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Rabbi Becker, welcome to the program.
Thank you for joining us. If you open
Tanakh, it's impossible to ignore that
Erit Israel, this land is God's
signature issue. And for the history of
the Jewish people, we've been in exile,
not by choice until today. So why is it
that Judaism needs to have a land? And
furthermore, why does Messiah have to
come to this land? So maybe if you could
expand on those two questions. Thank
you.
Okay, these are very broad but also very
fundamental questions. What's the role
of uh the land of Israel in Torah,
in Judaism, in our lives? Um what's so
to speak Hashem's idea, plan, desire for
the land of Israel? These are important
questions and you are correct. Um it's
very hard to uh no, not very hard. It's
impossible to go through Tanakh, the
Torah, prophet's writings, and avoid
Israel. It's not it's not possible. Um,
Hashem's first words to Abraham
was to go to Israel. Um the uh first
recorded uh I mean the first uh the the
greatest test that Abraham
had was to offer his son Yitskak as an
offering on Hara Maria land of Israel
the site of the future Bamikdash
future temples. Uh we know that um that
that the Yitsak never left the land of
Israel because he was called an olatim,
a pure offering. His sanctity did not
allow for him to leave the land of
Israel. Um and it was with great
reluctance. Yakov and his sons went down
to Egypt, famine and so on and so forth.
Even in Egypt, the Jews, the the the the
tribes, Yakov, Yseph, the tribes, all
asked to be buried in the land of
Israel, take us back to Israel.
The Jews left Egypt with a hope, a
belief that they'd one day come to the
land of Israel. And then you're right,
the whole history of the Jewish people
until exile was revolving around our uh
inhabit our habitation of the land of
Israel, our settlement of the land of
Israel, conquest, exile, return, exile
and so on and so forth. And we are
waiting
for the uh redemption for the Messiah
where one of the key features the Rambam
has it as one of the one of the ways in
which we can identify that the Messiah
was successful is that there is kibbutz
golus there is a return of the Jewish
people to the land of Israel.
Uh so uh it does prompt us to ask
why is Judaism Torah so focused on a
land. I mean you can think there are
many religions laavil out there and vast
majority of them ones that I know of and
not specifically associated with one
piece of land.
you know, Catholics,
they consider Israel holy because their
founder lived there possibly. Um, they
uh consider pilgrimage to be a wonderful
thing. The Vatican is the home of the
pope. But, you know, one could be a good
Catholic without visiting either place.
Live anywhere in the world. Islam has an
obligation of Hajj to make pilgrimage to
Mecca once in your lifetime.
no obligation to live in Saudi Arabia.
In fact, I can't imagine Saudi Arabia
wants all of Pakistan and Indonesia to
come there. It's highly unlikely. Um, so
no obligation, no specific attachment to
that land.
And why is it
that we have that attachment? Um, think
about it. There there are very there are
great people, righteous Jews,
individuals, Torah scholars,
women of piety and so on who have lived
outside of Israel and have lived what we
would consider to be amazingly complete
lives. But they were not complete
according to the Torah. They were not
complete lives as far as we can see.
They didn't they were not able to
fulfill the mitzvah, the commandments of
the land of Israel. They did not have
that sanctity of the land of Israel in
their lives. Uh and out of the 613
mitzvah that we are obligated in
according to the Torah say for a in his
introduction makes a calculation that
because we are in exile the majority of
Jews not in Israel we don't have the
full infrastructure of the of halaka in
the land of Israel. out of the 613
commandments, we're only obligated in
270 270.
He says that's hinted at in a beautiful
hint in the Song of Songs Shirim where
it says an Libby. The Jewish people say
we are asleep. I am asleep. I'm in a
coma. Valibby, but my heart is awake.
It's beating.
The word air, beating, awake, ain has a
numerical value of 270, so to speak. The
Jewish people are like, and when we're
out of Israel, we're a nation in a coma.
You check our pulse, it's 270. That's
probably not good. But but uh for the
Jewish people, that's that's a good
pulse. 270, the midspot that we still
do. So we see from this clearly that
Israel is central
central.
So what is it? Why? So a few things a
few points that need to be made and each
one really requires an entire
our seminar. Who knows?
One point made by Rabbi Samson Rafael
Hirs
uh and Rabbuda Halevi earlier in the
Kuzari.
Start with Rabbuda Halevi. Rabbi Alvi
says the Torah is about building a
society of Torah.
Building a an entire world, mini world
of based on Torah. The only way that can
be accomplished
is ultimately in our own land, with our
own government, with our own
independence. Because then we can build
a country where the agriculture
is going according to the rhythm of the
Schmidita cycle, Truma and Marer and all
of the sbatical all of all of the laws
of agriculture where the the the the
justice system is the holy Sanhedrin,
the Jewish Supreme Court, the Batein and
so on and so forth. where there's a
monarchy based on the laws of the Torah
regarding a monarchy has a safer Torah
with him and so on and so forth. He says
all of that is a way to to build a
society based on Torah. So you cannot do
that. You could live a good Jewish life
in Boro Park or Williamsburg or Golders
Green,
but you you're not building a Torah
society there.
you're living in the society around you
with various degrees of interaction
and at the end of the day though you're
not building your country or society.
So, Israel, Rabbi Alvi would put it, one
aspect of that is that it's it's the
opportunity to fulfill our task which is
building an entire life,
individual, communal, social, political,
military, industrial, all based on the
Torah. Rabbi Samson says a very similar
idea much later in which he asks why
Hashem divided the Jews into 12 tribes.
I it's not like, you know, we're not
we're we're argumentative enough without
us actually having to be divided into 12
different groups. What? So, Rabbi Hersh
says
the idea is that Hashem wants the world,
the world as a whole, the the non-Jewish
world to be educated by the Jews. And he
wants the Jewish people to be an example
to the world that you can be of any
character type, any talent, trade,
profession, and still be a devoted
servant of God. He says, "So if all the
Jews were just one type, that wouldn't
indicate that. If all the Jews were in a
yeshiva, that wouldn't help the rest of
the world. They wouldn't see that you
can be a plumber, an accountant, a
physicist,
a soldier,
a storekeeper,
an architect. They and still be a
devoted servant of Hashem. They wouldn't
see that. So Hashem made the Jewish
people as a diverse
people.
with every tribe, every one of theatim
with different talents, different
character traits, different professions,
different and and yet all of them could
be united in the common cause of serving
Hashem. And that's an amazing lesson.
So, so um that's an important point to
make as well. The Sheamish is says a
similar idea. He says that the spies
when the Jews sent not the Mossad way
before but the first Mossad when the
Jews in the desert down there when they
sent spies to Israel
they sent spies to Israel and the spies
uh came back with negative reports and
and it it was clear they didn't want to
go to Israel and there were many Jews
who apparently in the desert did not
want to go to Israel and Hashem is the
great kidic master Rebber of Sachov
He says why didn't because he says in
the desert they were living in this
perfect bubble
that's they had the clouds of glory
surrounding them climate control
they had no agriculture to worry about
because the man's falling from heaven
they didn't have to worry about plumbing
because the water's coming out of the
out out of the stone of Miriam and so on
they had no they didn't have to work
they were just studying Torah
it was it was paradise
but he said and they wanted to stay
there they knew that when they go to
Israel, they have to get their hands
dirty. They have to do agriculture and
they have to create an army and a
government and all the stuff that goes
with living a normal life. And they were
reluctant to do that because they were
living in this wow this bubble. She
says, "Hashem did not want the Jews to
live in a bubble. He wants us to live in
the real world, get our hands dirty,
both figuratively and literally.
and and and within that to bring kadusha
holiness to life and to the world.
That's our goal. To do that, you need a
land. You need a country. You need
independence.
So that's the rebuty rahershamish.
That's one aspect of the land of Israel.
And a very important aspect, not the
only aspect.
Ribbut Alvi also points out as do others
that Hashem did not make all creatures
equal, all places equal or all times
equal.
There are times
where Hashem's, look, we know that
Hashem fills all of as the Zohar says
Mak.
He he he um permeates all of all of all
of space, all of the worlds and he
surrounds all the worlds.
If so, what do we mean when we talk
about the the divine presence? I mean,
the divine presence is everywhere. It's
explicit in the words of the great
Jewish philosopher Uncle Moi. Hashem is
here. Hashem is there. Hashem is truly
everywhere up up down to we all know
that right? Who would have the to argue
with uncle Moshi, right? So what do we
mean when we talk about divine presence
the schina?
So um Ibanzra and others point out that
what is meant by schina is that there
are places and times when you can
perceive Hashem's presence more than
other space places and times. Hashem's
presence permeates everywhere. True. And
all times true. But yon kipur in the
afternoon at nilu as the sun's setting I
can feel Hashen's presence more than I
can Monday morning as I'm pressing the
alarm to shut off right um and uh there
are also places where we can feel
perceive Hashem's presence more than
other places
and within Israel the city of Urusim and
within Urusim the harabayas temple mount
and the temple mount now each of those
places. Of course, Hashem is everywhere,
but I can feel Hashem's presence more in
certain places. So, Israel is a place of
revelation of Hashem's presence.
Now, you would ask why don't as the
rebut asked, why does Hashem make it all
the world like that? He says, well, why
don't you ask why doesn't Hashem make
all creatures intelligent with free
will?
Why only humans? and of the humans. Why
does Hashem only make the Jews with the
Torah, giving us the Torah and our
commandments? So he says, Hashem's plan
is that he wants the whole world to
reach a certain level of spirituality
and of morality. And in order to do
that, he has places, times,
opportunities, and a people whose job it
is to raise the world to those levels by
themselves having an even higher level
and a deeper level of divine revelation.
And that is that is Hashem's plan. So
the land of Israel is this like window.
It's a place where and and the truth is
that window is open not just to Jews.
We know that Gomorrah tells us that
every everyone any any person not just
Jew but non-Jews can offer offerings a
corban in the temple in Jerusalem. We
are told
my house is a house of prayer for all
peoples. When Schlomahamel, King Solomon
built the first temple in Urusim, his
speech in the book of Kings 18, his
speech talks about the purpose of the
Basa Mikdash and he in the speech he
mentions that it's for the non-Jews when
they turn to it, when they come here,
when they pray here, their prayers
should be accepted. So, so you need you
need people most people cannot live in a
situation of incredible intensity all
the time. will just burn up. You need
places, you need times, you need moments
of inspiration. The land of Israel is
that because of that, as Rabbuda Halevi
says, and obviously I'm heavily quoting
him because the quizer is one of the
great great sources regarding the land
of Israel and its and its special
nature. He says because of that prophecy
was always only associated with the land
of Israel. Either the prophets
prophesied in Israel, started in Israel
and continued when they left, or
exclusively prophesied about Israel.
Israel is the land of prophecy.
And and we look through history
even after prophecy ended. So at the
beginning of the second temple era,
2,500
years ago when we became a nonprofit
organization. So, so we had after that
still there was tremendous levels of
inspiration, divine inspiration in the
land of Israel. There are the the the
cidur
was written by the men of the great
assembly. Granted, albeit there were a
number of prophets still amongst them.
That was the last vestigages of prophecy
that was written in the land of Israel.
The the the oral Torah, the Torah Shabb,
the Mishna written in the land of Israel
in the north. The Zahar we just
celebrated Lag Zahar written in the land
of Israel right some of our greatest
works of Cabala the code of Jewish law
theor also all written in the land of
Israel it's a place where it's clear
that there's inspiration there it's like
a some put it I once heard from my
fisher shalom that it's like a spiritual
magnifying glass it magnifies and
intensifies spirituality that's why it's
very difficult to have casual
conversations about anything of
substance in Israel. Just nothing's
casual. Everyone's like, everyone's like
very intense about it. But that's part
of the greatness of Israel as this
intensifying
im image like an image intensifier. The
third idea I just wanted to mention
is the geographical location of Israel.
You know, if you look at old maps
from
14, 1300s, 1200, it's old old maps, they
always had you have Israel in the middle
and there's this like um this this uh
this football shape of Europe on one
side and of Africa underneath and and uh
Asia, et Israel's in the middle and um
you know, America's tucked away in the
corner. Australia doesn't exist on these
maps, etc. But but the those are not
completely inaccurate. In other words,
Israel is at the crossroads of the trade
routes from Africa, Asia, the Middle
East, Europe, etc. And it was a place
where nations, empires throughout
history have battled over to take
control of it. as recently as the
British and the Ottoman Empire and
before then the the various like the
Mumlukes and and the Mongols and and and
and you had the crusaders and the
Muslims and the uh and and just the the
Persia and and and Greece and Rome and
Rome and Greece etc etc Babylon it was
like this was and and you know the fact
that Israel is located where it's
located is very significant because we
know apostics says
from Zion shall come forth the Torah and
the word of Hashem from Jerusalem. The
context of that puk, the context of that
verse is Torah coming forth to the
non-Jews.
The non-Jews will stream to Jerusalem
and they'll hear Torah. That's a
messianic prediction. But the idea what
happened, what has happened is a lot of
our Torah
has been tasted, distributed,
um, stolen, plagiarized, etc. by many
peoples who have got a little bits of it
when they conquered Israel when they
went through Israel and that's an
important part of the purpose of Israel
is to be a place that will be a beacon
of light a place that will there to
teach the whole world Torah morality and
so on and so forth and some say I think
Rolbatic says one of the reasons that
there is so much focus on the land of
Israel by the world media by politicians
by governments. I mean to the exclusion
of of countries that have huge
populations.
There are countries which where where
single cities have 10 times the amount
of Jews there are or sorry three or four
times the amount of people there are in
the whole land of Israel and yet they're
completely ignored by the media
completely ignored by the world.
Completely. Why are they focused on
Israel? And and I think he said because
they're supposed to be focused on
Israel. that they're supposed to be
learning things from Israel. They're
supposed to be learning things from the
Jewish people. They're supposed to be
learning things from the land. All
right? And and to that uh in that sense
um Israel also is supposed to be a
central focus of the world for to for
for it to learn how to be a good human
being,
how to live. And that's maybe why so
many people are focused on uh on the
land of Israel, on the state of Israel,
and on the Jews in Israel. Um because
the truth is they're meant to be focused
on it, not in the way they're focused,
right? They're focused for criticism and
hatred, but to be focused for learning
and inspiration, that's where the that's
where the focus should be. And that's
also another reason we have a land. Um
and uh you know uh again Rabbi Alvi
points out that he says uh people can
people will draw inspiration sometimes
from a a poor suffering exile or a porpa
who's nevertheless despite being being
destitute he's nevertheless moral. But
he says he says it's going to have a
much greater impact to have someone who
is successful in every area and still
moral successful in every area and still
serves Hashem with humility and with
devotion that's going to have a greater
impact. So Hashem wants us to be
successful. He wants us to have power.
He wants us to have wealth
because those are vehicles where people
will look at us and derive
lessons. Abraham Ainu Abraham was given
military success, political success,
financial success and and the reason he
was given those was not to rule people.
It was not to be a dictator. No, it was
so that people would look at him, admire
him and hopefully learn from him, which
they did. What is Msiah? Is Mashiach
just a way of us focusing on Isis?
Meaning, are these things two separate
ideas? Is there something about Erit
Isol which has nothing to do with end
times or is it just one connected thing?
You see the distance of the human being
from God
is such that we could spend our entire
lifetime and the lifetime of every human
who's ever lived and would still be only
approaching not there
like an asmtote
where the curve approaches the yaxis but
never quite hits it. So right now, as
the Rambam puts it, I'm basing this on
the Rambam primarily.
As the Rambam puts it, we spend a lot of
energy battling,
poverty,
disease, anti-semitism,
discord, and so on and so forth. So the
amount of energy we have left to get
closer to God, to have a relationship
with him, is less is a lot less than it
should be. the the hope, the promise of
the times of the Messiah is that the
impediments
will be removed. We won't have to be
battling anti-semites.
We won't have to be fighting Hamas,
Hezbollah, Iran, uh, Islamic, Jihad, uh,
etc., etc. We, right, we won't have to
battle disease and poverty. Will there
still be poor people? Yes. But we'll be
in a position that we can help everyone,
right? You know, uh the the the times of
the Messiah is that we'll have our ideal
um life where we can pursue those goals
and the ideal place to pursue those
goals is the land of Israel because of
its spiritual qualities and its history
and so on and so forth. And therefore,
they are linked. They are linked. But I
would say that the purpose of both the
land of Israel and the Messiah are both
means to an end.
They're the means the end goal is to
have a relationship with God, with the
creator, with Hashem. The means to that
is the land of Israel. True even
nowadays. And the another means to that
is the Messiah. You know, our goal in
this world is not bring Messiah. No.
Brashia in order to do what? In order to
be great humans oem servants of God
relationship with God and the messianic
times when we have the Messiah that will
be the time that we can do that all and
the place that we can do it all is the
land of Israel. That's the that's the
goal. So I would say yes they are uh
they are uh somewhat um inter uh
interwoven
um they're not exactly the same but I
think they're very similar but they're
interwoven in that sense. They're both
the mechanisms by which we will achieve
our goals.
>> Okay. Now I I watched recently your
podcast two rabbis and a podcast with
Rabbi.
>> Yes. Excellent. And you mentioned there
the Ramban about Yeshua and I wanted to
just focus on one aspect of the Ramban
you mentioned which was that there's
aside from you know I think moving to
Israel or owning a house there's a
mitzvah of of developing
and that's something that is a biblical
commandment and it's something that
anybody regardless of where you are if
you can't move but you could promote it
you there are things that you can do you
I remember my father told me when he was
a kid, he lived in California and they
had a program. You give a dollar and
you're planting a tree in Israel. So, um
I wanted to know if you could tell us or
the audience some some practical things
that they could do to um do this mitzvah
because this is this is a serious thing.
It's no different than an estraul or you
know it's a real mitzvah of building up.
>> Yeah. So yeah, nakmanades, so people
don't get confused. Rambam, Ramban,
yeah, Ramban, Nakmanades, he actually
says there's three components to this
mitzvah, which applies even today. Uh,
number one is living there. Number two,
not leaving it in the hands of
foreigners. Um and um and and number
three, as you correctly pointed out,
what what we call Yeshu Harets, which is
to um uh make the land of Israel a more
habitable place. So if I involve myself
in agriculture,
that's great. If I build a roads,
amazing. If I build a falafel store,
also good, right? All part of it. So um
so I would say if a person doesn't I
mean I'm here I am talking about all
this and I'm living in Paic New Jersey
>> but you probably sent more people tool
than than than anybody. I I did live in
Israel for quite a while and my rebi
Ramosha Shapiro said I should move to
America so I did right I plan on coming
back but in any case yes someone who
lives in as is the case for me and uh
many people I don't know who's watching
this but um we can be involved invest in
Israel if you buy a house in Israel you
invest in real estate in Israel you are
contributing to the building of the land
of Israel everything we do in Israel.
The Kassam Syer in a very beautiful uh
piece on his commentary on Suka Lammed
Vavan Syfer actually writes that that
everything we do in Israel, he says not
just agriculture.
He says all of that is part of this
incredible mitzvah of Yeshu Israel. Um
he says
to bring out its holy fruits. I think
buying Israeli products, the blessed
fruits of the land of Israel, uh which
we I know we see here in Costco in New
Jersey, right? Uh you know, whether it's
the cherry tomatoes or etc, etc.,
bisley, bambber, etc., part of some of
the blessed fruits, right? Uh but I
think that's certainly a part of it. Um
I think that's helping the agricultural
uh component of the land of Israel. Um
and uh there are many many um many good
causes in Israel. There's a I just got a
I get a message from some group who's
trying to bring to raise the Jewish
population. The Galile is being
is being overrun by Arabs
and uh it's it's in it's it's in danger.
So helping people settle in the galile,
helping people in the negv, helping
people settle in places in Israel where
there's a der of Jews.
So I think those are all important parts
of it. Um and uh you know each person
according to what they can afford and
what they can do. But I think all of
that is you know when people sometimes
go to Israel and they volunteer and they
help out and that's also great you know
whatever we can do there.
So, first of all, thank you so much for
joining me and I um am so honored that
that you came on. Uh this um hopefully
will be one of many many talks we do for
Dabut. Uh this will be on their channel.
Um and I will leave a link to your
channel to um the channel that I watched
that uh
>> wonderful. Thank you very much. so that
people will be able to also um see see
the continuation of this conversation
cuz I I caught you I think in episode
100 or 80 I don't remember what number
it was a thousand I don't know so so you
look it up um maybe you could lead us
out with a braha um to the to the boy
thank you
>> I mean okay I I'm qualified as a head
jot um so I guess I can give a a a braha
that uh that people should feel
closeness to Hashem people should have
success physically and spiritually and
uh and use that to create a keshm
sanctification of the name of Hashem.
Rabbi Becker, thank you for joining us
from just outside Jerusalem. Shalom.