Zevachim 10

Today's d is we are 17 lines from the bot of so is continuing to discuss this very long of specifically. So and are the two exceptions. Those are the two carbon that if the would bring one of the or when the carbon was brought instead of having in mind the carbon the would have in mind or instead of having in mind the true he would have in mind somebody else is that not only is this not but in fact the carbon is going to be possible had brought a mera or several membras that the great Rav said over in the name of a named Mavik and the spirit of what Mavik was saying after the Gmorrah edited Mik's me a few times was that not all were created equally specifically Maui was talking about the Naksh that he was the Yehuda brought when the brought their carbon we know that all 12 brought carbon for First 12 days after the Mishk was inaugurated straight through there were carbon. The carbonas are mentioned independently although each carbon was exactly the same over each one over and over and over again. We can probably all lane those pares we've heard them so many times. It's because the are over 12 times in in Paris. Either way, the first one that was brought was and that's known as the as the katus. Either way, what said was that even though was called the kas the says, but it was very different than an ordinary kas. An ordinary kas is kas wasn't coming to for anything. And being that it wasn't coming to for anything, it's what we would call in kachum terminology. It was like the Gomorrah says that was as well that being that this is essentially it should be like an and it could be it would impact. So two things Mik said. Number one, if a is bringing a carbon and instead of having in mind, for example, if that's what he's bringing, he had in mind so you would think he had in mind it shouldn't be a problem said no that is it's like so it's he had in mind is going to be possible. He said the opposite would be true as well if the brought a carbon and he had in mind that should be so is it would be it wouldn't be a because we know is the opposite of as it relates to you need it's only if the had in mind a person that's like this is and being that was but his that he wasn't an ordinary it was it's like he had in mind the to bring we know was cautious either way a fascinating idea that you have a katas a real that was once brought that the garra discusses here in the sug of and what the gumar seems to be saying is that that is really not treated like a it's treated like an either way more on this theme If he bring a car for somebody that ate and he had in mind that it's a for someone that ate or he had in mind that it's being brought for someone that was it's going to be if he had a minds he had a mind that he's bringing the aer brings or brings then it's going to be possible. What's the reason? Because the no and the mitz are like the they too are notapor and being that they're not we treat them in terms of the sug as an so if we treat them like an if you have that same that it's not viewed as it's viewed as so it's true when a is bringing he doesn't have to have a mind if he has a mind is despite the fact is a whole another par it's That's fine. It's still going to be. But if it's that's not even that's a game changer. That's like that's going to be bringing an ordinary and he has in mind that a person brings when he is what's unique about the tumas. So we should know that by now that's a carbon. So mean that it's a carbon it's not an ordinary. So maybe it's not the same we say that is just like so therefore it's posh it's going to be okay or maybe being that it's a different type of carbon it's not a but rather it's a carbon so maybe it's going to be considered he had a different version a different gear in how you look at He said that anytime a brings a and he has in mind a different even if it's even then it's going to be possible. It has to be his was the opposite of what we just said. We just said that Rav said that if a brings down it's going to be it's only if he has it going to be possible cuz like the says no because we look at them we look at them as but if it was a real even though it's a different it's going to be that's where kicks in and he says no you have to have in mind the exact specific that you're bringing if that's what said if your version in what R said over is right how do you understand your father's how do you understand what was wanted to know what's the with regards to so sometimes it's different and sometimes So Rabb wanted to know where does fit in like a because at the end of the day they're both or maybe being that it's as opposed to maybe you look at it as you look at it as but if you're going to tell me that every is always possible. So what was said? We have a whole different we wasn't commenting on this because there'd be no sh on this because you know what ra's was that anytime you bring a for a different it's always possible it has to be but rabbit said a different and it was regarding the other that this sh was being asked. What was that other was brought not with it was brought on behalf of someone that's why because you brought that's 101 but if you brought it on behalf of someone that's it's over there that it's going to be why is it going to be because We look at it as an so it's as if you're bringing and that's where was born on behalf of someone that has do we look at him as or do we not look at him as it is a different was never asked with regards to is no It's very very simple. The definition of kas is it has to be the same. And the minute the coin thinks for a different that automatically is going to make it possible where there's wiggle room is with regards to that's a different where it's possible if it's so then we have a more specific definition of what is if it's a different type of it's not and that's where he wasn't sure where do you place the is the looked as dum. Is it not looked at as dumi day? Either way, exhale as we are about to start a very very festy. This is a sug when you're learning yeshiva. You roll your sleeves up and you get really into it. The truth is the suga discusses primarily the laws of piggle and for us right now to get into piggle is way too premature because we barely know what piggle is. We know there's a rash of a about piggle. That's pretty much the extent of our ideas of pigle right now. So we'll go through the gumar. We'll do what we do and then in the next few weeks when we really get into the sugle we're going to refer back to this because the brisk they took major in pigle out of the gumar we're about to learn but before we learn the next gam just one that is the gammor mentioned over here the naksh so we said what was the katus that was the brought he brought it you know when the mishk was finally erected on for the First 12 days there were carbon that were brought by the each shvet brought his own carbon and the first to bring the carbon was who was the says it says if you think about it it's a little surprising that was the first to bring a card you would think who should have been the first one to bring a ruin was the so if ru was Shouldn't it have been that did it? So the asks, I want to be the first one to bring the carbon. You know why was the one who jumped into the first? He was the one that was madim. He was the one that facilitated the miracle of Yamsov more so than anybody else. He should be the first one to do it. And it's for that reason says the when it came time to bring the carbon would be the first one to jump in. He says, he says, "Read the and then the continues, right? Then the Tory goes and details exactly what the carbon was." But the first begins, you don't begin a paragraph. You don't start a story end. Right? You have to say something first. Then you can say and is being there's no this is the first day. It's the first carbon. It should have said what's the ask already and the med says there's a lot of symbolism in the but he says that maybe this why was that he was the first one to bring the carbon. It's because he was the first one to jump into the Yamsu. In other words, he made himself into a carbon. He was Mak himself on the altar of the Yamsu. He gave his life up like did. He was ready to jump. Now, he believed in the miracle, but he was the because he gave himself up as a carbon. He was willing to take that risk. There'll be another carbon that'll be to bring first. That's the car. That's the over here that's being but there's a lot of this in this as well. The love this is that even though the refers to as that was one of the carbonus that he brought in this cocktail of carbon but still that says because they're because what's unique about a carbus that it's this was a this was like in the sense that it was a gift if you go through the theim. So the says that we know that was always brought before. We had it in the D last week always comes before. It's a mission of the end of the if you read it sounds like this carbon was different. and and then afterwards the accessories. Doesn't it sound like the is being brought before the always becomes before? So why's the being brought before the he says the terret he says the dish time in the see he was dish time in the he said why is it that the always comes before the he says because the katus is like the pallet he's the attorney he's the advocate the pallet walks in front of the in front of the bz and He fardines kapor on behalf of his client. That's what the kas does. The is a that's a gift that you give the king. The gift that we give Hashem for giving us kapor. Who walks in first? The prolet and then afterwards the dire. Right? First the attorney does what he does and then you do what you do. So the kus comes before the because if you understand what the kas does and what the does it makes sense that the kas should come before the is a that's something you give at the end. So says the and that was true for an ordinary but the says it's over here the is also if over here the is also it says there's no that the should necessarily come before the because the is and the is of the and are both so now we're ready it all bets are off now we can sit down and ask ourselves should the come first or the katus come first a few reasons we can give for why the should come first number was brought every day twice. It was brought by was also more should come first said is the procla the prophet comes before the that's all true ordinarily but over here it's not that way being that over here it's different here it's going to be different but just one other and that is so we have here a big this is a very important nugget to take away from this garra and that is that there's a an idea of a carbonas that's not ordinarily you think that a was always and every time you find the katas in the you have to much a little bit to try to find the source of what exactly it's being for in this mash not that way the refers to the and the as why are they because all they are is and it's something that's really really sharp just to bring out the for one mock and that is the well-known Ramban in the parish of Nazer. So the the used to bring three carbonas. He brought a katas. He brought an and he brought a and the rabban says I understand why a naz would bring an I understand why he bring why he bring a carb. What a did the do that he has to bring a carb. So the truth is whe doesn't say this but it's obvious then it's not so he needs a for being but according to the says that what he mean is he's an aesthetic he decided he's going to be from specifically wine that could bring so he's ach So if he's ash, why in the world does he have to bring a kbakas? Let's do it. We speak this out all the time. We have a raid bite on this where the Ramban says that the reason the Nazer has to bring a kakas is not for what he did, but it's for where he's about to go. Because this nazer just showed himself, he showed the world. He showed what he's capable of. This is a person that's capable of lifting up his game to the point that he could be. He did it first for whatever exactly the kitvah of his nazir was. But he showed that he's capable of much greater things. Now when he completes his nazir says he's going back to live a mundane life not for where he's coming from but for where he's going. He once suggested that maybe that's why night right after the first thing we say is ask you just finished. What are you saying for? You're asking Hashem for forgiveness. What do you do between the what's the so he once suggested along this line that maybe the is not for what you did right now but it's for what you're going to do for where you're going. You just finished and you just showed what you're capable of like that nuzer that you had the 40 days of the that you showed what you're capable of and now what are you going to do? We do what we do. So now you're going back to live your mundane existence before that. That's the ming. What's the because every has to have a purpose. Every has to be on yesterday's theor if you thought it should be the he doesn't understand how the could that a shouldly become what it being for doesn't have to be for so he says in Islam this maybe it's similar to a that was brought to where the says But it's going to be like so you see there's a concept if you think about it of that's not says there's precedence for it maybe but is very because you think has to come here we have a whole not that way we have a that seemingly treats certain in the as so much so that if the would think would change that it's like if you think about It's even more because Rashi in the parish of twice says that the series that was brought by was brought this is by the says one line. So whatever that means but one thing I do know what it means means it's coming to me by the mashi reason. So the second Nazi brought his car he was the says why did he bring us they were you have to say that the was also right was you see it throughout the brings from was on things that you think says so you have to reconcile that idea we spoke about that on Friday in that same vein we're going to have to say the same thing with regarding was always for something that's why and the that's why in his finding things to attribute the brought they must be coming to bear says sure it was also but it's called there's between a carbon that's in its essence of such as the and a carbon that's at its essence. But even a carbon that's at its essence, there's still an element of kapar. It's an idea that we need to flesh out a little bit better. But for now, we have one of the more licious int. So what exactly is a mash's piggle? So till now we've been learning about is similar to that a's doing one of the and he had a he had a very very bad doesn't mean doesn't mean we spoke at that raid yesterday but the point is is that we're talking about is doing one of He has a bad what was his so the classic case of pigle is where he had in mind to either eat the of the carbon that he's bringing or so every carbon had to be eaten in a certain place and with a certain amount of time. So if he had a mind to eat that would trigger a piggle the carbon now becomes very very problematic. Additionally, if he had in mind to be finally if the had in mind to do the if the had in mind any one of those it's although whenever you talk about you say there's a very important difference between so has the boss or the carbon becomes pigle If a only has a mind there, it's not going to be a So the classic case of you have to internalize this is where the had a mind that was the leftover blood after the is mentions twice. It's in par and then interestingly enough it's in parad that's the parish of the carbonus the says that was the subject of the raid in yesterday's d this so the is talking about pigle the other is in par's similar ple says the in both places when it talks about says the terrorists talk about two types of and that's where we learn that if the was that or the was that should be such as that's going to trigger a stating that the basis for the gar we're about to learn is that there's another type of and that is if was doing oral and at the time that he did that he had in mind to do this so he wasn't thinking to eat what the refers to as he had in mind to do that too would trigger. Now first glance you going to tell me why is it such a if the says that the criteria from is to have in mind and what's is eating so to speak the so why should be different shouldn't also be so that's already where kicks in that's not for this morning but regardless that is true that although the given when it discusses is discusses a a pigle of and defines it as that was there's another type of piggle and that is where you're doing one and you have in mind to do a different avoid the too is considered a pickle to on at no if did the is bringing a carbon and he has in mind that the and the right now should be but at the same time at the time that he did the he had in mind that when he does this he's going to do this is that a problem or is that not a problem if he would do the that's the first he didn't do the he had in mind that this is going to be. We know we're learning a serious says it's possible because you could have if you're doing one and you have a mind to do a different with a piggle you know the mar is piggle just like piggle if you would do the have in mind to do this it could work the same way if I do this and I have a mind to do that's also going to be possible. No means when you're doing and you have a mind that should be but if you're doing and you have in mind that this should be avoid no and you can't learn from it's true you have precedent for such an idea you had in mind that's in other words we had twice recently. We know that the that were done for the Bd if somebody would do those for is that he's considered even if it's not it would be considered and as well but there's an idea if somebody does something that was considered for it's considered a problem what happens if somebody And at the time that he does the he has in mind that he's going to do an with the d of this animal that he just so if he would do this he would be that's 101 that's not what he did what this person did was heed an animal and he had him that he's going to do he's going to Is he or not? He was says also because yeah that is enough for it to be considered a what's the where do you see this idea by what does mean we learn from say it's no you don't learn from pickle it's true by pickle you have this idea to do. That's true. That's But you don't learn from the pigle. So it's the same had this regarding do we learn from and they had the same regarding do we learn do we learn from says the why do you need both regards to and with regards to it's the same do we learn from pigle do we not learn from piggle so he could have argued either by or by and I would have known one from the So the says had we only had the case I would have maybe says that he doesn't learn where you're learning maybe there is going to be had we only had the case of I would have thought maybe only says he hold from because you could learn but when it comes to that that's why we needed this in both cases again what's the sh is doing the of he has in mind but he has in mind that when he does this should be says that's the same the carbon says no says says no. What's the what would be the source to say? Isn't that the case by allig says you don't learn from came from so he reported back he said I heard which in essence is a riot and I heard which in essence is a riotunch and he explained he said as follows shouldn't be true if at the time that he does the would have in mind that the is going to be now it's a silly it doesn't even make any sense how could you have in mind while you're doing the to do whatever. But the point is if a person would do the it would be that's not but if you do this that is possible. So then certainly by where if you have a at the time that you're doing the meaning you're thinking that the I'm doing now certainly then if you have in mind that you're going to do this based on the I think is right because seems to be more than because if you have in mind to do the that you're doing. It's by if you haven't wanted to do the it's not if you haven't you could be so certainly the but said I don't understand where was the right there's an obvious you're telling me is more than pickle. I don't think is more than pickle. I could argue pickle's more calmer than how so if you eat from pickle nois when it comes to no what meant to ask the was bringing a was from but not from it was personal it's but if he at the time he's doing he has a mind that that's possible where if you have a mind that itself is possible so the same exact we're saying that is more than why it's possible as opposed to but we're not learning it from we're learning it from what did we what did we accomplish by switching from the only time there's a is where it's what we spoke out of the intro. If it's there is no is more than so certainly said I have a problem with this as well so to speak it's all carbonus it doesn't matter what carbon you bring it could be a micer any carbon that's brought the carbon becomes possible as opposed to which is only so why you assume you could have a more than this is what the was not from not from not You know what it was? It was from which is one of the two types of that passes a carbon is unique in that the only time is a problem is if the had in mind that the was one of the four if you remember from the bottom of the said that if you're thinking that the should that's enough for it to be possible. should be for the wrong carbon. That's enough for it to be but you need to think that the should be somebody else is at its essence that the wrong person should be in the so you have to thinkap and is through the so you have to be three kings. So raashi said that that was he would have so the is bringing rules and he has in mind the I'm apostle but if at the time that he does the for he has in mind when I do this I'm going to have in mind sole so where if you Have in mind that the itself should be apostle. So the is not from the was from why is more than every you could have aesh you always have to be thinking it's during any but while you're doing the in the of the you have to have so which Certainly that said was whati reported back from this was the grace when it comes to you should have said that he heard a well he said that going back to when the gumar went through all the so we had a marita we had a mar for kabala we had a marri and the gar worked out as well so says of said that I don't understand why did the have to write a couldn't it not have said that has to be I'd be able to learn it out from rashi explains I could learn from then certainly should have a what are you going to tell me so shouldn't I be able to learn now asked we're going to get to that in a moment but says so why did I need a to tell me that has to be why can't I we're going backwards right why can't I learn from The reason is it's coming to tell me that the only time is is if you had it in mind that I'm doing but if that not we're emphasizing that is considered but one of the other is So what was the grace? The right was from the fact that the terra had to tell me a parish in the first place of why can I learn it from the mads the terror is the terror coming to tell me not that I could know from the mad but emphasis on only when it's not but if in other words but the says ask number one maybe of it's not to teach me of it's just the opposite. It's a to teach me a an an added type of the Torah is telling me when it didn't have to to teach me a to teach me when there's no would it make more sense to say wrote an extra part of to tell me an additional no because if that were the case should have said nothing because once I have I could learn. So at this point I know I don't need a so if there's a can't be coming to tell me that though it's but now that we heard of it's no longer aesh it's one of you I know it it's like that's something that I know so what then must be the teach not a but rather a says the what's going to do to all this the whole thing doesn't get onto first because it's all predicated on right what was disgrace to why have to tell me from we already addressed this already said that have that doesn't have to be bit number one and number two you had just like you had as opposed that wasn't was on the mbe was that's what this was wasn't in number one and number two the was done wasn't done on the and the one that was done wasn't done they're different it's at its essence and as a result you have two so you can't learn it from there anyway so you have this this whole basis is falls by the wayside because it's all predicated this on an extra para of there's something extra. Why would you think it's extra? Because I can learn it from I can learn from. Okay. How's going to answer that? You're telling you have an extra par because I could have learned from I can't learn. He said no because where did the writ where did we learn from? Which carbon is so there's no was born since anyways wasn't born. So within the parish of the of is tunen the is not tunen it's k the oflan wasn't they had to be in so within that world of these aren't as a result he held they were so we had not says the other argued in this same as well again says some change the gear to you find throughout this idea maybe that's a smack that we mean but either way why so originally held like then he heard this He came around to the Mishna continued and the Mishna said that although the first is Very simple. Back to the envelope arithmetic. What's unique about it's also at first glance it sounds like it's a it's one of the just like you find. So to that's going to be possible as well that elaborates on I can find you and that is that when they used to spritz the D of the it was. So what does mean? We know there was a there was a that divided the misbeh and the is coming to be that mock You think you're bringing you just did a terrible reluctantly you're even walking in and they're allowing you to bring a carbon you just did something very very terrible. You know what the Tyra says? Your carbon is going to go. It's going to go on the upper part of the show because either way is brought. So maybe you see that is not a when it comes to but you can't learn from either because I hear but is Yeshua Yeshua told him the bottom line is you're not going to be able to learn it now. You can't learn it from you can't learn it from you can't learn it from you can't learn it from so the bottom line tells you're out of business you have no way of learning the stops here amazingly what should the gumar have done I mean that's the obvious thing you're supposed to is going to ask the kasha later but for now the garra says says okay let's try something else you now I know that an asham is like a that just like a puzzle so And we learn from there who we can learn apostle. So it says what's the word who what's the word I'm I'm sorry it's the word who. So has the same word who? If ash has the same word who I know it's possible. By the way, look at the topas. That's the katus is possible from the word who. We've learned a very together that brought us the would have been as simple as the word who. It wasn't that simple. It was it was quite complicated. We had it was here the seems to say it's merely the word who. So really the brought this who already earlier says but either way it boils down TO THE WORD WHO I FOUND THE same word. That's how I know that you can't compare the who that it says to the who that it says by and therefore we learn when does it say the word who by the third time the brought this in the beginning of the it says but itself is not so how could it be that is who that it says I hear because it says it by the so you'll tell me not only as well but you can't tell me That who that says by has anything to do with the worldly who and don't coexist by because the who is by and is not what was anything beyond that is not so if it's not then there's no way it's coming to teach me sob had a take three it's not from we knocked that out it's not from who that doesn't work said I'll tell you how I know that the It's not a it's not from the word who it's from a heckish. Now you can't ask me Yeshua. Now you're out of business because at this point if I have a heckish you find me nine reasons why is different than an but at the end of the day I have a heck. Now the Mishna he didn't seem to say heish. He seem to say that's why Yeshua's initial reaction to was oh you're coming from I have a but the end of the day the garra says it boils down to in the initial exchange between andua the thought was learning it from as well what did he And told him that's it. You're done. You're stuck. You can't learn it from You can't learn from what? What do you mean? Why don't we make You're going to tell me you're going to tell me that's what a isra the reason didn't go there is because knew there was a very easy out to this mahhat. It didn't even start you even have to speak out the mahhat. I mean it did now but initially the gar didn't think that it even had to speak out the theor is both and if you don't eat the pes you're so being that by and by that's why it was understood that that would never fall said what was on the initial on the initial that you want to learn this is why didn't Yeshua pick a different meaning you want to go down this road you want to find that I would have picked a different one there was and from isn't that has overshar because he was going to come back and tell you is also and that can't go but says you could had a different there's very interesting it's called the what's the if the of that was supposed to go was in the it was in the courtyard entered the that's where the was the and if it enters the becomes possible so usually when You think of and you think of the that buser that leaves its becomes that leaves becomes there's something called as well. It's counterintuitive. You would think it went to a holier place but that's not that's supposed to go into belongs in it's not let it go into the if the dam of that goes into the it's so that's over. So why didn't we say you're telling me because you're talking about that's why you didn't mention the it goes tell me the it can't go so says happens to hold that's in that also has not why do we say why do you say simple initially when you looking for oversh it's because you knew the That's not bring as well. Why do we say she came to an arbaton when the was brought to that were done in contrast to other carbon it wasn't for the thought that would answer all need for why do we say that it has to be not just four but it has to be on the four corners of the says the here but I mean the truth is we can Find all the had to be done with the with your finger. It had to be on the spits of the corner. Last time we picked one or two out of several that we could have picked and if you want to go down this road there are others that we could have said a little bit more Yeshua said and that was why rebel couldn't learn it simply from but rather he had to come on at the end to the hish of katas. Rebel. Why did the gar thinks hold that? How do you know that? And he holds I think that should be like Yeshua's overshar maybe that the same that teaches me that teaches me that needs to be brought and also needs to be brought. If that's the case is not going to have a oversh that you're going to find that has oversh because just like I hold because I learn it from I'll hold that has a I learned that from as well. So the says you can't say that is we have another because you have to make and say which is there's no way that an more than an should also be but is not maybe that's why is and it is not a carbon is a carbon. What do you see from the between interesting? So the helmet that you know why couldn't hold that like because at the end of the day he would have to contend with the which like the and so it make more sense to say that if And don't learn from that's I don't think you should learn from this. There's no there's no minimum dollar amount that the respective carbon has to be worth. Anam had to be worth at least a certain amount of money. You couldn't find a asham on sale to such a degree and bring no. You had to it had to have a certain of of M. So the says must be you can't learn necessarily from if that's the case you could learn from. So you could say that just like if that's the case but it could learn maybe also just like I'm learning as says you know why didn't say that the says in the parish of only the says the same that you have in the parish of so it says so why don't you say really you could learn from regarding but it says okay say the same you trying to learn from. But it says says no that is not a good you know why because left also says is not a real but the is a real because it's only says it's not true is not a so it's not so both have a so why is this better than the says the I hear by is a good because the only the only that goes is there's no other that's an o that's not a ze but as it relates to the ze that is possible in addition to the what is that the pes so the is not a real that's why wasn't spelled from the he had a regular ma mosino that is. So I think maybe but he never had a he never had a that should be because he knew that it says and would exclude another way to be between the two is you could always say it's true that was but they were in different ES what we need is said that was in the world of there were two places there was the place that was brought and then there was the place that was brought the bottom line is is that the as it relates to was a real it's a real number one number two even that was you could always say that it's not in the same place. So therefore knew he never to say that because he knew was going to exclude it. Therefore when Yeshua told what say I hear? Yeah I hear you saying good. So let's we have to continue working flesh out my but he knew it couldn't just be a very simple because he knew that there was a good why don't you say that just like you're being that say that I doesn't say is not a real because there it says here we know is also possible see it's not a real that he wasn't spoiled from it was this that he wasn't a spoiled Drum. Exhale.