בשעה שעלה משה למרום

we said that we would try to come back to the Haftorah of base specifically the Gamorah that discusses So much of a vein that goes up to Shemayim to be covered with Torah and he sees who is sitting Kaviakho and he's tying crowns to the of the Torah. I'm on the phone of so much of a vein that told the Rebono Shel Olam why are you doing this? To me they don't make any sense. Is there someone that has a donor in them that's going to maybe send them at some point and it's for that reason that you're creating them? I'm a lawyer who said yes. Adam shall also be saved by Akiva ben Yosef shall also be saved by killing killing shall also be saved by killing killing shall also be saved Akiva ben Yosef said why don't you sit in his chair? So all of a sudden gets transfixed. He suddenly transplanted I think is the right word into this other world where he's sitting in the chair of Akiva ben Yosef. He's eight rows in the back and he sees Akiva and he has because he has no idea he doesn't really understand what's going on and he doesn't know what to make of it and then all of a sudden somebody asks a question and Akiva ben Yosef says Oh that it's my favorite I said that and all of a sudden he's okay and then Akiva ben Yosef goes to Akiva ben Yosef and he says I understand if you have somebody on this level so why are you giving the Torah through me? I want the Torah to be given through you. He says This great person can I see what reward he's going to get in the next world? So Akiva ben Yosef said sure and then all of a sudden again he's transplanted into a Roman and he sees how some Roman person butcher is selling the flesh of Akiva because he had just been tortured to death and Akiva ben Yosef says and Akiva ben Yosef told him strike Akiva ben Yosef two hours as it relates to this Gamorah. The first order is Akiva ben Yosef of base of base. So Akiva ben Yosef went up to Shemayim. When did this happen? When did Akiva ben Yosef go up to Shemayim? Now obviously it was to be covered with Torah right? But more precisely when did Akiva ben Yosef go up to Shemayim? To be covered with Torah. I think if you'd ask the man on the street don't have to think just I want an instant response. He would say What do you mean? Akiva ben Yosef of base of base. By the way this ties into the year of and base of base when was Akiva ben Yosef on behalf of who was Akiva ben Yosef then there was that was disseminated that Akiva ben Yosef went to Shemayim for 40 days and 40 nights and that's when this happened. So when Akiva ben Yosef went up to Shemayim for 40 days and 40 nights it's then that he had this visual where he sees Akiva ben Yosef that's where he gets to meet the great Akiva who's going to live and it's then that this Gamorah took place. There's another Gamorah that discusses Akiva ben Yosef that Gamorah believe it or not is even more famous than this Gamorah. That Gamorah is of base in the of Akiva ben Yosef I'm Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef said Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef went up to Shemayim to be covered with Torah I'm Akiva ben Yosef said Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef why is there a human being up here in Shemayim? I'm Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef told him he came to be covered with Torah I'm Akiva ben Yosef said Akiva ben Yosef told Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef This very very precious treasure that's been hidden by you for 974 days before Akiva ben Yosef are we hearing right? You're taking this and you're giving it to Akiva ben Yosef don't you know how vulnerable and how mortal humans are? They don't deserve the Torah. Akiva ben Yosef the more proper proper place for the Torah to reside is up around Shemayim. very strong Akiva ben Yosef I think you owe them a response to say good Akiva ben Yosef you should take the Torah. I'm Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef said Akiva ben Yosef I don't know they're like spewing fire. I'm very afraid of them. I'm I'm afraid to talk to them. I'm Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef hold on to my Akiva ben Yosef and Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef turns to Akiva ben Yosef and he goes to work. He says Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef this Torah that you're giving me now what does it say in the Torah? So Akiva ben Yosef said I'll tell you what it says Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef now turns to Akiva ben Yosef. He says Akiva ben Yosef you have no to the Torah. Think about it. The first verse of Akiva ben Yosef is something that you have no to because you were never Akiva ben Yosef. Akiva ben Yosef now again turns his attention to Akiva ben Yosef and he says Akiva ben Yosef master of the world what else does it say in your holy Torah? So Akiva ben Yosef said Akiva ben Yosef So Akiva ben Yosef again turns to Akiva ben Yosef and he says what do you live amongst the nations? Akiva ben Yosef that they're that you would need a commandment that says Akiva ben Yosef again turns to Akiva ben Yosef and says what else does it say? Akiva ben Yosef so Akiva ben Yosef turns to Akiva ben Yosef do you work ever? Akiva ben Yosef that you need a Akiva ben Yosef it says this is Akiva ben Yosef do you do business that we have to be afraid that you may swear in using God's name in vain? He said Akiva ben Yosef so Akiva ben Yosef turns to Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef do you have a father and a mother? Akiva ben Yosef do you have jealousy that leads to all these things? Either way Akiva ben Yosef after Akiva ben Yosef lawyered up this case in the most incredible magnificent way. Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef and at that point they didn't say anymore because they admit they agreed that really the Torah belongs by the Adam. So this is another Gamorah that also discusses Akiva ben Yosef. So let's ask the question again. When did this Gamorah happen? This Akiva ben Yosef when did this take place? I think if you ask the man on the street again he doesn't think his instinctive knee jerk reaction's going to be it happened before Torah. Certainly sounds like it happened before Torah because Akiva ben Yosef turned to Akiva ben Yosef and they say why is there a a human being over here? Akiva ben Yosef he came to be covered with Torah before the Akiva ben Yosef he came to be covered with Torah and they're standing he says what you're going to give the Torah to Akiva ben Yosef? What Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef wasn't given yet Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef I mean I think it's that the most correlation of this Gamorah is that it happened before Torah. Which is interesting because Akiva ben Yosef happened after Torah I think and this Gamorah here in Akiva ben Yosef happened before Torah. They what's even a little more interesting is the Gamorah here continues and brings other memories of Akiva ben Yosef said took place Akiva ben Yosef one of them is a very abridged version of the Gamorah of base. Feels a little bit from the location location location and even from the language Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef that both Akiva ben Yosef were the same thing. There's even another Gamorah Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef right? Akiva ben Yosef was going up to Shemayim for 40 days and 40 nights and then it got later only and Akiva ben Yosef didn't come down said Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef I'm just reading the first line Akiva ben Yosef because when Akiva ben Yosef went up to Shemayim Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef told Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef I'm going to come back 40 days in the beginning of the sixth hour. Akiva ben Yosef came and he didn't come and the we all know the story. That Akiva ben Yosef is in the Gamorah happened when? Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben Yosef for sure happened after so that Akiva ben Yosef for sure happened after Torah. Akiva ben Yosef which is mentioned in an abridged version in Akiva ben Yosef also sounds like it happened during the 40 days and the 40 nights. The problem is that the Akiva ben Yosef the between Akiva ben Yosef and Akiva ben Yosef I think that sounds like it happened before Akiva ben Yosef it's a little Akiva ben Yosef Akiva ben But the truth is let's think about it a little bit more. Especially now we're a little bit in share mode. Right? You think a little. Just a tiny bit. But we're holding a little in this in the parshas Yisro and parshas Mishpatim. Let's be misbaynen. Did Moshe Rabbeinu even go up to shamayim before matan Torah Sinai? Again, I think the man on the street, I'm positive, would say of course it happened before matan Torah Sinai. When did Moshe Rabbeinu go up to shamayim before matan Torah Sinai? After matan Torah Sinai we know Moshe nigash el ha'Elohim. 40 days, 40 nights. Of course he tells Aaron and Chur you take over, you shouldn't Right? These are we're going to learn in a few days in the parshas Mishpatim. But what about before matan Torah Sinai? Did Moshe Rabbeinu even go up to shamayim? So if you go through the starting with because that's when it would have happened. This is the second day of Sivan. We went through the narrative of every day, what took place in the beginning of Sivan. Moshe al Elohim. Oh, here you go. This is the smoking gun. Moshe Rabbeinu went up el Elohim. So you would think this would be the pasuk. So this would be the pasuk. And really if you had a place the Gemara in Shabbos bet beis in a pasuk in the Torah I think this would be the pasuk. Moshe al Elohim. I went through the I don't think there's another pasuk. But this is it. And this almost sounds and ice. Right? Sounds like we found our pasuk. There's one problem. You know what the problem is? If you take a look at the Ramban and if you take a look at the Even Ezra they both say that even though the words of the pasuk seem to suggest Moshe al Elohim that Moshe Rabbeinu literally went to Hakadosh Baruch Hu, but it doesn't mean literally. I'll read the lashon of the Ramban. From the day that Yidden arrived at Har Sinai which was Rosh Chodesh Sivan, kisa ha'anan es ha'har. The anan, the vulcan, the cloud, the Shechina covered the mountain. V'sham Hashem. That's where the Shechina was. V'zeh pasuk vayishkon Hashem al Har Sinai vayichasehu anan sheshes yamim. What is that pasuk referring to? It's referring to matan Torah. U'l'fi chachamim being that the Shechina was on top of the mountain, that's why the pasuk says Moshe al Elohim. Ki al tzei ha'har. Where Moshe Rabbeinu went was he went to the edge of the mountain l'hizdamen l'fanav to be in his presence. But here's the punchline. V'lo ba el ha'Elohim. But he didn't enter the Elohim as shamayim. Where Elohim where Hakadosh Baruch Hu was because that's something that's going to first happen later. But says the Ramban that where did Moshe Rabbeinu go? He went to the top of the mountain and the Hashem was l'ma'alah. And now he's within earshot of Hakadosh Baruch Hu. He's able to in a private setting communicate with the Shechina. But he didn't literally enter anything. He's on the mountain. This is not al Moshe l'ma'alah. The Even Ezra says it even more sharper. The Even Ezra and this is in Even Ezra Moshe al asher karah Hashem min ha'har. V'lo alah Moshe ki im el ha'har v'lo el ha'shamayim. Moshe Rabbeinu did not enter the mountain. He didn't enter shamayim. If that's the case, I don't think Moshe Rabbeinu even entered shamayim before the Torah was given. So can't be that al Moshe l'ma'alah that famous famous famous Gemara in Shabbos bet beis is talking about from matan Torah. Because where do you find that Moshe Rabbeinu even went to shamayim before matan Torah? The closest thing you're going to find is Moshe al Elohim. But the Ramban and Even Ezra, the two greatest of Chumash both say that it doesn't mean that. It means he went to the top of the mountain and the Hashem was l'ma'alah from the mountain. But they didn't go literally to the rakia. If that's the case then when did that Gemara take place? I don't know. It has to be it took place after matan Torah. Which is very very glad because all the al Moshe l'ma'alahs besides for that one for sure happened after matan Torah. And you would think the al Moshe l'ma'alah is that same I think it's clear to say that. But either way it would have taken place after matan Torah. If it took place after matan Torah so what's going on over here? How do you even read the Gemara? The malachim want to know what Moshe Rabbeinu was doing here matan Torah. But what do you mean he was already matan Torah? Why are you giving it to him? You're a day late and a dollar short. He gave it to him already. It's already too late. How do you understand the Torah just the just the words of the Gemara? Now truth is like this. We spoke out from the Ramban. This is from the where the Ramban says that we know we were matan Torah at Sinai. But we didn't get the entire Torah at matan Torah Sinai. We got the dibros that we heard from Hakadosh Baruch Hu. And then there were certain mitzvos that we got immediately after, the few mitzvos that I mentioned at the end of parshas Yisro. And then the mitzvos that are mentioned in parshas Mishpatim. But then Moshe Rabbeinu went up to shamayim. There he taught him Torah. And then Moshe Rabbeinu came down and taught all the rest of the Torah. So this idea that even though matan Torah Sinai took place, Moshe Rabbeinu says matan Torah Hakadosh Baruch Hu says he came to matan Torah. It's factually correct. Meaning it's not that we already got the Torah. So how could you say matan Torah? Because we only got the dibros. We got mitzvos. We didn't get everything. But it's still I think very because if Klal Yisrael was already chosen as the nation and we already are locked in all the chazals, so whatever the malachim are fighting for now would seem to be a little bit too late. It happened already. Doesn't sound from the Gemara like it happened already. First glance I think it's sort of clear. There's to say a but I want to leave it out there as a kasha. So again this is the What exactly is the al Moshe l'ma'alah? The different Gemaras that talk about al Moshe l'ma'alah are they different and specifically the Gemara in Shabbos the most famous of all these Gemaras which at first glance always felt like it took place before kabalas ha'Torah. I don't know. After learning Chumash with the starting to get a feeling that it really happened after kabalas ha'Torah. Because before kabalas ha'Torah when was Moshe al l'ma'alah? That pasuk of Moshe al Elohim sounds like he went l'ma'alah but go through the Ramban, go through the Even Ezra. It doesn't sound like the they clearly hold that Moshe didn't enter the mountain. And if that Gemara in Shabbos took place after the Torah was already given, I think we have to revisit that Gemara with a little bit of I mean they're coming after the party already. Also the malachim didn't know that Hashem gave the Torah to to Klal Yisrael and to Moshe Rabbeinu. Again I just want to leave it out there as a but there's just one final one and that is Moshe Rabbeinu in our Gemara when he's l'ma'alah he sees Rabbi Akiva and he's blown away by Rabbi Akiva. He doesn't even understand why Hashem chose him to be the one to be matan Torah. Wouldn't it make more sense for the Torah to be given through Rabbi Akiva? And then after he sees the greatness of Rabbi Akiva so Moshe Rabbeinu turns to Hakadosh Baruch Hu and he says you showed me his Torah. He went back and he saw how the Romans were selling his meat in the market. Hakadosh Baruch Hu told Moshe Rabbeinu shtok. This is what my is saying should be done and as a result this is what's going to happen. It's known that the say this is an inyan that the Ramban talks about. It's in the Torah of the going. It's in the Torah of the we mentioned this many many times. What's the of what Hakadosh Baruch Hu meant when he told Moshe Rabbeinu shtok? Because we know the pasuk says Elohim es ha'shamayim v'es ha'aretz. Elohim is midas hadin. Chazal say Rashi brings it that it was all of the in the beginning of the world for Hakadosh Baruch Hu to create the world with midas hadin. But then he realized that the world would not have a if it was governed with midas hadin. So what Hakadosh Baruch Hu did was he was he took a from midas hadin. The was midas harachamim. And ended up creating the world with a of midas hadin and midas harachamim. It was all of the The of the was to create the world with midas hadin. But when he saw that it wasn't going to work so he brought a to the midas hadin and that was the midas harachamim. That's what the say that the of Hakadosh Baruch Hu the of Hakadosh Baruch Hu is something that's not revealed and not understood. It's not something that can just go to waste. The of Hakadosh Baruch Hu is a real thing. And if Hakadosh Baruch Hu had a to create the world with midas hadin, that means on some level Hakadosh Baruch Hu created the world with midas hadin. What does that mean? Say the that a tzaddik who's able to survive in a world of midas hadin, that tzaddik lives in the world of the of Hakadosh Baruch Hu and he's governed with midas hadin. It's the rest of us that are not up to living in a world of midas hadin. For us we >> All of the machshava of the forenight, it was all of the machshava for me to create the world of middos hadin. Rebbe Akiva such a great tzaddik and left in the young of old. And in the world of middos hadin where I'm in tact with the seira, zu Torah v'zu schar. You're right, in a regular world it can't be that way cuz that world wouldn't have a kiyum. In the world that's a shutfus of middos hadin and middos harachamim, the end of the story of Rebbe Akiva and the beginning of the story of Rebbe Akiva has no havana. All of the stoic all of the machshava of the forenight, Rebbe Akiva is that great tzaddik. Rebbe Akiva is a tzaddik where you see it was a scouter and things that weren't even a scouter Moshe Rabbeinu. It's dafka because he's such a great tzaddik that it makes sense zu Torah v'zu schar. The meaning of all of the machshava of the forenight is a play on words. It's a play on that inyan of all of the machshava of Hakadosh Baruch Hu to create the world of middos hadin. Again, this is an inyan that we've spoken about many times.