Zevachim 24

Today's is and we will begin 10 lines from the bottom of the Mishna in the beginning of the per discuss who it is that's possible to do the avoid the Mishna mentioned but has been spoken out many times some other aid as well but it's really coming which and as a result is bizarre and regardless the Mishna mentioned as an example of apostles of the do he's wearing the he did he did everything right but at the time that he did the such as the he was sitting says the is going to be possible learn from the following it says chose specifically the from within to stand to serve we learn from it says when are the the chosen group that's when they're standing if they're not standing they're not chosen in other words if they're not standing they don't have a of khanim If they don't have a they have a zar that does the avoid avoid is going to be possible just like we spoke out by it's in that same vein it says it says which suggests that there's a mitzvah for to stand while he's doing the when it says that's a second the second time that it mentions that a has to stand we learn based on the rule and say that anytime it says something twice it means so says the you know that if a does the while he's sitting is going to be possible because it says the kay has to stand and Then it says again the kay has to stand. If it says it twice she know that's how I know it has to happen twice. At first glance the price would seem to be not the way explained it said that why if a sits is going to be possible because it says that when does a have a if he's standing if he's sitting he has a zar it's not a it's not a li it's not because the says the ken has to stand that I know that if the kayen sits that the avoid is going to be possible it's more of a that the only time a cen is considered a cen is while he's standing. If he's sitting, he's not considered a from the BR. It's not mashma that way. From the Bryce, it's a little bit more mash that it's a it says it says, okay, it means he has to stand. And it says again at first glance, although he's not arguing in with the but he seems to be arguing with the Bryce in terms of what the is. Is it more of a or is it more of a it just says that it says it as a result I know we'll see more about that in a minute told you is like and it's for that reason that does the is going to be possible again said it's not a as much as it's a that the only time a considered a is while he's standing when he's sitting that does the is going to be possible say why don't we take this logic a step further and say why don't we say that just like that does the so that does the why do we learn what we need is if they do the not going to be all It is is an meaning if you're a hold then just like as well because there's two paraches in the where the says that avoid in this state is one is avoid without the other one is avoid the rule is ordinarily there's an idea of was one of the sometimes you have to make it but there's an idea of but when the says something twice it's almost that the held that there is no because if there's a why the have to tell it to me a second time let it say it once and I would know the second from the first l when the says something twice that's that there's no thus the rule says to you can't tell me that is if he does the because how would I know that I would know that from the problem is they are but the says there is according to him why isn't that does the not only is the avoid apostle but he's going to be so thear says because really there's a third parra where the tyra says that if somebody does the avoid in this state he's going to be that's avoid under the influence if that's the case we have now a third that's only but that's not going to be in other words theor said that why because it says meaning when a sitting doing the he doesn't have a he actually has a his question was if that's the case just like a zar that does certain avoid which avoid the other Then so too that does the sitting should be one more time. Why do we learn in that is so said you know what the answer is because you have the says I have many on this we'll just speak out the most obvious and that is what was said that is a zar. So if he does the so's answer that's all if you want to learn it from that's if you want to learn it from so that you're going to tell me like we spoke out whenever there's a or that knocks out the ability to But isn't coming is so forget you're right. You don't have but forget about a mamino. If a is a should also be and there's precedence for it. We spoke about it last week and that is is also he does one of the andor says why very simple because why are you saying the same thing regarding is that has to stand while he does the if he's sitting it's going to be possible not only does he have to stand but the mission said if he was standing on you standing or he was standing on his friend's foot and he did possibly in the time of the had just like is that the had a hold directly there couldn't be a between his hand and the rash says because it says by the So too when it comes to the he has to be standing directly on the if he's not standing directly on the it's going to be it's going to be a problem. to that we learn is not like rashi that when the says we're not referring to the as in the kal that the did the or the s that maybe the ken had to use to do the but rather we're talking about the big day kahuna and that's something that you find many times in the that big day kahuna were referred to as by the big dayuna we had the brace on the bottom of olive there wasn't allowed to be a either whether the lim is from So the on the big day kahuna there's an idea that the which is also the had to be standing on directly there couldn't be a so if he's standing on a kale or he's standing on a or even if he's standing on a ragly those are all examples of and as a result is going to be poss had to give us three examples of only send me to the bus I would have thought that's because the kay is not bus the which is a type of so it's the same as the maybe that's not had it said that athough it's flesh and bones but it's a a person is a person not but if a is standing on his friend's foot the who his friend is like him that the same men I would think it's not considered so that's what covers its bases and says that whether He was standing on a or on a they're all example of is it's going to be what if the was standing one foot was on the and the other foot was on a so both feet are on a kali that's the mission the shil was what if one foot was on a kal and the other foot was on the one foot on the other foot was on a stone what would be if you took away the kale If you took away the stone, if you'd be able to stand on what foot then is going to be but if by removing the stone or removing the kal the going to fall then is going to be possible. What would be if one of the stones on the fell out of place? It got detached from the floor but it's in its place and the co's standing on it. So the crane's standing on the floor, but he's also standing on the Evan. It's on the floor because the Evan is part of the floor, but it's on the Evan in the Exactly. But it's on the Evan in the sense that it's detached. So do you look at it as if he's standing on an Evan? You look at he's standing on the So like if they didn't have a mind to reseement that stone and put it back in place, it's posit. It would be like or if both of his feet are on the then for sure it's going to be what's they had in mind to connect it to attach it again. What's me do you say being that they have a mind to attach as if it's already attached right now it's not attached good had a different shili he said the shil was what would be if the was removed and it was in its place what was the key was mad the ritz was a was he only the the top of the Azor right what happened over here was he's not standing on the what happened is the Evan was removed and he's standing in the place where the Evan had been previously so in the first Sha the Evan was removed but the crane's standing on the Evan in this sha the Evan was removed he's not standing on the Evan anymore so he's on the but there's a there's a little ditch because where the Evan once was the Evan is no longer there and as a result it left a little hold behind it. So what's the sh the was the one that was the was the only that upper level but anything underneath the is notes if it's not that is not standing on the or maybe it was all the way down to the bottom says if that's the case why is the sh one was removed why didn't the shilah if all the of the were removed D does the rich but still have kadusha or does it not have kadusha meaning said over in the name was removed the standing in the place where the used to be is it a problem or is it not a problem we're trying to understand what the shil was says if shil was if his suffic was whether was only madesh the upper level or he was madesha if that was his shil then he should have declared the shilah not we're one Evan was removed but rather where all the were removed. So says the so you have to say that must be then that really was all the way down to the what then was the sha he was up until the so just because the was removed the k that's standing under it but in the where the used to be he's still standing on a kadesh so if he's still standing on a kesh what's the is to stand in a ditch Or was it not standing in a ditch? So maybe this more general idea that when the does the he has to do it maybe that's what the would be the says take either way. So he had an discusses had to stand while he was doing the not only did he have to stand while he was doing the but couldn't be he couldn't be standing alabi. He couldn't be standing alabi. He couldn't even be standing algab. What if one foot was on the Ritzbah and one foot was on an Evan or on something else? That was money. What if he's standing on the floor but the floor was removed? It's just in its place. It's another Shiloh. What if they removed one of the stones and now he's standing in the ditch? That's another Shiloh the Gomorra. There's some pus here. But the bottom line is is that's the is that the kite had a stand. The kite was not allowed to sit. Now the emis is a lot to talk about raidwise on this garra. And this is something that already discussed at the very beginning of the par the beginning of the paric where the was trying to figure out how we know that the first that does the iss that does the is going to be possible and the report is in both in the discuss that does the in that discusses that does the said now I know So there was a is not allowed to do the that's the we just learned but you were allowed to sit while you ate that's in contrast to who's not allowed to eat can't even eat. So a and an who cannot eat have to be because you're allowed to sit while you're eating. You just can't do the that was the in one it's only with a from without going into the but there's a very important over there that we didn't speak out on time and it's a one line we usually speak out the one line says it's the sixth on the when could eat while he's sitting or is referring to the of the says there's two examples of when you were allowed to sit while you were eating. It's very mashma from that those are the only examples why was and was there were many that were so if there were many that were why does say what happened to all the other as well so we just speak out to now at the end of the week we're going to come back to this says on the side because all other and we know so being that for example it wasn't to eat it so if it wasn't to eat it so it wasn't to eat it sitting so why is it to eat sitting only if you're eating that's gave examples of kachum but as it relates to kadashim being It had to be eaten in the there's a baz issue the issue of the couldn't eat it while he was standing either while he was sitting. Either way, the last of the discuss whether a is allowed to do the link. Could he do it with his left hand? The Mishna said it's okay. You could do it even with your left hand. The says regarding the carbon, I'm reading from the side. the you know that the of the was done differently than all the other all the would take the misra that's the kay where the dam was and he would push it in the direction of the dam would come at it the mis would land on the m the carbonas was done differently the ken would take his finger he would put it inside the dam and using his finger he would do this by the says by it doesn't say but doesn't say it's sort of suggested in the first par maybe if you could be and one of the gar said it could be between the where it says thus it's versus the that was born where it doesn't say but alapon that's the way the this was done this pik desri describes that it says is going to take from the with his finger. We're discussing that was growing. He's going to put it on the corners of the Now when the Tory says, although literally what it means is he takes his finger and puts it into the really means. When it says what it means is so essentially what the Torah is saying is the is mentioning and then it says it says that has to be we learn from here that the has to be done with the right hand. It says again it says the word between the word and the word. So we dash in it both ways that the has to be and it says van means we learn from there that this has to be done says the means that the both have to be done with the and the basis for this is something that we're not going to see really until but says on that wherever it says in the wordah it always means wherever it says yad it means Wherever it says, how do you know? We learn from the parish of the it. But the point is we learn from the parish of that wherever it says it always means. So if the word the spa is going back on the and it's going forward on the means argues. What it says is says no. It does it say what it says is so we learn from the from that has to be but being that it doesn't say that's the is going to be cautious but statement is very very difficult to understand and the jumps on it right away what does hold it is like if holds from it which would tell me that every time it says And every time it says it always means who cares that it doesn't say it says and also means like doesn't mean even if it would have said it doesn't say it says that sounds like what is saying what is the between why would mean because you learn from we learn from too it doesn't say it says Why should that why should that be as bless doesn't hold at all? This is really what meant to say would mean nothing means nothing. The only way I would know needs to be with the right hand is if it said and being that it doesn't say that that's how I know keep small caution. That's what he meant to say. doesn't mean it it says not versus they're the same thing because either you learn from it or you don't learn from it. What do you mean to say is it doesn't say then how do you understand the second part of says but is why is possible? It doesn't say it just says it doesn't say can we even entertain the possibility doesn't hold it we know for sure holds it says really does hold this meant to say again holds it wherever it says you learn from that it means the right hand wherever it says you learn from that it means the right finger. So what did mean when said that's why he meant to say the says it says it's impossible to do you can do with your that's how you do with the spa but could you do kabala kabala has done what a kichar is how you gonna hold a kichar is with anah So you'll be keep a small cautious and based on means and really if it was possible to entertain that the is that says is referring to the if is going back on I would in fact be from here that is my but I know is not going on because how can you do when you're at my boy is going only which is the being that it's only going on. So only has to be B. But the doesn't have to be B. But the says why you tell me it's not possible to do Kabala with a finger. It is possible. You have a handle on the have a handle. It has a handle. You could hold it with your finger. So if you're holding it with your finger so that is not going back on the look. So from holds it holds it. Number one cuz says that has to be obviously holds it. Number two, we have we know from another we know is holds from. So why then smile is possible? He said what does he mean? It says and it says it sounds like both the and don't tell me because you can't do with your finger. You could do with your finger. You know why holds up a smile? Caution. And you know why smile? They're arguing right only. Look at the top inside. If you have a word that's tucked away between two verbs and it could be going back and it could be going ahead. So the is you move it back. So it says going it's going back on it's going. So it's going it's not going on either way. So we have what's the need it's and wherever it says from means. So if is going on and so I know which is has to be I know which is to be but if is only going on I know has to be I don't know the has to be is going on the that's how I know so is going on it's not going on and it's for that reason I know that cable smile is going to be the price where chimed in to these of and it's that he didn't that a he didn't hold like his father and that he didn't hold like the kind of anytime it says Now is a little bit of a misnomer, but the point is is that when it says in the what it means to say is that the can't be with it can't be could be going to be is going to be possible and wherever you have the word there it's the opposite but is going to be cautious. So we know where it says and not that's the brought the we've been discussing. We'll see that in a minute. Where do you find that's in the par and the is clearly talking about. So what does hold that not but rather and also got that? So we had a like this I didn't think so that's why when it says is going on the so only this has to be but the doesn't have to be said so the word is tucked away it's between it goes both ways so the has to be and that's our holds just the opposite And so you move it back. You not move it forward. Additionally number one goes. So it's not going on this. That's why it's going on the that's why is going to be possible. Clearly is not like his father. It's just the opposite of because holds just the opposite. He holds is because he holds both have to be where isa that that's a different that was in the over there says so it says which is and then It says which is and then it says that's so going back on the and that's how he knows in this when it related to the had to be even though it didn't have to be done but by the it did have to be done. What about the No, isn't it? And being that it says then I could take it to the but I can't bring to bring it to the wherever it says the word the word it always means direct. So wherever the Torah says that a should do something it means with his right hand. Wherever it says even not in the context of at first glance it means not first that it means that wherever it says and both then it means like this that we've been discussing the describes the it says and then it says it says and the means from there it says and so wherever it says means otherwise it doesn't mean but it never says all it says I'm sorry never says it never says all it says is every time we went to what it means anytime it says that is going to do something anytime it says do something with it means be so even though it doesn't But it says the has to do the meaning that it says the has to do the I already know that it has to be done where it says the right foot of the animal was in the left hand of the so what do you see that even though it says but he still allowed to do the with his left hand. in and of itself doesn't mean it's only it doesn't say doesn't say but being that we just said that either or is going to be enough like he always did I don't understand how you going to understand over there he's allowed to do with his left hand and it says always means the right hand says what is the truth means the right hand that's the is doing is just like from where we learn that and means with the right hand is discussing the is doing something that'sap but that's not itself is notap that's how I know that's why over there even though it says it can be done with the left Now we said why does holdab with the left hand hold so you don't have the word but is if you are going to tell me you don't need it's it definitely says that the has to be done by So if is enough you don't need it's now we don't understand we had a whole now why does holder because the home that it should have to be is because it says and it says between the and holds but if you tell me that is also it's says so if it So what's going to be hold it's only in that it's but there is it must be because holds caution and the must be obvious is not enough we learn from it yeah we learn from it and but if it says only or only that's not going to be enough is that true but time we learn to the It sounds like is enough. You don't eat. So if you don't need or is enough to teach me should also be enough to teach me. So again why does caution? Doesn't it say soar says alone is enough but itself is not enough. Why does it say the way Rashi explained this? Look at Rashi. Why then did the Tyra say? Doesn't it say we know has to do with soar is asking why did it say the word in this is coming to teach me because it's I understand why the wrote the word but if you're telling me that it's not coming to teach me of so why then did it say tell me that has to be done with a everyone knows that you know that from already this 101. Everyone knows that the cabala has to be done with a soar says he's coming to teach me that the kabala has to be wearing big. Don't I know that also? Isn't that take a look at over there asks either way it only says and we learn. Why is apostle all it says is kahuna except if all it says is kahuna then you're telling me alone is not enough to be shim doesn't argue should argue should hold that a regular where it never says anywhere the word should be and we don't find holds it holds even though in the mur Keep up it says in the parish of and we learn from these three words teaches me that had to be done with the right hand. Ragel teaches me that had to be done with the right foot. And teaches me that became they drilled his right ear not his left ear is what's the ly two word the cash is from why do I need for it says so once it says why do I need I needed one to tell me that the itself had to be done with the and the other one after the did the he took the he put it into ais that was the equivalent thereof of which the the so that how do I know that that has to be that I learned from that holds that there was no this says and says there's a holds you do need but it's okay with the left hand yad. So according to Shim, why do you have the yad? What's what am I doing with meaning according to we only have one kam because according to the second either you don't need or if you need it you can do it with your left hand. So obviously the is not coming to teach me something about taking the and put it into the putting it into the so again if that's the case why does it say maybe you're going to tell me the reason it says is to teach me itself now that makes a lot of sense you're going to tell because it says but that's all good in the if you're holding that hold but according to that holds so according to I don't know from the So it's beautiful. I need the this special to tell me according to that itself. But the problem is but the bottom line is that he learns from that the being that he's doing it with his hand, he had to do it with his right hand. I have a for already. If I have a for I don't need this. It's coming to teach me of a specific who was that's the carbon that had to bring a carbonal. So his was brought either or etc. But the point is over there I need to know that with his right hand I would have thought that said that there's certain things that we did to make sure his carbon wasn't mud. So maybe he should do it with his left hand that no even that was done with the right hand exhale. So before we end I just wanted to go back the end of last week really into Shabas's dafs even though we're learning Monday's daf but we're learning it on Sunday. So in the spirit of a hash Sunday style daff just to speak out a little bit of of raid that we left on the table last week with regards to the so the k was very much the topic of the second half of the last week discussed that does the who wasn't number one number two he's going to be first had to wash his hands and his feet from the k and if he didn't wash his hands and his feet from the k is that the was going to be possible. Now it was theor said on that even though the was supposed to do from the but the wasn't it didn't have to be done from the if the wanted he was able to do it from any as long as the was it was it was going to be was possible was possible but as long as the was doing the from aim If he could check off those two boxes even though it's not being done from the is it was going to be I saw right in the beginning of brings the says listen to this says it should have said What's because really the K was so he didn't have to put the boy in the it didn't have to be in the what was the it had to be that's why the emphasizes meaning that that's what's the itself is not what's the that's the bottom line is is that the was able to do the ver he was able to do the kesh even from that was not the as the as long as it was not from the but again there's one caveat the caveat is that it had to be inside the mik it had to be a shim so the mo of the k was but the k itself was a is discussing the and the 10 times that and Ram says as follows and all the mikdash and Ram says now I know that it says it's in par it's in the par of the and from there says that and that the had to be done on this rail that's the had a special in the parish of that had to be it says really based on but there's a big train how to learn But the says in the ra it's very clear how the ra the said that is the that and the 10 lines had afraid to why did the ra need a special to tell me that had we learn from there that although the clear is not but it had to be if it was possible every had to be inside So if that's the case, why does the to tell me that? Why would you think it should be different than all says the briskov and I quote says that the diverg that every had to do before he had to do the says the brisk Maybe the whole year that had to be done but maybe and if that's the case I would have thought that maybe that doesn't have to be says there's a special it says that the iss to the prince to this principle from the Mishna says every every day if chose to do the he would be in the same place that every was what was that place there was the was different he would do it from brings and when the says that was not from the but from this is it referring to all 10 or says I don't think it's referring to all 10 it's only the latter nine the first one had to be in the one thing I see in this that between the even the versus the other nine what's the is very simple because the first that did is the regular that every ken had to do before he started doing the so it's the main it's like from an ordinary line and just like the ordinary had to be done in the k even the had to be done in the k this that the did it from the that's only the other nine BECAUSE THE OTHER NINE the question is why why is doesn't explain it in they explain it but this far is very very simple what was the of the we spoke this out a few times last week we even spoke of that in the last week that is that in order for to be fit. In order for him to be to be able to do the he had to bathe himself first only and it had to be from water that was going to be possibly it had to be from the but the point is is that the had to be himself prepare himself to be to do the and the way he made himself to do the was by being from he had to do that one time as long as he wasn't from the avoid he was good to go for the rest of the day the emmesis the kod also didn't have to do that more than one time didn't have to be himself more than one time. Once was himself in the morning he was the of another nineish lines of held that's not being to do the that's there were a lot of interesting and different avoid that the did on one of the that did was LION BUT IT'S A sight of the algator lion because whereas the regular lion to be the kind to do the over here. He doesn't have to be mashed himself once he was he has to be mashed himself 10 times. So once he was KNOCKED FROM HIMSELF HE'S DONE it's and scrubbing you know what is the said the last was done at the end of the day after the god who takes off his clothing for the last time he does WHAT'S HE SAY IS nothing it's not it's the between the first and the life of every kind the whole year and the other nine of the was is that to be to do the and that's even true for the first of the 10 of the as it relates to that was so that's why that the first one had to be done from the that's why it's etc the other nine were done from the because this is already avoid the avoid of the avoid of it's not IT'S AVOID OF THE KISH IT'S NOT because the first was done from the was the is mere functionist to be the minute it's not in the anymore it's not in but that's the even though the 10 times but it's like the brisk said the the purpose of the that every had to do the whole year before it did the and the did the 10 that's the first the second is the said twice any that didn't have enough water in it to bead for is apostle mean how much water did the ka have to have in order for it to be enough for the one that was using enough that had to be enough for how do I know that it's learned from a par the says so are two so what you're left with is four not you're left with that was addition not subtraction So you have four thus we learn this that says as follows train wasn't a during the case was the during the And so never at the same time. However, it's a says so we learn from there that it has to be enough for four people. It's not for because that's the way it was. It was never that way says Rashi. It never was because was during the and was take a look at this. They were all they were all together. The already asks the steer and Rashi here. Rashi says that they would never at the same time it doesn't matter it's a good not so we seem to have a steer between but the what does that mean on it wasn't at that point he handed over the torch it went from over to so some say that Maybe in the morning was the but until the fire came down that's when became the at first glance. But the truth is it's only if you're not familiar with the says and the learns it out from apostle and the garra bombs away at Raph Rav was a I mean every little child knows was the god wasn't the how could you say that was a god and after many It's really the says that's what is refusing to accept upon himself to go be the one that's going to take the out of says every time the says something happened something bad goes down nothing bad happened even though getting got angry at nothing bad happened to no no that's not true Your brother the coming you were supposed to be the he was supposed to be the lady who now is going to be the and you are going to be don't say there was no Russian there was a Russian was supposed to be because of what happened it was and as a result becomes the becomes I disagree with that whole wasn't the kind he was for seven days and he was supposed to be the for seven days said he was punished he wasn't supposed to be theu was au never lost this what does it mean you know what the was that his children lost the but himself was always aim see you learn during the was the from the ethan says here in this so says the we have 500 it's really there is a sheet of this that holds the moisture was a kite meaning it wasn't just a kite. against terms of this says and we learn from here that the had a have enough water that should be able to do and how do I know that because and they all use the care so you see that's how much water it has to have was I thought he was only during the yeah that's what we thought but when you learn the olive you know the rest of the story and The rest of the story it's moving very very clearly it's the it's also in other words that was a so you have these two rashies seems to be learning like this was only he wasn't from whereas the whereas seems to be learning like that was in fact a kuna himself was always going to be a one of the cases that the asks on that says that is from the following miriam was a mitzvah in order for a person to be a mitzvah a has to pass that the person's a so who was the kite if you're going to tell me that was the one that was his mish was a zar except mishar you need to be a kite very simple. So the says that's one of the cashes that the Gumar asks on it's the says all whose cash is that cash that's one of the cashes on how could you tell me that was a wasn't fit to be the one that was mas why he's asks a different wasn't fit why because was a zar the roy maybe was the one that did it couldn't do it either why not Because why do you have to say that was a it's really controversial once you're learning that say better was also a for the same reason FOR THE SAME PRICE that a can't be the one that does do it just like a har is a zar is a zar as well since you do it the says over the part that brings it the says over from the sagian that the set based on a on a banto You from the moral it's particularly in yeshiva circles because the chevita quotes this moral in gur in histo brother and sister. So the moral asks the kasha and the moral says that being that we know when they were they were meaning they weren't doesn't create a dummy. So it's true. It's true. 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