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Today's daf is
and we are at the Mishna 13 lines from
the bottom of kiml
today's being learned as
and
so the topic of
the first part of today's dath we'll get
to the topic of the second part of
today's daf later but
The former part of the DAFF is going to
discuss the idea that when a carbon was
brought, one of the benefits that the
Khanim got from the carbon was the they
got the skin. They got the hide of the
animal. Now, in order for the khanim to
be able to have ho from the of a carbon,
the carbon required a proper z. So we
know that the icer avoid of a carbon was
the zria. We also know that the zika
wore many hats. The was the maratza. The
also was the matter. What was a matter?
It was matter.
It was also matter the
so the khan were entitled to the but
like the rest of the carbon it's off
limits unless certain avoid were done in
the case of the it's like the baser it's
like the it required a proper if there
was a proper now the khanim are allowed
to have han from the if not they would
not be allowed to have han from the in
fact the of the carbon before was
subject to the laws of ma like every
carbon is subject to but the point is
goes to the kayan it only goes to the
kahanim in the event that there was a
proper our mishna and really the first
half of today's daf is going to discuss
what would be if a carbon was brought
and the buser of the carbon became tame
or the buser of the carbon became ple
right now the buser of the carbon can't
be eaten the buser of carbon can't be
put on the muzz. Does that impact the or
does that not impact the R? And again,
in the event that the carbon became
puzzle in a way where you couldn't do a
proper Z, of course it impacts the R
because if you don't have a proper Z,
the R is never becoming M. The question
is where there was a proper ZA or there
could be a proper ZA but the buser of
the carbon right now is pulle. Does that
in it of itself say that oh if the
bosser of the carbon is plea the r is
going to be ple or the r at the very
least will be off limits to the or not
that is what our mishna is going to
address and really that is the topic of
the very first part of today's so on
that note
all that became possible
before the
was done to the carbon meaning before
the skinned the off the actual carbon in
the is that now that the isle being that
you didn't do the ha yet the itself is
going to be ple the khan are not going
to be z in the to be clear even if there
was a proper that was done later it
doesn't matter the fact that the buser
the kum itself became ple before the
that in of itself is a reason that the
should belong to the
If however
the ka became possible after the hea was
already done. So now the is on an island
of on its own meaning it's a separate
entity over there
is that even though the became possible
again as long as there's a proper that's
going to take place that would be enough
for the earth to be able to belong to
the
so we know
was a perennial
we also know that he served for many
many years even decades in the B mikdash
and he was an eyewitness to a lot of the
sugas that are discussed in Kachum. So
very often there's a big lumb and says
listen I don't know all your misus I can
tell you what I saw with my own two eyes
I was there
so this is an example
said listen all my days that I spent in
the mik I never saw
I never saw the say oh this needs to be
burned because this is possible the is
going to clarify very much what meant
the one clarification that He speaks out
in the Mishna
was talking about that was already
hooshot. So he was sort of agreeing with
what the Mishna is saying that once the
was hoosh at that point even though
sometimes carbon has become possible but
I never saw of that had heft where now
we say that this needs to be burnt
because this is possible. I'm heard and
he said I'll tell you an extra that I
hear from the words
and that is
in the event that a did he specifically
on a and he found out that the was a so
very often you don't know if an animal
is a tra until the very end of the story
right think of a today in the shack the
animal then you start checking for
different tra
often you don't know until after the
fact said that from we can infer that if
a would be And he would find out after
the that this animal was a
that theim are allowed to benefit from
the art. Meaning if they found out that
it was a tra after the heshet even
though and here's the punch line when
they found out it was a traer they
realized that
before the he already was possible
because if it was a tra didn't become a
after the it's something that was
already there but
said I never saw that was that was
well then that would seem to be True.
Even if it was after the he that
this carbon already had absolved. Now
why is talking about
it's making a nice observation. He's
saying
I never saw that was that was it would
seem even if the
that was
really that was that the was always
possible. I hear it's very nice but it
can be true for an
like why are we talking specifically
about the is going to address it either
way
said with regards to Adams
if somebody says I saw something happen
that's a right that's testimony that's
admissible in court but if somebody says
I didn't see it that's in it of itself
not a maybe you didn't see it because
punk it never happened when you were
there or maybe you missed it the point
is to say that I saw something is
the describes as
right he saw it. So if you see something
you can testify about what you saw but
is coming with
that would be a you can't admit
testimony into the court of this debate
because what he said was not something
that he saw was something that he didn't
see. Ella the hold that in the event
that
would somehow become possible even after
half or if the
carbon would become possible even after
there is an idea that at times it would
be again a lot more about this Mishna in
the gar. So what was the first of the
The simple reading of the Mishna seems
to be that in the event that you have
where the now is poss
if the soul happened then we just
clarified one thing that in the event
that the was such that this now is not
going to be a it's always going to be
we're talking about where it's that
doesn't affect the dam it doesn't affect
the so it affects let's say the buser
we're all the buser of the carbon now
became the question is does that impact
the does that not impact the art it
depends if the he was done already then
not if it was done if the happened
before the was done then
it's going to affect The R the Gmorra
now is going to begin by quoting an
excerpt from the previous Mishna that we
learned the Mishna on the top of
and the Gur is going to ask what it
thinks is a steer between the two. So
let's just turn the page backwards for
one second. The previous Mishna had said
brings a car from a to this that says
that anytime the is not going to be you
have a carbon where there's no of this
of the carbon that's going to be able to
go on the
What does it sound like the Mishna is
saying? It sounds like the Mishna is
saying that if you have a carbon that's
ple the baser is ple and you can't put
the baser on the misbeh that in of
itself is a reason that the should be
off limits and the shouldn't be now the
mishna did not differentiate between
whether the half happened at the time
that the buster became problematic or
the shade did not happen it sounds like
in all cases it's going to be an issue
which means that at first glance it
would seem to contradict of our seems to
be
It's only
the previous seems to be saying
anytime is not
and it doesn't seem to make between
whether it was before the that this
issue occurred or whether it was after
the issue that this issue occurred that
Bal is what we're going to see now in a
venic is the gar first kasha cult was
that was the
and it sounds like even if the happened
before this mean even if you did the
heft already it doesn't matter the
bottom line is if it was
then
who must the of the be
it must be the
now we're going to see this in greater
detail on
but for now The Gammorra just quotes his
and that is
that the which again does a lot of
things included in which is it has the
ability to be the but it's not
to the extent that there's no that's
becoming
so the doesn't have the ability to be
the as well. So the Mishna that says
even if you did the [ __ ] already
that right now you don't have that in it
of itself makes it that the should be
off limits sounds very consistent with
that said that
in order for the to be you also have to
have you could only have from the in the
event that there's
So
very good to the extent that you need to
have the and you need to have the to the
extent that
you're not going to get the either look
at the
seems to say not that way our says that
once you do the even if the bus becomes
issue it doesn't matter
that would seem to work according
So who's Rebi? He's
in that we're going to see later again.
Now the just brings his who holds
that could be
so what's the
right we just asked it as a regular but
the is putting names to the faces the
says the ratio of the seems to be going
the seems to be going what's going on
over here. said to answer this theory of
the Gumar is going to bring two mahalim
from two that are often quoted in shaya
and respectively
said let me tell you how you make peace
between the two half of the ratio of the
Mishna and the of the said I'm going to
work backwards
from the fact that the
second Mishna is for sure because you
see clearly that in the event that there
was a het that was done then if the
carbon became
so
if that part of the fish is then I think
the ratio is also what was the problem
with the ratio said
it sounds like
it sounds like that if right now the is
a problem so the is not going to be in
the even if you did a heft shade already
at that point the is not going to be to
the kayan says really it stems with the
safe of the Mishna its with
however
so what does this means is a very
important rash because it's very easy to
read this the wrong way
means that the der was not to do the
half shade before the derk always was to
do the half shade after the zo that was
the way it was done. It was considered
to be the more proper way of doing it.
Rashi says being that the was always
done after that's why the Mishna spoke
in a very emphatic way
but to the extent that the was already
done to the extent that the was already
done and now the would become a problem
even though it's
true but at the same time
so why are you saying it in a misleading
way which makes it sound like
even if the was already done because the
reality is in almost all cases the ha
wasn't done and being that in almost all
cases the ha wasn't done so it's for
that reason we say it in a way that
might sound a little bit misleading but
it's okay to say it that way because at
the end of the day if you want to be
practical which the Mishna were so this
is a very practical Mishna because
usually the hesh is not going to be done
before this and to the extent that's the
case the True statement cult
in fact explain that
understanding it's very what the second
mission is coming to say what the second
Mishna is coming to say is really a
clarification of the first Mishna mean
the first Mishna rule culturally
and that's true because in almost all
cases the shit's not going to be done
before this but it does sound a little
bit like maybe in all cases taka even if
the [ __ ] was done before this reco
on that the second Mishna comes to say
don't make that mistake
even though in the previous mission it
sounded a little bit like is not going
to be no saying they're going to be but
the bottom line is according to the two
are going according to the real is the
second Mishna the first Mishna is t a
little bit misleading it was presented
in the way it was presented because
that's usually the way that it was done
rama
said just the opposite. He said being
that the ratio the sounds like it's
I think that means that the also is
going according
the ratio is
that holds
and that's why the first Mishna said
because the ispel
you can't do
Now even it doesn't matter because you
need to be m and
as a result it's not going to be okay
and if that's what that held then that's
what our mission holds as well. Now what
do you mean our
but if the buser became a problem it
sounds like you can go ahead and you
could do this and
if
so how do you make sense of the second
Mishna says you have to do a little bit
of an edit in terms of the t of how you
read the Mishna
When the Mishna distinguishes between
it doesn't mean literally did I do the
did I not do the we don't care about
that what we care about is
or
what we care about is was the done or
was the not done how does the become or
not it's very simple because the heit
was usually done like we said earlier
like Abaya said after this. So if it was
that would mean that this was already
done. If it wasn't
that would mean that this was not done.
And essentially then what this Mishna is
saying the way Ra understands it in the
world of is as follows
that became
what's the left before it was before
this so it became before there was
that the is not going to belong to and
the reason is like the Mishna said
culturally
Because being that the buser became a
problem and it became a problem before
the
so that means that the was never in the
buser right if there was never a to be
the so then by definition it wasn't if
it wasn't is going to be off limits as
well it's the next part of the
if however the k became ple not after
the physical but after it became royal
it became
if it became
and you want to know why because now it
stems with the first because the first
was cult
over here being that the became possible
after this well at the moment this was
done was already that was already
at that point it the
once at that
It's going to be okay. The bottom line
is at first glance it sounded like we
have a steer between two
is pretty clear. There is a between
specifically the said that this should
be told and it sounds like
the had two. The first was abaya abaya
worked backwards. He said that if the
safi the races rebi meaning both Mishnay
are really going according to rebi and
according to rebi once you do the hee at
that point I don't care if the is not
being
but the reality is the was almost never
done before this anyways and it's for
that reason you can go ahead and you can
say coach
but if the was done before then is going
to be like our said that both are going
the
shim and if that's the case you're right
itself makes no difference it's neither
here nor there I our Mishna seems to be
talking about he it doesn't mean it
means and again based on the same
principle that the he was usually done
and what our saying is is to the extent
that it became problematic
well then like in the previous mission
was never
if however it became a problem
was if it was going to be. So again this
first discussion of the was in aim and
we just quoted the of
that was but the the broader and the
source of the which is something the is
going to quote right now says
what is this and what's going to said
in the event that the
of an animal was already skinned off the
boss. The dam has the ability to be
Miratza on the R. That's number one.
Number two, I don't care if the boss
becomes possible. That would affect the
dam's ability to be ma. But as it
relates to the R, it's going to be the R
anyways.
Let's say the R is attached to the
if the becomes possible.
I don't care if this was done or it
wasn't done. Meaning it doesn't matter
when it became possible.
The is always going to take on the
status of the baser. So two things reb
saying number one the
even if the baser becomes number two
when the is attached to the baser it
always takes on the status of the baser
so that if the baser becomes a problem
even I don't care if the is attached to
the always has the dinner of the now
which part of this were we focusing on
in the first part
you see has ability to be even if
there's no bos that's becoming but two
things. He said regarding when the dam
when the and the are separate. He said
with regards to whether the and the are
together
said
it's the first thing he said. No to be m
if it's not attached to the and you're
not being any then there's no of the
being.
What about when the dam is or when the
is together with the so he says
differently than
If the boss became possible before
then the is going to have the boss. If
however the boss became possible after
then the isser
being that the became. So you can now be
the
and you can give the to the
on what he said in the on what he said
in the with regards to what Rebi said in
the ratio that the D is
holds the D is not on the and that was
the we quoted up until this point with
regards to he said that when the and the
are whatever happens to the buser
automatically affects
And it doesn't matter
on that as well says that once it was
already
then even if the became a problem it
doesn't affect go ahead and give it to
the and by the way even though until now
was that is actually so is on both
things that said the first thing is said
holds it's not the second thing is
Rebi said that if the and the together
whatever happens to the always will
affect
that's actually not going to be the
case. But again which part of this did
we need? It's the first part this is
whether the is
or not said it is
said it's not. So let's just take a deep
breath for one second. So we have a rebi
you have a carbon. The carbon is made up
of different components. The buster of
the carbon became possible. The R is not
the coen's ready to do this
which ultimately would have the ability
to be mad. Now that's not the purpose of
the but it is one of the fringe benefits
of the that now are going to be in the
question is the fact that you don't have
does that impact the ability of the dam
to be and allow the now to be okay or
does it not according to
I don't care that the buster is not good
according to
and
is going like
is it going like
he's a very important in terms of even
learning the per so the is going to
suggest that at first glance it would
seem a little bit like maybe this
between
has to do with another a way more famous
in the sukis of kachum that's misus and
that's the mus of whether we say or dam
or just because
there is so just to speak out
that
if you have a carbon that doesn't have a
kazer whether it's or whether it's the
one of them this is not a meaning it
will not have the ability to be period
you'll have to bring a new carpet if you
were
and you're bringing to gets you don't
have you have to bring another in order
to work that out. That's the
holds that it's true,
right? You need the dam to be maser. But
in the reverse, the same ain't baser a
dam. There's no such
condition. You can have dam without
having baser. At first glance, wouldn't
you think this
rebi is a little bit tall in that mus?
Why? If you hold him ain't bosser ain't
damn then obviously the dam can't be
Moratza on the earth because the
boser is a tai in a kasher
and you need the kashria to be mirata on
the art. You would think that at first
glance this whole shila can only start
maybe if you hold like rebel that whole
still is say it's the coming
but the says that if we're going to
drill down now a little deeper and try
to understand this
we have no choice but we have to bring
this
and we have to see how exactly these two
intersect and this is the of The last
part of this uh part of the gumar says
at first glance it would seem fair to
suggest that maybe this is between
ishu.
So what's that? So it says in the
now the in total reads as follows.
So says do
what does it mean?
says the garbishu
said from the juxiposition
between baser and dam from the fact that
the terror says what does it mean bring
the carbon baser and dam you know what
you see from here that are tied to each
other by the hip
I see from here
that everybody knows but so
a carbon has to be and if you don't have
the carbon's going to be bos so if you
don't have dam forget about the boser if
you don't have a kazay boser forget
about the dam is what says no
I agree but you can have dam even if
there's no you know I know that from the
safe of the same
so in as much as the ratio of the seem
to put together the dam the safe of the
is just talking about the dam
said what about this heckish this
juxiposition between and if I don't
agree
So what is the putting those two things
together for
that? Just like how did the get on the
used to throw the db literally. So too
had the bus get he would throw it. He
didn't just place it nicely. He didn't
hand it off. He actually threw it onto
the
you know what you see from here.
You see there was a little bit of space
on the top of the mb between the ramp
and between the mbah itself and the
bottom line is is that's why the put it
together but what do you see from here
the we just spoke at a minute ago that
we already knew whether we say we don't
say okay so what does it have to do with
our speaks to that
would seem fair to say that holds that
even if the boss is posit that that is
he holds there's
So that you don't need boss in order to
have. So the fact that there's no boss
doesn't impact this once I have
that holds in
because he holds that once there's no
the whole carbon is possible. The whole
dam is possible. If the diamond then
it's not going to be sounds like a good
leave the rebel has it could be a coin
rebel that holds that there's no tonight
could be there's going to be no what do
you mean there's going to be no
everybody's going to hold the dam is on
because it could be if there's no of
a dam so then there's no reason to say
that you could only be on the or if it's
on the boss if the bosser affects the ro
so I understand
But if it doesn't cuz you hold like
rebel the dam is going to be then
there's no reason it shouldn't be so
I'll leave the rebel that there's no of
a main and the dam even has the ability
to do everything that it needs to do in
terms of the
then certainly
could be the
was in the world of
household
that holds is not
that.
So being that the dam is not going to be
so it's not going to be either
whereas who holds that the dam could be
he could say is even according to now
this is a huge right think about this
for a secondhu hold that means the dam
is not being if it's not being how is it
being right being you would think is
like a fringe benefit if it's not being
how in the world is it being mart the
answer is going to tell you is falsehu
awesome Even though holder in it could
be that's
as it relates to
the lack of where there's no to the
meaning when says
and as a result the carbon is a possible
carbon do the lose as a result of that
no who loses the balakarbon loses he has
to bring another carbon right now right
he has to bring another carbon so being
that all it does is affect the bin it
doesn't affect
It could be it's over there that says
but to the extent they have sitting over
here and by you saying now
that the is not going to be going to
lose
maybe in that case would be
so says could be even that holds
you'd say for sure how could the bear no
I don't know if it's a boss
means it can't be for the but
which is what not being on the iss
that gets the maybe over there it's
going to be different now you need a
little bit of a precedent for this right
you can't just say such maybe is only
it's not
I'll show you the president I'm going to
show you the weakness in Rabbishua's
position. I'm going to show you that as
much as Rab Yeshua is famous for the
main, he didn't mean it as much as
people think he meant it. You know why?
You see it from the and it's really
based on the right gear says
what would be if you have a carbon that
has baser but it became or became
the
right says who cares this
who holds that even though there's a so
the fact that you have it and it's
ple that doesn't affect it says
this is also
Rabu holds that if there's no there's no
dam if it becomes ple also there's going
to be no damu
is in the event this is very nuance that
you have the bas you physically have but
it's
and you went ahead and you did this
then it's going to be so as much as a
sheet of
also holds that there is a time that
when is that it's where you have the but
it's problematic to be clear if you
don't have the boser at all even holds
it's when you have the baser
something happened to it and you went
ahead and you did this then
it's going to it's going to be said rebi
you know what I see from Rabbi Yeshua
that as much as Rabbi Yeshua holds a
main boss doesn't always hold the main
boss it's not like game over this is the
way it is I don't want to hear another
word no there's
there's there's to say that even though
there's again what's the mart to that
because when you have the baser but it's
problematic which is essentially an
you went ahead and you did this in that
instance it's going to be okay well if
that's the case as reb
even further and mock to say that
where I have sitting over here and by
saying
now not only is the bum going to lose
out they're going to have to bring
another carbon but the also going to
lose out they're going to lose out on
the or it could be
it could be there's no
and that's why he says I said my
even though you would think I'll leave
it's dead on arrival. this idea of rebi
because if a boss what's the haban that
the dam could go and the dam could be on
the ter is it's not dead on arrival
because you see never said it as much as
we think he said it and just like
there's a ka with the busers there but
it's problematic
as it relates to the as well now a lot
of speak out that even rebi
only is saying
that with There's no boss the dam will
be
meaning
where the isming with Yeshua and the
garra is saying that to
be able to rebu because you see hold
that is a time of
but that whole time is only a case it's
where you have it
was I'd say
it's going to be okay so so But one
second you love him and you only have a
in a situation you can't go ahead and
say where there's no so you're not going
to get but let's go ahead and do
it's only in a situation where you did
this already even though technically
really we should say but just like there
is a mus of getting a so to there will
be a mus of you're going to
as well. Either way, the Gomorrah had
suggested that at first glance this is
whether or not this could be
shouldn't that be telling the is between
if you hold that there's a
okay so the is regular let it be as well
if you hold
then the is not a good how should it be
able to be and what the came out the
maso was that
in the world of reb Everybody would
agree that if it's
the between was in the world of
anyways in most sugi
there
Because could be by by saying
is going to be then could be in such a
situation never said this and the way
could be that's only true if he went
ahead and he did it but to say you can
go ahead and do this for the
oh okay we're not ready to exile yet. So
going back to the Mishna. So the Mishna
had said
if the became possible after shade then
even though the isle now it doesn't
matter
is going to belong to the
said I never saw that was
commented on that he
that if someone's and he finds out that
it was a tra even though the tra is that
the animal always had so it's a that was
after but it's a glo I'm afraid that it
was always there well the is that it's
going to belong to the where did say
Then
is saying that I never saw that was that
was
what do you mean what would happen if
the was and then you found that was
already there I never saw that either oh
must be must be that in all situations
that's way it's going to be said
number one and number two
in that last case where you found later
and it's a that was always there in that
situation It's going to be
now is going to do a few things. Number
one, it's going to clarify exactly where
said what was this
or some of which we already spoke out.
The is also going to explain what was
inferring from
and then we're going to try to figure
out who do we ask like do we ask like
or do we pass like that said?
That's all going to happen in these next
10 lines of
If you take his words at face value,
which we didn't, we already explained it
a little bit. But if you would take his
words at face value,
I never saw go into the what about the
sobas
that were brought where the den was that
you had to take the
and you had to burn them and you had to
burn them on the base, right? as opposed
to eating it and as opposed to doing a
regular
they used to go to the and they were
burnt and they were burnt together with
their
say that
what about the
I'm not talking about
there there's a mitzvah to go ahead and
burn I'm talking about that was that
type of r which was burnt by the way
we're going to see in
ended off on a different
that is what I was referring to. But the
says
I never saw or burnt in the B. Oh,
that's possible. Okay. What do you mean?
What if it became possible before the
What became possible before this
for sure? You're going to go ahead and
you're going to burn it.
He's talking about where it was already
stripped. where there was already a heft
done in a situation like that. That's
where it's neg which is what we had
spoken at the Rash had quoted this part
of the he means where there was a he now
I never saw the
what would be if the was done and before
the what would be if the was done and
you went before the it became possible
in that situation for sure the is going
to be a problem right for sure you need
a
in order to be mounted. That was the
first thing we spoke at in today's d you
need a to be mounted the ar if you don't
have a culture then it's going to be an
issue. So what would be if the became a
problem that's became taught after the
before the and and according to the hold
right this cash is only a cash according
to that holds that the dam is not on the
and being that the d is not on the in
the event that the carbon became ple
in the event that the carbon became ple
after the hesh then it would be a
problem. So says
like what does hold that in the event
that it became a problem after
it could be that really
was
that the
never happened before this again it
could have happened before this reco but
it never happened before this reco and
being that it never happened before this
reco so you can't
said that
there was yeah but it's not going to
happen and being that it's not going to
happen in the
he's saying he never saw a situation
like that take place
what about a situation where there was a
hit that was done and then there was a
soul that was found but the soul was a
soul that was megala that the animal
always had this in a situation like that
then for sure you would think that has
to be
held that even if the was after the was
such that it was that the was always
there still that is it's going to be and
I'll prove it to you because the say
that
said it from the words of we
It's exactly what said
made this inference
must be even in a situation where the
was it doesn't matter still they weren't
going to be but the says
what was
Right.
Obviously, it's right.
So the says how come I'll tell you
because if you look carefully words and
we made this when we read the
said
why was he talking about aar dart licked
the schistle to understand what exactly
the is the of is that as it relates to a
bar a bal
the is
going to be that if it was trade
am I going to be able to have now what
is the background to this so was a
regular carbon the had to bring it as a
carbon
was allowed now you needed a mask that
the was a but once a professional paskin
that it was a mum at that point the was
allowed to have enough from it stating
that until the the
still had a certain level of so for
example you can't just have enough from
it the however was similar to a regular
carbon regular carbon is also you have
to do
this
obviously not doing right but at the
very least a prop you would have to do
and the proper would go ahead and would
be m what would be if a had a he did
Would
we say that the was still a good
or would we say being that now
that it was it was never good? What was
saying is that just like it's
that in the event that you went ahead
and you did the and then you found out
that it was a
is going to be okay. So too as it
relates to
where it's not totally in here it's
totally in that if you did of we don't
look at it as if as if it just died so
the is going to be the
so you're right the fact that n's
after the
and for that you didn't need
the has to be a leap of faith it is a
leap of faith. The leap of faith is that
just like it's true for
it's going to be true for
says
is like this inference of
and then he added he said one only said
it when the
if it wasn't found to be and then the
mysteriously concludes and says
which at first glance sounds like we
just contradicted ourselves.
We said
who said
then we say that what did the say in the
said I disagree that in the event that
you did a he and then you found and is
that this was always a problem well then
it's not going to be a animal which is
not like what
took out didn't just pin like it he went
and he took it a step further and now
we're
We don't even pass in like the premise
that is building is so how could it be
and this is something that the talk
about some have a different gear in the
either way moving along next much much
lighter part of today's that is the
Mishna now is going to discuss the of
the
all we need for an introduction is that
there were certain pim and certain that
were not brought like regular carbonas
but rather The buster of the carbon was
burnt on the basra. Now where exactly
the basa was topic of the rest of the d
but there was an idea that it was burnt
on the the basa. So ordinarily the baser
is eaten the murim are burnt as opposed
to where all the basar is burnt but it's
all taking place on the right all the
are being done on the that's where the
were done theim and
there all the basel none of it was eaten
all the basel was burnt but not on the
big
but rather there was a special place and
that's where the the of those carbonos
the
are synonymous with the right it's the
same the
are the
so if the is that's if the is that's the
but again
are synonymous with that we already know
what's unique about them is that the
buser is going to be burnt as opposed to
eaten And
another thing we have to know is is that
the
in the
of the
became the says they became that became
to these ideas are the background to the
rest of today's daf and to tomorrow's d
as well
in the event that they're being burned.
What does it mean that being burnt means
there's a den to go ahead and burn
which is what the is so to the extent
that you're just executing what you're
supposed to you're following orders
right so
where was the it was done on the where
was the so we'll see more about that in
the
not just that were involved in it they
became
let's say we're burning now
or we're burning any par any s any
carbon for that matter but we're doing
it not
so what does that mean it means the k
went rogue he's doing something that
he's not supposed to do no what it means
is that the carbon became or ple and
because now the carbon is in a situation
where you're not let to put it on the so
the is you have to go ahead and burn it
then when they would go ahead and burn
the carbon they didn't burn it on the
but rather
we'll see what that is
in other words, what the Mishna is
saying is that this when it comes to
burning a carbon, sometimes you're
burning the carbon because that's what
the Torah says you're supposed to do and
sometimes you're burning the carbon
because of somebody because the carbon
became possible.
Number one, when you're following
orders, when the of this carbon is to
burn, it's done on the and it's of those
that are in it. When the only reason
you're burning it is because it became a
ple really you weren't supposed to burn
it. You're burning it because it became
now when it becomes ple you are supposed
to burn it but that's because that's not
really what you were supposed to do.
Then you don't burn it on the base and
you burn it on the base. Additionally
over there it's not.
So now we're going to talk a little bit
about the
where it is. We're going to talk about
when exactly this went into effect. So
in the event that there were that were
carrying them on right they're carrying
them on poles
as soon as the people in the front
exited
even if the guys in the back didn't exit
yet
the ones in the front would be the ones
in back note until the ones in the back
also go out then they too would become
au What happens once the people in the
front and the ones in the back left?
Sounds a little redundant.
Then it is
says
just taking the
outside doesn't make anybody to you know
when you become when you actually burn
it and it's ready where the majority of
the bus are already is engulfed in this
then the goes into effect which means by
the way it's only the khan that are
involved in that that are going to
become so if one k just walked it out of
the aar He's not even going to be unless
he was involved in the actual
what happens once the buser already
decays at that point
any
final stage of the is not considered a
anymore and as a result he's not going
to be so just happened in this is going
to do what it does soar is going to
start from the following points.
The only reason you're burning the
carbon is because it's then
what is this?
There was a place on that was called it
was this place. It was a place and that
place is called that's where they used
to burn it
doesn't mean a specific place in fact
the entire bias the entiret was called
said
the I prepared I prepared for his son to
ultimately build but the entire mikt is
the beer so according to when the misha
says they would burn in the bir it's a
specific place in the mak mikt according
to No, it just means somewhere in the
mikdash, but it's actually not a
specific place.
There were three base meaning there were
three places where there were ashes.
Dash literally means ashes. Three places
that they would do from base.
There was a base that was very very big
in
kachos over there. would burn the
kadashim that became the
additionally of that became possible
for so
were burnt not in the place that you
burn at but rather in the base
inar that's the first so what was that
used for it was used for
all these things were burnt in the
there was another that wasn't in the
in the event that there was a soul that
happened to
that was burnt weird in the
that was not in that was in
when you're burning the
mean it didn't become the reason you're
burning it is because the says that's
the so that was in a third place in fact
it was
we'll see later but that was burnt
outside of the gimmel so
there were three bades
there was a badash in a badashan on the
outside of and that was
what was each one used for he went ahead
and he delineated it the base that was
in first he says it was it was very big
the base that was in that's what they
used to burn
and
where the happened now what's unique
about that so says when did they burn
everything in the base in when the den
was that this thing that right now is
being burnt is supposed to be in the
Azar. So
always is supposed to be in the Azar,
right?
If you take it out of the
butch
has a to
say
that's why if it becomes ple it too is
going to be burnt over there and the
fire also you not let it take out. So
all these things that have a that they
have to be in the if they became at that
time then they were burnt in the
in
oh once this happened already now
there's no what's the now now the den
was he was supposed to take
now it became possible so you're not
taking but at the very least his anymore
so over there this wasn't done in the
aor it was done in
And that was on the and then finally
it was this is the way in the name now
brings another version out of that a
little differently.
There were three base.
There was a big base that was in the
So what's the difference? Number one, he
includes in it.
Okay, so far it's the same.
He doesn't care if it happened before
according to
it. What matters is not whether the den
of the bosser is to be in or not but
physically where did the happen in these
cases the always happened in Dazar. If
the happened in the strafe is going to
be in as well.
Oh over there the happened be it
happened outside. If it happened outside
so now you're not bringing it back into
the so now this is going to happen on
the
and finally
in the event that happened
then it's going to be
what does that mean? It means it didn't
become false, right? That's where you're
burning the
because that's over there. You do it on
the third base that was. So, we're going
to stop here. But the bottom line is is
that what emerges is is that there were
times that the buser of the carbon had
to be burnt. They actually had to burn
it. But there in terms of when or why
they would burn the buser of a carbon,
sometimes it's because the terrorist
says that's what you're supposed to do.
That's what it says on the prescription.
You're supposed to burn this carbon.
Sometimes it's because it's possible.
Once it's possible, you can't put it on
the MB. So what they would do is they
would go ahead and they would burn it.
The Mishna already was mealic between
the two things. Number one, the location
location location of where the took
place was different. Additionally
whether the people engaged in the became
or not that was another when it came to
the
which the is to burn number one the was
done in what the mish refers to as the
base and we saw in the it was it wasn't
even wasn't just in
it had to be outside of even it had to
be completely
additionally the people engaged became
when
of the is being done simply because the
carbon is possible. So over there it
wasn't done
where was it? It was done. The Mishna
says
this place is that the entire but
regardless what we saw in the is that
even within the world of carbonus that
apostle there were two different
Badashans where were those two Badashans
one was in the Azor the other one was in
the Harabas. When did we know which one
to use? That seemed to be according to
or according to
what it was in was whether or not it
happened or
meaning when the thing became possible.
When the became possible was the den
that it had to be in the aar or was the
den that it was allowed to leave the
azar. If the den was that it had to be
in the azar then the strafe was not in
the azar. If the den was that it was
allowed to leave the Azar the was done
outside the azar according to ladies
bryo what matters is not whether the den
was to keep it in the azar or not but
physically where did it take place if it
physically happened in the aar then it
was done in the aar if physically it
happened outside of the aar then it was
done on the base and that was on the
haray the next part of the daf is
actually going to be very is going to
clear a whole bunch of different
as it relates to the param and
that we will get to ism tomorrow