What Lies Ahead for Diaspora Jews? - Ari Abramowitz

Josh wer honor to have you uh I have conducted many many interviews in my life uh but this interview is particularly meaningful I feel a tremendous emotional charge and it's not uh because of just who I'm interviewing but the subject matter because this subject matter is Weighing on me very heavily I'm losing sleep at night I'm overwhelmed by it and on some level I feel alone in my fixation and concern about this issue uh that there's so few people that really uh share this this uh this pain and this fear that I have in my heart and you are one of them and you are doing much more than I and actually sounding the alarm and this is the issue of what uh faces our brethren in the diaspora our fellow Jews in the diaspora I found myself uh riddled with concern and anxiety about them literally missiles are falling into the country I'm thinking about them um because to me it's it's so very clear what what we're facing and um you have stepped up in a huge way you started you have a website you've gone on tours self-funded tours where you're going and sharing a message that no one wants to hear uh tell me what is what is your message and why do you feel like this is the time to be sharing it so first of all thank you Ari for having me um what you started off with I think is app propo because it's not about us as people it's about the topic and many people confuse that and think it's something that uh is about us something that we're we're trying to um push and therefore we um are the ones that should be held responsible for the conse consequences of what what we're saying and it's not about us at all it's all about us describing what we're seeing what we're perceiving around us and and the dangers that we're realizing around us like you when the missiles were flying uh one of my primary concerns beyond my my family were all my friends that were abroad not necessarily the ones that were living abroad but the ones that just traveled just for a couple days or a short trip in order to do their good work that they do and I immediately contacted them and said you know how are you going to get back you know what what what's going to bring you back you know you all airspace is closed over Israel over Jordan over the whole Middle East if even if you wanted to you couldn't get a flight in and Hike your way over the desert to get here like you're stuck wherever you are you're stuck those that my friends that were in Europe my friends that are in the United States they were just stuck and that's what prompted the post that I made which became so they got such a a a virent sort of response to it which was basically let me read the post go ahead you wrote what we experience last night speaking about Saturday night you wrote this post on Sunday um talking about Iranian missile drone UAV attacks on Israel you said what we experienced last night was just the pre-show get ready for the next stage lesson number one if you're here you'll be able to stay if you're not you'll be sealed out and then you your website getout now.org I don't know that I would have said it exactly like that but you said it you said and to me that's just so obviously true I mean we've seen it already in the past I remember when Corona happened I was so sure that after months of diaspora jury being feeling like they are stuck there that they couldn't come to Israel if they wanted to thousands tens of thousand doesn't matter how much money you have you are not able to return to the land of Israel I was sure that when the gates opened up there would be a tsunami a flood of Aliyah people that never want to be stuck on the other side there was some but it didn't it wasn't it wasn't a flood and so this is happening again and again and it's and each time it happens like when these missiles were coming in there was no coming to Israel the airports were shut that is a thing that can really happen I remember calling my friends in America I spoke to a number of different friends they're like we're thinking about you we're praying for you some of them were out with friends out to eat but like our hearts are with you we're thinking about you we're we're scared for you and I was thinking you're scared for me the greatest danger in my mind about them is they have no idea the danger that they're facing by being over there and um so you posted this and it was so interesting to me what uh some of the responses were you know um someone wrote I find your damning statements offensive I trust that Hashem will guide each of us in the right time it isn't your job to seal the borders or tell us what is what many of us yearn to be there but we can't be I know you mean to be encouraging but I'm not finding your statements to be you in charge God is and bashem he will guide and protect all of us your your statements are damning and offensive what what what do they your job isn't to seal the borders I don't I I literally could not understand and again scaremongering again why would you ever be sealed out from returning home is there just like basic history that the USS St Louis Jews that couldn't leave the you know there was nowhere to go they they couldn't leave the gates were shut stuck in Germany stuck in Austria stuck in the concentration camps giving anything to go it happens it has happened but anyways they're saying you're a scar why would the gates ever be shut the path all the path home always remains open so you know maybe all of you have made Aliah continue to praise for those who have not but uh but don't tell us that we will never be welcome in our Holy Land it's like what what are they responding to I I don't understand these as if you're saying that you're not welcome you're not only you're saying you're welcome you're urging them you're begging them to return home what is it what is the psychological thing that causes them to Pivot away from what your actual message is and say no no no you're you're not welcoming us or you're you want to seal each other you're judging us there's not any judgment there there's not anything to me it's literally sounding the chofar saying it's time to come home and why do I say that one scenario just one scenario that isn't unlikely Israel responds to Iran Iran responds to Israel something happens throughout this massively charged Tinder Box of the Middle East in the world right now and while this happens there is the gates are shut all air travel is down not only that sea is down shipments are down oil is down there's a global economic crisis that comes as a result of this and what happens in America the whole world already now they're blaming Israel for a response to Iran that we haven't even done yet there's a a massacre of genocidal proportions on October 7th we respond and all you hear is Israel's genocide you don't even hear about October 7th anymore it's so obvious that the Jews and is Israel will be blamed for whatever happens and every Jew anywhere in the world is going to have the finger pointed at them and when there's breadlines and when there's fear and when there's the societal fabric of America is already torn at the seams and from the right and the left Jews are in the middle it's so clear the Jews are going to be in a very dangerous and precarious situation and that's what it is it's saying come home and they're like stop judging me you're saying I'm not welcome where does this come [Music] from so first of all uh just a correction during Corona the gates were not sealed to everyone the Jews could come home but they would have to make the commitment of alyah they would have to become citizens and why do you think the state of Israel did that for practical reasons they they F they it it didn't rise the danger didn't rise to the level uh that they felt it was necessary to bring to restrict to restrict everyone and Jews obviously on individual basis those that wanted to come back uh could do so by making that going through the Aliyah process and they would be checked and made sure that they don't have any any any which is by the way has not to do with Corona there the one of the law of return uh one of the the exceptions of the law of return is if somebody's a wanted criminal if somebody has a contagious disease if somebody's somebody's deemed to be a danger to society then they're then they're not they're not going to be able to come back um so on an indiv individual basis that wouldn't be a problem um I think that and this is definitely all about God uh God has upped the game here and shown that even even if you want to make Aliyah even if you're an Israeli citizen even if you're an an a a a soldier in the IDF even if you are it doesn't matter who you are you if you're Brad when things start to happen they there is going to be a ceiling of the gates and people are not going to be able to return now why why this response as I mentioned to you I I think that the response is because there are people that this hits a nerve it's very they're very sensitive to this um they feel that they're good Jews living abroad and they're doing what they feel is is what they need to be doing so God will not abandon them in their time of need and when someone comes along and says but the reality is different and we're in danger right now right we're 1938 Europe and with all you know God is definitely controlling the world but he's also giving us an opportunity to act in migil EST there are two queens there's vashi and there's Esther and the Von the gr says that both of these Queens represent the Jewish people some people are shocked hear this how they understand how Esther Queen Esther how does vashi represent the Jewish people so he explains that there are two segments of the population you have the the the Jews that are like vashi vashi was a passive Queen when she was invited to the party she said I'm I'm not going she I don't have to lift a finger I'm sitting back here I'm doing doing my thing and then there was the Esther Mala Jews that wanted to be proactive and understand you had to do things in order to get things done today there are two segments of of the Jewish population there are those that are sitting back in Exile and they're saying we we want mhia now right we want Messiah we don't have to do anything right we're going to sit back and wait for messiah to redeem us and then there's the Ester Mala the proactive segment of the population that understands that we have to prompt the Redemption the G we play a pivotal role in yes so so this exists today there you have you have a large portion maybe half of the Jewish people that are are not in the land of Israel and they're saying we're just waiting to be redeemed we're we're waiting for mashiach to come we don't have to do anything God's going to take care of us and you know it's like the famous uh the famous mash the parable that's given about the guy that's that when there's a flood and and and they send God sends out sorry a boat comes to save him and he says you know God's going to save me and then a helicopter comes to save him and God's going to save me don't worry and then he drowns and he comes to Heaven he says you know God I trusted completely you why didn't you i s you the boat I sent you the helicop I sent you everything so what what do God is for 75 years plus has created us a an a state for the first time in 2,000 years that we can return to he's opened up our gates he's welcomed that we created a law of return that allows everybody to come back gives them stiens gives them assistance teaches them their Hebrew language it it it uh it gives him a free one-way flight here I what on the wings of eagles we we can just get on a flight flight and you can come back to to your to your Homeland your ancestral Homeland and for 75 years Jews many Jews have sat back and said we're just waiting for msia to come and save us we're coming to a point in history where that is about to end in my in my my belief I I think that Hashem has been very generous much more so than he than than the cases in in other times in history during the the Crusades during the inquisitions during the Holocaust during you know all these different times and and there are warning signs that are been given given to us right that the corona like you mentioned was a warning sign and he and he's saying come now our gates can be closed they can be they can be sealed you know come now and then then that didn't if some people came most didn't and then the next stage happens and now it's being sealed completely to everybody including Israelis and they come now because and these are all warning signs that are being sent us that it's time to leave now it's time to come home I I feel like I just need to stand on a roofed Up and Scream pack a backpack just get a backpack make a one-way ticket and come to Israel now I know that that's not effective and the truth is that I I feel like I've had pretty good message discipline over the years that because I I'm obviously a believer in Aliyah I believe on a spiritual religious theological level that the land of Israel is the home of the nation of Israel and this is where we flourish and so I I share a message of of of mission just the mission here the joy the the Fulfillment the happiness that is the result and that's been my message for so long because it's true I feel like on some level it's beneath the Dignity of the land of Israel to be scaremongering and so it's it's much better to attract people and that's you know the Prophet yahu The Prophet Jeremiah says there's going to be the Fishers yeah I always felt sort of like a Fisher and then there's going to be the hunters that are going to come for those that didn't come with the fishing and I cannot so for me yes it's beneath the Dignity of the land of Israel to say leave the America now come home now your life is in danger but I don't care right now about dignity I don't care about anything I don't care about theology or religion or any of that I just want the Jewish people to open their eyes see that something is happening right now there's a different spirit that is coming and I know that people see this I talk to my friends and my family in America they feel it they feel it from the people that they encounter they see that it's coming yes it used to be the the far-left that that hated Jews and were anti-u and they were marching withas andah now it's coming from the right also the right is becoming increasingly replacement theologist you know the Tucker Carlson and talking about dual loyalty and uh Candace Owens Candace Owens and so it's coming from the right it's coming from the Le from the left used to be that I think the Jews would would conflate and they would say yeah I'm I'm a Democrat liberal Democrat and so that's my Jewish identity I'm a Jewish liberal Democrat and that's and I'm one of them I'm I'm I've raised funds for Biden like obviously I'm one of you right they they conflate that and then they're saying oh wow it doesn't matter how Democrat I am how liberal I am I'm a Jew to these people and a lot of Jews on the Orthodox Jews conflate their identity with the hannes and the Tucker Carlson and they just take for granted that they're pro-israel conservatives and that's Judaism and all of a sudden no it's not and all of these identities that we've latched on to these Illusions these Idols are being shattered before our eyes and we're coming to the terms we're just a Jew that's it we are Jews nothing else we're not conservative right-wing Republicans we're not left-wing liberal Democrats we're just Jews and that is terrifying people but it's terrifying them so much that I think they're just shutting it off not listening to it and that's why what you wrote and what you're writing and what we're saying saying is striking such a nerve you even said to me on the phone cuz I I read this and I read the responses uh there's so many more responses but I called you and you said actually those people are fortunate right explain that uh before I explain it if I could just respond to what you just said first of all another teaching from miger where we're right post for him right now so this is obviously uh on my mind uh right exactly so so the the story everybody knows the story of porm and the Milla and Esther and everything's going well and the Jewish people are very very connected and influential and they're even invited to the to the king's private party they they they're really in they're in in in the in the no and then there's a Twist in the plot as we all know and hon takes the ring from AOS from the King and he vows to annihilate the Jewish people and the Milla says that the city of was now what's the translation of means perplexed confused right so so there was a great Rabbi that asked the question what a strange adjective you know if you woke up exactly you woke up and you opened up your newspaper you turned on your phone it says you're about to be wiped out what would be What feelings would overcome you so you can imagine you'd be terrified you'd be upset you'd be distraught you'd be uh scared lots of adjectives you can use but why would you be confused so he says that's precisely the adjective that needed to be used cuz the Jews then like the Jews of America today thought that they had all the connections in the world they had connections in the White House they Connections in the Senate King's Feast eating and drinking from the vessels of the temple so so much did they Embrace this Persian they had connections in the Biden administration had connections with the Trump campaign this could never happen to them and then all of a sudden like this it's happening to them and they wake up in morning and they're in a state of confusion how could this H how could this be now that having been said there has been an Awakening since since s since October 7th there's been an Awakening uh my friend Dove Litman told me that there is a there is an annual course that's given by the je Jewish agency in the United States on the foundations of Zionism on an average year they have between 100 and 150 attendees to this course he says since October 7th they've had over 9,000 applications that means that and he attributes it I think correctly to the fact that there are many many unaffiliated Jews in America that woke up on October 7th and realized that as unaffiliated or as Affiliated as they are they're going to be targeted as Jews and they realize that if we're already be targeted as Jews we probably should find out what this means to be a Jew because you know we're going and this this is really caused just a tital wave um of an identity crisis that's going on in America today um I would even call it an identity Awakening meaning the crisis would be if this weren't happening and I don't know if it's happening to the yet to the extent that it needs to happen unfortunately the Jewish people always figure out what's going on too late this is our problem for Jewish history when I was I spent a year going back and forth to Ukraine helping with the refugees and I didn't realize I always wondered growing up how is it that Jews remained in Europe pre-war Europe between 1933 and 1939 between know when Hitler Rose the power until the Holocaust began how is it possible that they stayed like why why didn't they get up and leave and then I watched in the Ukraine as bombs were falling on cities and people were saying to me oh it's okay it's going to pass know tomorrow it'll be better next week it'll be fine and I'm just looking at them incredulously what are you talking about you're being bummed your houses there dis like what do you what do you and and we're watching it today unfold around the world um whether it be in Europe anti-Semitism is out of control in the United States as you as you correctly said coming from all different sides and it's just going to take one little event I don't know what that event is but one little event that will push it over to the point where I'm not sure that they're going to point at Israel maybe it could be um but definitely the Jew will be I mean this is we created the idea of a scapegoat I mean we we are the the Eternal scapegoat the Jewish people will always be blamed for what happens and in United States I I hate to say it but in some ways the Jews are responsible for what's going on I mean there there is a very large portion of the Jewish people that are very involved in the politics that we're seeing unfold today um there there are many Jews that uh are on high positions in the government um national state federal local government and and they these people are going to be blamed right the the this this the Secretary of the Treasury is a Jew right these are people they're going to look at them and they're going to say you guys are the ones responsible the people that even whether it's true or not that we run Hollywood we run the media what whatever you want to call it we're going to be blamed for it and and Jews around the world need to be prepared they need to be ready for what's about to come and again this is not about me being judgmental I I I I I just told your wife your dear wife I said I said I I I would hate to be in a position where I have to ever say I told you so that is that that is the last that ship has sailed that ship has sailed but of course not you don't want to be saying I told you so um unless there is something that you've said that now I told you so where you can say now you can educed from that look what's happening now that's what I feel like uh right now I'm in that position at this very moment because I've been saying that exactly this thing is going to be playing out I've described it over the years Jeremy always said oh you're crazy you're crazy and now it's happening and now so friends of mine are now listening to me more closely because I've said up until now what's going to happen and it's not because I'm a prophet I don't have any insight I don't hear any Godly voices it's just clear if you're not afraid to look at the reality of the world for what it is is and you see the clear and you understand the psychology of tan you understand the Deep spiritual roots of what's Happening you don't get lost in the political facades like oh it's the Palestinians wanting uh autonomy and you you understand like this is a global Jihad and it's a battle all the way from Ismael and Y and what's really happening here sorry and as right and ASA it's that's what it's all playing out um well I just want to say yes please that I I I have nicknamed myself Cassandra it's it's not because I've transitioned but because if you're familiar with Greek mythology Cassandra is a is a woman who was blessed with the ability to see the future but was cursed that no one would believe her so she was the daughter of Troy and she tried to warn her father that the Trojan Horse was a was a trick and that and and of course he didn't listen and we know what happened um this is the story of all the nvim all of our prophets I mean they they' constantly tried to warn the Jewish people of what's about to happen that's why you said this Cassandra thing it never spoke to me to we don't have to borrow from Greek mythology meaning no but I'll tell you why because the the the Talman says the gamar says that Hon's seal was able to accomplish what 70 prophets were not Isaiah Ezekiel Jeremiah the acceptance of the Ring of of of right meaning the prophets are calling the Jewish people to return their hearts to God to believe in him and not in these Illusions and not these Idols that we constantly believe in throughout history the Biden Administration and our technology all right think about what what an American Orthodox Jew is thinking he agrees with everything you just said right we have to do chuva we have to return to God the question is what that means practically for them that means we have to D in better we have to learn better we have to do more and more mitv that that that's that's their idea what they what they often refer to as putting a brick in the bet mikdash that's how they build the bet mdash is by they're doing their their their Good Deeds abroad and this this is a I think a fundamental flaw in our generation because this could have been the case for for Generations in which we didn't have a land of Israel that we could return to by the way a third of The Commandments can only be performed here so if you really are serious about Commandments this is the place to do it but the Jews that are brought are thinking to themselves obviously there we're living in troubl times right there's definitely messages going on but what what what do I what do I learn from this what what what practically can I do and they don't see moving to the land of Israel as a practical step and I and I and I have to put a lot of the blame on their leadership there are rabbis around the world that are afraid to speak up and afraid to say the truth which is it the time has come it's time to get up and move to arod Israel and they say that the best of them say okay so create a 5-year plan create a 10-year plan figure out after you retire you know I was once speaking in for for a week in the Five Towns New York and I spoke to hundreds and hundreds of Jews about Aliyah then afterwards I came back to to to Israel and on Shabbat after the Kish they asked me new knew what's going on Josh in in America so I said well I spoke to hundreds of Jews about Aliyah and each one had an excuse as to why they can't make Aliah their job their mother their children their grandchildren their this that their house their their business whatever it is they they they had their excuses but they said almost every one of them you know I have a daughter that's learning in seminary in AR I have a son that's studying in Yeshiva I have another son that he's serving in the IDF I have a daughter who's married has children she lives in yush I said to this group I said I believed that I was speaking to the D midbar the the the the the generation of the Wilderness right they knew that they were cursed that they would not be able to to make it into the land of Israel but they knew at least that their children would survive that's literally what I thought I was speaking to because everybody had I I can't make it what can I do but at least I have a child there at least I and that is actually the the biggest message if you can get your children to come here and and and and start to make that move one thing I've realized is um you know I used to be like okay Aliah we got to do Aliyah my message is no longer Aliah I don't think Aliah should even be on the thing what what what is my message right now come for um a sabatical come for six months come for six months come for one year better a one year you can't make a decision in six months and do your very best in that year and if at the end of the year you want to go back then you know what you gave it a go you gave it a shot go back but just come for that year because why do I say that because even though that year will almost definitively be challenging it is difficult to make Aliyah it's it's sometimes painful to make Aliyah but during that year the satisfaction you get that intangible meaning the the spark that you see being kindled in the eyes of your children while they're here that will just you won't be able to you won't be able to go and also we're it's such a point in history that I just want you to be here for this year just come for this year go back go back it's fine it's more no really I'm I'm saying it's more digestible it's more um achievable to say I'm just going for a year so that's that's a big part of of my question because you know when I when I go to America and when I'm seeing America from here sometimes you got to step out and see it and you see the fabric holding that country together it's so Fray that it's almost like it's it's disc it's two different countries that you're looking at I'm afraid that the United States will not survive 2024 that is my fear I think whatever survive means I I happen to be a big fan of the president and I think that President Biden is the Aliyah candidate um but and I don't think he's actually going to run but that's another story um whatever happens as an outcome of the election if an election even happens is going to be disastrous and it's literally like you say going to just going to pull the fabric of the United States but I don't that's if we get there I don't see we get there I'll tell you why I don't think we're going to get there because China sees Biden a weak president and all he'll do is say Korea all of them everybody sees the Biden Administration small window of opportunity they have this is the window of opportunity in a world with nuclear weapons and tyrants and authoritarian countries seeking to make their moves and if Trump gets in they know that's it that's so they need to make their move at least before the next elections I think something big is going to be happening around pesak right now and which is why I just think people need to just open their eyes and say okay book a ticket now where am I going to stay we'll figure it out people slept on the streets outside the knesset when they made Aliah from Taman and from all these count these Arab countries in 48 it'll be fine it'll be fine it will be fine one of the issues because one thing I just want to say here Josh is that everybody says oh you think a holocaust is going to happen in America you think a holocaust no no obviously the Holocaust cost thing already happened we always look at The Superficial external trappings and and get lost in those and say it's not going to be the Nazi regime Ah that's that was unique to the culture of Germany I think America is a very different country it's a much more philosemitic country there's really good God-fearing people in America God-fearing Christians who love the Jewish people who would die for Israel it's a it's a different situation what I see happening in America and I'm not a prophet something's going to happen but what I see happening is that that Civil War that you're talking about is going to be ripping that country to shreds and they're going to be ripping each other apart and when that happens the Jews are going to get the brunt of it worse than any other anyone else I I am not a follower of abam Fred the singer so I don't believe that no Jew will be left behind I think that just like in Egypt where you see that 80% of the Jewish people decided upon their own made their own decision they're going to stay behind and and Egypt and they perished in the in the plague of Darkness I think unfortunately we're about to see the same thing happen today um I hope they prove me wrong I hope they all they all come back after they're seeing this video but I can tell you that that I have no reason to believe and I don't see anywhere that it's mentioned that one of the fundamentals of our faith which is the the the fundamental of having free will is going to be suspended that all of a sudden God is going to create a world in which which there's not going to be free will and everybody's going to be forced to get up and move to Israel people will be able to make a choice and they will be able to choose just like they are right now do they want to be here or do they want to be there that that that that will be a decision that they're going to make and and and the majority of them and and I again I'm not trying to to be judgmental here but the ma the majority I'm not going to give numbers a very large percentage of Jews sit in another week they're going to be sitting at the pesak Seder and they're going to be saying next year I should be in Jerusalem and they know very very well there was a great Rabbi once said you know there are two times a year on the pesak after the pesak Seder and on Yumer after Yumer that Jews put up their hands to the heavens and they scream and they lie in the face of God because they know very well that they have no interest whatsoever in being in Jerusalem next year they just built their nice mansion their nice chandeliers there's no interest whatsoever going so what what are they who are they fooling that they're saying next year we're going to be in Jerusalem Ari I just came back from the United States from a speaking tour and I purchased this product which I never believed I would ever see it may or may not have come to all the people the viewers the communities yet um but when people say to me you know there are a lot of I I speak all the time to delegations that are coming to Israel and these delegations come here and they're so proud you know there they they they say to me you know it's it's war time in Israel it's so dangerous to be here and we're going to come anyways and we're going to show our solidarity with Israel and I tell them what are you talking about you think the danger is here I my my 8-year-old daughter she heard a couple years ago that there was a global campaign of Jews around the world that were coming to say to hilum they were saying Psalms for the Jews here in Israel because they were shooting Rockets from the Gaza Strip and she comes to me she says AB I don't understand why they're saying to Hill and for us we should be saying it for them they need it a lot more than we do my 8-year-old gets what most American Jews don't but the danger my my my gauge of where it's safest for a Jew to be is where you could openly be Jewish in the streets here in erit Israel more than ever before people are openly Jewish in the streets and around the world what's going on people are hiding the fact that they're wearing a yamama they're hiding their their Star of David they're hiding their their tiit right and now you see this this is called camo zuza this is a device that they created in the States now it has a blinking red light it looks like an alarm system you put it over your muza so you can hide the fact that you're Jewish wow I just want to make sure I I understand this camua you put your muuza inside of it you put it over your mza on your over your mza and it is an alarm system it's not an alarm system it looks like an alarm system so it'll fool people to think that's that's not a Jewish mauza on your door that's just an alarm system can I tell you the the great irony you were talking about the fact that we're approaching the Passover seder and people are going to have the afikoman and what is the memory of what that is what is that symbolize the pasam the Passover sacrifice and what was that the Egyptian what was the greatness of it it wasn't some you know one of the tragedies I think of what happened to Judaism in the Exile was that it became a abstract atomized ritualistic religion as opposed to being a holistic infused with meaning um world viw life that that it is in Israel that's it becomes holistically integrated in Israel and a great example of that is the Passover sacrifice the what was that sacrifice the Egyptians worshiped the lamb and now we're commanded to take the Lamb of our slave masters who have been our slave masters psychologically physically for hundreds of years slaughter their God in front of them we can't put it in our oven and call it roasting a chicken no we have to skew it whole we have to tie it to our beds for 3 Days beforehand to show the Egyptians that show and then we we roast it outside our home skewer at whole meaning that if the red Redemption didn't come the Redemption that God has promised did not come then every Jew who did that they would be killed and so a lot of Jews didn't do that because their fear of the Egyptians eclipsed significantly Their Fear of Moshe and the god of Israel and they essentially cast their own lot you know they say this by by the Revolutionary War in the United States they say that every single signature on the Declaration of Independence was signing their death right they knew that if they signed this document and it became public that every one of them will be hanged they were literally signing their death and they understood this this is it but we have to do it because we believe in a higher a higher power we believe in a higher existence we believe in a goal that that is more than just our own lives and they were willing to take that's what I think that this pesak sacrifice really represents for every Jew that is having a Seder and they have that AFI Coman really what it means at this point in history what does it mean to Slaughter that lamb it means all of your fears and all of the materialism and all of the the the Illusions and the idols that are preventing you from actually coming back to the land of Israel you are casting your own lot and you are could God forbid be among those 80% of Jews that the SES say did not leave the land of Israel you know and that's like it's so clear that this is not like an abstraction and so what and who do we remember as the one that actually facil facilitated The Exodus from Egypt it was right the nation of Israel got to the Sea and they saw the Egyptians on one side coming with their chariots they saw the Sea on the other side what were they going to do please send the temple down from the heavens we're waiting we're waiting and one person said no it actually is about our action we need to do something to meet God halfway that's why there there is a creation to begin with for us to be able to Catal ize and facilitate and act on our faith and he went so far into the water and then only then did the waters part and that's I think that those Jews who are willing to go into the water right now that's what Aliyah is that's what coming to Israel is and if not God forbid but you could be among the 80% that's that's I I would always wonder I was like I remember thinking uh Seinfeld I was like Seinfeld everybody loves Seinfeld he makes everybody laugh Jews non-jews number one show in America if they turned against us in America they're going to turn against Seinfeld I don't know why it's so funny in my mind that I always thought s like how would that actually look and then someone just sent me a link of Seinfeld walking down the street being harassed Harang Nazi genocidal Nazi you can say oh they were saying that because he's a June it's about Israel it's always got a different mask it's always got a different thing but every Jew in America is feeling it I have cousins and family had rocks thrown at their manora on kanah that was in their window everybody's feeling it don't stick your heads in the sand look at it for what it is and recognize that you come to Israel you have millions of your fellow Jewish brothers and sisters waiting for you we've got your back it can be challenging but we've got your back it's going to be okay children beautiful there's a beautiful medari that says that a loveo in the end of times that erit is going to be like a huge hurricane and those that are looking from the outside they're going to see this hurricane they're say that is the most dangerous place in the world to be but those that are inside those are in the eye of the storm it's going to be completely calm here and there at the is going to be completely calm and it's only from the outside that it looks like it's this the most dangerous place to be it's the same thing today people say that that how can you go there it's so dangerous and they don't understand that this is where this is going to be the Refuge this is going to be that that's what all the prophets speak about it's clear lit this is going to be the last Refuge of the Jewish people yeah they say the chicken grows as the egg decays right when you're looking at the egg from the outside it looks really bad right but from the inside something new is being birthed and that's what's happening right now one of the great Aliah pitches you know we're out here on the Southeastern tip of settlement in Judea we don't have fences security we're just here I feel a tremendous amount of uh Serenity and peace and security here even as the sirens are going off I yes I did put my family in in the safe room but I walked outside and I was patrolling and and protecting and I looked up in the sky and it was like I felt like I was watching the celestial Angels battle on our behalf these missiles are seeking a missiles shooting and we're just sitting here in the eye of the storm secure and protected this is the only place that I actually really feel secure and protected and safe and uh and so what one of the things that the best Aliyah pitches is this nearby Village called IB Hana okay they live in Caravans a few they're starting to build homes now they were advancing on the building of the homes that sto stopped October 7th by and large but um you go to these homes and you see families in Caravans seven kids nine kids 11 12 kids in a caravan Now in America we know the connotation of a trailer trailer home and it's like it here it is the opposite right and I I I take people to go to meet these kids because listen it's not every kid in America there's a lot of great kids coming up in America but the kids there are facing challenges that are cripplingly overwhelming and disproportionately affecting them where a lot of them I see I meet them here and they're like drooling watching their devices 10 hours on Tik Tok and then I and they're confused and they're in their colleges and the Palestinian and what about their narrative and of course I'm going to write my pronouns on my thing and just the confusion and weirdness and disorient and then you meet the kids here okay and yeah maybe they're living in a caravan they weren't raised with all the amenities but they're they're working out why are they working out because they want to get into the best unit they can get into trying to draft early to go and fight the wars of Israel to protect the Jewish people with a Jewish pride and a physical and a spiritual and emotional strength and I'm like I would rather live in a beat up leaky Caravan in that Hilltop over there than in a mansion five stories in New York not a question it's not even particularly close that is so obviously so there's no danger there's no fear people have this fear fear of downgrading their material Level of things it may be a little uncomfortable but what you will get instead of that material Comfort is so far out out disproportionately eclipses any sort of Joy you'll get which ultimately means nothing because if your kids are going and intermarrying and buying the woke nonsense that you've paid $120,000 to get them a degree to pay someone to brainwash your children to vote for Joe Biden and interent marry what's any of it worth it's not worth anything Lo was told by the Angel by the Mal that sadom is about to be wiped out it's going to be destroyed and the Torah says he would delayed in leaving it's one of the few times in the Torah that we use the Trum of sh and Rashi asked this obvious question what is he delaying right he knows that God is about to wipe out sedone and he he says because of his mama because of his 401k he was afraid to leave his wealth behind and that's why he delayed and we're living in the same situation today we know that the end of a of a of of a generation an end of a civilization is happening right now this is this is the the the fall of an Empire and everybody's watching it and people are starting to feel it but they're all delaying and what what's making them delay most of them is because of their materialism that they they don't want to leave behind and that's that's unfortunate but that's but like you said there's no question that there will be a downgrade in in physicality but that will by far make be made up by the spiritual growth that they that you will attain right um I have a lot more to talk about a lot more to say I think we should do a part two to this but I don't want people to be too intimidated by the length of this interview that they won't even start it to begin with because this is I think one of the most important messages to get out and uh when you go to the states is it received well what what there has to something that is making you go back again and again cuz I said people are like they say don't even try nobody's going to listen to you I'm like it's not about quantity the Jewish people are not a quantity people we're a quality people if I touch one person if there's one person that hears what I'm saying and says maybe it's time to go home that this is not the future then the whole thing is worth it for me it's not a statistical thing it's is that your feeling what what is it that strengthens you in this very lonely mission to go there cuz I have one more question after this and then then yeah so so for many years um I got a a ton of push back um going to the states and preaching Aliyah especially if I because often I combined my speeches about alyah with some sort of appeal for Israel or for some sort of Israeli cause and they said how dare you come here and take our money on one hand and then go tell us that we have to get uproot ourselves and leave and not only that that's I I we have to mention that that one of the biggest arguments that that I that I get has been either that Jews need to be in stay in Exile because we're funding Israel without us Israel is not going to be able to survive right right that's a big argument or the flip of that which is that we're so influential on the political realm that you know without us pushing our governments and our our Representatives you know where would Israel be now if we didn't if we didn't have our power in in government that we're able to Advocate on behalf of Israel which I think are both flawed but getting back to what your question was uh in the past couple years I will say every time I've gone to the states I've got zero push back it's amazing I mean people are not you know packing their bags and leaving don't get me wrong no but they but they understand that they understand that what I'm saying is not so clarify that when you say they're not packing their bags and leaving I know people are making all right now you're saying in the mass ways you would expect Maj majority of the people I speak to are not ready to leave but they all get it if they don't get it consciously they get it subconsciously they understand there's something there is an earthquake going on beneath them they feel it quite literally in the past two weeks there was an earthquake for the biggest one in in in a in a generation in the New York uh area I I I couldn't believe it I turn you know we're living in such special times it's so easy to be you know to forget what what happened yesterday was it a week ago that this earthquake happened two weeks ago I I turn on my phone it's right before Shabbat I turn on my phone and I start getting alerts earthquake in the five towns earthquake in Lakewood earthquake in Brooklyn I'm like this has got to be a joke right first of all there nobody thinks about earthquake like La maybe but but you know in the middle of of New York you know and I'm I'm reading this I'm like this has got to be a epicenter of Jewish life diaspora the week after April so I figured maybe it's an April full joke I have I have no idea what what's going on here and then I hear that is really happening and it's just like messages messages being sent and then then and then all of a sudden we turn on our phones and we see there all of a sudden there's there's hundreds of of of suicide drones and there's missiles being launched to Israel and and and and all of a sudden it's all over and and and and we forget about it it's like it's like okay that that's yesterday's news you know that nothing happened anyways who cares and and these are such strong messages that are being sent us and and it's the rambam myod says that when these messages are being sent to you those that don't take it to heart and don't go do chuv do something change their lives because of it it's he he refers to it as it's it's cruel they're being cruel because why because God has to keep sending more and stronger messages more and more stronger messages in order for you to get it if you don't get it when the messages are relaxed and calm when something happens and there's some sort of disaster somewhere in the world and you don't get the message then he has to bring it closer and closer until it is affecting you directly until you get the message so by the way a lot of people say when I take that line of reasoning they say well you don't understand God's word all of a you're able to interpret his messages you know what the message is and I say no I don't but I do know that God is communicating with us and we're supposed to try we're supposed to seek understanding and if we seek understanding and we really look at the event and say what is Hashem really telling us that for a moment I'm not going to be afraid of seeing it or hearing it but I'm really going to see it for what it is and then we hit the truth you feel it you feel it in your heart that you hit the truth if it's an interpretation that you have coded upon it in order to hear what you want to hear okay you don't feel that in your gut you know what what I'm saying is like it's just a matter of being intellectually honest and courageous enough to see what it is and saying Hashem please help me understand what you're trying to communicate right now the ramom is is abundantly clear when things happen and he was not this cabalist he was quite the opposite of a cabalist right he was a guy that that was very much into science and into nature and he says that when something happens when there's a plague when there's a drought when when when there's an earthquake when something's going on you we need to take that to heart and take and understand this is a message this is not just H there's things do not happen randomly um there there are things that it's true there are certain things that we because of the the the amount of progress that we've had in science we're able to foresee that there's going to be an eclipse way before it happens so an eclipse to me is not the same as an earthquake we don't we can't predict earthquakes we can't predict an eclipse way in advance so all the people that that have this whole thing about the eclipse okay whatever Eclipse to me is not nearly as powerful as when there's an earthquake is when there's there's missile strikes when there what whatever those are things that we cannot predict they're going to happen when they happen we have to take it to heart not not only not only are we allowed to take it to heart we have to it's cruel the rambam say is not to take it to heart we're living in such Spectacular times and and you know this is this is one of the things when you have to see reality um too singer said it beautiful he he said that you know the the the prophets this is actually a shocking statement but but it's it's 100% true the prophets are not always right I says how could that be the prophets are always right that's God's words no the prophets are right when they're prophets prophesizing but often you see that the prophets receive a prophecy which is 100% correct this is God's word and then they interpret that prophecy incorrectly the reality that they see they just don't understand for example many examples but uh natana Nai is asked by King David King David says should I go build the temple and Nat Go For It Go build a temple and then he gets a message from God don't tell him stop this is this is not his job there are times when the the Nim also are wrong that they misinterpret the reality of what's going on around us he mentions this by the the three o that are mentioned in the gar in in inot and one of those OES that as many rabbis misinterpreted was that we're not supposed to go back and mass to to Israel we're not supposed to go back to the land of Israel and he says that under the reality that they saw this made perfect sense to them the way it was but today we're living in a different reality the the the idea that he explains which I think is beautiful I mean I never heard this interpret the first time from him is that unlike all the other nations that have conquered Israel from having an army that was outside the Romans the Turks the British they had their huge armies and they came into Israel and they conquered Israel we're not allowed to do that we're not allowed to conquer from the outside what what happened to us we came the Jewish people came back to isra we built an army from within we didn't come and Conquer it from the outside we built an army from within but you would never understand that right if you were living hundred years ago how would you understand that the Jewish people are going to return in millions in Mass back to Israel without any armies we're not going to conquer is we're going to build an army from within and we're going to we're going to be a stronger these are things that the S they're great rabbis that that were a that just misunderstood just like just like the N it's not it's not it's not a slight on them the prophets themselves made mistakes they they saw prophecy and they just didn't understand the reality they we're sing we're living in a reality today that half of the Jewish people perhaps are are just completely Miss interpret misinterpreting what's happening yeah I I hear what you're saying my aversion to that entire line of thinking is that you don't need so a secular uh you know Jew that is not you know what's the word for dis unaffiliated Jew could be like okay that whole language doesn't speak to me I'm not a believer in God I'm not so let's just walk away from this entire subject because the I'm not making the purpose of my calling this interview that speaks to me and there's religious Jews that that may speak to in the in Brooklyn and whatever but the majority of Jews my message to them is this is not about any sort of theological prophetic fulfillment this is just an issue of look at history open eyes right now open your eyes right now see the writing on the wall it's happening again it never hasn't happened there's no country we've ever gone to where we've stayed there forever it's time to come to the only place that you're actually physically safe you're a reformed Jew you're what come bring your reformed stuff here I have a friend who whose daughter studies in NYU it used to be fondly called NY Jew because of the large Jewish St student body and he he now refers to it as NYU he says his daughter and her roommate were locked in their dorm room for two weeks straight afraid to leave their dorm rooms I don't know why he keeps his daughter there that's another story but but the the Jews that are be completely unaffiliated are are now wak I I like I said I deal with delegations from America all the time religious secular whatever for the first time there's another phenomenon that I just realized I never had secular Jews the vast majority in the past few Decades of Aliyah the vast majority of olim of immigrants to Israel have been religious Jews vast majority somehow affiliated with Judaism I I've gotten in the past just since October 7th I've gotten so many people that are completely unaffiliated this they say that you know we have not nothing to do with Judaism but we're thinking for the first time about Aliyah but again I I I hope that they're not coming and and and I'll say it in two ways the majority of Jews that have come back to Israel have come here because they're running away from something that's just a a fact you know we ran away from Europe we ran away from Taman and Morocco and and we just we were running away from something fortunately when once we got here we realize that this is the place that we want to be there are many Jews around the world and they they use this as a temporary uh stepping stone we're we're we're going to run away during Corona that we saw this happen this actually happened there were Jews that made Aliyah and came to Israel during Corona and then they realized Corona's over it's time to go back and they didn't take it they didn't take they didn't commit completely to living in the land of Israel they were using this as as a place a temporary place of Refuge we're going to come here and they didn't realize what what's drawing them here should not be that they're running away from something whether that be um anti-Semitism or econom financial Financial what whatever whatever the issue is don't it's don't come here because you're running away from something come here because you understand the greatness of the land of Israel and you will stay if you're coming just temporarily to run away from something again I'm all four saving Jews and they should come here for whatever reason they come here and again we have an idea of hope they'll come here and they'll real like many of the Jews did that this is the the best place in the world for Jews to be but that having been said if you come here with the right mindset and you come here because you understand that there's there's this is just the most amazing place in the world this is the place where Jews can feel free the only place in the world that that a Jew can feel at home then it's not just a matter of me running away from a temporarily running away from something some some enemy or some some um something that's that you know that that's this is something that we are just which by the way I mean that's just we can agree to disagree and we should probably wind this down now but if you are just running away from something still a good idea still meaning when went into that sea he didn't know what awaited him there it's it's it's natural to come here with certain question marks that you don't know the answer to and that's part of the beauty of it that's part of what makes it such a rich and fulfilling and surprisingly enriching experience is that there are question marks that you don't know the answer to and they say that the first nation that the N that the Jewish people conquered when they entered the land of Israel which actually means accounting it's the pros and the cons the the the spreadsheets of should I come shouldn't I the whole that's the first thing you have to conquer you just come you just come it doesn't matter what the reasons are jump into the sea and with that I'm not going to agree to disagree because I agree with you you agree with me thank you so much Josh wander God to bless you than you