Why Fire Isn’t Physical in the Afterlife — And How It Works (Afterlife #15)

This Torah class is brought [music] to you by tora anytime.com. >> Here we go. Last time we introduced we began an introduction into the concept of okay we were speaking about the idea of going to the to and where it is. Now I said I mentioned in the end of the last year that I'm going to speak about an important accuda. Before we get into the details of the description of what ganam looks like, we are going to discuss a philosophical question today. If you don't mind me doing it should take the the rest of the sh that's the truth. But it's a philosophical question when once upon a time people used to ask philosophical questions. This concerned people nowadays people are a little bit less concerned about philosophical questions because they're just into partying. So they don't really care about these things and doesn't that's not really the of the door these days. Thear is more other things. But back in the olden days there were certain questions that that was disturbed people whether to be religious or not was a question of many philosophical questions which I will approach today about understanding and one of the big one is understanding the idea of gehenn of gehenn okay and how it can exist such a place the essence of today's shir will be mainly probably the majority of this year with some additions is going to be based on the ram in the raan in he has a cafer called is a cafer that goes through autes through a lot of mourning. He talks about and this the Raman of course is a he lived in the 1200s and he was a big mubal as we all know he's one of the first people that expressively speaks out cababalistic ideas and inside of the he writes a there's a part that's called which speaks about it talks about and it's his disagreement with where isab between him and the raam him and the raam have a very famous disagreement about what we describe as being the next world. And that of course we will speak about in the future, not today, but that is on deck. Okay, that is the nidon that we're speaking about. This is the question that we have to entertain before we actually physically speak about gam. He says like this, how does a person get punished in the fires of gam? How does it physically happen? It doesn't make any sense. He says that we know we're made up of a physical body. And if we're made of a physical body, so maybe you'll tell me that your body actually physically gets burnt. Okay, we're talking about certain pain that a person goes through and that's what it is. On these are not word for word, but I kind of summarized more or less historical entity. It's not moving. We all know it's all going down to the grave. Nothing's going on there. If you're going to say we're burning it, you burn the body or somehow the body actually physically gets burnt in order to be mitsum or to give him pain, right? Or in order to give him a lot of usurim and these types of things and and and that's part of his decomposing and that's the pain of ganam. So he says so then there's no difference between a person who's more or less a sadik and not a sadik or someone who's a big not a big everyone's going the same place. Everything's happening to the same thing to the all the people or all the bodies are happening. If if the whole physical problem of has to do with the happens to the physical body then it's a big problem because those are the words of everything's the same. What's the difference between one and the other? It can't be the body because it's all the same and there's no real pain to a physical body. Now this parenthetical we spoke about this once how the we know the Mishna says that there's there's certain pain that a person goes through we said okay we said that even a dead body has some type of excruciating pain so we spoke about this year seems to learn that there's no pain to a physical body and we mentioned that it's really the pain that the nama feels seeing the body underneath him that's receptan. Okay, that's the idea that when the nama sees its body being uh abused and demoralized and decomposing and it looks horrible. So that is the pain that it goes through. There were some which we mentioned also that the nephesh the lower part of one's nama is in the body still and it feels certain types of pains but it seems to be the raan is not learning that way. I'll go upon him. The Ramban says obviously the of which I'm sure we all understood this here can't refer to the physical body because it can't be the same for everybody and of course we know that the of is something a little bit more metaphysical and the goof is sitting here standing in front of you so it's impossible to say it refers to that that's the first step of the Ramban which I'm sure is more of a straightforward approach but he is systematically trying to prove how to understand the ish of yeah >> why do we have to come on to saying that it can't be So because each person hits a different punishment, it could still be a different punishment. It would have been the same. >> If the punishment is something that happens to the goof. So we see every everybody's body the same thing happens. Same thing happened to Hitler is the same thing as happens to >> not big >> of temperature. Yeah. We're only talking about the physical body. Yeah. The physical body. Do you see a difference between this decomposition and this decomposition? It's almost the same. No. You're saying the weight is decomposed could be more painful. I'm only talking about the physical body right now. He's he's like I said he's doing a these other philosophy you have to philosophically prove these things by becoming systematic. He was talking about the physical body in the in the ground. Yeah. All right. So he says it must be that the the punishment comes to the nephesh the spiritual aspect of a person. Okay. So it uh it comes to it comes to the nephesh it comes to the more spiritual action to uh to the person. And on that he asks how is it possible to receive a punishment for a spiritual part a spiritual receiving spiritual receives pain. How do you give pain to something that is no time bound? It seems to be something ever extending lasting for a long time. Right? How is the esh how is a fire able to burn a a fire can burn a body? He says a goof but it can't burn an effesh. It can't burn an effesh. So he says so based on this problem that people said they couldn't do there were some that wanted to say and this is the position without saying it but he means that this is the position on the Christians that there's an idea of karet meaning what's karet and of course we also have karet but the idea of karet is that it's or all or nothing as they say or you go to you know great the higher upper paradises in cloud nine and get to live in a puffy cloud over there together with the right or if you don't believe in is then you're going to burn to high heavens meaning you're going to give your nama your neph is not going to last forever it's going to disappear and go to netherland okay it's going to completely turn to smitherines that's all there is there's nothing in the middle there's no like pain and this whatever there's more or less all or nothing it's an or you believe or you don't believe and if you don't you have something that we call more or less ket you feel some pain on the way or this but that's it it's all it's all or nothing okay he says He says this that think that they're that they know things that have to do with the eal worlds with eal worlds or the higher worlds. These are the people that think they know more. These are the words of Raman but they know nothing. Our Torah has a mur and we obviously know better. And he says according to this it's very strange because if you killed 5,000 people right or if you killed one person you're going to the same place. Your body is doing the same thing. We don't make any differences. Or if you're an Apicorus or Kifer, a person who doesn't believe in their god, right? A person who doesn't believe in their god is going to the same place is a guy who you know 70 or 80 years ago they made a holocaust of killing millions and millions of people. They're all going the same place. What's the difference? Okay, it's all it's all the same. Or you're in or you're in the door, you're out the door. That's what it is to be black and white. fear says we all know is like that and therefore there's no question that that's the wrong address. So he says basically in order to answer this question, how is it possible that a non-physical things can hurt a non he says obvious it must be that the physical the fire we're talking about is metaphysical. It must be we're talking about an is that is it must be says the we're talking about an ish which is it's not bound by any time or place. It's completely nothing and who built a nephesh which is which is completely pure. It's not a it's not a from anything physical. Okay. So you have a fire which is spiritual and a nephesh which is spiritual and that is how one is able to to uh to do it. Now over here we have a couple interesting which I want to mention about the nephesh which he's referring to. First of all he points out that you I'm going to bring to you some important which not everybody knows. First of all, the Ramban mentions that this nephesh is higher than the angels. They're higher than the angels. No one can catch this nephesh. It's way above and you can't be but it's not as high. It's higher than the angels. That's the of the of the Okay. He says it doesn't come as any from the melim because it doesn't come from the angels. It comes straight from it doesn't come from the four doesn't come from it doesn't come from the four foundations of the world and it doesn't come from the it comes straight from the which as we know it comes from so therefore he points out it's much higher than anything else now this you have to know is a big dua if our is higher than the or higher than us in some types of ways so we have a mafur that seems to say gave us straight from him and therefore obviously it's higher than also the over here on the points out the same thing in init he also says the same thing that it is better than the in other words we have a much higher than the also writes this in he writes I'm reading a word for is much higher. It's very very high and it goes above anything. It goes above everything. We see that the is much higher even than the than the there's a very famous infer if you want to look. He says he brings this he says there are those that say then the shama is higher than the angels on one side but then he brings that there are those that disagree and they say the angels are higher than us look we're we sin we do bad things we're we're not we're not we're physical beings in the end of the day with inside of us but look how can the go into our body that's what he says he brings both sides like that and he says he says that they're both true he says In essence, the truth is the are higher because they're pure no. There's nothing wrong with them. They sing to the they're completely they're much better. But because of the potential that lies in the n the man has the capability with his potentials to go way over and beyond any malik anytime anytime he says these words this is the whole anyone who learns knows these words. He says these things he can be a bunch of things through his we received it directly from hem and we have the capabilities to get back up to we can actually get there. So he says that we can get there and therefore it's both true but in intrinsically intrinsically the malik might be on a higher level but with our capabilities that makes us higher because it's much more fantastic to be able to do I think I remember I don't remember 100% but if you would look at if I remember Pinkis I think I heard this martial once he says if you would look at an airplane hanger right the place where they park the right it's called a hanger I think right the place where they where they park the airplanes right it's an incredibly large incredibly building wow it's very marim they say in very impressionable gives off a nice impression and if you look at the plane compared to the airplane anger which can park a few planes inside it looks tiny looks like those little toys that you buy for your son, right? They don't look so so things. And when you think about the price though, the airplane hang anger is a quarter of the price, probably even less than the price of the airplane. The airplane is tens of millions of dollars or maybe I'm off a little bit more, right? They're very, very expensive machines. And here we have this airplane anger which to a simple person would look at and go, "Wow, this thing's unbelievable." And he would look at the airplane and go, "That's also nice. It's cute." But they wouldn't think, "Why is this worth more?" Or the answer is what's the difference? Cuz the airplane can get to shim. The airplane can get up to the sky. The airplane anchor is not going anywhere. He's just sitting there. He doesn't do anything. The airplane is able to put you over the clouds. That's what he can do. That's the same thing the malim are impressionable. They give him very pure creative creatures. Unbelievable. But the naba can get to shay. It's a capability of being able to accomplish so much. And that's why that's why it's on a much higher level. is this you saw that the Ramban brings to us. So we have a spiritual nama which has a tremendous amount of capability and it's much higher than the malim continues it's over you have to skip around on the pages by the way I'm skipping around but it doesn't make difference to you that he basically says and these were created during when during we all know that there were seven days of which was yesesh something from nothing okay that's the world of something from nothing After my everything was yesesh something from something you understand we can only create things something from something the first seven days of creation that's what we know as bria briah is yesesh that's why it's called something is we no none of us can do coming out anything but is completely godly after that we move to the world of is molding something you take something you make something of something else there will never be anyone in the People don't care how scientific they do. They can create something from nothing. It's physically impossible. Only a kadesh who can do that. They can play around with chromosomes and hormones and they can do all these types of things to try to make people look like their parents and things like that, right? And they can play around and try to make all their genetic changes that they want to do because everyone's depressed about their old selves, right? Try to do as much as they can. They can do all this playing around, but they cannot create something from nothing. And one of these creations was the nish. The nishama was a bria. a spiritual bria but that itself is a creation. That's why it's always to ever say people say is spiritual is when you talk about you say to say that is not spirituality is a creation also the fact that there is a malik or a these are all spiritual entities but they were created during during that's where he writes in two places he writes in bet in per he says or what does doesn't mean or is to be mar. What did he add to the ore? We created ore and something else. What's that something else? The and that's what the Raman says by us also that the was created on the first day of Brit which is a series of creation because the clal is the rule is everything that was created on the earlier part of the week was closer to was closer to anything that was created on yishon right is very very spiritual. The Hor was created, right? And then the second day the yam, etc. a little bit less. We started getting a little bit more physical. And then the third and the fourth and fifth, right? Until man was created on the sixth, which was much more. You following me? So everything that was closer to the beginning is much more on a spiritual level. So that's what the Ramban says. that nash was created on the first day of and that's the reb that mukai brings from the mkai rak that it was created on the same day as the ore which ore is that referring to the or aanuz we all know the organ is the hidden ore there's organ next to it al so it comes from the same place okay but that organ the hidden ore in that hashem created that of course we know is what he hid and then eventually is going to come back to mashia we're gonna get that powerful which we've described when we saw the near-death experiences biput simply speaking that's the light that they see they always say it's a light but it's it's very bright but it's not blinding and it's very warm and it's very enjoyable and it's only a spiritual type of light and I they feel it within themselves but they don't see the light etc all these descriptions which they know nothing about what they're talking about but they know about what they saw to a certain extent shows that this is what the organ is created on the same day the says it was created The nishama on the first day was created with organ because the nishama is the one who's going to get to see the organ. He's the one who's going to be able to see the organ in the future. So that's why it was created on the same day. There's a chubas arashba. We have a set of chubas is over here. Now and the last section of the chubash the last is mukas to the rambad. They decide they realize that it's really the Rambadan who wrote it and he has a chuva there where he writes a letter to his mean was his cousin and it was also his children who were married and he writes over there that it's m it has to be that he was created it must be he created from nothing and was created on the first day his old speaking about it and he says that's what it means it says he says is referring to the etheral things the spiritual beings that he created also during the seven days during that and also of course the world as we know it he says that it's referring to to both types of things and he says that's what it means in the elim that he created the because from now on it's going to be only seven days was from now on The Bria is going to make its own Bria Ku. The Bria will reproduce itself. The Bria now reproduces itself. As we all know, all the animals, everything reproduces itself. All the all the plants, everything just makes more of itself. That's how it is. The first seven days, it wasn't like that. There was no reproduction. It was absolutely only from now on. We move on to we're in the world of AA's idea of Yesh. Okay. And actually over there, I want this to finish this point. He brings a about this. What day were the created? These are some good to know. I like these. I find it interesting. He brings and some people say it was created on the first day because Hashem, these are the words he says. I want to say Hashem wanted to speak to him about the he wanted to speak to the of the to speak to them about my kahu. He created them on the first day. Ku to Hashem will speak to them. Or the other is that he was created on the sixth day. The nama was created on the sixth day which of course is when man was created and the raman resolves this. He says there's no why not depends what you're talking about. The higher as we know it the higher level nish that was created on the first day. The lower nefit what we spoke about in the past about the physical neph that he says of course was created on the sixth day together with together with men. That's uh that's the words of the u of the uh of the Ramban. Okay. So, here we have it. The Ramban that we created as physical entities. Of course, we know there's three. There's three parts. And over here, I was going to read it to you, but it's going to take a little bit too long. So, I'm not going to do it. But over here, he basically says there's also, like I said, these are very important. I feel very interesting. He brings that as we all know there's a neph which we spoke about. I'm not going to speak about it now. The lower nephesh is a physical nephesh the the and then we have the ru is the interchange that's dynamic. It's always changing and the which is above us. Okay. The which is above us. It goes from here and up which is a connecting point to the is that's part of us. Just like the sun has rays which come down and we don't say the rays are the sun. the rays of the sun are not the sun itself we know not but it's also not not the sun it's also displayed from the sun that's what happens with the it's a higher level which we get the rays of the sun and that's what it is so this is very important I feel that I don't think we get to hear so often about the way the works besides when it was created and one last point which is a famous amongst the which like I said the rishim used to discuss this stuff nowadays people could care less about this stuff you're going to be mox anyone but about this if you go to some or or I'm not going to speak about this stuff because people could care less than a nanny about all these details because once upon this is the way you know you go to some you people you take theim the raam you get to the bar you go I know what your problems are here I have all the answers here right yeah leave me alone and nowadays people don't like to think that's not the issues we understand they have to make different there's a different approach but for us the thinking people at least you have to realize that there's this was This was like big stuff back then. This was like what you know how does it work etc. And this was one of the big things about how the nama how the nishama works. I'm going to bring out another one in a minute. But from here we see there was three parts to the na and there's a big and the have a disagreement if these three parts were three completely separate parts. There's a nephesh, there's a ru and an three separate peers. Tears like two three separate things pieces kilo or it's one thing made up of three parts like a pizza, right? It's one piece and it's cut into three pieces. You understand? That's the other way. The ram in the first two im speaks about this in detail. It's very hard to understand what he means, but by us proves that it must be that it's one piece split up into three. He brings a few of and he explains the init based on this idea of the bed and also Ramban there. It's good to see it if you're able to see it and also the bed very beautiful um that that come out from all these um from all these and that it's one thing as and split into three. Others disagree that it's really three and it makes a difference. Okay, there there's a lot of details about this question. What? Okay. Anyway, so what is that all relevant for? So that is coming to answer another point of what the philosophers were very disturbed about. What was one of the big things they were disturbed about? The philosophers didn't understand how it could be any make any sense at all. It didn't make any sense at all to say that each individual person had an issue that there's a nephesh. Okay? Because even you know until 150 years ago we all knew that everyone believed there was a god. Okay the question who it was or how he did things and if there was one or more there was no such thing as atheism. I still am shocked that there is existence now. I still cannot figure out how people can fall for such a for such a thing. Right? It's just unbelievable. Even the biggest philosophers or etc. And they had all their questions in this they always knew there was a creator. Right? there was a creator because it's impossible for something to happen from nothing and for things to no matter how it besides the fact that nowadays back then they didn't even know the calculations the random calculations that exist nowadays are just absolutely mind-boggling it doesn't make any sense and still people are willing to to stick with their in order to do that they say just a DNA twist not the DNA itself the DNA itself is just the twist that we know that it's in a in a circle ladder just to be able to do that to do it on a supercomput which makes a few million uh calculations in a second is able to move and a supercomputer is able to make few. It says it would take just to be able to figure out that twist over 120,000 years to be able to make just the twist to be able to figure out on a supercomput which does hundreds of millions of calculations in a second to be able to do that just to be able to create it's just it's just mindbgggling. Anyways, so the philosophers knew that the world was created by something. So they said there was this nephesh but they said it doesn't make any sense that an individual should be able to receive a nephesh on an individual basis that I have one and you have one and you have one. Why? What's the problem? Cuz how can you take something physical and put something spiritual inside of it? It doesn't make sense. You can't put spiritual something inside. This is this is physical. It doesn't how do you make a spirit inside of something like that. How do you make something and it's it's like taking the wall and making it into wall it doesn't it's two separate things it's the world of spirit and the world of physical don't make any sense to do that you understand so the philosophers the ishim he says also the kaz is referring to before they went with Muhammad yeah until 700 and Muhammad they were totally nickers unless they were totally not think Arabs anyways so they um went with the idea idea that there was a nephesh there was an overall nephesh but it's not that we as an individual have each one individual nephesh there is an ashama maybe big brother you read 1984 right some type of kl that's outside in the world the truth is what I think it has to do with and this already could have some type of there's a big question nowadays okay there's a big question nowadays about these healing therapies right there's a big thing nowadays some people do some people don't even in the world it's It's definitely been done. Some people are coming out against it. There are books about it. I went to a number of shar about it, people that speak against it. And no, nobody really has the right answer. Obviously, the Chinese that are doing it are saying it's coming from a vodora. The question is, is it is it just that they're throwing in the names of vodora or is really coming? There is some type of energy that you're tapping into when you're doing it by pushing in here even acupuncture to a certain extent or the fa the healing therapies, the energy healing therapies. There's a certain energy that do it works almost miraculously. It's incredible. And they can hold someone's hand and just by seeing how much resistance you have, they can answer all the questions that you have to they say to do this and they see how much resistance you have by your hand. They're able to answer where are these energies coming from. So there's no clear answer except for I told you what they want to say at the but the the people who are trying to pass it say comes from the it comes from the wrong places. It comes from the tum and it shouldn't be done and it's the wrong things. And even if we don't know, you have to if you know, then you have to care about what what they say the reason is. But as long as you don't know, so you have to assume what they're saying is correct. That's that's the mahal based on okay because if you don't know, then you can't tap into something where you don't know where it is. But what I really have a strong feeling is it's this energy a little bit. It's this energy where they're referring to a nephali. There's anal there's a kak external kak a certain type of energy that is in the world to tap into the world. No, breathing is a natural anything natural. First of all, it's a long it's a long thing. I tell you this person I heard speak about he spoke about for over 3 hours. I'm not going to speak about it now. Okay? It'll take a long time. But I will tell you that as anything you can attribute to being natural, forget about it. You can totally keep it. It's completely okay. No problem. The problem is sometimes they say like this, one day they say like this, one day like this and it works. You understand? So it's obviously coming from something a little bit more esoteric. Everybody agrees it can't be called a natural medicine. It's not natural. It's not like a pill where we can attribute understand a little bit where it's coming from where the you know where it's coming from. A certain bacteria is able to get rid of other things. You understand this is completely esoteric and two different metaple will tell the same guy two different things and they'll both work in the end of the day. So if it's not a natural thing so then you have to figure out where it's coming from. Okay. I knew you would like this. I know you enjoy this. I was expecting this but it doesn't make a difference. I'm trying to say is it could be there is this what the philosophers all the people always believe that there is some type of external cause that's coming we're afraid maybe it's coming from the wrong place from the black side from the dark side which we we agree exists there is such a thing that exists there is a in the world maybe the Rambam was very against it but I'm saying the Rambam said it doesn't exist but we all know that there's always been a just like there's there's always been some type of thing and tapping into it is able to do that I'm saying it might come from this often Shama that's this nephali which everyone always spoke about was in the world. So when when your Sakar talked about his mentor, what does that fit in? >> His mentor, that's something else. He was a Malik. That was a Malik. That was a proper Malik that spoke to him. >> Yeah. No, that he wasn't tapping into Kawak over there. There was a a mid that and he helped him with this and this. I don't know if he actually, you know, made him feel better when he was sick or something. Wasn't doing that. But that wasn't any that wasn't any that was proper malik z. So it was a proper malical question about gas. >> No, I didn't get to I'm just telling you what their problem was. So this was their problem and that's why they always held there was an ashama external but not necessarily uh connected. Okay, that's uh that's what he says. But of course we disagree with that and we hold that each individual person has a goof a physical body and you are connected intrinsically with an you have a complete connection can give me the right you have a completely interconnected with the you have a complete inter connector with right and it has this capability of of doing it okay and that's why he says the words of the ra that's why we know we have a TV we're all warm-blooded Where do we get this warm bloodiness from? It comes from this extra that's part of our body. The dam the blood is the place inside of you. That's where um the that's the place the the blood is the place where your nephesh your spirit is rests inside of you. And that's why you're able to survive. You're able to think. You're able to be warm. You're able to be self-elt self- kept warm. It's incredible thing that you're able to do that. I think it's a fantastic thing. The fact that your warm blood is is such a crazy thing that you're able to warm your own your own body based on based on the it comes from the co you always say if you wear something tight it doesn't matter how thick it is the thickness is only to make it blood transfusion change your neph is you can ask the question is that we asking >> if you do a blood transfusion >> change but >> people ask and if you do a heart transfusion so then you're right that's the is where your reg so now you become a different person right it's like that's a good that's yeah the answer is it's the nephish that's resting on On top of that, it's not the actual physical thing itself. Then the LA is a bigger question. They started hard doing heart transplants and we say that the LA is the Mishka of everybody has a different type of your your emotions are based on your life. Oh, so when you do a heart transplant, you turn into suddenly turn into right. So the answer is it's it's the the >> place of the nish on that plane really does happen that I believe. Right. They haven't done that yet, but they're getting there. >> It's up deck. It's up deck. It's up on deck. Anyways, that's uh that's what he says and he says all all our movements etc come from this able from this capability of being able to behub together. I just want to point out of course he doesn't bring this but the brings down famous everybody knows this on the what do we end up saying we say that the the body is a is a wondrous thing and what does he say he says the we are always saying thank you to Hashem so many times a day is you should know a little of what you're saying when you make this is the fact that something spiritual can be connected to something physical. How do you have such a thing? That's why we're appreciating every time we go to the bathroom, we give a certain appreciation that Hashem is able to keep us alive. He puts the within our and you you have this contrast like the Mish brings out. You have the contrast of ru and baser. How do these two things work? it works with a medium in between them that's able to um to to keep it together and that's what it is. I'm going to add something which is really relevant for the next part which I hope I get to is then the the way it works this connection and this is based on the words of the arizel okay how do you get something spiritual to connect to the body that's basically I just told you what the rim said you see that you're warm-blooded you see that you're moving you see there's action you see the nama and the goof are interconnected between one and the other the mashal that he uses the raan is like a a candle where you have a flame which is connected in a shama and you have A tila is the wick which is connected to goof, right? So you have a flame and a and a wick which are connecting one to the other. The flame is obviously spiritual and the the wick is uh is physical. And what keeps that together? The the uh the shemen the oil the oil is what's able to keep the two together. That's what able to keep the two as long as there's oil that connects the two to be able to keep them together. So then it's able to do it. If not not he says that based on the without the what? Without the oil there is no flame. >> Without the oil there is no flame. >> There's no energy. >> There's no energy to do it. So he's saying also it's a similar idea that you have the nephish and the thing and and the oil is like the ru which connects between the two which is the same thing as a person that as long as he's alive and he has the sheman inside he has the oil to keep the connection but when he when there's the disconnection between the two meaning the sheman the oil doesn't keep the connection to give to give that connection between them. So then like you said the flame is no longer is no longer there. I'm going to mention something a little bit slightly deep, but it's part of it's overlaps with all these ideas. So, just follow me. We mentioned once and I want to expand on it. I'm not going to have time this this week, but we mentioned once there's something called the is the image of a person. You remember that? We mentioned that just like you have a physical body, there is a mirror image of you somewhere else. There's a mirror image of you and your physical body. Just like you look in a mirror, there's a mirror image of you. And that's what's in Shamayim. And we mentioned there are a lot of places where that is relevant that idea right we said that has to do with many of the when we talk about the spirits that go around in this world those are the of the person that's the image of the person or we said all of us were at harina what do you mean I wasn't not that I remember I mean you don't remember the answer is your was there hashem created your beforeand and it's been around your image the way you look it has you can recognize yourself we said when we spoke about the near-death experiences that that's what people recognize their relatives when they recognize The relatives are able to see the same. What do you mean? He's up in Sham. He's a walking nish. Now I don't know whatever he looks like a nama but he doesn't look the answer is they see the of the nish of that relative that they're able to see. The celm is a certain image a mere image of you which is created the righteous and par also also in part. He says with when the angels came to it was the came there's a certain physical binding of existence that that exists that exists above that. He writes like this. Let me just say this in parts by he writes when we when we talk about he says what it means is even though his of course his physical goof died. His physical body died his physical body died but even so the goof atm was still around. That's the words. It's very subtle. You understand? There's a certain salom that we all have an image of us that's still around and that is what's going to be around in the in the afterlife. And there's many things we know when Rebi came to do kdish in his house after he died. Rebeesh came down to do kdish in his house after he died in the tuvat right in the tuat it says that kesh what was it was a selm that came down it looked like rebi because it came down even though he wasn't alive. His body was in the grave. His body was in the grave, but this tell this mere image. It's probably two-dimensional from what I understand. It's two dimensional. I'm not sure if it's threedimensional, too. What? >> What people call ghosts. >> Yeah. Well, all Yeah, we hold that there's such a thing as there are. We call spirits. We do hold spirits. They turned it into ghosts, right? Right. For sure. They made a If you can make money off of it, why not, right? You might as well take advantage. But there definitely definitely exists spirits. There definitely spirits around. We didn't get it. I'm going to give a whole show on spirits. I'm not I plan on speaking about it. Say again. >> Cellum is a physical something you can see. >> So it's something you could see. It's hard for me to say it's physical. It's something metaphysical but it's >> how do I see it without >> but you can see it >> with a certain eyeball. >> Sense >> see without like right like a telekinesis type of thing. Right. Exactly. What do you say? >> Sense >> a certain sense. Yeah. You can sense it but only with the spiritual eyeballs. You can't see with your physical eyeballs. It's more like a now there is a story I have to mention you know I'll wait for that story in a second cuz then you know get but I just want to say this is something that is something that exists and it's there now this point and why am I mentioning this it's really important because this all part of the answer to this question about gehenn how ganim works with the thing that this other reason says is the point of connection between the nar and the goof what did I just say the physical body we all have a physical body and we've always been mentioning you also have You have these higher spirits, right? We all as higher spirits that keeps us alive and there is our physical body. So the Arizal says the thing that connects these two what's the glue that puts them together is the is the point of connection between the physical body. I understand that that is the answer to the philosophical question. How can you have something spiritual and thing make every day we say that there's a spiritual and physical connection? It's this that is the uh what do you call it? Washing it down. I don't know if it's called washing down but it's a down takes a step down like a downstep like it downsteps the these higher esoteric ideas and puts it into your physical body and that's what is the glue that connects your body to the higher spirits that you own that you have. It's part of you as an individual. They believed it's all in and this we don't each have an individual. Now we hold we have an individual mash we have a neesh we have a that's why we're all different that's why we have different personalities that's why everybody's different because we come from different places you understand other born with different right that's what happens but that is the connection that's the focus that's the glue to be able to make this connection between the nai and the physical body in order to do this so here's the story I was going to mention to you they bring down a story in one of these far that they saw the woman who was on her deathbed or whatever she was okay in And suddenly they saw, you can take it or leave it. I don't care if it's true or not. I'm just trying. It does bring out the idea though. At least they saw some type her relatives who were sitting outside of the room. They saw a certain image kind of come out of the body like this and kind of walk out of the room and disappear and kind of and about a couple minutes right after that she was nif she died. You understand? Now again you can take it or leave it. I don't care if it's true. But my what I am what we do see here and this this is true is that we said in the the bylam left when your leaves so the glue disappears the glue from your so you becomes floaty that's it it's no more it's not tied down to your body anymore what keeps you alive your neph keeps you alive you need to have something to anchor it onto your body that's the holds it down so that leaves and then bye-bye way disappears, right? Just automatically like a balloons that just disappear like helium balloons, right? Just like it's like when you let go of the helium balloon, it just flies away, right? So to speak. So that's what happens and the body just withers and dies and that's how a person ends up dying. You see a person becomes flush and there it's a certain that slowly dissipates from the person and then he ends up losing and that's what it says. That's what it says brother. That's how that's how a person dies in general. Yeah. I think in one of your other shoots you mentioned you quoted somewhere 30 days before that's right starts >> it starts selling right I mentioned there's a two day or it happens on the day or 30 days before a difference maybe the zorel if this uh slowly starts dissipating like 130th every day 130th a little bit goes away goes away or on the right before he dies maybe the the disappears there are different che that's right but that's exactly what it is that is your point of life okay and that's how uh that's how a person is able to survive and that's what it is. You understand that's um that's how it is. I have a lot of stories about this thing if you want whatever they have they talk about different that they spoke to and this and they say we look the same to a certain extent as how I was when I was alive certain things he has certain they have certain similarities to where they were as it was when they were alive. Okay. So all this why am I mentioning all this because I was mentioning this answer to this philosophical question ku that we believe of course that every person has their own individual it was always a big issue how the Jews you know you don't know what you're talking about how can it be but we hold that that is true and that's why we make a on purpose that's why made a to prove the point that no we know that there is a connection between the nam and the goof I'm sure this has been bothering you guys for ages right this disturbing question about how it can be and the answer is comes through through this and with that I answer what the Ramban is coming to answer and putting these two things together but that's the answer we the was saying how can a how can a something not physical be injured how can something not physical be hurt so the answer is first of all the never mentions the word sal okay I'm taking from a different but that is something that gets affected by the fire that actually gets affected by the fire of gimm which of course is also a spiritual fire he says No ker in the world even the worst of the apicorim even the biggest heretic doesn't think that it's a spir it's a physical fire that's burning your nasham upstairs in ganim it's a spiritual fire which is burning your spiritual nephesh which I'm saying is the telm the telm which is the image of the person that is what goes through the fires of ganim which feels a certain pain and everybody like he said before according to his level how bad he did some people for a day some people 12 months some people less some people more everything according to to uh to his level. You understand? Everything according to his level, according to the way it is. I'm a little bit overtime, so I probably uh Okay, it's this is I'll finish with this lion. Okay. A very subtle fine fire. It's all done in a very subtle subtle type of way. Okay? And just like he said and just like we know that Hashem created an eff within our body and it's bound by space and time cuz here it is in my body right now speaking to you and giving over my whole nama right that's what it is. So too he says there's a physical fire a metaphysical fire a spiritual fire of geam in a certain place in a certain way that everyone ends up getting to go to. What I didn't get to finish which I'll do next time is when the fire of gean was created. Okay, we mentioned the on the first day all our nishot were created on the first day. But what about Ganeden and Gehenn? When were they created? Exactly when. And then we will start speaking bleed about two things. We'll first speak about Kafka which is short. Okay. Kafka could be a long time but the description will be short. Okay. To know what it is. And then we will speak about the seven medurim exactly what it's going to be going to be like. You shouldn't know. So I'll tell you now so you won't have to know about it. All right. Okay. I got it. You've just experienced another Torah [music] class brought to you by tora anytime.com.