Zevachim 88

Today's is and we will begin from the Mishna seven lines from the top of today's being learned. So all kalin in the mikto were able to be divided into two categories and midy khal were kum that were used for liquids. Mido hayes were kin that were used for solids. Rashi says the reason the cle are described by the more general term cle and the mid are described by the more nuanced word mid is because the cle were made up of regular kalin. They were also made up of mid. They were made up of caum whose purpose was to measure as opposed to the kaum that were used for y. The ones that were used exclusively for yavish were mid and that's why they're referred to as but the bottom line is there were that we use for the kaum that were used for. So the Mishna says that if you want to be mad, you put it in a if you want to bead, you put it in a in fact could not be something that was and the couldn't be mad something that was going to get into this a little bit if there was a kling in the bush and it has a hole in it right now. So the question is does it maintain its status as could it be something in the ability that this ki is still able to function the way it was able to function while it was hold then it would be able to bead but if not doesn't have the ability to be mad says the only time has the ability to be mad at all is if the kali is in the a It's if however the kali is outside of the then it does not have the ability to be mad. Either way this is a Mishna that talks about the mikdash being why are we talking about this because it's to the topic of the bar. We're learning about the idea that was able to be madesh even the fact that the kvish was able to be madesh kin were able to be madeshul. So here's an idea that talks about Ka being mcadesh albe it not in the context of just being mad part and parcel of the process of something attaining was putting it into a kali those kum were divided into hence the first of the ka had to be complete hence the second of the and finally the third of the mishna was that the only time the caim were mad is if they were in the said as it relates to the that was only taught with regards to the so if you had a ki that was used for measuring for measuring and now you put inside of it so the cle or the would not be able to beadish but a regular kay that was used for not to measure but for whatever function for example what was the mis used for so in the event you would take just a regular and you would put a inside of it the mission would not apply and now we know that this is from a rather well-known the says it's referring to the carbon of so amongst the carbons to learn this P a little carefully was a car is a plate it was it was silver it's one how much did we in addition to that the carbon involved in it was also made of it was a little bit lighter and what they put into the and into the mis into both of them. It was it was filled with mixed with which of course is a carbon. But either way says that the says that when the brought that carbon they took a they took a mis and inside the and the misra they put a carbon. Now what's from that the and certainly the mis were these were kum that were typically used for and now you're taking the inside. you're putting inside a m I I thought the and the have this big barrier separating them. So what's going on here in this that we read 12 times, right? And again, so what's going on in this? How could you have these that are with a inside of it? And it sounds like the kay is being oh must be that when the says that and the and the were not and it's for that reason this is not going to be initial but the says he heard and he told I don't understand the is not the it's blue the says so to the extent that there was oil mixed inside of it I think it's and that's why it worked but if you would have a regular he would have dry soilless without the she inside of it and it wouldn't work even for the even for the told him he told him it's not true because every time you have a even if you mix it with oil there's always going to be a little bit of soil that was not that doesn't have so much oil inside of it so within the that's not and even that was the Scottish so you're right the is not from the entire the is from is saying alternatively you can answer differently even though it's true that the is not maybe in the most generic sense and if you looked at it in a vacuum you might say it's a but relative to what the and the mis was used for it actually is y because the kum were used for dam primarily and if you were going to compare the There's no question in the world is more than hence felt that he had it right. But either way, not such fine print his asterisk ones. What's only true if we're dealing with butch and his was from a very very well-known another member that said related to said three things in machin and in what do these three things mean? So Ashley explains it means essentially the only time a kay could be mad is if the ki is shulling. If however there is a hole inside the kali and it's not able to do what it's supposed to do. It doesn't have the ability to be mad. That's number one. This is also a rashi. This is a rashi. What does it sound like a machin? The only time you can be mad if you fill up the cup. Hence the k says rashi. It's not what it means. A machinima means that whatever you're being mikadesh inside the kali right now has to be a full shear of that thing. So for example, if you're going to take uh soy and you're going to put it into a kali right now because you want to be mad. So there's a shear of how much it has to have whatever it is. So you have to have the full isar in there. So it's not Malayan that the entire kali needs to be filled but it's the content which is the actual kadesh has to be mole it has to be a full shear of it it's not the literal meaning of in machin and it's for that reason Rashi says the word and finally that's easy the only time the kal can be mades is if it's inside the borders of the kal the garra is going to say what lauk mid That's a term you find sometimes mid means that let's say there's a little bit of overage. So you put cellulus inside a kali and then it has like a heap on top. So the cup is this full and then on top of the perimeter of that cup that misa whatever it is there's a pile of additional only what's literally within the conf of the actual kali is what becomes kadesh but anything that's on top of it even though it's technically inside the kali but it's not it's not mish inside the borders of the kali it's for that reason that would have in Scottish as well. But anyway said three things and there was another check also check the third thing according to the second was not but rather what does mean it's also means it has to be it has to be in but in the event that the k is outside of the it doesn't have the ability What's the between the two of was in the third thing, right? According to the first according to the second, right? That sounds like what they're arguing about. But the we mentioned a minute ago means as opposed to sounds like would be okay. Now notice the garra says then would be only with regards to the meaning the first holds second does not hold. What about in the reverse the second holds and the first doesn't hold. So that you can't say and the reason is because which is the same as says there was a that put it all together. The Bryce had as follows. It actually had all four meaning it had the first two that overlap between the two and it had the two/3s which gives you 1 2 3 4 and it's not a steer to have all four. Right? just to clarify me stating the overwhelming obvious and that is even though the Gmorra said that there's a nay between the two but it's not like there was an explicit mus right it's not like there was something said in one that contradicts what was said in the other the reason there's a between the two is related to an emission meaning you could have a ba that's going to mention everything that the first listener had and everything the second they had and there's not going to be any steer in the bry the only reason there was between the two listeners was because of what was not said. But if you want to say all four, for sure you're able to say all four. So we basically have three in this. The first is the second. The third which is another man as relates to the which actually explained means you have to have the full share. If you don't have the full share, it will not become. That's only true if when the person the ken started putting this into the ki he was to only put what he put in not to be meaning he put in and he had no intention to ever be but if when he put in the he had in mind to put in the full and of course it's going to be meaning don't misinterpret and think that when the kim puts the contents into the ki he has to put the whole in the like a brisket eats his gazayas by the sed you don't have to do that you could do it a little bit and the idea is it's going to be as long as your is to be it's going to be okay this is actually it says now where does it say so it's the we mentioned earlier you want to know what means it means now this is a little bit tricky because it actually says over here means the full what meant when The Bryce that we're talking is what Schllayman means here. Schllayman here does not mean what Schllayman meant earlier. It means what meant earlier. But either way says you have to put in a full what is that? That's only if your was not to be if your was to be then for sure the whole thing is going to be either way. So we had two members from one was a comment on the Mishna and then the other was a mime related to the Mishna. The comment was that when the says the depending on the listen now is going to bring another comment on the Mishna. this time not from but rather from some say it wasn't some say it was possible when the Mishna says that a is not it means it doesn't give it to that it needs in order for you to go and be mad on the so the kadusha that kum requires in order to go on the mb it sometimes needs needs a cliche for and if it's a it can't get that kadusha from however it would become for it to now be able to become what does that mean so Rashi says once you something at that point that thing becomes hectish m let's say however as it relates to some of the more nuance that you find in kachim for that the fact that it's hectish is not enough. It needs a kadusha. Once it has the kadusha, now becomes more susceptible to different. How does it receive that kaducas? It depends what you're talking about. But very often it happens through a a so says when we say the can't be it means we to give it to actually go on but it could give it for it to be more susceptible. Rash gives a few examples of what type of it's now susceptible for if a full touches it it would become possible but a lot of the you find for that it would need a clear could bead even there was some that had regarding a related it's also That's interesting. So you can't bring all the different types of and additionally from actually says means what it usually means. We'll see in a second. And that is where there's a voice of and you're not sure what exactly this is. So if you have such a voice and you want to use the voice now to bring us as or it goes without say that if you have or if it's with that it's not that it's not going to be okay and let's say the person went ahead and brought it. not going to be all these things can't be brought from that even if you did it's not going to be fun that's the formulation that's when we say that it's notes means it can never attain to actually be able to goes but if you put it into aes to the extent that it would be able to be possible so this is not much the same exact where we're bifurcating reading the kadush versus the apostle said it some had it on and some had it on that by the way speaks out again this is obvious and that is that this must be going on of that never was on the anyways you put it next to the but you didn't actually put it on So for sure that's going back not now why is it that why not why can't you bring it from say there's a big rash over here rashi says the reason is because we know one of the that underpin is and we learn from the words and being that this right now cannot be eaten so it's for that reason it's That's why it's possible to be born as a freight to you can't eat madma. Of course, you can eat mama. Now, not everyone can eat madma, but someone can eat madma's allowed to eat madma is only when no one's allowed to eat it. But if you have who eat kachum anyways and they're allowed to eat the madma, there's no reason in the world. That should be a problem of so what then does mumma mean? The duma always means a of here it must mean not a of here it means au of that's to everybody no one's allowed to eat that and that of when the price that says what it means is where it's not where it wasn't where it's but says there's no way in the world if you would have that And you wanted to use that now to bring us a in other words we have a very between tucked away at the very end terms of what the definition of Israel is. According to Rashi the mashk means all Israel is allowed to eat it according to it's enough that some would be allowed to eat it. But either way, so what was Rab's comment on the Mishna? When the Mishna said, Rab's comment was however that yes comment was comment. So the Mishna had talked about uh that has a hole and the question is does it have the ability to be mad? Does it have the ability to be mad? And the Mishna gave a very simple rule. Mishna said so on this idea that has a hole in it. So the question is can you fix it? You are not allowed to be mashi says the process of mat was they would melt the metal around the hole which would cause the metal to become a little smaller right to tighten a little bit which would ultimately close the gap and that hole that was inside the ki this is a basic move that the blacksmiths used to do it's not something you're allowed to do when it comes to another move they had sometimes was is they would melt lead into the kay. This is also not something you're allowed to do. Let's say there's au says is where the damage is a little bit more intense. So that would require a little bit more of a tick. Can't do it. Let's say you have a knife that was so sharp anymore. See, now let it go ahead and try to file, right? To try to make it a little sharper. Let's say the blade of the knife fell out of its socket out of the handle and not let it return. There was a second and they used to cause animals to be a trad and the took a vote. That's what literally means and they ended up going ahead and hiding it. So the Bryce gives a whole bunch of is related to what happens if one of the cliches goes a little bit bad. You would have thought I don't know fix it. It'll be ready on Tuesday. That's what you would think you should do. Kamash on the Bryce. You're not let do it. Why not? So Rashi says, "I'm going to tell you why." Because in a man that has a kali that goes bad, he fixes it. A that has a kali that goes bad, he sells it, gets rid of it, he throws it in the garbage, and he buys a new one. And it's for that reason you have to related as relates to the big. So they were not sewn. They were woven. So it's not it's pretty straightforward. The P says that's the way they used to make the big day in the event that they become soiled. This is the part that we really want. So you're not allowed to wash them. So she says these are like different types of detergent soaps. So you're not allowed to wash them. So the says one second sounds like from the bright. So you're not allowed to wash them with detergents. But if you want to put it in the sink and just wash it with a little bit of water so the stain will still be nicker. What that you're allowed to do, right? It's just the opposite. You would think of anything you can wash it only with detergent. So it's going to look nice and clean. It look fresh as opposed if you're only going to wash it with a little bit of water. Because it is we have to explain the price is a little bit different. The price means is as follows. In the event that the stain is such that if you put a little bit of water on it, the stain would go away, then but if the stain is such that the only way to remove it would be with detergent. So when the B says it doesn't mean or of it doesn't mean that that way not what we're talking about is what kind of stain is it if it's a stain that requires then period and if it's a stain that doesn't require nal then period so I don't care how you're cleaning it what I care about is is it that the type of stain that requires well then you're not allowed to clean it if not not the the price that brings the that says you were never ever ever allowed to And the reason is and the minute you're going to go ahead and clean it. So already you're acting like an again you don't send to the cleaners you open up a new shirt. So that's what you're supposed to do. Now Rashi speaks out that even though it's only the said really the whole not the whole even the is that he's just saying to me means you never ever send the suit to the cleaners. Takama says you never send a suit to the cleaners. It depends. If it gets like really messed up, then I agree with you, but otherwise not. Again, these two prices are clearly now the is going to do something is going to pivot a little bit. And really is like the closest you get to in right in some you would say this is we're about to learn but inv this definitely counts very much as it's going to be related to the bigun as we're about to see there's a few famous classic here not classic as in the briskum classic as in miraulo and nasal classic. This is more and classic. Again, it's related to biguna. Why are we talking about big duna? So, this is a digression from the digression because the Mishna had talked about a kay that is not able to function properly. Remember the very much could you fix a kayak? By the way, in the same vein, you never send the big day to the cleaners or maybe only sometimes. Oh, we mentioned the big day. Let's have a little bit of fun says the as it relates to the that was one of the big it was made up 100% of now what is that's something that has mystified the world now for a very very long time but it was how do we know that the say pretty straightforward what about the hem of the mill what did that look like so the truth is there's one pekk That's to learn together before we see this next. It's describing the I'm skipping one on the on the hem on the bottom of the mill. You should put so on the hem on the bottom of the you should put pomegranates. Pomegranates like real pomegranates. No, these pomegranates are made up of they're made up of those three materials. It should be all the way around the bottom of the mail. Additionally, and you should also put so what are they made up of? Not but rather they were made up of gold. And next says that's what the bottom of the mill look like. There's a big what exactly the P means when it says says so you would have that's basically what's going on. So there would be a pal in between two has a big here. The one line that we want from the Raman is I disagree with what Rashi says. I think it was literally because were hollowan's getting that from the gar we're about to learn. They were made like a that's still on the tree where the top of the didn't open up yet. And these bells were hidden inside of them. you were inside you'd be able to see it. The point is is according to the Ramban it doesn't mean in between but rather you want to know what the word means it means it was literally and physically inside either way this B is going to elaborate on this a little bit so again as it relates to the actual mill that's easy it was the whole thing was made up of but what about the B says maybe he brought those three materials based on and they put it into a shape. So it looked like a re of pomegranate that hadn't started opening yet. Another description of it. They look like kuno the cones of the kunas. Rashi gives this whole description over here. Ashi says buttons. Bas gives this whole description about these hats or these helmets that the kids used to wear when they used to play and they had a certain shape and they were closed. And either way, that's another way of describing you had to be there what exactly this looked like. And then he would bring 72. So we're putting a number to the amount of here that was not mentioned in the past. 72 bells. Inside the 72 bells, there would be 72 clappers, right? That's the two parts of the bell. And on the two sides of the mill, she says the two sides mean the front and the back of the mail. Each side had 36. It was 36 in total. Not 36 on one side, 36 on the other side, but 18 on one side, 18 on the other side. Either way, the BR just described a little bit better what the middle was like. The middle itself was what about the said the so the added word, right? You have to mix them all together. Okay. Additionally, when we say, it's what that means. As far as the go, how many either it's 72 or it's 36. The tan says it's 72. 36 in the front, 36 in the back. It's 36 in total. Not 36 on one side. 36 in total, 18 on one side, 18 on the other side. As it relates to we are relative to the price discussed that we mentioned a second ago says the same that you have was it 36 or 72 in terms of the amount of you also have inus how many different are there how many different colors of So you see these two was a 36 72 made an interesting observation right it's just an interesting observation oh weather 3672 have the same exact sh 3672 now we're going to learn the next kamar and then we'll speak out of that adds a little bit of richness to the depth of the ofasan It's not just some frivolous. Oh, you want to see these two numbers 3672 you have. Now, it could be that the of the first is of this Mishna. And if that's the case, then it's not just in two cases, you have a situation where is the one that says 36. Now, the first Bryce has said in the name of Yehuda. The Mishna said benhorin coulda benhorin be saying tora in the name of rahuda. So we have to remind ourselves a little bit who's replaced. He's mentioned very prominently as in very prominently in the end of the first when he took on and which would seem to place him before not sure but the bottom line is said that just like you have this regarding the was 36 to 72 you have the same exact regarding Maris was it 3672 just in case this cash is bothering you and this is also a say how many maris are there it's either 36 or 72 freight You forgot the first we didn't learn this that long ago. So what's going on over here says that over there it's talking about here the were white white but if you want to learn the whole then you can see the numbers much more it's either 36 or 72 either way you don't see every day. So the just mentioned says let's see another why did the put the par ofus next to the par of teach just like you know it's interesting the whole premise of what is about to say I mean you would think they would be next to each other right they're very much For example, just to bring out the point to teach me. Usually if there's a between two par and you're trying to dash in something, it's because right pun intended. But over here obviously they're going to be somewhat related because they're both the whole premise of the is a little bit interesting but the bottom line is said to teach you and then went and he mentioned eight different types of big and specifically what it is that those big day are for and the first one is not because it's this week's par because the says and it's referring to the who went ahead and they were against so they take the and they put it in d and from here we learn from here we learn that was. Now, where do you see it? Now, a few things. First of all, that wasn't a real it almost was a till and then saved the day, but it wasn't. So, there was no dam over there. There was a maybe, but there was no she says the is as follows. The macar is because the word and the is that the as in so it's a little bit more of a we're not taking it out so much from the because it was really no over there either way says So the idea of the literally means to cover the but there's an idea to be the hat was against how do you know that this is not learned out from but this is very tall it's on the top of the for the idea of which was too tall was for bad thoughts. What's the used to be the a little bit higher than you think it was and because it was for that reason it's related says. So we know what the trough is. We have a whole here on what the trough was. But the way Rashi explains the is if there's no then you're going to have the by the way this is assuming that which is part of that rail because the mill made a lot of noise. How much noise did it make? Oh, there were 72 or some say 36 bells. So, it really made a lot of noise. And the context over there is that the person is behaving like a in that it's just with a with absolutely no regard for anything. And it says, "Hence we have a said that the reason said in his first memo that the 367 72 with regards to the is similar to the 3672 is because said that the was on the and we know that it's because of the that means the and the unbeknownsted are very very much related. In fact, they're both for the same exact for I don't think this is 3672 3672. There's a little bit of an over here because it's so interesting to me that the two things that are on both of them you find this is 3672 that's the that we mentioned we were going to get back to but ask on two things gave you a list of eight things and what exactly these there are two ideas two that you don't find anywhere that a carbon was. However, you do find there's no mention anywhere that there was a carbon that was stating that I know that yes and now how do you know? Well, that's a par, right? That's of doesn't have to go through that. That's something that's very very obvious. Mar doesn't have to go through that. That's not anywhere. So for that we need a taught the following. That's in par when brought and it was and he explained it in the yeshiva of the was born because was born and the is often spoken but the bottom line is faith what's the said that what's here we have that say that was and said it was the we learn it from that's what happened and we have here that it wasn't it was the by that's a that's not even negotiable over So says that no it's not as it relates to as it relates to was when we don't know who the is right that's part of when we do know who the interrupts and says I never know that was when you know who the is because in that situation the person's anyways says no it's talking about where somebody killed so therefore there's no misdin we know who killed. So it's not that either. What's as it relates to that's also not fair the mill which was as opposed to the which was that was and on that note So just to end with one light it's a that I saw in the same from it's in par it's in perk alf in the shuvus which was written by that's a big mystery the stated author of Shub's was a great whose name was Rabesco stating that we have a whole raid bite on this there's a fascinating that was written by Shalom and passed away recently. But the great of this fire world, they wrote this very very long proving beyond a reasonable doubt that was not a real person. It was a pen name and really the author of the Benes. But we digress. So in this is in the asks two questions. The first question that he asks is he was learning the riff in which by the way is my he was learning the riff and the riff brings the entire memor of that big just like so to the big. Now everybody knows that the riff only brought on in contrast to the who brought the riff only brought what's 100% and the asks that the riff omitted half of because it's so why in the world did he bring me is not something we have today it's a hill and if that's the case the rift should not have brought it What's and why the brought this writes back to the and he tells him you're 100% right of has no relevance. However, think about said there were eight different right that eight different a and he went through and he delineated which is for which a he has a you have you have but then you also have things that maybe you wouldn't have expected to find there for example aus You have the idea of even says what you see from is that on some level that are maybe to the and the riff loved that that emerges from and that's why in his he brought something that because it's not but he brought it for this This is in the last line of big day the big day were referred to as the big day. Why they refer to as big day? Why that? So he said were it not for the fact that had big would not be able to survive. The only reason we were able to exist as a nation was because of the fact that they were big dayuna and being that this right survivor. So the big day kohuna are referred to as big day cuz it's the secret to the survival of the Jews. When do you find that the big would be a reason that we would say because he can't bring carbonus without bigo. So that are forb. That's how we're able to survive. SO THAT are a cause. Then if you take a look at the says and it's mentioned in different places in that parish to the parish of to teach you that means the big and go through the for it's so you see that the big day plays a tremendous role in giving. So says the I don't think you have to come on to the big it's the me of holds like that me and that's why and that's why he held that the big day referred to as the big because that was attained from the big day from the big day was so fast that says there's when we say that biguna are they only when the kahhan were wearing the big duna or are they even when the kahhan were not wearing the big duna so the say that at first glance is a very obvious susha and that is we know that the tits was mirata Kachcha 101. What does that mean? So if there was some element of tommo in the of a carbon, the tits had an ability to be to make believe that there was really no and there's going to be there's and other places whether the tit was only when it was literally on the on the forehead of the or whether it was even when it was not. So at first glance that you would think that this Shiloh whether the big were only when the were wearing even when the were not wearing would be totally undead. If you hold that was so you see the of the big the power that the biguna have is only that does a actually wearing it but if a's not wearing it it doesn't have power doesn't have power to be it doesn't have power to bear either. If you hold however that was even so then you can argue that the same would be true with regards to now it's not that that's because it could be there's a between right that's as opposed to the fact that's already that it could be as it relates to that the fact that there's big that alone would have an ability in that piece has a whole of different this way and that way. I'm just going to mention one and that's from the and this is printed in of which was written when the lived innets it's a gave in the year that's 1798. So in the middle of a piece says one line the big day that the big day used to be. Wow. All the were also and even they're hanging on the hook. It's in your CLOSET SOMEWHERE. THEY STILL had an ability to be and says it's what I'm telling you now is that the big and the and even so had ability even when the wasn't wearing them even when it was even when it was even after he brings us he says the em is I found there's a pish Yum from one of the and this is from Rabenu. He was from one of the on this followed like the one. But listen to his he says as follows. TODAY. It's not the that was done when the was the biguno. It's the of the big dayuno. And he just added one thing. We still have them. What do you mean we still have them? You have the big day. You ever saw the big dayuna said and when they're in when they're in they have the ability to be now the big day is in it comes really from it comes from where talks about the and when they used to do the by the so some of them were on the paras and the sh was did it go literally on the paras or did it not go literally on the paras and And theor said one of the tan said I was in and I saw them and on the he had that's it must have been literally on the but the bottom line is there you find that the which is one of the is but the truth is innas on that he quotes it's at the very very very end of it's almost the last piece there were certain things in the that were hidden. Meaning the Yidden hid these things when they realized that the Bikto was going to be and all these things were hidden. That is another list. I'm sorry. says to officer, those things were taken to Rome and they weren't just taken to Rome, but they're still in Rome. But what's the bottom line? What do you see from here? You see from that when the says that the have an ability to be it means that of the big and it's based but for that even in even when there's no even if they're in the Vatican EVEN IF THEY'RE STILL HAVE AN ABILITY to be that the LAST he asked in why would the rift BRING SUCH HAS NO TODAY IT'S NOT TRUE and if it's not the one thing I this is all but this brings out very very you know this whole tuml Where's the caim of the Bikto? The lost arc. Where the biguno is it in Rome? Is it not in Rome? The Vatican not the Vatican right by the way that's a whole another element of the we spoke about this when we learn that's the iron related rebite for that. That's a whole another schmoo because it could be once the enter the Bikto. So at that point they were the of the and the you would think too wouldn't have any that's totally ready. That's a huge but the bottom line this whole that comes up we are the is because if the if the big dayun exists today we're getting and then we have that and if not then we're missing the big day we're missing those begotten that said whether or not the exist whether or not the begum exists. This is not just the raid of archaeologists and historians. This is something that's very much how much the rift in his pis where he brought only and only he brought the suguna exist or do the big day kahuna not exist.