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Today's is
and we have two lines from the bin of
today's being learned as
and
so the introduction to today's daf to
the first half of today's daf is that we
know the azor has a very special place
in hal specifically
kadashim was only allowed to be eaten by
kohuna in the azara
you were able to shack anywhere in the
azara and somebody that's to was not
allowed to enter the azara the gummor is
going to discuss the definition of azara
truth is that really this discussion
begins with aishna midos the mishna says
that the azor and this is during bayeni
was 187 amus long by 135 amus wide. So
the dimensions of the azoro were kuf
and at first glance you would think it's
back of the envelope arithmetic if the
azori
was ku
and the three affformentioned
are so where are those three meaning
where could a eat kadashim where could
one kum where is it that if a tummy
would enter it bear it's that area
That's by stating that the first half of
today's
said in the name of the great
someone is not for entering the state of
unless he enters that area that we just
mentioned in the area that's 187 long by
135.
There was a tan that sat in the presence
of Nakman. By the way, kas 101 tunn
that's talking to Ravnakman is an he's a
later amra. A tanner in the context of
the isra that used to teach Mishnayas
and Bryis. He's called a Tana not
al-shame vigra. He's called a tana
alshame the fact that he's a bucky in
the yonim. He's a quote unquote seni he
different and braces than not everybody
knew and as a result but either way
there was an who taught the following
the we just mentioned
the was 187 by 135 wide soman heard this
he told this I'll tell you what I heard
from my father it's regarding this
that are allowed to eat.
That's the area that one can check
and that's the area that if he were to
enter would be of course. So really the
d begins with two statements from the
first is in the name of the second is in
the name of his father. They both said
almost the same thing and that is that
when the Mishna says
that the length of the Azor was 187 A
and the width of the Azor was 135 A.
It's that area and that area only that
the hill applies to said it regarding
one that's the
in that area said in the name of his
father it's three regarding that's what
the are
that's where
and like in the name of that's the area
that if a tummy would enter you would
bears Another clash before we go v
Revakman is quoting his father. Who's
Revakman's father?
The answer to that question is really
the answer to another question and that
is who is Rav. So we know throughout
it's
who was and that's really the says that
is
Rashi says
was
either way according to when says
who's the
and according to who's the
which leads us
But we'll get to that later. But either
way, so we have these two that are both
saying that this area which is
the area where all these are going to be
asks the obvious question
meaning what exactly are the
what are they adding to what we already
didn't know? We know that the Azor was
187 by 135. We know that uh Tommy is not
allowed to enter the Azor. We know that
Kachikasham has to be eaten in the Azor.
We know you have to every single thing
that is being used to come up with this
is everything is any kid in that learn
would know this there has to be some and
specifically just the words it sounds
like that as much as the Mishna says
that the Azor was 187 by 135 but there's
an area that maybe would also be
considered part of the Azor thus all
these would apply to that areas. Well,
they're not going to and the wants to
know what is that area says
the windows the doors and the thickness
of the wall. Now takes out the word. So
we're going to follow the gears of the
so
would mean there were windows in certain
parts of the walls of the azara. inside
that window is not part of the 187
by 135. I can hear it's part of the
Azara, but it's not part of those
dimensions. And the reason is because
the 187x 135 is the inside part of the
Azara. It's from the inside of one wall
to the inside of the other wall. If you
take the thickness of the walls into
account, it's actually going to be a
little bit longer. It's going to be a
little bit wider. So what would be if a
Tommy would go into the of Dazz or if a
Coen would sit in that with his legs
dangling and he would eat the Kadashim
or if somebody would somehow do a over
there. So maybe coming to say that you
could have thought that that area is
considered as that it's not.
Additionally would mean if the person
was standing on top of the wall it's the
same difference. You're not in the is
that coming to be it can't be you know
why because it's a says just the
opposite and this is a
meaning as much as it's not part of the
but it is still considered part of the
case maybe
so the lisk were mentioned at the end of
the previous and these were chambers so
we're familiar with all these different
types of chambers that existed in the
azaro and could Those you would have had
should be considered part of the
regarding all these
says which are we referring to.
If we're talking about that were built
meaning outside of the but they opened
into the Azor meaning the way to get to
the was through the Azor that they have
this entrance way that goes directly
into the Azor. Well, if that's what it's
coming to be can't be but because that's
also a that says this is that says that
those actually were treated like theor
so they are like theor and again as much
as they're not part of the we see that
they're considered part of the now the
more about the
it's interesting the is never even going
to entertain that maybe coming to the
and they were that would seem to be an
obvious you have these they're somewhat
ancillary to the then
it's not contradicted by that
the ensuing discussion as we're about to
see is going to be completely
non-applicable and maybe that's what
they're calling me to be so the say that
the problem with that is that those
being that they were and they were so
posh that they're not part of the yeah
Maybe if you look at it with flesh and
you would say I don't know maybe it's
part of the azor but we do know it's not
part of the azara and the only know that
the
again could be part of the azor is if so
that's why the doesn't even entertain
the
because it's so obvious the only that
maybe you would be coming to be is and
that's a problem it can't be with that
because it's a foolish that says
on Maybe that
means meaning
is that it's going to be considered but
not
we're talking on a level but says is
that true
we have a for this
is specifically addressing this case
allowed to enter
the
are allowed to eat and now
had to be eaten in the azara
also had to be eaten in the azara. How
do we know that? It's a pos but really
the behind it is because the was right
if the kach has to be eaten in the so
that's
come together in this case it says the
how do you know that
were allowed to be eaten even in the
I know from a it says
so we have to see the whole the is in
It's talking about the it says
the leftover of the should be eaten by
right.
They should be eaten in a form of
where in a place of
and they should eat it in the
were bothered with the redundancy of
this.
which means the and then the says
which means the so why the have to tell
it to me twice says the it's coming to
be not only the but even the
in the words of the
takes out the word but
the was coming to me that not only could
you eat in the kof
But even in those you'd be able to eat
it as well. But what do you see from
here? You see that the
have a dinner of a and not only they
have a rises he can't tell me the name
of his father we're coming to be when
they said that is
these
that says and it's a that learns this
from a which makes it a can't
said the terrorists. He said
you have to say that as it relates to as
it relates to
that have to eat
and that is going to be true even for
the
but it's only for it's not and what's
the reason
but it's only with regards to as relates
or as it relates to
over there you're not going to have
that. So in other words had to defend
the and the way he defended them was by
saying that as much as the saying that
the
are not considered
that isn't it isn't it the answer is yes
however the are talking specifically
about and we're not talking about now
the truth is before we go we have to
revisit what said right let's look at
what said
He only said it about definitely is with
what said in the name of his father
this
oops
he said it regarding he said it
regarding but he also said it regarding
we just said that never meant it
regarding
But the terrorism is very posit
what we're saying is that in the
there's a to be had and the is here and
not there the is only negate the latter
two things that said in the name of his
father again it's not a false statement
as it relates to it's just that that
inference is not going to be true
regarding a as it relates to the
are going to be treated really like but
the continues and the says you're
telling me that as relates to these
are not considered and that's
and that's part
of there's another
as it relates to these
are allowed to enter and they'reowed
Right. This is already that we see that
we had it in the
we had it in the brought and he had it
ready for the third time. Okay. So far
there's no kesh over here. This is not a
ste to anything because yeah we know
it's based on a
column.
This is also good right because that's
what want they want. But as it relates
to everything else,
the problem is the next words
that even with regards to even with
regards to what's
that these are going to be considered
and if that's the case we have a real
kasha. Now why do we have a real kasha?
Well, as relates he said
and we're explaining that he's coming to
be these here you have that says what
about the name of his father. So there
you can technically give because just
like we said when he said it could be
could be as it relates to it's also we
would have been going which is what the
says
more than the name of his father but
either way it's a problem in the because
we're trying to say that could be shiny
and here you have here you have that
but the garra says like this
Doesn't the price say right it says in
the no if it says
then it makes sense that you should say
as well. So this needs a little bit of
help from Rashimar's
timing that really it doesn't make any
sense why there should be a difference
between
as it relates to these meaning you want
to tell me there's a between
that makes sense it's based on a
but what would be the in the world to
say that these are not considered
considered a with regards to but they
are considered a with regards to it
makes absolutely no sense. It's so much
doesn't make sense that there must be
some
that needs to be made. Something's off
with the and we need to change
something. Either we have to make into
so be consistent with
the of or you have to say that there's
no problem of which will make it
consistent with the laws of but you have
no choice but to go one way says the
we have I think what we should say is
we'll say that the price doesn't mean it
really means and if it means
And not only is this Bryce, I'll just
speak this out
on
but to the contrary it's actually
and by the way to say it even more not
only is it
that as much as
regarding
and that's what the price is saying the
price is exactly the up until this point
what the price was saying is
based on a
why because it's not part of the
and not and not
but rather
again because it's not part of the
either you want to ask me from this it's
there's an edit that has to be had and
if that's the case why not just make the
edit to make it all work make literally
it all work even with and if that's the
case there's no kash But the gar says
it's not what you're saying. The whole
premise to change a price right as much
as we say that you can change prices
sometimes definitely more so than you
can mishn. But this is like a last
resort last resort. It's not something
you do unless you're forced into doing
it. In this bra we feel like we're
forced into doing it because it makes no
sense that should be in.
But the says I disagree with that whole
premise. I'll explain to you very
clearly why could be in
and this is really where it seguates
from yesterday's
and I'll tell you why would be
has to be these
even though but they're on the side
they're not connected and that they're
not connected so it's for that reason
the is that in
my But as it relates to over there,
there's no
and if there's no of
so there's no reason to assume that the
would be in
I'll tell you that would be and just
like you find that you could eat the so
maybe would be as well and if that's the
case you can have a meaning if it's to
make a either in in or
So we'll make that in and we'll make it
with but is the it's not at all. It's
not again you could explain it but it's
not from the why is it not from the
because the whole was how could it be
I'll tell you very simple because these
I'll tell you have a
you see regarding
it's not a right I'll tell you it has a
regular you want to know why because
when it comes to is a special has to be
but the says that being that there's no
to make the cuz I could rationalize why
you would be in so if that's the case
you have no to make and if you no to
make the
but says I disagree with you you can't
say in this is that the reason
is not because it's not
it is that's why you can
the reason
Because if that's the case,
aren't we talking even in aka where it
is? You tell me
as if to say it can't be talking about
where there was
can't be meaning it's it has to also be
talking about and I'll tell you why
because if not then what do I even need
this for? Meaning even
see you tell me the whole
it makes no sense because even this
price is coming to
and it's telling me that when it comes
to it's even where all other things are
okay checks OFF EVERY OTHER BOX. THE
ONLY ISSUE IS IT'S NOT
IT'S PART OF these and you tell me that
means it's not considered. best not
consider then why should we be
considered as it relates to as it
relates to Ella you must say right you
have no choice you have to say that
there's a edit that has to happen
meaning
even though it's
well if it doesn't
then it makes perfect sense to make the
say as it relates to as well and like
this.
So again
the name of his father when they said
that
hey what they were coming to be was not
was not what they were coming to were
the
and what they were saying was that in as
much as we find that those litkoys have
a Right, let's say it a little now. They
have with regards to because it's a
and it's a that learns it from a
that's only with regards to but as it
relates to as it relates to isn't it
that says that regarding those
if you have like that the answer is yes.
However, this is a Bryce that's
really it requires an edit. It requires
a
and if the then the BC is not a on but
it's a
that even though with regards to we
treat it as a but with regards to
nothing to do with regards to it's not
aes and with regards to it is not aes
which is precisely what the
said says the
one thing that emerged from the shakario
that we just said is that as much as
that has to be but there's no
to where do you see that because
entertained that maybe the
regarding everything it'd be a problem
with the that the began with but maybe
has a den of
a kadesh regarding anything stating that
because those are not
is that
also has to be well that would then mean
that you can't eat in those either for
the same reason it would be and the same
price that said where the mean it's
because it's not said that means when
the
just entertaining
of the issue in this bryer is
And it has no problem with being
is of the opinion that this is only true
with regards to it's not true with
regards to and is going to have two
cautious with this one from a and the
other from a first theor
is that true when it comes
to the
if this sounds familiar because it was
in yesterday's
So there were these two small doors that
were by the
was the room where all the were all the
knives were and these were eight tall
and the reason that they were there was
so the longer version of this gamarra
was yesterday's d but for now if you
remember the gammorra said that by
having these doors you were able to
create a situation where the lishka
would now be
so what? So now you'd be able to eat
there and you'd be able to kachum there.
What does it sound like from the you
need
hence this construction so that you
should okay that we know but also that
you should be able to eat
that even
requires
said it's a great kasha but I have even
a better
just erase the word right can't beat
that and if you take out the word ail
well obviously the whole kasha is not a
kasha but now thear asks a kasha from a
viv The says
so this P is talking about the carbon
that were brought during the
and the Pik says that they brought these
special carbon and then they were told
that this is a that they had to cook the
basar and eat it by the pes of the oil.
So it's that when you're eating you have
to eat it but says that was a special
carbon those would never be brought
again and as a result as it relates to
so there could be there's a has to be
connected but you can't bring
to
from something that's only exhale this
concludes the first part of today's d
the second part of today's daf is very
longish this is an often quoted suga in
the world of
and it's the of
so high level we know the is that
carbonas had to be brought during the
day in the event that
did a
3:00 in the afternoon and then he looks
outside and it's the sun is setting at
that point the dam becomes possible and
as a result you'll never be able to do a
z with that dam Now we're familiar with
the concept of right? in Mura for
example that are left out overnight by
the next morning they become possib
of but it becomes pos not
after two days and a night but rather
So as soon as the sun sets at that point
this d becomes possible what the is and
what are some of the ramifications of
this that is the balance of today's
said
how do you know that becomes possible
you know it from the following now we'll
read the whole it says
in the event that somebody bought a
carbon and the carbon was a nether or a
now the pik is about to describe the of
this carbon which means that what kind
of nether or is it it's a schlam right
because a nether or can be either an
orlan like it's not ethan so back of the
envelope arithmetic process of
elimination right it's pretty
straightforward by definition this must
be carbon schlum so we're talking about
a schlum so the tus says
The person that brings the can eat it on
the day that he brought it. Meaning the
day that you bring the carbon, you can
eat it.
And you can eat it the next day as well.
This is an interesting word. In fact,
it's a tricky word. And anything that's
left over on that second day,
you're you're allowed to eat from it as
well. Essentially, what the Torah is
telling us in a long-winded way is that
which we already knew such as the
garbage is eaten for two days and a
night. So what's
the day that you brought it and the next
day as well when it says in the
it doesn't mean when it's possible once
it's possible if somebody would eat from
it would be means it was left over for
the second day. Ramb we have read on
this from the last says that you see the
refers to
day two as he's from here that there's a
mitzvah to eat the first day even by
which is technically eaten for two days
and a night what's the fact that the
refers to it as how do you use that word
noer is like saying piggle right how
could you invoke a word like that and
then say you can go ahead and eat it
says it's m that on some level it's aer
this does not know sir that you're
allowed to eat. But either way says the
this talking about what it's talking
about
is
where do you see it? Because it says
means
means and we learn from here
that has to be the so if I shack it
today I have to do this today but once
the sun sets it's not today anymore it's
already tomorrow and being that it's
already tomorrow so it's not the
how could I use this to teach me.
I need it for the
This is a very important every word,
every syllable in this is needed to
teach me the was eaten for two days in a
night. Nothing extra over here to teach
me says the no
why did have to say
it could have just said the word is
extra it's coming to teach me
meaning you're right the part of this is
something that's very very needed but
the word that's extra Terry didn't have
to say that and the fact that mentioned
the word must be to teach me this
maybe not maybe the whole is coming to
tell me this
and you want to know why the told me
I'll tell you why because it's what
means to say
if you're going to do this today then
you can eat the today and the next day
meaning you have two days to eat it and
maybe what the Tory is saying by saying
is that if you would do this tomorrow
then you'd be able to eat the tomorrow
and the day after that meaning maybe the
reason the terror is telling me is
because the two days is totally not in
the it's
so why you tell me once you tell me I'll
tell you why because is not which means
and can happen on two different days and
that the two days and the night is
totally not
It's totally so I hear if that were the
case I can live with that but if that's
what the was coming to say
then it should have only said
why did tell me again the p is coming to
tell me you want to tell me the reason
it mentioned is because it's totally
okay why you tell me why do you have to
tell me and if it's totally in this so
don't tell me and if
Don't tell me. Why did the Torah tell me
both? There's a that's coming to be
this.
It's coming to be for them and to teach
me.
This is the grace of
And this next reads a little bit like a
Ken does the ofen and he had a mash
pickle. The mash pickle was your classic
pickle that he is going to eat the
and the he had in mind that he's going
to eat the baser was
it was the night after the second day.
So again kachum kum is eaten for two
days and a night. So the first day you
could eat it that night you could eat
it. The following day you could eat it.
The night after that you can't eat it
anymore. So if somebody would have a to
eat the ber then would that be or not
says the
says no it would be
says that it would be
says it would be kosher
why
right at this point it's already you're
not let anymore so if you're not let you
had a mind to eat but the reason it's
going to be
into because at the end of the day
there's no mitzvah noer yet at that
point because although it's noiser
technically from the standpoint that
you're not allowed to eat it but the
mitzvah that's not something that
happens until the next morning as we'll
see soon the is going to learn that from
a I mean that the mitzvah with the
doesn't happen until the next morning so
it's not really and if it's not really
so therefore it's not consider
said it's going to be ple
And the reason is because you can't eat
it and being that you can't eat it, it's
considered and that's enough for it to
be a problem. So the that next night
again the first day it night second day
and the following night we're referring
to the arishi. Why we calling it the
arishi? Because it's the eve of what
would be the third day. You have two
days that you're allowed to eat it. This
is the eve of the third day. If a client
would have a mak would it be a machete
or would it not be avo
there? But then again, it's not yet at
the point where the Torah says that you
have to treat it like regular
which we know as
so iter
because there's no. So do you treat it
or not?
Why? Because at the end of the day
at the end of the day,
what would be if somebody eats from a
carbon carbon, but he ate it that third
night? Again, we said you're not allowed
to, right? But let's say somebody went
ahead and he did it anyways.
Said you would be from what? from the of
meaning it's not considered noiser and
being that it's not considered noiser
that of that somebody has if he eats
you're not going to have and the reason
is this is
views that third night is not regular
and as a result you're not going to be
because at the end of the day you're not
allowed to eat it if you're not let to
eat it that means it is noer and if it
is noiser well that's the case then it's
going to be a problem. You're going to
be as well. So really two is in between.
They both seem very much with regards to
the eve of what would be the third day.
Do we treat it like regular?
Do we treat it like a regular or not? On
the one hand, you're not let but then
again there's no until the following
morning. said I don't view this as
regular
if someone would have to eat the bus
then it's not considered
if somebody would physically eat it he
violated this man of when you're
supposed to eat it there is some
involved but at the same time wouldn't
be says at the end of the day it's not
this man of this therefore would be and
it is nicer as much as there's no yet it
is nicer and it's for that reason if
somebody would eat from it he would be
talking
aer that supports
as relates to this
that's allowed to be eaten for one day.
So let's just uh back up for one second
before we start this. So we're talking
about kachum column now kachum column
can be eaten for two days and a night.
That's in contrast to kachi kadashim
which is eaten for a day and a night.
Right? So let's get this clear. Just if
we can visualize it makes this price
very simple. Kachadashim Kayen's brew a
carbon at three o'clock in the afternoon
the boser you could eat from now until
the end of the day that entire night you
could eat it once the sun sets on the
next morning that's when you run into
problems if it was kachum column you
could eat it the rest of the day you can
eat it the whole night you could even
eat it the whole tomorrow it's once the
sun sets on tomorrow that's when you're
going to end up having a problem so the
bryer now discusses all the
very easy
that could eaten only for a day.
as it relates to a pigle of
what's of when it's considered
and that's based on
who said
if a can have
regarding eating the or being
when would it be
right that's very posh you could eat it
the whole night because We can eat for a
day and a night. You could be it the
whole night, right?
Where's that first
once the morning comes it's already
then it's going to be already. So again
with regards to the
and of
what about Colin that could eat him for
two days and a night.
as it relates to
right once the sun sets at that point
that's already going to be considered
as it relates to
that's
why is it that because the of
are the same as the of you could be it
the rest of the day the entire night but
by the next day it's going to be
at that point you wouldn't be able to be
mured anymore and this is the punch line
this is the kind of as relates to the is
when the sun sets on the second day
what's the because at that point you're
not let it anymore and therefore if you
would have to eat it then it would be
why it's right because that's whether or
not it's from
that was
said
I don't care if it's not
which part of the brace the last line of
the bra that when it comes to
with regards to it's not the first night
that's for it's
when ready for the second night that
elaborates And some of these
you would think that could be eaten on
that third night. Meaning you would take
it for granted that you can't eat.
If you would have to eat it during that
time, would it be would not be
but one thing is for sure you're not let
it eat. Then what's the says the Bryce?
So you would have thought that maybe you
even could.
You find that can be eaten for one day
and you find that can be eaten for two
days
just like when it comes to that can be
for one day. We know the night follows
that it comes along with a night says
the
you would think that even for two days
maybe the night afterwards meaning
you get the night together with the day.
So maybe when it comes to you get the
night as well. So it says in the P
and we learn from there.
So what's this? So first of all the
it says
you can eat carbon on the day that you
brought it
and the next day as well. Clearly we're
talking about
and anything that's left over by the
third day has to be burnt. This is a
little bit of a tricky and a little bit
of a tricky pit. The way you read this
is
that's you're allowed to eat it. The
next part of the
that's you're not allowed to eat it. In
fact, you have to burn it. Meaning this
is talking about real bonafide as
opposed to what? as opposed to the
it says
here it says
hence the dead giveaway that that noiser
is the eat
this noiser is a a regular noise
standing
anything that's left over up until the
third. No, whatever's left over on the
third day that you're supposed to go
ahead and burn that even though of this
right in light of the we can appreciate
this.
Even though the of this is talking about
that you're not allowed to eat.
And by the way, if somebody would need
it even
but the word is coming to teach me
another way to in this and that the word
is not the bad noiser, but the word is
actually the good. And the way you read
it is like this.
And whatever's left over because you
remember in the other P we called
whatever is left over you can eat this
is the end of the day the but once IT'S
NIGHT ALREADY AT THAT point you're not
going to be able to eat it. The word
is coming to tell me up until when I'm
allowed to eat. And even though it says,
but I know the word noiser could mean
what I'm not allowed to eat or the
already used as a precedent that means
anything that's left over on the second
day when I actually am allowed to eat
it. So again,
whatever on the third day but didn't
like the word. They felt there was a
over here. Not they didn't like but
there was a to be had. It's
so said
is referring to the second day and how
much into the second day are you allowed
to eat
but once it's already light at that
point you wouldn't be able to as much as
therefore there would be some sort of to
say that if the night comes together
with the day so maybe here too the night
should come together with the day that
that's
really not the case continuing along in
the B so
you would think that if you not let it
eat the buster of at night. Okay, so
maybe there should be a mitzvah for
right away. Now that was also from the
affformentioned between
that as much as they both agreed that
column that night but there's no that's
why there was a that's why it's
hold that you're not going to because
there's no strafe until the next day
even he agrees with the premise right he
doesn't say I disagree with the premise
I agree but at the same time
is nicer so you should be. But either
way, says the price of you would have
thought that maybe at night really you
could do and it actually would make a
lot of sense
that could be eaten for one day and that
could be eaten for two days. Just like
when it comes to that's eaten for day,
right? When this man passes, they not
let it eat it anymore, which is what the
morning after.
I mean that the
so maybe by already there should be a
mitzvah of
the says this is an easy draw
if the says you do it during the day.
This is something that has to happen
during the day. It's not something that
has to happen at night. It's not
something that can happen at night.
Either way, from
we learn that
can be eaten for two days and one night
you don't get that second night. And
from
we learn that in as much as you can't
eat the on that second night what the
refers to as the but at the same time
you can't do the until the next morning
until it actually is the now we're going
to stop here stating that I just want to
segue into a related rabbi and that is
one of the classic tofus in makim
It's the much longer of the two asks.
How do you know that D becomes poss
that I don't understand why
to tell me that D becomes possible as if
to say once the sun sets at that point
we're not going to be able to do
anything with this D. He said it's
arithmetic that I won't be able to do
anything with this D. Why could you do
anything with this D? Of course not.
We know all have to be done during the
day. You can never do avoid at night. So
once it's from the standpoint of doing
the then
that's obvious you can't do. Now once
the sun rises on the next morning well
at that point the dam already became
possibelina because if a mim become
possibelina the next morning for sure
dam would also become possibelina
argues. And if that's the case, why do I
need a that is
based on everything we know up until
this point,
it should be a very obvious inference.
At night, you can't do this because the
next morning the D is already possible,
you know. And if that's the case, then
by definition, you're backing into the
fact that D is why do I need a D. The
truth is Rashi doesn't ask this gasha
because Rashi almost never asks any
gashes. But it's very obvious from the
last line of Rashi here on
that Rashi was bothered by this and he
felt in him being
of he needed to address it. The last
line of the
we know this
is
meaning as much as
the next day. What would be if the spent
the night on the so there's a that holds
that there's no
says that that
of
is only
the
that holds that there's no
if there's no
so there could have been a of how you
would do a you wouldn't do it at night
But at the same time, the next day you'd
be able to do it. What's
if you wouldn't be able to be the next
day because it's
you would not be able to do the next day
because it' be it's not so pushing that
you can't be mocked the next day. It's
totally whether
or
but according to the mama that holds no
you could be if that's the case you'd be
able to do
that there's no
that's the way Rashi learns clearly
coming to address but when he asks Kasha
that Rashi was already earning it and
jumps on and says very
afraid
to rash answered the according to half
of according to the holds that
and says a ter and then says another
terret and it's other terret that's very
very famous it's so famous that we don't
even realize how famous it is brings
that said that
it doesn't mean it doesn't mean in fact
said that if you look around you find
that this term
sometimes is referring to the onset of
night but sometimes kazal used the word
and they meant That's way before night
72 minutes I don't know but it's way
before nighttime when said here in
it means the earlier it means what
famously referred to as and that's
really and being that it's really
without the
you to do his RECO RIGHT THEN AND THERE.
You know why? Because it is and it's
included in the
even though
you're not going to be able to go ahead
and do his reco. But either way, Tom
said that not all mentioned in were
created equally. They don't all mean the
same thing. There's a that's there's a
that's this of course is the basis is
the basis for the famous
that we're all familiar with where it
comes from who would have thunk it. It
comes from a real
not to be feared. This is not the only
that it comes from. There's mentioned
Shabas where you would expect it to be.
It's mentioned in the end
that you would also expect it to be as
it relates to the related rabb
that we went through together
when we were learning. It's called what
time is candle lighting where we went
through
really from the ground up until some of
the contemporary nuances that relate to
this sham and we are going to stop here.
So just to go back to
yesterday's raid bite which began very
much allar it began very much on a on
the and then it digressed a little bit.
So today Sashem will continue a little
bit on that digression and really
discuss some foundational principles, a
little bit of lumbus as well as it
relates to understanding the idea of
Shabas as relates to understanding as an
extension of that the idea of hashm and
as relates to understanding the idea a
little bit of but we ended off with a
little bit of a problem and that is if
there's a mitzvah
according to all the Rama
And there's two ways to be either or by
So if that's the case, are we ever or
the mitzvah of
the Shabas would have to happen before
Shabas Shabas starts.
If that's the case, you would have to
before have either been shabas verbally
or at the very least believe or say if
you make an early shabas but if you
don't make an early shabas so where is
it ever that you're
shabas are we
every single shabas by not doing
something proactively to be shabas and
the truth is there areim who who talk
about this and they say that that's what
you're supposed to do that you're
supposed to figure out a way and build
it into your shabas protocol to be
shabas there's a
and you have to be aware of it because
if you're not aware of it you can miss
the boat and you can end up being
mitzvah of but I think that it's just
exploring this in a little bit in order
to explore we have to take a a step back
and we need to really delve into some
raid again we're going to take the long
scenic route We could do the do this in
a much shorter way but delve into some
raid that we've left on the table going
back to and really most most recently
only a few do ago
was discussing how long
it would take for a person to travel
during the day or how much time a person
can travel during the So the Gmorra said
like this
is talking how much is a person
travel during the day
one par equals 4 million which means a
person travels 40 million what's the
breakdown
person travels for mill
from
another formula between
a person travels 32 million. Either way,
the Tana said that a person travels
from.
So if you want to know in terms of how
far a person can travel what the she is
between
the is formula
asks from another
it's another and the time of that is the
same the over there is discussing mashes
so mmashes is what we loosely define as
twilight that's between day and night.
It's a suffic if it's day and night.
It could be it's either day, it could be
it's either night. Therefore,
therefore, anything that ever happens,
you can always go
it starts
and it continues
as long as the eastern front is read.
So says that begins by and it continues
and
what exactly this means rabb said that
in terms of in terms of what is saying
is is that starts by and it continues
for a period of time that's the
equivalent of 3/4 of a mill. So the
amount of time a person be able to
travel 3/4 of a mill that's the shear of
so it starts
it continues
which means it's 3/4 of a mill after
that it's not being anymore which means
by definition it's at that point they
say it's like argued and said it's not
three quarters of a mill but rather it's
twothirds of a meal we have a whenever
there's between with three exceptions to
the rule. We pass him like even though
the says
that was a
we like we pass like
as a result all the
is like that the according to is 3/4 of
a mill. starts by and it ends 3/4 of a
mill later. That's when
between the two here
that said that how long would it take a
person to travel from
here
was discussing the
and he said it's from
up until
which is a 3/4 of a mill. How much time
is there between
is it 4 million
or is it 34 of a mill
it's
and in both places brings the same exact
ter in the name of the same
in the name of
And said because of this, you have to
say that the was referring to
and the that the was referring to in
is not the same. That means even though
the word
would is is a very general term and you
would think wherever Kazal used the word
they meant the same thing but it must be
there's two it must be this two and the
of and the
is not the same the of
is referring to what we know as sunset
when the sun begins
the of
is what we know as sunset which is when
the sun begins to set and
that from when the sun begins to set
what we know what your calendar will say
up until
that's how long it would take a person
to travel from from
it's where the says in
that from
it's only 3/4 of a mill it doesn't mean
it doesn't mean what we know as but
rather it's referring to some later
point in the setting of the sun what
epically referred to as
and from
that's three of a mill in other words
there's two there's the
and there's the
that's referring to what we know and
from that until it's
the of
that's referring to a much later time
it's referring to from that point until
is only 3/4 of a mill. So if you do the
back back of the envelope arithmetic
from
until essentially is three and a quart
of a mill right because is 4 million
after it's 3/4 of a mill after which
means the difference between
simple math is going to be three and one
of a mill that's said to answer this but
what emerges then is that according to
baymashes doesn't start with but rather
starts with
it doesn't start when your calendar says
but rather it's 3 and a4 million later
it's at that point that starts and it's
not
until another 3/4 of a mill later the
point is according to
Laya starts much much later than
stating that the vagian in his beer grow
brings and in one of the longest beer
grows in he asks cash after cash after
he was not masked to raen the belt says
over that said that when he sees
he has three days worth of cashes to ask
and I heard from he said over in the
name of that
in this mero and he used to say that the
coin said he had three days worth of to
ask he said that's what the kitser of
the vulgarian right everyone knows how
the kits of the vulgarian wrote and with
the of you can imagine how that
conversation is going to go and he said
three days worth of the and with the but
the said he doesn't understand it and he
opened up he has a bunch of cautions but
his first line literally chapter 1 verse
one and this long famous is
he says the mitas is not that way says I
don't understand we know what is it's
dark outside you're going to tell me you
have to wait from until it's night time.
It's not true. The may not that way and
as a result the just fighted away and he
said the can't be like muam had a good
he had a steer didn't just decide to say
such a he was trying to reconcile two is
a steer in when exactly is it 3/4 of a
mill after or is it four million after
so he had no choice but to say this
there must be there must be a so the
said no in the two is a little bit
differently
That's was referring to and three of
after
is already
says
from
it takes him four million. So we just
learned this so we could appreciate it a
little bit better. It's not a now this
is literally
so we can is not talking about
was discussing astronomy
we're trying to just figure out how much
a person can travel
is not the
is not the three stars
which
now defines this man as being we're
talking about a person that's traveling
people are willing to travel when
there's a few stars outside but when
it's
and it's pitch dark at that point you're
going to shut down that's what the is
referring to a person's going to travel
from until
and that's a much later time like Tom
said that's for me later but in terms of
the
that's not what was referring to that
was referring to
which was the
but from a perspective you want to know
said is three quarters of a mill. It's
not 3/4 of a mill after in other words
answered the steer between the
by saying there's two
answer by saying there's two
but the point is we have a between
how to reconcile this a major major with
ramifications that are literally every
day and every night and that is when
does Laya start? When does Laya start?
So if you ask when's
what about that's true is already
and because of that we're always
already so let's talk in terms of so
when does bash mash start according to
the start
it's look at your app or look at your
calendar what time is so you're going to
know what time is at that point you shut
down if it's or whatever the
is according
No, no, you have another three and a
quart mill
the doesn't start until now just to
appreciate a little bit just to
appreciate a little bit the
ramifications of of this and that is so
the difference the delta between the
lila and
is three and a/4 million. So how does
that translate into minutes? says how
long a meal is
18 minutes, 22 1/2 minutes, 24 minutes.
So the shortest year is 18 minutes and
the longest year is 24 minutes and
people usually go depending on whatever
whatever the is going to be. If you take
3 and a/4 and you multiply by 18, it's
58.5.
If you take 22 and 1/2 and you multiply
it by 3 and a/4, it's 73 minutes and
change. And if you take 24 and you
multiply it by 3 and a/4 it's 78 minutes
and change that's a long time meaning
the difference between
when happens just tack on another 3/4 of
a mill but the difference is going to be
anywhere between an hour and an hour and
20 minutes. So according to if now is
Laya according to you have another 18
minutes you have another 78 minutes you
have a long long long time just to put
it into a little bit more perspective
this week
Lakewood New Jersey is 5:35 that's when
that's when
is 553 according to
is 553 according to Shabas this week is
going to be anywhere between 650 and 710
depending depending on which sheet you
want to go with. The chabas says we will
be after 7:00. Okay.
Shabas is 7:00, right? You don't get so
much dramatic effect from that. But
let's translate this into
which is going to be 8:30. According to
Shabas doesn't happen until 10:00 at
night. Literally Shabas is 10:00. What
time shabas? Tonight and 9:52. You have
plenty of time, right? That's what time
shabas is. Literally it's 10:00. But
that's that's according to So who do we
pass?
And so what's the who do you pass like
in two places
and where he talks about this
past like it's not even up for
discussion the can bring the villag was
a commentary on the so there's one
that's brought down it's the town brings
it he says that the pass like is like
there's no question in the world this is
not up for discussion that
like so we talk about
or we talk about these types of if
someone
it's according to the because
like
showed me a safer where somebody was
and he has 70
no less than 70 that held at like Tom or
said what Tom
Meaning the without question
stating that stating that the is not so
and really the one that that more than
anyone brought it out with a with a
tremendous was the
Mishna a little bit but much more in the
cotton base it's
a long piece but it flows and it's
inside. So the brings everything that we
just said the steer between the two and
then he brings the sheet of and the says
regarding the
he says that this is not a new
brought the sheet of
the and he brings
that he found this of
the so not to conflate
the was just the but this is the as in
before these
either said
that this
even though people think it's a
but
this is an old and shak spoke about it
already and he said he found it
literally by the
and then he goes and he brings that the
prag held this way and he brings it that
it's mashed that way from a raan and
from a and he brings it from the safest
there
that he also came out like so he says if
that's the case being that all these
held this way he says it's to me that it
would it would be
it would be to be
he says he says that if you have so many
that in that way that to go and to be in
a question of sufficilo is going to be
raw.
And he says, I'm not only saying this
with regards to
that even though
and really at first glance it would seem
like there was
and we know the was he argued within
very often and just like Rav was a Tanu
the was
but at the same time you would think
that if the
should be like but made a revolution and
he said that I found it from
not that way and he found it in the
and it's and he came out and he said to
all not only which is but by all
and it's because of that that every
single Kamatis Mahm everybody takes on
these there's anecdotes that are told
about the satarov I don't know these
stories and all the act the intricacies
of it but suppose when the satarov came
to America there was a meeting with him
and and got to sat to not go like and
before the war a lot of
can follow again it's the so it's okay
you have to apologize for following the
but at the same time there was this idea
that people were trying to be and to
take on the sheet of which of course was
another day on Israel and then there was
some sort of meeting and some sort of
negotiation where they came up with some
settlement. I think there was some give
and takes on both sides of the aisle.
you have to speak to the but either way
this is what came out and it because
because of this even though the says
that doesn't really happen until much
later but this is the way
but the truth is is that when we start
chabas today right if you look at your
uh your app I suppose so you have and
then you have this ofen
is 18 minutes I think in most places
before
and the question is the question is
where does that come from right What's
what's this 18 minutes all about? What's
what's that all about?
Feinstein in a trua and this is a tru
that we've spoken out many times and
every time we've spoken it out we spoke
it out for a different reason. It's
a short
but there's a lot there. It's
it's
so
being driven to yeshiva on the lower
side. It was afterl
but it was before and somebody saw
sitting in a car and he thought that
passed thought it was inappropriate that
the god is sitting in a car after so he
wrote a letter to and he gave what
referred to as you can't say this but
like he told him I don't understand
he says that he felt he made his case
for why he thought shouldn't have done
that so addresses mentions him by name
and then he says
this is this is a god response he said I
had
that you know there's a
and you took it upon yourself to write a
letter I could tell from the way you
wrote the letter you're a little
uncomfortable but you know there's a
mitzvah and you do what you have to do
right it's clear from's response that
the person felt a little bit like maybe
it would bother him.
He writes,
"I'm never going to do this.
Even there isn't even
there. Not even." And then he tells him
because I'm sure you know
the only time you have maris is if you
do something that most times when people
do this it's somebody sits in a
non-coosher restaurant. Most times
you're not just drinking water. So as a
result you're doing something where
you're doing is interpreted as then even
if you do it there's something called
but to do something that's 100%
because of paranoia that maybe somebody
else is going to think it's right
reminiscent of
that's already not something that you
have to worry about. So he says like
this what I did which was I sat in a car
after
everybody knows women
and the men they do it later
he says here on the lower side we we
light candles 20 minutes before
that's where it is in most places
everybody knows even women
that men have another 18 minutes.
But if you have you have another 18
minutes incidentally what's the 18
minutes so he explains the letter in the
it was 20 minutes early because 2
minutes for Shabas held that the sh of
Shabas is 2 minutes this is where it
comes from this he says we have another
18 minutes because it's a of two minutes
for Shabas. So it says that that shabas
when you saw me
that's what week it was 4:32
49 you know exactly what he did it was
4:19 when he was sitting in the car he
knew that was 4:32 you know how much
time he had he said that I was able to
drive
pun intended
I could have done a ride that was five
times the amount of time and I still
would have isn't I would have had like
two minutes to that you need he says not
everybody knows this because not
everybody knows that that's not enough
of reason to make it into a sign but
concludes I'm skipping
but being that you feel that some people
might think it's
a second time in the same not to do it
and then
listen to the sensitivity. I'm giving
you a bra that in the of the mitzvah of
and the of the mitzvah of shabas that
you clearly have you should be all the
and all the that come from the and he
this was I once saw
that he said that he went he said over
this and he told he said
he said this is he said but I'll
component this tru there's so much there
but of that's said he says the whole
idea of 20 minutes or 18 minutes
whatever exactly that shar is the is
and it's a mic that women took upon
themselves they're the ones that light
candles so they're the ones that took
upon this m but for a man there's no
such and there's no question that's not
something you have to do and the god
felt that this whole 18 you need no
question not it's
you know when that is there's a mitzvah
said okay you have come on 2 minutes for
but if you're lighting candles 20
minutes earlier a man is going to have
18 minutes
there was a there's a very
he's my brother Penny Harowitz's
grandfather
wrote to
came out so sent
was
and he printed many of them in the
beginning of our base. So if you have
base from siml until
it's all responses from
it's responses to some of the he asked
him in sim in simvos
mentions one of the that had and it was
on this cha right here in sim. So told
he read the about sitting in a car and
it was during that time between
felt that what's the problem.
So it shouldn't be an issue but he said
that he has a and he said that he wants
to he wants to suggest another
understanding perhaps of why the min is
to light candles 18 or or 20 minutes
before and that's based on a third in
the world of we mentioned the is 3/4 of
a mill from we mentioned the which is
also the
which is 3/4 of a mill after but there's
a third and that's the of the and the
brings the sims have gotten based the
which was written by
one of the histo
is 3/4 of a mill that's
but not 3/4 of a mill after it's 3/4 of
a mill before that's when it is it's 3/4
of a mill before in fact the brings that
the brings the and the B says that they
were kihilo that were m to start shabas
early and the reason they were m to
start shabas early is because they took
on the sheet of the bey like the of the
is that it's 3/4 of a mill before
told there's a mic in to light candles
early 18 minutes 20 minutes wrote in the
it's I don't know it's a mik and it's a
mic for the one to candles but shabas
shabas starts with and for shabas IS 2
MINUTES SO it ends up starting a little
bit earlier but you don't have to go
before that anything you do before that
is a meaning and it's a form so what
does a man have to do with that fell
there's not even an Indian to be there's
no
said I don't know if that's true maybe
the reason there's a mic is because OF
THE AND THE ALREADY BROKE 500 YEARS AGO
there was such a mic and after he brings
it he says
so that means this has teeth.
So he said if that's the case maybe
that's so he said he made a very basic
back of the envelope. He said if the
minute is 18 or 20 minutes he said you
know what must be is because it's the
holds that it's 3/4 of a mill before. So
what's a mill 18 minutes 22 and 1/2
minutes 24 minutes. So they must have
come up with some sheet of what a mill
is 3/4 of that's going to be 15 16
minutes I don't know do the math tack on
another two three minutes for and there
you have your minute of 18 to 20 minutes
but there's a tremendous because
that if it's on men
then everybody has to take on this if
it's no basis in okay so you'll tell me
it's related to lighting candles women
light candles so they have this minute
they have
But if it's related to a what women are
more for the than men are what does that
mean? So now the man has this just like
a woman does. So if that's the case you
have the plus you have another two
minutes. So that's so this was the
and printed printed the first cha he was
going to print the second one. So
printed this cha as well and wrote back.
He says he doesn't agree. He says he
knows it's a he said but we don't paskin
like the we don't pask like it. And he
says not just that
brings the and he was
he wasn't him to the so he said take on
this who said it's interesting to take
on the goita and the go that's a real
shittita that's a shittita that has
tremendous places so he said that's a
shittita that we have to take on there's
no question but to take on the of the
who says you have to take on the says I
don't think that's he said he says there
are certain kilo with Domin is 10
minutes where they light candle 10
minutes earlier. So they said if the
minus they light 10 minutes early that
has nothing to do with the because then
you miss the for the need 3/4 of a mill.
The earliest the shortest share of a
mill is 18 minutes. 3/4 of 18 minutes is
more than 10. So you're going to miss
out.
It's 40 minutes before. So what's that?
That's not says the teres were different
where they took on that the women that
light candles should light candles
early. It was never meant to be the his
with regards to with regards to the we
always talk about being
when it comes to famous
and
where should be
it's not
over here writes in the
Nobody takes on this uranita. So he says
if nobody takes on this he disagrees. In
other words there was a fundamental shil
between
in terms of understanding this minute of
18 minutes and understanding this minute
of 20 minutes. Is it based on
or perhaps or perhaps it's based on it's
based on the but the truth is it could
be there's a third in terms of
understanding in terms of understanding
the idea of lighting candles earlier
very short and that is in
so he says as follows
it's not in that meaning even though the
is that people
early,
but it doesn't have to be that way.
If it's a half hour before
it's already
says that even though Shabas is a
mitzvah and it's a mitzvah you have to
be but really really really you don't
have to be really there's a where Shabas
happens there's where even without your
it's automatically Shabas And what is
that? That's
the
said when that when the said a half hour
before he didn't mean a half hour
before, but he meant a half hour before
he meant a half hour before. So there's
an idea that happens a half hour before.
So if that's the case, then why do we
always talk about being if it happens by
itself? Oh, it's very simple because
what if you want to be Mab earlier? If
you want to be more than a half hour
before say so then already you would
have to make a but otherwise it happens
by itself and then the goes on and he
and he starts shrying and he gives he
said the people don't know this they
don't realize that shabas happens by
itself and they don't realize that it
happens a half hour before
and he says if I would have the he would
start making and he said heard in prag
they make such takas and I wish I could
do it here also but I don't have the I
don't have the ability to do it but if I
would have the ability to do it this is
something that I would institute but
that there's a concept of
that happens by itself and when does it
happen by itself a half hour before a
half hour before is approximately 18
minutes before right give or take it's
approximately the same time but the
point is this would seem to be another
it would seem to be another that there's
an idea of being even
Why even before
is voluntary it's not something I have
to do didn't think so
is actually something that happens by
itself and it happens a half hour before
that's when it happens so if if
15 to 16 whatever minutes before uh so
you figure out what this man is but it's
a half hour before so if it's a half
hour before you're going to end up with
your gonna end up with your sh the
bottom line is the bottom line is is
that you see from the that there's an
idea of starting of for happening by
itself and happening earlier and that
would be another why maybe a person
should should start chabas earlier but
another thing you see in this we'll come
full circle and maybe pick it up with a
part three and another thing that you
see from all this is is that
even though the brings it
there's two ways to be in early shabas
It's something that you have an
obligation to do. It's a mitzvah essay.
But even though you have this mitzvah,
there's two ways to do it. Either you
make avar and maybe even believe or
another way to do this. Another way to
do this is by going and ding. But the
truth is that's just if you want to do
it earlier. But there's a certain
happens by itself. That's in the and
it's hard to it's so says there is this
that happens by itself. Now what's that?
So the is a little ambiguous. He said
what exactly that means
that's what the that's what the said
that the is only two minutes but let's
go with the said that is two minutes but
two minutes happens by itself. So we
started off with a question which is
really the question we ended off with
yesterday and that is a mitzvah
to all the with the exception of the so
there's a mitzvah called
how we carrying the mitzvah of
requires a either
or you have to say
or
something there has to be some of in
order to be shabas or at the very least
what are you doing if you don't make an
early shabas you would M the mitzvah of
Shabas the ter is a shabas that happens
by itself and if there's a jabas that
happens by itself that's where your mice
for however this kah of the is really
ara it's really a big time it's really a
major
it's really a major and that is because
at the end of the day what you end up
with over here is what you end up with
over here is that at the end of the day
you have a because that means Shabas
really starts earlier. So people are
accustomed to thinking that that a woman
lights candles 18 minutes before. So now
you have 18 minutes, right? You start 18
minutes before then you have your 18
minutes and then all of a sudden it's
like it's not true. Man doesn't have 18
minutes. A man doesn't have 18 minutes.
Ra in the cha said 18 minutes. I'm not
sure where this comes from but said in
the cha 18 minutes was clearly talking
about a place where the minute was like
candles 20 minutes before. So he said
you have 18 minutes because you have 2
minutes of t for shabas. So the 18
minutes that's the minute notion that's
not something you have to worry about
that's where the 18 minutes comes from I
think I don't know but to have a full 18
minutes you don't have 18 minutes of
because says that happens by itself was
2 minutes so does a man have extra time
yeah perhaps he has extra time how much
time maybe 16 minutes but not 18 minutes
I think 18 minutes is a is already a
stretch either way we'll stop here but
just a little bit of a of understanding
the way ta shabas works understanding a
little bit understanding specifically
the
and the
will do a part Three.