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I think it's kadar to go back to uh really where today's do started and where the last uh two weeks played themselves out and that is to talk a little bit about traus related sug This is something that we spoke about briefly in the previous but he brings a sh that crossed his desk. There was a story with a young girl. She was working in the kitchen together with her mother. This is old school. There's live animals uh flying all over the place. She opened up the stomach of And there was a cat that was on the bottom of the was standing there. So knowing that this river is a little clumsy and something's going to fall to the ground and whatever is going to fall this was ready to eat. And the rea said that as she was going through this she couldn't find a heart in the her mother the owner of the said I think I'm pretty confident that there was a heart inside this but the heart fell to the ground and this cat that was ready to eat whatever was going to fall ate the heart. I'm telling you, I did not let anything slip out of my hands. In fact, the only thing that I gave the was the that's the spleen. But as it relates to the heart, I never gave the said that this was this was having the best day of its life. I mean until but it was doing incredibly well. It didn't look like it was suffering from any heart injury. And it didn't look like it was suffering from any ailment in the world. And while this was when it was in its prime was strong and healthy and it had all the strength, it ate and it drank. It walked and it jumped. You've never seen a like this. And this is the night. This is the best ever. But this said that when she was it didn't have a heart and says that before it crossed my desk this m came to the and they said that it's very simple because it doesn't have a is obviously and the said that the after they pass that it was came to me and said what is the status of this truth says the we're going to read the first paragraph inside all the people that said that this is if I'm making a mistake by the way count the puns it's to any person that has the heart of and has It's impossible for any to exist and no less for it to live in a healthy way. There's no the only way there could be is if you took you literally that second and to think that maybe because of some sort of lost it I mean it's possible for a heart to disintegrate but that would mean that the animal doesn't have a functional heart, which would mean it would look like it doesn't have a functional heart. It's inevitable that what must have happened was is that there must have been a heart. The heart must have fallen to the ground. And this uh this cat that was sitting there must have gotten a hold of it and that's why nobody was able to find out which by the way is what the mother said. She's pretty confident happened anyway and says even though this is something that's pretty obvious and doesn't require a however and lawyers he said but to silence the fools that jump and they sh without thinking through properly I'm forcing myself to do something that I really don't think is necessary but I'm going to write a chuva and I'm going to explain to you in the old classic Yiddish away. Why I believe that a gyas that supposedly did not have a heart is going to be kosher says the ra in hills and paricur he goes through a whole bunch of lists of uh tfus right we went through the mishnay and we went through all the gimaras 18 70 all the different numbers that you find in the world of traus you have all the different gimmaras and the fashid and the things that come out The Rambam never mentions anywhere that in the event that a animal doesn't have a heart, the animal is going to be a tra and the Mishna wonders out loud why that is the case and I'm going to tell you the reason is because any that if an animal didn't have it would be impossible for the animal to live even didn't feel necessary to talk about. So says the he says that the Rama never mentioned clearly with that the is going to be a problem and the reason he says the Rama never spoke it out was because it's not a [laughter] mean that it's not a so it's for that reason it's a exactly what I'm saying not only is it aishna It's also aesh the parishes the is talking about the versus all the says the we're closer than all the other nations because when created the world he made into the heart of the world. And therefore, our relationship to the other is the same as the relationship of the heart of a person versus all the other. And just like a person can't exist one second without a heart. So to the nations of the world can't exist for one second without a cla and then the kadesh goes further and he says that is the heart of the heart of the medino but alapon says that clasol is the heart of the umo just like it's impossible for a to survive one second without a heart to all the nations Christians of the world can survive without but the bottom line is said it's that says that a person cannot exist one second without a heart that was the in that was that the world can't exist without but the mush is what we need and that is a person can't exist without a heart and if a person can't exist without a heart it's an animal can't exist without a heart so that the whole concept that there was a teras that [laughter] didn't have a life and therefore you want to go ahead, you want to make it into a tra it's ridiculous, it's silly and it it's something that's so push it can't be true. In fact, said the it's went further. The said that even if you want to go so far as to say maybe there's a mitas of having a that doesn't have a but in a situation like this it's a pit that you're going to go and you're going to be make meaning you have two choices. You have one choice. You could say maybe this tangles had no le and you're going to assume that le is tra which is a fair assumption. But at the same time there's another possibility. Maybe it did have a le maybe it did have a le and the le fell and it was eaten by the cat. But says the if I'm right now faced with these two possibilities which possibility should trump says it's posh. It's a two places. One is the says until you know for sure that it had a proper once it has a proper it's until you know for sure that there was an issue that's a then once you an animal the animals unless you know for sure that there was an issue in a situation like this where I don't know what happened I don't know if this tuglas had no leave and I'm going to take uh assumption that it's possible to have such a thing which would render it tra but or maybe not maybe it had a leg but the lay fell and the cat ate it based on the test I'm going to assume that this is okay and by the way the emphasis is another that we learned together more recently in the of the said that if you have a that's a and it's a suffic if it was which is a problem suffic the Gmorra said and you see from there that when it comes to suffic that even if there's such a which there is and it's ridiculous but even if there is I WOULD TELL YOU THAT YOU would anyways be because you would assume based on the two possibilities that you're supposed to be it's a general rule of and when it comes to suffix which in this case by the way suffic there was no for sure YOU'RE GOING TO BE THAT'S THE OVER here and you're going to assume that's what happened I'm going to tell you another reason the other reason is there's a somebody goes over to his friend and says your wine became right he was watching the wine and he said the wine became yay he's not believed the reason he's not believed is is because it's not his wine and you have no to say about somebody else's thing that something happened to it so said this this girl that's working in the kitchen She only works here, right? It's not her neglas. Who's the balas? It's the mother. The mother owns it, but it's not the girl. And if that's the case, she has no neonus. So in a situation of she said, she said, the mother versus the daughter. The mother has nonus. The daughter doesn't have neon. It's like saying this where the is you're not going to be believed. So said that to me this whole shila is dead on arrival. And the reason is because the is something that's not physically possible. It's not something that said that stating that it doesn't seem like everyone is as convinced of this as I am. So it's for that reason I'm forced to write a cha here's my chuva. It's because the never mentioned as being a tra and the says the reason is because it's not possible. The only mention things that are possible if it was possible of course it be a TRA BUT IT'S NOT POSSIBLE AND we only mention things that are possible. that this is a that's built. It's a kadesh says that just like a person can't live without a wave. So to the world can't exist without ka. So you see you can't be a said without a besides we have a suffic [snorts] what might have happened over here it's that you're going to be because that's the more that's the way you were operate whenever you have fus like this and it's she said she said between the mother and the daughter the mother is the bum she has an ammon the daughter this is like with you have no and it's those four reasons said the this is the way it is and he fears and he says certainly when it comes to this it's impossible to even hear another but either way said it's a double this is the way it is now little did the know when he wrote this tru truva that this chuva was going to be marish. Now just to take a step back for one second and appreciate a little bit better why the is saying something controversial, right? It seems pretty straightforward. The reason is as follows. We have a whole list of traas one of the tra that I mentioned it's in the Mishna is that if the le has a puncture it makes it into a tra. There's a rule in that's brought over and over and over again and that is that any a where the is that if there's a ne it would be a tra if it's nit if it's removed it would certainly be a tra and the reason is nik means it's there it just has a puncture in it means the entire thing was removed which means that it's really that nik or nit is a tra again doesn't say the Mishna says but if so that really means that based on the Mishna you would think is a tra and it's and any is a so you sort of start with a started and that is that this is a tra because this the way it is came to and I know there's such a rule. I know there's a principle, but I'm telling you there's no such mits. Now, how do you know there's no such mitz? Who told you there's no such mits? What do you mean? I know cuz I know cuz it's common sense. Yeah, but you have a mafurish somewhere. Where is a mafurish? Where do you have mafurish that does no such thing? Is it a gar? We went through a maybe but it's not in the it's it's not. So Kamsi approached this truva and he said to me this whole thing is bizar it's bonkers this whole discussion you can't live A SECOND WITHOUT A HEART which by the way you can't live a second without a heart I mean a second you can live but a person can't live without art we know that it's cardiac arrest you can't live without art at some point that is the fact SO YOU CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT SAID I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT you have a rule I know but it can't apply to this because there is no such mas so said I don't even WANT TO WRITE A TRUTH I HAVE A I'M GOING TO WRITE A FILE AND BY THE way and get and it's part that this is going to be mut and it's part this is going to be when wrote this truth there was a firestorm the firestorm was not so much because of his as we're going to say the firestorm was because of the attitude that the kami had towards the and he said to me this question just doesn't make any sense This is a silly ridiculous question. It's ridiculous because a good can't live without a heart. It's common sense. And if that's what common sense dictates, this is the way it has to be. And this is why this created the tuml that it created. using this uh term loosely the was almost using science to be at least that was the perception until he says no I'm backing it up with the problem only wrote to in his own words and that's where the controversy was and that's why this got very excited because you're telling me it's common sense we don't this is not the way you didn't work we work with gamores and with the ramams and and with. So if you want to write a tru based on a we could duke it out that we have and we try to figure out what's going on. But to dismiss this question on arrival based on that YOU CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT A HEART AND IF YOU DID SOMETHING HAPPENED TO THE heart you'd be all and you'd be in this and this is the way wrote eight lines describing how this was mish living in Ghan. So he's going ahead and he's describing some utopian existence. Well, uh, it can't be that attitude of the that's what that's what ruffled some feathers, pun intended. And this created a firestorm that I don't think the saw coming. Now, just to appreciate this a little bit better. So the story took place in the year in the year 1709 when mam at that time the kamsi was the chief rabbi of Hamburg or for those that know he was the chief rabbi of the triplet community. The triplet community is known as Medinas Au alheav which is a Russia for alona hamburg and vansbach right there were some very very famous rabanum that were the rav of the triple community at that time the kahansi was the chief rabbi it's interesting however he had a partner he was the co-chief rabbi his partner was a yid by the name of raosha ratenberg the background is the previous chief rabbi of the triplet community was a yid by the name of mushul murus nimmer Mark he was the he had been the g of this very prominent city and when he passed away there was a whole to who should become the next rough a lot of people thought he definitely had the credentials and he was also there was a certain that his family had that was the previous to the extent that he's of which he obviously was made a lot of sense that he shouldn't be the next rabbi but there were a lot of people that didn't want and They prefer this and they ended up with some sort of where they said you're going to be the raw for 6 months and you're going to be the rough for 6 months. It was during this period when the is the for 6 months that he goes ahead and he writes this truva and it created a firestorm primarily amongst the people in the city that had not wanted him to be the RV in the first place. And he writes a chuva. We actually have this truvet survived and he writes And he's very angry at the's approach to this whole thing. And they started putting out Pashkavillin that you see we have this modern rabbi he based on science and based on rationale and he's not pasing based on which is like the Ram talks so much about where we don't care what happens is we focus 100% based on what is and it created this incredible incredible. It got to the point that they decided that they need ai to be mak and they send this shah this whole tuml to the chief rabbi of Prague another one of the very prominent cities at the time who was oppenheim and rebuffenheim sits down and he pens uh a chuva refers to it as a contress where he's addressing the shila that took place with regards to This within very strongly the way he he passed. Now this contress this chuva that was written by is printed in the chuv of it's in shish it's ina it's sim now if you take a look up he goes through the chapter and verse and he literally extrapolates every single aspect as it relates to the big picture said it's impossible for to live without a le why because science this is just uh the way it is. And if a panel had a lay but something had happened to it, it would look very weak and very it wouldn't be able to jump and eat and drink and do what a what a healthy panus is allowed to do. As it relates to the way the laid out the said, I'll be honest with you. I don't know anything about this. Who told you all this? How do you know? HOW DO YOU KNOW? What he says everything you're saying is 100% right. I don't know. You can't pos you can't be m a potential traer based on what you're saying. This is this is what you think I HEAR. I'M GOING TELL YOU IT'S not reasonable but this is what he says as it relates to this that which almost looks like it ends the conversation right ask the goes through all the tra he doesn't say what happens if the animal is missing a heart says the I'll tell you why only talks about things that ARE POSSIBLE IT'S NOT POSSIBLE for it to be missing a heart because it would die it would be unavailable would even be a tra and as a result it's for that reason the ra never mentioned it z It's true. You found them 100%. But there's one problem. The Mishna said this to be why the Ram didn't mention. The problem is if you look around in all the other as well AND THE DIDN'T SAY the Mishna they said different and he said if that's the case then you have all these different uh that are mentioned why it is that wouldn't be a tra. So I don't know. I I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT HOW COME NOBODY ELSE SAID IT? AND IF THAT'S the case in the words in the words of I think the cast of Mishna is a AND IF HE'S A YOU CAN'T GO YOU CAN'T GO OUT of like such a considering the fact that from other it's actually very just to bring out he said more than that he said I found in certain where it's such for says the and he found other show him a rush that sounds like that where it's they were working with the mas they're entertaining it not like so he says it's very nice what he said but as far as I'm concerned and being that it's a I don't know if you could tell it so then he said something very interesting thing he said we know the rules when it comes to tus that yes there is so if you have two of something it's as if you don't have it at all and he says I found in the of the on the side this is from a whose name was and he says as follows I saw he says now if there is then if there's no of there shouldn't be a mitz and refit. So because of this and other similar shas he said I hear the I can't dingle with the but it's and you can't go out you can't like this is not something that you're allowed to do as relates to the so first of all said but desire is not meant to be taken you have to know how to learn a you can't just stop being is based on and he goes and he says of what he thinks that means it doesn't mean what the he thought he meant and for sure you can't connected all the based on a a lion in desire where you don't know for sure right this is a mush in desire you don't know 100% sure what desire means but he said besides desire is talking about a person so a person just like a person can't live for one second without a heart so too the world can't exist without clay we know we spoke this out mamish the first day we learned traus that says right in the beginning Tom says it really in other places in as well that there's anime between the and the be and just because something is a for doesn't necessarily mean it's a trad because and therefore you can't tell. So he SAYS BESIDES YOU FOUND a that's discussing just because it's discussing that's the way it would be by as well. So upheim writes this letter and he says I disagree how to learn and it's not and for that we have at the beginning of I don't think it's a as it relates to as it relates to that this girl shouldn't even be men because she's not the bias. It's like somebody says that's not a because says so you see that we don't look at the daughter as like some strange person no she's SHE'S PART OF THE family literally and figuratively she's considered a ban that's not like a random person that says it's he found different place in where we work with this that we look at a as being a Bible. So to me it's not posh at all what you're saying that you wouldn't trust the stating that there already I agree said I agree with the but I'm going to tell you what I don't agree with I don't agree with his that it's impossible for a tag to live without a le and if something happened to the le it would look so deathly ill and wouldn't be able to operate and function the way a healthy can function that's where you got that from it's not the way we go about it's not the way we that's something that I don't believe is talking about it's not talking about the is not a strange person she's a girl called however as it relates to that is something that I agree and that is something that's going to be okay. Fast forward three years later, the kamsi published his shuvi his magnumopus and when he published his shuvasi he printed the original chuva that he had written in 1709 3 years earlier. Additionally, he printed another chuva. And this chuva was a much much longer chuv. We almost read verbatim the entire first chuva. We left out two or three paragraphs. But this chuva was much longer. It's 15 columns long. And the purpose of that chuva was addressing up. So David Upenheim wrote sort of a rebuttal on the chuva. And when the published his he incorporated in it a rebuttal on Oppenheim's rebuttal and he went through all the points. Now obviously we're not going to go through 17 columns but just to get a little bit of a feel for what's going on as it relates to the writes thank you for the compliment says I appreciate that that's so kind of you. He says, you know, I don't know for sure, but I'm assuming you mean what says, if you take a look at the over there says, thank you. Thank you. I got I started reading this. I was getting excited. Thank you so much for the compliment. I appreciate it very very much. You probably thought I knew that. So, thank you. But thank you. I preached again as it relates to the Mishna being said, I don't think you have a that said, unless you find me somebody that says there's a where you could have a girl, you have nothing. The fact that somebody else answered the kash a different way was up to me. Maybe he added different ter and by the way the nit is not the only nipple that's not mentioned in kazali and there's others as well and some OF THOSE THE ANIMAL COULD live without. So you would have to say a different ter goes through this chapter and verse. SO I WANT TO TELL YOU A ONE-SIZE terrorist that fits all. If the sugu was if the were talking about is it possible to have a girls believe said the I believe every single person in the world would say it's NOT POSSIBLE. YOU WANT to know why they didn't answer this KATCHA THAT WAY? I DON'T KNOW. IT'S A KASHA THAT THEY'RE ANSWERING. I don't know. They they you don't have to answer it that way. I'm the something that's not is not mentioned. That's something that Mishna said as a mahal to answer the Rambam. It's not however maf and the fact that didn't say that that they would disagree with the WHOLE PREMISE AND THE COULD BE THEY JUST HAD a terrorist that answered more questions [laughter] and that's why they preferred to go in that other direction. He said you're telling me yes there is dummy. Yes dummy doesn't mean bimitus. And here he says something interesting. He says that I was my in this and by the way in this truth itself he has half the truth is on this topic where anytime you say something is like that right with a doesn't mean it's like that this is the right is literally the by the way it's interesting because on the whole there's a few but one of the is the regarding the which you know these two are in the conversation of the two most famous truas of the but either way there is about he's talking about the it's funny how they both feature prominently in both truths. But the bottom line is he said this it's JUST LIKE A BUT ONE is why can't you have two hearts two other you know you're really pumping as opposed to if you don't have any heart well then you have an issue right then you're not pumping at all he said that whole from a mit standpoint the is not something that faces me he says it relates to the zy you're telling me that zy you have to know how to learn the zy the zy is not meant to be taken literally the goes on and he lectures upenheim He literally lectures in this exactly what means. Right? Listen to one line. FOR this isight of you cannot just go ahead and be right this is but you can't just go ahead AND BE THEN HE SAYS there are times you could and he quotes from and but it's fascinating what's going on over there but he says that's not he said you said this that's talking about the in a person what does it have to do with the of a didn't say yeah said you know what he said if something's a by beh but if something's a traif when it comes to a when it comes to uh as it relates to the daughter of the mother whether she's considered a balas or not so what David Oppenheim sayenheim said that said in when I give you something to watch. I know your child might watch it also because sometimes you need an extra hand and someone's going to help you but it doesn't mean they're a bin they have a they have a migu as it relates to the either ways wrote a long long rebuttal on the rebuttal of the initial doesn't end there that year 1712 when the was printed so you know where this is going upheim got a hold of the now if you know anything about you have to know this right he was the rubbing prague before the night but he's also very very famous because he had the largest library in Europe. He was a usher mlik. He was a modern day example of Abdullah and he invested tremendously in a library. He had he had access to things that nobody in the world had. There's books that have been written on the library of most of it I think survived. It's in museums around the world. But the bottom line libraries we have today I think a good chunk of it. But the bottom line is uphean's library was very famous and he was a big sperm collector and obviously the safer was something he had and he looks at the cha and his uh response now doesn't mention upheim but upheanim knew exactly what he was referring to and he's sat down and he writes a rebuttal on the rebuttal under rebuttal right I think that's who we're holding now and he goes ahead and he writes another chuva this chuva is printed in shuvit giml there's a third volume it's printed in shuva gimmel it's in sim Gimmel and this is pages long. This is the first one was a little long. This one is very very very very long. But I'll just tell you one postcript that he writes. He says as follows. You know we had this this whole debate happened a couple years ago, right? It happened in 1709. Now it's 1713 by the time he gets it. It's tough. And he says, you know, when I wrote the I never seen the no one had ever come to me. There's no hard in the is it a is it not a however in the year it happened to me three times in a very short period of time and he goes on and he says all three times that it happened. He says once it happened but it happened onesh they brought a said I happen to have not been there but were there and they had there was a that didn't have a skipping to the second one. It came from the house of Mendel the fedler. Right. So this came from [laughter] Mendel who was the clemer. Look how copious he was with the way he wrote it. And I said it's a tradeful on a Friday same year. They brought to me right who also lived IN PRAGUE. I don't know the difference between listen to what I said. All the years that I've been a rabbi, I have this incredible that I wrote about in my previous who said the bottom line is this is what responded. So again we have a very interesting sha Medina the of the based on the you would think but said no such and he didn't want to hear from it and even the tru that he wrote in his own words he said it's the only reason I'm writing it but really it makes no sense because the can't live without a nobody can live without a you need the heart to pump blood that brings oxygen and nutrients to the different avar of the body so that the body is able to survive. And he said if a person would have some heart failure to the point where you wouldn't be able to see the heart, something physically would have happened to it. Well then the animal would look very sickly and that's not what happened in all these cases. And based on that said that this is for sure going to be an issue. It created a firestorm because it felt a little bit like science overall. felt like the was being a little too rational and a little not sensitive enough to the what you would think should be the outcome if you look at the even though the backed it up with a tru but that wasn't even the point that that wasn't even the point that wasn't even the point and by the way just appreciate this a little bit better what's the between the approach versus what because everybody seemed to think that in this case was that the was going to be mutter. But it was only because the other side that the tarnas had a heart and that the cat ate the homework, right? The cat ate the heart. That seemed to be the more reasonable side of what happened over here. But in the cases of his three stories where there was no other side. There was NO CAT. THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE THAT YOU COULD SAY IN THOSE CASES. That's where right as much as nobody's fighting with because everybody agrees MAYBE EVEN SAY THAT'S in mitigating factors in that story. But what would be in a regular case? What would be in a case where you don't have those mitigating factors? That's where they came out guns blazing. It's not the case, but it is a huge the is not it's what underlies the it's starting to you know face science and and say one second you have to be a little bit rational there's no such mas and if there's no such mas that should that should impact but there's a there was another there was there was there was there's a postcript to this story there's a fascinating postcript to this story the postcript to this story is And uh Morides on this postcript I don't know if you see this coming was the great Rau Margolus Ru Margolus wrote a uh an article on this uh Tagulus Bv where he goes through the in fills in some of the rest of the story. Some of the rest of the story is is that after this whole tuml broke out with this tarnless, things got so uncomfortable for the and people sided with his partner Ra Mosha Rottenberg over him that the had to leave his position and the Kamsi ultimately went to Amsterdam. He lived another few years after that but he had been this uh co-rov for three years but because of this story he was forced to leave. This was something that made a tremendous tremendous Russia. And I was going through this uh chuva or this letter that was written by Rau Margolus. The first thing Marggo says and this by the way is a classic example where in my opinion ruag just doesn't get enough credit because you know we [snorts] went through the truv from the and the second chuva the second chuva the longer chuva he's responding to somebody right who's he responding doesn't tell you he's responding to but we we told you he's responding to he's responding to the he's responding to David up how do you know he's responding to upan what do you mean open up the there's a whole sh of yeah but how do we know that how do we know that I don't Oh, but tell me the know that, right? Everyone knows today. If you know the s you look into it for one minute, you're going to know this. You know, everybody knows that it was up and everybody knows was the one who told us that. You know why? Because shish remained in manuscript until 1972. So before 1972, even if you wanted to know it, you couldn't have known it. It was sitting in a manuscript. Now the manuscript was sitting in the Ram library in Tel Aviv where Rau famously was the librarian and he writes that I know who the WAS CUZ I HAVE he had a photographic memory he saw it once probably and it's clear that in the second he's addressing HIM AND THERE'S A WAY WHERE HE'S ADDRESSING HIM BACK. SO HE WAS THE ONE WHO was so just in general you want his contribution to the story of the he's the one who told us no one else knew this it was printed by there was one printing of the initial to get myself get my hands on it was printed 1972 I think 75 82 I don't think it's been printed since then don't even try finding it but the bottom line is is that he was the one who was Mgalatas that the one talking and learning with the was was the great ribbenheim. One of the anecdotes that he throws in is he says that you know everybody was giving the a very very hard time. They were giving a hard time because they said that he was it's often where it's you can't tell me there's no such thing. It's somebody would have to say can't say that. He said it's interesting to know says who said he said everybody was giving the a hard time. was said I heard from my father you're not ready to be a unless you could be this classic but then says something else he says something else and we're going to end with this and that is there was another great guy that chimed into this whole uh discussion and this was the great rebutt and this is printed in uh in crazy it's in sim men it's in uh cif over there brings this trua the great and he says that he went through the chua and he says he said I couldn't drink this because it was in fact he said it started off good but it ended up m and he says that listen to this said that something that scientifically we know one way is not budgeible and you could stand on your head I'm not I'm there's no such thing as the time of every person that has a knows this. He said THE FACT THAT HE DID THAT IS NOT RIGHT. He said in that's the APPROACH IN WE HAVE APPROACH OF something in you CAN HAVE 100 THAT SAY I DON'T care and is based on but to turn something scientific and rational and to bring it to that LEVEL SAYS IF I saw the I would say so you can't say that he was and he goes on and he talks about the vulnerability of science. He says you're going to be impressed with science. He says think about Aristotle the Ram wrote about Aristotle right everybody was so impressed with him today Aristotle science is beta this is this is what writes he said does everybody knows it's it's worthless today nobody believe Aristotle believe today the k believe in the big bang theory that did have a he says science what was considered medicine 100 years ago today is primitive says you spoke from what science and WHAT RAT THE ONLY THING WE SPOKE FROM IS THE THAT'S THE ONLY THING AND to take science and to elevate it to that level that's not okay and it's it's 100% there and he said that of the he was by the way he said but the I'm not okay with but then at the end of this the end of the says stating that it's it's it's so amazing how he pivots there he says I decided I want to hear what the scientific community actually has to say so he writes that I sent a response a response sent a chuva a shil of some sorts to the roen in the hali. So I looked this up. So apparently there was a very prominent university in Prague at the time. Urban lived in Prague. There was a very prominent uh university in Prague that was called the Hal or the Holly University. H A L L E H I think. But the Hal University. And um from my research I found that this was the only medical university in that area that accepted Jews. It's for sure what Reenison is referring to. Anderson sends this letter to the universal whatever exactly it is. And he asks him to shil is it possible to have a that can function operate and not have a heart. Is there such a mitz? This is what they wrote back. They wrote back it's impossible not to have a heart. The heart plays a critical role and it's an impath [laughter] not to have a heart. Stating that you don't have to have a heart proper. A person can have another apher that mimics what the heart does. So it's going to pump blood if they even knew that's what the heart does at the time. And it's going to do whatever the heart is supposed to do, but it's not the heart. It's going to be an a that's going to operate like a heart. So you know what I learned from these doctors? You know what I learned from them? I learned from them that was right a little bit. YOU CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT THE FUNCTION OF THE HEART. But it's possible to live without A HEART. AND IT'S POSH. IF NIK IS a tra then has to be a tra that's for SURE GOING TO BE SAID IT CAN'T BE SOMETHING HAPPENED. IT'S not true. There was no wave like the three MIS FROM ABDEN. THERE WAS ANOTHER a that mimicked the heart and it was doing what the heart is supposed to be and said you see from here. So you see how carefully you have to when you come to and wrote such a even after everything he but you see the doctors told him that he had made a mistake. Now I don't know these doctors where they studied medical school is out of my perfume. I'm not sure what's going on in all these stories but the bottom line is this what he tells him he tells him that uh it's not possible and you see from here Margolus says where did come to this story now crazy doing a little uh Jewish history I think was printed for the first time in 1756 this story took place years earlier you [snorts] see was busy with this misa in real time when this all took place at the time says molas had to be less than 20 years old he was a bak where he come to the Shiloh says I'm going to tell you how he came to the Shiloh because one of the people that sent the question he was actually trying to get some support from was his right there were two ramshes not [snorts] but uh the other Ramsh he's the pirisha was a mik of the piras in Prague so sends a shil to the piras he tells him I'm dealing with this mess I got myself into a controversy you're you're a big r help me out over here. I need I need my mkin to come to my defense. Not like the behud of hamburger, right? Which is also a hamburg. But he says, "Now I need you to defend me a little bit. I need you to come to my defense." So uh the panas comes and he delves into the sha and he has a muik who's this great this great I mean the incredible yeah how big was the writes and that he was working on and they printed the tum and he said you know I didn't even know what I why am I putting out he said no so whatever I was to the tum I left that I'm just writing on the tumim you know the tumim was and the tumim the crazy so he sits down and he starts investigating it and he got very very involved in the Shiloh to the point that he went to this JESUIT COLLEGE LITERALLY went and he asked them he wanted to hear what they had some Jews learning there but whatever he wanted to hear from them what exactly is going on and then years later it gets printed in the crazy place but he had been busy with this Shila 40 plus years earlier when the whole thing happened in real time Ru Margol said again this this investigative work owner Margar said I have a friend calls him by name let's uh mention the name his name ish Farber at the time it was now it's he was in London and um he got for me he sent me a picture from the British library of Rabyakov Mden's copy of the crazy place it's getting interesting of Rabakov's copy of the crazy placing and I saw on the side of this piece Rabak Emd writes that was at the time that my father wrote this chuva and it was something that he made up his mind that he was going to be the one to sort of be the one to be of and it was to be and he felt that that was something that he was going to do. So my goal is this little footnote over here which is shar it's shar it's shar it's very shariff but this little footnote in crazy is is really the rest of the story this is 45 years later but really in real time when the whole tuml happened a tommo that ultimately caused the to lose his position of the great kahila in Hamburg which by the way may have likely caused yakabden to also lose his position because thinking out loud said that if the was the rov And then it was the there's no questions had a son of Jacob who was there was no question in the world that he could have he could have been the next but what caused this whole thing to to fall apart which was the truth of the it seems like a big words a young was and you see that he went to the doctors and he was the one that ultimately came up with the caused the feet to have to leave his position and then he says This whole story contributed a little bit to the great again we have to understand this was history has proven if anything right that they're both on Mount Rashmore both of them both of them I mean who could be between these two but that the seeds of this had a little something to do with the way ultimately caused the to lose his position which might have even caused em to lose his position. And then in what I think is a top 10 line of all time says Ruven Margolles that I believe that really the story of the Tanas which seemed like a little innocent chuva ultimately goes down as something that may have caused incredible division and ripple effect in Europe depending on if how far you want to go with this theory. It might have been to the level of and he says I think you could say regarding this this innocent Nega [snorts] Tormala.