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Why do you want to become Jewish?
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Why do you want to become Jewish? Clappy and Moshe Frank interview upcoming Ger, Jewish Convert Devonte
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>> Devonte, why do you want to become
Jewish?
>> Oh, so we jumping straight in.
>> Right. Straight in, bro.
>> Let's do it. So, you guys know Torah,
right? And I guess you guys, you know
what they said that um Hashem made us a
promise that before the Messiah reveal
himself that um that he'll convert all
the converts. So, you know, it's just
>> So, you want to be part of that?
>> Yeah.
>> Wow. When was the first time you met a
Jewish guy or a religious guy?
>> Who did you meet first?
>> So, as you know, I grew up religious.
You understand what I'm saying? I grew
up very Catholic. Um, I grew up going to
private Catholic school in Trinidad and
Tobago. Uh, my grandparents sent me
there. Um, so, you know, just religion
was just in me since I was a kid, you
know.
>> How How old are you?
>> So, right now I'm 33.
>> Oh, 33.
>> Mhm.
>> So, you grew up in Trinidad
and Tobago.
>> And you were born where?
>> Uh, I was born here.
>> Born here in Brooklyn, New York.
>> Yeah. Brooklyn, New York. Yeah. And
>> born early 90s. Interfaith Medical
Center, Atlantic and Eastston Parkway. I
was born there.
>> Wow.
>> October 20th. My birthday is tomorrow.
>> Oh, wow. Happy
>> 1986. Interfaith. I never met somebody
in my life born in Interfaith Medical
Center.
>> There we go.
>> Tiny little building on on Albany and
Atlantic. Nobody ever heard of.
>> We were both born in Interfaith.
>> How appropriate. Interfaith. That's the
>> topic of our of our pod.
>> Interfaith Medical Center. 1992.
>> 1992.
>> Mhm. So you're born in Crown Heights,
literally born in the Heights and then
you said you were grew up in Trinidad
and Tobago.
>> So basically, you know, not just don't
want to put too much information out
there, but um you know, uh just say my
grandparents took me and then raised me
down in Trinidad, Tobago.
>> You're born in Brooklyn and Crown
Heights and then you grew up your
grandparents raised you in Trinidad and
Tobago.
>> Catholic.
>> Catholic. Tell us a little bit about
your upbringing. What's it like in
Trinid Trinidad? Trinidad and Tobago.
>> H well, as you know, it's a Caribbean
island. Very nice, you know. Uh going to
school with the kids and stuff like
that, you know. Yeah, it was fun.
>> And you were there until what age?
>> So I was there till I was like 13, 14
when my grandparents passed away. When
my grandfather passed away and then
shortly after that my grandmother passed
away.
>> So you moved back to the States.
>> Yeah.
>> So when did you meet the first Jew? Oh,
so yes. So that began Mr. Milo Rutner. I
God bless this man. He he basically he
transformed my life, you know. Uh he
gave me an opportunity. He was say he
seen the sadik in me. He basically
molded me, mentored me and yeah.
>> Where is this?
>> So B Williamsburg.
>> So you came back, you were 14 years old.
So we're talking about like 2005.
>> You come back to Brooklyn. You where
your mom lives. Mhm.
>> And you met your first Jewish person?
>> No. So, I didn't meet him till I was
like 19, 20, right out I got out of uh
college.
>> So, yeah.
>> How'd you meet him?
>> So, basically, long story longer, uh
just was taking my cousin to school one
day and um I was like I was tired of
working at McDonald's. Honestly
speaking, I was tired of working at
McDonald's, whatever the case may be.
Wanted to make more money. saw walking
down the block and I just seen him
outside and sudden just told me just to
ask this guy for a job like just ask him
for a job. He like what's the worst that
could happen? That's what I told myself.
>> You're working in a McDonald's in
Brooklyn in the city.
>> Brooklyn.
>> In Brooklyn and
>> Ralph and Claran. Shout out to the
McDonald's there.
>> And you you see a guy outside the
McDonald's?
>> No, no, no, no. I'm walking my cousin to
school cousin to school in Bushwick.
>> In Bushwick?
>> Yeah, cuz that's where my aunt live.
That's where my aunt live in uh Canelia.
So, I'm walking my cousin to school.
I'll never forget this. And then I just
asked him. I was like, "Hey, listen. Can
I get a job?"
>> You see a white guy?
>> No, not a white guy. I just see a
person. I just see a person.
>> And I just I
>> What was his makeup? What did he look
like?
>> Just like a regular guy, you know, red,
black and white.
>> Oh, he's a hidic guy.
>> Oh, so you see a hidic guy.
>> Yeah. And I just random. I'm like, "Hey,
listen. Can I get a like Hashim just
told me like ask this guy for the guy?"
And you're like, "Hello, sir. Can I get
a job?" I was walking by and he was
standing outside the construction site
and um yeah and um basically I just
stopped stopped. I was like, "Hey, can I
get a job?" And he told me straight up,
he was like, "Listen, I try to hire a
few of your friends around the corner.
They didn't show up. If you want, you
come. You got a job. I'll even pay you
more than what I was going to pay them."
>> And you were 19 years old.
>> I was 19 years old. And it changed my
life after that. He told me, "Go drop
your cousin off to school. Come back.
Put some boots on. Come back. And if
you're serious, let's see what you made
of
>> a construction job.
>> Mhm. Just sweeping up, just sweeping up
the construction site, cleaning up. And
then I just developed from that.
Started. He always tell me like just pay
attention. Pay attention to everything
that goes around.
>> Get this this godly intuition. You stop
this guy. You ask him for a job. He
says, "Drop off the kid in school. Come
right back. Put on boots. You have a
job. You have no idea who you are. Never
met you before." You have a job on the
spot.
>> Yeah. Right there on the
>> And you come back like a half an hour
later.
>> Like probably more probably longer than
like 45 minutes later.
>> Whatever. And you're working for the
guy.
>> Yeah. And I never looked back since.
>> Never looked back since.
>> Never looked back.
>> He working construction like
residential, commercial or?
>> So basically he was a big developer in
uh Williamsburg. Big developer. He um
managed a lot of construction sites. I
managed a lot of construction um uh
basically property stuff like that. So
he would hand me all of the um put it
like this. All the work that he couldn't
handle, he'll just give it to me like,
"Hey, go over to this building. Make
sure it's clean. Make sure it's make
sure this that and third. Make sure the
work is come. Make sure the delivery
there. Stuff like that. So
>> a project manager.
>> Yeah.
>> That you met 20 minutes earlier. Now
you're the project manager.
>> No, no, no. It took me years to get
there. It took me Yeah. I'm being honest
with you. It took me years. I mean, it
took me about two years to get to that
part of my life, you know. And after
that, once he realized that I was
persistent, like I was always I always
wanted to work. I I would stay late, you
know. I even bought me a van. like I was
just, you know, eagerly willing to
learn. And then when I told when he
found out that my I grew up religious
because I told him, he was like, "What
are you? Are you Muslim? Are you
Catholic? What are you?" I was like, "I
grew up Catholic." But I always told
them that basically when I when you go
to Sunday school and you go to Saturday
school in Trinidad and Tobago um for for
religious studies, you'll learn a lot
about Judaism because as a Orthodox
Catholic, they teach you stuff about it
that they always say like in order for
the Messiah to reveal himself, all the
Jews need to be in Israel. So, but then
when you go and you talk to the bishop
and be like, "Hey, listen question. If
they say only follow one god, why do I
have to pray to three other gods? Why do
I have to pray the rosemary? Why do I
have to pray to Paul? Why after I pray
to this guy, that guy? And they always
be like, "Listen, listen. Go pray the
rosary tent."
>> So, as a as a child, all these questions
bothered you. Yeah. Like Abraham.
>> Mhm.
>> Wow. Unbelievable.
>> So, you called up McDonald's and said,
"I'm not coming to my shift." I'm
saying, "How did that work?"
>> No. So basically I just uh went uh
basically the next day and I told him
like listen I'm done. You know what I
mean? That's it.
>> You were there 45 minutes later with
Boots working and then you were supposed
to probably go to your shift that night.
>> No, no, that was my day off.
>> Oh day off. So the next day you walked
in and you just said I I resigned.
>> Yeah, I resigned.
>> Did it like a mench, you know, class? It
sound like you just didn't show up.
>> No, no, no, no, no. Of course not. The
one thing about me, I I'm very
businessoriented. Thanks to my mom and
thanks to my family. They trained me
very well. So, um, yeah,
>> you're pretty reliable.
>> Very reliable.
>> It took four times to get you here, but
you know, besides that,
>> listen, you got to understand, I'm like,
for first time I'm being the first time,
what happened was we had a little issue
with one of our properties upstate where
we had to go check, you know, we had a
breaking in, we had to go do police
report, this, that, and the third, stuff
like that.
>> Right. Got you. So 19 to what a at what
point at what age would you say you said
you know this guy Rutner really inspired
me helped me move forward in life at one
point say you know maybe I'll join the
club
>> I won't call it a club you know that's
that's a wrong way to put it I would
call it an um an awakening because you
don't cuz if you understand if you
understand you only so basically
converts are supposed to convert between
20 to 40 Because Hashem always said that
listen there's the age that you should
know that is a one and true only God.
>> What do you tell people working
McDonald's? You know based on your story
how you work McDonald's but you knew
there's something bigger in life you
could grow farther. Not
>> talking about people at McDonald's
making money now. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Okay. And they get free food. What's the
deal? You get free food when you work
there or no?
>> I don't know how it is now. Then when
you work there?
>> Well, but back then Yeah. whatever is
left over then you know you could take
over you know
>> but would you how would you tell people
working at McDonald's about finding
opportunities like you did how do you
find new opportunities
>> how would I say it so basically working
at McDonald's there's so many
opportunities you could take because you
could get free tuition to go to college
you can um upgrade to a general manager
you can upgrade to a district manager so
many different opportunities in
McDonald's
>> within the order within the within If I
understand correctly, McDonald's is a
franchise. That means for a million or
two million or three million, almost
anybody could buy a McDonald's.
>> So,
>> but it's so it's two different is
corporate McDonald's and franchise
McDonald's.
>> Oh, when you say growing, they can't
tell a private franchise owner, Dante's
been working with us for eight years,
hire him.
>> You get more benefits working for
corporate.
>> So, they own a lot of the McDonald's
themselves.
>> Uh, the corporate.
>> Corporate. Yes. I didn't even know this.
Interesting.
>> You worked for corporate? No, I were
franchise.
>> And now you're you do lending, right?
You're a lender. So that's how you
became Jewish. You know the Jewish
people with the lending money. You put
right in. They put you right in. Say
you're lending money. You bro, you're
in. You don't got to do you don't got to
talk to Rabbi.
>> Wait, wait, let me let me stop you right
there. I don't lend money. Oh,
>> you don't lend money?
>> No, I don't lend money. No,
>> they give advances.
>> Who? Me?
>> Companies that lend money. They advance
the money as a
>> they advance their money um for either
asset backing or they do it off of
future receivables or they do it off of
collateral. It's all dependent on what
market and what's the what what the
person is willing to put up.
>> Well, a need.
>> Mhm.
>> But you mostly do unsecured loans,
right? That's you currently do.
>> So basically I'm an underwriter.
>> Gotcha. Oh, you're the brains.
Not necessarily the brains. I would just
say I'm the one that puts together the
loan, send out the offer, and
>> Yeah. That's
>> Got you. So, what do you prefer?
Construction or underwriting?
>> Me personally,
I like it both cuz I still do
construction now.
>> Oh, you do? Nice?
>> Yeah, of course. Cuz you know, sometimes
we do like me and my buddies, we do buy
and flips.
What's the biggest difference that
you've seen with Orthodox Jewish people
and let's say people from Trinidad? What
would you say the biggest top three that
like like wow this is interesting.
>> It's so it's the same thing because it's
community and Trinidad is like it's all
everybody knows each other is one way in
one way out community. Same is same
thing as um orth um Orthodox Jews
community. Number two a sense of uh God.
We we love God.
>> So these are the similar things. Okay.
>> And um another thing also too is a sense
of family. We love our family. We love
family gatherings. We like that's that's
the time where we we sing and we laugh
and we rejoice around family gatherings.
>> I know. I've seen the Triny Pride and
the West Indie Parade. I live around the
corner.
>> Of course. Of course.
>> So, uh I asked actually one of my
Instagram said, "What's the bestselling
uh what's the bestselling flag?" He
said, "The Triny flag in the whole West
Indy Parade." So
>> I guess what you're saying,
>> but most kids most kids are most that
you see in the West Indian parade is
like third generation, fourth generation
Trinidadia. I'm I am like literally a
first generation American came from
Trinidad. Like my mom and my dad are
both from Trinidad.
>> Do you know Do you know why the parade
is in Crown Heights?
>> No.
>> Why are we so lucky to host a parade
every year?
>> I That's a very good question.
>> I sold my BA drinks this year. I'm very
happy. They're very
>> So you're growing up in Trinidad until
you're 14 years old. You heard about
Jewish people in Trinidad or there's no
Jewish people in Trinidad?
>> They said in church in the
>> So we we learn about Judaism,
>> but you didn't meet a Jewish person in
Trinidad. Now you've not one Jewish
person.
>> I never I'm being honest. I never met a
Jewish person in Trinidad
>> because
>> but it was Jews in Trinidad though
during back in um back in World War II
era.
>> I wasn't around though.
>> Yeah. So basically a lot of um European
Jews migrated to like the Caribbean
countries you know to get away from the
oppression stuff like that. Thank God
you know they got away and they went to
the Caribbean islands but after the war
they some stayed some small communities
stayed just to stay and some migrated to
like Guyana uh migrated to South America
like Argentina stuff like that. So
what's the biggest difference in culture
or you saying there's no difference in
Jewish religious people and
Trinidadenians?
Are there differences or very similar?
>> So it's depending on how remember Jewish
is different types of Jewish people,
>> right? Religious Jewish
>> religious. So what you want to do you
want to go on the safari side or you
want to go on the Ashki side?
>> Anything. What's the biggest difference?
>> Okay. So safari. So it's no
>> biggest difference. The differences.
>> Yeah. Biggest between Trinidaden people
and religious Jewish people.
>> You told me three things that are
similar. What are the biggest
differences?
>> Damn, you got me thinking now. I never
never really thought about that. What's
the biggest difference?
>> I have a I have a a different question
because everybody we ever had on the
show was Jewish so far. Growing up in
Trinidad and Tobago, even though you
didn't know many Jewish people that live
there, but you knew a little bit about
Judaism, what is a person growing up,
let's say you're 14 years old, you're
turning on the news, you hear about
Jewish people, you hear about the Israel
and the Palestinian conflict. What's an
average person in Trinidad and Tobago,
turning on the news, hearing about Jews.
What do they think about Jewish people?
>> Honestly speaking, they love them.
>> They love them
>> in Trinidad and Tobago.
>> Yeah, they love them.
>> They're pro-Israel. Yeah, 100%.
>> Oh, you're saying so it depends which
country a person would grow up in. Yeah.
What a non-Jewish person would think
about a Jewish person or the state of
>> basically my I can faithfully say my
country backs Israel. Trinidad and
Tobago backs Israel 100%.
>> I checked the voting record in the UN.
That's what I'm going to see.
>> Yeah. 100%.
>> Oh yeah. Very cool.
>> Very Yeah. Yeah.
>> What's the biggest misconception
um Jewish people have about Trinidadian
people and black people? What would you
say the biggest misconception?
>> Can I be honest with you? A lot of
Jewish uh families use Trinidadian
nannies to raise their kids just because
of the structure and the discipline that
we have within our culture. If you you
know I mean we can all agree to that.
You understand? Just like we have a lot
of structure, a lot of culture, a lot of
respect, a lot of dignity, a lot of
honor in us. So that's one of the
reasons why I say it's no real
>> how big is Trinidad? Uh, not that big.
>> A few million people.
>> It's probably the I would say I really
don't know. That's a good question. I
got Ask GPT right now.
>> Devonte, how long how much longer to
your your G conversion journey? What do
they tell you?
>> They don't. So, they don't give you a
date. They just tell you like whenever
they feel that you're ready, that you
basically crossed off everything and
they checklist to do.
>> They don't give you a beeper, right?
>> No, no, no, no, no. So they um so
basically, you know, they basically they
want you to stay in the Arab. They want
you to learn Hebrew. They want you
>> want you to stay in the Arav Araf Ara.
Yeah.
>> The non-existing Araf.
>> Huh. Well, it is a Arav around my
neighborhood. So I'm I thank
>> Crit it's a Crown Heights joke.
>> I would. So, so basically um they also
they want to make sure that you know
Hebrew, know your braas, know what all
your prayers, what you're supposed to
say, what you're not supposed to say on
and holidays, make sure you know all the
main hakas, make sure you know how to
keep Shabbat,
>> you know.
>> So, you start so you started the process
how long ago? So, I started the process
um officially
in um officially officially I would say
in April,
>> April 2025.
>> April 25.
>> Very new.
>> May, June, July.
>> But here's the thing. I've been on my
Judaism path for over 10 years.
>> Wow.
>> Just learning, just learning, just
learning, just learning, reading,
learning, reading, learning. Like I
always say, I always want to know what
I'm doing and making sure that I'm
serving God properly. So I just learn
learn like read Torah, learn uh read
Gomorrah, read uh the rashis from the
Torah.
>> Devant, do you think more black people
should become Jewish?
>> Listen, Hashem said before the Messiah
comes, he will convert all the converts.
>> So do you think more of them should sign
up? What do you think
>> that's that's between them and us?
>> Are maybe a lot of people are signing up
and they're all quitting cuz you don't
get a timeline. You don't know how long
it's going to take. You don't know if
they're going to let you into the club.
>> Me personally, it's just all about it's
just all about you and your nishima. You
understand what I'm saying? You got to
want it for yourself.
>> So, who you make call 1-800 become a who
do you who do you call?
>> You don't do that. Basically, you got to
get first of all, you got to get
endorsed by a community. Thank God that
you know what I mean. Uh, I I can
faithfully say that the the Bkarian
community has been very very very
genuine to me.
>> Bkharian Queen in Queens.
>> Mhm.
>> How did you
>> They welcome me.
>> How did you find the Bkarians?
>> Huh?
>> How did you find the Bkarians?
>> It's funny. They found me.
>> Yeah, it's a long story, but
>> So, you have a it's a basin, a
rabbitical court that you're in touch
with.
>> Yeah. So, basically, you go to the re
So, um I have a date with the rebal
courts and Queens coming up very soon.
Um then so I'mma go meet with them and
um they're going to tell me everything
that I need to get done
>> over a process. But you don't know how
long it's going to be. It could be
another few months, another few years.
>> Whatever. I like to take baby steps to
make sure I learn everything correctly
cuz I'm I'm being like I may not look
like but I'm very religious. All my
friends would tell you like uh David's
>> Hey, I was a Kaz you came every every
service. Listen, I'm I'm I keep Shabbat.
I've been keeping Shabbat for well I
like Although I'm supposed to break it,
which I do because you know what I'm
saying? That's one of her lockers of of
a Um and in the conversion stage,
you're supposed to break Shabas at least
one time. But I keep Shabbat. I go to
shul every day. Uh
>> you go to every day of the week.
>> Every day.
>> A random Tuesday.
>> No, I mean I go to shul every morning.
>> Whoa.
>> Every morning.
>> More from you. Uh there's a lot to say
about that.
>> No, he knows. You know, right or wrong.
>> All on. Every time I call him, I'm sure
I'm going to share. I'm going to this.
I'm going to that.
>> Yeah. I'm I'm very I'm always learning.
Always learning.
>> I think a lot of a lot of religious Jews
don't go every single day. So, I think
you got
>> Well, I Well, let me rephrase. The days
that I the days that I do miss, I try to
make it up the next day and go two
times.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. Devonte, why is it um historically
that and do you think it could change
that
religious Jewish people the marriages,
you know, the very low divorce rate
versus in the black community, very high
and many people don't grow up with their
dad? How do you feel about that?
>> You think the divorce rate in in the
black community is high or they don't
even get married to begin with?
>> Either or. And do you think that's
cultural? Do you think it's something
that could change because obviously
affects, you know, the upbringing of a
child? What's your opinion about that?
my so basically the I grew up in I'm I'm
a Caribbean American so I can't stay I
can't say for like the African-American
culture but I can speak upon the
Caribbean culture
>> our divorce rate are low because a lot
of Caribbean families they stick
together
>> they they rather they rather they rather
fight it out at home than they rather
get divorced if they married they
married forever till death do us part
>> so trinities you mean
>> I'm saying all the Caribbean I'm saying
Caribbean people in general, you know,
because I don't want I don't want to I
don't with all my Jamaicans and stuff
like that. Jamaicans, Asian, you know,
Barbadians, Grenada, I don't want no
problem. So, I would say the Caribbean
and the West Indies. I mean, the West
Indian culture have a very a very very
low divorce rate. I could faithfully say
>> because Yeah,
>> I meet a lot of black people and they
don't grow up with their dads. It's I
know it's a common thing. I don't know
what the numbers are in the data.
>> So, so listen, it's depending on how far
back you want to go. If you want to talk
that talk, we could talk that talk. So,
because
>> with your dad or No,
>> listen. I didn't grow up with my dad,
but my dad was always there.
>> He like, you know what I mean? He was
always there financially and he was
always there when I need to pick up a
phone and call him real quick.
>> Did you know him? You knew him
throughout your life?
>> Yeah, I know.
>> But he lives in the US. You lived in
Trinity.
>> Got you. So do you think that so you
grew up with that debt? What was that
like?
>> Uh none. I had my grandparents that they
took the place.
>> Life life was beautiful in Trinidad. I'm
being honest with you. It was
>> So that I was I was sitting here and
lied and saying like life wasn't
beautiful in Trinidad. Like my
grandfather was very wealthy. He owned a
lot of businesses. He own a he owned a
lot of investment properties and stuff
like that.
>> So he took place of your dad. Would you
say that?
>> Yes, he did. Yeah. So would you say that
in the black community when there's no
dad, the grandparents come in, they kick
in, and there's other family members
that raise
>> Yeah. Well, like they say, it takes a it
takes a village to raise a child.
>> No, because in the Jewish community,
most family, it appears a lot more
intact. You know, the divorce rate is is
very low, especially with Orthodox, 5%,
10%.
>> Right. It's pretty low.
>> Super low.
>> What would you tell someone or how do we
say this? So, do you think, am I wrong?
I'm going to say this. I'm trying to
>> say spit it out.
>> They say that the crime rate is lower,
much lower once people grow up with a
dad. Does that make sense to you?
>> And that's why they try to that's why
they try to basically dis discombobulate
the black community because it's big
business in the prison. We all know
that. So you might as well who's who is
the biggest uh the highest crime rate in
the neighborhood unfortunately
us. So what they do is discombobulate
the community, get these kids in jail,
we get more funding from the state and
everybody makes money.
>> So you think the government is pushing
to have uh complicated families within
the black community?
>> It's statistically proven. They put
crack cocaine just to fund a war within
the black community to destroy it.
>> Do you think it's the Chinese or it's
the American government?
>> Well, the Chinese
>> I mean the the Chinese are into the
putting in the shipping and the fentinel
and all that stuff. No,
>> but we talking when I say cra I'm
talking about the 70s and the 80s. Oh
>> because you got to understand this back
in the 60s and the 50s the black
community was booming.
>> You know if you really want to talk that
talk the black community was booming
back after the war. It was booming.
Everybody was making money. You had the
You had the automobile industry. You had
the steel You had the steel farm. You
had this farm, that farm building this,
that, this, that. We You know what I
mean? It was beautiful, but it was no
money within the government. So what
they said and do, they needed money to
fund their little war and the little
secret operations going on. So we the
rest is history, you know. So you think
you think it was done intentionally to
make money to to fragment the black
community?
That's how you feel.
>> Listen, it's not the way how I feel.
It's just statistically proof. I don't
want to talk about
>> Are you Are you referring to I read many
books on this in this documentaries that
like rich white people are doing drugs
that gets like small jail time and then
black people are involved in drugs that
get like life sentences. Like heroin
versus cocaine and crack. It's like
that's the there's like a whole theory
on this that in certain communities like
they do similar drugs and they get like
little slap on the wrist, you know,
community service and other the black
community they get like 20 years. I'm
like, "Oh, that's a type of drug that's
like really dangerous."
>> Yeah. Because you got to understand
this, the u the black man that got
caught with a couple of nickel bags of
crack or cocaine or whatever he got
caught with, he who is his lawyer, a
legal aid. What they trying to do? They
just trying to move on to the next case.
move on to the next case. And who's the
legal aid having lunch with? The
prosecutor and the judge. They all hand
in hand together. Kumba saying kumbaya.
>> They all have the same boss.
>> Yeah.
>> So the criminal justice
>> also let me finish though. But you know
what I mean? Let's just be honest. The
even the black rich the black rich guy
too. It's the same thing with the rich
white guy. They can afford a lawyer
that's going to run up in that court and
be like, "Yeah, yeah, listen, listen. It
ain't going down like that. Just give my
man a ticket, throw this away, and um
I'll buy you lunch later.
>> Lunch is more than a lunch. No, I'm just
kidding. So, we're talking or I'll make
a or or make a donation to one of your
campaign or whoever, whatever charity.
>> We're talking about the general criminal
justice system is very, very corrupted
and doesn't do well for the
African-American black community. I
would say it doesn't do well for anybody
that's living in an urban community
because you got to understand this these
legal aid does don't they don't get paid
much. So what they they trying to move
on to the next case or the next case and
the next case some of them are
overworked. Devonte, what do you think
the cure?
You said they targeted. What do What do
you think the cure? How do you think we
could
uh bring more education to the community
and to, you know, have their dad stick
around longer or try to or is it just
culturally? That's not the way it works.
>> Government doesn't stop locking them up.
>> Put it like this.
>> And do you think cops are racist?
>> Me? I love the cops. I I I love police,
man. You know what I mean? Listen, I
love like I told you, I love them until
they start harassing me,
but um but yeah, I I have no no beef
with the cops. I I'm I'm happy that
they're that they're around because they
bring some type of uh some type of uh
uh law and order.
>> Yeah, exactly. Law and order. Why do
black guys end up in gangs and Latinos
do, but you know in the upper class
communities, middle, they don't end up,
how does that evolve? How does someone
end up
>> different? See, see, listen, if you
Let's be honest. See, the rich people
call it a cult. The poor people call it
a gang.
>> A cult or a club,
>> whatever. Whichever one you want to
describe it as.
>> So, you think everyone everyone's part
of a gang?
>> Everybody's part of something.
Everybody's part of something.
>> Talking about in poor communities,
everybody's part of something.
>> Even in the rich community, I just said
the rich community call it a cult or a
club. The poor community.
>> So, what am I in? For example,
>> you What do you mean?
>> What am I in? Like,
>> which club is he?
>> Which club am I? I'm just trying to It's
the first time I'm hearing about this. I
>> I I don't know. Which club do you
>> think? If I go to a synagogue every week
with the same group of people, I'm in a
club.
>> No, you're not in a club. You're just
serving Hashem.
>> So, you're saying you're in the God
you're in the Kamad club, right,
Devonte? No, I won't say he's in that.
He's just serving Hashem and fulfilling
and fulfilling Hashem commandments of
going to shul every day doving in with
10 guys and Yeah.
>> So, somebody growing up in the projects
and they're part of gangs and clubs and
whatever you want to call it. How do we
break that streak that they get out of
the projects and they like get part of
the middle upper class community? What
do you think the the trick is?
>> What? Repeat that. Sorry. a kid growing
up in the project going to a very
underperforming public school. Mother is
a single mom, the father's away,
whatever. Non-existent. You know how
much people made it out of that
situation that you're talking about
right now? So, it's all you have to you
got to think about it. It's all about
the kid's mind frame. It's all about
what he's willing to accept. It's all
about what his destin have planned for
him. So what's the typical path of
someone who does get in trouble in the
Trin or the black community? What's
usually usually the parent the dads? I
mean what would you what do you see the
is the way things fall apart?
>> What do I see thing? So listen so the
way how I see see it that it falls apart
is it's not mostly that it falls apart
is it's about it's all about timing.
It's all about timing. You can the
father could be away for some time.
Yeah. A kid may go through difficult
challenges and stuff like that where
he's looking for a male figure to to so
he can understand the way of life but
yeah he turns to the streets whatever
but once the father come back around you
know it's all about the kid do he want
to accept his father a love and stuff
like so yeah
>> what do you what did you see like what
are the percentages like a lot of them
they reunite with their fathers and they
have a good relationship and it's a good
mentoring program
So, so basically when I was growing up
all all my cousins had great
relationships with their fathers. I just
want to put like so I didn't really see
that in my house. So because like F says
my uncle raised all his kids. Um all my
uncles uh my uncle bro Joe and the rest
of them they all all raised their kids.
They was always there for their kids. So
I didn't really see it within my
household. But did I see it outside my
household? Yeah. But you know, everybody
has their own they
>> something I noticed is that in the
Jewish comm in the Jewish neighborhoods,
the Jewish people run the stores in
their neighborhoods. In the Chinese,
they run those. Somehow in the black
neighborhoods, the Latinos are running
their stores in their neighborhoods. The
Yemenites are running the bed. How come
the black people don't run their own
businesses besides the beauty salons
maybe in their community? Why don't they
have that entrepreneurial spirit like
you see the other communities? How do
what do you feel about that? So, it's
all about depending on the neighborhood
that you live in. It's all about the
neighborhood. If you're living in a city
life, then you know everything is
monopolized. But if you live in a
county, then it is black businesses. I'm
not going to sit here and say it's not
black stores. It's really good, very
good developing black towns within
America, which is blackowned stores,
blackowned. It's black everything is
blackowned.
>> So, I'm not going to sit here and say
that it's no is no blackowned deli
stores or anything like that. And
there's a few within New York City too,
>> right? I just it just I'm just something
I noticed.
>> 125th Street in the Harlem, there's
always a big thing. I remember Al
Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, they were all
talking about it that on 125th Street at
the main through fair in Harlem, very
thoroughare, most of the stores were not
blackowned. There was always a um
>> it was a controversial thing.
>> Oh, it was a big thing. Growing up, you
would always hear them talking about it
>> because as a Tik Tocker, I interview a
lot of black entrepreneurs. I have
people doing scrapping metal doing van a
lot of entrepreneurs. So I'm very much
>> universe
>> and uh and uh bro English I like that.
So, uh, I I think what I don't know what
I'm saying. I said I think we could do
another we could do a push or training
or teach or you know, we need more a lot
more stronger
>> mentor mentorships.
>> Mentorship. Do you think he's
>> a lot of mentorships?
>> Can I be it need it needs a lot of
strong mentorship too in the Jewish
community too? Now, now you know what I
mean? Like let's let's let's talk, you
know, I mean, if you want to talk about
that too,
>> let's talk about that. Go for it. You
know, so basically
>> I think also too that it needs that
because you know I seen kids fall I seen
kids fall off the dirt. They don't keep
Shabbat. They don't do this. They don't
do that. I'm like yo what happened? They
was like yo like I just lost I just lost
love for the religion. And I'm like why?
You know what I mean? It's like look
look Hashem is blessing you. Look you're
you're like you know what I mean? You
you know I mean you're supposed to be
happy. You're supposed to have sima. You
know what I mean? Supposed to have joy.
So it also needs that too within
especially with the younger generation
now growing up because it's not like how
it was back in the days when we was
growing up where we we had love for the
religion because we understand the power
of prayers. You understand these kids
now they don't understand the power of
prayers. They don't understand that if
you serve Hashem the rewards that you
will reap from it.
>> So you got to mentor them. You're going
to be a big mentor one day in the Jewish
community. I
>> I do. I do. Do it already.
>> Yeah, I do.
>> You have a lot of energy. You're very
motivational. You're very positive. You
have good force. Where did you get this
from?
>> I would say the people around me.
Everybody around me, you know, everybody
around me is just have the same type of
energy that I have.
>> But you said that the the figure the
male figure in your life growing up till
you're 14 was your grandfather.
>> Could you tell us?
>> And then after and then after that it
was my mom and my uncles and my cousins.
You know what I mean? They they filled
the void in for my father when he wasn't
there.
>> Would you share us a little bit about
your grandfather?
>> So my grandfather, God rest his soul, he
was a sadik. Um his name is Leonard
Appleite, you know. Um yeah, he taught
me everything. He taught me taught me
the way of life. Like he taught me he
taught me how to farm. He taught me how
to plum, how to be a plumber at a young
age. He taught me how to cook, clean,
everything. It's like e every tools you
need to be a man. He taught me very
young at a young age. He always used to
say I ain't going to lay out here be no
king jackass.
>> And then he he he passed away when you
were 14.
>> Mhm.
>> How how was that very hard on you? I
mean I would imagine.
>> Yeah. Yeah man. Fell in a real bad
depression when I wasn't a kid, man.
>> It was sudden or he was not well? uh he
fell sick and um we flew him back up
from basically we flew him from Trinidad
up here and he was in the hospital and
yeah
passed away.
>> How did your mother and father feel you
about your geish
conversion journey?
>> They love it. My my parents are still
religious till this day. You know my mom
still wraps her hair when she goes to
church and stuff like that
>> just like us.
>> Mhm.
I'll like I remember back in the days I
always used to when I was a kid ask my
mom I'm like ma are we Jewish and they
be like you're my little Israelite
what's Jewish people's mis biggest
misconception about black people would
you say
>> like what are they thinking
>> but you but you have to understand this
when you talk about black people what
are you talking about sudden blacks are
you talking about
>> like what do Jew people think about like
oh you're not like I'm You got to
understand this. I I'm pretty sure none
of you guys probably known, but you know
when they was hanging blacks, they was
hanging Jewish people, too. You ever
heard something called a sundown town?
>> A sundown town.
>> Sundown town.
>> Look it up. And it still goes on till
this day. And I think everyone of us
should know when we traveling because,
you know, Jewish people and black
people, we travel a lot. You know, we
like going cross country. And you should
know when you're passing down a sundown
town. A sundown town is a town when the
sun go down, you're black or you're
Jewish, you better get your behind
inside
or they Yeah. They will come. Yeah. They
will come after you and stuff like that.
>> In the south.
>> Yeah. And no. And they have sundown
towns in the north too. We actually
drove So last year we were going to um I
think is I think we drove past or drove
past one when we was going through New
Hampshire.
>> I'm not too sure.
>> Doesn't say sun downtown.
>> No, you could Google it. You can
literally just go ask chache.
How come I find it's very interesting. I
I talk to all different types of people.
You can see my
>> you see told you
>> Yeah.
>> learn new things every day.
>> Yeah. I tell you it's the things that
you got to know being black and Jewish.
>> No, 100% 100%. The um the Jewish
community is persecuted a lot and the
black community is persecuted a lot. So,
we should have a stronger alliance.
>> We do have a very strong
>> but a lot a lot of stuff going on today.
I don't feel like the relations are
supposed where they're supposed to be.
>> Honestly speaking, it's a very strong
alliance. A very very strong. It's not
something that you that is spoken about.
It's just something that's just locked
in. It's there.
>> Eric Adams had all the Jewish.
>> Eric Adams is great. I we we support we
were talking about he how we shouldn't
drop out in the first episode. How he
would be the best mayor in New York City
and he got really
>> Listen, I rather him than anybody else
because I know he's evil.
>> They they did a real job on him. That
was not nice.
So,
>> they do the same thing to that they did
to him as what they did to Como. They
pushed them out because they want their
puppet controlling the city.
>> Devonte, why do you think people go
after Durk?
>> Why do I think,
can I be honest? I think it's mostly
because because they were forced to go
pray. They were forced to go to Shu.
Like me, when I raised my Jewish kids,
I'm not going to force. I'm like, "Hey,
listen. If you don't want to go to Shu,
fine. But your friends is there. They
having fun. I'm having fun. We doing
big kiddish.
Damonte. Which traditions are you going
to bring to the Jewish community from
your Trinidaden background? Are we going
to see a Trinidadian restaurant? Like
what can we expect? When do you sign up?
>> I won't say.
>> What traditions you going to bring in?
>> Well, let's not say sign up. once he's
accepted,
>> you know. Let's just let's just say when
when Hashim when I finally, you know,
finish my conversion and um I'm a Yid
and um I'm recognized in the state of
Israel. Um so basically
a lot of Trinidadian customs, a lot of
Caribbean customs are more safari,
although now I am I am officially going
uh the Kabad route.
>> Why is that? Because uh drink. So basic
so basically I feel like the kabad is
just more uh like I'm I'm the type of
like I'm like a you know I mean because
I'm loud I'm energetic. I want to laugh.
I want to
>> kiss or anti
>> hist or anti
>> yellow flag or no yellow flag
>> yellow flag. Put it like this. I'm the
type of guy listen I just want everybody
to come to shul. I want everybody to do
and I you know
>> are you become a rabbi Dvonte? or are
you going to stay as a businessman?
>> Listen, whatever Hashim plans for me,
that's what I'll do.
>> Did you ever meet Nissan Black?
>> N Black? No, but I want to though.
>> Is he the most famous black Jewish
person today in the world?
>> No, Mr. Black's more famous. No,
>> I don't know.
>> Me? I I I
>> I like House of Levy.
>> House of Levy.
>> House of Levy. Yeah. I I followed their
conversion pattern since the beginning
of their of their stages. I've been
following them. And they made that a
too.
>> You want to become a rabbi? Do I want to
become a rabbi?
>> Rabbi Devonte.
>> Listen, whatever Hashem have plans for
me, that's what I'll do.
>> If he wants if he wants me to be a Torah
scholar, then I'll be a Torah scholar.
Whatever he wants. You know, I think
more people should have the love and
perspective like Devonte has. I my my
block where I live, I think, is 70%
Caribbean, African, whatever you want to
call it. And still there is always that,
you know, misunderstanding and
miscommunication in the community. I
think it really could help a lot. Maybe
Devonte, you'll be the ambassador for
the Kaba community to the black
community in Cranite.
>> Bazat maybe. Let's see.
>> There was a big there was a big was a
lot of tension over Passover.
>> Yeah,
>> if he would have came he could have, you
know, maybe tend the tensions with the
guy with the wheelchair with the whole
story over there.
>> Um Devon, where do you get your such
high belief in God?
>> Like I said, I grew up religious. You
got
>> you always had it.
>> So all right. So let me explain to you
give you a daily day a dayto-day routine
schedule. So when you go to school you
when you go to school in Trinidad you
know we wear uniform and everything. You
stand online and every day every morning
you pray. Every morning you're praying.
>> No no separation of church or state and
Trinidad.
>> No no no. Every morning you're praying
and you're saluting the flag. That's
where I get my sense of pride from for
my country, you know, because it's like
it was installed into me.
>> Why don't they do that in America?
Salute the flag and pray a little, you
know,
>> you know, because they because you got
to understand when they developed this
country, they always wanted to keep
church and state separate because that's
how England was uh that's how they based
their government upon basically the the
the government was the church. M
>> so basically when you when they was
basically the American was developed
they always try to keep church and state
separate but in Trinidad and Tobago we
keep them together.
>> Well that's when I was growing. I don't
know how it is now.
>> So Dant you're not going to open up a
trainy restaurant when you when uh
>> a kosher triny restaurant. Maybe
>> not the Maybe in
>> bring some dishes in.
>> Yeah. Maybe in the food. The food's
good.
>> Huh?
>> Some jerk chicken.
>> Kosher jerk chicken. Oh boy.
>> There we go. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
>> What's jerk chicken? Tell me about it.
>> So, jerk chicken is basically um you
take uh a bunch of spices, you blend it
up, you season it, you make it very
spicy, you put it in the refrigerator,
you let it marinate. I would say freeze
it and let it marinate for 2 days. Wow.
>> Then you put it out and let it tore out.
The seasoning is in. And then you just
throw it on a grill and you just flip it
side to side, side to side. And you make
sure it look like me.
Well, not like not like
>> I don't like I don't like spicy food,
but you could do it not spicy, I guess.
Also, jerk chicken. Not so spicy.
>> Spicy. It's spicy.
>> It's supposed to be spicy. That's the
only way.
>> Like hot like hot.
>> Yeah.
>> I can't eat hot food.
>> What about some bakery? What's some
Triny bakery items that we got to try?
>> So, you have to try cocoa bread.
Um, that's another delight. You have to
try crunch roll. That's another delight.
>> Crunch roll like in the sushi? No,
crunch roll is like basically um a bake.
It was like a bake with raisins and and
stuff like that in it. It's very good,
very tasty.
>> Um doubles is a good one. Um
what else we got? What else we got?
>> So reverse. Which Jewish foods did you
fall in love with so far?
>> My man, you know,
>> just chef regal. That's it. I'm I'm
Bkarian and hard in my only shout out to
my Bkarians.
>> So you're only doing kosher bkarian.
>> Well me I I I fell in love with the
Bkarian um cuisine. I'm being because
it's the same type of cuisine as tr as
the Caribbean. You know the open fire
with the grill, the pl is like paleo.
>> What about the gapilta fish? We into you
like gila fish.
>> Of course I like gila fish. Yeah, it's
good.
>> What about kgle? Huh? Kougl.
>> No, not my thing. challenge.
>> Make sure it's spicy and make sure you
put lamb meat in it. Shout out to my
bkari.
>> Matza bowl. You into matzab.
>> I'm into I'm into shropa.
>> Chopa.
>> Yeah, that's a Bkharian soup.
>> Soup. Okay. So, you're all you're all in
the Bkarians.
>> Well, Kabad and Bkharians go back many
many years, you know.
>> I know. I know. So there's
>> the Bkari one of the school
>> but I but coming to find out is I could
be a kabat and still practice safari
practices
>> right mix it up. Yeah, 100%. And that's
and that's and that and like you know I
think that's what Hashem have planned
for me.
>> But no rice on pes,
>> huh?
>> No, no rice on pesa.
>> See, I'm safari so I can eat rice on
pesabad.
>> He's the best of everything. He's
shopping around.
>> You could be kabad and eat rice on pes.
>> You could be if you're following a
safari practice, I believe.
>> I think he's just for pes he's going to
come safari get the right and then
>> no I because you got to understand this
safari community is similar like the
Caribbean community. there. You know,
we're we're very we're very motivated.
We're very driven.
>> Hustle.
>> We got a hustle in us.
>> You know what's funny? I interviewed a
nanny in Dumbo.
>> Triny lady.
>> Jewish nanny. Jewish lady now. A Jewish
nanny. Jewish nanny. She Yeah. Oh,
>> she became Jewish.
>> But the the nanny I I interviewed gets
paid a lot of money. Triny lady.
>> One second. Hold on a second. Is she
married?
>> I don't. She's older. So
>> note,
are you going to marry? I'm not I'm not
thinking about marriage now. Just
>> Devonte, you going for aki white girl or
you going to go a black comra? Who you
going to go? What type of girl you going
to do you think you're going to target
>> when that day come? I'll I'll decide.
>> So no preference.
>> I think we're getting off track. I I
still want to get the story. 14. You
flew your grandfather back. Bless his
soul. You flew him back to America,
>> passed away.
>> Which start did you miss? He
>> No, no. And then
>> No, no, he wants to get So 14.
>> You're 14. You go you joined the schools
in America. You go to school here.
>> So yeah. So I went to school in America.
>> I'm sorry. The language in Trinity is
English.
>> Yeah, English. Yeah. Okay.
>> So, I went to school in America. Um I
went to Park Slope. Um I went to school
in Park Slope. I went to uh John J
Secondary School for research. Um it was
very good, very educational there, you
know. But you know what I realized about
the education that education system
everything that I learned already while
I was in Trinidad is what they was
teaching me now. So I'm like, "Wow, I'm
already like advanced in this already."
You know what I'm saying? So that was a
good that was the
>> education is better in Trinidad than
America. Education here is very bad.
>> Yeah, the education because we get uh
the Trinidadians get their education
from England.
>> Did you watch the debate on Thursday
nights?
>> Um it was my first day back to work and
try answering a 100 emails. So, no. One
of the things all three candidates were
talking about how it cost $41,000 to
raise kids in New York City and they're
like the not too bright. They come out
not knowing much. In second grade, over
50% of them already can't read and write
properly.
>> Do you know that we spend we we spend
the highest cost per kid to send to
school but have the lowest graduation
rate?
>> So, what's that about?
I what I think we what the education
system need to do is just start doing a
lot of I know it sounds it sounds you
know like like they say that all the
time but we need to start doing more
career development start training the
kids at young okay listen
>> I'm with you
>> yeah we need we need a bunch of you guys
to be accountants we need a bunch of you
guys to be mechanics
>> but these kids at six seven years old
can't read them right you can't tell a
kid at six you need to be an accountant
Why are they not learning how to read
and write in school for 41 grand a year?
I'm just curious. You know,
>> that's a good question. I get when I
when I have kids, I will f I will I will
break I'll find out.
>> But then they pick on the yeshiva
education. Meanwhile, the the kids in
public school are
>> Oh, you want to hear something crazy?
I'm planning to go to yeshiva.
>> Really? When?
>> Well, so um
>> when and where? So once I finish my
conversion, I'mma go to Jer. I'mma make
the aliyah to um well not actually not
make an aliyah, but I'mma go to Israel
for like a year and just go to yeshiva
and lock in. Cuz I tell all my friends
that finish finish their conversion,
don't basically like sit around in your
house and think that you're going to
that you're going to keep on with the
practice and stuff. Go straight to
yeshiva. Learn learn.
So when you come out, you're you're
basically you're already intact and
there's no and there's no breakin or
anything.
>> Any good yeshivas for people that
convert in America? You have to go to
Israel.
>> I think it's better for you to go to
Israel.
>> Have you been?
>> Yeah, I've been to Israel.
>> You've been already?
>> Yeah, I've been there a few times.
>> A few times. Wow. What do you think
about it?
>> I love it. It's my It's my second home.
>> How's it different than New York?
>> It's Israel basically. Tel Aviv is like
LA,
LA and New York had a baby. Then it was
Miami and then Miami
slept with Texas and had a baby. You got
Tel Aviv.
>> What about Jerusalem?
>> Jer beauty. No shine. Beautiful.
Beautiful.
>> So right now you're not dating. You're
in the freezer. No dating.
>> No. No dating. Nothing. Um, Sha,
>> there's a joke in Lakewood when guys are
in the yeshiva and they're not dating,
they're in the freezer. So, you're in
the freezer right now.
>> Yeah. I'm just learning. Just learn to
>> just learning.
>> Right. So, you went to John J and then
you were and then and then what's what
was the next thing?
>> Next thing I went to college. Um,
graduated college. Uh, then after
college
>> graduated with a bachelor's and what?
>> N associate degree
>> in in what?
>> Oh, liberal arts.
>> Liberal arts. Another thing you can't
get a job with. Okay. Yeah, basically I
I kid you not, if I ever known that I
would have been so successful within
construction, I would have just just
went to trade school.
>> But you know, you always had when you
have these when you have a type of mom
who push you go to college, go to
college, learn, learn, learn, go to
college, learn, you know. So
>> So then, oh, that when the construction
thing started. So you started the
construction, you're 19 years old.
>> No, McDonald's first.
>> McDonald's construction. And then you
were working for him and after a while
you told him that you feel like you're
connected and you want to convert.
>> So basically I will always talk to him
about religion. We will always have
religious conversation. Yeah. Mr.
Rutner. We will always have religious
conversations. Of course. Yeah. Every
once in a while I call and check up on
him.
>> Um so we'll always have conversations.
So he always be like, "Hey, listen. If
you if you want to learn, come to sh sit
down, learn." And then I started
learning Yedish. But once you start to
learn, once you start to basically get
into the Jewish faith, you start to
realize that it's more than Judaism than
than Yedish. You know what I mean? I
want to learn Hebrew, you know what I
mean? I want to read Torah, you know? I
learn I want to learn Torah.
>> You know the olive yet,
>> huh?
>> You know the olive yet?
>> The elf? Not yet.
>> So you don't know Hebrew yet?
>> No. So I know how to have conversations.
>> You like I see you have like few hundred
words you know already.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Like I would say
>> more like 300.
>> 300 words. I can have a convers.
>> But not you don't know what an olive bay
is in zero yet.
>> But like I don't know how to write
Hebrew.
>> You know how to the letters or not yet?
>> No, I just know how to have a
conversation.
>> You know when you work when you Yeah.
socialize. Yes.
>> That's true.
>> So what you were saying?
>> So we go you go back to the life.
>> Yeah. So then you continue. So you you
said you wanted to get in and they were
the Yiddish guys, the guys.
>> Yeah. And they and they and I learned
with them, right? I but then I would
always say like I want to learn Hebrew
and then be like listen we don't really
you know whatever the case may be we're
more we're more focused on this but if
you want we can basically you know what
I mean basically teach you about Hebrew
and stuff like that but that's not our
main thing right
>> so what I did was I was like you know
what maybe I need to go out and start
searching for people that was want to
teach me Hebrew okay
>> and that's when I um met this
authorities and the Bakarians,
>> right?
>> But right now you you dabbad.
>> Yeah, I dive in.
>> So, how did you bump into
>> So, how so it's so crazy because I walk
past that building all the time because
I go to the laundry mat right across the
street from the Kabad and I always will
sense a presence every time I walk by
this Habad all the time. All the time.
All the time. All the time. So,
basically, I go to I go learn Torah in
Mill Basin.
>> By who? By who? um basically the safotic
sh um sophotic synagogue or mil basing.
So basic and he was like listen you know
you're beginning your conversion stage
you need to find a rabbi that's willing
to endorse you because that's one of the
requirements. You need an endorsement
rabbi. You need uh need a shul to
endorse you. So they say we're going to
so basically the shul is going to
endorse you but you need a rabbi to
endorse you. You need somebody close to
your house where you could go spend
Shabbat, where you could go. Yeah. Uh
not even a mentor. More like where you
could go ding every morning, where you
could go learn Torah. You can't come to
Mil.
>> I want to see that you're committed.
>> Yes. So um so we found Rabbi um Rabbi uh
Mendi and he welcomed me in with open
arms and I never looked back since.
>> How many years ago was that?
>> I I actually met him back in July.
>> This year?
>> Yeah. He only started April. Oh, right.
Right.
>> Anything else? Clap or we got
>> No, no, no. Let's keep going.
>> No, I'm I'm loving this.
>> Yeah. So, so basically once I started
meeting him like I guess I had to show
him how serious I was you know and one
thing he always say about me he was like
Devonte one thing about you you are a
sadic you know I mean you it's like just
the way how you you pray just the way
how you how you you know me ding for
hashem is is like you can sense the
presence of you in
>> here's my million-dollar question that's
been on my mind for the last few weeks
since we knew we were we were going to
be interviewing
I'm born Jewish, so we can't eat almost
anywhere. We can't drink almost
anywhere. We can't go almost anywhere.
Our life is full of a million
restrictions. I love it because this is
the life I know
>> and I grew up with and I accepted it and
I embraced it and I love it.
>> But for me to understand how somebody
that could live a perfect life and be
accepted and loved by God, get the every
afterlife, everything amazing, whatever,
>> why would somebody want to put I
understand you grew up in a spiritual. I
for me I'm still shocked that somebody
would choose to come into this religion
and have a million limitations where
they could live a perfect life. Well,
you obviously feel differently, but I'm
saying what is there something I'm still
missing?
>> We're the most hated nation and of all
these restrictions, Devonte. What's
what's the attraction here?
>> It's not it's not it's no attraction.
It's just basically it's just for my
love for Hashem and I know that this is
the one and true religion and I I don't
want to I don't want Hashem think that
I'm idol worshiping.
>> Right.
>> So you know this this is my calling.
This is what I have to do.
>> So you feel this is the ems.
>> Mhm.
>> Right.
>> Amazing.
>> Anything else?
>> Amazing. I love it. Also, also I also
want to add this too is that um
>> I always felt that um that I was a Jew
ever since I was a kid.
>> I always felt it.
>> His Israelite the mother was
>> I I I always felt it since I was a kid.
I always felt it. People even my family,
they used to call me be like, "Oh, like
you cuz like I was always good at math
thanks to my mom." Devonte, would you
say that if you come with the right
energy and attitude, the Jewish
community would accept you?
>> If you what if
>> you come with the right energy, you have
amazing energy. So, not everyone has
your energy, but would you say if you
come with a positive attitude, the
Jewish relationship?
>> It's all about the person himself. Cuz
you could come broken and be fixed
within the Jew, like you could walk up
to a um to a synagogue and be like,
"Rabbi, I'm broken. I need to be fixed."
And you know, and he he will help you.
And that's how and that's some reasons
why people convert too. But mostly most
of the reasons why other people convert
is because they feel the presence of
Hashim within them. So and all of the
and on top of that too if you known that
um when the Torah was given out to many
nations the the majority didn't want to
accept it but the minority wanted to. M
>> but you were one of the Trinidadians
that wanted it then.
>> Devonte, I think you need a new haircut
for it to get to Yammer to stay on.
>> No, no, no. We have a clip. Yeah,
>> we have a clip.
>> So, what's your message to the world,
Devonte? What's your message?
>> Wait, wait, wait. So, let me finish
though. So um so basically Hashem made
them a promise and said listen uh since
your nation didn't want to accept it in
your next life I will convert you and if
you become a sadik within this life you
will in the in your next life if the
Messiah doesn't reveal himself by then I
will make I will reert you with Jewish
religious parents and you'll go to
yeshiva.
>> So our tens of thousands of viewers are
from all areas of life. We have people
from Kabad, yeshivish, modern Orthodox
and some of the viewers are not Jewish
at all. What's your message to the
world?
>> Simka,
>> happiness.
>> Happiness. That's it. That's it. Just
basically
if you if you do a mitzvah, it leads to
another mitzvah like the Rebi would say,
you know. And I think I think a lot of
people have to realize is that
it's not all about it's not all about um
basically about how you feel about each
other and stuff like that. It should be
more about just show just show kindness,
show respect. That's it. Just show
respect. That's it. Because respect go a
long way. And I think a a lot of people
forget that. And yeah,
>> love it. Love it.
>> Thank you so much,
>> Devante. Thanks so much for your time
and your great energy. I think you're
gonna become a rabbi one day. That's my
>> Rabbi Devante. I think you're gonna be a
big rabbi.
>> I Why do I hear that so much, folk? Why
do everybody always
>> Is it going to be a kabad or or mix?
>> Put it like this. It's going to be It's
going to be a temple for everyone to
come.
>> The Devante Kabad Bkarian Center.
>> And what's the chosen Hebrew name? What
are you going with? Oh, I'm going with
um Davididit Ben Aram.
>> There we go.
>> Love it.
>> Bazatashim.
>> Thank you so much.
>> And with Hold on, Devont. You going to
do a beard or no beard?
>> Beard.
>> You going to have a grow a beard?
>> You need a beard?
>> I don't need a beard. I'm going be
different.
>> Listen, as long as as long as I'm
keeping Shabbat, following all the
halas, and I'm doing them doing my
mitzvah.
Thank you so much.
>> Amazing. Thank you so much.
>> Thank you much to the Theorist guys
podcast studio here in the city.
>> Theorist I think is the name of a shirt.
>> No, it's his company, right?
>> The studios.
Isn't there a company? Theory.
>> Yeah. Theory. And your channel is what?
>> Uh theorist podcast.
>> Theorist podcast. Nice people.
>> Beautiful place. Beautiful place.
>> Feel very professional here.
>> Yeah.
>> And thank
>> And uh also I want to thank you guys for
having me. I know we had a few hiccups,
but um I'm finally here.
>> You're a true celebrity. Come, you know,
you hiccups, you can't be a follow-up
like in three years. A good followup.
>> Oh, yeah. 100% 100%. So, let's talk
about current times. What's going on?
What do you think about the the Knessph
in Israel as Jews?
>> The Knesset in Israel.
>> Yeah. What do you think about the
politics in Israel?
>> Uh I don't know.
Do you know do you know it's like a big
thing going on with the circular with
the circle like the non-religious Jews
going after the religious Jews within
the Kness
>> going it's been going on for the last 75
years. It's disgusting because you know
you know that also trickles down to the
military from what I heard that um where
they will hold supplies
from the military because this general
have beef with this general because of a
situation stuff like that.
>> There's a rally going on two blocks away
from here. There's a big rally going on.
Protest the Israeli government for
trying to draft Orthodox people into the
army. That's that's a fight been going
on for the last 75 years as well. I'm
being honest with you. I think everybody
should like, you know what I mean,
defend their country. You know what I
mean? It's like either
>> don't I I feel like don't use try to use
religion for a way out because you don't
want to serve your country because you
have to because at the end of the day,
you you're you're reaping the benefits
of other people.
>> Torah study, they're serving God and the
country by studying Torah. Even David
who was a big conqueror of the Jewish
people conquered you know Jerusalem and
everything. He also agreed that a lot of
people were exempt from the military
because they were studying Torah. David
Bengorian who was completely not
religious. He gave tens of thousands of
uh pur like like releases exemptions.
>> Okay.
>> That people should not serve in the army
and they should study Torah. So this is
already a gray area. I don't know all
the I don't know all the ins and out of
it but it's a very it's very tricky.
Yeah, it really is.
>> Devont, you going to go black and white
acidic or you going to keep your colors
uh when you convert?
>> Uh,
>> you going to keep your style? What's the
deal?
>> Me? Me? I'll just keep Listen, I'm I'm
going be very relig.
But I'll just keep this is me, you know.
This is how I dress.
>> No hunting clothes. The hunting clothes
you going to stick keep with.
>> Yeah. You know, this is this is this is
the way how I like to dress. But u when
I go to sh though, of course, you know,
my mother I'll wear a suit.
>> Very good.
>> Oh, very nice. Very nice. All right,
let's keep it real.
>> Thanks, Devonte.
>> Thank you, guys.
>> Thank you.
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