Why did Charlie Kirk tell everyone to Keep Shabbat: Land of Israel Guys Podcast

He saw things for what it was. They hate things that are of the Bible. They hate things that are from God. But when you remove God, then you lose all wisdom. >> Want the American way of life, which is, by the way, Christendom. >> Christians, our sacrifice, our toil, our vision, the outgrowth of the scriptures gave us western civilization. Lot of people are saying, "What should we do to keep his memory alive? Go to campuses and dialogue." Yes, that's true. But perhaps have a Shabbat for China. Yeah, >> welcome to the Israel Guys, where we believe that in a world of anti-Israel propaganda and Jew hatred, you should always be connected to the land and people of Israel. Uh, happy to be here along with Rabbis Jeremy Gpel and Arya Bramisay. Joshua Waller is not here, but his father, my father-in-law, Tommy Waller, is here. Uh, glad to have you with us today. It feels very sober. And it just occurred to me before we started recording that today is also September 11th. And obviously everyone knows that yesterday, September 10th, Charlie Kirk was shot and killed. It's kind of difficult to say that. Like very hard to find the words to actually say that. And um all of us here and the guys behind the camera and the rest of our team all talking this morning have like everyone agrees and everything I've seen on line is in agreement as well that this uh event is of monumental proportions and it's something that is shaking America and it's shaking uh Judeo-Christian values and I think honestly it's it's shaking the world as well. So, um, this is going to be a tough podcast to record, I think, but but we we need to take a long hard look at where we're at and who we are and where America's at today. Just um to to to remember Charlie Kirk, who someone that we all followed, I was recently listening to him quite a bit, just so impressed. A guy that's younger than me. He's 31 years old, wife and two young children, led an organization. I think he had like over a thousand employees. Turning Point USA. started when he was 18 years old. Obviously, millions and millions of people a part of the movement. Um he was one of the top broadcasters, podcasters in America. Uh obviously became famous for his uh talks on college campuses and this was where he was shot and killed yesterday. Um he was basically the voice for young people in America and many around the world as well. I know Turning Point USA had chapters in other countries as well. Uh he was like the leader for the next generation. and he was and honestly our team was talking about this morning like what differentiated him from other conservative lead leaders. He's one of the only ones I could think of that is talking the talk and walking the walk because not only is he preaching conservative values, but he's also a dedicated Christian, Christian Zionist. He's someone that uh whenever whenever he would get asked what his advice is for young people in today's time, his response was always get married at a young age, have lots of children, read the Bible, uh and keep Shabbat. Like he literally preached that uh Christians should honor the Sabbath. and he and his wife honored the Sabbath like almost in a Jewish way. Uh turning their phones off for 24 hours every, you know, Friday night to Saturday night night. Um and uh so like really a guy that didn't just talk the talk, but I mean he was leading the way, paving the path. His his uh what he always preached was don't blame others, especially the Jews. And I'll get into that later, I think. Um he said do something yourself. Like you have the power to change you. you have the power to change your generation. Take control of your own life. You know, read the Bible, pray, get married, have a family. Like, that's how you combat uh all of these problems that so many young people feel like they have uh in America today and around the world. So, um, also trying to trying to think and I want to hear y'all's initial thoughts and then also your thoughts on like why Charlie Kirk, but Charlie Kirk was the only Christian at his level in America who unconditionally is still standing with Israel. Like unconditionally, unflinchingly. So many of the other conservative broadcasters and public figures and influences in America have just shifted in the last year so much. and he as much flack as he got and especially recent um last couple years he has stood uh defyingly in in support of the Jewish people in the nation of Israel and um I know he he did get a lot of flack for uh like continuing to platform like Tucker Carlson and people like that but I realized today it struck me why because and this is his famous quote when people stop talking bad things happen he deeply held the belief that there should be freedom of speech and conversation everywhere. And that included people who are anti-Israel or anti-Zionist. Like it's not because he was anti-Israel himself, but it's because he truly believed in letting people talk and uh listening and and that's why he continued to platform and and speak with people of all backgrounds, all faiths, all political views, left green leaning, light right leaning. >> Could we hear that in his own words? Do you mind? I'd like to to play it because hearing it from his heart, it just it could it pierced mine. >> When people stop talking, really bad stuff starts. When marriages stop talking, divorce happens. When civilizations stop talking, civil war ensues. When you stop having a human connection with someone you disagree with, it becomes a lot easier to want to commit violence against that group. What we as a culture have to get back to is being able to have reasonable disagreement where violence is not an option. >> You think that's not emotional violence? How is this what is emotional violence by the way? That I don't know what that is. >> It is harm intentionally perpetrated on another person be another human being that is intentionally targeted at their emotional wellbeing. >> Okay. So feelings mean nothing to me. Isn't why we had the first amendment to try to push our boundaries and to hear things that might make you mildly uncomfortable? >> This doesn't make me mildly uncomfortable. >> Does it make you very uncomfortable? >> It makes me angry. >> Yeah. I always felt that intuitively that his desire to have people like Tucker Carlson who I think especially on Israel he disagreed fundamentally with when he did that I I didn't feel like he's platforming Tucker Carlson. I I I feel like he has faith in truth and in the power of ideas and in the power of dialogue as something I never liked when Jews say they they make uh Holocaust denial illegal. Bad news. No, it shouldn't be illegal. Let it be debated. let it be discussed. There is a truth in the world. And uh and he was a a real believer in that. And I'll tell you on personal level, I've I always liked him. I But I didn't realize until last night that I loved him. I didn't realize it when I came I came back from a kibuts in the south that since October 7th, they had been sent away. They weren't able to be and they just returned to that kibbut. It was very emotional and they went over the traumas that they went through. I drove back and upon arrival I was about to go on a patrol and I got these messages, Charlie Kirk has been shot and I saw this video and my heart shattered and I was shaking for the entire night of the patrol. I was fighting off tears. I'm like, what do I love this man? What is it about him? And the whole world is shaking from this. It seems disproportionate. And it seems like on a deeply subconscious level, we're all recognizing that this is a turning point in American history, possibly in world history. How? Why? I don't think we necessarily know. But I was thinking about it on why was I crying? What was it causing the tears to come out? And I realized it's not that oh, he supported Israel. It wasn't even about Israel. It's about who he was as a person, the beauty of his soul. I I remember that there was that uh one little clip I saw of him where I realized I don't just agree with him that he's a kindred spirit. He was talking about how when he meets presidents and diplomats, he used to be so excited about that. But let me show you the clip. >> And I can tell you I'm super blessed. I have the best wife in the world. We have an amazing life. Building a family is the coolest thing ever. And I my prayer for all of you is that you one day can do that. It's >> that's so cute. >> It's um it's honestly the most joyful thing. And I, you know, I've had some pretty amazing experiences. I've been very, very blessed. Very lucky you could say, but very blessed is the word I would use. And the greatest joy I've ever had is coming home to my little daughter running up to my leg. There's nothing that even comes close to it. Not flying on Air Force One, not meeting with presidents. That's all that pales in comparison to your little girl coming up and squeezing your leg. And so I think that's what devastated me was the human side that he so clearly saw what was true and important in life and that's in his children that he was so filled. I realize he's a kindred spirit for me. Nothing matters more to me than my children. I'm obsessed with them. I love them. They're the future. I'm constantly infusing them with love for God and love for the Torah and and compassion and kindness and love for the land of Israel. And I know that he was doing that with his children. And what happens there is that he's so bonded to his children that his children are bonded to him and his wife is bonded to him. And it's a bonded family. And now that family is shattered and devastated and and it's just thinking about his children. They're like, "Where's my daddy? My my ab, you know, he kept the Sabbath. He kept the Sabbath." You know what happens when you keep the Sabbath? It exponentially empowers the bonding of the family. Don't take my word for it. Listen to what his wife said. >> I would love to know your thoughts on Sabbath and how practically your family practices this and applies it. >> I will let him talk. But as the wife, I will say I have seen it transform. I'm I already I love my husband and he's amazing and an intentional father and husband. But him honoring the Sabbath, I have seen it transform him in a way that is so powerful that when he turns his phone off and it goes in that drawer and he and I know that it's, you know, he's all on for the family, there is no distractions and he finally gets to reset his brain. He finally gets to breathe. And as a wife, there is nothing more precious than my husband's sanity when it comes to the echo chamber and everything that he's dealing with in his world. So, I have seen it change him and impact our family in one of the most beautiful ways. But I want him to >> Well, thank you. And we're very serious Sabbathke keepers. Uh we This would be an exception because we're here with all of you, but we'll do it on Sunday. We actually take the traditional Jewish Sabbath. If you don't want to do that, I'm not here to debate you on it. It's fine. If you want to do it privately, I'll beat you. But that's a whole separate issue. But uh it's fine. It doesn't it actually doesn't matter that much. What does matter is I think that to our own detriment and to our own failure, we as Christians have decided to cast away resting on one of the seven days. God rested after creation. That comes before the Hebrews. It comes even before the creation of the of the of the modern world and civilization as we know it. And so we honor the Sabbath. We're very serious about it. We get to spend more time with our family. We do no news. We do no work. And it says very very clearly in the scriptures, for six days you shall work and the seventh day you shall rest. >> You know, speaking from as a as a Christian, um there's something about that because I think it's the you know, in Isaiah 56, the verse before the house of prayer for all nations that you know, I came to Israel, you you hear it incessantly. It's what you hear here. you're you're speaking about Jews speaking about this. Um for me that that verse before it says that the the nations are going to basically keep Shabbat. It's like um the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to the Lord uh to serve him and to love the name of the Lord to be his servants. Everyone who keeps from defiling this the Sabbath. And I think there's there's something about that. I know when I came here, you know, I was say, "Hey, I I'm keeping Shabbat. Give me a hug. Why? Why are you keeping Shabbat, you know, like this is our deal, you know, and God does say this is a sign between me and you, you the Jews, you the Israel." And so, but here in this kind of this age to come, there's going to be this thing where we where we start doing maybe our version of Shabbat. Okay. the 39 Holocah still kind of dealing with that, you know, how does that look or how does that, you know, how does that work? >> I mean, what he just described there, that is blessed in the eyes of the Lord, >> right? >> Not all the details and the nuances, you know, that's almost like that's the work of the high priests. That's the work of the nation of Israel. All that, but the essence of it, I believe that the world should keep, you know, and and a lot of people are saying, what should we do to keep his memory alive? Go to campuses and dialogue. Yes, that's true. but perhaps have a Shabbat for Charlie. >> Yeah. You know, >> wow, that's great. I love that. >> So, >> but the the big thing that I wanted to point here is that >> I think this could be the secret of why he was so attached to Israel. >> Um because why was I so attached to Israel? I started, you know, keeping Shabbat. He started blessing my children. I I didn't grow up in a family that that where I was blessed or, you know, these affirmative words were, you know, spoken over me. But I started doing it because it was it was what you do. What I heard this is this is what you do. You bless your children. You um you you observe this. It's part of the the it's part of observing this the Shabbat. But it attached for me it was the attachment to Israel. It was that significant. It attached me to the people of Israel. It gave me a a new profound respect and love for the people of Israel. whereas not doing that growing up the different ways though I was no there was no attachment uh to the land and the people of Israel and I think that they were going to see more people that are going to be like Charlie and like myself who it it it changed the trajectory of everything that I did after that millions of Christians visit Israel every year but hardly any of them come to the heartland of Israel Judea and Samaria unfortunately they're missing out on the place where a lot of the Bible was either written or took place. You can't go anywhere in Israel's biblical heartland and not be in the middle of a biblical site. Most tours to Israel, however, ignore this incredible region because they think it's the occupied West Bank. Our Heartland Experience trip is the only Israel trip that focuses exclusively on Israel's biblical heartland, Judea, Jerusalem, and Samaria. 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I want to hand it over, but I I just sort of want to culminate by saying exactly what you said to change the trajectory. There's a a Jewish belief that in some ways when the righteous die, when they leave the world, their soul is released. You know, they're able to accomplish in some ways exponentially more after their death than they did in their life. And I'm already feeling that coming from him because I think the reason I cried was not because of anything he has ever said. It's because who he is speaks so much louder than what he said. And he was a man that exuded kindness and compassion and faith and courage and a type of holistic goodness that the world really needs right now. >> Yeah. It's like it's only been hours and already I've seen like clips surfacing on social media like unearthing him as a younger man, but it's all about like his the side people didn't even know about how kind he was, how humble he was. You know, typically that usually like awful clips come out like you didn't know this side of this person. It seems to me and I mean we'll we'll see, but it seems to me like the opposite's going to happen here. Jeremy, um, I want to hear your reaction of what, you know, what was your reaction to to this happening? And also, why do you think this feels so monumental? >> Yeah, it feels monumental. I mean, the ripple effects have reached all the way to Judea, in Samaria, across the world. And I didn't know how much I liked him. I mean, I always liked him. I was always have, you know, positive feelings toward him. But then when I heard this, it like shook me to my core. And I feel like he represented everything that America should be, everything that America could be. And it was all based around faith. And you know, everyone's trying to now commemorate and remember him. But I actually found a video where he said what he would want to be remembered as. Check this out. >> Everything just goes away. How would you, if you could be associated with one thing, how would you want to be remembered? I want to be I want to be remembered for for courage for my faith. That that would be the most important thing. Most important thing is my faith. >> So he wants to be remembered for courage for his faith. There is something that is so biblical about that. Something that is so Jewish about that in its essence courageous faith. And now to look at his life, it was the most courageous. It was really to put everything on the line. I mean, I remember when we were planning for the Israel summit, venue after venue was cancelled because it was a threat to speak about Israel publicly. Now, what's going to happen to conservative values in America? What's going to happen to anything connected to the Bible in America? There will be no more public events. There'll no be no more outside events, no more inside events. I mean, what is the response? And to me, civilization was birthed out of the Bible. That was Israel's greatest gift to the world. And America is our little brother. Even though a lot of times they're like our big brother. They're the ones that got our back. In some ways, they're really our little brother. That Israel really gave birth to American civilization because it grew out of scripture. It grew out of the values of the Bible. And now those values are being attacked at its core. And Charlie wasn't just a podcaster. He wasn't just a broadcaster. He wasn't just a teacher. He really was the leader of a movement inside America and that's why he was targeted because he was really shifting things. >> Yeah. I was um trying to figure out Oh, and by the way talking about events in America like we were literally 3 weeks ago talking about the Israel Summit and obviously our audience is wondering like why have we not come out with an announcement about the Israel Summit. We were we were still trying to figure it out three weeks ago and one of the ideas was a public rally uh basically in Texas or somewhere else and after what happened yesterday I'm thinking there's no way like there's no way to have a public rally in support of Israel. The question is could we even have a private event and that's like we can get into more of that later but it just feels like this is a new level for America. But um I was trying to think like why was Charlie Kirk uh targeted cuz there's a lot of outspoken uh influencers and leaders on the conservative side, on the liberal side, right? And um I was thinking about how you have a lot of right-wing conservatives who've kind of gone off in a weird direction, right? You have a lot of people uh touting anti-ionism, Jew hatred, anti-semitism, conspiracies, the wild theories, wild stories like now the tendency to blame everything on the CIA or the MSAD, which obviously, you know, you could guess, but people are already blaming Charlie Kirk's death on the MSA. You know, >> they were demonizing Charlie for being so pro-Israel and now they're blaming Israel for killing him. It's just unbelievable. >> It's like gotten popular on the conservative side to blame everything on the Jews. >> I don't know if you saw you saw this quote. This is a very mainstream said, "I'm not going to name names, but I was told by someone close to Charlie Kirk that Charlie thinks Israel will kill him if he turns against them." >> It's just wild, right? And so, like I was trying to think why was he targeted because you got people just touting all kind of stuff, right? blame this on the Jews, this prison experiment, this, you know, the uh the USS Liberty story, uh this on the MSAD, the we never went to the moon, uh Burgit Mcronone's uh uh or you know, as a man, just wild stuff, right? And then you have Charlie Kirk who his entire message is get married, have children, read the Bible, don't hate the Jews, stand with Israel, uh love freedom, and he's the guy that gets targeted, right? And and I think part of the reason is because he saw a simple truth that the talking heads are starting to confuse the world about which is that, you know, he said Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America. He said he saw very clearly what this is about. That this is about the war against the global jihad. The whole jihad is seeking the throat of Tucker Carlson. Yet they're trying to conflate and make it about the the Shia and the Sunnis and the this and the that and complicate things where he saw the basic truth of what this whole global war is about. Listen to it in his own words. The spiritual battle is coming to the west and the enemies are wokeism or Marxism combining with Islamism to go after what we call the American way of life. And the American way of life is very simple. I want to be able to get married, buy a home, have kids, allow them to ride their bike till the sun goes down, send them to a good school, have a low crime neighborhood, not to have my kid be taught the lesbian, gay, transgender garbage in their school, while also while also not having them have to hear the Muslim call to prayer five times a day. That's important. We want the American way of life which is by the way Christendom. >> Christians, our sacrifice, our toil, our vision, the outgrowth of the scriptures gave us Western civilization. And this is where I think is a great rallying cry. Doesn't matter if you're Hispanic. Doesn't matter if you're Asian. Doesn't matter if you're black or white. Everybody, if you are Christian and Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior, these two threats are combining forces to come after us. And it's time that the church stands and rises up against it. >> Right. And he's he when he and when he says Christendom, I'm not putting words in his mouth. He is saying Christendom from the Bible. The Bible, the Bible of God that the nation of Israel brought to the land of Israel. And you can see it reflected in his love for Israel that he when he went to campuses and defended Israel, he wasn't only just a talking head that said, "Well, it says in Genesis 12:3, he who blesses Israel will be blessed." He did believe that there that was the foundation of his faith. But he also saw it with uh simple clarity the righteousness of Israel's actions and the righteousness of Israel's cause went into the belly of the lion at Cambridge University and debated these smug entitled intellectual you know anti-Israel anti-West with with a with a purity and a simplicity. There's something simple about him in a brilliant way. You know what I'm talking about? Do you understand where I'm coming from? That's what what what I felt about him. And because what is the interest of the Tucker Carlson's of the world? When they are able to make it where it's not about the global jihad against the rest of the world in the West, then he can say, "Well, Qatar is an ally. >> Qatar is one of America's best allies, even though Qatar is funding kamas. That's he's able to be like, "Oh, no. Hamas, Iran, that's Israel's problem. That's not America's problem." He's able to create a distance between American and Israel and say, "Oh, it's just Israel's beef with the countries around >> Carlson said this week, is Hamas actually a terrorist organization? Are they jihadis?" I I don't know. I'm not real sure. I think maybe they're just a political organization. Like he said, >> is Iran Israel's problem? Is Iran America's problem? Yeah. I can't remember the last time we had an Iranian attack on America. That's Israel's problem. and he wants to make it seem like, oh, it's just a a regional conflict and not a deeper thematic ideological, spiritual, religious conflict, which is what it obviously is that Charlie Kirk saw. And I think that that's the big threat. And the truth is that we don't know. We don't go ahead. Well, the big question is always, how could it be that these West liberal woke progressives align themselves with Islam? Their values are totally not connected. They're, in fact, they're antithetical to each other. and he saw things for what it was that both of them want to destroy civilization because civilization was birthed out of scripture and they hate things that are of the Bible. They hate things that are from God. But when you remove God, then you lose all wisdom and you start calling boys girls and girls boys and you start creating absolute chaos. The same chaos that the kamas creates physically in Gaza. The woke create chaos in people's minds. And so that's why Solomon says, King Solomon, the beginning of wisdom is the fear of God. That just the beginning of wisdom, just to have simple common sense starts with belief in God, starts with fearing the Lord. Once you remove that, everything turns into chaos. And that's why it's amazing that Charlie's like, "What I want to be remembered for is my courageous faith." And he speaks of American civilization being birthed out of faith, out of the Bible. And that's why he was attacked. And I think that that part of what what you're saying here is is that, you know, and and going back to even what Luke was saying about what do we do now? How do we how do we get the message out? Because u terrorism, as we've said many times, is working. Uh it's putting fear in the people that shouldn't have fear. He said be, you know, he wants to be courageous. So how do we be courageous? What what does that mean today? you know, does it mean that we we actually do the events or or do we just start backing down? What because what I'm hearing is okay, the Israel summit is is not something that we can even think about now. Israel then terrorism wins, right? How how does how does it not win? How do we how do we how do we combat how do we keep this legacy going? And and because it has to keep going, right? You can't you can't you can't shut it down. Not now. Right now is the time we have to get engaged. Right now is the time we we get up and we start fighting. How many people how many Jews have been we we lost 10 Jews this week in a terrorist event. I mean, I know that we're we're so far away from that news story. We just a few days ago, but literally six people murdered by by jihadist and and and and four of our our soldiers ambushed. >> Well, once we realize that Charlie Kirk was assassinated because of his faith, because of what he represented, then we look at the terror attack in Israel and realize, oh, they're not disjointed. Those are actually fundamentally corrected that when evil arises in the world, it'll start in Israel. But it's just a matter of time until it reaches America and it reaches the rest of the world. But I've really been thinking about that all morning. What can America do? Well, how should America respond? And the and the truth is I don't know if America has a way to respond at this point. Like there's a place like England right now, forget about it. They are lost. America. There still might be a glimmer of hope as a country, but I feel like maybe the only response that America can have is for each and every American individual to take something on to actually act with faith in their own private lives. That it has to be a something that emerges from the people because I don't think America as a country has the ability to stop what's happening right now. Well, but America is a country of individuals. And I think that those people that loved Charlie, that are broken by this, that want to take some of that life force and imbue it within themselves. What was one of the most distinctive factors about him? I think that he really had faith in humanity. >> He believed in people, right? You said he was giving a talk in uh in Utah. He wasn't giving a talk. He was dialoguing. He was a living embodiment of dialogue, right? which means I hear from you and you hear from me. I'm not. It's easy to be a >> only the protesters. He only wanted the people that were disagreeing with him to speak, >> right? And he always treated them with respect. He saw them as human beings that came from fundamentally a good place. And uh and it takes a lot of faith to to believe in that because you know we don't know who killed him. We don't know. But but I do want to say this. We don't know who killed him because one I saw someone say that it's in Russia's interest to do this. Maybe that cuz it was clearly a professional job that the guy was able to get away in the whole thing and the decoys and whatever. So maybe was I can imagine in Putin's interest to possibly fracture and divide America, have us kill each other and think, but it doesn't help the glee and the joy and the reing that I've seen from the left uh in response to this. >> The same people that were condemning the elimination of the kamas leadership are celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk. It's disgusting. It's it's it's it's revoling. It's disgusting. And it's distressing, right? Because it's if we're going and we're saying to the the American population that loves Charlie Kirk and his message, believe in people. And you're saying who to believe in those people that are celebrating orphans and widow and brokenness and devastation. And a guy that to me, he wasn't even controversial. He wasn't controversial. What was so threatening about him is that he wasn't >> is that he really came with a message of love and belief in humanity and that was the real threat. That was the real threat. That's >> why like why should it be controversial to promote life and family and Judeo-Christian values and conversation? >> Yeah. Um, and like literally he said uh like not talking, not being willing to talk without uh or or you know without leading to violence or hating each other is is like the downfall. I want to um talk a little bit about his Zionism because he was a an outspoken Zionist. There's a photo of him holding the Israeli flag in front of the the cave of the patriarchs in Hebron which is next level. Like if you if you come to Israel, especially of someone of his stature and his uh uh you know how how large of a following he has and you go straight into Judea and Samaria and you go to Hebron, you go to the cave of the patriarchs, which is like one of the most hotly contested pieces of real estate in the world, you're a Zionist. There's like no no ifs, ands, or buts about it, right? Um but people still wonder like why is Tucker Carlson being invited to speak at uh you know his conference in this year, things like that. Um so people wondered, right? But I want to read a quote of his uh about the Jewish people and Israel. He said, "I am a defender of Israel as a homeland for the Jewish people. When I went to Israel, I saw the Bible come to life. We as Christians must honor the Jews. If Israel laid down their weapons, all the Jews would be killed. Israel has a place in God's plan." So, there's no question in my mind that he was an ardent Zionist. He was an unconditional supporter of Israel, of the Jewish people, that he honored the Jewish people. honored the Jewish scriptures, honors the Shabbat. Um, and he h he unconditionally condemns uh Jew hatred. I believe he even called it that, like which is a a level of understanding to move past uh it's just anti everybody throws out the word anti-semitism. He he literally said, "No, Jew hatred and going down the rabbit hole online, the conspiracies and the theories and all this crazy lies." He said, "It will literally rot your brain." He called it brain rot. It's a mind virus. It'll ruin you. It's a disease that will destroy you from within. Like he he couldn't say it. And he warned he has warned the next generation of young people. Do not let this this disease of Jew hatred rot you. And he said he didn't just say it because uh like it was coming from a place of personal well-being. It's not about we need to stand with Israel. We need to support the Jewish people. He said no. This will destroy you. It will destroy your mind, your brain. It'll it'll eat you from within. Can I just play a clip that's that's a perfect demonstration of that in one of his dialogues on campus. Watch this. >> What do you mean how they're killing little kids, man? >> Hold on. Killing kids. You mean Wait. They they drop they drop leaflets before they bomb in Gaza. >> They warn civilian corridors before they ever engage militarily. They do they do emergency medical procedures for any person in Gaza that might need it. Do you understand what's actually >> they're doing good, but it's okay for them to do bad then? That's >> it's called war. Okay. And in war sometimes bad things happen. Who started this? It's not a war crime. Throwing around war crime is a ridiculous. You know what a war crime is? A war crime is going into going into kabutzas, going into the Nova Music Festival, going into people's places of residences on October 7th and putting >> So, okay, you guys keep bringing up October 7th. You guys are doing pretty important. >> You got Okay. >> If you're going to all of a sudden detect Jews on their holiest day of the interior of Israel, expect a whirlwind and don't complain about it when it comes forward. So, so what's happening is that so basically what Israel doing is bad. Hamas is doing is bad. Okay. >> I'm not even contending what Israel is doing is bad. >> So what Israel doing isn't bad. Killing children isn't bad is what you're saying. >> Hold on a second. But you have to go instance by not Are they intentionally killing kids? Is that what you're saying? >> No, they are not. That is completely dead kids. Why are you okay? >> A good question. Why are there dead kids? Do you think Israel Do you think Israel sits around they say we're going to How do we kill more kids in Gaza today? I mean, so why are they killing kids then? >> Exactly. Let's think. Maybe it's because Hamas uses the kids as human shields on top of their military bases. Maybe that's why. Maybe because the people of Hamas have no concern for the life of their own people. >> I think another question is, you know, how do we replicate a Charlie Kirk? How do we bring Charlie Kirk? Who who's going to take his place, you know? And I think that maybe the answer is not maybe who is is like how many because we we have people that are not speaking that say they stand with Israel churches, congregations in our world that need to be taking the boldness of of Charlie Kirk, you know, they he needs to be um he needs to be replicated. Uh first is because Charlie, we know him. you you spoke about it, Jeremy, that he's he he's very courageous in his faith. And I'm and I'm wondering uh do we have that kind of faith? Do we have that kind of courageous faith in the church? Because a lot of our congregation, a lot I can hear the pastor saying, you know, some of my congregation are very are listening to Candace Owens. They're listening to Tucker Carlson and how can I, you know, how can I take a position on these things? No, take a position. It's biblical. This is the biblical narrative. Charlie's preaching and teaching and and and bringing to dialogue a biblical narrative. Just preach the word. Um that that's the thing that I think that has to be has to be established. And the church has failed on that. Even here we are 70 what 78 now we're approaching uh the 78 years since 1948 that we we we lost our replacement theology. our supersessionism. Well, that that whole theology went out the window. I don't care how you you just can't talk that way anymore. You have no grounds to talk that way anymore. So, what do we do now? So, Charlie gave us a an example. Gave every pastor an example. Well, I think really the faith of America is going to be tested now because when you have faith, then you will rise up like Israel. That's the truth. With the all the hardships and all the terrorism and this neverending war, this war has turned Israel from a little turtle into a dragon that's able to attack the kamas leadership thousands of kilometers away. It's brought out a lion. And when you have faith, the hardships, the challenges, it gives you the perspective and the tools to emerge sometimes even stronger. And so right now, conservatism, biblical America, the believers of America, they've been hit hard. But I think with proper faith, they really can emerge even stronger. And each one will have to rise up just like what you're saying. >> Yeah. I think uh it's a good reminder for us because, you know, when we when you do what we do, media, videos, podcasting, news, all that kind of stuff, it's very easy to get sucked into politics. It's very easy to get sucked into the the back and forth and the fake news and the propaganda and just trying to get the truth out. And sometimes we need that reminder to step back and say actually that's not what it's about. It's actually about uh the Bible and it's about a war for good and evil and it's about getting back to morality. Uh it's not just conservative values. It's it's morality and it's uh Judeo-Christian values. It's the scriptures Charlie >> and it's about truth. You know, it's a fundamental Jewish belief that truth is God's seal. If you simply tell the truth in life, it is the most liberating thing. Jordan Peterson talks about this. Why? Because you're when you're lying and manipulating, you're saying, "I know which way my life should go, this way or that way." But when you just tell the truth, God's hands are on the steering wheel. And that's why I feel like he was a real lover of the Jewish, a real friend of the Jewish people. Why? Because someone that just allies with the Jewish people or feels like they're they're they will say things they don't want to alienate their friends, but a real friend tells you what you need to hear. And uh and you know, he was accused of being an anti-semite. Charlie Kirk. In October 2023, uh after October 7th, Kirk drew controversy after he derided Jewish philanthropy to American universities for quote subsidizing your own demise by supporting institutions that breed anti-semites and endorse genocidal killers. and all these Jews. The irony is that these far-left Jews that are giving all of this money to universities that are also being funded in the tune of billions by Qatar and by China that are infusing these kids with far-left values in order to undermine the entire nation understanding that that's where the ideas of the next generation are born against Israel and against the Jewish people. these far-left Jews that don't even identify truly as Jews then pull out their Jewish identity as a cudgel to call him an anti-semite when really he's just speaking the truth. >> Yeah, >> these Jews are giving huge amounts of money to universities that are creating not only anti-Israelism but anti-semitism, Jew hatred directly. He he was simply telling the truth. Yeah, I think it I think it's really important to differentiate between actual anti-semitism and Jew hatred and criticism of Israel or the Jewish people. Um, and that that is a fine line and a lot of people do really get it wrong and and wrongly accuse people of that. And all all of us here would agree. I mean, you I mean, you're an Israeli. You're an Israeli Orthodox Jew and like you don't have a problem criticizing the Israeli government. I don't have a problem with that. Um, it's it's politics. It's a free world. It's democracy. or, you know, talk about Apac's influence in the US government. I don't care. Like I don't like Apac. Like I if they lost all their influence of the US government, fine. You know, like there's no problem with that. >> That would be a good thing, >> I think. >> Probably. Yes. Very, very probably. Or talking about US aid Israel. Talk about it. Debate it all you want. You know, there's an argument that it would be better for Israel to have to stand more firmly on their own two feet. Jew hatred and anti-semitism is is wrongly accusing the Jewish people of uh lies and engaging in in propaganda and and uh removing the right for them to live in their homeland as a sovereign nation, a sovereign people. It's very important to make that distinction and I think that's exactly um uh it's very clear that Charlie Kirk was a biblical faith-based Christian Zionist who believed and >> I think that to your point there that you know from our perspective you know looking at Jews that support terrorism is kind of like the same way we would look at queers for Palestine you know like why would why why do Jews okay was my question why why do Jews want to support the people that want to kill him. >> You're asking me you're asking me a little question. Okay. Well, I mean to to unpack because that is confusing to to us. >> So, there's there's a few reasons to unpack that without going too into depth because that could be an entire program. There are thousands of years of baggage that Jews are carrying around with them. And so let's say the those Jews that don't necessarily believe in God or the Torah or whatever. Then you look at Jewish history and you say, "Wow, every single nation that we've been to has hated us." But some were rich. They hate us for being rich. They hate us for being poor. They hate us for being capitalist. They hate us for being communist. It doesn't matter. Whatever it is for being it's able to defend yourself. >> It's when we're not able to defend ourselves when we are able. It it's a shape-shifting thing. And that it's a type of hatred that doesn't apply to any other people. So you can either walk away and say there's something unique about us. Maybe we have a special mission by God who is who is leading the hearts of the nations to help us understand our mission or there's no God and so it must really be our fault. Our skirt was too short. We were asking for it. Right? And there's also this belief few this quixsotic silly belief that if they side with our enemies then they will be spared the eventual fate that the rest of the Jewish people would have to face. You know we saw this in in Germany. There was like an entire organization big movement of Jews supporting Hitler and they understood yes maybe this isn't in our best interest as Jews but we support Hitler. Germany is our Israel and Berlin is our Jerusalem. the fatherland and we support Hillary in the belief that they would be able to dodge that fate and they ended up in the gas chambers of Awitz right next to those uh you know religious orthodox side curl Jews with in the eyes of the world Jews are Jews and there's no dodging that faith but I hope that answered your question to some believe at least too >> well I think a lot of times abused children blame themselves for their parents' abuse and so the Jewish people outside of the land are still suffering from that exile mentality blaming themselves for being persecuted. And but inside Israel, something is shifting. There is a change that's happening where the Jewish people are becoming who we were always meant to be. And that is at least in my mind a process that we're going through in this two-year war. >> Yeah. And just one thing, I think there's a prophecy that he fulfilled u possibly more than most others. I think maybe you guys are are among the others that do um from Psalm 126, right? When we return to Zion, we'll be like dreamers. Right? It says, "And then the righteous of the nations will say, "Look at the great things God has done with you." And then the nation of Israel will say, "Look at the great things God has done with us." To hear the Charlie Kirks of the world, which are few and far between, a righteous remnant of the world, stand with to the Jewish people and say, "God is with you. God is protecting you. You are a blessed people." to hear that from him who we've heard is Christendom and a Christian. It it does something to the hearts of Israel and fortifies us and comforts us and strengthens us in a in a very special. >> Yeah. You know, I told that to our volunteers this morning. I said, "You guys, you may you all love Charlie Kirk, but and you may say, "How can I how can I do that?" I said, "You're doing it. You're doing it just by coming here and standing going out and harvesting a vineyard, you know, to to make a declaration to the world that you know what it's not just a Jewish thing it's it's all of us now all of us on board and I said you you guys are the heroes you're changing you're changing the story you know really we we it wasn't that long ago that we had a terrible story with amongst each other I mean to deal with each other and here we are we're doing you guys are doing a podcast by the way I'm really honored to be here with you guys and and uh obviously you know, replacing Joshua. I'm not sure that I can I can do that, but you know, he is my son and I had to make that statement. You should be very proud. >> Yeah. Yeah, I am. >> So, you know, this this is these are small things, but but replicating how do we everybody's saying, "How do we get another, you know, how do we get another Charlie Kirk? How do we how is that?" No, we all need to carry his legacy. I mean, that's going to bring him to a higher elevation. I believe that's Judaism, right? >> Sure. that that's the part of it. >> Well, when I try to soulsearch and think, okay, what light did he bring into the world that that light needs to continue to shine? And to me, what sort of differentiated him from everyone was the fact that he had a dialogue. I mean, the Talmud, the Jewish oral tradition of 3,000 years is exactly that. It's arguing. It's arguing. And even when one side loses the argument, we don't erase that side. We let the argument stand because we believe in truth. And ultimately if God is one, God is reality and beyond. He created all of this, then this whatever is the truth. It is the truth. So let the truth speak for itself to really believe in the truth. Because right now we're not only being assaulted by lies, we're literally being assaulted by anti-truth. It's like the people that called to exterminate the Jews and wipe Israel off the map. Now they're the moderate peaceloving negotiators in Qatar. It's like really that's the opposite of the truth. No, the Jews are targeting civilians and committing a genocide. The they literally came in did genocide not only they targeted a simple peaceloving music festival. Everything that they're saying is the opposite of the truth. It's the anti-truth. And so what is the antidote to that? Just speak the truth. Represent the truth because the truth ultimately will prevail. And so that would be my encouragement to all of our listeners is that adopt that part of Charlie and really represent the truth in the world because the truth will ultimately come out. >> Amen. I >> I'll tell you I Charlie Kirk may not have been a Jew. He obviously was not a Jew but he was a Hebrew. >> He was a Hebrew, right? Because that's what Abraham was. What Abraham was a Hebrew and what are the word Hebrew in Hebrew? It means I which is comes from the word e. Why? because the whole world believed in one thing and Abraham said, "No, I don't care if the whole world believes in it. I'm standing on the other side." He was on the other side. And Charlie Kirk with that Sabbath video really drove that point home. He could say, "I'm the head of this big movement, and if I am now not keeping the Christian Sunday, but the Jewish Shabbat, I'm going to alienate so many of my own followers, and I can divide my movement, and I can't do that because for the good of the movement." And there's a lot of rationalizations he could have made to either hide his Sabbath observance, but no, he said, "This is the truth, and if I'm going to walk in the truth of God, if it means I lose everything, I'll lose everything." >> Yeah. He invited everybody into his tent, right? That's literally I think that he was he was really a role model in that way. He's like, "The Ten Commandments say to keep the Sabbath on the seventh day on Saturday." And he's like, "That's what the Ten Commandments are. That's what I'm promoting is a return to the values of the Ten Commandments. How can he not?" and he just literally walked the walk that he taught. >> And that's how he started the Utah event. He was in Utah and people someone asked a question to try to spark some sort of division about his stance on Mormons. And he's like, I'm not here to debate theology. I love Mormons. I love the Mormon people. I love the Church of Latter-day Saints. And I'm here just to share with you and talk with you, not to try to change you. You know, there's something just a humility and a love in that that I think if that's unleashed. Jeremy said, "What can America do?" The power of love is very strong and and there is still hope. I think there really is still hope. If there is hope for Ninve, right? When the prophet Jonah stood there and said, "Repent. Repent." If if anything, if Charlie's death is a echo of that message of repentance for America and it could bring at least those that loved him to a deeper place, it could really change the fabric of the nation. >> I also really agree with that. The enemies of Israel and the enemies of Charlie Kirk are driven by hate. They hate so much that they're really to align with their own enemies just because they hate the other so much. They are driven primarily by a hatred. And he was driven primarily by a love for humanity. And so to spread that can only be good. >> I want to read a couple quotes. Um first BB Netanyahu said Charlie Kirk was murdered for speaking truth and defending freedom. A lionhearted friend of Israel. He fought the lies and stood tall for Judeo-Christian civilization. I spoke to him only two weeks ago and invited him to Israel. Sadly, that visit will not take place. Um, but on the Shabbat topic, uh, I I saw a quote by Dennis Prager and just read a little bit of it. Um, well, first he said, "As a committed Jew, I thank God regularly that a non-Jew, a committed Christian, became one of the few great public spokesman on behalf of Israel and the Jewish communities outside of Israel." But then he said um he said Charlie visited me in the various hospitals. Dennis Prager was paralyzed last year. Um and he brought me the manuscript as of his forthcoming book arguing that everyone Christians as well as Jews should observe Shabbat, the Jewish Sabbath, just as he and his family had begun to do from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. I think that's that's just really cool that m it sounds like maybe I don't even know if it's out. I don't I have no idea but may maybe there will be a bookish in his memory written by him about why Jews and Christians should honor the >> you know just now they released Rabbi Jonathan Sax's Bible where he actually wrote a commentary on the entire Bible and they just released this this is 5 years now after he's passed away like it would be really meaningful that would be an immediate bestseller that I would buy you know when I'm into it I buy copies of books I don't buy books in singles I buy them in bulk and I just give them to people that come to mind. That's a book that I would give out. >> Oh, for sure. >> I don't even need to read it. >> I know already. >> I have a thought that I have not fully processed yet and it it's difficult to process too, but uh I want to share cuz I was thinking I was wondering like how does this feel so different from when Trump got shot, right? Cuz that was also a monumental event. Um if you know when you when you look at the situation with Trump, I don't think there's anyone that could argue that it was a not a miracle of God that Trump was wasn't actually shot and killed, right? like the the video, the everything like God intentionally spared Trump's life and it has I mean the only explanation is that God has something for President Trump to do. And I mean I'm I'm not like a huge Trump fan. I I you know he has problematic morals and personal life and some of his political decisions we don't agree with. But I do believe that God has something for Trump to do and that's why he spared his life. And you look at Charlie Kirk yesterday and you wonder like why was he shot and killed? And then you look at his life and how he walked the walk and he talked the talk and he led the way and he blazed the path not just like on a political level or a conservative level or an influencer level but like personally like he led a movement of millions of people and the only thing I can come up with is that uh God's plan in this situation is to use his death for a greater purpose. >> Yeah. And that remains to be seen. Like what does that look like? But that is the only and and it's so difficult. Like you left behind a wife and like a one-year-old and a two three-year-old girls. Um it's horrific. It's horrible. But there, you know, the only I guess kind of comfort or solace to think about is that somehow God is going to do something greater through his death. But also, I think it's a it's a kind of a warning for us and for people watching and listening is like don't let his death be in vain, >> right? You know, he actually delivered his own eulogy. I I saw this this video clip. It's so powerful. Listen to this. >> I mean, I've had an unbelievably blessed life. Uh been doing this now. It will be 12 years on June 5th. >> Such a young man to do it. >> So young. >> Yeah. So, praise God. I mean, I've been all across the world. I've met with world leaders. I've flown in Air Force One. Got to know a president. Hopefully he becomes president again. We get, you know, I I have amazing family. The podcast, Turning Point USA is all that stuff. And so you you experience that and you're like, what actually matters? What matters is your relationship with the divine, your relationship with your family, your kids, and maybe a close collection of friends and your relationship with the truth. You know, I've heard it said he he lived he may not have had as many days in his life as we would have liked. That's true. He didn't have so many days, but he had a lot of life in his days. And when I think about my friend Ari Fold that was murdered and he who was able to turn around as he was bleeding out, stabbed in the heart, bleeding out and turn around and shoot the terrorist, not only in his final act of heroism in his death, but in his entire life. And then I think about his children raised on the legends of their father, his grandchildren, his great-grandchildren, his great great grandchildren. How many people's great great grandchildren are powerfully and strongly influenced by them? Charlie Kirk, I can guarantee you his great great grandchildren will still be influenced by him because thank God so much of his teachings and who he was has been shared online and they can be raised by this and it can it penetrate their hearts not only as children but the entire world. So there's a there is an unleashing and I I want to bless his soul. Not only that he should go up elevation to elevation because yes, I'm a Jew and he's a Christian and we have different understandings of God, but I guarantee you that he is going straight to heaven. And I don't care what he's been through and what his things cuz, you know, he was he was a very um vulnerable and honest person. And I saw a podcast where he was speaking to women that were sort of off the the proper path in life. And he shared that he went through a serious period of his life where he was struggling with pornography. He shared that he was so that the honesty involved in that because so many struggle with that. And he said, "I'm Charlie Kirk. I'm this guy and that is something I struggled with and I overcame it and now I'm walking with purity before God." That is so moving to me. It is so powerful that you know that is that type of thing reverberates throughout history. Yeah. >> So what do y'all think like where what did cuz obviously people especially people in America I think now are afraid and they're wondering like what do we do? Like where do we go from here? I know we can give the big picture. Um and we could talk about that now's not the time to be afraid. Obviously public events, people are scared to death, but the the bold response would be have more public events, but I don't know, do you guys have thoughts like what can people in America and around the world uh do? >> I think one thing that it seems like our our youth are looking for something. Charlie spoke to the youth of America mainly, but maybe the youth of the whole world, but he he his target was the this young generation and they're raising up without a cause. What do the youth are they're motivated for the cause? Um, I think if we can get back to the the biblical narrative in in the Bible itself, if we can just bring that back to families, if we can bring it back to our congregations, Jewish congregations, Christian congregations, can bring that that moral um that moral compass back to understand where what what are we willing we could say what are we willing to live for and and maybe that would be fear, but what are we willing to die for is this is this uh threatening or or bringing fear to people or is it saying you know what I'm going to fight I'm going to this is this is motivating me to take up a cause because this is injustice no matter I don't there should be nobody out there and even MSNBC I think fired it one of their people for coming out and saying a wrong thing I I think fired at one of his followers that we're firing off a celebration shot or something crazy like that. >> Yeah, he's he's saying I mean >> they deserve to be killed, I think, too. I think >> so. So, there is a moral there's a moral compass that needs to be elevated to a place where our young people need to find something and this is it. I I I just want to encourage I don't know where the camera is, but I want to encourage our our young people that this is the cause right now. This is the cause to live for. It's the cause to die for. And we have to be willing to be able to do that. I think we've taken on that uh that that place. We we always say uh we're not leaving here. Uh you know, please God, that we don't leave here until when we see the Jewish people in harbor running, we'll run with them. But until then, we're here. We got to stay and we're going to stand with with the Jewish people. And um and and and this is why I'm so glad that you know this kind of dialogue. Why are we having this discussion? This is crazy. We met 21 years ago. you, us three, we met, you were just youngsters, you know, you're like my my my children, you know, I'm seeing you guys and and but God has done something. We've been through struggles, right? It's been a fight to get our to get to allow us to be in this place and you guys and Rabbi Mhammed have taken a chance to to but but we're we're fighting such a noble cause right now for the for the name of God. the name of God. I was looking at this uh the passage in Exodus 3 where it says God saying to the children of Israel, he says, "Tell them Moses is asking them what what do I tell them your name is?" And he says, "Tell them my name is the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. This is my name forever." And then he not only say, he doesn't stop there. He says, "From generation to generation." Forever still here. God has not changed his name. What are we willing to stand for? This is important for our for how we move forward together. How do we come in unity? How do we get to that Isaiah 52, you know, passage where we're seeing eye to eye? How do we see eye to eye? We agree Israel has to live. It has to be redeemed. And we get on those terms where we're seeing eye to eye. And I think that then we're moving forward. And this is what Charlie was trying to do is bringing that discussion to the table to college campuses to the young people. Fight for it. You got to fight. And we we have to raise that up. And I I I pray that there will be a generation because of him and because of the the now the offshoots, the people that are getting out there saying speaking like he spoke in their own in their own places, their own spaces, whatever that is. Then this is this has got to be our challenge. >> Yes. >> Not how we do how do we bring one person back. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> But how we bring a multitude of people back >> because the question is like who could replace Charlie Kirk and obviously the answer is no one. But >> we were talking someone was talking earlier there needs to be a million Charlie, right? It needs to be a grass move grassroots movement of people rising up. >> So our response any anything else from you guys? Because I I think the best response is honestly just what Charlie Kirk always told young people. get married, have children, read the scriptures, honor the Shabbat. And that's something people could do in his memory. Literally, a Christian Zionist honor the Shabbat because of him. And don't and and he he was very strong in the last 6 months especially. Don't go down the rabbit hole of Jew hatred because it will destroy you personally. >> Yeah. God want to bless his his wife and his children and his family that they should be consoled among the mourers of Zion and Jerusalem that Hashem should really give a consolation and a peace and a comfort and a healing to their family that they're going to need right now. They need a lot of divine um assistance and love and light and uh I'm praying for that and we're all praying for that. >> Amen. Amen. And if if you guys are looking for something to do today, I'll I'll just tell you two things. one, get connected with Jeremy and Ari at the land ofisrael.com. Join their fellowship every week. We'll put that link in the description down below. And come to Israel. Charlie Kirk came to Israel and he said it changed his life and his Bible came alive and his faith came alive. That happened to me. That happened to every single one of us. Um, you can come to Israel with us, serve Isisrael.com, and we'll put the link for our upcoming trip this November, um, November 17th through 25th. It can and will change your life and you can uh see your faith come to life and your Bible come to life. So those are some actions you guys can take today. It's a good start on the journey. We definitely encourage you to do that. 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