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Today's is
and we are at the last line on the
bottom of
as we've seen the 14th par of picks up
with a 13th par of leaves off which is
the
specifically the Mishna mentioned
certain
that you would have thought maybe should
be included in the parish of in other
words
is stating that because of different
the Mishna said there are certain
exceptions to the rule and the Gmorra is
going through each one and discussing it
in detail. So the Mishna had said that
were brought back is they're excluded
from the parish of meaning
and the is
and we learn from there.
gives a whole list of examples of
animals that apostle being that apostle
they're excluded from the parish of
based on the says
only something that was
included in the parish of being that
these are note
it's for that reason they're excluded
and the gum asks a very obvious question
it's obvious being that we just finished
learning
And that is
why do I need a new
to tell me that these animals which are
excluded from the parish of it's the
most basic tenant of
is that only something that's
is included in the but something that
could not have anyways been brought
is excluded from the parish of what's
the par you had a and you had a dent to
bring it to the mdash. So to the extent
you could bring it to the bas now it's a
problem by not bringing it to the bas
but something that's not
is excluded and and it's a it says
and we learn from there only something
that was
but if it wasn't
it's excluded so
this whole list are all examples of
animals that you couldn't bring they
were as a result why do I need a new of
lift name Mishkan what's wrong with
of
says
itself is not a I could always tell you
it's talking about a case of where it
became a venerva after it was already
hectish meaning first it became hectish
and afterwards it was a venerva so what
says rashi being that it first was
hectish before it was a venerva at that
point that it was hectish it was
already.
See, even if later it becomes ava, it
could be that's not enough to tell me
that it's excluded for it not being
that it was once.
In other words, the is saying in the
you would think that right now it has to
be but says maybe that's an option.
Maybe
is enough that it was once. If that's
the case, it could be I could have ava
which would not be excluded for it not
being
where it became after it was hect when
it was hectish.
Now that it became it doesn't make it
now
because as it relates to this it's
enough that it was run through. So for
that reason I need a new.
So the Gumar says my cash is not because
for there is a se where I would
potentially not be able to exclude it
from the fact that it's not
I would need a new
but as it relates to
can't happen after it's already because
once something is not yours anymore. So
if it's not yours, it's now I can't make
it. That's
101.
Just like I can't sell something that's
not mine. I can't be something that's
not mine. So if you have a carbon that's
a meaning it's because it's it must have
become before it was because once it's I
don't have the ability with my with my
to it to make so that means that it must
have first been
once it's
not
so why do I need
I'll tell you why it could
We know throughout who holds that
being that it's
possible for a person to make his own
and it wouldn't be a problem
is by but
so it is mine if it's mine I have enough
to go ahead and to make it. So you want
to know why I need the
I need it for a case where it was once
it was only afterwards it became a cash
is once it's how does it become it's not
mine the
say
he said it in the context of where we
know that is if someone's and then he
swears it's one of the so he has bring a
carbon. We have the para of of
it says in the
and we learn from there that you only
have on something that belongs to not
something that belongs to stating that
says
to the
so you see that is considered it's
included in the so would be considered
there wouldn't be a problem of
as an aside it's interesting because
we're learning now and in Kachum when
you think of the differences between
there's there's many kadashim
is
kadashim is only
kachum was allowed to take the kachum
and give it to his wife even aar is
sometimes allowed to eat kachum kum if
if he's the kach kadash had to be eaten
the azaro kach kum was able to be eaten
anywhere in different man for most
kachum columns This is there exception
but usually is only whereas we usually
have a second date. So that's all in the
laws of but it's interesting that in the
laws of there's a difference
between
so there aren't only
that come as a result of the
requires soften etc. But there's also
from a mist perspective that according
to it's only but it's mentioned
throughout as much as it's not it's
that's always mentioned
is is that you can't shriek if I say
even though it's mine and I have
obligations towards it but at the end of
the day it's not considered
I'm not considered the bum anymore.
Callum is M and violent I'm still
considered a violent how does it relate
to our like we just explained but the
says if you want to just do a synopsis
it comes out as follows
again why is it that we need a new
to tell me that etc etc etc all these
things are excluded from the par of
what's wrong with saying so the is
making a little summary says
being that how does something become ava
It's that's something that could happen
even after it was already I need
happened after it was once it was
hectish was already it doesn't bother me
that now it's not anymore I need a new
to tell me that it's excluded
which is
which becomes by a person worshiping it
they have problems
so why do I need
it's not possible for it to become after
it became became if that's the case it
was at first so it's anyways from soar
just says what we just said
again this is a summary this part is
being
which were also things that were
mentioned there too same why do I need
why can't I be from what are you going
to tell me it's talking about where it
got
after it was already it's not possible
let's work backwards
is the way it was born. Klay means it
was born through some mix mating means
it was born ceician. So you can't become
a after it was hectish, right? Obviously
it was born this way. So obviously it
had the so from
it was not able to be brought in and is
the same thing because once you
something you can't make it into an why
not it's not yours. What does mean?
You're giving it to a what's you're
swapping it for a kelliff. These are
things you could only do if you own
them. But once you it's not yours.
So there you're going to have a problem.
says the gar I'll tell you the is it's a
little convoluted but it's talking about
the it's talking about where the
the
were the child of a mother that was
going to hold that although it's only
becomes when it's born which means that
when it's an uber in its mother's womb
at that point it's it's still considered
so what we're talking about where the
mother of this
animal meaning the animal itself was
hect but it had an uber the uber itself
was
now the in the case of the for example
somebody took that and used it as an
that's something the person could do
because even though the mother is hish
but if you go like the that holds that
first becomes hish after it's born that
means when it's still cooler being that
it's cool and it's yours. If it's yours,
you can use it at an but at the same
time this animal was considered.
Why? Because being that when it was in
its mother's womb, you could have
brought it as a carbon even though it
was at that time because we're going
according to the number that holds
but at the same time it was technically
I can't exclude it from the fact that
it's any
that's why I have to come on to the
same is true for the
you're right that's happens at the
moment it's born and we're going like
the holds
but at the same time it was considered
when it was in Uber at when it was in
its mother's womb. That's something that
happened before the so technically
speaking it was first
afterwards it got
until it's born. So you have again so
on something that was once
and says the not going to be a problem
of it's excluded from the because of the
fact that it's not
either way. And the mission continued
and the Mishna brought
between and in three cases three
examples of which are excluded from the
parish of simply because the apostle
lack but at the same time there's a shim
shim says that even though you don't
have the real parish of in the sense
that it should be
but at the same time there's still going
to be a for somebody that goes and shs
this animal what were the three examples
the first one was so somebody's
is what about a m what if the mum is a
transient m. It's something that's
temporary. So right now the animal has a
but it's going to heal and eventually
the m is going to go away. say you're
excluded. Says says you're going to be
another example was
you have a bird that's that's very it's
a it's not old enough yet to be brought
as a it's possible you're not going to
have the says that even though you have
the real but you're still going to have
the third case was we know that
you're not let the mother and its child
on the same day. So what would be if
somebody has a carbon someone was mish
animal and this animal's mother had been
that day I'm not the animal that day
because there's a problem of
so I have to wait until tomorrow it's
not the end of the world the question is
what if I go today and I
was today if it's not
again it's the same says in that case so
has three cases where he says that even
though You don't have the of but at the
same time a lot you're going to have a
new which will be the topic of the d now
but there's going to be a what are the
three cases
and what are the three things have in
common
three things they're all that are going
to pass so it's going to pass
not old enough okay it's going to get
cut and here and then today it's an
issue
but tomorrow is another day tomorrow. So
anytime there's an issue there's that's
related to
even though right now it's possible so
being that it's not
whatever is right now it can't be but
that it's something that's going to
pass. So it's for that reason there's
still going to be says
I hear what's the however
in the following it says
and then the continues and says so the
context is talking to the you're going
to go into
and you're going to build the Mishkan
init and when you build the Mishkan init
you're going to be able to bring
carbonis but at the same time you cannot
bring
rather
says the so you need all three again
there's three but we need all because we
only had the by I would have thought
something that's being that it's for
that reason it's so removed from
say you don't even got to laugh the more
removed it is from being able to bring
it as a carbon so the less you're going
to be the more it's not really love. So
over there there's not going to be a
say. You know why? Because it's it's
something that's
so it's it's just it's some not only is
but let's say that too young
it's not
at the very least you'll have a license.
had you only had the case of I would
have thought
but the moment which was once
I would think that maybe over
that being that it was pushed away from
that's worse right
that you have something that was worse
than something that was so that was once
now that now it was pushed away maybe
says it's so not you're not even going
to have the say that's why you need
Those two cas
I would have thought those are that are
in the in one case the the bird is too
young in the other case it has a
physical
but over there the m is not part of the
animal
I would think that over there maybe
says the it's for that reason I need to
have this in all three cases either way
has this new so the question is where in
the world did get this from? It's not in
it's not in parak. So the question is
where did get this? So the truth is
before we see this next just a little
bit of a so one of the topics of this
week is going to be the laws of balm. So
really the sugis of basis are over here
in in per that's what the sugis of bumas
are. So just to have a little bit of a
of an appreciation and again hopefully
we'll we'll learn a few data together
this week. So we'll have a we'll have an
opportunity to go through some of the
sugis of of bness. But it's just kadai
to understand the history a little bit
and that is that the yidden had three
tuf of basiktod in our history. We had
the tufa of mishk then we had bias rish
and then we had baseni. So the first
basik stood for 410 years. The second
basik stood for 420 years. The mishkan
stood sak for 479 years. The Mishko was
built in the second year after Yidden
had left Mit. So it was there for the 39
years that the Yidden were in the
Midbar. When the Yidden came in terish
was erected in Gilgal. It remained there
for 14 years. The Chevakov and the
Chevulk till everything settled down. It
went home. Everything worked itself out.
But for those 14 years, the Mishkan was
in Gilgal. After the Mishkan was in
Gilgal, it went to Chile. And it was in
Chile for 369 years. That's a very long
time was
yeah's crying on but but crying on this
was Mishkanile talks about why
Mishkanile was hopefully we'll be able
to speak out a little bit about Mishkan
Chile this week but Mishkanil was a very
big deal it gets lost in history we we
cry so much about
we don't know that much about butil was
a big 369 years a lot of time and for
369 years the Mishkun was in Sheila
Right. The Mishkan then went to No. It
was in for a short period of time. Then
of course and David and and Shaw because
the
were perceived to have been giving uh
some safe harbor for David who at the
time was a refugee. He was running away
from and
that's what goes down as one of the
people that have no
and ends up killing
and it was a it was a terrible time in
history and that was the end of so after
the Mishk went from to was in and for 57
years. So it was in the midbra for 39
years and then 14 years in Gilgal, 369
years in Chile and between no and Gwine
another another 57 years. But if you add
it up together, you do the back of the
envelope arithmetic it comes out to 479.
In the beginning of par's he brings from
a himself refers to this as a he says
he says that you want a rem these again
was 410 years was 420 years the mishkun
was 479 years the beginning of parish so
parishes is the summation of
the begins
mishk is gamatri of 410. That's vice
hamish is a gamatri of 415. It's 410
plus the hey which is 415. If you count
the hey
it's 420. Why would the say 420 by 415
plus the five just say 420 says to the
days where the Gar says there were five
things that were lacking in that we had
during and that's why it's mentioned so
to speak as a to
is written in the you know why
is 479
this is the summary this is The synopsis
of
in that first pulsing there's a
mishk that's 410 that's connected
mishk is 415 plus 5 it's 420 it's
connected
is 479 that's
a fell either way so the mishna already
discussed a little bit during these kuf
was a person allowed to bring a carbon
on a bummer or was a person not allowed
to bring a carbon on a bomb Again, it's
going to come up during the course of
the week and this is not really the time
for it. But we know that actually hooks
that the Mishna said you for sure will
allow to bring a carbon on on Obama.
Then when the year they were in Gilgal
during those 14 years there was also a
heterbasis during Mishkan Sheila there
was an isser
and everything because again hopefully
we got to this this week as we get as
well but you know his whole patent to go
bring a carbon. So the first question
was
today right do you have
you don't have
that's why the says if somebody goes
today under it's fine because there's no
said that whether or not you can even
bring a carbon says right according to
the you have So there's what to talk
about going to the it's dead on arrival
but it's not true because it you don't
have
and there's no what should be this
what's the source of the iss
bring the carbonus into the mikdash so
there there's
you have a problem but said
that there's no what's the problem then
there's no there's no
so if there's no head to he could bring
it he says either you're bringing it
but what's my downside we're hedged
either way you go you're safe but it's
really
already told they went back and forth
so we'll see if we have time maybe at
the end of the week because that's
really where it comes up really more at
the end of the Maybe we'll go into this
a little bit but regardless. So that's
just a little bit of a as it relates to
but asha for this next kumar is that the
14 years the first 14 years that the
mishk was in it was in gilgo and during
that kufa it was a very transient kufa
right a lot of the mitzvah
the weren't even yet they weren't until
they fully settled the land and they
didn't fully settle the land until after
those 14 years the shakibu and the so
during those 14 years number one it was
a balma you allowed you allowed to bring
a carbon out
Additionally, even the mishkun itself
didn't have the same dina. So for
example, the mishkun itself you were
able to bring
but you couldn't bring a carbon
of
so for example if somebody was
once upon a time you'd bring a carbonas
you couldn't bring a carbon kas in the
mishk while the mishk was in Gilgal. So
number one there was a heter bamus
that's the first kadesh while the mishk
was in in Gilg you would think if
there's a mishkan there should be an iss
during those 14 years there was a ba
number one number two even the misbeak
in the mishk which by the way is
referred to as the se what does make
what's
a bomana was your was your grill you
know you had a grill in your backyard
you was a bumakana that's what it was
your was
in was called that's what it was called
this is the misba but it was called
that's what refers I mean that's what
referred to it as so that obviously had
more than stating that while it was in
Gilgal the had limitations that even
though you able to bring it was only
so
tells You're going to go into Gilgit.
You can't do what you do now. Now you
have you're able to bring all the in the
world. But when you're going to go into
Gilgal,
you can only bring what does he mean?
You could bring the carbon.
That's another way of saying
something that you want to bring that
you'll be able to bring. But
and like we just said what does it mean
and and
as well even in the even the itself you
weren't able to bring the only you're
allowed to bring not okay so what's the
punch line the
even though when they were in Gilgal
they couldn't bring
but when they were going to go into then
already that was that was like the mikt
that was like the
then you're able to bring all the coonas
in the world you want.
So it comes out that this let's say
somebody was Makatus when they were in
Gilgo from a from a brisker perspective
how how would you look
so you look at right from how would you
look at this carbon right now somebody
says what is this is a no it's he
doesn't see a sheep he sees a man right
that's what he's looking at that you
would see it as a as a man why is it a
mus because right now I can't bring it
but I know one day the are going to be
in when the are going to be in now in
hindsight took 14 years
but in real time you didn't know that as
soon as there was no predetermined date
of 14 years it was it was totally in
whenever they were going to conquer the
land you could have it was what does the
say you're not allowed to go ahead and
you're not let it be no
for someone that's
now it's interesting this
is
if it was brought and if it was brought
right you have to cop this
was brought the says
there was a lot if you brought it in
anyway or but even if you brought in you
brought in that was in still you would
have the license but what we need is for
this line is is that if you would have
brought it you would have been so if you
would have brought you would have been
so that's mean that is because this
carbon
is
why is it because it's only now that
it's a problem but this is a transient
because eventually the Mishk is going to
be in when it's in you'll be able to
ring those carbonas so it's only pos
so to speak because of the fact that
it's man and you see there's a lab
that's knows that when somebody's
there's a what's the
brings
man.
If somebody's
inside the he getus
for this
what's the right
so the context over there says
and the is discussing if somebody brings
as a brush
so the over there says that even though
it says in the which is talking
you would think you should get malus you
don't get malus said because he has a
that
this doesn't mean which is borrowing the
term the clearly said that for you don't
get malus instead all it is is an
meaning the of which is a cl for someone
that's a mik is not referring to but is
very nice you don't have that of that
but what about this of
you should get this and again the cash
is based on the fact that it doesn't say
anywhere in
it was that if even if a person would
have brought the
in of itself even for that itself he
would have been
is using it for but says it's true for
as well
why is it that if somebody would have
brought
is he doesn't get malus and you don't
get malus for that that's also not for
us
but what happened to this of
is very simple
maybe going to we're going to sh meaning
maybe according to shim you would get
who's the one that said that you get
this is all
according to shim if the is that over It
would be true for and every
is going to argue with our
he said a different
why do you want to tell me that the love
of
true because it's even if you would have
done
you still would have been so you see
even if it's with him says no gap
is like see even if somebody it's true
the love would be True for somebody that
brought it in the in the of Gilgal and
from a Gilgal perspective you brought up
but relative to Shilo the Pim of Gilgal
was viewed as because the the kadusha
when the Mishka was in Gilgal pald in
comparison to what it was when it was in
those 40 years was different we said
even under weren't able to bring the
see it was different it's as if it was
so you don't have a anywhere that if
it's really
is you would get said from somewhere
else that the is not that of
but rather it's a different
himself already said it in a
say how do you know if somebody shacked
a carbon
so it's a carbon
and you know you get a say it says
He says
I would think maybe even you should have
the same would bring a carbon
that's
when it's all the
when
you have all that going when it's
connecting that's when you have this say
but otherwise says
What's this refer to?
Are we talking about it was again the
ratio of the says if somebody carbon
is you get say when did you sh did you
do meaningf
that's the time you're supposed to bring
the carbon
why do you only get
this is 101 you're bringing a carbon
at a time when you were supposed to
bring
is what what else is that is what is
it's to bring the carbon It's a
you brought the carbon
it's why is it only
it's
must be talking about you brought it
before so why are you
before
but what are you
say
who said this said it this is the same
who A that says that teaches me that if
you bring the carbon
holds that every way it's not only the
carbon he held that this of
and it teaches me all whether it's
whether it's
whether it's where I have to wait until
tomorrow anytime there's a
being that it's just going to pass. So
we look at it different than an ordinary
and as a result what's as a result you
going to get what's the
very says no tell you maybe that's not
in the description and it's not then
what's in this so this is talking about
what was the
iss Why is it only
that sounds good?
How can you tell me the price said? So
the Gmorra says
we mean it was but what kind of carbonas
were you allowed to bring on Obama? Not
all carbonas about right. So you only
able to bring the Dharm adults but a
carbon you weren't allowed to bring on.
So what happens if somebody brought a
carbon on interesting right it's not
applicable today but let's say somebody
would have and he would decide he's
bringing a carbon ask what happens
that's what this price was addressed
somebody bought a carbon
not
but it was in the sense that it was to
bring the carbon why would it be awesome
to bring carbon because it's a carbon
you're only allow had to bring a carbon
of you now went ahead and you brought a
carbon
but has nothing to do with
as a result it has nothing to do with
and now
that says even though it's not
so where's the from
anywhere it's a
that we need to to go through to extract
It's either
from the fact that when they were in
Gilgal were not allowed to bring
and if they brought they were
every
during the time they were in Gilgal was
because as soon as they were going to go
to which could have happened any day
it could have happened any day. it
already would have been right and still
you see there was a
for
alternatively it's
where the one side thinks it's referring
to somebody that brings
so the is that being that it's not a
regular cars but at the same time you
have a
And as a result, you see again this that
even though it's not royal love by now,
but being that it's merely it's for that
reason, but you're still going to have
just a drop. So the Mishna went ahead
and the Mishna mentioned there's two
types of so with something wrong with
the carbon and then there could be a
something wrong with the carbon. The
said is
the mission gave examples simple
examples.
They will not
the step after. Why? Because these are
they can't bring the right now because
they're still
and they have to wait until they finish
counting till they'll be able to bring
it. It's not really lovely as a result.
But the and the mean that they could be
brought
it's for that reason it's considered if
it's
ask a very technical question and that
is
who in this list is to bring a carbon
we mentioned over here.
Oh very good for the
insert. So apparently the were the ones
that included the word mitz because when
sat down to read this gar they didn't
have ms. So they obviously were the ones
that inserted the ms you'll see the gar
is going to mention in a second.
So and have to bring who brings the
which one of them brings the none of
them
even doesn't bring the who brings the
include and brings
says the
edit they include it in the that's why
our says
like but is edit they didn't include in
the Mishna that's why even Our Mishna
says mits. Our mission doesn't say