Yiboneh Beit Midrash Presents Rabbi Aryeh Grossnass Part #1 "Should we really get drunk on Purim?

[Music] so the topic which we're going to discuss is now the title was um drinking the Jewish thought and drinking so the Jewish thought and drinking it involves many different events which we have you know you'll have this is a classic encounter you'll have somebody's walking down the Street's walking down the street he meets his friend Yosi says Yosi don't know what happened last night he says what happened he said I got engaged he said I don't believe it he said come to come the means drink come to we sit down for a Friday night meal what's the first thing we do pick up a glass of wine right since it's going to be PES four cups of wine right it seems to be just you have a there's wine any any any Jewish event seems to be involves alcohol um hopefully we're going to discuss why um to what extent to what extent is good to what extent isn't good um also reliability when one is drunk what what type of what type of liability does one have um and probably the most extreme case most extreme time we find in Yiddish kite that we should use alcohol is purin just thinking about purin people get the type of visions of you know people lying on the floor and you know oh in the beginnings the per of the people very Lively people very happy and we want to first of all find out if you should be doing that and second of all if you should be doing that to what extent to what extent is correct to what to what extent is good so we're going to start from the gar because of course starts from thear number one this is AAR on those want to follow inside could follow inside says a person is obligated obligated strong word to get drunk on until the extent that he doesn't know between Cur so we all know the poem Story the bad guy was har the good guy wasad so ra says a statement one should get drunk to the state that he doesn't know the difference between so it seems quite serious that that's quite a high level in there's three getting drunk is categorized into three um different levels the first level is what we call sh you've you've drank a little bit you drun a little sh sh like drunk not drunk hasn't drunk yeah sh really means to like that you've drunken something in English when you say drunk you mean drunk right I mean drunk hasn't you drank something sh verb verb yeah so Shu it means you've drank something the it's probably less than a r right it's like uh I don't know how to something like that of of that type of cup I don't know SM something like that a small amount um you have to know if you can DAV after that it's better not to DAV then there's another stage which is what we call you cannot speak in front of a king so that means if uh the king of England we got enough British guys that we can we can go we can go British here right if the king of England would be going by here and you've had something to drink it's p him today and you feel like you're going to meet him him you might trip over maybe the wrong words will come out you're not confident to meet somebody really respectful that's the next stage of drunk that's like you know you're beginning to get a little bit tipsy that's that's the next stage and then from there till the next stage is it can be it can include a lot it can include a lot the next stage is shik sh the amount of shikis of Lo which is you have no idea what day is you don't know if it's a day or if it's night you you're just not aware right the story of light in the Torah when he was totally totally unaware of what he was doing and therefore he did some things which one wouldn't do if he was fully awake aware of what he was doing so those are the three stages sh that you've drunk a little bit but you'd still go and meet people who are respectable that you're going to need full Focus the next stage is that you can't you don't have the confidence to go and speak to somebody who's very respectful like a king and the third stage is so when we've just read this we need to find out to what stage what stage of drunkness do we have to do okay let's carry the gar we've got a dramatic Story coming up over here R the and the of they did a sud P together and says when you have a you should do it with friends right you do with friends nothing like having a party with friends and they did a poem s together ifim they got drunk come RAB RAB got up he it killed literally translated he killed R okay the next day slaughtered or just that's what is Slaughter sounds I don't know you know the next day he daved and he made him live again it's good party tra not bad okay the next year he met it's probably about this time of year you know before por people discussing where you going for por he saids come let's have another so said to him not every year can we do n you know Miracles AR no you can't really rely on it every year you're expecting for you a good punch line here beautiful way to say no it's a good way of looking at it okay he said he said not every we do this you know last year you killed me you know thank you for bringing you back to life but thank you but no thank you this is the gamar so again what what would you say if you'd have to from this gamar you'd have to someone ask you how drunk should you get P what what would you say from this gamar come leave it up to you guys I was I would Don't drink don't drink he says don't drink okay anyone else I want to know what the the term the B actually mean yeah it's a the sh the root of the word is unclear rashy over here says to get drunk with wine I can't see the difference meets the same level of the highest level of lot yeah and if I can't see if I think this is RHA to me it's the same level there you go what do you say about it I forgot your name excuse me you what he's saying he says shik is you not aware of anything now everyone knows the PM story everyone knows the PM story right he even stop non Jews and Muslim the pr story you say cursed is who for you to say m he's asking first for you to say Hon for you to say I may Mist myself cursed as mod it's quite high level he is that shik so he's what do you want to say from the gar it's very close to that it's very close to that so from the gar you should get totally hammered smashed you think kany West is a sad you you lost it you lost your M right there you go can you ask yeah there you go Okay so we've got we've got we've got two two uh two already in the base of M here let's have a look at what the r say look at number two and i' I've made a little uh bracket this is the T written many many years ago he says that this is he's collecting the he's collecting the from the and he says like this starts you should have a nice then he says and you need that you should get drunk until you don't know the difference between from there I don't know I I think as you heard said just get you get smashed why not why you nothing like that you think yes or no I'm agree yes yeah you're agreeing with me who said yes you you did as well that's what it sounds like you finish the gamor says get drunk RAB rer RAB a killed rer sounds sounds pretty straightforward let's have a look at the B the B is just at the side of the I made a little bracket there as well um he's going to bring what generally does is he brings different which either are the same as the two or different let's have a look so y pointed out that is a very high level for somebody to make a mistake in that seems like a very high level so it's going to have to be something like shik let's see what he says about that me this is the statement of in the first he says that when we said you don't know the difference between it doesn't mean those two it means that whole entire statement somewhere along there you get confused doesn't mean just as you said you have to be totally I don't know three bottles and a go on an empty stomach like you really really no idea what's going on so he adds in tesus adds in it doesn't mean to such a high level it means that you can't say that entire long line and you'll get mixed up somewhere along way you look very sad you thought you were just getting smashed this time yellow Lor red Lori right I'm aister right p a pip Pick a Pepper that's unbelievable yeah somewhere along there you get a little bit a bit um confused okay so that that clears something up a bit according to toas according to toas remember the tour didn't bring that the tour himself didn't say that whole big line he might he might disagree on this point right we we quoted just before he just brings the gamar as it said he just says got a whole speak cryptically we're very straightforward seems to be yeah I mean may maybe they speak critically they could there may be those who will argue that they they meant to you know that you have to finish off the line and he's just bringing thear but POS like you're saying it's it's as it's said I'm on your team you someone's very gifted verbally that they could do the tongue twist and someone who can't so I hear that question you know what simple question go um do you think that it's by accident that theim is if you want to do you know this level or that level you know you can choose and here's my and I'm putting it not by accident in this exact interesting interesting I never thought of that t it wasn't by accident though he could have put it in out or right we might see a sh similar to what you're saying we might see a sh similar to what you're saying that because we're going to see there lots of different and all different types of uh um Al huh different kind of alol all different types of alol Rashi says to get drunk on wine some we're going to see the ram R also says on wine I just by the way this is speaking don't get drunk on Bourbon please I will offend all English people in the room okay okay okay so that's the first you're saying there's different shits do as you want maybe maybe we'll have a look carries on the Bas y the of the ran it's the back of the gar one of the says in the name of one of the from that story that RAB got up in middle of the like it says he got up and heed the gar is pushing away what ra said says get drunk get totally drunk following that the gar brings a story where Raba got drunk and killed say because the gamar then afterwards goes and brings such a dramatic story which has a tragic ending thear means to say that we're going back and we're saying what ra said is not the that's what the I think you were touching on this if you can end off with such a story that RAB the god killed forget about it we can't do this the greatest man that's what says so so far we have two shits one seems to be get drunk and make it meaningful serious stuff and now we have been which says no no the gar then went and brought a story which said RAB ended up Killinger forget about it can't do that it's out of hand so the gar brought the story in order to tell you that we don't pass him like ra don't get drunk says two shits get drunk and then don't touch don't touch it it's bad news we're going to see later maybe according to him you still drink a little bit okay two different opinions on this matter let's go to number three the famous rambam with a little bracket there K how do you how do you do this eat meat you should have a nice S as you can do and the are the words we're waiting for you should drink wine until you get drunk It's I tell you how most people say what the means means you end up falling asleep from drunkenness so it seems to be a high level bikas but most learn the rambam that what he means is drink drink a bit you get a little bit tipsy and like you could go to sleep it's like you know like you're feeling a little bit like alcohol can make you feel tired or it can make you feel you know let's get to work you let's have fun so that that tiredness taking good sleep when you're sleeping you don't know the difference between there you go when you're sleeping you don't know difference between right you're sleep that seems to be the R I know there are those who touch you pass out that's another way of touching ra but most don't touch it like that most touch it go it's by accident that um that um it's in Pub yeah you're looking for this he's got do they have pubs in Toronto it's a thing oh yeah okay bars right okay okay PB than you see what you want to [Laughter] see okay so three now we have three different opinions either get very drunk or don't get drunk at all don't touch any wine or maybe even in him maybe touch a little bit of wine but don't get drunk don't get drunk third is the ram which is drink have a drink wait till you're tired a little bit the wine makes you tired go to sleep and then I forgot your name what's your first name Zach and then you don't know the difference y y okay this is the third CH let's have a look at number four this is ha God MIM is it's a parish not really a pish I don't know yeah sometimes he explains the rambam it's it's a commentary on the rambam there's a little o space where where there's a bracket per sham it's in the first per of M initially a person to get drunk until you don't know the difference between the writes all these is for a Mitzvah it's a Mitzvah it's something optional which is good for and it doesn't hold back which means it's not a that that it says you obligated that doesn't mean it's it's not an obligation something you have to do it's a Mitzvah it's a good thing to do but it's not you don't have to you don't have to good thing to do right something's you got to do X you got to do y right and some things are it's a Mitzvah to do it's a good thing but you know if you don't do it you know we not going to take you out to the guillotin right can't it's mitvah I need forcing alcohol down someone's throw it's a Mitzvah that wouldn't that wouldn't be good right no no it's a Mitzvah come on no no no um okay so now we have for shot him it's getting a little bit complicated shot him for shot him for for shot him one is get drunk next is don't get drunk maybe have a little B wine no getting drunk you end up killing people the next is the rambam which says get drunk don't get drunk sorry drink get a little bit loopy go sleep you don't know this is now we have the ghost m is quoting the which is this that you should get drunk you don't need to you don't need to it's not it's not it's not you know if you want to sit on the back bench was have those guys by the wedding you know everyone's dancing and everything the guys sitting down there get make it happen you know get involved I'm P him if you want to take a back seat don't want to drink good to go that is Fatam which I wanted to bring here okay question is what do we do and the question is a little bit more than that we've we've discussed that definitely one of the which if you learned B are har it's really serious it's serious getting drunk so you know the question which is brought on the last page number six how is it possible that the tah tells you to get smashed sozzled they say there's one um word adjective my English is terrible um there's one term TR trollied you can take any word take any word you want and put Ed at the end and it's fine you per I'm going to get absolutely tabled it's going to be it's going to be mad you any word out there and it means get drunk you just add on smack it's liter it's one of those things I how it is I think is I thought when you drunk everything's the opposite around you can take anything you I'm getting chaired tomorrow right you take everything it's just the opposite way around so how is it possible that to get totally drunk when it seems to be against the Torah we ye didn't we're we're people of of of of mind we we controlled people yeah what is this the way that elabo brings it is all the bad stories or a lot of bad stories that have happened in tanak were through drunkenness love stories starting with to one in when while they died in the B and make D was cuz they went in when they were drunk right or when they had a little bit of wine well if you go all the way through tonight all the way through a lot of stories happen through drunkenness how can it be that the Torah tells us to go and get drunk how's that possible anyone yeah any sh tell me tell me I I I like what you got to say just number four I mean um you know if you have a if you have a taxi you're good to go what do you mean myuno ah my okay [Music] drunk okay let's for a little bit a little bitor it's only appropriate okay before we see his answer we're going to discuss a different question which is going to put put the cherry on the cake here that is like this the brisker of asks a question and he says we find lots of times that there's a Mitzvah of every y there's a mitvah of to be happy want it to be happy part of that being happy says how do you how do you be happy how do you get happy gar says men with meat and wine boss of a steak Yeah get get good meat get good wine through that ladies you buy them nice clothes they get very happy right get them a new jewelry or something like that that's how you do it for them children those days they didn't have all different types of toys and huge toy sters it says get them egm get them nuts used to play with nuts I don't know marbles I don't know how you played in those days cuz you know everyone's got to be happy says the bris what is that when it comes to we say go get drunk we comes to Y said get drunk not tell get drunk it says drink a bit drink a a of wine a little bit of wine and that is with that why is it over here go crazy and by of we say drink a bit that's what the bris gra asks and he answers that when it comes to Y the obligation to be happy is to be happy with Hashem it's a it's a spiritual type of it's to be happy with hem it's a certain connection um how do we explain it through through a little bit of wine a little bit of meat that you're satisfied you're calm you're settled and you connect you sing to to Hashem you learn you DAV that's what type of Happiness we're looking for says the bris when it comes to P the to be happy comes from that's what it says feast and happiness the of happiness is the drinking it's the actual M it's not to get something it's a no it it ends oh means to an end there you go these things run out my head it's a means to an end it's a means to when it comes to when it comes to Y it's a means to an end when it comes to P it's not a means to an end it's the drink itself that is the that is the S two different types of Simas one is with the wine you're trying to get somewhere and one is it's just the wine which only strengthens the question which we asked before why is it it sounds crazy the S which the Torah required you is just get drunk to make a what's such a thing takes you out of yourself because it takes out of the regular person that you uh you are and if you're just a regular person and you're not you're not experiencing the moment the same as you need to experience this moment this moment has to experience different drink allows you to focus on the moment should we drink the whole time to see everything but also everything then you could read everything that you just said differently it could just be that you achieve different levels to the max not to the max but to more than to to your max so you know if one person it's drinking five drinks then that's the person's Max that they need if one person and and a different person needs one drink and that makes him experience what what level of drunkenness are you talking about uh so it's more than so it's more than if a person's you know going to a place and having a regular drink on a regular on a Shabbat pour different thing you know next level next level level and and you're explaining the reason why we have next level is is what again cuz what you just I mean not KN not KN the difference between and so to get to that level you may not be able to do it you know a regular Kido she drink correct but we we're asking after the bris Rob we're asking on that how could the tur to do how how can that be like okay how's it okay you want women walking around sh it' be like ridiculous right we haven't discussed women yet the the for ladies women win on the mind right okay okay fine fine so I think after the brisker off that the is is the drinking makes the question only bigger let's have a look at the he brings the which asked this very question let's ask a question how can it be the the the what it's mentioned in in many places that drunkenness is a Big M it's a big stumbling block how's it possible such a thing yes very interesting all the Miracles that happened to the the times with through Mish a feast all the N that happened to the the were through Feast at the beginning was brought out through Mish yeah made a mistake there you go another mistake and then EST came so that was the beginning of the you know Jew came to power the the the in of H and the way he his downfall happened M was through again a party Esther made a party and invited again it was through M oblig to get drunk it should be remembered the big through drinking wine ends it's all what you say you drink they say as you drink the secrets come out right that's correct y it's like looks uh-huh o interesting interesting my good they got drunk and made a mistakes we're remembering it what happened look I'm drunk I got I made a mistake and this is look qu wow that's woo that's huge let try that on Says Z of a n in order to remember the nce properly we get drunk you get into it get into what happened y that's what the ear rber says it's huge it is huge it is huge yes so really was such an integral point that they're messing up through the drinking so we're going to get drunk and laugh about how they mess up the drink and have good times what a party that's unbelievable understandings to another shot yeah like that's when you know did you hear this you know why the The Gallows were 50 AR T there lots of reasons mhm but hon decided that when he would be having the meal the pleasure of seeing modai sway would have given him pleasure he he made it for where they would eat so we could see swing so the pleasurable one the reasons 50 is M wow 50 is about 49 well you just Chang where were you the last 50 years my perm is going to be better now because of you I'm about to ruin it okay hold on hold on you oh I we fin yeah he's running off he's running off that's it I didn't bring the sh CH I thought I brought it I didn't bring it the sh CH says after this after this it seems to just get drunk H it's real deal the sh TR says that if one knows he brings a case he quotes he quotes a saer that says his father the going when he was young he used to be the MIT of like it says in the and then he says he quotes after that somebody who's weak he's he's got a weak makeup some people they they they you know they have to be careful what they eat what they drink this guy it's difficult for him to eat it's difficult for him to to drink sorry he says he should just drink a little bit a little bit more than usual and with that he's M and then he puts in Brackets when he says someone who's weak he says or if somebody is aware that when he's drunk he might do something which is inappropriate or something like that then he's also has this color will let him off a little bit because of this yeah big side of relief in this room right because if a person knows then you know to to do something us to to to do something which would be the fascinating thing is in Israel is um is p actually optional you can you can leave Jerusalem on on shushan P and you can leave regular Israel on uh on on regular porm and you just you don't you miss porm so it really is if you want to do it you you just get out of it it is true you can get out of it the question is you allowed to is it okay where you going that's the question where you going to no you just you go to the other other place the place where it is happening that sounds good you have to make sure you're not there also go to mitvah that sounds good if youah go to nothing then if you're leaving the Mitzvah to go to the other Mitzvah then right like he's saying I think the says it's to do such a thing because cuz you no cuz what depends what mood you get him in I'm joking yeah it depends people like to say the was strict but when it comes to he's got lots of colors so this is sniper this is the this is the grandfather this was the was he the uncle of the sniper know terrible maybe that's right I think Rel that's right that's right so said women so another thing wine is the preferred yeah they they yeah pasas with wine with other things someone wants to take some really crazy stuff I be honest I didn't I didn't look into it properly it is Tak on that the main we need to finish off with the last thing cuz I don't everyone walking out to say that the you know as as we mentioned there fours and this is all explaining the main thing was to to get the explaining what's and such a thing the the which is the usually determines he actually prefers the the drinking and going to sleep and he says if you know you're going to miss out if you know you're going to miss out um davening or various Halas then maybe it's even better not to drink right so you have to be very careful what you do and as the sh says if you know that you know one's not going to act correctly then also it's something to take into into consideration so yeah that is that is basically um purin what you going to do Rob what my going to do Ah that's already asking that's already asking um I have to see it's defin definitely there's a all across the board to drink more than you you usually drink right unless you go with that sh which says it's only the mitvah who doesn't want to do a mitvah who want do a MIT even if you go into shutter that you don't need to yeah is it who was it that said was about hormon that someone hormon hormon did more than 20 all the other prophets somewh it says that what one Russia did was more than a thousand prophets believe you right so you say really don't know what you read us for the h probably did more for us than M maybe with respect that he brought the whole situation come to a point where would save it you read for who is about PR they say this H brought us closer than 23 Prophet screaming when he came down to the punch something like that someone he took off his ring when has took off his ring and gave it to hm that the idea is that the prophets are there to give you rebuke to come back to the right path by him taking off the ring is did more than the the Jews got scared and Didu did more than the props one movement over Russ wow no I think you're right okay than you so much have a everybody [Music] n