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One of the topics of the Mishnah, one of
the topics of the Sugya of piggul is
that there's a Halacha
of Korban Matzah Kemitzvoso. That the
only time something becomes piggul
to the point where it's going to be
Chayav an Olah Korban is if it was
Korban Matzah Kemitzvoso. But if it was
Lo Korban Matzah Kemitzvoso, so then the
Halacha is it's going to be possul of
course, but it's not going to be a
situation where you're going to be
Chayav an Olah Korban. And the Mishnah
gave a whole bunch of examples of when
it's Korban Matzah Kemitzvoso and when
it's Lo Korban Matzah Kemitzvoso.
Additionally, we mentioned in the
introduction to the daf that this
Mishnah we hear in Menachos has a an
equivalent thereof, a mirror image
Mishnah, which is in Maseches Zevachim,
where the Mishnah there too goes through
the same exact Cheshbon of needing
Korban Matzah Kemitzvoso regarding
Zevachim.
And the Mishnah gives examples of Korban
Matzah Kemitzvoso, and the Mishnah gives
examples of of Lo Korban Matzah
Kemitzvoso.
What is the part to this Halacha of
Korban Matzah Kemitzvoso?
So it's a Braisa in Maseches Zevachim
daf Chof Hes Alef Amud Beis. It's the
middle of a very, very long Braisa
where the Gemara is darshening all the
different words in the parsha of piggul.
One of the things it says regarding
piggul is Lo Yeiratzeh. Then he Ochel
Yeiyachel Mitzvas Hashlamah Bayom
Hashlishi Lo Yeiratzeh. Nach Vai Say Lo
Yichshev Lo Piggul Yiyeh V'nefesh Chalas
Mimenu Avoinu Tisa. But it says the word
Lo Yeiratzeh. Says the Braisa, we learn
from the words Lo Yeiratzeh Karzas
Kasher, Kein Karzas Possul. U'Ma Karzas
Kasher, Achshei Yakrivuhu K'matirahu. Af
Karzas Possul, Achshei Yakrivuhu
K'matirahu. So Zog the Braisa that it
says the word Lo Yeiratzeh, we're
talking about Ritzui. How do you get
Ritzui? You get Ritzui by doing four
good Avodos. So too, when it comes to
piggul, you also have to do four good
Avodos. What do you mean? By definition,
I didn't do four good Avodos. That's
true. Lo Vad of the Machshavah of
Chotzas Mano, you would have to have a
situation where you went ahead and you
did four good avoidos. But, the point is
is that as long as you have the hartzah
lulei the machshava of chutz l'zman,
that's when you're going to have a pigul
of a chayav on all of karos. If,
however, you don't even have hartzah
posul, because even down in the
machshava of chutz l'zman, there's other
issues, there's other problems with this
avoida, b'chai gavna d'alochis, it's not
going to be okay. The braysa continues.
I'm skipping four lines.
posul. It says also in the posuk the
words lo yichash, right? Again, then
mayoch yochid b'tzas b'yam
ashlishi lo yeirotzeh. Am I correct by
saying lo yichash? What does it mean lo
yichash? Zoch teegamara. It's all part
of the braysa. Lo ye'arev b'machshavos
acheiros. You can't be me'arev any other
machshavos. So, krashi, mikon
demachshavos shemaytzia zumizu. This is
the makor to the idea that machshavos
are maytzia zumizu. Shemachshavos
posul maytzia meeday pigul. That if
while the kohen is doing the avoida, he
would have another machshava posul
that other machshava posul would be
maytzia meeday pigul, it would knock out
the entire pigul, it wouldn't be karis
for chayav on all of karos. Frank the
Brisker Rav, I don't understand. I'm
learning this gemara over here. I have
two drashos that seem to be saying the
same thing. Lo yeirotzeh, karis kasha
kein tzas posul. May tzas kasha at your
kuvak matirav, afer tzas posul at your
kuvak matirav. I have to have without
the machshavos chutz l'zman four kosher
avoidos. That's the only way this korban
of a chayav on all of karos. Then we
have another another drasha, lo ye'arev.
Lo ye'arev b'machshavos acheiros. What
does it mean? Zoch krashi, mikon
demachshavos shemaytzia zumizu.
Shemachshavos posul, if you would have a
bad machshava, maytzia meeday pigul.
What does it mean you have a bad
machshava? In addition to the machshava
of chutz l'zman, you would think chutz
l'zman, you would think sh'lo lishmo, by
minchas chotim u'minchas kanaos, or by
achatos or pesach. But, the point is if
you would have another a machshava that
WOULD KNOCK IT OUT. FRANK THE BRISKOVER,
once I know this halacha of lo ye
rotzeh, kartos kalcha kein artzos posul,
why do I need a second drasha of lo ye
choshev to go ahead and teach me lo
airev b'machshavos acheiros? At first
glance, it would seem to be two drashos
that are teaching me the same thing.
Now, to be clear, the first drasha of lo
ye rotzeh is way more encompassing than
the second drasha of lo ye choshev. Lo
ye rotzeh says that there can't be
anything wrong with this korban. A, you
have to do the avodah this, and B, there
can't be anything wrong. to be a perfect
dalet avodah this with the exception of
the machshava of chutz l'zmanah. So, a
vadai the lo ye rotzeh is very, very
encompassing. Lo ye choshev is not so
encompassing. What does lo ye choshev
say? If there's another machshava of
pisul, machshava is a lo ye see o ye zum
ye zum. Right? That's the concept. Lo ye
airev b'machshavos acheiros. Cuz if you
have another bad machshava, it's going
to undermine the entire pickle. So, the
kasha is not why do I need lo ye rotzeh
if I have lo ye choshev. The kasha is
why do I need lo ye choshev if I really
have lo ye rotzeh. So, in shuir they say
over that the Briskover said two
mahalachim to answer this kasha. The
first mahalacha that
the Briskover said was that we know
Rava has a memra in kodshim, we just saw
it a few days ago on daf heyom beis,
that the only time a machshava is
considered a machshava of pisul is if it
was b'mishah ro'eh l'avodah, b'davar
ha'ro'eh l'avodah, u'v'makom ha'ro'eh
l'avodah.
Said Maran HaGriz, that in the event
that a kohen would have machshavos chutz
l'zmanah b'sha'as shchitah, and then by
the kabalah he would go, he would have a
machshava of sh'lo lishmah. That
machshava of sh'lo lishmah b'etzem would
not make the kabalah posul. Because once
you had a machshava already of chutz
l'zmanah, so comes out that now the
kabalah is not a davar ro'eh l'avodah.
Because the kabalah is a posul kabalah.
If that's the case, the machshava that
you have is not a real machshava. If
it's not a real machshava, said the
Brisker Rav, "I think that it would be
no problem of KOSHER OR POSSIBLE." WHAT
does it mean kosher or possible?
What it means is that there's another
thing that I did wrong. What did you do
wrong? You had a machshava sh'lo lishmah
by the kabbalah. That was not a
machshava that has any impact on the
carbon. You know why? Cuz you already
had a machshava of chutz z'manei. And
once you had a machshava of chutz
z'manei, that machshava sh'lo lishmah
has kabbalah is a machshava of davar
ha'ro'ui l'avodah. And a machshava of
davar ha'ro'ui l'avodah is
not a machshava. And it's for that
reason it's not going to be okay. Now,
it's a little mechudashdik what the Rav
is saying, because usually you would
say, "If I didn't have the machshava of
chutz z'manei, what would be there?"
Then it would have been a davar ha'ro'ui
l'avodah. And then it would be a
machshava of sh'lo lishmah. But the
Brisker Rav said it's mefurash for me
that's not the way you look at it. The
way you look at it is, "Is there
ANOTHER PSUL?" THE ANSWER IS NO, BECAUSE
A MACHSHAVA OF SH'LO lishmah on a
kabbalah after the sh'chitah was done
with a machshava of chutz z'manei is
actually not a machshava of psul. CUZ
THERE'S A MACHSHAVA of sh'lo lishmah
that says it has to be
ha'ro'ui l'avodah. K'mas l'an od drasha
Lo yachshiv. Says Lo ya'arvei machshavos
acheres. At the end of the day, IF YOU
HAVE ANOTHER MACHSHAVA, EVEN THOUGH IT'S
NOT A MACHSHAVA THAT REALLY even has the
ability to make THE CARBON PSUL, BECAUSE
AT THIS POINT it's coming chutz z'manei,
it's not a davar ha'ro'ui l'avodah.
Afilu hachi, afilu hachi, that's the
second drasha of Lo yachshiv. This is
what the Brisker Rav said in his first
mahalacha. Second mahalacha they say in
shiur is that the Brisker Rav said
that it would happen after mincha
regarding a machshava of chutz l'makom.
He said, "Why?" He said, "Because
there's makom to say, being that you
find that machshava of chutz z'manei and
machshava of chutz l'makom are
considered
hishtayim, right? They're mitztaref with
regards to the shiur, right? You find a
lot of things that they have in common
with regards to the different sugius.
So, you could have said, you could have
said that being that it's mavore
that
although karitsos kosher, kachatsos
posel. But avada it's down minay the
machshavah of chotzos mano. So just like
it's down minay the machshavah of
chotzos mano, maybe if you would have a
machshavah of chotzos koymo, it would be
down minay of the machshavah of chotzos
koymo. And it could be a machshavah of
chotzos koymo wouldn't be able to stare
karitsos posel in as much as the
machshavah of chotzos mano alone doesn't
stare. Meaning, say it even a little bit
better. If you would have a do it a
shkito with a machshavah of chotzos mano
and a kabala machshavah of chotzos mano
alacha, right? That's not a problem of
karitsos kosher kachatsos posel. We just
saw it in the mishnah menachos that we
learned this morning. Why? Because at
the end of the day it's all chotzos mano
even if it's A SECOND MACHSHAVAH, BUT
IT'S all chotzos mano. And being that
chotzos koymo chotzos mano is achash
shnayim, so there'd be mokem to say that
the machshavah of chotzos mano is one in
the same. So I'll say karitsos kosher
kachatsos posel, you can't be motzi a
chotzos koymo. Kamashma loy choshev, loy
areve machshavah acheres. In the end of
the day it's an other machshavah. And
being that it's an other machshavah,
it's for that reason it's going to be
posel. These are the two malachim that
the Brisker Rav said. And here they say
that the Brisker Rav feared eyes and he
said that there's nafka minas l'halacha.
Why? Because according to the first
teretz,
what's the malach? The malach is that
once you have a machshavah of chotzos
mano it's the second machshavah is
already bedolishin l'avoyda. If it's
bedolishin l'avoyda, it doesn't stare
the karitsos posel. That's why you have
to come on to a new shiyur of loy
choshev. Well, that's only true if first
you had the machshavah of chotzos mano
and afterwards you had the machshavah of
chotzos koymo or the machshavah of
shiloy lishma. What would be if it was
in the other way around? Then en achana
mi you wouldn't have to come on to loy
choshev loy areve machshavah acheres.
Because being that that machshavah came
first, so at the time that you had that
bad machshavah was it dover a roy
l'avoyda? So you would be taype clay
altsa loy ratza. Then nafka mina of the
second teretz of the Rav is that that
only nigay chotzos koymo. That it's
nafka by koymo you have to come on to
the areve.
master of the but as it is
you wouldn't have to come on to the
second
but it would be
hard
question
possible but in the case like this
of Brisk the most of unbelievable
I suffer to this Indian
and that is
that we know Ruby Buddha so in the
mission of this morning of course it's
also mentioned in the mission of walking
he's with the
as it relates to the
of
color of magic in its water
according to the only time there's an
issue of color of magic in its water is
if first you had the other magic
and then you had the magic of the
speaker
so first you had the magic of the
first you had the magic of the
then you had the magic of the speaker
what would be if it was in the reverse
order where first you had the magic of
the
and then you had the magic of the
you had the magic of the
so we did the magic of the would be
different right the way says it in the
mission of
I don't
care
what magic
you had
afterwards
the magic of the you had afterwards the
magic of the magic of the
if however the magic of the
came before the magic of the
then it's possible
the magic of the
possible
no either way it's like the magic of the
how did you do
say in the mission of
today's stuff I don't know what you do
say after the magic of the magic of the
magic of the
the magic of the magic of the
magic of the verbatim it's word for word
that is Ruby
Ruby says the
which magic of the came first did the
magic of the come first or did the other
magic of the come first if you take a
look at the
parish on the
it's in
the parish that's known as the Agra on
the Mishnah in the second perek of
Maseches Vakken. In the Gemara, it's on
daf chof tes amud beis. In the Mishnah,
it's Mishnah hei. Says the Gaon, "Omer
Rebbi Yehudah, zeh haklal. Dedorash
pshat in Rebbi Yehudah is cuz Rebbi
Yehudah was doresh lo yei choshev
lema'chshev bekorbanos
shelo la'ika. For someone that's
ma'chshev bekorbanos to teach me that he
gets malkus kimavur lekam on daf chof
tes amud beis. Well,
masnisan koide masnisan veramar vechul."
Says the Gaon,
"That what pshat in Rebbi Yehudah that
says that there's an af kamina if the
machshavos has man came first or if the
other machshavos came first. It's Rebbi
Yehudah leshitasah. You hear this?
Dedorash lo yei choshev lema'chshev
bekorbanos shelo la'ika."
The Gemara said on daf chof tes amud
beis, "Omer Rebbi Yanai, minayin
lema'chshev bekorbanos shelo la'ika?
Tamud lemei lo yei choshev. Omer Rebbi
Ashi, "Deramarai, lav shein bema'aseh.
Vechol lav shein bema'aseh lo yei
na'alah." Omer Rebbi Yehudah,
"De'omer lav shein bema'aseh LO YEI
NA'ALAH." SAYS THE VILNA GAON, "Being
that Rebbi Yehudah leshitasah holds that
if someone has a machshavah besul
bekorbanos, he's going to get malkus.
And how do we know he gets malkus? He
gets malkus cuz it says lo yei choshev.
It's for that reason said the Gaon that
Rebbi Yehudah said that if the
machshavos
makayim or the machshavos shelo makayim
first, that's going to be a problem of
karmas fosos. If however the machshavos
has man came first, then it's not going
to be a problem of karmas fosos. And at
first glance, the words of the Vilna
Gaon are very sossel. It's very tom
beer. What's pashut pshat? Meaning, what
does it sound like the Gaon is trying to
say? It sounds like what the Gaon is
trying to say is that how do you know
machshavos amitzias umizu? So the Gemara
darshined it from lo yei choshev.
According to Rebbi Yehudah, lo yei
choshev is taken because Rebbi Yehudah
holds minayin lema'chshev bekorbanos
shelo la'ika? Tamud lemei lo yei
choshev. So Rebbi Yehudah leshitasah
doesn't HAVE LO YEI CHOSHEV. SO IF HE
DOESN'T HAVE LO YEI CHOSHEV, THEN IT'S
FOR THAT REASON that you can't hold that
if you had a
has man first it's going to be a problem
of of like
but here's the problem at first glance.
IF DOESN'T HOLD OF
SO MADLY IF THE HAS MAN CAME FIRST MADLY
IF THE OTHER CAME FIRST EITHER WAY you
don't HAVE THE
IS
EITHER WAY YOU SHOULD BE OUT. SO, IN
MADISON THEY SAY IS THE of is the
TERRACE FROM THE
WITH
BECAUSE THE
ASKED HIS GRACE WHAT DO I NEED
typically it says
what do I need a new thing the
is
TYPICALLY
WHAT THE SAYING IN THE FIRST TERRACE
that the only time
possible
possible would be an issue would be if
first you had the bad
and then you had the
of
because then when you had that other
the car it was
it was
and being that it was so now when you
had the of
there's another
if
however first you would have the
of
then already by the time you had the
second
of
it comes out it's not a
if it's NOT A
THERE'S NO PROBLEM
THAT'S WHY I SAID THE
WE HAD TO COME ON TO A NEW OF
IT
DR.
RIGHT SOMETIMES WE CATCH INTO THE GUY
AND THIS is clear what the guy is saying
it's no other way to learn THE GUY DR.
HALF OF A FELLOW WHO
HOLDS OF
BUT HE DOESN'T HOLD OF
THE REASON HOLDS OF WHY NOT THE REASON
HE DOESN'T HOLD OF
BECAUSE IT'S
WHO HOLDS
BECAUSE IT SAYS
THAT
IS TAKEN TO TEACH ME ALREADY THE love to
teach me the
and as a result of THIS KIND OF
AS RELATES TO THIS LAW SO THE MAIN
where the
would knock out the piggle out
which is
we have to come ON TO THE
THAT DOES NOT GOING TO BE INTO. SO IF
YOU HAD first the
first
and then you had
we're there at the time that you had the
of
it was a double OF THIS IS RIGHT NOW
THAT
IF YOU'RE LATER GOING TO DO THE NEXT
WITH A
PIGGLE IS KOSHER
POSSIBLE
IF HOWEVER FIRST YOU WOULD HAVE THE
AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THE
AT THAT POINT IT'S ALREADY NOT IT'S not
what it's not a bad of
it's a
double
over there over there
outside THERE'S NO PROBLEM. NO THIS IS A
NEW THIS IS A NEW
THIS IS THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE NEW OF
THAT'S WHY
HE DOESN'T HAVE THE
THAT'S why he's going to hold that as it
relates as it relates to a situation
with first you had as mine and then you
had the other
at that point it's not going to be a
problem. This is
this came first that came second once
you hear I'm grandfathered in that's
what's going on here. What's going on
here is it's the
of the the the Brisker
was stating going with the bear from
Maran Agriz is that he held of the of
he didn't hold of the of that's the
reason he didn't hold of the of
is cuz it's the of
but if you
in this going for one second we're going
to end with this it's an unbelievable
what the guy is saying it's unbelievable
I think you have to do almost a double
take on this Vilna guy because what the
Vilna guy is saying is
that when the Gamorah says mean I
The law says Malkis is a lot of shame
and nice I must have my own Yehuda.
That whole Gamorah is only a little bit
of Yehuda. I mean Pasha the way you
learn that Gamorah is is that the love
of
is true say according to say according
to the
only reason the Gamorah said Yehudi is
because IT SAID LIKE
THAT YOU GET LASHES, RIGHT? 40 MINUS
ONE. THAT'S TRUE ACCORDING TO YEHUDA.
WHO SHE DOES THIS MARCUS AND THROUGHOUT
CHANCE the last thing in my soul you
know but I even I believe in the coming
which is a lot of
obey. You're not going to get Marcus.
And the guy in the war that according to
Yehuda there's
a lot of
is thus
is taken AND I CAN'T DOUBLE DIP. I CAN'T
USE
AGAIN TO TEACH ME THE LAW
IS THE LAW IS THE LAW IS THE LAW. AND
THAT'S WHY YOU THE THE LAW SAYS MY CAME
BEFORE MY LAW CAME BEFORE MY THAT LAW IS
GOING to be bigger than all of ALL OF
GOD. IT'S THAT WE HAVE A COMMON WHO HOLD
YOU DON'T get Marcus for
you don't get Marcus for
the law is the law is the law. Is not
only something you don't get Marcus for
it's not even something it's not a law
there's no law of the law is the law. If
there's no law of
the law is the law is the law is not
taken. It's very much available. If it's
available we can use it now to teach me
a very critical law. The say the guy in
is learning up that the price of the law
is the law is the law is
predicated on the law is the law is the
LAW BEING EXTRA. I FEEL THE LAW IS THE
LAW IS THE LAW IS A LAW IT'S NOT EXTRA.
THE LAW IS THE LAW IS THE LAW IS the law
is the law is the law is the law is the
law is the law is the law is the says
the guy in this is like one of those
guys. Very good smack. He doesn't have
the law is the law is the law extra in
the price. As opposed to going to the
law is the law is the law is going to be
extra in the price. But it's coming out
and the steam is watching that girl that
according to the coming there's no love
of law is which is not like the Rambam
in
it's not like Rashi and
that base on the base who is it maybe I
like?
Who's it maybe I like? Could be it's
like Rashi
we had to read by in the beginning of
the
where we motioned a little bit that it's
more in the Gamorah right
Mincha
she makes
a little
bit that
it's kind of nice and the Gamorah asks
the question the same question that it
asks in
why does it say
hello
what it should have said was
like Rashi says in that base
So why are you not talking the Derek so
the Gamorah says I'm going to tell you
why cuz the mission wants to tell us in
a very subtle way that even though the
both regards to everything else it's a
kosher carbon as a matter of fact we
treat it like
it's just like in a
it's a kosher carbon this is a kosher
carbon might have come in a also listen
if you would want to go and do another
now with a bad
you would not be allowed to and the
reason is because in the
are you allowed TO HAVE A BAD
BY IN THE THAT'S
NOT ALLOWED
RASHI SAYS THE TOP RASHI THAT BASE ON
THE BASE in the mission
how do you know you're not allowed to
have a base on the base by in the
folks and
carbon should take
Rashi in the same exact
in the same exact Gamorah says in the
MISSION
IT SAYS
IN THAT BASE ON THE BASE AND WE MOTIONED
why did Rashi in
that base on the base who saying GOOD
NOT SAY BETTER WHICH IS WHAT HE HIMSELF
SAID IN THAT BASE WHY DID RASHI say that
the reason the
cuz there's a
THERE'S A LOVE IT SAYS
AND WE SUGGESTED TO
WE SHOWED TO
IN THAT BASE on the base
who learns up in the the Rambam says
that you learn from me that the only
time there's a love of
said
is only if the carbon's going to be
possible. But if you would have a
where it's
said over there you would not be over
the
you would not be over the
as it relates to the over it's
maybe
is telling us the
what the
told us the
in
that's why the Russia didn't
we were
in the two of them the
which the says about a comment of hey
based on the over there that it could be
there's no
the when it comes to
forget about
could be the there's no
is the
people not by
we said what should that be totally in
the era if when a person has a
it takes away the
so the reason the carbon is possible is
not because I had a bad the bad is the
at the carbon is missing the
is my
the bad
or here is just THAT IT'S THE MY
or if you're going to tell me that is
and like the
so you can't take away the so what is
the
IT'S
COULD BE THAT'S WHAT IT'S TOTALLY but
I'll go this day WAY DIDN'T SAY
COULD BE IT'S BASED on the fact is when
it comes to
but there's no
but this guy and you have a third
we have another
maybe what actually didn't say
cuz it could be only
but according to the
according to the
in the
in the days and in today's
we have a
that hold that
and if you have first it's
and then
it's considered
And like the they can't be
but like the
says
it's because OF
AND THAT'S PREDICATED ON
NOT BEING ALLOWED LIKE THE GOING SAYS IN
THE
ALL OF THAT'S THE CASE THERE'S NO LAWYER
WE DON'T HOLD MY
WAY TO
THE MIDDLE IT'S TOUGH BASE. It's very
very
maybe that's why Rashi didn't say what
he said.