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heard. Today's
and we are at the Mishna the second on
the bottom of
today's stuff's being learned.
So we're moving along in the eighth par
which deals with the of where meets the
topic of yesterday's was when there were
aim
whose din was to be misbeh
some of the cases that we saw a that
with a
woman
that with an arrive of
two versions in when exactly
argued but that was all yesterday's d
today's is going to pivot
very much and talk about not aim that
were nisar but rather dam that was nisar
and I think it's just to
speak out a tiny bit of an introduction
to today's so we know the is that
when there's a suffic of sorts and
there's an opportunity to go bas
now now is manifest in many different
ways it is manifest in the biblical
sense where you have a bezdon that's
presiding over it in terra you go bas's
also an idea where you have a taru of
two min so two distinct things come
together whether it's a taru yish where
the two things didn't physically
intermingle with each other but rather
they're all in the same area and you
don't know what's what or if it's a taru
We are the two things literally become
one mixture there too based on the
we learn that we go
if you have the
two things come together they mix
together one is the other is do we view
now this mixture as being aer or do we
view it as a mut the first move would be
well is it is or is it if it's would be
user If it's right there, it would be
mutter. What happened to the m it's how
does that work? It falls under the
general umbrella, the general concept of
which again has so many different
applications.
To say that every time there's a go
would be a gross oversimplification of
how we view a taras.
We know that there's a of ker. What's
keker? It's going to make a cameo
appearance in today's dam
states that in the event that you have
au of is
but the of is in the voice even though
it's only a do and the rule states
but as long as it's we see that mu as if
it's here it can't become and the is
going to be awesome whe
that's a big Shiloh that too will make a
cameo appearance in today's these
are some of the
but the basic premise we have to know
going into the and that is that as much
as it's true when there's a you go but
if you would have
but the is being
is the would still be awesome Now, how
do you know if it's nice and Tom or if
it's not nice and Tom? So, the easiest
thing to do would be give it to what the
Gar refers to as a give it to a
professional chef, someone that
understands taste. He has the nuance
pallet so that he knows whether you can
taste the D or not. The other option of
course is
that if you have 60 times of connected
we assume that for sure there's a and as
a result it's not nice and if you have
less than we would assume it is nice and
one of the today's and it's going to be
very very murish in tomorrow's is that
not every time you have a
do we say that in the event that the
is even where it's a m the is that it's
going to be in fact the only time we say
that we go is in the event that this is
something that is of it's something that
someone's going to eat the question is
can I eat it or can I not eat it
there we say that
with the huge caveat of
if however you have au of where there's
no can I eat it or can I not eat it
because no one is going to eat it for
example if you would have d blood that's
going that all of a sudden now was with
something else no one's eating that
right now there's no discussion can I
eat it can I not eat it because no one's
eating it anyways or if you would have a
mikvah and there's a question now where
you had that was kasha for a mikvah and
now mayan It's not kashaw was in the no
one's drinking the mikvah water you're
bathing in it you're not drinking it
when you have a tu of quote unquote is
but it's not something that people are
going to taste or eat but rather the
question is more of does it have some
kosheric status or not then the is that
you don't go bust time we don't care
about time it could be no time it could
be not from today till tomorrow it's not
the what then do we look at do We simply
say right the answer is no. There is a
caveat. There is an asterisk that you
have to look at beyond the general of
and the thing that you look at is
literally you look at it what does it
look like if it looks like the mu. So
then we say that even though there's but
it's going to have the status of the
dom. If it doesn't look like the mu then
not we don't go bus a but we go bus. We
don't consider what it tastes like but
rather we consider what it looks like.
And really it's that last that when you
have a voice of we
would suggest
but the big exception to the rule of
which says that there are times that the
extent that you feel it your
is not going to be that would be true
that would be true with regards to a
situation
of
to the extent that it's going to be true
with regards to other things to the
extent that you can see it and it's
really with that that backdrop that we
begin the mission
and in the event that dam that has a to
go on the that all of a sudden was with
water that obviously doesn't have a to
go on the question is do we say that
this has a dam you can go do a now that
it was the mind you can't so the says in
the mar in the event that this tarus
looks like it's going to be what's the
is because as long as it looks like then
we say even if the dam is
but it's the equivalent of being over
here it looks like it'll say and is then
it's going to be what would be if the d
was not with but rather
it was with y and this is a very
important caveat not any wine but red
wine because if it's white wine this is
a different circular but we're talking
about with the damn with red wine now
over here it doesn't matter how much
wine how much dam you're going to have
it's all going to look the same and the
reason is because the color of the blood
is red and the color of the wine is red
and as a result there's no real of
because it all looks the same stating
that says the Mishna there's still is
the of that plays itself out. In fact,
what we do is we view the red wine as if
it would have been water and we ask
ourselves to the extent that it would
have been water, do we have enough of a
ratio of
blood to red wine, which had it been
water, you would be able to see the
blood or do we not? If the answer is yes
then we see it as
and
if the answer is no then meaning this
applies equally to
by
you look at it
it's a you have to jump through a hoop
you have to make believe the red wine
was really water and then and then you
ask yourself
if he answers He has caution. The answer
is no. It's going to be apostle. What
would be if the dam
if you had
dam of that's that was all of a sudden
with dam of regular behem of
it.
Now in this case for sure you have no
way of knowing because this is literally
d and right a lot of people to tell the
difference between red blood versus red
wine. But as it relates to
versus how would you ever know the
difference here too the is and we ask
ourselves had it been water would there
been a mar then if not it would be
possible says
this is famous throughout who holds
so
which means that if you have a little
bit of dam that's with other you could
have a thousand a million times of the
dam ple
And if you go ahead now and you do it's
always going to be
what would be if was possible. This is
the first time we had this right till
now the D was with it was with it was
with that's what if it's with that's
where there's a physical on top of the
that it was with the is already
different you pour it into the that's
the drain that used to take all the
outside of the what would be if the D
was with the takes us back to the nishb
we know that this had to be done with
the dama
Not with the what would be if the dam
of the blood of the animal that's
not here too
says in this case it's says regarding
this
so wait for the for this what would be
in the event that the didn't ask any
questions where the dam was with or with
and he did
is if he wasn't and he did but the
evidence going to be meaning we're going
to see that the only reason it's even a
problem is based on and it's for that
reason it's only that it's in the event
that the went and the is there's no
question in the world that it's going to
be again the topic of the Mishna is we
have that was with something that's not
and the question is how do you view it
and the Mishna made a whole bunch of
categories if it's within so what do we
ask ourselves We ask ourselves is there
a dam or is there not a similar to is it
or is there not but being that this is
not a
so over here the question is not what
does it taste like the question is what
does it look like what if it was with
red wine so
and then we ask ourselves
what if it was with
so here too is it's like it was with red
wine
says holds
anytime the dam is with yeah with
you're always allowed to do because
and then finally
that's already a separate says
who seems to be a big make these it's
going to be
even according to
the is that it is going to be something
of the says
that's only true
if the way that the was that the fell
into the fall
But let's say it was the other way
around. The dam fell into the Mayan then
being that when the dam started falling
into the there was no way that Taru was
going to have a marist. It's going to
take a little bit of time for it to have
a marist. we would have to build up and
the minute the dam falls into the and
it's with it at that point it becomes a
so is so that even if later all of a
sudden it looks like I don't care
because what happened is the original
dams that fell in before the
dam became it's no longer viewed as
destroy and it's for that reason this
whole now is not going to be okay
as it relates to
dear too you have to know do I have D or
do I not have D in order to know whether
after
there it's different meaning in the
event they have
do we see it as D or do we not see it as
D what's it going to be it's going to be
again
not right to be clear this is not we
said it's every time you have a
where you have a mut of one thing but if
it looks like the thing it's the
equivalent thereof to if it tastes like
the thing is that that is not going to
be. So it's true for damin. It's true
for it's true for a lot of we'll see
soon
a bunch of different but the bottom line
is when it comes to
in the event that you have of dam and
the dam fell into the and initially when
the dam was falling into the it didn't
look like but then at some point it
looked like dam then the is meaning what
it is going to be treated like there'll
be a mitzvah and the reason is
because there's
What does this mean? So the way Rashi
explains it's that understood that the
reason said
is because of what is says that anytime
you have something that's you have a
carbon that becomes pushed away for a
temporary time meaning something
happened that made it now puzzle
but then that something went
There's a noob. It takes on a life of
its own. We said that being that at some
point it was knocked away. Even if that
thing went away, it's going to remain
knocked away.
The reason said if the dam falls into
the
is we don't say that later when it
builds up to the point that
is because there was a short period of
time that this dam was for sure bottled
to the mind. And at that time when the
dam was bottled to the mind you couldn't
do with the dam once you can't do with
you're out. In other words here's the
punch line is saying is that the reason
is not
it's
called and it's for that reason once
it's knocked out it's going to be
knocked out forever. But holds that even
though there's when it comes to being
that
even though
but once you can have a build up now
right what's the
now all of a sudden we revisit the you
always have to recalculate right you
always have to recalibrate so now you
have to go and you have to make the all
over again and now you're gonna end up
having enough dam that it's then it's
gonna be okay now this papa said,
"This is really a shared a few different
places discuss
was clearly taking sides." But here's
the point. The point is held is not a
same exact sh that's not in a context
such as which according to our puppet
over there you wouldn't have this
and this me of is going to be the
backdrop now of the remainder of the
take out the word. So
that somebody went and chewed together
and then ate them
is he's going to be
because it's impossible that either the
pigle
wasn't
meaning one of the two the other and
it's for that reason you now are going
to be so we need a little bit of a
background just on Understand the mat of
the case of the case. The way Rash
explains it is a person took a kaz of
pigle and a kaz of and he ate it. Now
someone eats a pigle
the
parallel the people that are
and just like one is eating a kaz of
orayas of pickle. One is also malus if
you're eating a kazayas of noiser and a
kazayas of pickle. For that reason you
would think if somebody would take a
kazayas of pickle of together he makes a
sandwich right puts it in rye bread
little mustard and he bites in to a full
kaz of and a full kaz of pigle
malus. In fact,
why? Because this person just ate a kaz
of pigle and a kaz of stating that
gave us the shocking ale
and he explained himself
what's the mitas says when a person
chews a kaz of pigle of it's impossible
that he's chewing everything equally
right so you're chewing the right side
of your mouth the left side of your
mouth but ever makes you more
comfortable. But the bottom line is
this. In your chewing, it's inevitable
that you're going to have a little bit
more of one than the other. Might be a
little more pickle than nicer. It might
be a little bit more nicer than pickle.
So, we have to go into the gory details
of this, right? But the assumption goes
something like this. You're chewing now
the pickle and the nicer. You have a
little more pickle than nicer. What
happens is that little bit of nicer
becomes buckle to the pickle. Now you
have even more pickle. So when a little
bit more of nois now goes into that
gimish that is inside your mouth it v
becomes bottle to the pickle a little
more noiser if becomes bottle to the
pickle it's inevitable that all the
noiser at that point will be bottled to
the pickle and it's going to come out
that the only thing that you ate from a
perspective was pickle what do you mean
I ate it cuz I used some noise because I
used a pickle but
until I actually ate it until I
swallowed it until the wasma The noisy
was bottled to the pickle. Here's the
problem. I don't know if the noisy was
bottled to the pickle. Maybe the pickle
was bottled to the noisy. Maybe it was
the other way around. Maybe when I
started chewing, I had more noisy than
pickled. The little bit of pickle became
bottled to the noisy. And then when I
ate more, it became became ble comes
out. I didn't eat of a pickle. I ended
up eating two of I don't know because I
don't know says it's for that reason
it's impossible to get malus. You know
why? And here's the next hoop. It's
because
by the way the
is talking and says
that means in order to get you need that
I'm tell the person don't eat this
because if you're going to eat this
you're going to be the piggle you be
this you'll be either piggle or nicer
you have to be clear you got to tell me
am I being piggle or am I
That's what's known as
being that.
So therefore, it's inevitable that it's
either pickle or noer. The maximum don't
know what to give. Counterintuitively
because you ate pickle and you're not
going to get malus. If you ate pickle
malcus, if you ate noisy malus because
he ate pickle and noer, there's going to
be no malcus. Now
there's two times but in terms of the
there's not going to be from this
I can actually deduce three number one
you see that the laws are and not only
true they're true for why because over
here it's
now I could have thought it's only true
when it's maybe now what's the behind
this so
But this is that we know BL is based on
the tension that you have between the
two things in the
so when you have two things that are
not the same. So then we say that you
can't have a mitz where two such
different things coexist. So one has to
submerge the other. One takes over or
the other one takes over. The premise of
BL always is the fact that the two
things that the taras are different.
It's for that reason holds on the top of
the
because there's no tension there. So let
them live together famous not for now.
But the bottom line is that the based on
the fact that the two parts of the taras
are very different. So there would have
been when one is the other one is m. So
that makes sense. I have what I need in
order to have a taru. have the necessary
the requisite attention. But maybe
you see from here that
is not why who cares that there's piggle
over or noiser over pigle the mat for
sure is nice and you don't have 60 he
had a perfect his eyes of each there's
no way in
mitas he knows for a fact you're going
to have shishim YOU'RE NOT GOING TO
So if that's the case, this should be no
because of the fact that it's because
this must be
a thing. And finally
because
then anyways
of one of the two and it's for that
reason for sure
asks one of the which one again
is going to be on the middle one the
most of the three maybe and that
If somebody made a dough from which is
wheat and which is rice.
Now this is dealing with when do you
have to be if you make a dough from one
of the
is one of the dog or is not one of the
dog. So this person made an a one of the
other one of the
if it tastes like if it tastes like
and even if that's
so why if it tastes like
why do you say must be cuz it's nice and
t it's based on the town kicker
So you see that
on the second of the
but no that's not a I could always tell
you maybe
this is not
sometimes
sometimes maybe this
take a look at the of that
says says that in the event that a
person made an again and he made it from
this even if it's
which means that we see it as we see it
as
if you're going to tell me that whenever
it is
bottle even when it's
only it's only
from the maybe not from the but from the
says
you have to say that
agrees that
is
not you have to say it's really not
class it's not or if it's not class the
third or the second if you were keeping
four is going to be a little bit of a
different and that is
there's no question in the event that
you have a
is going to make a difference in the
taras and if you want to go back to the
case of pigle and in the event that the
piggle and the noiser were two different
meaning two different meaning so for
example the piggle was and the was so if
they were two different then it's posit
that You wouldn't have
because even though it's inevitable that
there's a but it's not inevitable that
there's no and it's for that reason for
sure you're going to have both over here
and therefore if you got for both you'd
get malus for both or if you got for one
you get malus for one what then was
talking about he was talking about and
it's over there you go bus so in the
event that it was
you would go busting and would be in the
safe of that
he was talking about where they were
both they were both it was the same both
I don't know was the same and being it's
the same men over there for sure there's
no now what's the like why would there
be
and not that's very obvious because
being that the two things are different
meaning they taste differently so it
makes sense it could
tastes the same. If it tastes the same,
so there's no for it to be.
But the bottom line is that
has to agree that
I was
that is only by
you see you don't go and it makes sense
you wouldn't go because there is no it
tastes same as opposed to
you're going to be nice now brought this
and up until this point it's not clear
why right we're middle learning
I mean this is a it even pertains to but
why we're discussing it right here in
the middle of this is not clear yet.
This next line of we're going to see
what the reason
why is it that holds that when it comes
to it's time but being that physically
you can't taste it. So there you don't
go buser whether it's nice and time or
not you just go buser right even by
there's a mechanism of using the regular
which is how so what we should do is we
should be
we should ask ourselves this is a what
if it would have been would it be or
would it not be if the answer is it
would be then we should say I don't care
that this it should still be a problem.
We should still see the over here based
on the fact that had it been something
that's able to be it SHOULD BE OKAY. NOW
YOU GOT to tell me you say that let's in
our mind make believe
right convert the
it's our in very very very comparable
case it's not we learned our
in the event that was now when is the
you don't go what do you go does it have
a marrist does not have a marrist the
said that's all good if the d is a with
what if the
or it's where it all looks the same. So
the Misha said there's an idea. We ask
ourselves we look
as if it would have been water. If it
was water, would the D be something that
you're able to see then we treat it as
D. If not, but what's the bottom line?
The bottom line is that you see from
here see it inside
what the Mishna means to say the way we
explained the Mishna when we weren't
there. That's pretty obvious that's what
the mish seem to be saying and that is
there's an idea of ry and we look at the
wine as if it would have been water and
we ask ourselves would it be now enough
to make it that you can't see the dam or
not be enough in other words you see
that when it comes to a tar
we of one and mu of another where the is
that if the mu is seen even if the tarus
is such where you can't see him because
the two things look alike but we make
believe it was something else, something
that you would be able to see or not
see. And we ask ourselves, would you
have been able to see or not? And based
on that, we decide the same should be
when it comes to taste, right? What you
could see is the same. is the equivalent
thereof to what you can taste when it
comes to
wants to be when it comes to
it makes a lot of sense there's a mus of
taste there's no of taste the problem is
there's a very very good comparable to
this where you have of two things that's
totally not whether you can taste
whether you could see where we say if
you could see it well could I see it or
can I not see it and if it's too minimum
that you anyways would be ABLE TO SEE WE
make we make believe that the wine was
really water. say here too let's make
believe that was we should ask ourselves
could I taste it or I cannot taste it
but just in the
whole is predicated on the way we
learned the Mishna that when the Mishna
said
what does it mean it means
we look at the wine as if it was water
and we ask ourselves would you be able
to see the dam if this was water or
would you not be able to say is like
maybe had a whole different
understanding of what the mission is
talking about you know what the mission
Means when it says
what it means is
what it means is that in this situation
if there's
we look at the dam as if it's meaning
it's not because we go buser and I don't
care that if the would have been in May
you would have been able to see the dam
and then it would be dam you' be able to
put them because the messa wasn't with
it was with and be that was with it's
the proverbial right. Now is it's going
to be
and not
do the math but rather
and it's possible you won't be able to
put on the one has two cases on this
number one
by the way the word
I mean you want to tell me
is a way of saying that the dam is I
hear I can't argue with that but it's a
very funny way of saying it just say but
if you tell me it's bottle I'll
everything I have to obviously I can't
do with it besides
I have another problem
where I know that a certain we see it's
the said murish this concept of meaning
even if you want to tell me that you
have noish
from the concept of from our because
maybe when the
doesn't mean
it means
And that price is going to be checkmate
because in that price for sure you're
going to see what's this price.
We view it as if it's red wine.
If it has the ability to dilute its
color it's going to be the and if not
ple it's going to be ple. Now what is
the background to this price of rahud.
So it's interesting the gamar now is
going to bring the ba. So in two lines
from now the Gar is going to bring the
longer version of the Bryce but we have
to speak it out now already. The Bryce
is talking about a case where
somebody had a delete. A delete is a
bucket. The bucket was Tom and he's
toing it in a mahar right now cuz he
wants it to be t the bucket itself has
has some mashkin inside of it. There's a
mashk inside and when he was he was toy
it with the mashka. The question now is
whether or not the mashka that's inside
the bucket serves as a
for the mikvah to say that the inside of
this bucket never became because there
was mashkin inside and that was or
whether it doesn't serve as a and what
from the bright is going to bring is
that it depends really what that mashka
was. So for example, if the mashka that
was inside was water, regular water,
then for sure it's going to be okay. And
the reason for sure it's going to be
okay is because there's a called hash.
Hash says that if you have any water
that comes in contact with a mikvah,
even if that water is water, it's inside
a ki that's in a mikvah, it becomes part
and parcel of the mikvah. So I look at
that mashk as a mikvah. So the entire ki
is in the mikvah. I don't have inside a
ki that's inside a mikvah. All I have is
a k that's inside a mikvah because that
m that's inside of it is is part of that
and it's for that reason is it's for
sure going to be okay in the event that
you had red wine inside that lay that's
what was inside. So then the is we ask
ourselves whether or not any water
that's going to get inside the actual ki
is that enough water to dilute the color
of the red wine in a significant way.
Well, then the is that we say that we
look at as if the Mayan made a hashah it
really made an inroad into the and then
the is that it's going to be able to be
titled if however it's not enough in
order for to be able to do that. So for
example this just too much red wine
inside so it's filled up nish almost to
the top like you're making kish so now
the little bit of water that's going to
get in is not going to be able to make
ashba on it. So then already the is that
it's for sure going to be a problem.
We're going to view it as being a where
Yehuda comes in. Rauda said, "What would
be if you didn't have water, so you
don't have but you also didn't have red
wine. What you had was something white.
For example, white wine. If you had
milk, so you had something white. What's
the over there?" says Rabudo that in the
event that you had some white
we make believe it's red wine and we ask
ourselves
if the water would be able to weaken its
color then it would be that in wouldn't
be able to be pos but what do you see
from here you see the holds there's a
mus of what holds there's a mus of
there's a mus of mur is an idea of right
how could it be thatish told
that
some of rice like we saw in the south
but being that it all tastes the same
anyways it just goes why don't we say
now I see from the
you see it from the case with this with
right but the
even if you want to be which the doesn't
like but even if you want to be that
when we say it's not
And being that
here
that there is a concept that we do say
that really this
just brought to ask a second onesh that
is the lifeline for. So really the gumar
was the the gumar's objective was to
knock out
then by bringing the the second the
actually worked against itself because
in that in that
why because as we're about to see now
that is only one in that he has a and
what it's going to emerge then is that
really it's whether you say is right if
it's just speak well that's going to be
the easy way out for the extent that
it's always has a right to say I'm sorry
always has a right to say that I hold
like the other time
it's the longer version of this so there
was a bucket that had in it white wine
or it had in the middle and then
somebody was told
we make believe that this red wine
what's the bottom line what do you
is and the way speaks out is going to
tell you who are we like
that you don't go
says
that's why I don't go ask me audishna
even our even though it's not like me
but really this must be right has to cuz
I know that from that Bryce over there
in the laws of Miko and we pass from
like for that reason we are going to go
like the