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arrayed by cli
as it pertains to the sug of esp.
So the Mishna in the beginning of the
paric after it introduced the basic idea
of
said
how does play itself out and the Mishna
went and gave 12 different scenarios
juggling cases
where the animals were kench
where the happenim
meaning in the azara or outside of the
azara and what would be in each one of
these cases. The first of the 12 cases
was the most obvious and the simplest
said
in the event that both of these animals
were and both took place. So
both of these animals are going to be
kasha meaning you'll be allowed to eat
the meat of these animals.
And as it relates to the second one,
you're going to be this is the classic
case of as it relates to very very
straightforward. This is not
it's not
it's in somebody goes and heck two
animals that are
you want to eat the meat of the animal.
You're allowed to eat the meat of the
animal. However, the second person who
did the he's going to get malus for what
it is that he did.
says
being that in the course of the Mishna
is going to mention in the other 11
cases times where if you an animal in a
scenario of the meat of the animal is
going to be possible. [snorts] So it's
for that reason we mentioned in the
first in other words was bothered. Why
does the mission say
why would you think they're not kosher?
What would be a sa to say it's not? Of
course the meat is kosher. It's true
this second person was he was but why
would you think that the meat should be
suddenly
there's no reason in the world that you
would think it there is no at all to
even suggest something like this. If
that's the case, why did the Mishna say
his name? The reason the Mishna say is
because the Mishna is going to mention a
lot of cases where the meat is going to
be ple
there's be a lot of cases where there's
going to be so we're going to mention
cases where the meat is going to be. So
we mention over here we state the
obvious that this meat is going to be
which is really to the but
says I respectfully disagree. [snorts]
The reason the Mishna said
I could have had
that maybe the second one should be
brings from
that says
and we learn from there that anything
that was anyer that came about
that's the case
It's partning
that for whatever reason that of doesn't
apply and therefore the meat is going to
be
that he said
there's no it's all mentioned I disagree
there is a is the
not going to be over now even according
to this something that's being mentioned
because the
so the second one is you don't say but
once I needed to say that the second one
is so I'm going to say only the shi is
that's not true the first one's also so
it's for that reason the Mishna went
ahead and the said
so there's a that it says on the bann is
it was written by one of the and he
brings printed in over here
that he heard from his a different to
explain what the is why you would have
thought that if somebody
maybe it's going to be okay and it's
based on a well-known in the first
it's
this is
Like the
this is a global which comes up in the
world of raid literally
anytime the says you're not let it do
something if you go ahead and you do it
anyways
so said that are both mooching what's
the
if somebody
it's
it because the second person that went
ahead and he was over.
So I would have thought that
the would say is not a
that it's going to be. Now there's a
longer version of this which ties into
that we spoke about in the beginning of
the
Why don't you sayful
in this? It's a very good in light of
that we spoke about in this already. But
the bottom line is has a second mahal to
explain why it is that you would think
that maybe if someone's
based on the
in other words
the whole thing was mentioned
and are both no it's not so
in the of the second animal that you
would have thought maybe the boss is
going to be puzzled. said based on
it's a lab in the
said based on the of
stating that take a look at the Rambam
and the Ram is right in the beginning of
days of that's where the Ram discusses
the laws of
if somebody
is going to
It's only the second person that gets
malus
the in
brings
and the in on the says that from the way
the Rambam presented the it sounds a
little bit like the Rambam held that
there's
in the fact that if someone checks
the or the is going to be now says the I
know Rashi already discussed this but
from the
I think I see a little bit more because
the Rambam says
[snorts] the Rambam doesn't say the Ber
of the shiest
the says
sounds like all of the boss the sheni
and it sounds a little bit says the bach
that the raam holds that there's some
over here that I need to tell you that
not only is the boss of the shi going to
be but the boss of the is also going to
be and says to me this is a good in
other words we spoke out that was in the
noishes at all in the fact that if
somebody
unless there was
that why would you think
Even though the mission s was only
mentioned even that went ahead and said
no there's a said
that is
but that should be that the bus of the
and by the way even
that's all in THE SHI WHERE YOU ARE BUT
THE which was done there's no in the
world that that should somehow be that I
would need to TELL YOU IT'S THE B SAW IN
THE RAM very subtle that the Ram SAYS
HE DIDN'T SAY the he said the which
sounds like all the bosses and the
wonders out loud is the ra trying to
tell me that there's a
says it's that this is not a and the is
probably just quoting the
and the tour is quoting the just quoting
everybody but the b the tour is quoting
the ra was quoting so the bottom Point
is it could be there isn't such a to be
had and whatever and the mission is
that's going to be in the
mas a little bit sounds like
in the
of how the ra should have presented this
he felt that there was a little bit of a
de here and if that's the case it's
definitely something worth exploring a
little bit is there to say that I could
have had a in the world of not only the
buser of the second animal that I shed
should be motor but maybe there's even
aish that the boss of the first one is
motor as well I saw in the mish that's
from summer gar and this is in
periclamid he has a whole perk on
the lundus of understanding
and as he speaks out there it's that
once you come to to understanding a
little better Columbus how espano works.
It would be a little bit of a shot in
the
and really a completely new albeit
simple a in this
as it relates to the love of what is the
using that word very very uh
specifically
of the is the of the iser that when you
the mother now the says the child
becomes
Or when you check the child now the
mother becomes the
as if to say that when a person is
the ising [laughter]
the child after you shock the mother the
ising the after you shed the child
[laughter]
of the
don't shack the mother and the child. It
just so happens that if you only shack
the mother, then it's not in play yet to
have the isser. Or if you did shack the
mother, then it's not in play yet TO SAY
DON'T SH THIS because uh I'm allowed to
sh this. It's only once I check this
that I'm not allowed to check that. But
the point is that when somebody goes
ahead and checks
the he did was not just that HE IS THAT
HE DID was that he
what's the is
or the is
it plays itself out the same way it's
only this it plays itself out that after
you not let and by the way only the
person that is going to get malus we're
not debating that BUT THE QUESTION IS
what is the
What's the what's the gather of the
iser? Pick your cliche. Pick your
cinema. What is the IS
the truth is from the
it sounds a little bit like the iso.
It doesn't say don't after you the
proverbial
is
which sounds like is included part and
parcel of the of the in as much as is
included and is part and parcel of
[laughter] but this is a very basic in
the world of is the not after or is the
So
said I'll bring you
that is not just
after
but that the is
just mention a few in the
needed a to teach me that the is true if
the same person
and if one person shed and another
person.
Why would you think that the only time
there's an
is
now? But if you
what's
that once was now becomes so nobody
should be allowed to if you go into the
time of the of the
and the again there's no what should be
the whether one person did both or if
two people but if you're going to tell
me that the of the
that one person is not let her go ahead
and that you're not let go ahead and
check then to say that the only time
this is is going to be TRUE IS IF I ONE
PERSON DID THE WHOLE because if
so there would have been that you need
one person to go ahead and but if two
people are going to there's going to be
no way in the world there's going to be
no way in the world to go ahead and make
us from the fact that we need a limu to
tell me that the only that there's an
even if one person and the other person
that's a
very
that IS
therefore you would have thought that
one person has to do the complete but
one person with and the other person
with each person is doing a half plus a
half in this world is not going to be to
a whole
second
or a second. There's a big discussion in
the if somebody goes and he
is he going to be
or not the
brings from we spoke a lot about last
week the
days of that's where the
ra says
why because
the if you're going to tell me that it's
or that there's no problem when the
happens so why even have to
and he's coming to be you don't have to
worry about
when the mother that is so it's one
[laughter] that as it relates it's true
whether it happened or it happened
if you're going to tell me that
of iso
and meaning is part and parcel of the
just like Benoy is. So it makes sense if
I did if I did. But if is really not in
the is after IF I
NEVER BECAME
when did IT BECOMES
IT only becomes after I
now the truth is the truth is this is
really to in a of
right this would be a good example of
that because I wouldn't be able to act
one after the other. So if that's the
case
but there's a big on this it's not
punishment that you always say
so
from the fact that you see that from the
is that if you're going to go ahead and
you're going to you're going to
it would be included it's probably
because the iso
it's not that It's only the becomes and
that the becomes.
So for that reason
it was
there's another
that bring and that's from today's
daf the whole second half of the daf the
fun part of today's daf discuss and the
mishna and the which rashi says is
really
but we'll mention the second mention of
sumas in the mishna in the event that
somebody went ahead and checked it a
grandmother and then a granddaughter and
then afterwards went ahead and checked
the mother
you only like according to you're going
to be like
had a very in fact it's
the
holds
so that although in the case of the
Mishna there was only one but at the
same time it's no different than one
of where the is that you're going to
They all ask
they all ask the same and that
[laughter] is I don't understand
in the case where a person a two again
this goes to the core of understanding a
little bit of the lumbness of today's If
somebody eats two zim or if somebody
would eat two zim and it was done with
one he did two a he did two a he ate
this kazayas he ate that kaz there were
two of a that he did being that there's
two of a that he did this to say you
should get malus twice the was one good
BUT THE TWO WHAT ARE THE TWO I ate
ate that in the case of IN'S CASE YOU
SHED ONE HOW YOU twice
there's one
that you did you did one THERE'S TWO
THAT'S like very
comes with this massive
Over
there you ate two over here. All you did
was youed one animal.
That's true. If the of the
is it's just the second animal that you
shed. SO IF THAT IS what the of the is I
sheded one animal one animal I hear it's
a good how could I be two malus one
animal either with two. Who cares? I
still shed one animal. But I love this.
If the way works is that when I
was and when I also did an A THAT'S PART
AND PARCEL of the goof a THEN IT'S PART
CUZ WHEN I GO AHEAD and I the mother
comes out I'M DOING TWO SETS OF a now
with gloss the baba and the mother was
an aa and now with gla that the mother
and the an was an aa we're If the two
is in the glory of a then now the
grandmother and the granddaughter were
also my if however nothing is being in
the grandmother and the granddaughter
then not included in the of the so all I
did was oneita on the mother one on the
mother is less than
over THERE AT LEAST I OVER HERE I DIDN'T
EVEN NEED to and the truth is just from
the that calls it right had it
throughout
That is an element of says it's two of
but now the iser it's not just two oh
this this mother is
of the grandmother and of the
granddaughter when you this mother now
there's a of grandmother mother and
there's a of mother and granddaughter
it's actually
it's not just two that's what learns
it's more than two it's
But the bottom line is this of
that is not only in the but it's also in
the this is the of understanding the
lumbus a lot better
over here in today's
another
right here in the
he asks he asks that why is it Mishna
said that if somebody would go ahead
Somebody would check
the grandmother and then the
granddaughter and then he would check
the mother. So what's the is that
according to you're only going to be but
according to you're
why don't we say
on the second
bomb when you did the grandmother first
the daughter became there's an
now you're going to go ahead you're
going to the granddaughter so what do
you want that the other should be
because
it's
much right here in the with this
in the back. So there's a whole list of
uh
so he brings a ter that he heard from
the sonashikam
asks this and the of the famous
his son wrote a on his father and who
was
and he said he said if you're going to
tell me that the way works is the is
only on the that's what the is telling
you don't do if you now don't go ahead
and the is the so then it's a
became when you so how's it becoming
again when you went ahead and you but if
the
don't go ahead and
the was not AFTER YOU WHEN YOU WOKE UP
IN THE MORNING THERE WAS
Don't this and don't that there was no
one that was before the other
if the is only not that is first AFTER
BUT the is on and on when's that WHEN
YOU HAVE AN SECOND when this was little
at that POINT IT WAS
DOESN'T PASS now to go ahead and to
The bottom line is the bottom line is if
you go through and this
from
he brings this is all from
where they all
and that is that is like it's not that
it's no is
and really the is on in as much as it is
now in the world of how the the how the
malus plays itself out. It's only the
second one that gets malus. Like the ram
says
when it comes to the malus, it's only
the that's going to get malus. But as it
relates to the as it relates to the gufa
is the is true for the
is true for the shen as well. But the
bottom line is
the Mishna said that if somebody
says it's
the rest of the you're going to have a
bunch of cases where there's going to be
so that's why we mentioned over here
says no you don't have to say that
there's a is that the sheni is why would
you have thought the sheni is possible
it's because you would have thought you
would have thought that maybe
so that you're not going to have an is
Now the first one that's only mentioned
but we mentioned but we mentioned that
the wasma
the boss of the
what's the
might but what's the
we mentioned earlier where said that you
could say of why
because
even
still it's going to be good. And if
you're going to neblund that the is OF
AFTER YOU the sheni is not only on the
sheni it's on the also the sheni is the
ONLY ONE THAT'S BUT as relates to the is
the
then there's mim to say that if you
would hold
once you even the shoulder because THE
IS TRUE FOR ANYTHING THAT'S INCLUDED in
the and the is true for the and it's
true for the shi as well.
Not only the shi is the is they're all
why would you have thought the and the
are both possible because I would have
thought
and that's what the rama was coming to
say
even though
are included in the what the said
so both of them were in violation now
All the are only on the sh because he
can't punish the guy when that did the
re was can't get punished for the but
that was part of this
and if that's the case I would have
thought maybe
that for whatever reason we don't say
that's the name
based on
and taking the one that seems to be the
and the rash as relates to the
in the O sayite.