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Today's d is
and we are at the two dots about 15
lines from the bottom of
so yesterday at the end of the do after
the raid we began the ninth
and perk madesh deals primarily with one
theme and that is a carbon that's
possible there's some that rendered this
carbon
now unfit to do the in the event that of
that carbon makes contact with the
misbeh
because of the kadusha that the misbay
gives this puzzle is if it goes on the
it does not come off the misb in terms
of Whichulim this is true for which this
is not true for that. We're going to see
it's the second mishna in the peric.
We're going to see a lot of details, a
lot of is a lot of lumbus as it relates
to this basic but again is a dustle that
comes in contact with the misbeh
what's it doing on the stating that is
if it goes on the
you're not supposed to remove it from
the we saw three in the in terms of when
exactly you say the
said
only a part of the MSB that a part of
the carbon whose was to go on the fire
of the MSB such as the of or the any of
the carbon that was supposed to go on
the fire of the MBH there the if it
touches the MSB it doesn't have to touch
the fire but if it touches the misbeh
it's going to be a
whereas if it was a something that had a
dent to go on the misbay but not on the
fire of the misbak such as dam
went on the misbeh
of the still is going to be
shim was a third said that the only time
you say that's only a of a carbon That's
but something that's because of
something else you don't have. So for
example somebody's so itself is
so the whole even the like said will be
however the used to come together with
the carbon that was the wine that was
poured on his behalf. So the being that
it's
so the would be
if somebody however would be
so
then the would be so according to Yeshua
it's
limited to anything that had a to go on
the of the according to everything has
the most inclusive
anything that has a to go on the misb
it's possible it makes contact with the
says it depends. He doesn't limit it to
the but what he limits it to it has to
be that's so
if it's not if it's
for example
what's the to the
so the already spoke out the Mishna said
that they both learned their from the
right at the beginning of
And the felt that the words are extra
and he is coming to teach me
something that goes on the notion but
something that goes on the even though
it wasn't supposed to have gone on the
but he
you're allowed to keep it on the what's
the
Yeshua says it says he The m was the
that was the so this is only true if
it's royally
says it's true it says but right
afterwards it says so is not limited to
but rather it is included in anything
that's the mentioned to the Mishna did
not mention the so today's d picks up
with a bryo that is going to do two
things number one it's going to tell us
the
additionally it's going to introduce us
to two additional shittas in the tan
and then the Gmorra is going to make
with the fiveas
says
it's the par of the carbon and we learn
from there
just like
meaning you don't bring a carbon when
you have a to bring something else. You
bring a carbon when you're when you have
to bring a carbon.
So too the only time you have that is if
it's a part of a carbon that's
as opposed to
that some carbon is required being that
those although it's a part of a carbon
that goes on
but you're bringing it because you have
a to bring a carbon I have a to bring an
so now I'm I'm bringing with my it's
you don't have
that wasn't mentioned in the Mishna is
mentioned in the is from the fact that
the mentioned the of
in the context of the
is a fourth
he says that the
is not but rather it's and the Torah
says mention the in its entirety
you should
is going to be not just
hell that that is the
even that touches the becomes
you would think from that
or even
so if you look at the next in par it
says
just like a sheep something that's
meaning you would have thought that if
there's
maybe anything meaning anything that
touches the becomes how do you know that
it's only something that's royal
from the calladesh
I don't know it where I know it is from
the next because the very next talks
about sheep sheep is an animal that's a
kosher animal. It's so from I know that
it has to be
says he too learns that the madesh is
that passing upon
how does he know that it's only so if
you put something random on the you put
a rock on the it doesn't get kadush so
he knows it from a different a few later
also in parish it says
so the over there is talking about a
carbon says
just like a carbon or something that's
so the only time
is going to be true is if the thing that
touched them is so in other words and
both learned that the
is not it's
from
being that it's such an inclusive PK you
would have thought that maybe includes
Even something that's not to the
misbehad
say that no how do you know not says
because the next talks about sheep a
sheep is it has to be to a sheep it has
to be says later it says the word
something that's it has to be something
that's
if I know from if I know
would
What about an we? We learned the whole
paragraph already. What would be if you
would have an that's possible
that learns it from? So includes
it includes an as well. So there's no
reason that an should be excluded.
However learned it from the word
it's not enough that it's it has to be
similar to a sheep. And just like a
sheep is a so it has to be but an is not
going to have that of it says
learns it from doesn't the say later and
it's interesting the feels that he's
going to have to do something with the
word as it relates to this so what does
he learn from the word he said soft
likes of had it only said
I would have thought even if the kev is
alive a live animal that touches in
Maybe there too you have.
So that's why the said that it has to be
in in a state where it's it's ready to
go on them
that it has to be from it says in the
next again thinks that each one is
somehow to the other one's tasty but
each one has to acknowledge the other
one's so what's going to do with the
word because had it said and not I would
have thought
is inclusive Maybe all maybe anything
that's on them
to teach me that it's true
and even it doesn't have to beim
literally
is inclusive but is also exclusive and
it's that is going to be excluded. The
bottom line is what comes out is both
according to and according to that learn
that the is not
but rather it's the passing of
they're both going to agree that a does
not have the
because according to
it's
not even an if an doesn't have au
certainly is not going to have and Even
Rabbi who didn't
to be he
but he too acknowledged that the word is
coming to be something and what's it
coming to so
is that is going to be excluded if you
go back to the
and
for that matter there's no reason
there's no in the world to be because
the was he anything that's on them
on the you used to take the and you'd
put it on the you would burn it even
though the of the corresponded to the
dam of the ze and the dam didn't go on
the mar but the kits did go on the mar
so at the end of the day that's what you
used to do with it you used to put it on
the misb and you used to burn it on the
so according to the all the even who
says there's no reason to exclude
because the is something
It's even royally and if it's
with
so it seemed then a very obvious between
the
and the would be what's the with regards
to do you have the do you not have the
according to the
is it's
hey according to the where you have the
word that's throwing for a loop here as
a result is
certainly it's also but it's definitely
that's exactly what the next law says
what's between
the
ice
according to the of
the way we just spoke it out. Now why
did say
what's the emphasis of it's referring to
the first line on the top of that
because the said
what does mean
because everybody agrees the biggest
liberal as it relates to what's included
in
would agree that at the very least it
has to be royal if you have a that was
never clean or at you ready you can't
keep on the that for sure is going to be
excluded that's certainly not allowed on
the so this
said on the top of the that
was explaining between the
he just emphasized
so is going to do a little bit of back
of the envelope arithmetic for us again
we have fiveon
as it relates to the
and really the broke it up into the
our namely Yeshua
that I mentioned the first of the per
and the
that's
mentioned in the BRA and the Gmorra is
just going to have some fun now within
between these five different opinions
says the
if Somebody is bringing a ma a that's
and it's talking specifically about a
incidentally the reason a was referred
to as a it's not because the carbon was
a carbon there was a carbon called a
carbon meaning wine was brought with
carbon but if somebody wanted he could
bead wine as a carbon and the entire
carbon
would be the wine was called because
part of the was wine. There was wine
that came along together with the mk. So
either way we're discussing a what's
known as a
where it's
you're not bringing the
together with a carbon and a had to come
along with a you're not bringing the
because you're bringing a carbon it's so
what's
according to all the it's going to be
with the exception of
it according to
is going to be what's the math according
to Yeshua and it's going to be why not
it's
so for sure is it's going to be went on
the
said it has to be this is a
so
it's only
the so
from doesn't have
what that's coming together with a
carbon. You're bringing an and you have
to bring
are you going to have or not? The
different Yeshua
because has a regular bit of
hold it's always Yeshua holds it has to
be it is goes on the fire
but according to everybody else
according to it's a why because it's
a and according to the price again it's
a why because
third case
what about somebody was
and
according to everybody it's going to be
so according to
the it's
because just like
as well so is going to be according to
in the Mishna the is going to according
to Yeshua in the Mishna the is also
going to
Why? Because it's not very good. It goes
on. It's like that. So being that it's
not going to be according to and
according to Shim, it's going to be
according to it's going to be because
it's always and according to it's also
going to be because never limited
to or not. What he limited it to was
this is
therefore is going to be
this is all very
together with so you have
according to everybody it's going to be
it's only then it's going to be let's
work backwards according to the it's
going to be
because it's excluded from
according to
it's going to be
according to Yeshua it's going to be
because it's not it didn't go under fire
it's only according to where is going to
be you want to know we're only who again
is has the most liberal
understanding of when you say
when you have this concept of of it's
going to play itself outlish,
you know, put together some fun facts,
but this is all things that we could
have figured out. There's not one that
said other than the fact that he did the
math for us. Why did have to do this?
There's one in everything said that
wanted to teach us.
You know wanted to teach you what the
kadesh is notes. This is really a that
he could have said in some other place
in he wanted to tell us as a concept of
that was one of his variables that he
discussed. What would be
according to which
he wanted to teach us the mere fact that
there's a concept called
it was not so that you could bring a
it's a very unique type of so it's not
so that there's even such a concept
is such a concept but the says if that's
the case talk about taking the long
route and a having a roundabout way of
saying something very simple
If wanted to come into his maj one day
and wanted to say
there's a if somebody wants he could be
there was something called it came
together with but you don't have to
bring it with you could decide that I
want to give
and you can bring it and it has and
that's probably what instead had
something called this
bra Some learned it from Paris, some
learned it from parab five different 18
different permutations. You should know
one of the things I mentioned was
you see there's something called that's
what I want you to know. That's the
takeaway says that's
wanted to teach me
should have just taught us.
You're right.
really what is wanted to teach was a
that very much relates to
and that is if someone brings
which was one of the cases that is
discussed what would be
so we know the is we've had it ready a
few times
we learned from the
we learned from there that you didn't
have to bring the
you could bring the zebra today and then
tomorrow it's okay. You would have
thought the whole carbon has to be
brought together doesn't have to be
brought together. So
what would be if somebody's bringing
but he's not bringing it the same day as
the he brought the on Sunday and he's
bringing the on Monday according to
where the is
if it's
when you bring those the next day do you
look at it as
because it's or no being that you're
bringing it on another day so maybe you
Don't look at it as
so if it became possible what would be
the according to I would have thought
that you could bring the next day.
So maybe if you do bring it the next
day, you should look at
that
always considered by even if you're
bringing it the next day. So that
according to the is always going to be
so the again theme of the per is
so if you have a dove apostle as long as
it's
al be it with the five different of is
going to be
now is that true for every single
meaning it doesn't matter how the carbon
became possible is always going to be or
are there some exceptions to the role.
We're going to see now it's
the following are
and this was already mentioned earlier.
If you look at the
a carbon that was
or if it was we spoke a lot about that
the last two days a carbon that became
or the carbon is pig
or if apostle was
or apostle
so any one of those the carbon is poss
So you can't complete the can't do you
can't do you can't eat stating that
was done
or
if
I'm also so says there are three
exceptions to the rule when I'm also
says, "No, even those three cases that
you hold are exceptions to the rule, I
hold
any time the
means any that happened in the
if it wasn't a soul that happened in the
Azor or said differently, it's not a
soul that had to have happened
says, "I'm gonna help you." I'll give
you some examples of aesha.
If the animal was either or
it was set aside, it was actually used
for
it was used as an
it was swapped for a dog.
and it was born cician or if it was any
one of those cases these are
that's not
happens in theor says that's
those are all but where it's not it's a
it was trampled the says that's where
the tra usually takes place these are
notes meaning that that's what is going
to
So one of the things mentioned was
said
that my father used to be.
So what happens if you have uh carbon
that's possible the carbon is now on the
im it's everybody holds that it's going
to be now it came off the m do you say
that once it touched the it got so now
even though it came off the I can go
ahead and put it back on the or not says
the
have to know what
is but just like
also that if it goes off the you can't
put it back on the
if the animal went on the
top of the
you should skin it like you do with
every
and you should
too. The Gammor is going to discuss this
in very great detail either way. So we
have
when exactly you say when you say
according to it seems that it's always
with three exceptions
and
those are the three times where
according to it it depends on is it or
is the name
is
if it's
when is
and then the mentioned
what's the regarding
said is because it's an animal doesn't
have to get a
said
it's interesting if you take a Look at
the ram and so the ram says that is like
that even though
but we don't pass like so
he asks that we know the says that
is always like so is always
Why did the rab asking over here like
where the is over there is discussing a
completely different what they used to
do with some of the leftover it's
related to and it's
the
ask
so is always like why did the rakin like
and he says a beautiful I don't have it
in front of me but he says it could be
that being there and worked in the Bikto
he was the the very famous
as a result he was more bucky in these
things and that's why even though
ordinarily when it comes to
he was
says why you giving the with me give it
better to his greatness and learning was
unparalleled but on a practical
see he knew what the was he knew whether
the should be that you take those
leftover and use it for this or if you
use it for that. So in the same vein the
ram's like
I mean
it was a he brought from a from a real
life story that that's what happened he
brings incidentally in that same piece
does brun that he heard from Shapiro
founder of amongst other things that why
the scan
what's this he said presumably because
when did serve he served the Bay and
during Bay there was a lot of turnover
with the Khan so he wasn't just a scan
he was there were many but he himself
always remained the which reminds me of
something we spoke out once from the
office that's a perish that he wrote on
on so
that there should be peace in the
government so he says something very
nice he says that was always the he goes
down as he was vice president for like
30 years. So it's it's very rare. I mean
you would have thought at some point he
would have ran for president and
probably won. Why do go down in history
as the scan the second in command right
the ra when he describes the kod he says
he was like the which essentially meant
he didn't have any responsibilities but
if something would ever happen to the
presidents and then the vice president
becomes the most powerful man in the
world. It's the same thing. The the
kangle didn't have any major stellar,
but at the same time, if something would
happen to the he would step into his
shoes and he would now become the
so guy was always the he was always
this. He says the probably is cuz he
served in and he had you become old
school, right? You had to show up in a
briefcase. That's how you became the
god. You had to pay for it. People paid
their way in. The gar tells stories
about, right? That was the way you
became.
He says maybe he didn't have money or
more likely probably didn't want to pay
to be the he want to get involved in
this kind of corruption. But the bottom
line is that's why he was always so his
punch line is is what saying
you would have thought this he said you
would have thought that
who was a victim of the system. He was a
victim. Who are you paying off? you were
paying off the sh that's who you paid
off. you pay off the king. That's all
the the the theukim and if you ever read
and right this is the time of year but
but if you ever read that you would it
was it was so that's who you would pay
off. You would have to pay off the king.
So he was a victim of the corruption
that happened in government. So you
would have thought if he wasn't a very
happy with what was going on but he
understood
it's not about me. The bottom line is
the big picture is you need peace in the
government because we don't have maybe
that's why he didn't make a fuss but the
bottom line is that he goes down as the
but
you see who he was not just as he's
mentioned throughout you know was killed
on the same day as so we all know the
story of
they were killed it's in the escar the
so but on that same day it's the talks
about that people used to fast on the
day that they were killed. I think it's
I'm not sure but they used to fast on
the day that they were killed and says
who was killed on that day
and
either way. If we have
with regards to
when exactly you say according you
always say with the exception of those
three things according to it depends
that elaborates on this that's going to
take us till the end of the
says the
is the of it's the of that mentioned in
our it's paras
In that
there's three it says
he the word he is always a mute and the
is also
and it's you have a par of
you also have three what's in the night
all three of those cases is the is
also says it says
those three things
those were all the who mentioned in the
now he asks
What do you see from this line in the
holds?
Because
who cares that you put it in the wrong
place? It's a good obviously heals
which by the way although when you learn
the for the first time it seems like
it's
in
but really as we've spoken out a few
times already it's that is really also
but either way
how do you know all these cases
It's always
what's the real even the three things
says he's continuing in the
we're going to be
so I would have thought you should also
It also says also so you have to be but
you also have to be
has a long list that he's
not as long list that he's but but how
do you know which one to pick? How do
you know what to be?
etc. that the positive was
but it was also the word.
It makes more sense to be the
exclusive to the
holds. No, there are three things that
are excluded. How does Rabbi know the
three things that are excluded? Again,
says again, so we know how
mentioned in the
has three, but the question is how did
he know what to use those three things
to be
three but how do you know what to be?
That's this next part of the
why is the
if the was
you know why because
the
how do you know is
the reason is because by you find a
concept that lena is going to be what
does lena mean? means that it stayed up
overnight literally right so it was up
overnight you're supposed to iss
the sun set and now you had not done
this yet the dam was officially lurim is
supposed to bring at night so if the sun
rises the next morning and you didn't do
the murim yet so now there's absolina on
these so there is absolina on there's
absol
every carbon had its time when you were
supposed to eat it. If you didn't eat it
by that time, it's what we know as the
baser
becomes posating that there's a
different time frame in some carbon for
the damim versus the of the eaten lawn
of dam happens a murim always happens
the next morning.
You have two days and a night to eat. So
if you're bringing a carbon schlom and
now the im were not mktar during the
night. So now it's already the second
day you have the im. So the im apostle
but the baser which is a piece of meat
from the same exact animal is still
going to be kasha. So once you find a ka
there's a sad ka in the because at the
same time that the werele the buser was
kasher that's a reason says to say
that's enough of an excuse to say it's a
ka it's a crack in the it's true that
right now they what's but I'll find you
a ka in you know what the ka is is that
this same animal has bas and the basel
doesn't have lina now is going to ask in
a few lines from now. That's a koola.
This and the boss are just like this and
it just happens to be a different man.
This man didn't come yet in terms of
when the should be with regards to the
boss. So the gar is going to ask the
kasha but for now that's what the gar is
saying felt that the reason when it
comes to
is because there's a ka what's the ka
it's possible to have an animal where
there's lina on of the carbon and not
have le on the other of the carbon buser
on the second day there's no yet on the
buser although there is on the that's
why it's
you want to know why is that
Obama
cuz I'll find you a cool as well by
Obama. Is there
you can be you can make Obama anywhere.
There's no tobama. Rashi says in
you can make even in
there's certainly a ka in the in the
even though there's no carbon in the
world. What you could have invas but
the only time of eating if you eat from
a carbon that's if there was a
sauce
that's one of the biggest
that you'd have to you'd have to do the
in a carbon in order for the carbon to
be pigled. Thus you find the carbon
piggle it has to be brought as a carbon.
So being that you find that there is a a
concept of a zika in a carbon piggle
albeit to make it possible and to
establish but there is a in piggle
that's enough to say that you find that
it's possible that a carbon that was
done pigle should have some what about
meaning there's no
byle is only with regards to the pigle
And there's only of there's no but
there's a heckage between
that's why you're going to say
as well. What about
where do you find that apostle could do
the
we don't mean we mean we mean who can do
the
as long as you meet those guidelines.
So, so too those is going to be
says you now I know cuz all my examples
of are examples of where although
they're possible but you find the you
find maybe a part an area in where
doesn't apply or you find some other as
opposed to the three things
you never find is going to be
those three things you don't have
being that you don't have it's for that
reason in those three cases is going to
be but the ask
what was the first thing that said you
know why there's a ka in l because
there's no on the second day with the
column that's a ka there's bas you just
have another day to eat it you know why
it's a moer because there's a ka what's
the ka there's no y by that's a ka
there's
That's why there's no would be there's
but
it's okay.
Could you bring me a for a
meaning it was or it was
from a case where it wasn't simply
because it still does it's still it
wasn't because there's no so it doesn't
make sense. This can't be Rab Yehuda's
makart. This is a weak mart. Soar says
you're right. We know it's a weak mart.
Remember said in the raud started off
the he said that in the par of the
parish which is all there's also three
mutimas.
So there's three mutim in that. The
question was what to attribute the mutim
to says yehud. My methodology is is that
I'm going to say that anything that has
any even if it's such a that you can ask
a good you could ask a such as
or some other that you might have but
it's enough to say that when the wasba
it's probably included in the reboot as
opposed to the three these are examples
where you don't even have that little
butami if didn't have a pik he would
have never gone to war with this price
he would have never said I'm telling you
now I hold in that
should be because
should be
doesn't make any sense because
it
it's being that this is all really based
on a being that it's based on a for that
reason it was okay now the truth is a
lot of lness that we're going to have to
get to so I know we're working on a
summer schedule so we'll we'll have to
try to find some time that's just Hashem
to figure this out but the bottom
There's a lot of lumbar but it's a
little premature now anyways because you
know we really have to be a little bit
more familiar with the gimar before we
get into the lus but just to leave off
with one food for thought and that is
this idea of
according to the
oring
which teaches us that
so what happens of a carbon pickle
These are you have to get you have to
burn them. Now they wouldn't touch the
misb. So what's Oh, it touched the mb.
You leave it on the mah. What does he
leave it on the mah? You m the You
go ahead. You put it on the on the on
the you go and you burn it. You m it.
This idea of is it a din?
It's not a hak. It's just that being
that it became. So now that this kadush
there's a den that you put on meaning
are you being
was a very big deal
is is being piled tremendous things you
could only do with
maybe the
is that when apostle touches the it now
gets
and you could be not shar
but there's a hakra now on the stubborn
possible. Well, there's no
can't go ahead and be it. There's a
wants to touch can't take it off
now. You can't just take it off. It's
where do you leave it there? You put on
fire. But but not that there's a
mitzvah. There's no there's no there's
no. So which mahalak do you think they
go with in brisk? Of course the first
mahalak.
So there's a
and there's a
meaning when you bring a carbon there's
a there's two types of that you could be
with a carbon
and
has it
is really the entirety of the
is more limited to perkades and we'll
get into more of the lumbers this
hopefully in the next couple of