Zevachim 81

Today's daf is olive and we are 12 lines from the top of today's being learned as a fore and today's also being learned. So we're very much in the middle of a the general context is the ethic of which is where meets taru. The more specific context is different cases of taru where dam of a kasher carbon was nar with either dam of a different type of kasher carbon or with dam of a pus of carbon. The even more specific context is the Gammorra was discussing when two things that are come and combine into one or so let's take a step back and let's over a little bit what we did yesterday because it's very very pertinent for the entirety of today's the over there we the is the Mishna was discussing where a little bit of water fell in is needed to sprinkle on someone that's so that he could become if there's a little bit of water inside that's a foreign object. The question is how do we view this? Now it was said that whereas ordinarily you take you do one and the person's going to be over here the is going to have to do two say even two is not going to work in fact don't think it's going to be possible and the did a deep dive into understanding what is the between the raan and raasar and the garra said as it relates to the sheet of the raon it's predicated on three. Number one, number two. Number three, it's we assume that every that you're going to do is going to have and what proportion the proportion of the and the in the entire but we assume that there's going to be and the is a proper which means that you can't satisfy the with only one and infus you can't do it with two either as a result it's going to be impossible but the as it relates to rebar and the gar went through the whole the gumar said if rebel holds a well then that would explain why one is not enough but then why should two haz be enough aim would suggest that maybe the two things are not properly merged and when you did the first it was may when you did the second it was may well maybe when you do the third it's going to be m the fourth a may how do you know that when you do two a must be heold holds. But the Gumar continued and the Gmorrah said that if Rebel holds and he holds so just do one hah and everything is going to be okay. There's no all you have to do is get a little bit you know you got a little bit it's going to be okay. So the reba must hold that h is now if holds that the are not well then he's and then even two shouldn't be good. So the garra said presumably he holds that the armit. The problem is if he holds it, even if you did two, who said you got the share? It's very nice. But if he holds maybe you should eat three, maybe four, maybe five. The bottom line is the said, I know the as I'm a little bit confused and came out three and respectively. We went through the longer version yesterday. Now just to mention the said that holds and he holds and he holds what's the it's very nice but maybe you should have to do two three four or five I don't know how do you know that by the time you do the second everything is going to be okay there was one part of there was one part of once you do two everything is going to be okay so you can't be with one you could do two and when you do two you know for sure that you're going to get it right but said that is and he holds and if that's the case once you do one it should be okay because for sure you got in the reason you have to do a second is a because we don't want that people will go and wink wink add a little bit of mayam to their meatas to inflate it. How much is a little bit of water worth? Not a lot. How much is a little bit of meatas worth? Uh king's ransom. So it's for that reason to prevent something like that from happening said that you'll have to do a second. But according to said that holds holds that really there's no and if that's the case based on the Gar's initial thought you should have to do multiple haz because I don't know you should have to be maza everything in order to know for sure that you got to make why is it that two is going to be okay it's because there was a little bit of and the truth is because that was There was a little bit of water. So when you do one, maybe I got the water. But when I do a second one like that, I know it's going to be okay. But according to today's both held in what does it have to do with our has so much to do with our because the in yesterday's had two as it relates to trying to be this of whether or from the of today's top We're going to see multiple additional but the point is this. The point is that this sh of whether holds is very very relevant to the rebases that are permeating our right now. what's going on in our for this we have to go back to the Mishna the Mishna that started that continued on to which was really a Mishna that was to so many that we already saw in this paric and that is what would be if you have dam of one carbon that was with of another carbon the gave several examples of it was what's unique about that goes you have two carbonos that both go on the same part of the misb but they're down matanibal such as matalib such as and or if you had a tar of a matan dalid with a matan alf. So for example in the andar a whole bunch of different cases each one has its own unique perspective but one common thread in these is that the sheet of rebel is featured very very prominently and really the gammor is approaching high level that the way we view this suga should be very much tali in whether y Or so for example if is and you hold then every single time you're going to do a right now with this you're going to get a little bit of you're going to get a little bit of if you hold then when you do one are you getting could be getting the could be getting the which would then mean that you would have to look at this one way If you hold you'd have to look at the another way if you hold and being that is featured so prominently and we have this but he holds this is an amazing case study. It's an amazing exhibit. It's an amazing precedent. It's an amazing comparable to the that we're all learning. So the is the laws of the that we're learning right now is that was with other types of but is if you hold you would approach both one way if you hold you would approach the two sugis another way the is a macro shil it's a fundamental shil that can have implications in so many sug in our case it's a sug and Titus versus the Sugi of Kachum that are merging together via this common denominator via this principle. But either way, so what did we do at the very very end of yesterday's daf which is going to very much segue into today's again today's daf is very much a ham of the latter part of yesterday's theor had brought two tash both kashes on raashi who is the amongst the holds that the is remember both held inash was one that held and said at first glance I have two kashes from two of these cases now it's interesting Interesting. The two cases that the Gar brought initially were actually not cases of the Mishna but rather cases from a from a now the cases are very much which not shockingly is very often the way Mishn and Bryes are right the Mishna was usually the lion of that were talked about much more expansively in the Bes. But either way, these few cases that we have here in the Mishna is mentioned in the bryes and the initial came not from the Mishna. We're going to get to that later in the course of today's but they actually came from the Bryson. So what were the initial the case we're talking about where you had so with holds that you go and you're put the dam right that's the you can go and you could put the afterwards and put the dam I when you put the dam you're putting a little bit of that's not something you're allowed to do holds you and if you do that it's going to be okay but the cash was if you hold that holds then it's all good when you do the for sure there's also but I don't care then you'll do the for sure a little bit of not only don't I care we said that's even a good thing because once you do the you actually have to put the because it's going to be good but if you hold so what's this business that go you'll then you're going to be maybe it's maybe it's maybe you mixed up the whole thing. Maybe when you met you put when you went you put so you weren't because it all went and you weren't because it all went right the of the is good but if you put the whole it's not going to be okay. So to get out of those two cases was really two Tsh that the Gmorra approached from the same perspective you would have to say says the a bigash is the one that's going to have to make this obviously but is going to make an is going to be it's talking about where when the person did the he put all the dam that was there and some so at this point. Even if all the is there's also and if that's the case, you're guaranteed that you got the it says which sounds like that when you go the but to the extent and maybe all the there's no so why you for half of rebel. What about the other half says which the gumar is going to fall off in the course of today's dam is not going to like it. But for now the gmorra is willing to entertain it and the says that it could be when it says doesn't mean that all it means is either way that is a a recap and a precap and a segue and all the other synonyms thereof. And on that note, we're going to continue firing away with tash from our the trying to figure out initas and all these does he hold or could he even hold says the tshma I'll bring you from the next part of that affformentioned bryson in the event that again there was a tar between and the co went he didn't ask any questions And he did a everybody's meaning that once you went ahead and you did at this point if you want to do you could do not just that everybody agrees that you're going to be and you're going to be what's the kasha the kasha is how could it be that once you do a little bit of dam then if you also do dam for sure you're going to be why are you for sure going to be maybe you did the mala you did the and if that's the case why are we assuming that you're going to be soar says what do you mean we'll make the same that we made in the previous two cases the case will be again we already this whole that. So there's no reason not to be Mike in this case. Well, when you went you put all of the amount of dam that was there and some if that's the case for sure you were the now once you can go and take the and you could put and just to be clear here even the reason even is because what would be the problem to put the that's and even once you did the you could do the that's the whole point to the because you can't go ahead and put the cuz they're not willing to say I'm going to look at the but once I already did the at this point because I'm allowed to put and once I did the now so even I could go ahead and do but the says the bottom line is you're worried about what happens if I if this is but if you hold a don't we have the problem the same problem we had in the previous the answer is no. We'll make the same exact right make the same it's talking about but says I'll tell you why here I'm not happy with that but it says and sounds like that and now it's a very important felt he had to speak it So obviously it means it's could I to speak out and that is says maybe means that regarding the it's in that and as it relates to the to the right says the same that we made in the first two cases maybe make here as well. What did it say in the first two cases? What does it say here? Could mean that no sounds like the bonus of sounds like the and therefore even though that we were willing to bearish that means only but is actually beside the inside. So the bottom line is you see that your you got a little bit of you got a little bit of that's the ordinarily you're not supposed to only coin but once you did it even going to hold this okay but if you hold then there's no way it could be it can't be because even if you're going to make an aim why you for sure got because it's talking about you did the but then how do you know for sure you got the but the answers the had two things the said and then it said that's true even though they have and put it But once I put the dam they both agreed that I could go ahead and put the that's in this case which by the way is the is not that is the but it could be it's only true according to the it's not true according to according to rebel it won't be according to it What's the beer? So it's a very important rashy. It's posh, but it's a very important rashi because this whole shilah of was only a sharashi learned up in learned up in partic. But what did the hold in that? That was the first part of the recap of yesterday's dah and the for sure. according to there's no question in the world when you do you got a little bit of and then when you do you got a little bit of so according to the thought that but the says no it didn't say that right it's only it's and like speaks for us who hold another is already going to the mission. So the first three were from this which mirrors the this from the Mishna said what would be if you had a carbon who has a to with a carbon that has a to do. So for example, so what's very straightforward? Why does one work? Maybe you're doing for one, you're not doing for the other. They each have one mat. They're each they have the same type of, right? It's not even it's all identical. Oh, so just you know what do you mean? Means I'll be one. I won't be the other. Now if you then it's galdic because every that you're going to do is going to have a little bit of m a little bit of so like this you're going to get both. But if you hold a bilo and I just do one mat why am I not concerned? Why am I not concerned that maybe I got only the mister? I got only the bkar. So again if then I understand why says if however then says it's talking about where there's an equal amount there's one part one of one of and Rashi adds to that and you did two oh you did two that's why it's going to be okay but if you hold you can't satisfy your obligation with one you would have to two mat said what would be the two instead of both such as an so what's the is go ahead and do why you doing it's okay so if you got a little bit of got a little bit but if you're old then maybe I did I don't know two and two I got nothing over here this is going to be okay there's four parts there's four parts and you did all eight and that's how this is going to be okay the mission said what would be if a mat was a so for example was so what's the big time and said you do Yeshua said you dora that was the whole latter part of the Mishna but the point is that the Mishna says according to rebelazzar what do you do you do matan What's the cash the if you hold so then it's very good. Why is it very good? Because you're going to do four matas. Each one of the four matas is going to have a little bit of oil in it. You'll be what was the problem? What did not like about it? You're also going to have a little bit of in each one of these. It's true. It's true. But at the same time says this is not a problem with right is only this not. And if we do it your way, it'll be baltigra. That's the shock of the tire in the end of the Mishna. But the bottom line is I understand how we're satisfying everything. The problem is if you hold then doing is not even getting you what you need. Why not? Because maybe you're going to do three mat of one of how you right. You don't even know what you end up getting over here. If you hold I don't understand something else. will tell me maybe here too. Maybe the case is talking about what does it mean here too? In the case of we said it was it was the case of will be a case where it was. So you have five parts. Four of them are one of them is you're going to put all five, right? You're going to put all five. And that's means just like mat means put the two and mat means put the eight matas means go ahead and and put the five. So is saying go ahead and put the five. What does hold by the way? So speaks out holds. The only T we know that holds is I'll leave is going to be the going to hold and being that holds. So if Yeshua is going to hold just do one h one mat in of itself is going to be enough right he doesn't want you to do more because he doesn't want you to be but in that one at the very least you'll get the mat for thear and you'll get one for the as well but we don't understand what the is going to be like a huge you have to do five but alopon says okay maybe make that again it feels a little but but at the end of the day maybe make that but says it can't be because you know why you see it from Yeshua is talking in the Mishna told there's no over here. So it comes out when you do the format, you're doing format of you're also doing fork for right that's what's going on here. But if you're going to tell me so means that the never was and is it's four parts one part. So when I put all five on the mak I did everything I had to do. I got the four parts. got the one part that was never about. So what's Yeshua telling rebel about? There is no balto AND IF HE'S MASKED to the t he just says you're telling me I'll tell you right okay there is no bto there is no and because of this kasha because of this kasha says you have to make an we were able to make the three parts of the and even the first two parts of the work in despite the fact that it felt with wiggling out of a lot of jams. But we were able to make everything work. But we stubbed our toe on the six shil because really over here it's impossible to understand why there would be a where unless you hold if you hold I understand where the is that even if there's one part if I do four with this it ends up being four but if you hold it's only one and you see clearly there's a bis problem over here. So because of this Robert said you have to change you have to change our understanding of the cases of the Bryson the cases of the Mishna and when we do that we're going to accomplish one thing in that we'll be able to be the of even but even another thing says Rashi there's a long rashi here and this what Rashi is fleshing out in his and that is we'll also accomplish we won't have to make all these that we made up until this point to try to reconcile how you can make this work with the idea of and that is what is this one in the event that the actual dams when meaning the damas and the dam are literally sitting in the same cup right now in that case there's no at all that's never what they were talking about and if that's the case really the whole of has nothing to do with that's a where there's a where you take one cup and another cup and you mix them into the same third cup. So in a situation like that you have a but that was never even the case over here. You know what's going on over here? What's going on over here is there are two cups. They were never mixed. The not I just don't know what's what. Is this the And this or is this and this the is this the and this the is this and this the right is this and this the is the and this is this and this the right went through ALL THE CASES RIGHT THAT'S WHAT'S going on over here says the okay and if that is the shah that is all the link is between and what are they arguing about I'll tell you what they're arguing about the rebel is rebelzar holds of rebel held of roy the beginning of the paricar rezar held of roy when it was nar of dev of and of hold of when there's a between he holds of over here too. There's a Muslim where I could put something in the wrong part of him is I could do the wrong thing so to speak as long as I have in mind that I'm not doing as long as I have in mind I have in mind I'm doing right the last but according to the Ryan the bottom line is says the could be all these are not even talking about where it was talking about where the and really it's not a that's not the if I have I just pick one case if I have a I don't remember which is what says put them both on the misbeh the will be and the will be and then put them both of the and will be and the will either be or in the case of I have good news for you have anyways since anyway it's going to be fine but the bottom line is that is there's no such thing as right in the case of matan that's easy take from this and you do a you do from that you do a that's See mandal mandal you do four from this you do four from that. What about when it's matal? Oh, that's already a little tricky. Rebel says do four or BOTH SAYS. OKAY, what would you prefer? One of each. What do you mean? Says that's the second part of the but either way that's what's going on in all the cases. It's a sh of a never of and as a result this has nothing to do with the of the I talking about that whole of that is the answer but has one problem said that even though we have and in is but you should not was never everybody holds that if you should go ahead and you should be now one thing is clear right our mission is not like this because in our mission it's very what you're supposed to do according to according to not the Bryson says There's also if you have a car of no one's going to allow you to go and be you can't take it's not happening what was you had of a carbon that was him and it was of a carbon that's it says you should be mid And this is the punch line. It doesn't matter if the was or if the was that you shouldn't go ahead and be but what do you see from here? You see the rabbi has a different version a different understanding of the and by the way just to state the obvious throughout the caveat in this here on is the identical caveat in the over there we were discussing the the way we have it in the between that both the sh was in a case And that was the right it's the same here was saying it regarding and here is saying it with regards to but we just need one proud over here and that is said that the isis now what's the assumption if holds is then probably the meaning the we have the one that preferred when he was mess probably also held that if that's the case it's true is going to hold that true but they're going to hold it's only you're right in you see that he held in that which would imply that rebel holds not like understanding in the in the in the in the but we're going it's not that if you look say that if you understand a little bit better then it could be that the cash won't be a casher even in Ruda meaning the posh posit way to walk away from this. This is the way we're going to walk away from this right now is that we're coming out meaning according to according to the not so right that clearly was not the opinion amongst the no to say that and therefore you can go with what said right and was but there is a not that So what does mean the between in the Mishna the very very first where Damas was in with where Rileza says says that you can go and do a and then afterwards you can do said no way you can't do that. What was the of the says in the event that you did it already that was already in but that if there's according to there's an always allows you to have a mind whereas according to there's not going to be an between is only true if you had and an meaning where the was from which you have to do the from which you have to do but what would be let's say you would have you already did the four and now all I need to do is and that was everybody holds that you can go ahead and do what you need to do and the reason is because The place that you poured the carbon is the same place as you pour the if you have a and so all the is going to the same place. The is going on the and the which is also going on. So there's no reason for them to argue. The argument is when it's well now I have a problem says no don't have that but if it's going to be everybody holds that all of these are going to the same place right all the dham is going to the same so it's for that reason it's going to be okay says the so who said this said this like the way it usually works. Usually would say it and over here said it and told I'll tell you what said it's not true what you're saying because goes on the wall of the come on we know this by now where does the go it goes on the yeah it's the lower part of the you want to know relative to the but it requires the it needs that platform on the bottom it has to go on the so they're not going on the same place it's not going the same You can have the same between the but it's the same place said is also a little bit [ __ ] right it's first second here it's first second but the bottom line is we have a major whether you would have the between rebel and the we the was not the and the but it was the and what is the very important we get this because this is going to be the this is going to be the idea that is going to underpin the balance of what they're arguing about is do we view the of the and the as being in the same place they both call them so we know the is divided That's clear that they both go. But traditionally the thought is that the carbon the goes goes on the wall of the as opposed to the goes on it's seems like it's a sh over here where it could be you can put the on the and if that's the case it would have in the where there was a between and to the extent you can put then even I'll leave it and there would be an eight to go ahead and just put everything over there. So on this theme again the second part of the first part of we can breathe on that although it's going to make another cameo on base but for now we can breathe on that. This sh is a much simpler sh and that is not audit of animals that you allow to put on the so it says regarding the are which part of So the says we learn from here from the word I mean obviously right if the says that so is coming to be something it's coming to be that they're going to maintain their status of even if it's a laugh meaning when we say that the was with something it maintains its to the extent that you could still go ahead and be what kind of was it probably where the dam of the that's what we're talking about was with it was with the you see from here that the and the must be the same place now why does the think that that's the case there's no re over here to you'll see from the next words of It's because if it's talking about where the D of the was with just the regular D of then what's the you could do as the D of the D of the they both go to the same place there has to be like someh over here if it's a with something that you're putting anyway is in the same place that you put thear then it's right so there's got to be so assumes maybe that's what the is the is where was with and you can do this the He could do this is because the two things are going to the same place. Well, same place the is going on the as opposed to the is going on the oh must be know that also goes on the says you want to know what is coming to if the of was with the you can go ahead and you could do of course you could do it right. Why is this even I need to tell you to tell me there has to be some that's coming from this I'll tell you what is what would be if you had more than you would have thought that there's a so if there's a maybe I view it only as an only as a and that's the point and I don't care what the ratio is there that's automatically going to be the over here even if it's a right there automatically going to be the over here because this is a that in the world of is two things that go in the come together in a they don't have the ability to be says that I hear I know this but I know it from somewhere else it says regarding so we know that was this with the dama the power right his power that he brought and also the damas one went the other one went at some point the co takes from the dhama and the damasar and he mixes them together and when the and when he takes that mixture he does more now the says take the dhamap and the damasar that are mixed together and do that from the fact that even after the dama and the damas are already mixed we still refer to it as must be because then we wouldn't view this as dhamapar and damasar rather we would view it as only dham because there's a lot more than there is damasar so really you would view it only as you wouldn't view it as damasar from the fact that we refer to it as must be that by the way this is the who holds how does he know that he knows it from learned from here they learned from here that but the bottom line is how could you tell me I know I know says meaning the of could be is coming to teach me not not that the mo of the and the of Shirim is the same place. I Isn't there a T that learns it from somewhere else? So wow, there is a T that learns it from somewhere else. This T learns it from somewhere else. This T learns it from here. I'm sorry another again. What are we handling here? We're handling here whether the of the and the were in the same place. They're both but are they literally going in the same place or no? Completely different places. One's on the and the other one is on the it says in the now this is a more basic in the par of the carbonus in fact it's the fifth in ter the says okay so the says it says two times the word in this. And the way Rash explains the catch is that both mentions of the word are extra. It didn't have to say it twice. It didn't have to say it even once. The reason is cuz let's just read the P. Okay. You did the what? Obviously the what are they? Obviously the D right afterwards we'll talk about this is for sure referring to the D. So there's no reason should have to say it once. There's certainly no reason that the Torah should have to say it twice. So the question is why did Tyra mention it? Now Rashi brings a more a proper gear of the so I'm going to read it from Rashi. So picking up from it starts on the bottom of or if you have that they bring it in bold letters on the left side of the How do you know that if there was a How do you know that is that even if there's a he could be it says now the price continues you would think maybe the only time you can go ahead and be such a because these types of if you remember from the very very beginning of the paric even if the animals were alive if they were be okay an that's alive that's with an that's alive beak an that's that was if it was right should be. So these are cases where even if there was a so maybe where if it's something that it's you could go ahead and be the you could be how do I know that I feel that if I could go ahead and be m because if there was a you wouldn't be able to be mate says the price you could read because the end of the day they're both mean that both can be how do I know if it was if it's you can't be and it's not the end of the day they're all and therefore you can go ahead just do a you can go ahead and do it how do I know if there was a with or that's the end of the dum it says dum twice to teach me that so the way rashi explains the ga now comes the explanation part the way rash explains it is that from the first mention of dam I know everything until the last case I know that if it was with another dam a dam schlim dam all those cases I would know from one mention of dam it's extra and It's anything that's similar the second I need to things that have no where to I wouldn't be able to it's not it's not how do I know that so that I know already from the second mention of but what's the bottom line I have over here a situation where there's a tar of dams right abd is telling me based on the two mentions of the word dam and the you can go ahead and you can now put it on the so says as it relates to the last case where the was with what let's pick on the second mention of the word I learned that I can go ahead now and I could do a now my isn't the case where it was what was the was it so the assumes now it was probably now you see that you could take that was inside and put it on his must going to the same place. It's really and this like we saw in the previous is the reason they didn't want to say it's talking about seems more reasonable but then what what would be the need there must be some that's coming out of I tell you what the is that it's talking about not and because for that I don't need a dum dum that's I can go ahead and put them they're both going on the same place it's a it's deal. Just go ahead and do and everything is going to be okay. And by the way, just to be clear, as long as you're not handling in the world of rebel speaks, then we assume this is the there's no reason to assume this Bryce is the only in the world. But if you're going is you do one, you get everything. So you have nothing to worry about. So I don't need a for that. That's why the assumed that the must mean not that I can actually do, right? You get this clock. If you need a deter to tell me you can put on the what's the if you hold and they're both going to the same part of so what's the big deal because they're together who cares there has to be some if the case is oh it's they go in the same place in the mo of but if you're telling me that it's so what exactly is the ter is you want to know what the is the is says the says that's the even if there's one of more than the other and so when you put you can end up being but says I learned from I thought I know even though there's much more than there is we learn there were some that learned it from here and there were others that learned it from there. So let's uh come off a breath for one second and segue into the next part of the that is that what emerges is that as it relates to which came in to this discussion has three possible It has a right that it's either coming to tell me that the of is the same as the or it's coming to teach me of I have which is according to some that because would not be you would only view it as being damar and then I have the fact that it says by the carbon the fifth compar which again it's either coming to tell me that is the same as or it's coming to tell me but I have three potential either or from the it says regarding the regular. So the gammorra says now and if you look at Rashi Rashi says Rashi is telling you the niggan and how you supposed to learn this meaning like what's going on over here? Why do I have these three different possible? Meaning, it sounds like I have two sets of that don't want to learn it from and then I have two sets that don't want to learn it from and then I have that don't want to learn it from. So, what's going on? It's like a like what is wrong with each one of these three that they all have like a that don't want to learn like them. So the says like this didn't want to learn from they hold actually says it's a whether there was a point in fact with takeasur and actually mix it together. One t holds that even though it says means individually but they didn't actually make a taris. So if there was no then this whole conversation is dead on arrival as it relates to because I can understand why they were that didn't like the dam because that's even a says that's the one thing that off the bat doesn't hear so much mean this we need to roll our sleeves up for a little bit why you wouldn't learn from that 57b why you wouldn't wouldn't learn from dum dum that doesn't even bother Why you wouldn't learn from that seems to be a good how come the other didn't want to learn that way so the says because this is already taken this is a that we already use for something else they hold that we learn from there can go on but can't go on that's and that's learned that from they have the but doesn't go says the learns is coming to teach me that doesn't go who that's also talking about the and it says over there the word who and who teaches me it but not either way returning back to this shil again which shil the shim of a carbon does it go or does it go on the soar says I'll bring you a from Bryce a Bryce that's going to sound familiar because we saw this Bryce at the very very beginning of that facing words of today's it was the third what would be if there was a and went and he put the without asking any questions now you're allowed to put it but according to you're not allowed to that's where the part comes in so you didn't ask now what's the so says even even hold that if you want to put you could you weren't supposed to do this but once you did it at this point it's it's going to be okay and the reason is because you were ready when you went now you have to put the that's perfect and that's perfect as well and not just that is going to be which already that was the first part of the whole discussion is that true only according to the before the it wouldn't be true but the bottom line is like it says the case is talking about the right had we learned the case up until this point that it was a between a regular and a regular right once you go ahead and you did the at that point the is going to be and the B says that everybody holds go ahead now and put the rest of the there's no issues there's no you don't have to be worried about it's why is it why is it posit but WHAT ABOUT THE PART NOW IS GOING TO tell you have in mind that's we're not focusing that's why we picked the one case THAT SAYS THAT SAYS THE GOING TO TELL YOU YOU could put all the there's no anymore. What's the before you did there was a but once you did there's no anymore because now what I have is and they both go to the same place it's the same place right why does the price say that after you do the one there's no there is it's a different the initial was the you went ahead you didn't ask a shame on you you did a okay now however you have a different now if the go to the same place that go then it's very good it's however you're going to tell me that they don't go to the same place I have a I just switched one for another but what's the came I'll tell you what they said regarding this keep going different case different case the case of was not a case of you got the wrong case that wasn't the case the case was when there was au between and of now it doesn't say the word shirim But if you take a look at says it means it's going to be from the in a second. But either way, so now you have that has to go in and which means you already did the on and that now requires we're on the okay this now is a bonafide you're not supposed to do anything it's okay put it have in mind that It's going to be good. What happens if you did it? You went out and you did it. You weren't supposed to. So now because what do I have now? Now what I have is and I have that goes on the same place and that is and you know where it goes. It goes on the goes on the it goes on the but the bottom line is these two things are going to end up going on the same place. That was what said you had the wrong case. It wasn't an after you do the what you're left with is something that goes on and something that goes on the if you hold that that's the mo of the case is talking about where it was where once you do the now everything has to go in the same place other on the but the bottom line is if you hold that has to go on the it's going to all go on the side and everything is going to be fine but told the name of the and again we need help from Rashi here but the way Rashi learns the why do you have to say that was between and of sounds like an extra step that's that's not necessary just say it's talking about where the was with its own oh very good don't do the because you're putting if it was that you can go ahead and do it because it's all going to end up in the same place anyways. Why this urge to make an that it's talking about where the and the truth is if you look at Rashi has one there's a whether the of the and the even went in the same place. So really in order for you to say that it's talking about where was the you would have to get involved in which is not necessary just keep it with fact some have the gear it was with its own so for sure all the d is going in the same place now so that would again you if you don't like you don't like but you like so if you like so why are you getting involved in which forces you to get involved It's an unnecessary hoop. Just keep it simple with it own but says there's a special and that's said it the way he said it and that is even according to the whole but the extent that it was this is a a sh that comes up in the here in if you does that mean every stitch of has to go under or does it mean you have do meaning what would be if you lost or some of the and it didn't end up going on the is that or not means that after you do you count up all the dam that's there and every single ounce of it has to end up on or no just means you have to do it but it doesn't necessarily mean that every last stitch has to go says I'll tell you why made histo He wanted you to know that. Where do you see that? You see that over here because what did the Cen do? the coen first took from the tar of the of the and he did a so it could be that he got a little bit of he got a little bit of the for the and by the way he for sure got a little bit of the which means that when he's going to do now the he's missing a little bit so I could have thought that that in of itself should be apostles the There is a whole by the right that's another point. There's no when it comes to it's only by the and there's a that it could be if it's also going to be a problem. So he just wanted you to know but you're right for the for the to get out of this issue. All he had to say was that it's not a between and it's a why do you get involved in the of even though it's forcing him to jump through a hoop that maybe he didn't have to jump through. It's literally for this either way one last he said just said from the case of why did the bring this because the felt that you see for sure that the and the end up in the same place because if they don't end up in the same place why is once you that that you can go ahead and just put a it's two different the on and the of is on the side. So because of this we had to come on to what was it? It's not talking about whereas which is what we thought it was the whole time. It's talking about whereas you even went further but that it was this remind you from the beginning of the we made already in that the case was where of the was and you went ahead head and you put the shear of what was supposed to go mata, right? The sheer oil and you went ahead the sheer and a little bit more laa on top. Why did we make that aima? The reason we made that was because we were trying at the time to the with a who held the rebel in if you would hold you wouldn't have to make that but we were trying to make it with him who holds that and it's for that reason we went ahead and we made that okay so what's the what's the kasha so what does want from ra what he wants from ra is that if that's the case then What emerges is when you go ahead now and you do the in our mind you're not being the anyways because in our mind we're being suspicious that you already put the the only thing that we're saying now that your when you go really is the shim of the katas cuz you for sure got the kas and this for sure. So that's when you pour the rest of the dam on the bottom. So what we're saying is you're gonna end up getting the but in our mind not getting the and being that in our mind not getting the so what was the whole the was that we're assuming that when you're going to go ahead and you're going to go you're going to be and it's not true you're not being the reason you're not being is because we're assuming that you put the whole and being that we're assuming you put the whole you're being now really is the so if all you're being is the then this is not ashma to the sh of you see from here that go in the same place because anyway is not being so why make that and when we say that you can go do it's only and you're right you'll put it in the you'll put it on the you're not putting on the because we don't think it being anyways This is what the gumar says the way Rashi explains the Gamarus brings Rashi and Ty asks one just I think pretty obvious Gasha and that is in this part of the everybody's that you can go ahead now and you can put the mat the are putting the if you hold just to tie the whole together that would mean that I don't know that you're being it's you're talking that you only so maybe putting a would mean put it on the side and you but the part of the because again mentioned here it was nothing. So that for sure is to be and because so for sure right now I could put and I could put it says that's under component of the so from there maybe it would mean put it on the side but the maybe it wasn't from the reza part of It was from the part of and that it's all going on. So it's going to see that it ends up in the same place doesn't say terrace it's but either way and for what was his response. So if somebody asked you this after today's right what would you answer said what you didn't learn the whole yeah in the very beginning of the thought that there was a way to all these braces even with and in order to do that we had to make all these akimas but the came out there's no way to make with this right it's impossible right we thought of a maso mas It's impossible to make it work in a either you have to say holds or you have to say the arguing and if the arguing then there's no question in the world even is going to mean you're going to go ahead and take both of the you're going to put them in the same place and if that's the case with regards to the sh either way I didn't want to say this before the d but it's pretty obvious this was not the easiest in but the not the easiest in but and certainly not the easiest in that easiest what happened in today's we're not going to do a we don't even have to precap it for tomorrow's d because tomorrow's already a new mishna from seven and a half years ago # but the bottom line is the bottom line is that what emerges is there were two major major sugas that are one is a shasy that has huge kachum ramifications the other one is a kachuma that has huge kachum ramifications the shasuga that has huge kachum ramifications is anytime there's a do we assume that every little drop of this has both components of it or not necessarily implications of implications in implications in other places as well. Second Shiloh. The second Shiloh was when we talk about the Tyra says you pour it on the Could you pour it on the could you pour it on the same place that you did all the and all these could go in the same place or not? First half of the D focus more on the part. Second half of the daf focus more on the mim of the it all tied together at the very very end. Addition we had three and at this point Light it.