Where Do Souls Go After Death? Rabbi Taub & Michael Savage on Consciousness Beyond the Body

Do you believe as an Orthodox Jewish man >> that there are the deceased souls are with us? >> Listen, listen. I I I'll put it to you like this. Consciousness is not a product of the physical body. That's the one thing the scientists can't explain. When did matter become conscious? You have a brain, clump of cells, but that's not your mind. That's not your consciousness. It's like the radio is not the radio waves. The radio is the this this piece of hardware that you use to channel the radio waves, but the radio is not the radio waves. So the the the brain is like the radio. The consciousness is like the waves. The radio waves. So when the body passes, let's say when the radio becomes destroyed, does that mean that the radio waves are no longer being transmitted? No, they're still being transmitted >> from where >> the soul is the consciousness. And even though it doesn't have a body to inhabit, but to the contrary, the body if anything is an impediment to the consciousness because it distracts us with physical stimuli. When the body is removed, the consciousness of the soul is even more aware. Which is why, by the way, I I I mentioned it at the grave of Jerome uh for his yard site, but I I just want to make it more clear. If he had any disabilities in his lifetime where physically he could not see and hear, now that's all removed. Now he sees and hears perfectly. >> But where is he? [sighs] >> Where is he? Yeah. Where is he? sounds like, could you tell me physically where's his location? We're not talking spatial terms. >> I don't mean to sound like a child. I'm not asking you to say he's was over there behind me in the bookcase. But >> Right. [laughter] Right. >> But the consciousness of all of our departed, you believe the Jewish tradition believes this consciousness of each exists. Where are the departed souls? Where are they? >> Right. >> According to Jewish belief, >> right? So, where are the radio waves? I mean, you spent decades in radio. Where are the radio waves? >> Well, I know where they are because I have all of my shows on tape. I'm one of the crazy ones. I You could call it madness. I used to record every one of my radio shows. People would say, "Why are you doing it?" This is from 1994. I have some on old cassettes, some on discs. Why? Because I felt they were valuable. What I'm saying is, where are they? Where where are the where are the past radio shows? You know, it's like the the it's like um the concept of light years. I remember I was once a >> for a couple of years I was a a junior high school then a high school science teacher. I had to explain to children what a lightyear means. >> So I said an object is 4.3 million light years away. I would explain to them that means we sitting here in this classroom right now will be seen 4.3 million years from now by somebody up there with a telescope 4.3 million years from now will still be alive in this classroom being seen on a distant planet. It's hard to conceptualize what a lightyear is, >> right? >> It's the same thing with the soul, isn't it? So those radio waves of all your old shows, imagine if the tapes were destroyed. But if you could fly out into space, those radio waves keep going. Go intercept them and you could go catch the radio waves and you could listen to your show from the 90s, you know, [laughter] because it's all out there. It still exists. >> Oh my god. >> It's still there. If >> No wonder people think that we Jews are crazy. It's just that we see things no one else sees. You see what I mean? I I think that we live in in multi-dimensions. >> I I agree with you and >> and that's why we've never been understood completely by the by the other world. I would say the other world >> it does it does seem crazy >> to man in the street. What are you mishuga? >> Right. >> What you said two years ago is still flying around in the universe somewhere. >> Sounds bizarre. >> Yeah. Let's stick to now >> is what they would say. Be here now. So I understand it's hard to live in this dimension and at the same time live in the other dimension that you are describing. >> That's the reality. And by the way, that's the truth for people who are not even aware of it. Everyone's living in two worlds in two plains of existence simultaneously. They're just oblivious to it. It's true whether you recognize it or not. And that's why sometimes people will have that pang of like sometimes it comes in the form of like regret or guilt where they'll they'll feel like they want to be different. They want to do something new. That's like the whisper from that other world and you get a little you catch a little little a snippet here, a snippet there and it and it and it can affect people. But there are people who learn how to tune into the whisper. And in fact, there are righteous [clears throat] people who can hear the spiritual world as clearly if not more clearly than physical stimula. >> Well, I remember reading the Balm to >> Yes. >> in the 1700s. >> Yes. would walk in the forest and he'd hear the trees talking >> or he'd be in a cabin with his father and he would see the boards and he would say, "I hear the souls of the trees crying." >> I never forgot that. That's he was the first ecologist that I know of. >> Oh, >> well, an environmentalist who says yes, >> living things are living things whether they be plant or animal. >> Yes. And they have to be treated with the dignity and respect even if we use them. >> Yeah. Yes. Because some some people can't sustain both of those. >> It's hard. Like if you respect life, even vegetative life. Oh, then maybe you're not even allowed to use it. No, you're saying we are allowed to use it. In fact, God tells Noah, I'm giving you permission to eat meat. Adam did not have permission to eat meat. >> Adam was a vegetarian. vegetarian. But because Noah saved the animals, he was allowed to eat the animals. And when God tells Noah he's allowed to eat the animals, he says, I give you permission to eat. This is in this is in Genesis. I give you permission to eat the the animals like you eat the vegetation. It equates the two. So we were given permission to make use of vegetation and animal life, but not to exploit it, to make use of it. Well, it leads me to the the the Indian religion of James, J A I Ns, who believe that maybe they're functioning in another reality as well. They walk around with a a waving around. >> Yeah. >> A wave something like a piece of cloth >> because they believe that the the air they're inhaling has living organisms and the dust, which it does. >> Right. Right. >> So, they don't even want to kill a piece of dust. >> Right. >> So, you know, if you let this take you over, you could wind up in a a nutouse. saying, "How far do you go with it?" Yeah. >> I don't know. Eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow may never come. I don't know what [laughter] to say. >> Some people can't handle being sensitive to to life. >> No, that's right. I remember writing about that in my book, God, Faith, and Reason, which is how sensitive do you want to be? >> Many of us have to tune out, turn down, turn down those receptors. >> Yes. A lot of people are hyper sensitive and they feel things deeply. I don't just mean emotions. I mean they process stimuli very deeply. >> Yep. >> And these are often very intense people and a lot of times they don't function well in day-to-day life because life is so intense. A lot of them develop addiction issues because they use different forms of self-medication to numb the oversensitivity to feel less. >> Correct. So that's why all your artists and creative poets, they all, you know, mostly you're they're drunks and and and and uh on drugs because someone who's able to have that sensitivity, who sees what others don't see, often there's a great pain that goes with that. Well, if you see everything and feel everything, you can get overwhelmed. So how do the how does the traditional what is the traditional Jewish thinking on such individuals? How should they tune out or turn off that super sensitivity >> without destroying it? >> Or do the super religious sadiks turn it on and make it even more sensitive? >> Right. And I think you're you're saying correctly that the the righteous, the pious, the holy are people who have a super sensitivity. They're super aware. Could it be Jerome was so Jerome was so sensitive he had to be turned off to spare him the pain? I mean, that's a crazy thought. >> It's a crazy thought and I have it's way above my pay grade and I have no way of knowing such a thing. >> I don't know. I just don't know. You know, I mean, you were talking about my brother today because it's your side and you know, it's about life and death and the meaning of it and why did bad things happen to good people in a more m mundane way. >> That though what the logic there's a it is coherent that that's I can't say this is what happened or not but if there was someone who were that sensitive look what do I know but there is a certain logic to that. Yes. Do >> you know the Talmudic term for a blind person? >> No. >> It's sagor, which literally means too much light. So some people explain it as a euphemism. Oh, instead, you know, like you call big fat guy tiny for a nickname, like a reverse nickname, right? So it's like, oh, it's it's a euphemism. So he doesn't have too he he has too little light, but you call it too much light. But the mystics say, no, no, no, it's literal. It's not euphemistic. It's literal. Too much light. The blindness is when the eye is so open or I don't know if the physical eye or the the optic nerve or whatever it is but the receptors are so open it's overwhelmed.