Why did the Shpole Zaida attack Reb Nachman in 1810?

we just celebrated to beshvat so um it's a great time to talk a little bit about chabad and bresliv i'm working on an upcoming book on these two very important hasidic movements so i want to start a series of discussions stories history about the relationship and philosophy and ethos and just the practical observance observations of these two movements but let me begin by um with a story a story that happened in 1902 and 19 i'm sorry in 1802 and then 1810. so rab nachman was living at the time in zlatapal ukraine which is not far from ukraine that's where the spoiler zeder made his base on in a permanent way and it became known as the spoiler zeder the yehuda laid not rabbi arya labe the family the tradition is yehuda delayed named after i believe the morale of prague of prague anyway so in 1802 he didn't agree with rab nachman's style of teaching siddhis of avoiding hashem which consisted primarily of dancing saying words and not necessarily understanding what you're learning was more uh you know a heartfelt type of an approach the avoider of breast lift as it's known today and for the last 200 plus years there's a lot of discussion in academic in the academic writings about what exactly happened and i'm not going to go into that right now um some is true some is not true some is unknown and i don't uh want to get into that and you know become an opinion sayer on on a matter that's really uh unknown but clearly everyone says that uh the shpolizada really uh bothered rab nachman although bothering doesn't mean you know persecution bothering doesn't mean you know go and hurt him but he definitely didn't approve of his style and therefore since balazeda was the the the rebbe in charge of that region including uh chipola and zlata paul it had nothing moses latipule in 1802 that nothing got just didn't want to fight with them and he and he left for breslif that's when he went for breslau he was born in measure bush being a great grandson of the bel champion of the holy bel champiv and on his way there he's he he passed uman the famous uma that 50 000 people go to rosh hashanah and he told his people that uh after his lifetime he would like to be buried there because he passed the old cemetery there the jewish cemetery and there were thirty thousand jews buried there being murdered nebuchad in 1768 there was a terrible uh pogrom and 30 000 yen were killed and had an affinity for them they would buy kedation ballet monsieur's nephesh self-sacrifice and he wanted he said he wants to be buried there okay and he moves to breslif he's there till and in 1810 a few weeks or so before the great a great fire breaks out in breslif and destroys lots of the city burns that's lots of the city he um he sent the schliak already to uman to find a place to live because his health was deteriorating and he felt it's just a matter of time and therefore it's time to move to oman to get ready for the next world when he comes to oman now and he settles there he uh befriends various muscular people who were in the alight tournament movement which there were quite a few in oman i mean it wasn't just oman it was in many cities but and he um had a good time with them of course his purpose was to elevate them and bring them back to yiddishkai to torah one of them was ramosa bernab schwall landau who was a grandson of the neu de bi yehuda haskalanda that's how things were in those days and um the word got out that nachman is becoming influenced by the masculine which wasn't true but that's the way it seemed heard of this and he wasn't far away in spoiler at the time i believe and he um he again exacerbated the attack on the rab nachman saying you know you see that his derek his approach leads to uh dealing with masculine and uh becoming a moscow now again i'm not sure if the chapala zeida actually said that or intimated it or his people said it but it's interesting that in the late uh late 1800s rabbi hired mayor hellman the one who rolled the safer base rabbi which is a a recording of hit of history of the first three lubavitch and our rabbit says about the base rabbit that we we see from various places that he was a big daikin that he was particular and careful in how he wrote things and what he wrote and he weeded out you know pomices things like that so so the the it was printed i think in 1912 but he gathered information already in the um you know in the late 1800s 1880 80 1890 and he writes the under the name of one of the grandsons of the semester and i believe that's uh the copper state absolutely zalman the bowel mug in others i believe he's referring to him we know that he was close to the corpus of dynasty and represented the ladies both who were children and grandchildren of the tsam athetic it was only later that he um came to the previous arab in the 1920s um and that's a whole other story i wrote about all this in my book about portraits volume number two if you care to follow up on the details but anyway to make a long story short he he asked the the grandson brother hellman asked like what what did they say about the nachman and breslift so he says that that he allowed himself to to to get into this uranus tests trials tribulations and he doesn't say what they are and then he says it's not the way the it should be because we say every morning out of the day we shouldn't be brought hashem should not bring to us tests and he says nevertheless he was a great man and a great warrior implying that he overcame the tests but the fact is that he he says he put himself into a situation of tests and that wasn't something that was acceptable it seems to me that the tests are referring to his engagement in the man with the masculine and we all we know that the masculine is very many times bothered from jews and left it from jews and here we have a situation where breslau such a great sadiq is initiating a relationship with the masculine in a way that's positive and this was unheard of and and very muzzar very strange and very concerning and therefore the spoiler zeder from 1810 all those years to the late 1800s the word on the street was that man you know engaged in missionaries and that's not a thing to do the fact is that many of those grandchildren and great-grandchildren come to oman today a great great grandchildren okay so the fact is that obnoxmen was not a moscow and it was just a way in to be mccart of them but i believe and this is what i want to conclude with how careful one has to be with who he engages with with who he surrounds himself with even if he is pure and he is on the right page and his purpose is to to transform them and to elevate them unless you have a hyrule instruction from a tsadik from arou that that's what you should do you shouldn't do it on your own i recall there were very few people in chabad that were experts in the have though the new testament but they say that immanuel shahad was and also a yid who just passed away of michigan of detroit michigan who came to us came to me in california during the eighties and i had he was there for shabbos and i had a chance to speak to him at length and he told me that he got permission while he was learning in town to become an expert in the new testament so he can schlep people out of cults and he worked with shia and other people to save jewish kids who were never caught in jews for joshua and the like but he needed he needed a special permission you need special permission this is not for everyone and i think that this is something that today breslav hashem just as chabad's thriving breslau was thriving there's over five shules bresliver shoes in monroe and curious yo you know and they're satmar basically who are the attendees and they identify with the the teachings of rab nachman and abner this is a very great movement now 200 years later it's not just surviving it's thriving nevertheless the story tells us how careful one has to be when engaging in a dangerous situation and the connection to sabashida and pasha's bashala and our period we're in is that singing a song one of the great avoiders of wrestling is dancing and singing they dance every time after chakras the morning service and after the evening service dancing it's great to dance it's great to be freylach it's it's it's a requisite and avoids hashem but at the same time we have to know that you have to follow our teachers and we have to follow our messiah and and yes now you could say that nachman was his own trendsetter the fact is that he suffered so much and and the suffering continues as we will continue in this series on bresliv and i will tell you more stories and more historical facts that point to uh a suffering uh for no reason in a way you know just because someone was questioned someone had a concern and suspect that something something terrible was done right and that's my point nothing terrible was done on the contrary but it looked bad so when things look bad you have to consider not going in that direction at all hashem help that we should sing and dance with the kayak of taylor and the coyotes israel and use the positive message that that breslift gives to the world of simcha and hope they should help we should have mashiach because of mamish good shabbos good shabbos good shabbos