What Type of Melacha Disqualifies Water For Netilas Yadayim? - Mishna Berura DH Siman 160 Seif 2-3 2026-05-25 09:46

Okay, welcome everyone. Recording in progress. >> A freilichen Memorial Day. Okay, so we're continuing in Hilchos and Taltzei, da'as Siman Kuf Samech. Seif Bais. We're up to Mishna Berurah, Seif Katan Yud Bais. The Mechaber said, Asah ba'mayim melacha, if you did melacha with the water, o isha shar ba'hem pitriyahu, or if you soaked your bread, afilu niska'vein lishros ba'hem, please have enough al hashaini, even if your kavana was to soak it in one and it fell into a second, psulim. Ve'im tzeinen yayin ba'mayim, psulim. If you cooled off wa- wine with water, it's pasul. Ve'im yidiach ba'hem keilim, if you rinsed off keilim, psulim. Says the Mishna Berurah, psulim Seif Katan Yud Bais, what then? Sha'ar melacha, it's the same thing with the other melachos. Keilim she'nasnu ba'hem, keilim, let's say you put keilim in the water, she'nas ba'ko b'meisa chama, the keilim maybe they expanded and therefore they cracked in the summer, k'dei she'yiskavtzu, you want them to shrink, o isha madad ba'hen midois, or you used the water to measure, v'chein im hayu omdim ba'mayim ba'keilim she'yeish ba'hem shna'sois, bishvil mishkal, let's say the water was in keilim that had gradations, you know, little notches on the side to indicate amounts or measurements, bishvil mishkal, d'heinu she'yeish ba'hem charitzin, they have these indentations, l'samein l'litra, l'shnei litra'ois, to indicate 1 liter, 2 liters, d'chashveinan b'soichan hadavar, she'roitzin lishkol, o ilu hamayim al hacharitzin, that when you put in the water something that you want to weigh, the water goes up to the gradations, v'shaklu v'soichan hadavar, you weighed something, chashav nami of Sulam says the Magen Avraham. And Shara Khronim be im nosan be say Khamaim davar she may riakh, if you put something in the water that makes it smell, Khash of be Shla lessar, it says in the Shla that it's assar, aval Khronim miskinu de im lo issar klal, the Khronim conclude no, there's no issar whatsoever. De einoy oiseh melakha be hamayim, you're not doing a melakha with the water, rather, ela bala hashbikhan, you are coming to improve the water. The Mekhaber continues, ve im hayu kelim mudakhim, if the kelim were already rinsed off, o ikh hadashim or they're new, so you're not cleaning them, ksheirim, then the water's kasher, ve im hitsvil bahem hanakhtim hagluskin, if the baker immersed his dough, perush kikrois lekhem, for example, his loaves of bread, pesulim, aval im taval yada bamayim, if you put your hands, so again, if the baker dipped his loaves of bread in the water, the water is pesul, aval im taval yada bamayim, if you immerse your hands in the water, be tokh paneha gluskin, and then you smeared the face of the loaves, o isha khafan mehem be khafnav, or you scooped out of the water with your fists, hamayim hanisharim lo naaseh bahem melakha, the remaining water is not considered water that a melakha was done with, ulafikakh ksheirim, therefore they're kasher, lo nishtanu marein, unless their color changed, ve al din, mayim she hanakhtim mania mediakh yada bahem, likewise water that the baker rinsed his hand in them, min habatzeik hadoveik beyado from the dough that attached to his hand. >> [snorts] >> So, if the water Okay, we'll come back to this comment of the Rama. >> [snorts] >> Cuz the Rama doesn't say who I didn't presumably he means the water is kosher. Who I didn't the mayim that the baker rinsed his hand from the dough >> [snorts] >> it seems like the the water is still kosher. Says Mishnah Berurah Or Ne'uvim Hoyev Hem Afuris. If there was dust on the keilim Im kein yesh sharav ad hachasan, and you need to rinse it off psul and they're pasul. Im nisa bemayim hakli im nikav. What if you're testing out the kli if there's a hole in it by putting water into it. The best way to determine if there's a hole, you fill it up with water. >> [snorts] >> Sheyazuva mayim alav to see if the water flows out or not. Is that considered doing melacha with water? Yesh ladun. There's what to uh to judge. Meaning, you could you could ask there's what to uh discuss and think about. Deloy mikri naso melacha, may not be considered that you did melacha. De'ina mayim oisin shimuha. Because the water is not doing any act. Degiluy milso ba'alma hi. It's just being megaleh whether there's a hole in it or not. The water is not actually doing any service. If the water flows out, there's a hole. If the water doesn't flow out, there's no hole. But, you're not doing anything with the water. The water is not doing anything. Through the water, it becomes revealed what whether there's a hole in the clay. K kasav hidush Rabbi Akiva Eiger. So says in the novella of Rabbi Akiva Eiger. And as you know, any day you learn Rabbi Akiva Eiger is a good day. When we come to Masik Sham, Rabbi Akiva Eiger concludes there that E on Medina. That this requires analysis. The Hida is in this scenario. Likewise, the says that's considered like you did a thing. >> [snorts] >> In the water, if the you immersed your hands in the water and you smeared the dough. If you wash your hands, you have a just because you immersed your hands is not a thing. The water doesn't become disgusting because you immersed your hands. Because you immersed your hands, you have a thing. So therefore, there's another potential issue here. And that is is the water considered water you're going to discard? Is it considered And just because you immersed [clears throat] your hands in it, it doesn't automatically become a thing. Even if previously your hands were not washed, so now your hands became through this water, still the water does not become because you touched it. How good is Good skin is good. >> [snorts] >> Kinds of cakes shall after they're arranged to clean the thing. It's the to smear their face with water. We put them to even the And sometimes you immerse them in the water. Upa'amin shatoyvel yadov. And sometimes you immerse your hands. Betoch al p'nayhem. Sometimes you dip them in the water and sometimes you make your hands wet and you smear them. Oisha chof an mayim or you scoop out water. Zuv einsach lo imer zu. This case, the Mishna Berurah says, is a smaller chiddush. If it's doesn't If it doesn't become possul by sticking your immersing your hands in, certainly the water doesn't become possul by scooping water out. So, why doesn't the Chaver need to say the second case? It's stylistic. Einsach lo imer zu. Not only once we said you dipped your hands in, you stuck your hands in and it goes without saying if you scooped water out. Hanasharim. What remains bakli aval eilu shabachafna, but the water on your palms imtach bahem p'ei agulska, if you smear the the dough, hare nasa bahem melacha, then certainly that water is considered nasa hamelacha. Now, let's see if we could crack the Rama. Isn't scooping water out the same thing? The same thing? The same thing as what? As sticking your hands in. Mhm. No, first of all, if you scoop in, you didn't necessarily stick your whole hand in. Um sticking water out? No, you know, it You didn't necessarily get your entire hand in. You Think about it, you know, you scoop out the tops of your You're scooping, you're basically using this part of the hand to Okay. But then the Rama says v'hu hadin mayim shanaftaim maydiach yadov bahen m'nabotik ad b'yado. It seems like even if a baker cleans off his hands in the water, the water doesn't come passel. >> [snorts] >> Why not? Says the mission brush and after my day the stamina can be eaten and clean. If the guy's baking already, his hands presumably were clean. But in my hand there's no dirt but have a car skin and the L. Washing clean hands in water is like washing clean Kayla. Now whether this still applies with mana there. Maybe you could make the argument that back in the day you know, clean hands is always relative. Nowadays, even if you think your hands are clean, other people are not going to uh other people would say that a service was done by you sticking your hands in. >> [snorts] >> Now this definitely implies if your hands were dirty and you clean them in the water, the water became passel. And that we're going to see explicitly later on. The kids are shaking heads that even if your little pinky was a little bit dirty and you stuck it in the water, that's called malacha. As I initially disagree with the kids are shaking heads. He says the reason why when your hands are clean the water doesn't be is not nifgam is because there's a concept not sound of the Adam. So therefore if I'm the one using it it doesn't become passel. It's only when you're not we say the mayim is um also be a lacker. Okay, I am sure. Now, You must have a circle you have to say that the fact that the water washed washed off the dough is not considered >> [snorts] >> Maybe it's because you could remove the dough even without rinsing in in the water of The ties disagrees with the stand by here. The ties proves the surely >> [snorts] >> that the holds the voice of the mirror. The removing the dough with water is a straight out the media you have to you're rinsing your hands from the dough the hand pass across shell the hand has came with shower after them. So even though the says that if you rinse off your hands from dough the water is kosher the ties disagrees and he proves so from the 60 more. My name shall have a nap up. Water before a blacksmith. Even though the the color doesn't change You know for sure a lacker was done. The by him have a result you extinguished iron. What water before a barber? If the water changes color it's possible to share. Says the name of a supper shall be the show me the claim lack the good name. He often rinses his instruments. It's not presumed that he rinsed his instruments. The ham sheer me safek. Me safek it's kosher. Kol kamay be safira aleph. So, he often does, but it's not presumed. Therefore, me safek it's kosher. Sif dalet. Mayim she shatsu mayhem hatarna goylem. Water that chickens drank. It's very common that you have a pitcher of water and there're chickens in the house and the chickens they drink from the water. So, what's the ayishal akak? Where they licked it up. Here was shishias hakalev nikra likika. The drinking like a dog is called likika. Mayhem akalev. If a dog licked it up, yesh me sha poysel. There are those who disqualify it. Indvarav nerem. Their words do not seem to be correct. El abain ve elo bain mekhoshar be hema khaiva oif yesh la hakshar. It's kosher. One Mishnah Berurah tarna goylem. Ayishal akak lefi hamavard be seif lav dafka. Elo it's not only a chicken. It's not only a dog. Elo hu adin be khol be hema khaiva oif khuts me yoina. Except for a dove. A dove, that's a different story entirely. Why? >> [snorts] >> We will see tomorrow. Okay? We're going to hold it over here in the Mishnah Berurah and hang in there for one moment. Recording stopped.