בענין סיבת האיסור טריפה

We're learning parakeus and I think it's good to speak out one a basic in the that relates to having a little bit of a better understanding of the is the inabas says that in the event that there's an animal that has a tra it has one of the things that that make this animal uh quote unquote. Even if at some point the animal would have a rafu, it would still be considered a tra. So the rajb said that what happens if aer is once a is always a and based it on the beginning of just the one quote the says but that line would seem to suggest that once a is always a tra if you have a that's a and it has a is going to remain us and the question is why at first glance it's if you ask the man on the street what's the of a tra the tra is a tra is right a tra is an animal that is in some level of danger It's not just the mises that has some sort of physical that's causing it to be in a state of sak and because of the fact that it doesn't have the ability to live beyond a certain point. is for that reason and I'll let eat it as if to say it's one less than a right you understand you can't eat a because it's dead a is not a but it's the next best thing right so you have the where it's actually dead and YOU HAVE THE TRA THAT'S LIKE ALMOST DEAD BUT for sure the spirit of why aer is associated with the fact that it's very much and by the way even though we know this mand at the beginning of the par that holds but we spoke out raid from 7 and 1/2 years ago Well, that just means that it can live past you. But of course, a tra has some sort of physical ailment and physical issue right now that has tremendously cut its life expectancy and that is at first glance the assault of the tra. Well, if that's the case, so once the traa has a rafu, has the so why would that be an issue right now? It was once a traam then it would have been a problem. But right now doesn't have the tra anymore. So if that's the case, why should that be a problem? It sounds like once a traer always a trafer right just to say it in more when you learn your van there's a concept of right there's an idea that a woman that falls so Rab says throughout that if she's user at the time of the she never has a hat what's known in the vernacular as nestra what there's like a nestra that once an animal's a tra that's it you'll it'll never be able to be kosher at first glance it's something that's here in simal it's a little it's called soal is divided in to two groups so this is and towards the end of that little paragraph the asks this and says but it requires a tiny bit of an introduction So began listing all the traged in his brings from the who asked a very simple but a very profound why isn't it that when the Mishna mentions the tra of savves It says oops the the had been previously punctured or the had been previously but when it comes to every other tra that's mentioned in the Mishna we're describing the verb the action of when it's happening literally in real Fine. The should have been consistent. If you want to tell me regarding the whole list, so say and if you want to tell me, so you should say, etc., etc. and and that is because really the and the are not being introduced for the first time here in paras. the topic of the first two proim of the from the first word of the we've already been talking about the and the what part of the or what verb was being done to the up until this point it was so we contrast that with notita but not it's but the is the first time we mention it the nikal It's the first time we're mentioning it. So we're not like being for a affformentioned a previous discussion and that's why it's mentioned here more as it's a very but this is where brings from the stating that there's another and this mahalak is brought down and all the and they all attribute the mahalak to And is the is as follows. That is if you remember we learned together a very important for the Mishna said in the event but he was say this animal is going to be unavail Being that he didn't sh the ggeras he was a gargeras the animal's not a a tra even that would have been a good thing the animal's going to be a rabbi is not a it's a cloud the name of anytime the happens in it's a but if the issue is unrelated to the actual then it's going to be a tra and then the mish concludes that even though and he held that is he came around that he was that really it's going to be it's going to be a in other words in the Mishna there was a what would be if it was this animal right now you did a good on the it was it a tra or is it aailable it was said for but then came around to and he said I agree with you it's not going to be a but rather it's going to be the first and what do you see from is not an it's a and that's Both hold that isn't available and the gave a few to roots but at the end two remain standing. One terrorist the Gmorra said was is enhamias is not a a trager isn't avail and the rest are going to be a tra incidentally Rashi speaks out that it's Not only that's going to be available but also because what was the cloud said that so if it's in the gargaras if it's in the goes down and as a result that's why in either case it's going to be unavailable but the bottom line is when the Mishna says in the first term it's not elut it's some of them are going to and which two are and said another ter the other terra said was that it could be the mission is going to before he was meaning took on and he held is really a tra and if that's the case would also be a tra and that's the trace but MS that it comes out it's not going to be a it's going to be and this is almost wrong so to speak according to the first terret of the what emergence is there's a fundamental difference between versus all the other traers there it's not tra It's nea as opposed to the other t those are tus I what you mean the mission says aloo yeah yeah that's the way we have it but you have to do the editor and you have to know it's not it's really what the mission is saying like this what's the voice that's the second if you understand that the veh and the gargeras's place in the Mishna is fundamentally different than everything else. I could tell you maybe maybe I'm the Columbus and maybe that would explain the dicta brings from the why isn't that by the it's when it came to all the other tra it's why are we talking so differently the says wait a gumar that we are going to very much learn together what would be if you have an animal that's a tra and This animal that's a tra gives birth to a vlad. It gives birth to a child. What's that? Is the child going to be a tra or is the child not going to be a tra says the in the event that the traa happened while the animal was a so then is the child is going to be like the mother and the child is going to be a tra. If the animal becomes a tra first and then afterwards it gives birth to the child, the animal is not going to be a tra. It's a little counterintuitive. If the animal becomes a tra while it's then is the child is going to be a tra if the animal was a tra and then afterwards gave birth to the child. So the mother is a tra and conceives the child after it became a tra and then gives birth to the child. So then the is that this child is not going to be a if you learn the which we'll do in a few days makes a but at the end of the day this is a that if you sit down you learn properly it's very unclear and the reason it's very unclear is because we know the is so if you have a mother that's a mubber how could the child not BE A MUBARIS IN every sug if the mother is right if they have a mother that's a trais then how could it be that the child is not going to be a tra in the sugas of a animal that is and all the is right. So we know this and whatever the status of the mother is that's ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE status of the child that when it comes to this it's not the way it is in the bring that somebody came and asked IF WHY is it why is it that if an animal's a now gives birth to a child why don't we look at as being a didn't say it I'm going to tell What I think the vert is the vert is what is the of now you learn the is like we set up this whole it's the fact that it's one madrega removed from that and because of that IT'S NOT BUT IT'S the next best but at the same time it's on the spectrum and it's for that reason it's going to be said it's from this that that's not The of the of is not it's not the fact that it's some sickly animal. That's not the is this is but the is that when an animal develops an ailment it gets that puncture something tears when something happens to it that is the that is the of the and because that is the of the is not the mat of being betrayful the is when that that episode that event took place said that's the beer in the gam the beer in the gamar is if the animal was a mu when it became a tra so then the animal was part of the mother when the came to life so being that it was part of the animal when the came to life so the mother was as well if however the is not being in a state where Right now it has this uh issue but rather the of it is is that it's when the issue took place that created the isser and that is the well if that's the case if the animal became a tra before it was a mubber now when it became a mubaris the is not here anymore so it doesn't pass to say anymore would mean that would mean the mama right now has the so how could it be that the is not going to have Is it's true the mom is but the flood once it's born at that point there's no reason to assume it's if the was when the was so then you would say but being that the is not it's for that reason it's not going to BE OKAY THIS IS 100% counterintuitive right now you learn that the nikave the nikra the nish is aims it's the to get to a point where right now this uh animals got a problem and when the animals got a problem there's a ser and that's when it's going to be user the said it's just the opposite it's just the opposite the fact that it's got a problem is just a way of TIGHTENING UP THAT WHAT HAPPENED was something that's very profound profound enough to make iter but the Iser is the nik it's the nitel it's again I don't think anybody logically at would see it this way but that's from that and that's what's going on over here if that's the case that's because that's even if you want to tell me that the as it relates to is the it's the but the is the fact that you have a dead animal over here right that's for sure what the the is that goes without say when it comes to the tra the is the is the it's the it's the it's the when it comes to the fact that you have an that's what you have over here when the was talking about all the right over THERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT the act of when the nikave took place it was It's that's what makes the is the Mishna is mentioning the but over there we're not talking about we're not discussing over there we're discussing over there like over there and over there we're handling the two that are what does it mean you killed the animal and right now you killed it in a when was it didn't become an it you know when you shacked it it's going to BE IN A BUT YOU SHACKED IT IT'S NOT IN A SO when it comes to there you need already the so they were saying there was a that was done or the animal died when it was that didn't make it into a it's a I don't know about tra this is the portion of the and as it relates to the it has to be dead it has to be dead with And that's why we're mentioning as opposed to as it relates to as it relates to the Israel that is the nikave it's the nale it's the it's for that reason we look at in that way is if you take a look at the onishna in the beginning says the said this lived hundreds and hundreds of years ago. So he said this he didn't explain it and it could be more beer in the first things first just to be but the bottom line is is that obviously this would be a little bit of a beer in the ramsh it's a right in that piece he says the same thing says it's from the traus that the of is the fact that the whole came the fact that it was the fact that wasra the mikave that's what makes the animal afa it has to be where you won't be able to live etc etc but it's the is the that's what goes ahead and that's what makes this whole thing happen in the if you have a so we still view it as a and at first GLANCE IT'S THE SEBASER IS no longer there. Incorrect. The Iser is there. The Israel is never THE FACT THAT RIGHT THIS SECOND AT THE TIME THAT you're shocking the animal the WAS THERE WAS A WAY IF THERE WAS A THERE WAS A THAT is this case whether IT HAD A RAFFLE. IT DIDN'T have a raff. the is that it's so then you're right now it's why should there be a problem if the is that there was a that creates an very nice he had a and really should have a that's what we always for but the FACT THAT WAS DOESN'T NEGATE THE FACT THAT THAT AILMENT WAS THERE and if the ailment in was the that's why is it's going to remain The bottom line is again looking at the but it's from the maybe even the this distinction and it's posit that's all true as it relates to tra as it relates to it's the Isra is not the mis right there the Isra is the fact that you have a a dead animal but either way again some basic yeshivade as it relates to traa and we're going to stop That