Zevachim 27

Today's d is and we have three lines from the bottom of we began the of the said on the bottom of is that Every carbon at its own specifically where exactly the zika was supposed to done. The Mishna discusses what happens if the was done. It was done in the wrong place. The Mishna gives different examples of it. And the Mishna concludes ple. Now you learn the ple sounds like the carbon is ple stating that said that when the mishna over here says ple it doesn't mean that the carbon is possible. All it means is that the baser is ple meaning you can't eat the baser. And the way the speak out you can't be the but as it relates to the kapor the carbon the carbon is going to be kasha because even though the tyra did outline exactly where exactly the are supposed to take place but the of only is only with regards to the boser that is said how do I know No, it's only so the bottom line is it depends with regards to it's with regards to the head to the Mishna that says that if someone did it's discussing specifically Because as it relates to the so this morning we went through and the asked from the in the beginning of now the Gmorra is going to ask another from a very but you have to have cupo leo. So this is discussing a kay that was doing the he was doing and at the time he did the he had a the was that when he does this he's going to do a now this is not to be confused with the to do this there's an idea of piggle's pickle is someone's doing one of the and he has in mind either to eat the bos or do means beyond the time that you're to do it beyond the time that you're allowed to do it means outside the place that you're allowed to do it. So that as it relates to would be outside of the Azor as it relates to would also mean outside of the Azor has to be done in the Azor the would mean that you had in mind to do it outside of the Azar. That's not what this person thought. This person had a not to do it but rather to do it. Again, he was doing the and he had in mind he had in mind that he was going to do this if he hadn't mind to do this that day. So he's bringing the on Monday and he has in mind later today on Monday I'm going to do this and I'm going to do it. That's not a for that reason if after he did the with this to do this he then went and did the let's say and he did the very meaning the wasn't possible because the to was not a as a result it's as if he did a regular he did a regular now if he does. It's a regular which is poss if he does the it's poss what would be however if at the time that he did the he had in mind to do this not today but rather so he does the and he's thinking at the time of the on Monday that you know tomorrow I'm going to do this and I'm going to do was. So there the isel as a result. If afterwards he then did the and he had a whether the was to do the whether it was to do it in either case is going to be possible but the aim by is not going to be cars. Why is there no if the was to do? Because being that when you did the to do the it already disqualified the carbon, it made the carbon possible. So at that point the carbon's possible once the carbon's posing that this carbon is possible. So it's for that reason it's not going to be a machev's pigle. But the gar makes one. What was the safa of this bracelet? The part of the bracelet that we need somebody was doing. And at the time he did the he had in mind to do this. That's another way of saying but was not pigle. Why is it only possible? It's then essentially it was a regular it was to do. Now was to do the but is irrelevant because at the end of the day so essentially had a regular pickle. inside the pleaf. Why does the safer say it's but not pigle it's pigle because you had mind to do this that you had in mind that was going to be okay maybe you'll tell me it's not a regular but is not when it comes to so comes out at the end of the day had a regular to do this so to be pigle That when it comes to pickle, the only type of that's considered a is a meaning but which the Mishna said explain what does mean? It means that the boss's poss if the reason the boss is because of the piggle the pigle as opposed to something that anyways is the you need to be mounted the bosser doesn't have the ability to be mounted the bosser as a result it's anyways being that it's anyways the pigo in it of itself is not going to have any impact you want to know says the gammor why is it that if a to do this. It's not pigle. It's only it's not pigle. The reason it's not is because even though it's but it's not and when it comes to but there's very important rash before we go back there says how do I know that can't create pigle meaning you need that the pigle should be the reason that this boss is but if this boss is also for another reason there you're not going to have of says that really makes sense if someone had a pigle at the time that he was doing his so now it came time to do this at the time of this you had a to eat the basel let's But you did being that even without the is going to be that you did wasn't as rel so you don't have as a result it's not going to be that makes sense but what was our case our case wasn't when you had at the time you were doing it was just the opposite what happened was you were doing a and you had in mind to is in their mouth is here. You had in mind to do this that you're going to do is also going to be as a result it's not a pickle. Why over the pickle is being the itself was a good it could be you're going to do a regular. It just so happens that when you had a to do a was to do a that wouldn't be able to be mass. But what does it have to do with the Josh? The Josh is over here the is what's being if you had the when you were doing then even without the it would be so there's a but over here you did a regular it's just that you had to do was so at the end of the day though without the only reason the is because of the which means it's so what's the saying? So Rashi asks the Rashi just very cryptically says that the of is with regards to someone that had a when he was doing says the magic words we learn one from the other. What Aragar is saying is really the second step. The first step is we establish that is not a that if you pickle in it that it would be a mash. Mean if you have a pickle while you're doing it's not going to be a mashab. From there I learned that if you to do a that's not even going to be a mashab. Why should that be true? So we're going to have to see that a little bit later. But for now, what the is saying is that really why is it that if it's because when it comes to it has to be and is not the say. So why was it poss what was that price that if you had in mind to dole if it's pigle it should be pigle and if you're telling me that the only time is a problem when you have that then it shouldn't be at all. So the says you're right. So the Gar does this for the first time we have to we have to invoke has a that's going to be mentioned in the third par that anytime a does a and he has in mind that he's going to create a in the automatically is and it knocks out the meaning for example if the ken would have in mind that I'm going to do the and then I'm going to leave the dam over till tomorrow if you leave the dam over to the tomorrow the dam becomes possible it's so you had a to the dam that in of itself is a problem. Says the reason is not because of the to do this. The to do this wasn't a because you need but that's the issue is that if you had a mind to do this tomorrow that means you're having a mind that the D's going to be around tomorrow. That in it of itself is a problem cuz now you just had a for the to be won and that's where you had in mind to leave it for the next day. That's why it's not possible because of the to. It's possible simply because you had in mind to leave the D over for tomorrow. But the bottom line is this is the conclusion of the first the first of three and that's as relates to as relates to the when the Mishna says that the Mishna is discussing the possible which is what it usually means but means that the buser is poss I all the catches worked everything out when the says that is possible. What it means is it's really possible and really how does that make sense? How do you learn the Mishna that says means that the carbon is possible was forced to say that what does mean theor is possible says no really means the carbon is possible but how's that possible when you did it meaning you didn't have a you have to make it says you had a you had piggle over there it's going to be possible but if you would have done it without a piggle over there the would have been that it would have been in other words like that is with regards to it's ple as it relates to the is merely how to learn says that when The mission says it means the boss is possible. You'll ask me a pigle it should be pigle. It should be more than possible. In fact, the Mishna says the term said already but the bottom line is in there's no is so now what the is going to say and the gar is going to say so we're going to save a few but the gar is basically going to say that all the cashes that we asked on who holds are now and obviously all that said is going to work for itself as well. says the Mishna says that's basically a very a bridged version of a whole bas is that the same that we had we're going to end up having the same is just how to learn is a third and first out is that is both held that as it relates to and says the mission is the says what does means the carb is pos so really shouldn't have to say anything beyond that stating that is going to get involved in answering a question a question that the modern Nebi even asked. So we need the rest of the story. The rest of the story is is that this morning earlier on that the had asked on from the first inac the first of the third on that over there discussed the and the said if there's do another asked that as a which is also what's Why do you have to do another and you're doing the other is it possible that you're going to do just to be right we spoke at some rate this morning but the bottom line was asking that why first is very that if you do is the reason it's because our says ple sounds like there's nothing you could do. There's no say it sounds like there isn't a sounds like there is something you could do. So even though seems to be the easy as a result when the Mishna says it means that it's really going to be possible still felt that he had to refine his position a little bit. Let's see it inside. What's our say is that is possible but more accurately which sounds like there's an are both talking about where there was no between the two is our mission is talking about where there was no No, it's possible. You're back into being the base is talking about what was relates to that little nuance it very simply. Bottom line is so we have three sheet is how to learn the Mishna says when the M says what does it mean the B is possible says when the Mish says is possible it talking about that's why it's possible says the reason is possible means the whole carbon is possible and why is the whole carbon possible because now if you remember the Mishna didn't just say possible the Mishna said poss meaning that the Mishna is talking about we're coming with piggle. So it's why the Mishna said the carus because ordinarily pigle is carus over here the pigle is really why does the say what's the cash if even if you had of course it's like it's like pouring it on the floor it's not as so if it's not what's the when you had a machev pickle there should be what was have to do with anything doesn't know says kasha what according to also didn't learn that the mission is talking about so according to what does mean really when the mission says it means the boss was possible the mish is just adding to tell me that what would be a what if that would be possible by and again why the reason would be is Because even so as it relates to the we have three in the as it relates to the we have two is only not in terms had the was earlier and when the Mishna says means there's no no as a matter of fact why isn't himself answered there was no left over there was nothing to be if there was to be it would have Okay, because when the Mishna says pos, it sounds like there is no faith have an why can't you take the dam that was poured on the misbehave it off the mak somehow and do another z with why is it possible why is there no just take the dam and and reuse it now if you if the used d for obviously you can't do another with it once you use it you use it but being that is shouldn't it be like shouldn't it be as If the dam spilled what's the said if it was then it's possible but if then it's so shouldn't it be like and okay so it holds like the holds that if you do even though it's still once it touches the it's off limits you can't reuse it's not reusable you can't take the d and and recycle it that's not an option once it touches the misbeh says we'll see more about that. But the bottom line is at this point it can't be used all over again. Who's this holds that everybody's he did it in the right place. It was it was supposed to be and he did. It was supposed to be and he did a but it was why would it be? Look at the second to last line. It was done with it was done with his left hand is everybody agrees that that time even though it was done he leave it. You can't reuse it. Where was there says you can't touch it says you could take it by the way flips the gear say he flips what is and what says no if that's the case there is a that holds that once you do you can't be mass of it is going to say there are that says possible which is you can't reuse the d It's like that. It's like you can't meaning where it was supposed to be and you ended up doing it. Certainly if it was supposed to be ended up doing it. What's the game? Because the always drifts down to the bottom. So the is like akin. makes more sense that should work if you did because the anyways ends up being as opposed to but the bottom line is everybody agrees in version that if you do was when you put it on the wrong you put on the wrong there it's going to be different what's the bottom line what do you take out of What you take out of this is there's a or maybe met some maybe maybe even but the battle is there that holds that even though it's what's you have to leave it there that's the terrorist it should be like but no the once it touches the at that point it's going to be off limits. So two things. So number one you see clear in this you see clear in these in these and these what do you see very clearly that they held because what's on the one hand on the other isn't this not clear who holds what and what they want. But one thing is for sure, there seems to be a in the world that holds that says that in the third par we're going to see there's another holds. So that the rest of the story is that even though when you learn the at first glance seems to be but really it's this was merely had but they were not the it's already and brices we have one bryer right here we're going to have another one in a moment. So the bottom line is it's already on the level this I'll bring you another from a that what that even this is going to be anotherishn but even still you can't reuse the dam you can't use it again and the background to this Mishna is in which obviously we're not going to learn nowad is and it discusses something that wasn't allowed to go on the ninth paragraph sorry something that's not allowed to go on the for example you had that were possible you weren't allowed to be means you can't put on the misb however there's which means that once they leave them there you don't take it there. So there's certain but then so this next discusses this the teaches me the that's mentioned in also has three is he is a mute and the of is also teaches me that there's three where is Not to the contrary was done at night as in those three cases is not but rather says how do you know to be of those three And this is what we need. So we have a whole list over here a whole menu of that are mentioned. says, "How do you know that by all the affformentioned it doesn't matter what I would think to be another list?" You ready? No, we also have the how do you know which ones to be which one to be? So said I knew it very simply. The first list were all that happened in the mikd there was something wrong with these are all these that happened in the mikdash. The other ones these are not exclusive even though they could happen in the Bik but and as a result as a result those things are going to be excluded. What do we need? We need one part of this that was an example of where nobody argued agreed and Yehuda agreed that it's what does that mean? That means number one that you see that clearly in the and you also see that everybody agrees that it's included in the of the according to so why does say why don't you say if it wasn't it's like it's going to be caution not the pleish So why don't we look at it as a let it be the terret is that's the ter who says it maybe depending on the is then you have aud bunch of that all and so on the topic of we have one last that just like if you put something on the same is true for the if you put something I know that from the so you see it was supposed to be put it was apostle and so why do I need to tell me I know says had we only had I would have thought I would have thought that the only time you say of that's only something that usually goes on the so what ever went on the dam for the and the that's what went on everything else So I would have thought you're right that was supposed to go that you put on you say but that's because something let's say the carbon would be there's never that was born it's not when he said even something that's like that was put on the because the only time you have this the only time you have this of is if it was okay but also if it was clearly right isn't that what it Doesn't it say only with what we just said the we're saying that it's not just with this says you have to learn like this is also you're right if was put on it's you know why is only not is not at all just the opposite has even more of an ability to such as even why would that be the case? Meaning why would the have an ability to even bead such as which never goes on the whereas the does not have the ability to such as that never goes on. The reason is because the sign was viewed as Rashi says it was like an extension of the there was no to the being that it's looked at as it has less than as opposed to was a race. How do you know it was a clich? Because it was being that it was nimsh but the that's was viewed as a kali. It was viewed as a kali. So that's going to be looked at as differently as a result. told you it wasn't a hard either way. So this concludes this part of the of so there's two ways we can take this I'm going to go the easier route in his on the declares uh a fascinating question he wants to know if the which and the past is that going to be true by a carbon or is that not going to be true by a carbon p? It says it's a so I know it's going to be okay by the etc. But what about the carbon pes? I'm not sure about a carbon pes why why should the carbon pes be different? So for that we need a little bit of a that is inf brings a kasho from the mayu the mayha as that if you go to the rab and say mitzvah. So the Rambam lists when he brings the carbon pes the a mitzvah to be of the carbon pes and then he lists as a separate mitzvah the mitzvah to eat the carbon pes meaning the of the carbon is one mitzvah and the of the carbon pes is another mitzvah by a carbon and by the other carbon ra doesn't do that the ra means one mitzvah the ra says is a mitzvah to bring a carbas and then the ram says included in the mitzvah to bring a carbas there are many pro mitzvah one of be there's a whole bunch of different mitzvah as we see as we go through the related to bringing and the ramped them all together in one mitzvah yet by the carbon p for some reason the ram had a separate mitzvah to be m the carbon p and a separate mitzvah to eat the carbon pil of a carbon is mitzvah then why didn't the ra included it in the mitzvah that is carbon the same way he included it in the mitzvah of all the other bray issue and the B says it's a super long but just to scrape the surface of a very very important that's going to come up over and over and over again and it's very very integral to as we go through some of the here and say that is it's in many that carbon p was from an ordinary carbon specifically as it relates to the mitzvah to eat the carbon says that although ordinarily if somebody is bringing a carb in the is that even if the of the carbon is lost it becomes it becomes possible for whatever reason as long as you have a kaz of aim it doesn't bother me meaning we don't need the basa to be in order for the carbon to be a kash is different a kb the k's about to do his and he realizes that he doesn't have any bosser. That's it. You have to put the dam down. We have to start this all over again. The carbon becomes bustle. So ordinarily when you're bringing a carbon, if the K's about to do this, he can realize there's no baser. It's okay. The has to be a kazer, but that could be it doesn't have to be that's going to be eaten. But the carbon, you have to have and if you don't have the carbon is going to be possible. Another thing that's in is what happens if an old man a zing brings a carbon pock someone that can't eat. physically cannot eat from the carbon. Tal is the carbon's possible. The carbon pac had to be brought by someone that was right to eat from the carbon. If the person wasn't right to eat from the carbon, the carbon was possible, which is clearly something you don't find is that the role that plays by carbon is different than ordinary ordinary carbon. What's the carbon? What's the carbon? The dam is of the carbon. The kapor comes from the dam. Theor is the dam. Now there happens to be sh mitzvah. One of the sh mitzvah is you could eat the boser. Another one of the mitzvah you could be. But theor of the carbon is the being that the carbon is the you just have to make sure you have done that. Let's say you don't have boser. Okay. It's not the end of the world. I don't need boser. What if the carbon can't eat from the basel? It can't be the mitzvah. It's an ancillary. It's a tough. That's not the mitzvah. Being that it's not the mitzvah doesn't bother me. Carbon PES is different. Carbon PES theor of the carbon pes was the Hashem wanted that bel you should sit down and you should eat meat. You should eat carbon pes that's theor is the now in order to be carbon you have to have a carbon in order to have a carbon you have to be as a carbon in order to be as a carbon you have to have. SO YOU SIMPLY BACK INTO the because there's no other way to eat from a carbon unless you brought it as a carbon. But the is not the is the the was not the it wasn't the wasn't that was poured in his wasn't that they were the was the meaning really what hashem wants is you to sit down below of carbon but the key is of a carbon once it's of a carbon I don't have a choice I have no choice whatsoever but to go ahead and to and to be mock of the carbon but the IS NOT THE CARBON WHAT'S the is the you have to make sure you have boss. If you don't have boss, you can't even bring it. Therefore, someone that's not for whatever reason can't eat, you can't bring your carbon because if you can't do the you're missing out on the you're missing out on the being that you're missing out on the it's for that reason that you're going to be out of business. Now we spoke out earlier in the that it's brings from who by the way is the of the so the ask why is it that ones you don't read the par the garbes we always read the mus you always read that's related. It's to to what's going on during the day. You take out the and you read from you read the every if you read you always read whatever's going on. So his question was why is it back in the day we used to bring a carbon p so we should say we should read from the he said that was not itself so that once you have to read from the now we have to figure about what to read to make sense to read. That's why we go ahead on which is also called meaning is once I had to read it makes perfect sense that what should I read I should read but the is not the it's just that once I have the in the middle that's why I go ahead and that's why I read I mean I don't have the grace would be just tells me what the but in of itself that's not the that's why there's no spoken that the guardian says you see that already apply and the guardian says because he's seen the parish of the what's the and you're supposed to be in the car. You see in the parade the guy said we said maybe it is a maybe there could be a that was the that we spoke out early in the but I want to tell you the terret that that said that the said you know what his terret was I'll read it to you when that if you read the par of a carbon it's as if you were macro of the carbon but it doesn't say anyway that's if you ate the boss of the carbon. There's no anywhere that it is if you so ordinarily buy a carbon where the the carbon is what is the so it makes sense to you'll have for that BUT BY THE CARBON IS NOT THAT BY THE you don't have the relash why is it that the as a separate mitzvah and when it comes to he just includes it together with because from the mitzvah it's from the mitzvah the list together with all the other mitzvah when it COMES TO CARBON IT'S NOT mitzvah it's the it's THE IF ANYTHING THAT IS the mitzvah the is being that is that's why the over there listed it as an I was thinking maybe you know that made a fascinating observation you mind throughout the generations there were times where there were yen that tried creating a movement tried creating momentum to go up to and to bring a carbon but it somehow the carbon that always wanted to bring was the carbon paler in the 18th century he was nice and famous with and it was a very very big he was going to work it all out he had it all figured out but the bottom line is is that there was this movement. There was this his to bring the carbon many many times and the carbon that was going to be brought was always going to be the carbon pes and wanted to know why why was it even in you find that wanted to do it and why was it always the carbon and he said he said in this week's says I'm going to destroy your base I'm not going to smell There's not going to be any I'm going to have any more from your there was a so to speak a ordinarily is a one of the six that the have was but over here I went through all in the there's only one carbon in the where it doesn't say you know what that is the carbon pes every other carbon that says with the exception of the carbon pes He said maybe that's the reason they couldn't bring you know a carbon if said what are you bringing the carbon for they couldn't bring because it says and said in this week's partial the carbon is the only carbon where it doesn't say that was the only carbon that there was ever a to bring because there's no but was why why is there no when it comes so we've spoken out of in the past, but the now maybe there's a little bit of an maybe being that over here the is not is not the is so maybe here it's different maybe there is not going to be to do with our it has so much to do with our notion but right here in the back of the what would be if a when it comes to the carbon p It's but at the same time what does mean the is going to be you can't have if the is going to be so over here maybe it's different maybe over here it's not you can't have that's not ordinarily as long as you have today you're fine you have nothing to worry about but when it comes to the carbon where the bosses the carbon if the carbon is he can't eat the carbon as possible. What about says I have two I have two one side is over here because being that this doesn't have an ability to be so the carbon is so that the said and from the every carbon on even to say that even though ordinarily in the sense that it can't be but maybe by carbon will be able to be so it was there's no sad in the world that you're going to have the regular carbon you can't have a carbon that's doesn't have it's no different than if the bus became He can't ask. So you can't have that but it's not going to be. So what do you have? Do you have nothing or do you say what you're going to end up having is you're going to end up having that has the ability. If you want to look it up the same as what would be and says it's to him that because with regards to carbon it's no different than if it was and he says that if this carbon was done it's possible nobody I know it's he says by everybody agrees being that it's not and then he says I don't have in front of me but brings from his that told him that maybe that's why when we say the the bring the carbon I don't remember exactly how we say it but it's going to be I don't remember after which it is but als Why we why are we emphasizing the of where has to be because now we just have to do it doesn't matter where it is. Yeah. It has to be exactly where the of the but has the same he has a whole this is going to come up again I think there's a whole another there but the brings the same and the comes out just the opposite he says I think that when it comes to even though ordinarily is not Over here it's going to be he knew that coming has to be different. The question is what does different mean? Doesn't mean it's going to be doesn't mean that over here it's not even going to be it's over here it's not doesn't mean it's going to be maser doesn't mean it's not even going to be on one side and on the other