Zevachim 23

Today's D is and we are about 25 lines from the bottom of the two dots. So the Mishna had mentioned different people that would be possible to do the avoid in the B mikdash. Not only are they possible but if they did the would be one of those mentioned in the Mishna is a to and today's daf is very much going to be a pir on the words of the Mishna to apostle now today's daf is known in yeshivas as the of it's not the easiest and it requires a little bit of an introduction. So there's a that what does mean in the event that of are in the event that of the tal is that the yidden were allowed to bring carbon meaning ordinarily if somebody's he can't bring a carbon if however or if we Now the carbon would be able to be brought. The is the learns it from the word. It says by the carbon. It says regarding the carbon teaches us that a carbon could be brought. What does it mean if or if would be Tommy? It's interesting throughout there's a whether or if it means that in the event that of Israel is to the way we view the tumo is as if it's not even there meaning the laws of tum don't even apply relative to carbon if it means the tum is there however the of the carbon is going to be able to be. There are many whether or one notable says that if the way to works is with the of the tits. So we know that the tits was one of the begotten that the kang god wore but it also had an ability to be maratza. So just like in avoid marza, the tits had an ability to be maratz as well. We'll actually see more about the rits of the tits in the course of today's daf. But the tits had the ability to be mirata specifically as it relates to. So for example, in the event that a coin would do with datets to the tits was mer and somehow it made the isotomo go away. If you hold the way the header of bringing the carbon in a state of works is in tandem with the ifra then it would not have to come on to the it's interesting that the way the of is usually referred to as as the which would almost imply that we pass In reality however is not but rather but that's semantics not really going to be today's doc what we need to know is there's a concept of just to keep it simple we're going to refer to it as the inact says that as it relates to of the carbon pes the only time we say is if it's a where if a would have that he would be pushed off to so we know there's a parish of somebody was during he got pushed off to the gum says the only time there's a parish of is if it was such a to where if the y had that he would now get pushed off to pen so for example The says that if someone is to me if if somebody is to because he came in contact with a maze he can't bring the pes and he gets pushed off to the if would now be to maze you would have the parish of where they'd be allowed to bring the carbon pes even in a state of if however of would be to but it's where if the y had that tomo he would not get pushed off Pes then if of has it there's no parish of they would not be able to be the carbon being that they're in a state of to one of the places that there's a discussion in the that maybe this would be manifest is in the event that was to sher so is known as a tomala somebody comes in contact with the sher he's to for the day meaning he has to go to the mikvah wait for the sun to set and once at that point they would be so whether or not would be would there not be what's so we just said it's a would be would he get pushed off to or would he not get pushed off to what's that tollian well that's tolly in whether or not a Tommy tomasher could he bring the carbon p or can he not bring the carbon p now let's think about it for a second if somebody's Tommy so right now he doesn't have the ability to enter the right he's stating that at night at night he already will be tar right so there is mockim to say that somebody that is tomaser should be able to therefore be included in the para of pes as a result he would not get pushed off the pesi if he doesn't get pushed off the pesi so now there would be no of ifas was Tommy if however the that's cannot bring the garden pes well then he would get pushed off the pesi if he would get pushed off the pesi now if ro of beas they would be subject to the as part of the introduction to today's we're going to work with the assumption that the is that if somebody's him the would be able to bring the carbon meaning it could be brought on his behalf if that's the case he would not be pushed off the if he would not be pushed off the then if they would not have the of as it relates to the first part the introduction. There's a part two, but as it relates to the first part of the introduction, what does that mean is they're allowed to bring the whether it's the carbon whether it's the carbon then one of the are whether it has to work with the known stating that we stating that we're going to refer to it as The of is the only time of is in the event it's a where if the had that on to bring the carbon pes he would get pushed off the pes if however he would not get pushed off the pesi then you don't have the of subject to this one of the places where there's aiden as a result of this is what would If was meaning would there be no what's it toian? It's totally if the himself who was could he bring the or would he get pushed off to the and that's a big [ __ ] could bring a carbon on behalf of someone that's Tommy to someone who will become eventually in the evening or that concludes the first part of the introduction the second part of the introduction which is really not an introduction I think it's kadai before we see the sheath of the quote unquote zikn invening to just speak out the path. So the zikn said they said that being that there's a that of was to let's say Tomas mace is they can bring carbonite or if were tomas m is they'd be able to bring carbonite sabore the will be as well that if somebody it's Tomas and he does the by the is going to be an avoid in other words the of is obviously only by a carbon it's also only of as relates to a carbon to is not let in fact it's one of the mentioned in our it's the puzzle that we're up to Right? We're holding to puzzle two dots. Right? That's where we're holding the right now. So of course a to is not let when it comes to a carbon stating that help any type of that could have would have that would be as it relates to a carbon you could do the well then as it relates to a carbon even though it wouldn't be okay to do the but if would do the is that the would be Now what exactly the of the zikum is that the lum struggle to understand a little bit but it's some sort of migu type of that you find throughout being that if the had this together with of the he'd be able to do the carbon then at the very least now if he has this as a he should be able to do the avoid as it relates to Now the zikn when they said their they said that it's true as it relates to tumas m it's not true as it relates to what's the pish so the pish is really what we just mentioned in the introduction it's because as we'll see the zikn dham are of the opinion that the only time there's tomah is by Tomas m but there is no tomah as it relates to if there's So you're not going to have this caveat now that says that that's who goes ahead now and he brings a carbon he does the it's going to work because the whole reason why would work is some sort of being he could do the by he'd be allowed to do the as relates to a carbon but as it relates to a where you wouldn't have such as why would there not be when it comes to is because like we mentioned the only time you have the para of is where if a had this he would get knocked off sheni and the only time gets knocked off the pesi is m but it's not it's for that reason if a now would be tomas being that you don't have the you don't have that he'd be able to go ahead and bring a carpenter. So too if he would do the avoid as a carp the would not be a either way that is high level the of the and on that note we're going to see it inside says the said that a does the is going to be possible said this that the said that if Tommy does the is going to be possible to shar that's only true form shar But as it relates to if he does the evidence is the magic word. So you could do it by a carbon. You can do it by whether to be the words or not to be the words. We're going to learn the way Rashi learns the gar and that is that we take out the words. Meaning if the words then the gumar is about to ask right now is really it's a continuation of the statement of the zikn. If you take out the words then it's not so much a continuation of what the ziknim said but it's more of a or as we'll see it's a kasha on a premise that the ziknar made. It's not a cash on the of the It's not a cash on the but it's more on a premise that the make again. So with taking out the words says it would make sense that the should be from Tommy Mace meaning saying that when the mission says Tommy apostle it's talking about a Tommy Sharrett not a Tommy Mace why because by Tommy Mace you have to chitz by Tommy Shar you don't have to chitz being that by Tommy you have so you have a you don't have to so you don't have a but one of the premises of the is that you have when it comes to mace you don't have to when it comes to sher on that which was something that we spoke about at lent in the introduction to the daff is asking again Tommy sherit nami lacy Tommy maze Tommy which is a much less right. It doesn't require it doesn't require any sprinkling from the ashes of the certainly it should be says the held that the way we look at the is we equate we're the to the are the ones that are facilitating theap they're theim are the ones that are the benefitial ary of theapor they're the yidden that are the bum of this carbon we are the to the house soap m in Tommy shar's law just like as it relates to the ism in that the only time you have is if but if they were to he wouldn't have it so as relates Tommy. The only time you would have that of is if they were to not if they were to. So just like the only time you would have to is if they were to m not if they were to. So too as it relates to the only time you would have it is if they were to mace not if they're tomas. Let's just clarify this line because it's uh a loaded line. We spoke out in the introduction that the reason to say that there'd be no tommo as relates to is because the only time you say is if it's a where if the had that he would get pushed off to but if it's a where if the had it he would not get pushed off the pi. So then you don't have the of in it would make sense to say that that should hold true as it relates to the which states that if so the way you would view the as it relates to of being would correlate to the way you would view the tum as it relates to the that's but as it relates to The other and that is that you also say as it relates to that we should say that the only time we say the is that if the had that he would get pushed off to the getting pushed off to pen is the b he's the so the definition of toma for is totally in the definition of as it relates to but not the definition of should be in the definition of the of where the is really for that preempting and they're saying that whatever the definition is it's also and if that's the case and Tommy if regarding the it's true by Tommy it's not true by Tommy and so as relates to Tommy Tommy it's only going to be true for Tommy it's not going to be true for Tom either way that's why the zikn held that the of ple we is going to be true only for to share. It's not going to be true for Tom because as relates to Tom there's a of that this could have done the in a case of Tom with this. So now when it comes to a carbon if he does that it's going to be okay. However, that's only true by Tommy M. It's not true by Tommy. Why is it not true by Tommy? Because by Tommy if the you would not have the of and that you would have to that undermines the whole you don't have the of either. I you'll tell me that why should there be aino as it relates to the between and I understand the definition of regarding too much of the as relates to but as it relates to the why should be telling that the answer to that is because we're now the makes one other obvious vious observation again it's obvious only in light of what we've been talking about for the first 20 minutes and that is what does held that were not allowed to do on behalf of somebody that's then why would there be no meaning why would there be no because you'll tell me because the could bring it but if you then would not be able to bring the carbon Right? If the could bring it, right? Or I'm sorry if the can't bring it because so then you have a situation of you have to say that the held as a result would not get pushed off to if the doesn't get pushed off to say. So now if has this there's no and so there's no situation where that's able would be able to do the if that's the case there's no situation we'd be able to do the so therefore you don't have and that's why when the misha says which is oh must be talking about as opposed to as opposed to if he was you have and it would not be again let's just do a little bit of a of a recap here in a state of this is going to be said the Mishna has to be talking about where the was doing the with a carbon and the and the tuma that he had was tumas chars If however he was even if he's doing the with it would not be possible. Now clearly he's not supposed to do it but it would not be possible and the reason it would not be possible is because being that if there was a situation of a carbon and a situation of then he'd be able to do the in the state of there's a that says that only works for Tommy not for Tommy that's why the mission says Tommy Apostle must be talking about where he was Tommy Tomas not where he was Tommy Tomas. Now why is this only true for Tom not true for Tommy? So really the short answer is because there's no what's the reason for that? It's because when is when you invoke it's not true if and the reason is because the only time the has the is if it's that if the had it he'd get pushed off the as would not get pushed off the he would So that type of wouldn't apply to then the other type of would not apply either says so heard what said and he reported the following. He said was so ta sounds like but says made a lot of noise. Look at that changes the ga from toa. So some had the lish have the but either way said over that the were given a very hard time for their and he explained the reason that they were given a hard time because really the masa that the ziknarim are coming out with seems to be contradicted by the mida of kav and I think it's kadai again not to go through the kav before we see the But just conceptually to appreciate what just happened essentially what the zikna is saying is that as it relates to a ken that's Tommy that does the if he's going to be more cool than if he's if he's not allowed to do but the evidence going to be okay if he's not allowed to do the but the evidence not going to be okay right so just the idea that should be more cooler more and Tomas M that in of itself is a very big because in every sug of the problem that had with the but it was brought out in in a lumpish way. So again, when it comes to the laws of who is better, is it the or is it the of the you would think for sure that it's the of the now the truth is the Gmorra is going to explain we you see that the is better but Rashi already speaks it out here and Rashi says I'll tell you what you Well, you see it is with regards to because that's the could bring a carbon. Now he can't walk into the but like we said a minute ago holds as opposed to a that's the said that's the it's not going to be okay. So you see that the is more than the when it comes to the again where do you see it? You see it because by the it's fine. There's no problems. But if the is you don't even have this that's when you have where to is going to be pos okay so that's that is a if that's the case we have a problem in a place where the have the gear here and whether you have the gear or not the way you read it is where you see that what do you see where the bats they have the ability to bring their carbon yet the doesn't have the ability to be right that's the we spoke out a place where if the is that if they want to send their carbon they can't send their carbon right if the bum is m you're in the middle of your state of there's not the only reason is because he's going to be by the end of the day but he's in the middle of his seven days now there is a discussion what about if he's on the seventh day so he's already at the end and by that night he's already going to be taught so that really is but that's not what we're talking about we're talking about where he's so if he's can't send his a that became then certainly he should not be able to be in other words you see from that the is better than the if that's true by then the should have to be consistent as it relates to me as well and what do you see by that is better than because by the cannot be well if that's the case when it comes toas it should have to be the same way. Yet what's emerging from the zikn is just the opposite because if the bum is there's no that you could bring the carbon on his behalf is argu by the end of the day if the yeah but if a wants to bring a carbon and he's in a state of course he can't bring the carbon on his behalf. Well if that's the case how could it be then that if the kan is and he goes ahead and he does the then the evidence going to be okay. It's mak as it relates to you see that the kayap is better than the kayak. So how could it be that when it comes to m it's going to be the other way around. So the said, you have to say just to make sense of the ziknim that the ziknim were of the opinion you have to say that the ziknar held that a m in as much as it's true that he can not go and bring a carbon if a to mace would bring a a carbon the carbon would be okay. Meaning what's the time? The is the has to be better than the because you see the according to the by the is better than the and for the that the zikn are going to tell you it's not true that the of the that the byas is better than the why you assuming it's better because you're telling me that if the co goes and does the avoid in a state of m it's going to be okay yet if is in the state of M then it's not going to be okay and it's not true disagree with that you thought that if someone's he can't bring a carbon it's not true just like so dude there's an idea of carbon fra one second that can't be what's exhibit A for the fact that it can't be the pirate peni right what's peni is somebody's m can't bring the carbon You have to get pushed off. If you're going to tell me that you could bring a carbon on behalf of someone that's stom how exactly you going to make sense of the whole parish of right isn't there and from the fact that this is the biggest riot that when someone's there's no way right to bring the carbon says maybe this idea of it could be that's like there's a mitzvah to go ahead and and bring but it could be if the carbon pes was brought on behalf of someone that's sto right it sounds like a shocking it's going to be okay but the have another problem with that says had to be brought for people that were if someone's told me to he's not going to be able to eat at night right so says yeah but it's not triples that you tell me it's not the time you went to the it says by the be and we learn from had to be brought only for someone that had RSVP, right? He was a bin in the carbon. You would think if somebody on behalf of someone that's not one of them all it is is as if you but it could be it's not it says it says and then it says it says twice this idea of it has to be okay so what does it have to do with someone that's this person that's maybe RSVP right maybe he's an owner it could be chipped in maybe he's one of the but Right? It makes sense that we should be meaning if it's to be one of the then it should be to be one of the as well and being that someone that's can't be one of the now what's the basis for this says because the of is mentioned the same exact and if says should also be if it's how could you bring a carbon on behalf of someone that's at the end of the day he's not someone that's not what's he that if it's to be one of the it has to be to be one of the as well maybe this didn't hold it as and because they didn't hold it as so therefore it's not necessarily going to be let's just hit the pause button for one second and that is they came with a blitz basically coming out that if he does the situation is going to be caution because of the if however he would do the in a state of would be possible that as it relates to that's more if he's than it is if he's going to be it's not going to be Tommy then I'll really if you want to zero in on what we need the hold that if a m and he does the avoid is going to be okay and the kasha is that it can't be you know why It can't be. The reason it can't be is because if a bin is tommy tomas and a carbon is brought on his behalf, it's not okay. That's the assumption. And if it's not okay when the bum is to m well then it can't be okay if the is either. Why is that? based on the meat of because you see by that is better than because a Tommy whereas that's the case of Tommy. So you see that the tum is more when it's the co than it is the Bible, right? The of the is better it's more lenient than is the of the well if that's true by you would think it has to be consistently true with regards to m as well yet by m if the ismas m it's possible. So then for sure it has to be that if the isas m it should be possible the is how could the zikn say that the if the m it's going to be okay what's the answer in short that the zikn disagree with the you're making that if someone's he can't have a carbon even brought on his behalf it's not true it's not true the zikn disagree with that zikn hold that you could bring a carbon on behalf of someone that's Tommy tomas and being that you could bring a carbon on behalf of someone that's Tommy tomas So consistently so if the claim is that he would be able to bring the the carbon as well the whole seems to not be that way then knocks it out. NO IT'S NOT TRUE that's but it could be if was brought on behalf of somebody that was Tomas it would be okay that is the of the witness spoil from this. So it's interesting the is that there's a it's not by based on everything that we've been talking about up until this point as a derivative of that what emerges is the name that if somebody is and a carbon is brought on his behalf it's going to be okay but the gmorra asks another says Even if the dares to the of the carbon meaning they hold that a carbon p that's brought on behalf of someone that's m is going to be the still and the gar is meaning the of the would still seem to be a noar is going to argue Now that the way we answer the by saying that the dorm hold that you could bring a carbon pes on behalf of somebody that's you could bring a carbon on behalf of someone that's not enough to properly and satisfactoryly be this uh said why because I'll ask you the same the same and this you're not going to be able to get out of why we in a situation where if the is that their lattice and their right a situation where if the would not be able to send Because even they're only saying if the it's going to be okay. But well and it didn't change. So certainly if the became it should not be able to be in other words there's another that you could ask the same and the terret at the zikn hold that someone that's tommyas maze could have a carbon brought on his behalf. It's not going to get out of it. And that is by the Bible he could bring the what about as relates to the if he brings it even it's possible it's so you see that we're the in this state of if the is in that state of it's even well if that's the case then we are If the bim can't do it with that m how could it be that as it relates to the it's can end up being better certainly if the does it not with the could do it with a could bring the car if the cen would do it in that state of it would not be certainly m where if the bim wanted to do they couldn't do It's more than well then certainly then certainly as it relates to the it should have to be more not how is it possible that the can bring and by the coin it's not the can't bring you'll tell me you can bring it to the okay but can't bring it can't bring yet for It should be you see the the relationship between the and the as it relates to and you would think that relationship should have to be consistent as it relates to the relationship with regards to and what comes out from the is that it's going to be so the we asked the right what was the original of the original is is aub. So we said, oh the is better. How do I know the is better? I know it from well how could it then be that the of the is going to be better than the byas? If the is better than the by then how can it be the is better than the when it comes to the answer that the dorm hold the is not better than the byases it's the as it relates to me is also that it's going to be big is only but the bottom line is we able to get but now is working with the same building blocks of the asking and that is that you see you see that the of the is so much more than the by that where the could do the is even possible the so how could it be then where the is where even the can't do good but you ask him you can't do then the should be able to do or it should be certainly it should not be if it's not by where the it should not be where the cannot where the bum cannot do they can only do it and really the Gmorra just abruptly stops there and pivots to a me. If you look at the side of the gar they quote from the had one word that we don't have in our gamar that is kasha other words says I hear kasha we're not fragging up sikn right we know kasha always means as a terror but the bottom line is this was the sheet of the arms again let's recap the ziknim the darm said when it says in the is a big it's not something that the really fleshes out in terms of understanding but the bottom line is there is and the will tell me that being that byas therefore the who's would have the that's would have the at the very least the would not be possible Now it's only true by Thomas M. It's not true by based on the notion that there's no even when it comes to that in itself is totally init. It's also totally in the concept of the Gorash that at first glance it just doesn't make any sense because how could it be that when it comes to Tomas the is better than the but when it comes to Tomas Mel the is going to be better than the Tommy but the If someone's you can't bring the carbon on his behalf yet and it's going to be and to answer this said you have to say that the hold that would be that there's a par of it's you see that shouldn't be and this person has told me to can't eat from the so shouldn't that be they hold and as a result that is not going to be a either either way now is going to ask uh another and this is really not on the of the which was the on the as opposed to because of the but it's more of this derivative piece that very much emerged from the ziknar which is that hold that at even though the is not supposed to bring a carbon but the ev could be brought on his behalf even a carbon p and even though we know the whole parish was meant for amongst other people people that are but that's only the mitzvah but the he would go ahead and he would bring a a carbon p this is something that would be okay and thear is going to ask a kasha now from a mishna that's going to be the topic of the next part of the daf it's aishna not surprisingly on I think it's just to read the Mishna and she says as follows after is done the made aware that the was as long as the is wearing the sits incidentally there's a that holds that even if the was not wearing the sits it had the ability to be mirat but the point is that sits has ability to be and says that this is going to be a nit mahag What would be if the goof was to now what exactly nitm means? That's going to be a sha in the gar. The gumar initially is going to understand means that the bim was to gonna entertain a possibility that maybe means the kim was but it's not the dam that was but it's one of the players one of the people were the known as the or the known as the but it's that is not going to be the reason because said as it relates to theer And the person that's bringing the carbon is not form. Now what does nausea mean? So we know one of the very prominent sugis that talk about m is with relation to the nazer. The nazer was not allowed to come in contact with a mace. The Tory says that in the event that he came in contact with a maze and he has to start counting all over again. So the question is if a Nazer came in contact with a mace but the was wearing the tits. So right would that make an impact? So as it relates to the then yeah so the was bringing his carbon and we find out that the was for that you would have the it wouldn't help form what would be if the was meaning the of the wasata then the tits would be mirata Now what's to mean is where a person came in contact with he did not know he came in to at the time later he found out he came in contact with and the tum that he had come in contact with was a tum that nobody was aware of no one in the world knew about this to that's what's known as and there's a special ka in the of as it relates to and pes and that's the end of the as much as it sits not for the but if it's In that instance, it already is going to be miratus. So again, this is the mishna. The garra now is going to break down this mishna a little bit. And again, what's the objective? It's a lot going on here, but the objective is we're asking on the ziknar, which part of the ziknar, not the original part of the ziknar, but really the derivative that emerged from the ziknar and that is hold. They were forced to hold it to answer the the although we know someone that's is not supposed to bring carbon but if a carbon was brought on behalf of someone that's even though we can't eat from the carbon it doesn't matter is it's going to be okay. It's true even by the even by the carbon we just read said right so there's a concept of the let's say the was done with became but not if the became what are we talking about are we talking about where the tumo was tomaser now one thing that we should speak out is the understands that the Mishna means where the bum became right when we read the Mishna we said that well see in the there's two ways he could learn either the bum became or the is so we're going to go with the assumption right now that it's the bum that's Tommy and the wants to know what kind of did he have is talking about and we're saying that in the event that a person became so it's not as it relates to Nazer and and carbon pes right we'll focus more on carbon pes because that's what the sug has been talking about so became the sit is not going to be but the says you need the tits to be if the y became didn't we just says right to shar and by the way even though we mentioned it's a whether shar or not but hold shar that's the whole reason they hold that tom by shar because there's no as opposed to as it relates to Tomas but for sure of talking about so the Mishna can't be talking about Tomas Must be what kind of tomas and what does the Mishna say the Mishna says that the tit is not what do you see from here meaning is talking about with the owner The B came talking. It's not tomas. It's cuz daddy could bring the So what else must it be? Tomas m right now. Is it not possible? It's another type of tomas. We'll see in a second. But for now, probably Tomas M. And what do you see from here? You see that? You see that in the event that the bum became tommyas m that tits is not even why do I even need the tits to be it should be good. Right. is an idea of me tells me that why what should be the problem as it relates to toas when the b is told to say anyways so what are you telling me that is not what do you mean I thought that anyways it's going to be what do you see from here that no says if the when it said to was talking about whether became and he became tomas you would even have to come It's it's part you want to know what's going on over here. It's talking about it's talking about where the became Tommy and he became Tommy Basher. It's not where the Bible became Tommy. If the Bible becomes Tommy Tomas, it's going to be okay where the became Tommy and he became Tommy Bashar. Now why do you have say the co became Tommy Basharitz? Why can't you say the co became Tommy M? Oh, because it's a zikn zign hold if the co is tom but the evidence also going to be kosher. But if he's bash then it's not going to be kosher. So no again it can't be talking about where the B became because then you could even bring it. It can't be talking about where the B became because then it be that's the derivative of it can't be talking about the and the became because that's the the first part it's the ratio of that for sure is going to be okay. What is he talking about? That's what's going on in the look at the last line of the that as much as the but then already it would now we know the only time as it relates to we say it's true didn't mean that is No. Now what's the point? If there's no that means the Mishna can't be talking about because the Mishna is saying became the good became the assumption is the same type of right we're consistently talking in this mission about the same type of if there's no such thing as so that means the last line of the can't be talking about well if that's the case in the case of also can't be talking about so you want to that is talking about who's the goof that became the what type of to become that's how you can check over the boxes make with the whole sheet of the first part and the derivative part of it can't be the talking about the reason it can't be talking about is because it says and said isn't it by that's But it could be for there is meaning doesn't mean it means as opposed to something else. What's something else but it could be relates to that's going to be included and if is going to be included could be talking about and if the talking about it can make the work. Now we just said in order to make this mission work I'll leave the when the Mishna says what does it mean to right not that the became because if the became right if it's fine and even if it's hold it's fine so what does it mean it means the became and became because again would become then That's fine. That's the sheet of ziknim right in our mishmle and it's not true by Tomas because but it's talking about where the became but the says actually had a sh in that is being he's bringing the does he have does he not have he wanted to know if at Koula where no one knew about the Tom said then everything is going to be okay then this is going to be mira is that true even if the was the one that became or is only true if the if the is talking about the it's the works for the because the whole is talking about the so what was says asking on the way we're saying from Romy and all kind of that is the Romy from the fact that Romy didn't learn the Mishna that the Mishno is talking about the became Tommy rather he learned means the B became Tommy that's why he's right if means the co then the talks about obviously is referring to the co from the fact that is not sure about So is that when the says it means the from that it's that doesn't hold like the why is it because means the and means that the bi became right it can't be can't be because must be what must be it's m and if it's m so you see that it's not going to be okay. If someone's talking to Tommy to M, he can't have a carbon being brought on his behalf. And if the can't get to me, the certainly can't be when he's right. That was the So, it's true from who said that the mission is talking about the Bin. You see, not like the derivative of the ziknar. So, it's for sure not like the ziknar. That's without a question. But as it relates to the ziknim, there's no grace of one thing that we're certainly not going to go into, but is worth at least mentioning that the is talking about either or maybe the talking about and you don't have a even from not like the is a already an either way. Either way, the Gmorra said, "We understand ziknar. There's a bigish that comes out from zikn a derivative and we can even make shom. There's a way to work out the pay." Now, what emerged is that there's a between and if someone's tummy and a carbon pak was brought on his behalf, would the carbon be cautious? Would it not be cautious? would be that's a mitzvah. That's the way you're supposed to do it. But it actually would be okay. That's not what you're supposed to do. You're not supposed to be part of a supposed to bring the but if you did it would be okay. It has to be that way because if the carbon that was brought on his behalf would be okay. But Ramy Bar we said Ramy Bar for sure doesn't hold that way. How do you know that? From the way learned the mission. How do you know how learned the from the Ramy had? He wasn't sure if this must be that's mentioned in the is talking about where the Bcamear now is going to ask a from a Bryce. The Pik says regarding the tits, right? It was supposed to be on the forehead of the is the Marta. This idea that this is that by wearing that had the ability to attain for the aches. This is the bright talking what a ver what oven was the situ for pigle doesn't mean piggle meaning let's say pigle while the was or even maybe even wasn't wearing the you tell me that is it makes that carbon can't be it says that means even but the evidence not okay maybe it means so what's so what was piggle So says, right? are both sometimes referred to as pigle. So is so you can't tell me that is you can't tell me it's because must be that what is the right which is what the says and the reason to say that Right? Makes sense because you find a when it comes to that you don't find it by piggle or by right you find it by and being that you find that ka so therefore you're going to have this ka as well so the now is going to try to understand what to this price is referring to and we're going to lead up to the on my what's the price is referring to when it says it sits as doesn't in Tomas meaning in a situation that the or the Tommy was saying that it is going to be it can't be why because the price gave a time of the crow we said why is it that it says because you find another cool the other you don't find as it relates to you only find it as it relates to Tomas Must be what does the Bryson mean what it means is Tomas Maze right that's what the are fear the okay now the laugh the price says that if there's going to be aren't we talking about where the became right again we mean even if the bim are the ones that became it could be the k but is talking about even where the b is and what do you see from here alum you see clearly that it is when the Bible is right. So you see that that's the way it is. Now the Gmorra continues and the Gmorrah says now really at this point you already see a kash on because you see that if Tomas so there's an idea that he could be right you see there's a concept that he should be able to be mashall but just because we see that we didn't necessarily knock out Romy Bar yet the reason we didn't knock out Romy Bar yet is because who said that this price is talking about carbon pes right again Romy said that m can't be carbon as it relates to the carbon right those are really the cases of the up until now we see that the tit is going to be for a that's but we don't necessarily know it's talking about the was talking about and as a result we don't necessarily have a kashi so the gar has to continue are we talking about that the carbon that the beat for is It can't be because of the says clearly that in the event that all of a sudden he becomes that he has to start his nazerus all over again. Meaning in the event that the Nazer becomes Tommy Tomas there's no way in the world that the carbon could be brought on his behalf that since campa he has to start his nazerus again and as a result there's no way that it's going to work for him must be it's talking about for the but the bottom line is you seem foolish that in the event that the B became the pess could be brought on his behalf. So if that's the case, isn't there from this price and not like said that the current can't be brought on behalf of somebody that's Tommy Tomas? You see that that sits with on behalf of somebody that's Tommy and it says which must mean it's and it's talking about the carbon pace can't be talking about the because by the you wouldn't have this because the says very clearly what happens becomes it's so isn't that probably what's going on but the bottom line is you see that is for someone that's says no is only What's the we said it sounds like we're talking about that's what we mean is is not that it's for where that actual is what we mean is that it's for the because you find by the concept that it's but the type of is not the type of to where it's going to be and the reason is because what is the where you find that it's tumas for tumas is actually not right for it's not that's the way understood the mission it's not going to be what type of tommo will it be for it for butami as it relates to m as it relates to m so what does the bry mean when it says all the bry means when it says is is that it makes sense that should be of again you go back to the Bryer the Bryer said that is what's for is it is iter not because you don't find you find now you find by and we're saying it's going to be for but what we mean when we say that it's going to be is for and that is where this is going to be no says There were those that asked from this not on but they asked from this on the how so the had said that's the is now there's a little bit of a dick here it sounds like the tits could only be for that's Tommy meaning if the dam is to but if the makishim are to whether it's the coin or even if it's the bin then it's not going to be okay. And it sounds like if the bum is that even it's not going to be fine. Which are we talking about when we're saying that if the not going to be do we mean it can't be why? Because when we said is okay because it's sounds like it's now the now is it's the but it's now you don't find must be it's and still you find if the dam itself became that's when the mir but of the makes meaning if the bi or if the k would be to then it would not be and if that's the case you have a big cash on the in fact you have a cash on both parts of the zikn because you see over here if the is that is going to be possible even the tit is not going to be that's a problem with the first thing said when the says it means not to but rather what it means is rather what it means means is and with the derivative as well because we said that it has to be if the it's going to be well then if the here you see both the it's not going to be good even says this is cuz that's related to you can't make the even when it's only with regards to saying the reason is what it means is the same exact part that you find that's why it makes sense that not for not for but for it's only going to be as it relates to not but because when it comes to are going to be okay either way again this is a very hard. It's very hard to do justice to it in a in a setting. It's something that requires an enormous amount of just to understand and go through it properly and certainly to try to understand some of the behind it. But the the shortest recap possible is the possible that is possible is going to be possible. It's true only if he was talking to if however he was talking to you don't have this what's the reason being that could be when it meets the criteria of therefore at the very least if he's bringing a carbon is that it would have to be which is not subject to the laws of why because and the only time you have the is where the would be pushed off to and if that's true by the it's true by the as well. So you don't have the par of therefore you don't have to is going to be possible said if that's going to be it has to be that if the carbon is if he sends carbon it's going to be as well the reason it has to be that way is because otherwise you would have a major problem because you find by that the is better than the by the Tommy it's even that's the way understood the mission of Tommy Pel it's Tommy to you see the is much better than the but it would have to be consistent it would have to be better as well so it's untenable to think that if the carbon is m it's going to be pled even yet if the ismas then it's going to be And it has to be said that held that just like if the in a state of it's going to be so if the carbon would bring his carbon in a state of m it would be there is no way around that I the whole par of that's only the mitzvah I we find that it's to be from the you would think it should be to be from the as well this guy who's can't be from the right the one that's could be from because we taught but this person can't be from the were not they didn't hold this business that you have to be able to be they didn't hold from this business you have to be from Isn't there where it's that was if the dam was to by the carbon but not if the was to it sounds like if the barbon was to if the balac carbon was to so then would be that it wouldn't be said. It sounds like probably where it's no it's talking about not where the carbon was. We talk about where the was and not even where the was because that would be fine but also but it's talking about where he was said clearly learned the it's talking about where the carbon was and he was Tomas and from the showed that obviously was because of the opinion that if the balac carbon is to he would not be able to have a carbon pak be brought on his behalf it's not something that would Even if that's true then the whole the whole domino effect of the would implode. One version the gumar was asking on the other version was asking on the zikn either way the gumar was the same way. This concludes the sugi version of it of the ziknid.