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$3,000 rent a month. Is that even
possible?
>> My my mindset was always like, "Someone
owns that building, right? What do they
know? Maybe it's a few people owning."
>> People started saying, "What do you
mean? How can you talk like that? You
don't know how we struggle."
>> The job market is hard.
>> They're making $7,000 [music] a month
and their expenses are 12.
>> Who's the rich guy on the block? And you
know, jealousy or money hungry? Starting
a business is something that, you know,
does require risk. So, someone having a
spending problem, what does that look
like? Either one of you, somebody's got
to work more. Somebody's got to get a
raise, get a different job.
>> Yeah. You know, maybe she should wash
wigs at [music] night or maybe she
should, you know, learn something, learn
something where where she can make more
money on the side, right?
>> Welcome to another episode of
Positivity. I'm very excited to be here
um with Moisha Wanderer. Now, most of
the podcast that I record is usually
with people that I know. I know them
from the past or whatever. That's like
kind of like my policy almost. But over
here something interesting happened. We
made a conversation on our my WhatsApp
status. Uh something
um that I said in another podcast with
somebody about budgeting um budget
related budgeting relating related. I
said that basically that I think every
person should be able to afford uh
$3,000 rent because they were saying
they're building Okachobee for cheaper
houses. So, you know, over here it's
$3,000 average rent. Is that too
expensive or can everybody afford it?
And people started saying, "What do you
mean? How can you talk like that? You
don't know how we struggle. You don't
know." And and then I I I doubled down.
I said, "What do you mean? Everything is
a mindset. put you set your mind to how
much money you want to make and you make
that money. And people started saying,
you don't know how bad the economy is.
You don't know how bad the job market
is. I have this friend looking for a job
for multiple weeks and months. And I
noticed, okay, there's something
seriously going on that if I make a
podcast about budgeting and financials
and stuff like that that it's going to
take off. There's going or at least for
some people, they're really going to
enjoy the episode. So, while you're not
a singer or celebrity necessarily,
you're a celebrity in your field.
>> Yeah. Um, but people can can benefit a
lot from a conversation about budgeting.
So that's where that's where why I got
very into this and that's where I said,
you know what, even though I don't know
you personally, but you're an expert.
Many people recommended your name. You
have a big LinkedIn following of almost
10,000 followers. You have 75 clients
and more and counting. So that's
amazing. Um,
so
let me get right into it.
>> Yeah. the average family, can they pay
um $3,000
rent a month? Is that even possible or
not? And then you can introduce
yourself.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, so before I I think
before anything, you know, I think I
need to make a little a small
disclaimer.
>> Okay.
>> Which is that a lot of things I think
we're going to discuss is going to be a
lot ofadas. And you know, I don't want
people to take it in the way of like,
oh, um, what do I have to plan? Hashem
has a plan, you know. So, you know,
conversations like these where it's
like, go make more money may sound like,
you know, a little bit like, you know,
we we we can do it. So,
>> and it's only, if I may interrupt, it's
only for the 1% of people like myself
that constantly try to overlever myself
with a budget and plan, by the way.
Meaning, I want to just say I feel proud
of myself that even if I if my goal is,
let's say, to spend uh uh uh you know,
$30,000 next month and I know that my I
only make 20, I'm going to put in in my
budget a path to make the next month 30
or 35. So, it's all within the frame of
budgeting, but I'm just constantly
pushing the boundaries. But I am.
>> Yeah. So, so to to your direct question.
>> So, it's a disclaimer that we're talking
about physical actions, not we're not
talking now. Okay.
>> Correct. So, to answer your direct
question, it's I I I would say it's a
little a little to the aggressive side
in a way where not everybody could
afford certain things and and the job
market is hard and and people do have
certain limitations, right? So, you
know, to tell a person who's, let's say,
in sales and he could have the drive to
make $200,000 a year, $300,000 a year,
for him, it may be something that if he
has that mindset, he could be able to do
it, right? But there are people that do
have certain cir circumstances where
they can't afford a job that's paying
them that money. They they don't they
can do such a job. And the job market
doesn't even fully allow it, right?
Because if you would tell everybody to
get a job that's $250,000,
let's say just throwing out a number.
>> Mhm.
>> Then who number one, who's doing all the
other
>> come back?
>> Number one, who's doing all the other
jobs?
>> Right.
>> Right. And and it's a job market, right?
So there there's going to be people
always on on every side of the coin and
there's always going to be people making
more and there's always going to be
people making less. um $3,000. Again, it
it's it's something that not everybody
could necessarily afford, but but but
there is there is definitely a a mindset
to it, which I would agree with what
you're saying, where there are people
who could do it, but they're not.
>> Okay.
>> Right. So, there's definitely people out
there who you're talking to who you're
saying you could do better and many of
them could, right?
>> But also, many of them can't.
>> Right. Okay. Now, a little bit of
introduction. First of all, you are you
Wall's brother?
>> I'm not Is Wall's brother? But no, but I
I'm related to Joel Wall is what is
what? Yeah. So, shout out to Joel.
>> We had him on the podcast.
>> Yes, I saw. Yeah.
>> A good man. He he made a post today on
LinkedIn
>> about his like his shows, why it's
$3,500 a ticket for an average person to
come in.
>> And I personally I hate that because I
feel like it's it's crazy. But then when
you read the whole post and then when
you acknowledge that I myself was an
exhibitor at his show brick and mortar
and I actually closed two clients that
are still my client today. So you're
talking six months later happy clients
you understand that the money that I
paid to exhibit there which is the
average price whatever comparison to how
much money I made from those clients is
incredible. So shout out to Israel Wool
and to Joel Wool. Yeah. and Israel and
uh
>> Israel is is the guy who does the the
Gumarra thing, right?
>> He does the Gumar He's the anxiety
expert.
>> Oh, I thought he's the one who does like
the the the lead lamps that re that make
the words bigger.
>> Oh, yeah. It's another guy maybe.
>> Shout out to everybody. [laughter]
>> Yeah. Um so, give us a little bit of a
background of what you do and how you
got into this.
>> So, it's actually pretty funny um how
how I got into it, you know. um going
back in like ninth ninth grade, 10th
grade, 11th grade. You you know my my
whole that that whole um time of life, a
lot of Bakam are into sports and some
are into this and some are into that.
For me, it was always being into money.
>> Um and it wasn't really in the sense of
like you know who's the rich guy on the
block and you know jealousy or money
hungry or anything like that. It was
more of a sense of like how does it
work? How is it made? innovation, you
know, what what what could be done and
>> curiosity
>> curiosity and these are the
conversations that I always had with
friends and you know I'd be driving in
Manhattan with friends and and whatever
and saw a building my my mindset was
always like someone owns that building
right what do they know maybe it's a few
people own the building but like what
what do they know right there's a
million businesses all around right so
like that's where my you know all my
conversations
>> really were um for for the most part and
when I was looking for for a job. I
actually for some I I didn't even think
about going into this. I was actually
going to, you know, go into drug rehab.
Um I don't know why why that piqued my
interest, but you know, I saw something.
>> Yeah.
>> Um and I I didn't get the job and then I
just I saw this on a chat like
>> on a WhatsApp chat and I was like, wait,
like why didn't I even, you know, think
of this?
hopped into it, figured like like you
know this is something that that I want
to do and I and I and I'm very
passionate about
>> of you know just
>> helping people with money and you know
just having money conversations is
something that that that I really enjoy
and I figured why not make a parasa from
from it. So, um, you know, it's really
exciting and, you know, we're sitting
down with couples every single day,
helping them, you know, really, really
believe in themselves and believe in
their families to really accomplish
things that,
>> right,
>> they didn't think they would be able to,
>> right? Okay. So, I want to share my
personal uh, story with budgeting
because like this, I want to see how you
help people. So, my story was that for
me, it was pretty much the same. It was
just spend money, hope you'll have
enough money. Um, I tried knowing a
little bit how much my expenses are and
how much money I make so that they
somewhat match up, but I didn't want to
get into I didn't want to know the
details. And then I always knew that
the order of life is that is that if you
want to be successful, if you want God
to give you a lot of money, you kind of
have to know where it's going to because
he can give you a million dollars. But
if you don't have an order on how you
spend money, you're going to lose that
million dollars. Meaning you're going to
right away buy a stupid car, buy a
stupid house, whatever, like it's so
easy to lo It's easier to lose a million
than 10. You know what I'm saying? Like
>> so
>> so I got very into budgeting. Like I set
myself up on every dollar app. I did get
myself a financial coach and I'm
consistent with that. Every second week
I go through my own my every charge that
I have, put them in a category, set a
budget. So I noticed that when I made a
plan of how much money I want to spend,
I noticed that okay now I have something
to work towards and I and I started
exercising different avenues of money in
my life because now I have a budget. So
my question is that when a couple comes
into you and they say he says he makes
$1,000 a week, he's a maj. She says
she's a secretary and makes $3,000 a
month. Together they're making $7,000 a
month and their expenses are 12 because
between rent and a car and average
groceries and schools for kids, you're
an average family is at 10 or 12. What
do you do? Meaning I know for myself
what I did to stretch
um and also I have a business. So for me
it's just okay another sale work harder
>> right
>> and I have this whole career so there's
like I do feel lucky but you know and
and again I built all of this there was
nobody gave it to me so I did build it I
did have a job up until four years ago
four years ago I was still working a job
in construction but the question is for
the average family what do they do what
does even budgeting help them
>> right um so the fir the first thing you
said I want to go back back a second
right you were saying how you know money
was coming in and money was going out,
you you didn't want to see it, right?
Yeah. And and it happens to be a lot of
people have that mindset of of like, you
know, Hashem has a plan. My is to have a
job.
>> Mhm.
>> Right. And that's my whatever happens
tomorrow is going to happen tomorrow.
But I'm not a RV or anything, but but
just food for thought is maybe a is also
to plan for the future, right? like
Hashem didn't give you maybe Hashem who
gave someone $10,000 a month is only
giving them $9,000 a month for today and
a th000 for the future, right? We don't
necessarily know if it's if it's all if
it's all for today. Of course, we
believe that, you know, Hashem is going
to pro provide for us on on a daily
basis and and and and that's what, you
know, what we work and and we eat, but
at the end of the day, like we we have
to plan for the future. Um, but you're
asking you're asking, you know, with a
family who's really in the red, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Now, if someone's really in the red like
that, there's many people who could help
with with debt removal and helping them
sort of get out of debt, right? So, a
lot of things will we'll speak to
clients and, you know, they are in the
red, you know, depending on how much is
we'll sort of see is there an income
problem or is there a spending problem,
>> right? It's it's it's it's going to be
one or the other. Once we know what that
problem is, then we then then we can
take take a step back and see what could
be done. Right? So what you described is
is
problem.
>> If I'm this person, what do you do for
me? I'm I'm I'm describing this scenario
7 12. What What do I do?
>> So So we we we can't do magic and and
and and make someone, you know, make
more money, right? So if if someone is
making $7,000 a month and their expenses
are 10 and they're going negative $3,000
every month, there's not something that
we could do as financial planners to
necessarily bring them to the green
besides to sort of guide them on on, you
know, what what that will do for them if
if they could achieve that, right? So,
if someone is passionate about it and
and they want to they want to do
something and this goes back to your
original point, there's a lot of things
that they could do to try, right? They
could they could do a side hustle,
right? If if if the lady is is a
teacher, you know, maybe she should wash
wigs at night or maybe she should, you
know, learn something learn something
where she can make more money on the
side, right? And a lot of people are
going to say, you know, we're already
working so hard, we don't want to do it.
But
>> but you showed them pen and paper.
Right.
>> Right. There there is a cost to to to
being in the green and there's a cost to
being financially free. And for some for
some people that cost is is going to be
to have, you know, another source of
income. You know, you can take that
away. If it's a spending problem, it's a
little bit easier to to to take care of
obviously, right? No one I don't think
really has a spending problem where it's
like negative 3,000. Um, but if someone
has a spending problem, it's definitely
>> some probably do.
>> Of course, of course people have a
spending problem, but then already you
could sort of see, you know, where we're
where someone's falling short. I I
actually posted this on LinkedIn. I had
a a client who who I sat with
>> um he was giving $2,500 a year um
towards weddings, right? So, you're
going to get married, you're going to
get a lot of a lot of checks probably,
you know, at your wedding. And this guy
was was doing it. And and it's a
beautiful it really is a beautiful
thing. You know, I got married. I I made
money at my wedding and and it's
amazing. But then he wasn't putting away
any money for his kids,
>> right? So So when it comes to these sort
of things, sometimes it's it's pretty
obvious on what
>> be able to show it to them,
>> on what it's becut, right? And and when
you go to someone, you tell them like,
you know, you're giving money towards
this person's wedding, but not to your
kids, it sort of puts them in a
different mindset on like, oh wow, like
>> we could actually, you know, do
something with this money,
>> right? So someone having a spending
problem, what does that look like?
You're telling me that there's a person.
So first of all, I my opinion is that
when somebody comes in with a problem
that I mentioned is that I I would use a
spiritual approach with them. Like I
would use an approach where I would say,
"Look, dude, either one of you,
somebody's got to work more. Somebody's
got to get a raise, get a different job.
Somebody's got to start doing what they
love
>> because you're working too hard." the
the answer is not always to work more.
It's start doing what you love. Maybe
consider opening a business because this
doesn't make sense. So, I'm saying I
think my approach to being a financial
adviser if I were to do it is I would
help them and guide them into okay, what
do we have to do now to be able to fit
that budget and maybe you do that. I'm
saying that's my
>> Yeah. For sense yeah it definitely it
definitely makes makes sense what you're
saying. Now, starting a business is
something that you know does require
risk. So, not everybody has that
capability. to take on that risk, right?
Because if they're even if they're
making 7,000 a month, now if they, you
know, go into sales, let's say, and they
don't make any money for the next two,
three months, they they they they fall
deeply. So,
>> a person does have to have the the
I guess luckiness to to be able to take
on on such a risk, right? Like like you
you know, you you you had that where
where you could for the past 5 years,
you were able to take on that risk where
you could go and and open your business.
Um but but not everybody has that. But
but yeah, normally we're going through
and we're seeing, you know, where we
could make more money, right? So there's
so many small businesses out there,
right? You know, there's
>> there's people selling meatboards and
fish boards.
>> So do you help them making more money?
Do you help?
>> We we we we we help them understand what
more money is going to do for them,
>> right? So and and I'll tell you this, a
lot of people like Well, let's talk
about a family that's flat, right?
Because this is the most common where a
family is making we're just throwing a
number. A family is making $10,000 a
month. They're spending $10,000 a month,
right? Couple dollars up, couple dollars
down, but they're not saving. They're
not going into debt.
>> Okay?
>> So, to them, it doesn't seem like they
should go out and and do something more,
right? Why? Because what's $200 $300,
right? So, the conversation that we have
with them is is, you know, if you go
out, let's say, and make another $300 a
month, let's say, right? So $300 today
doesn't seem like anything,
>> right? But every $100 that you save on a
monthly basis for 20 years towards let's
say a child's casta is $80,000.
>> Wow.
>> Right? So the mindset that we sort of
put them in is $100 is not $100.
>> It's it's $80,000.
>> And and once they have that mindset and
they know that the $100 that I'm making
today is not it's not 100.
>> Wow. Then then they could be like,
"Okay, maybe it makes sense for, you
know, my my wife to well, not not to
throw on a wife, but maybe, you know, a
wife could have a lot more side
hustles." I think throw it on.
>> No, I think No, cuz they there's a lot
of side hustles, you know, that that
that a woman could do.
>> Um or or, you know, for the man to make
a couple meat platters, make you know,
learn something new, right,
>> if they saw the value in that extra
three month. you're here to educate
them.
>> $500 a month, you know, like like it's
>> it's we we educate them that that it's
not $500.
>> It's it's way beyond that. And and you
know, when when when once you have that
mindset, it just gets more and more and
more. We've had clients that that came
and and they've done this, right? And
they hustled and they went out, they
made an extra $200 a month to be able
to, you know, put away towards their
child's kasinas and all of a sudden they
come back and they're ready to put in
more. And and I asked him like like
where did this happen? Like a minute ago
you were right. But once they have that
mindset where they're like, "Oh my gosh,
I'm I'm I'm investing. I'm doing this. I
see it. It's growing. It's happening."
Like all of a sudden like more things
start to open up. And back to another
another point that that you said like
how to budget and you know how to how to
bring financial planning into that is is
you know another thing I like to to tell
people a lot is that your investment
accounts are a credit card bill
>> right so for one is making interest and
one is charging you interest and and and
and that's really how it is right so if
if let's say let's say let's call a
wedding $80,000 right that you can make
wedding for much less you can make a
wedding for much or we're just we're
just giving an example. $80,000, right?
>> That wedding could cost you $80,000 or
it could cost you $30,000,
>> right? It's it's it's a big sale.
>> Y
>> it's a big sale and and it's a credit
card bill that you're paying towards the
future. So, let's say someone has a
$4,000 credit card bill every month.
>> So, make it make the bill 4,200, right?
It's it's part of your credit card bill.
Just one is going for the future and one
is paying off the past. and and that I
think the mindset that that people could
have could really shift a lot of things
for them and open up, you know, a lot of
opportunities into starting and and
investing and people are always putting
in more on once the door is open.
>> We have clients, they start off with $50
a month and all of a sudden they call
me, let's up it to 150, right?
>> Let's open up another account.
>> Right?
>> Because they get the feeling of it. The
feeling,
>> right? So now when somebody does have a
spending problem, what do you do? They
they coming into you, they say, "I'm
making 10,000 a month. My budget is
10,000 a month, but I'm spending 3,000
on random stupid stuff, and it's getting
me into debt." So, what do you do?
>> Yeah. So, with with this kind of
scenario, it's very, first of all, very
important that we sit together with both
the husband and the wife, right? So, a
lot of times we'll meet with just the
husband or or, you know, and they sort
of take care of the finances and the
wife doesn't want to doesn't want to
have anything to do with it. But when
there's a spending problem, usually you
want to have both both spouses there
together so they could really understand
what they're missing out on.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. It at the end of the day, it's
their decision, right? You could want to
enjoy the now. You could want to enjoy
the future. It's it's up to you. We we
can't we can't force you to do it, but
we could show you what it's going to
look like, right? So when you start
really taking things apart and you're
like, "Does this make sense as opposed
to as opposed to, you know, a beautiful
retirement with traveling the world."
>> Yeah.
>> Right. It opens up their mind as a
couple like what do what do we want to
accomplish? Right. Do we want this pair
of shoes now or do we want to, you know,
go to Aritis and visit our our kids in
in in Israel? Right.
>> Right. So, it's it's up to them and and
and we're there to to open it up and and
most of the time it's like, "Yeah,
that's that's that's much more that's
much more enjoyable." You know, we we
rather that. And again, it's it's
>> it's very hard when when you're when you
don't see it so clearly yet cuz let's
say you're putting away $300 a month,
you're like, "What's this going to do
for us?"
>> Right. But over time, it it's magic.
>> Right. Right.
>> It's it's magic. You're literally I
think in the educational business like
just educating educating people
explaining to them what it means to
spend money how to now do you use um
every dollar or how do you what how do
you have your own platform? How do you
help actual budget? What's the do you go
through every transaction that they
have? What's the
>> So it's really a persontoperson thing,
right? If someone's coming to us and and
they, you know, we see their income, we
see their their spending on a month on a
monthly basis and let's say they are
able to put away $2,000 a month, right?
Then it doesn't it doesn't necessarily
make sense for us to dig deeper to see,
you know, if we could get more, like
they're they're they're in a pretty good
spot.
>> Yeah.
>> Right.
>> But if someone is coming and and they
want to try to get from from flat to
green,
>> then then we we start we have to dig in
a little bit and and and yeah, we have a
platform. We go through everything. It's
not necessarily going through every
single expense. It's really just
discussing, you know, the the the the
overall picture and and seeing, you
know, where we're where something could
come out of.
>> Um but yeah, it's really person it's
it's really
>> it's it's very um person person to
person. It's very personable, right?
It's it's like we're sitting down with
you
>> and you know, doesn't matter what
anybody else is doing. Like let's see
let's see what what what you could gain,
right? So I think that's something
that's that's very very important for
for families, you know.
>> Yeah, that's that's impressive. Um
again, for me, budgeting just simply
helped me with my investments to push
forward to have the clarity to just feel
better. Um I stopped spending on a lot
of things that I would in the past spend
and then I just noticed what I mean.
It's every dollar adds up. So I think
that that just gave me tremendous
clarity when you the moment you create a
budget which is to monitor what you're
spending on or what you want to be
spending on I think it just gives you
like a whole different uh perspective.
>> Yeah. It it really it really opens up it
it opens up the mind you know you see
>> part of it like is part of it you do see
right you see like opening up and also
part of it also is is very hard because
sometimes it feels insignificant.
>> Mhm.
>> Right. And some people come to us and
like well I should open up an account
$100 like $100 a month like you know
what I have to do that and like you know
they have one kid and like tell them
like you know this will literally get
you to X Y and Z. It's not it's it's not
$100 and it's it's really it's really
all in in the mind to to o open up those
doors. Um and like again like we're
sitting with people and I'm again and
again like it's always more. It's never
that they never come back and say, you
know, I I I need to lower my lower what
what I'm putting in,
>> you know, it never happens. And
>> and and also like like a spending
problem, it's someone someone has to
want it,
>> right? You you you have to want it. And
and there's a cost to being financially
free. So So people like they'll come and
they'll be like, "What do I have to do
this?" Right? Like you tell me to work
more. I'm already working so much. I
come home so late. Like
it might sound off a little bit to say
this, but like okay, so like you're
you're you you may struggle
>> like you may struggle. Like it's it's
not it's not something that's magic.
Like you know you we live in today like
life is so expensive.
>> Yeah.
>> You know it's so expensive and
everything around us seems like hustling
and bustling and there's money
everywhere, right? You know, everyone
thinks that everybody else has has so
much.
>> Yeah. and and and it gets like it gets
all over the place and and and you you
think like, okay, so what's my measly,
you know, $300 a month going to do? But
like you can look at other people, you
know, because first of all, a lot of
those people, they they they they don't
have what what you think they have. And
you probably know this, a lot of people
on LinkedIn, right? You see CEO,
founder, uh all these things, and you're
like, "Oh my gosh, like everybody around
me is just doing so well. Like what like
what am I doing wrong?" Usually usually,
you know, a lot of those people are are
in are in that same are in that same pos
position and and they're not
>> well, some of them are doing well. You
know, we're not going to put everybody
down. There are people who I sit with
young people and you know, they're
making $300,000 a year, $400,000 a year,
and they're they're out there. Pe people
can make money.
>> Yeah, that that was going to be my next
question. like how much you probably see
crazy numbers like from big families
making nothing to people younger people
making a lot of money. What's
h how does somebody make3 $400,000 a
year? Young person.
>> Yeah, it's it's funny like it's like
people ask me what's the average what's
the average salary, right? What how am I
doing compared to others? People always
want to know how they're doing compared
to others and it's impossible to give a
a number because like it's such a wide
range, right? you sit with people who
have $70,000 annual income and then I
sit with a 24-y old guy who's making
$350,000 a year, [clears throat] right?
So, the gap is so big where you can't
even call you can't even call an
average,
>> right? Um,
how they doing it? Like, you know,
there's people who are making money in
every industry. It's it's it's but it's
the people who are out there, you know,
really putting in the work, you know.
>> Do you see a pattern now of a good
industry or it's just basically
everybody each for their own, whatever
they're good at? I think people are
thinking that ABA is pretty hot right
now.
>> It still is. I thought it's not.
>> I I sit with people who are making good
money there. Um then there's a lot of
people who say that that a lot of people
are not making money there,
>> right?
>> Um but but I I seem to
>> I think I think it's making money. I
think people in the healthcare industry
are are are doing are doing pretty well.
Of course, there's people who are who
are not. Yeah.
>> Um but every industry is is is is a
money-making business. Depends where you
are in that industry, right? I I know
someone who who makes millions of
dollars selling sponges.
>> Wow.
>> You know, like like you you really don't
have to be in a specific field to make
money. You just have to, you know,
really go out there and and hustle. And
and for someone who does have for
someone who does have a an annual income
and they're not doing sales, I actually
saw your your podcast with uh Yetuk
Schwarz.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. On sales. Um you know, but for
someone who
>> Buddha Schwarz
>> Buddha Schwarz Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Um
another LinkedIn another LinkedIn shout
out. Yeah. um you know but for someone
who's not doing sales and you know I I'm
in sales right every day I I wake up I
could go and you know for me on a
personal financial level right I'm also
doing my my own finances so on a
personal level I know that I can wake up
in the morning and I could make $5,000
today right I can make $20,000 today
it's it's all possible when and when
you're in such such an industry you know
it's it's it's a big bonus but I think
that a lot of people you know there's a
lot of side hustles out there's people
who offer referrals where people can
make a lot of extra extra money,
>> right? So, like I know a guy who who he
pays me $1,000 for every person I I I
bring to him.
>> Um, you know, there's a lot of
industries that do that. And if you just
if you're out there and you talk to
people and and you put yourself out
there a little bit Yeah.
>> and and you put in that work, like most
people most people could get to the
green,
>> right? Especially for young families,
right? Of course, you'll have people who
have, you know, six, seven, eight kids
and, you know, the person's the father's
a rebby and the mother is is a teacher.
And that's a whole different a whole
different area, a whole different
circumstance. But for a young person
when you're just starting fresh,
>> it's much easier to start fresh and have
that mindset where, you know, I I could
go out and and and make more money.
>> Um, but, you know,
>> it's it's it's really you got to put in
the work.
>> You got to put in the work if you want
it. But and and then again back to the
other point which I think it's just one
big point is once you decide to put in
that work again you you have to
understand what that work is doing for
you
>> right
>> and when you know what it's doing for
you it's like it it becomes much easier.
>> Wow.
>> It's a mindset shift you know and you're
you're you're the mindset guy you know.
>> Yeah that because so that but that's the
difference because most people I don't
think even have the mindset. I always
say this, you know, people sending me
messages, you don't understand, the
economy is not doing well, which I want
to touch on my next question, but the
economy is not doing well and this is
not doing well and I can't get a job and
no job is paying.
>> Did you even write down or think for a
second how much money you do want to
make?
>> What it is that you do want to do,
right?
>> What are your goals? What do you want to
be spending money? or all you're doing
is just whining about the economy or
whining about my mindset. Like I hear
people are complaining to me. They're
like, "How can you say it's a mindset?
I'm here out and struggling and
hustling,
>> dude." 100%. Like I I I met with a with
with a guy, young young family, and and
you know, we sat down. He was making he
was making a very decent salary happens
to be
>> like whatever a very decent salary
>> and his wife wasn't working.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. And he was coming I can't put
away like like at the end of the day
like like again every person is is is a
separate story but every person has to
know what's what's holding them back.
Right.
>> Like in today's economy
>> you you probably need a second income.
Right. So number one if if your if your
wife is not working number one you
you're probably spending more money.
>> Mhm. you're also not making that money.
And if let's say that person's making
$100,000 and his lifestyle is $100,000
and his wife would just get a job for
even $40,000, all of a sudden you're
putting away $40,000 a year.
>> Right. Right.
>> You know, so every person has to has to
have, you know, a a specific story and
you know what's what's holding them
back,
>> but but there's always something holding
holding them back. Like there's always
more out there,
>> right? What's the most common item
people overspend on? like overlever
themselves on
>> overspend overspend
it's a very good question because I I
happen to think that people are not so
much overspending
>> especially young families because
>> because life is very expensive
>> right so normally when they're coming to
to sit down
>> their budget looks pretty clean for the
most part like like I'm not
>> everything there is important and is an
important uh expense
>> mo most things most things are important
right like you you you can't necessarily
tell someone and by the way our goal as
financial planners to to start, right?
Is is is not to make someone not enjoy
life, right? We don't want to go to
someone and be like, "Why did you buy
that pure shoes, right? We're not like
there to to put down what you purchase
on what what what you want to enjoy life
today." Because again, a person does
have to enjoy a little bit a little bit
of the now, but there has to be a
balance,
>> right? There has to be a balance of I'm
enjoying today but I'm I'm also enjoying
enjoying the future. Um but but a lot of
people are you know are let's say extras
where a vacation let's say right pe
people people are people feel they need
to go on vacation twice a year once a
year where maybe they could cut that out
maybe they can't right it's
>> you don't want to tell someone what they
could necessarily spend money on unless
they're you know coming to you from a
personal a personal basis and being like
you know where what should we cut out
right but a lot of the times it's just
you know really having everything down
on paper and making that those
investments a part of that budget is is
something that is is going to be the
most important thing because when it's a
part of the budget, it's almost like I
need to do it, right? Let's say you have
a $4,000 credit card bill. You know, you
need to pay that,
>> right? So, if you had a $300 investment
bill, you got to pay it,
>> right?
>> You got to pay it. You'll you figure it
out.
>> Mhm.
>> You know, um but but people people are
obviously overspending. Um there's a lot
of you know, there's a lot of people
spending on gifts is something that a
lot of people overspend on,
>> right? like, you know, especially well,
not counting the season, but you know,
baby presents and and and things and
gifting is is very nice. But then, you
know, we sit down with with with people
and
>> they're throwing gifts all over the
place. You know, every friend who had a
baby, every and these things are nice,
>> right? But again, a person has to look
at themselves and be like,
>> I deserve something also,
>> you know, there there's there's a
balance between being a nice person and
being mean to yourself. You know, they
always say it starts in the home,
>> right?
>> Right. You know, if you have someone
who's a huge bassad and he's running
around to every organization and he's
doing this and doing that and his kids
don't even his kids don't even get to to
to speak to him. It's like,
>> right, what
>> how is that charity? Yeah.
>> How is that charity? Right. So, you're
running around, you're giving gifts,
you're doing this, you're doing that,
but but like
>> yeah,
>> do a little for yourself,
>> right?
>> Do a little for your future.
>> What's the most that you've seen a young
couple or a couple being in debt? Have
you seen where like a couple can come in
with $100,000 in debt? So, so that that
does come a lot from student loans,
right? Which is which is a sort of
people like to put in a different
category of debt, which it is because
it's it's a lower interest. It's, you
know, it's it's not as on top of your
head as a credit card bill.
>> Um, there are people, a lot of people
are who are in debt and and that's
something that, you know, you you got to
we're sitting with a client right now
who who has about $30,000 in debt.
um he came to us and you know
>> he was really really into getting
getting rid of this debt and it happens
to be you know he had he had an account
um that whatever I don't want to get
into too much detail but he had an
account with the savings that was for a
specific thing that was for an extra
>> right so we we sort of went to the
mindset of like right now your priority
is to hone in on that right yeah
>> so and and and
>> people like number one yes you have the
mindset where if you pay off slowly
eventually it goes away. But again, it's
all it's all in the mind where like you
have to decide today, right? I actually
saw an episode where where this Jewish
couple went on on the Ramsey on on Dave
Ramsey show. I'm not sure if you saw it.
I think I think either it just came out
or
>> he has a show or podcast.
>> Dave Ramsey Dave Ramsey's podcast.
>> Okay.
>> It was actually a Jewish couple who went
on and
>> I like him by the way. He's very good.
and they were $70,000 in debt
>> and they wanted to buy a house and they
were about to buy a house and then they
made the the decision. It was a just a
decision and Dave Ramsey said it all
starts with the decision that this is
all we are worried about. It's the debt
and that's it. And
>> if someone wants it, you just hone in on
it and that is what matters, right? So
yes, paying it off slowly could help,
right? and and it and it and it does do
something. And if someone can dump in
can dump in so much money at a at a time
to pay that off, then okay, fine. But if
you
>> you you have to be willing to give up on
something,
>> right? You have to give up on the now
for the future,
>> right?
>> And and and you have to be able to see
what it's going to do for you and it's
it's a it's a decision that you have to
make and you have to believe in. So this
person, this specific person, he had
$7,000 sitting for something extra and
we're like, why is it there? Hone in on
this, right? get to get to even. You you
you your number one thing is is is to
get to even and then and and then and
then you could build.
>> Um but you you can't be spending on
extras and and and you can't be h you
know doing all these fun things and you
know even the small things and and he he
he asked us he was like you know do this
do the small purchases matter? It does.
>> It does matter because it's not just the
amount. Let's say you you know you stop
in the morning to buy coffee and a donut
or whatever it is and it's $7, right?
So, it's not that that $7 go off to
paying the credit card bill. It's it's
that when when you have the mindset
we're just spending and you know it's on
the credit card and you know it looks
easy, doesn't look like it's having an
effect or versus the mindset of I'm
honing in on on this debt and nothing
matters besides what I need to live.
>> Right.
>> Right. My rent, my food,
>> my tuition.
That's it.
>> Right.
>> Right. And even if it means, you know,
going to shab for Shabas to your parents
more more often. Right. Which by the
way, pe a lot of people are doing,
right? Right. They're
>> going away fish for shops cost, let's
say,
>> you know, a couple, let's say, let's say
they're making $500. Yeah.
>> Yeah. If they're hosting a meal,
>> for a couple $400 for average couple
between fish and meat and chicken,
especially if they're hosting a meal,
right? So, when you start really taking
apart these things, you realize, okay,
maybe maybe let's go away for Chabas,
you know, for for a couple weeks. And
all of a sudden, we're saving we're
saving money, right? You want to
eliminate anything you possibly could if
if you're in a case of debt
>> and then and then it becomes a hobby.
You enjoy to see how you're saving
money. D Ramsey has a great approach
which is spend less, have more. Like
it's a very simple approach and I I'm
the love of it. I agree on it. And even
for me, I live a good lifestyle. I have
a successful business. But I enjoy
saving money. I enjoy I enjoy not
spending. It used to be the opposite way
around. Today's days I enjoy I enjoy
finding a good deal. I enjoy going to
Marshalls and getting a good piece of
clothing for a good price. Like, and I
want people to get into the habit of
that. But even more, what I want people
to do is, and I want people to learn,
and this is my message. And I think I've
offended people by saying that they
should spend more money or make more. I
acknowledge, yes, I understand it's hard
to make money. It's hard to work a job.
It's hard to find a job that pays much,
and it's hard to work a job that you
feel you're not paying enough paid paid
enough. But the point is at least go
take the five minutes, write down a
budget, a future budget. What do you
want in your budget? Whatever wherever
you are. Somebody messaged me today back
and forth. Um, you know, it's like
you're engaging. You have a business. Of
course, your life is great. I'm 15 and
I'm single. I'm not doing anything. My
my life is bad. Like, you can stand in
the mirror and tell yourself positive
affirmations. I can't. And I said,
what do you mean? Like first of all, I
wasn't always engaged and I wasn't
always having a business. And when I
happened to have made that video that I
posted where I'm talking to myself in
the mirror, I I don't think I had a
business or a a kala at that time. So
like and then so I told him do these
things and then you'll get to where you
want to be by doing it. He's like I
can't fake. I said fake it till you make
it. Literally he can't. So that's what I
noticed a lot of people is the the
mindset is really limited. Meaning,
create a future budget. Write down, I
want to be paying for a house every
month, $5,000. Right? That's the average
mortgage price days. 5,000. You want a
nice car, right? So, write down, I want
to be paying $2,000 a month for a car
with the gas and toll and expenses,
right? That's the average price. If you
want to drive any kind of nicer car, you
want a nice watch, right?
>> Or you could even go down to the less or
even even for just even for just the
basics for some people. Correct. Even if
even for basics, make a list. Write down
what it is that you want. Don't just
live and say, "I give up." And then once
you have that basis, you can go and say,
"Okay, you know what? Either my job
right now is clearly not working or
maybe it is working, but the expenses
that I have is wrong." There's you you
have something to work on,
>> right? Again, do I have an income
problem? Do I have a spending problem?
Right? What what could I do more? Could
I do a side hustle? Could I refer
people? Could I go to to, you know, more
events and and meet more people in
different businesses and try to connect
people, right? Connectors make tons of
money.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, and and this is these are
things that you could do at night like
7:00. You could go to networking events.
>> Commission. You have to be willing to
put in the work if you want it.
>> I do many times. I do the acorns. First
of all, I love acorns cuz that's how I
bought my first house. Like I randomly
set it up two, three years ago for $100
a week. didn't even it didn't even take
out every week because if there's no
money in the account it doesn't take out
money
>> and then a few years later I'm like whoa
there's 20 grand in there that's almost
a down payment so I was like okay let's
use it for a down payment
>> so Acron's amazing and then they have
this like bonuses if you sign up four
people you get $1,000 cash
>> that's nice money
>> like I made it a habit to try to find
areas to make money wherever I go
whatever I do
>> right and and it I think the reason why
people are not doing what what you're
saying and and what I'm saying is is is
again because they don't see that it
will have significance.
>> Y
>> right. But just like you said, you're
putting in $100 a week and all of a
sudden you turn around and it's $20,000.
>> Right.
>> Right. That's a lot of money. They're
not seeing it.
>> Right. They're not seeing what the value
is going to be for the future. Right.
People are are very in the present.
Yeah.
>> And in the unfortunately in the past
also, but they're in the past, they're
in the present. And and they're not
looking towards their future. And and
when you start looking toward towards
your future, like there's a lot of
things that could be done and investing
is fun like like you just said like has
me per personally like you know like you
know my my wife actually sent me like
you know money that I didn't even know
that that she had in one of the accounts
to put into one of our investment
accounts.
>> It gets me it gets me excited. Yeah.
>> You know it gets me excited like more
money to invest more money to invest and
and like I don't want I don't want to
spend that money,
>> right? you know, I I want to I want to,
you know, not max out my investments
>> and that and that's more fun to me and
and right like it's it's really a
decision I always I always say this like
for me on a personal level is I rather
be struggling
>> than than to you know to actually either
be struggling or be successful. meaning
to say I don't want to live the middle
of the ground lifestyle for me
personally where it's like um you know
spend spend money on on a on an average
car right now I own a garbage car very
proud of it why because I want to enjoy
that lifestyle and know that I'm
building towards the future right so I
could be making the same money by the
way we sit with a lot of people who are
in the same exact boat two people let's
say making $150,000 one person is so
calm
>> he has things going putting away
>> towards his retirement he's maxing out
his his Roth IRA. He's he's he's putting
$150 towards his kids. He knows that,
you know, he's going to be able to pay
for his kids seminary, his kids Israel,
right? And one person is, you know, has
the Acura instead of the Toyota. And and
that makes the difference. And and if
it's just that small decision, like, let
me have the Toyota Camry or or let me
have the the cheaper car that I'll buy
for $6,000 instead of paying $800 a
month for for a car. These differences
could be huge. Right now, that person
has the Acura, but this person is going
to come to his child's wedding, $80,000
in the account when his child gets
married stress free. He's going to
dance. He's going to enjoy it. As
opposed to the person who's going to
have to refinance his house, go into
more debt, not not enjoy retirement for
what? For for for a little bit of a
nicer car. Right.
>> Right. So, it's
>> that's the awareness part.
>> It's it's the awareness. It's it's
education. It's education of of
realizing what you could do with with
those small extra dollars. And it's, by
the way, it's not a lot of money that
that it takes to to be to to get to
these levels, right? Let's say someone
has four kids and he puts $125 a month
for for each kid each kid when they're
born. Yeah.
>> That's about $90,000 per wedding.
>> Wow.
>> Right now, you may not want to make a
$90,000 wedding, and you don't have to,
but you could help your kids out a
little bit, right? You could set them
up. You could give them something that
maybe you didn't have or maybe you did
have, right? And and to get to that to
get to that level is what? $400 a month,
>> right?
>> Like we're not talking about huge
numbers. Like
>> you don't have to be rich to do
financial planning. Yeah.
>> You know, you don't have to be putting
away you don't have to be making $30,000
a month that where you could put away
10,000 of it into financial planning.
You could be making
>> $8,000 a month and put away 300.
>> Yes.
>> You could put away a hundred. Right. You
could start small. like you know pe
people are always upping people are
always upping their their thing because
it just
>> it builds it builds it builds the
mindset it builds the and again compound
interest it's the eighth wonder of the
world no one even understand even I
don't understand sometimes how it works
it's like you know let's say you're
making average of 8% a year right and
nothing's guaranteed right but let's say
average 8% a year it's like 8% on 8% on
8% and
>> it's like you would think it's 8% of of
what you put in right like like what's
8% it's it just compounds and all of a
sudden like you know we we run numbers
for people all the time. It's like,
okay, if you put in $125 a month towards
your child's kasa, your contributions
would be $28,000. You'd come out with
90. And the and like,
>> whoa. Like, where did the $70,000 come
from
>> as as opposed to paying the debt,
>> right?
>> It's a sale,
>> right?
>> It's one big sale.
>> You're buying a wedding on sale, you're
buying a house on sale, you're buying
whatever you want to buy, it's on sale,
>> right?
>> Used and this can be used towards
personal goals. Also, I have people have
accounts for a safe retire.
>> Oh, wow.
>> Right. like like people who want to do
extra things and they want to put you
know what let me put $25 away towards
safe tire I have people putting away
money a guy came to me he wants he has a
dream car
>> right he has a dream car he's putting
away money towards other things also but
he wants to put away some money to
towards a dream car like these are
things that that people want to do and
and
>> everybody can do it
>> and everybody can do it everybody can do
it some people can do it today and
they're not right for many different
reasons some people feel like they could
do it themselves right a lot of them are
making mistakes which also I think we we
should touch Right? Because a lot of
people a lot of people ask me and tell
me this is not an ad for me. You could
do it yourself. You could do go to any
other financial planner. You know, I
just want people to have money. Is is
why can I do it myself? Right. People
see there's Robin Hood like you said,
there's Acorns. There's there's things
out there and a lot of times what we
uncover is that there's simple easy
mistakes that that that people are are
doing which will cost them much more
than any fee.
>> Right? So like
>> example
>> people are in the wrong account right so
there's so many different types of
accounts out there with different tax
law with different tax laws different
things that you could do right so let's
say for a child's wedding there's
custodian accounts that that you could
use which is you know you're paying less
taxes
>> right so these small little nuances um
you know when it comes to retirement
some people are in traditional IRA when
they should be in Roth some people are
in Roth when they should be in
traditional and and these small mistakes
it could be they're right right it could
be their right but not necessarily do
they know that they're doing it right. A
lot of people like to do it themselves
and and and
some people could, but again, there
there's there's people out there who who
could really help you and and guide you.
And there's so many financial planners
out there. Um but there's people, you
know, that that could really take you to
the ne to that next level and and to
really uncover things that that you
didn't think. Yeah.
>> You know,
>> wow. What are some of the common things
that people overspend on?
I think we we
>> No, like meaning what if somebody wants
to save money today?
>> Yeah.
>> What should they what should they start
doing differently?
>> What should they start doing today to
save? You're talking about someone who
who is, let's say, flat.
>> Yeah.
>> So, a family that's flat again, they're
probably going to have to do something
extra.
>> Are they cutting budget on certain
things? Like, what should they do? I
>> If
>> we're buying food for $1,000, should we
buy now for $800 and save that extra
200?
No.
>> Okay.
>> Not no not flat no. But that's not
that's not necessarily the goal, right?
You don't want it because you don't want
them to have the mindset of let's cut
down and this is a burden.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. You don't want it to be a burden.
You want it to be fun.
>> Correct.
>> And it could only be fun when when you
you know that you're somewhat enjoying
your life and you know, yes, of course,
there's a concept of, you know, spending
less and not buying stupid things. And
like Dave Ramsey says, right, if you
can't afford it, just don't buy it,
right?
>> You know, know what you could afford. If
if you can't afford the the the Gucci
shoes, just don't buy it. Right.
>> Right. But but if if you're dealing with
someone who who has a decent income and
they could just make that little more,
generally that's the best route to go
because it's going to drive them more.
>> Right.
>> But but that that that doesn't
>> go upwards, not downwards.
>> Yeah. Go Exactly. Go up, not down.
>> Yeah.
>> You know what I mean?
>> Um
>> Yeah.
>> So, what specifically do you do? A
family comes to you today. What do you
do? You have a interview with them. Do
you talk to them? Do you give them to
one of your agents? And then what
happens? You have monthly follow-ups. If
somebody's considering now to say,
"Okay, you know what? Let me take a
financial planner. I want somebody to
help me. I want somebody, [snorts]
excuse me, to crunch my numbers and and
all." How does your process work?
>> Yeah. So, the exact process first we
have about probably a half hour meeting
where we're really getting to know the
person and their family with with the
finances, right? What are you making?
What are you spending? What do you do,
right?
What is what is what does financial life
look like to you? What are your goals?
Really just uncovering like everything
that that they want, right? Like they
want to travel, they want to do this,
they want to do that. Like in in a fun
way, right? Not not in a way of like
crunching numbers. It's more just like
fun. What do you want to accomplish?
>> Yeah.
>> Right. What do you want to be? Um once
we have that, right,
>> that's definitely fun. That's hard.
>> It is fun. Those are always very fun
conversations to have with people,
especially with, you know, people who
want to put away money for cify rats.
Like,
>> like people people [clears throat] have
people have goals, you know, people want
to travel the world. People want to have
goals. And we we want we want all that
because we want we want it to be fun.
It's not just about saving money for
things that you need. It's also about
having a good life, right? About travel,
you know, traveling the world for a lot
of people is is a big one for me
personally. That's why that's why I keep
saying it. Um but you know we really
want to uncover everything and and then
the next step which is the main step is
which I think is the most important
thing is planting all the seeds
>> right it's opening all the accounts
>> right towards all their goals. So, let's
say you know someone came, they have a
goal for to travel the world,
retirement, weddings, right? All those
things, but they can't put away money
yet. But we're going to open the
accounts, right? Feel it.
>> Feel the accounts open. Put in $10 a
month.
>> Wow.
>> You can't you can't you can't you
>> We're talking about a person who can't
afford it yet. Put in $10 a month.
>> Right. Start. Feel it. You have the
accounts. You have an app. You see it.
It's like it's like in your face like
you started something,
>> right? Once we're up to that level,
right, we're talking about someone a
family, well, if you go to a family that
could afford it, obviously we're
starting with with with more money,
right? And we're going based on what
they could afford. But once once you
start, then again, we build up and the
financial world is huge, right? So
eventually get into much bigger stuff
like business planning, right? So it's
very on a personal level, right? someone
has a business. We, you know, there's
ways to save on taxes and there's ways
to, you know, do certain things, open
certain accounts, you know, that we
could do many, many different things,
but first we want to plant all the basic
seeds and and and allow them to feel it
and and to grow from there. And, you
know, sitting down with them.
>> So, is this like a monthly meeting or
has
>> So, so it's it's very um dependent on
the person in the sense where we're
going to meet you, right? I'm I'm I'm
going to meet you. We're going to sit
down once a year to do a review, right?
Life's always changing, right? And and
sometimes they won't come back to us and
be like, oh, I want to up it, right?
Sometimes we'll have to sit down again
and all a sudden we uncover like, oh
wait, you have something more that that
we could do. So, generally, you know, uh
6 months to a year is generally when you
you meet clients again. But of course,
if someone ever wants to meet, we're
going to meet.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. Like if you have a change like
calendar is always open you know like
you have someone you have someone that's
there for your guidance 247 right
>> the phone is always available the the
WhatsApp's available the email is always
available
>> oh so it's not like a monthly thing it's
more like a setup and then 6 months
>> it's yeah exactly it's it's it's more of
a setup and and you know every six
months to a year we're seeing if if
things changed you know they could
always check in obviously
>> um but it's not like we're sitting down
on a monthly basis Because generally
things are not changing on, you know,
month-to-month basis. You know,
>> 6 months to a year, maybe a person had
another kid or they got a raise and they
didn't think of reaching out, right? So,
generally six to to 6 months to year is
generally, you know,
>> what about the weekly accountability?
You want to make sure that they're
actually logging their expenses, not
overspending.
>> So, so everything is done pretty
automated when when when it comes to to
to the investments,
>> right? And and and we're not we're not
really watching their expenses, right?
We're not watching what they're spending
in the in the grocery. They are right.
We're we're we're giving we're we're
teaching, right? We're teaching them
that you you want this,
>> right? You came here, you want this. You
you you know what you want to
accomplish. You know where you want to
see yourself. You know what to do on the
spending.
>> You know, you know you have to afford
this. Your money's coming out
automatically, right? If you're setting
up, let's say, $150 a month, that
money's coming out. You you have to
budget that. We we know that you could
cuz we figured that out in in the
beginning part
>> if a month you can't you could shut it
off if if you need to, right? You're not
trapped.
>> But but like at the end of the day, it's
like they want to afford it. Like I I
have investment accounts that like it's
every month like it's it's part of my
credit card bill,
>> right?
>> That's that that's the mindset. That
that's the mindset it goes in. I have
the same way I'm affording my I have to
afford my groceries. I have to afford
that. Now, of course, I'm in sales, so I
know I got to make that money.
>> Yeah. But but like even for someone who
has a job, right? Do something extra,
you know, if if you want it.
>> It all starts with wanting it. It starts
with, you know, and and and this is I
think your biggest thing and honestly
why I I think you're, you know, really
special is like you're all about the the
mindset and believing in yourself and
and I think today people don't believe
in themselves and and they don't think
that they could get more from from what
they have and they could. And some
people come out after this and say, "No,
what are you saying?" Right? like the
people came after you like and yeah,
there's obviously a level and and a
balance, but you know, they're going to
come after and they're going to say,
"No, how how could you expect someone to
to work more? They're coming home at
6:00 already." They're Yeah, you have to
want it.
>> Yeah,
>> there's a cost. There's a cost. And
>> I was going to say again, yeah, if you
want to make three If you want to be
able to pay $3,000 a month rent easily,
you ain't have to want it. That's for
sure. I'm not just validating. I have
love and care for every person that
struggles to come up with that money.
But the first thing that happens, you
have to want it. And if you want it,
write it down. Put it on a vision board.
Think about it. Talk about it. Make it
make it part of your life that you want
to make more money.
>> And a lot of people are doing this, by
the way. Sometimes I sit with people and
honestly I'm like, whoa. Like, how do
you do that? Like I sit with people and
they have a whole budget
>> on an Excel sheet. Every single thing is
logged. Every in every every insurance,
every every bill, everything. And I'm
like, wow. like like like they did the
work. People people are doing the work.
So for the people sitting at home who
are like are people doing this? Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> People are people are doing it. You know
people are taking the time to to put in
that effort
>> and yeah they they want it and and and
if you want it and you know you got to
go after what you want like there's no
handouts.
>> Yeah I agree. [laughter]
Very nice. Okay. [snorts] I think we
covered uh much of it. I didn't notice
even this. We're sitting here for an
hour almost or more. Um, it's very very
nice. Anything else that you wanted to
share that you thought maybe you want to
share with the audience?
>> I think just uh just to recap is is is
again the mindset shift. You know,
knowing that that your $100 today, we're
using $100 as an example is not 100. You
know, you have to look at what it's
going to be, what the future what the
future looks like. And just to really
have that mindset that that you know
that what you think is insignificant is
very very significant.
>> Yeah.
>> Very significant. And it really takes
families from refinancing homes and
paying debt for till they're 75 years
old to, you know, it's like massive
swings. Yeah.
>> Ma like it's almost like I I for, you
know, I one time saw this video like uh
it had like a plane, you know, and and
if you start off on a line and you veer
like just one degree, right? Just one
degree. How how over time you're
traveling
>> how how wide that gets
>> exactly
>> is is exactly financial planning. It's
like
>> from it's from debt to to to huge
>> like and and that's I think what you
know I I would say is something
something that's very very important.
>> Right. [snorts] Beautiful. Okay. Um
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