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Today's daff is
and we are at the two dots in the middle
of
apostles. So yesterday we began the
second per of
and the perk began with people that are
possible to do any one of the Mishna
discusses but as we spoke out say
but rather the Mishna means
and the only one of the
that's not included in the of the Mishna
and that's based on what says
But regardless, the Mishna said
that's
so the Mishna mentions a whole list, a
whole gamut of people that apostle
and the first apostle mentioned in the
Mishna was we spoke about that
yesterday. The second puzzle mentioned
in the Mishna is we began to speak about
that yesterday is going to continue
resume its discussion of an that's
possible to do the and then at the
latter part of the d the gumar is going
to discuss and
that are also possible to do the avoid.
So we're going to be discussing an
obviously this is not a light b
specifically in the context of doing the
so of course is someone that loyal loses
a k the day of the
so this discussion in the exactly what
the precise definition of is but the
point is that says the mishna is not
allowed to do the so the first half of
the sugi of was discussing the macar and
the gar brought fourar two
and now the continues on that note. So
one of the things that we saw with
regards to the is that although an
himself is not allowed to do the there's
an exception to the rule is and that is
the
says that if a finds out while he's in
the base one of his relatives died
he's not allowed to leave the mikt
he has nothing to worry about he can
continue doing the and his won't
constitute
meaning he won't be avoid while he's
doing the but clearly what you see in
the is
that although a that's an can't do the
that's the but is different is allowed
to do the as we're going to see not only
was the allowed to do the avoid but when
he was even allowed to bring a a carbon
it's up to
that says that it's possible is not
allowed to do the that's only if an
wants to do the carbon
but an
is allowed to do the when he's an
is allowed to do the granted that the
avoid that he is doing involves a carbon
says how do I know that
I know it
from
where the is that
is not allowed to do the still
is that
so if a carbon is being brought then
whatever the
are but the point is we know there's a
concept that a carbon sber could be
brought even by a even by
That is Tommy. That's the kadesh of
so
where a god cannot bring a carbon
when he is to still a head could bring a
carbon
when he's an
so which is more cool because you find
that a whoing could bring a carbon it's
a carbon then certainly a that's an
should be able to bring a carbon. So
Raba said that even though the
brought fully that an is not allowed to
do the says that's only a carbon an is
allowed to do the avoid even ahead again
is always allowed to do the when he's
discussing a
that ordinarily is not allowed to do the
when he's only going to be true if he's
bringing a carbon but if he's bringing a
carbon or he could how does he know that
he says I know from mad
That's Tommy could bring a carbon core.
Certainly a
can bring a carbon core. Now why are you
assuming that more than so that you can
make this
to bring a carbon? Certainly a that's
can bring a carbon says I know that from
the
that's allowed to bring a carbon whereas
a that's not to bring a carbon. So what
you see from there is that is more than
so if that's he has the
can bring a carbon certainly that that
is an should be able to bring a carbon
as well. In other words, what is saying
is and this is important in order to
understand the until the bottom of the
although the if you take the brought at
first at face value it would appear that
is always possible to do the head you
can never do the
could always do the said based on one of
the
based on I think if you move the pieces
around you have no choice but to say
that it's not always true. We have to
compromise the so to speak and we have
to say it's true that an is not allowed
to do the but the only time an is not
allowed to do the is if it's a carbon
but if it's a carbon based on the
I don't believe that's going to be true
meaning although the the face value of
the is that is never allowed to do the
but based on the me of we're going to
say it's not the case it's only by a
carbon that is not allowed to do the but
when it comes to a carbon
is going to be different. So the Gmorra
now asks
three on and that is the time is that in
his
assumed three hanas. He assumed three
and if you want to go and use the
methodology of and that is that
or
needs to be tweaked based on the mid of
then I think the three that assumed in
the that he made aren't necessarily the
case and if that's true his whole falls
off which means that is being sort of
inconsistent meaning is saying that even
though the is that an is not allowed to
do the but the meat of qualifies that
and says it's only true for carbon it's
not going to be true for carbon it's I
hear but it has tor and says that the
lim can't be understood
if you want to use that methodology cut
and paste that thought process that
methodology three of the that made to
make his
aren't going to work and if that's the
case the either
you take literally and say that even
though it doesn't
or you say you say the is the and is is
going both ways is making three in his
that don't with the and the purpose of
what is trying to say is to be a mut
based on the of the okay so over the
that roa made. Number one,
the is that uh an aoid
aen that is to is not allowed to do the
avoid, right? A co that's to is not
allowed to do the avoid. Now that's true
for carbon. That's not true for a
carbon. Is that true for a or is that
not true for assumed in his very very
clearly that when we say that a is not
to do the it's not just that that's not
let it's true for as well. Where did he
say that?
Meaning he said
you can argue that maybe when the says
that that's Tommy is not let maybe it
only means maybe it doesn't mean
assume that. Now the reason assumed that
is because that's the traditional mikra.
doesn't say anywhere between a and a but
the in a minute is going to ask that
based on the maybe we should argue it's
only that's not let do the
maybe is allowed to number two is that
assumed for sure that
is true even for a carbon head even for
a head not only for a what was
he
He's saying clearly that is allowed to
do
when he's as long as
maybe the only time we say by maybe it's
not by so I know what RA is going to say
what do you mean that's okay but if you
want to make
work with as we see the is going to ask
that then in the world of that doesn't
and maybe the only time we say
If the that's doing the is a maybe it's
not true if the that's doing the is and
finally assumed that when we say that a
is allowed to do the it means he's
allowed to do the avoid of a carbon and
a of a carbon what was
there too you can argue maybe the only
time we say that a
is if it's a carbon maybe not if it's a
carbon again what's probably going to
tell you that's what the says that's the
micro but the is going to ask now that
based on the
you can argue that maybe the only time
is allowed to do the is if it's a carbon
or not if it's a carbon so again just
the the high level we have to get and
that is that what the is saying is is
that saying that although the fully that
the brought yes it is that it's possible
to do the isma
is always possible to do the is never
allowed to do the carbon
carbon said
the is not that way. It's just the
carbon that an is not allowed to bring
but allowed to bring a carbon isn't
that always possible. It's true but the
forces mesh
and say that the is only referring to a
carbon the is not referring to a carp.
What's the kab
whatever the kab is the in order for to
establish this kab he had to make three
there were three building blocks that
used in his kab and all three building
blocks were really predicated on taking
a kiput and the emis is that if you
wanted to reconcile those three building
blocks those three with the wouldn't
reconcile so if
method methodology is correct that could
be
which is ultimately what is trying to do
when he's saying his his
then you have to do it across the board
which essentially would knock out all
three of those what were these that
would have knocked out the
makes
you're assuming
That's an
I can argue not that way it doesn't
which is allowed to bring if he's a
carbon
that's
is not allowed to bring a carbon
carbon then anos where a head can't
bring a carbon in addition to a carbon
then certainly a that's an shouldn't be
able to bring a carbon so the bas
should be that that's an should not be
able to bring a a carbon
meaning this
doesn't
another
we said that The of
is only true for a
allowed to bring a carbon. But when it
comes to a that's
even the was not allowed to bring a
carbon if he was to frank why I would
argue that based on me this way and this
is an easy one.
where you find a that
is allowed to bring even a carbon. So
if a is allowed to bring a carbon when
he's certainly should be able to bring a
carbon when he was because one hand is
more than because by you find the
concepts of by you don't find such a
concept. So,
and then finally
this that we're assuming that applies
even to a that's one of the accepted
that doesn't mean that was allowed to do
the of course was was allowed to do it.
That was one of three that he made in
his but says
carbon
is not a bring if he's even a carbon. So
meaning on some level you can argue that
is more
or more than because you find this that
can be when he's you don't have this as
it relates to so
can't bring a carbon sour when he's then
certainly a shouldn't be able to bring a
carbon sour when he
this whole
applies even to so this is confusing but
the point is what the Garra is saying is
is that I can come up with is this way
that way we can yank us all over the
place at the end of the day what do you
have to say what are you forced to say
at the end of the day you have to go
with so
it applies even to
There's a that could be it applies even
to a carbon. There's a tummy can't bring
a carbon. It applies even to a meaning
we just assume I how do you reconcile
with I don't know how you reconcile with
it's going to be impossible to really
come up with a solid but if that's the
case just coming full circle this is the
end of this. So what the says is is that
if you want to assume that
and not try to reconcile all these with
the
say the same thing with regards to the
when we say that it's possible it means
he's possible to bring a carbon it means
he's possible to bring a carbon as well
can you make a
certainly should be I hear but again
It's going to be impossible to reconcile
everything and as a result
before we go
two horrors number one. So the the
subject of the second peric again is
a whole list of ples. We mentioned
yesterday that when we say ple we don't
just mean that is not allowed to do the
avoid to tell me that is not allowed to
do the
we don't need the says many many times
that who did the
know we know that wasn't allowed to do
the we know that was supposed to do the
and that same is going to be true for a
lot of that are mentioned in the
is not that these people are not allowed
allowed to do the avoid the is that
these people if they do the avoid the
avoid is going to be possible. So again
the is not for example
that a zor can't do the avoid the is not
that an cannot do the avoid the is that
if a does the avoid the avoid is
possible the is that if an does the
avoid the is the
is going to be possible so much so
asks that isn't there in the beginning
of Anytime
the terror says you're not allowed to do
something and you went ahead and did it
doesn't work or does it not work and the
brings a whole list of ra is this way is
that way it's one of the classic is in
between
according to the holds
what do you need this whole for what do
you need this whole
For example, we know can't do the it
says
we know that has to do that says it
obviously says it many times that were
the ones that were supposed to do the
okay so once I know that a has to do the
if did the he's doing something he's not
allowed to do so he's
so what do I need aishna to tell me that
in addition to the iss not allowed to do
the
possible isn't that
either way there's a lot of raid a lot
of this answer but just one thing in
terms of that we have to clarify
when we say that
what's the definition of so we're saying
doesn't just mean that they can not to
do it means that the avoid is possible
to does ple mean that you have to do the
avoid again but if you want to do the
avoid again you have the option to do
the avoid again or does ple mean that
you can't even do the avoid again once
apostle does the avoid at that point all
bets are off and there's nothing you
could do anymore now obviously with some
of this it's a mood point for example if
a ple would be macab all the diamond so
there's no more d to be macab So
obviously there's no way to be mak you
can't take the dam put it back into the
and do another that's not kab is from
that's already that already wouldn't
work so obviously you need aim so where
it's going to be possible but it's going
to be possible one of the examples he
gives is that apostle wasn't allowed to
do malik wasn't allowed to salt the
animal so what happens if aar went and
he salted the animal
you got to salt an animal before you
burn it as a carbon so let's sayar did
the malik so now you're going wash it
off. He'll take the salt off. And now a
going to go. He's going to put more
salt. There's there's no shortage of
salt. So let do the akash. So do we say
that's okay. Iar did the malik and
wasn't allowed to do the that just means
that his as if it never happened. Okay.
So you're missing the let come and let
him be that that's missing. Or maybe
when the mission says ple it means it's
ple the carbon is ple. Now once someone
that's not allowed to touch this carbon
touches the carbon, it's off limits. So
you can't just wash the meat and have a
go ahead and do the because this carbon
was just rendered telled. So it says the
mik at first glance I know what you're
going to tell me. You're going to have
tell me it's
what's the we learned together. It's
shabas. The Gmorra says first discussed
what happens if someone wasn't a did so
and then took the and he was to them. So
is one of the
came even who's says
doesn't disqualify
but he's
soar.
So Zor took the dam and he brought it to
the misb. So so far it's really we're
off to a bad start. It's bad. What
happened was a kayan came and he brought
it back took it right back to the
starting point and now took it. So the
gar is it or isar says it was between it
was one said one said
what's
so did wasn't allowed to do the that's
our Mishna. Our Mishna says but we said
it means as well and that's where was
done by apostle can you undo it now and
be making it by having
we say no it's too late once someone
that wasn't allowed to do the
at this point it's too late you have no
way of be it says the first glance the
tell me that my
it's
Is it going to be cautious? Is it going
to be possible? It says in if you go
through that a little bit better, you'll
realize one really has nothing to do
with the other because the was that it's
a very specific with regards to right
the clar when there were two is done the
was brought to the was brought back to
the starting point then it was brought
to again. What was the was it the
or was it the
and that's essentially the sh over there
the sh is what's the meaning the says
kasher over there holds because once you
bring it to the that's the
says that if a brings it it's it's going
to be possible because he holds the is
the
so that is the one is
So I don't care what happened before. In
other words, the shil is is it the
or is it the but it's not a general
shila every single time a or any ple
tampers with a carbon. Does that mean
that the carbon is going to be possible?
Does that not mean the carbon is going
to be possible?
With a shishna
we're walking away with a shil with a
little bit of a suffix. Something to
keep in mind when we say that a puzle
that does an with a carbon does that
mean
once he does the there's nothing you
could do about it anymore. There's no
way to be massac or does it just mean
that was
but if there was a way to be if there
was a way to be mak I isn't that the
that's already you have to get into the
weeds of we're not going to get into
that now but the point is as it relates
to the
so again the is not telling me the is
telling me ple the question is what's
the definition of ple does ple mean
you're missing like to be or does ple
mean that there's is a
soul in this garb and as a matter of
fact there's not going to be any way to
be misak just one other interesting
lighter
and that is that this idea that is
hustled to do the is actually something
that's brought down in it's something
that has ramifications so today we don't
have so it's not negated to say that
can't do can't
But there's a related
that is that comes from this right here.
It's an
says
while he's sitting is not supposed to.
So what should he do if he's in or if
he's in his house during the
supposed to walk out of says
that this isn't just true during the but
it's true for the entire year
and says that's the
that
does not say what's the what's
than an doesn't it says the as follows
number one when we say that an is not
certainly an is not allowed why is it a
because an is not allowed to do the how
do you know that that's a that's
brings that the said he had where it
came to him and he passed in this way in
the B everybody was masking to it. So
the bottom line is quoting a shock says
that if the says that an is not allowed
and is not allowed to do why is it ak
what's the
means
certainly the is when it comes to
there's another but why he shouldn't be
able to was possible to was allowed to
do the it was that wasn't allowed to do
the avoid and
said that is an so it's for that
reasoning
the it's going to be that
like an is not allowed to what's the
where does this come from? So the
although doesn't quote it
says
that's not
he doesn't agree
he believes that was
he simply does not believe from an
perspective in the
he has no he doesn't get mad he's not
let do the he's off limit
How does he know that? Because the says,
okay, it's a from that. Now that passing
is talking about it's discussing of the
it says
if the
is from
so maybe it's only true for maybe only
someone that's not has this
how do you know to be mar all 15 aid
interesting so we've been talking about
But again, those are avoided. There were
other avoid that were done on the base
of how do you know all 15.
What are these 15o
lists them out?
meaning oft
and one of the things mentioned as one
of the other 15 is maybe from it's
referred to as a you see it's an so and
is not allowed to do the
it's not going to be able to do argues
says I agree with the but I disagree
with the reason he says
you're going to tell me that is so
apply to there's no way you're going to
be able to reconcile that that's not
going to work. What do you have to say
is
I quote that although it's true on some
level it's called and maybe with regards
to certain but not with regards to all
and being that it's not true with
regards to all it's a bigish to say that
would not be able to do the simply
because we look at this as because we
not be able to do this because we look
at as being an avoid what then is the
reason that an can't do the avoid he
said it's the same reason that an oel
can't do the avoid and the reason is
it's very simple because in order for a
person to do he has to be in a place of
I mean that he has to be in a place of
of and is is not it's for that reason
that doesn't say
because
says it's not the reason it's true on
some level is looked at as but
it's not looked at with regards to
everything what then is the reason the
reason is something else. The reason is
because he's not and being that he's not
sure it's something that's going to be
difficult for him to do. But either way
just before we go there three
number one so we have a discussion over
here
whether an maybe is not and the reason
is based on the fact that is looked at
as years ago we spoke out festerate we
don't have time to go through this whole
although we don't have time to go
through it but with regards to someone
that's not a if someone's not a he wants
to go up and he decides that he wants to
is he allowed to do or is he not allowed
to do so at first glance you're going to
tell me what's the hab meaning that he
should be able to I mean we say it every
morning.
It's it's one of the mitzvah. If it's
one of the
shouldn't be able to do that stating
that there's a very mysterious
say
I know that I'm not a stating that
if my tell me my friends say go up and
I go you know I don't turn down my
friends requests. See, even though I
know that I'm not a kay, but if my
friends tell me to do it, I go ahead and
do it. And it's a paladam. What's going
on? I know I'm not a they call me up for
I'll take a I know I'm not a but I'll
take it. Okay. But you can't do your
says
a lot of talks about it from
it's we once spoke out. The punchline of
this is that the says that he found the
he found the one of his quotes this
he quotes this
he's trying to make a point and the way
he quotes is as follows
I know I'm not worthy however
says wow a different
but rather
We're talking about two different
things. Understood once upon a time
there was a there was a podium and they
would call people to get up and you know
say a few words. So,
I know really I'm not worthy to get up,
BUT
says
was probably the right and it must have
been a somewhere along the line that got
confused. He saw the word and he were
probably so he wrote instead
and that's how he got this whole
confusion. But at the end of the day,
as a would have gone up and he would
have but the bottom line is this is
another wrinkle into this whole
discussion. WHY? BECAUSE THE sock is
why
you have the other 15 one of which is
so you have a new reason
why the
shouldn't be able to do why shouldn't
have been able to because it
should be possible to DO IT'S THE SAME
THE IS DISCUSSING THE SECOND APOSTLE in
the Mishna. WE'RE DISCUSSING THE first
but at the end of the day if an
be able to because he's either that's
the first the second the second is the
says why can't has nothing to do with
the fact that
the reason is because he's not and being
that he's not it's for that reason he
can't meaning in order to you have to be
we know that there's really a mit Even
it's only
and the issue.
So it's not one of the
you know asks
it's
if you want to see it inside says
the is that we don't
the reason is
because the only time we're is
in order to give a you have to be in a
good place. You have to be your heart
has to be in a good place.
And most people don't feel that during
the week. As a result in where people
are
it's for that reason
said the not it's only where we feel
when do we
the only time we is is on and says not
just by you know dominating is over
you're about to make that's when you
stop feeling that's when you part of
this idea that you have to be in a place
in order to that is So fundamental to
the Ram says that's the answer that's
the
we don't we should every morning why
don't we is
you have to be and
he says even
people are worried they're not working
how they going to make money so the
bottom line is it's only literally right
before kesh that people feel it a little
bit and it's only then that you can go
ahead and you
you can because in order to you have to
be in a place for
brings that really it's a you know he's
very bothered by this also this mic how
is it possible that we don't and he says
an interesting he says that it's that
there were two that tried instituting
says there were two in the previous that
tried instituting
and when the day came the day arrived
that they wanted to institute
and they said
came they saw that there must be some
that they don't want
says that he knows he has a messiah that
there were two in the pre his previous
already a few where they these two
wanted to instituteing every single
morning
it was something that didn't work out
but the doesn't tell us who these two
are but it's the says that it was none
other than the
and the so I'll tell you something
interesting that
invalid
in the middle of a a very long he says
as follows this is talking
he heard from
that one day decided that he wanted to
institute.
They stopped him.
Apparently there was a big vna at the
time and the police were coming and they
were incarcerating people and the va
himself ended up in Basur and it
happened on that day that in his base
mish he was going to fear this new where
they were going to starting every
morning he says I heard that
he decided that he's going to do and
take care of the unfinished business of
his
and he's going to go and was going to
try to do the same thing on that night.
The night before that chakras where
they were going to insert in there was a
half the city burnt
and included in that half the city was
the says they saw they understood
they realiz
and that come down are involved. Disash
and it was and they're not meant to come
down on a weekday.
We know this is above our pay grade says
but the bottom line is this fascinating
this idea as it relates to
and you see there were people that that
tried doing it but terms of the why not
already says that it's related because
have to be which is the same reason that
the gives why is not able to then
finally the third so you have an
interesting idea we know has to be done
by that doesn't necessarily mean that
it's right we
We had
to be done by even though it's it's
soap. However, that's a
brings that
we know that begins
says that the word is 25 says we know
that
says
There's really a 25th and the 25th Mat
that Hashem gave the Khan was the
mitzvah. The fact that a has the ability
to bench he has this superpower this to
be the intermediary to bring down this
like says down from that's a
and it's and it's the 25th of the and
that's in
used to say over that the had a zeda
that had 24 children. He had 12 sons and
he had 12 daughters. He himself was a
kay which meant that his 12 sons was
khan. His 12 daughters all married and
he said one time the entire family
together. So
with his 12 sons and 12 all of whom were
and he said he was to be
25 members of one
at the same time but just to bring it
back full circle. So you have
an
is
regardless on that note we resume
and then the Mishna mentioned so what's
a what's a
is someone that became he went to the
mikvah obviously mikvah is tyro 101 but
even after a went to the mikvah the tom
did not become
until she until the sun sets. So until
the sun sets this to that went to the
mikvah they're still going to be so
we're familiar with the idea of a to
right that's a toy somebody's touch the
sherets okay so he has to go to mik it's
about carries
they have to go to the mikvah right but
you don't become until the sun sets
and what happens is although after the
it's a little bit meaning he's not going
to be in the same intense state of tommo
that he was previously but on some level
he's still a tom so for example a coy
that
until
the sun sets he's not let on you it's
only after the sun sets how do you know
that it's the first in it's the first in
right so the says when do you read when
could you read it's
what's the rest of the story the rest of
the story is we talk about a that was
because he was so he went to the mik But
despite the fact that he had he's still
at when does he become he becomes when
the sun sets. until the sun sets he has
a dinner at and he's still considered to
he's still not going to be able to eat
you know the
soal is very very famous it's famous for
his piece on and learning with a but the
very last paragraph in the he says as
follows
I decided that I'm writing the safer a
magnumopus the I want to be my
He wants to say over something from his
father. So he says that even though it's
not related to the but he's writing aer
and he wants to be with something that
he heard from his father in the first
glance. What does one have to do with
the other? What does
have to do? What does it have to do with
Okay, it's a
but at the end of the day what's what's
in the world would
say he said as follows
this idea that after a person he needs
what's said as follows because although
is a
but being that this person woke up in
the morning
The tum remains with him through the
course of the day. meaning he toal
YOU'RE RIGHT HE DID SOMETHING he did a
micer right now of and based on the mice
of that he did he shouldn't be anymore
but the bottom line is he was for and
once for it's impossible to completely
rid yourself from that and that's the of
that's the
but today you al be it in the morning
before so now even after there's a
there's a a there's
of that's gonna that's going to stick
with you. So the says that if his father
said that's the same we say in the
morning and then we say at night why do
you only say in the morning and night
why do you have to say again in the
afternoon three times a day so why is it
SHOULD HAVE BEEN JUST LIKE THREE TIMES A
DAY WE d shouldn't you have to say three
times a day so said his father said you
know what the answer is true what do you
see from the what do you see that the
currently True already the says that
once he was from the remains with him if
that's true for the same is true for the
as well once a person's
in the morning that
remains with him during the course of
the day you start your day on the right
foot so that you get from starting your
day with learning with
it stays with you and even though during
the course of your day you go here you
go there
the bottom line is at the end of the day
it it's something that remains with you.
When do you have to lish again? At night
after now we're ready. It's a new day.
Now we're ready.
Now that is not there. Now we're ready.
It's time to
So the reason that you are
from the morning and then you skip all
the way till the night you don't have to
again during the day. The reason for
that is is because the remains with you.
How do I know that?
I know that from I know that from
we can't stall anymore.
I'm kidding.
And how do you know that?
Meaning after he read maybe you think at
this point he's not anymore. So maybe at
this point he's allowed to do the avoid.
So the Mishna says no a regular Tommy is
not allowed to do the is also not
allowed to do the more time
what's the
it says
now that Pic the way the Gmorra
understands it it's talking about that
is has to stay away from he has to stay
away from the and if he doesn't he's
going to be
so we have an telling me that is not let
to do the but more than that if a
does the he's going to be a that's the
emphasis of now we know that an ordinary
is not let to do the how do we know that
we know that from yesterday's d that was
the
in that was referring referring to a
says
a regular I know
to tell me
how do I know that this extra is
referring to a maybe
already you see that with regards to a
lot of things he's just can't eat but
with a lot of things he's considered a
so maybe he's allowed to do the I what
is this of it's an extra the maybe it's
referring to the PK right before it. So
the PK right before it says that a is
not
if he's so he can't be
can't stop ripping his hair out. He
can't be
a razor. Now the truth is all
and
it's not from the but
with regards to the but the bottom line
is that's the context over there. The
says can't be a can't be and right
afterwards it says
so maybe that is coming to say that
and then he does the or shaves with a
razor and then he does the so maybe
that's the
of that to tell me that the possible how
do you know that this extra is coming to
teach me so says I'll tell you how
do you know that does the meaning we
know that cannot do the avoid. Not only
can a not do the avoid that does the
avoid is what's our discussion again our
discussion is not whether he can or
cannot our discussion is that if he does
the be spoke out our discussion is if he
does the is going to be possible but the
fact that does the is a problem that we
know not only do we know that we also
know that and how do we know that
we learn it from and is
And it says
but with regards to and even that it's
so we use this somewhere else to teach
me a with regards to what's just like
that
is
so too
that does the avoid is going to be says
as well. But if we're using this clearly
in that other
to teach me a about not a about someone
that's or someone that's
so that this is talking about the is
talking about how do I know that I know
that from that okay then obviously when
it says I have a full that does the is
going to be possible not a that or zen
does the is going to be possible.
We have that
is possible. What's that's a Tommy that
went to the mikah the sun didn't set
yet. It wasn't yet. So the is he's a
little bit he could eat nicer for
example. There's certain things he could
do but at the same time he's not
completely can eat. That's
true until the sun sets. Now the Mishna
mentioned another to and that is a
kipur. What's a musur? There were
certain people that were so that in
order for them to be tar they even had
to bring a carbon. So they have to go to
the mikvah they would have to wait for
the sun to set and then the next day the
day after they went to the mikvah they
had to bring a carbon until they did
that they weren't tar. Who was who are
those? So there were four Z aes
and a those four people can were not
until they even brought a carbon. Now
what happens after they went to the
mikvah the sun set but they didn't bring
a carbon yet they were able to eat
because
that's and that's true even if you're a
Tommy that has to bring a carbon what
you couldn't do when you were what you
couldn't do when you couldn't catch it.
So really there are certain people that
there were three levels of their tyra
process. Number one, they had to go to
the mikvah. Until then, they're a good
oldfashioned t. They had to wait for the
sun to set. Meaning after they went to
the mikvah, if the sun didn't set yet,
they were still a more kishma, a weaker,
they were considered a and even after
they went to the mikvah and the sun
already set. In some cases, they were
still to again a weaker to
that to remained until they brought a
carbon. What couldn't they do after she
before they brought the carbon they
couldn't eat kach
we have a p that tells me that a to that
does the regular does we have a we just
mentioned now that does the is going to
be possible and the gumar is going to
bring later in the in the
is going to be possible that's the
mishna we have obviously as well all
three of them if they do the is going to
be possible and we have a each three so
rabb was bothered oh
the
why do I need a
disposal says
I only known to okay I would have
thought a regular that does the right
his why is it the most I mean it's
obvious it's the most but you want an
example he could be can't be
can't be m that could be if he does the
is going to be possible as opposed to
I couldn't just say
maybe should have just said once I know
certainly that's true but
I wouldn't know from because I would
think
is more than
could eat he just can't eat
had I had aim
and I would know that
I would have that does certainly a
regular but I wouldn't necessarily know
I thought comes isn't a higher stage of
of yeah but on some level you can argue
that
all he needs is the sun to set that's
not a the sun's going to set what means
he has to do something he has to bring a
carbon he has to do a so on some level
you could think that maybe is bottom
line is rabbit said I need a because I
would never be able to learn one from
the other. I certainly can't learn
anything from the real Tommy because
are less than a just because a real
doesn't mean
I can't learn from I can't learn from
that's why I need a but says
we're getting the hang of this. So I
understand you can't learn one from the
other can't you make them. So can't you
learn one from two? So the says okay
which one do you not wanted to say?
Which one is extra? Meaning you're
saying let it say two and I'll know the
third
you want it not to say and let's
from the fact that a regular
that's the same
is let it not say and let's learn from
it between a regular
What are you going to ask? You're going
to ask essentially the same question
that we asked a minute ago.
A regular Tommy is what's his and
he has to bring the carbon but here the
says
I hear what you're saying that is
whereas
he just needs a son to say but let's be
honest the is less than the it's cliche
to why is he less and he can eat whereas
the can't eat so is the gamar is pulling
off of that
At the end of the day,
why do you need let it say maybe by
itself? Certainly
when it's
the even though he's
but
then certainly should be able to do the
so why do you need him? So the said
hold
must have held along this must have held
that it's it's true it's true that
it's true
is because
but with regards to listen to the what
can't do we look at him as a regular so
can't eat kachch
maybe We look at him as a regular at
meaning.
That's just an example.
Those are the four. The point is is that
we look at not as someone who has is in
a weakened state of he's in a weakened
state of with regards to what he's
allowed to do. But with regards to what
he's not allowed to do, he's a he's a
fest. It's not. If it's not you can't
say and even learn out from there. So
the bottom line is for that reason it
had to say it had to say and it had to
say
drop it says
meaning when we say
he didn't bring his carbon yet so he's
still in a he's still in a state of he
can't eat kum clapping the israchum. Do
we look at him as a regular or is it
even
the
so we have
so we know wasn't allowed to do the
avoid of the parad even though the parad
wasn't done in the mikdash it was not it
wasn't a real but at the same time was
all even was bizarre although ordinarily
bizar is if the was burnt by an or
I agree with you that an is allowed to
burn the I disagree with you that is not
allowed to burn the parad
wasn't allowed to burn it so maybe
that's the looked at as a to was he not
looked at as a to if we look at him as a
if he has the regular tomo with regards
to certain things so with regards to
some things he's a regular
And maybe that's enough to disqualify
him from being able to burn the parad.
Or maybe no, maybe we don't look at him
that way. At the end of the day, he's
he's weak.
He's in a weakened state of someone
that's in this weakened state of even
though is not allowed to burn the maybe
someone in this weakened state of is
allowed to burn the
that's maybe I'll tell you that
meaning is in the real state of what's
the whether could the or not.
the says the
soar had to be the one that was involved
in the preparation of the it had to be
done by so says
I mean that's so obvious we know that
had to do it what's the meaning from
other
in the par of in the beginning of paras
so why did the here have to re-emphasize
it's coming to teach me that he doesn't
have to be a full-fledged even someone
that's a little
That's enough. It's a boy that you don't
have to be 100%.
It's teaching me that is considered a
sometimes a sometimes he's not. He can't
eat. He could eat as it relates to this
is even if you're only a little bit.
Okay. What about
one man said that when we say we mean
every
any single it doesn't matter if you
carry or
meaning it doesn't matter if you're also
or you're not also the says that is
because we know is every even now
are also so you see clearly that
is allowed to be involved in the
preparation of the
just the of the para of paras of the
persons who has the of the subject of
the paradum who got the paradum someone
that was Tomas anything that's like
mitzely
here
certainly
that's more than
but
of a that's more than such as
why are they more because that was but
the bottom line is is that the ones the
also their
it's not that when the terrorist
It's coming to that even such a is
allowed to go and prepare it upon him.
This shim
is allowed to burn the paradow to burn
the parad is not totally in this
fundamental shil but the dissolve is
nothing to do with our more specific
shar
with that at was allowed to burn it. The
question is it every even the even the
are also or is it only at that's