What is Chametz? Inyonei Pesach #2 - Rav Hershel Schachter

So what is the definition of theor has says that there's a chemical reaction that occurs let's say if you grind up if you grind up peanuts and you mix it with water. So there's going to make powder out of peanuts. So there'll be a chemical reaction that will occur. If you grind up wheat and you make it into flour and you mix it with water, that'll be a chemical reaction. So sometimes a chemical reaction is labeled and sometimes it's labeled as the experimented and they came to the realization that only by the dog is and the subcategories of and the subcategories of of uh if you if you make it into flour and you mix it with water that chemical reaction will be called that will be but if you mix kitus if you mix kitus with water that may look a little bit like but it isn't that's called the two different chemical reactions and the said matzo mat is called has to be called Morris says it's only called and let's say when you eat bread you have to recite that's it says that if you have to recite so what constitutes so theor says matzah is called And it says in the matzah sounds like the same thing that if you bake it soon enough it'll be matzah. If you wait longer, it will become and that's called it's only called if it's if it's not it's not called and the Mishna is basically two and the subcategories of and the subcategories of so only these five are and therefore they will be considered. How many depend on says then there's a prohibition of it any grain that was planted after today we don't have a so we're not being so anything that was planted after is the First, that's the down which you would normally bring the says that says actually bringing whatever you have that was planted after last. So you have to wait till next year. When they bring them in the color of the caramel means one or the other. is when you bring them in when there's no then it's what does mean so day always consists of all in the Jewish calendar the day begins with that's called every day begins with and then the day is he of last night in the dinner is not but leaving out the dinner means the daytime part of the day means you have to you don't say that when it comes when it comes the night of the first day of you're already allowed to eat No means you have to wait till the daytime the day of when you say means so that's a question different that's a discussion in the so says means the whole the whole day of is also to eat you have to wait till when they bring them in in the morning. So everybody knows that they brought them. You don't say that in the morning at the crack of dawn it's now you say till the end till the end of that's what the Gmorra says that when Zakai was the chief rabbi of the Sanhedrin theor had a tradition that he lived to the age of 120 and the first 40 years he worked for a living and he he made enough money to retire at the age of 40. pretty good. He retired at the age of 40 and then he sat he learned for 40 years till the age of 80. When he was 80, he was the biggest around. So he made him the chief rabbi made him the head of the Sanhedrin. So while he was during his uh presidency, while he was the head of the Sanhedrin, nine takonas were made of the mishnas. A lot of them have to do with the fact that the mikdash was destroyed at that time. It has to do with the mikdash. So theor says the nine ton are not all tak and the ninth one that you're not allowed to eat all day. First that's so why is it called the heized that he public he made it known that you have to wait till the end of this and in order to eat. So again says you're not allowed to eat caramel. These are three stages. Is the final stage. Caramel is the kernels of grain. Ki means if you toast it, if you roast it, the kernels are grain and you're eating you're popping in your mouth like um like popcorn. And means if you ground up the the grain and you make flour and you baked it and you made bread that's called. So we see so for the fact that the says that's a dead giveaway that you're only talking the doesn't apply to all fruits and vegetables. You don't have to wait till the first day to eat fruit that were planted after pes only the you have to wait whatever can possibly turn into what else depends on it says if you eat from we usually say it's on bread and on cake we say we don't say bread but once in a while you Say on cake also. Say a person has a ton of cake. Then you say you have to wash until it's you have to say and you have to say has a dinner of bread. Cake is a subcategory of it's called the same thing called subcategory that sometimes it's and you don't have to wash until it's a diamond. They say and sometimes it's and you have to say and you have to wash until the time. If you sudan if you eat a lot of it, if you eat of cake, if you eat a lot of cake, a lot of cookies, if you eat oatmeal cereal, you can eat a ton of oatmeal if that doesn't turn into bread. That's not has to be a a loaf. Oatmeal cereal is not a loaf. If you eat I don't know if you eat Cheerios or Wheaties. I don't think that's a loaf. So tiny I don't think Cheerios is considered probably even if you eat 10 boxes of Cheerios or 10 boxes of you probably just say but if you eat cake I remember the students asked her Baron Salvich Bar used to teach here in the yeshiva before he moved to Chicago so uh so they asked him whether whether you say hamotzi on tomtoms so he used to give the hashg stripes so he said stripes doesn't make tomtoms He never looked into it. Tom Thomas was manufactured by I think Mvitz. So he said when strikes we'll start manufacturing. I'll have to figure out what to do. Okay, that's a question. Is TomToms is so tiny? Is it as tiny? It's not as tiny as Cheerios. It's not as tiny as wedies. Ba says that Cheerios and Wheaties if you eat 10 boxes of it, it's not going to become like oatmeal cereal. It's a liquidity. That's not a loaf. That's a sh that TomToms is enough of a loaf that you should say if you eat a couple of boxes of TomToms. So these are the depend on. What else? There's a din the Omar is supposed to be they're supposed to be the first thing that you harvest. The harvesting season is around time. So uh so the dinners that are supposed to be not supposed to harvest any other. So the Mishna in it says over here that this mission is in the margin they tell you. So these are the depend on whatever's whatever is so it's called depends on and is called and the to eat before caramel Also again means that it only applies to the dog and you're not allowed to be due on any of the even though the is barley. So one could have argued one could have argued argument is not going to be accepted. One could have argued that it should only be also to harvest barley before you do the was have to do with and the other ones. You can't bring the from from the other. Mishna says not so had a tradition that it's not so yeah then what depend on so you have as opposed to you have as opposed to okay is only okay that depend so the says the is the disagreement with a here's opinion is that even within are also born with their so there's a famous Ramban people are learning yes they all know the Ramban Ramban says theor is full of every pair there's only one per that doesn't record any that's the printed in there are but they're not mentioned in the mission That's the one that's the one per doesn't mention any that's the per that we recite in the morning. Okay. So the Mishna is full of makas the every page there's a mas there's always makas. So the um the Ramban is famous for his comment in more than one place that it doesn't make sense to have a mus what's mus what the fact is why don't they experiment and they'll find out. So one of the places where this ram is is in the first in the third perus there has a an animal that has a hole in the lung or has some a broken leg in the right place and makes it into a will it is it able to survive for 12 months or will it certainly die within 12 months when the Torah prohibits us from eating a tra is because it's a sickly animal or no because it's half dead it's going to die within within 12 months and let's say an animal drops dead a cow drops dead and after that dies then you sh too late it's already in a you can't sh it after it's dead you have to shift it while it's alive if it dies in the middle of the Mishna talks about that you have a misen and then you don't want it to to die it'll be an avail It won't sell as a cautious. So you quickly get a knife and you how do you know? Maybe it dropped dead in the middle of the not a dead animal. So the Mishna tells you how can you tell if it's still kicking and jumping around after you finish doing the means that it survived the whole it died after the and if it's not moving if it's not kicking it's not jumping around after you finish the means that it it died either before he did the in the middle of the so it's going to be so on the first rides to he calls the tano. How can these great super geniuses on on an issue? Why didn't they experiment? They should have taken a hundred animals that were tracers, lock them up, give them food and see if they'll survive a year or not. And he says that asks that question. How can you have a whether the only those mentioned in the Mishna wheat and barley and the subcategories are wheat and the subcategories are barley. How can the Mishna say that they're only five categor five grains disagrees? Why they arguing if it's or not? Why don't they experiment and see if it's what is the chemical reaction? So answers they did experiment. They did experiment over here. And and when they took and when they took uh or dhan or we usually assume is rice, all of the Puerto Ricans in the neighborhood see speak Spanish. So they call rice. They call arose. Arabic also. Everybody everybody knows that. Tyus is not sure. Tyus didn't speak Arabic and they didn't speak they didn't live in Washington Heights and they didn't speak to the Puerto Ricans. So Ty is not sure whether or is rice and dan is millet or dan is rice or nis is millet. So because tyus lost the tradition they not sure which one is. So there are rabbic and many hold like this they have the attitude in order to know what the word means you have to have a tradition and you can't restore a tradition if it was lost you can't restore it from the Puerto Ricans or from dictionaries you have to have a mas since the masur was lost so rice is a sophic what the isra says that on say and you don't so we're not sure whether or is rice or den is rice since we're not Even though we are sure but since we have lost the tradition so you don't say mus it's a difficult it's a difficult position to have that you can't restore a masura that was lost based on archaeology based on dictionaries based on the neighbors Puerto Rican neighbors based on the Arabs that's a questionable theory so that's the rani says like that shami says the And there he was. They experimented and it came out to be something similar to something in between and and that was a where do you draw the lines? What's called and what's called? So that's what the Ramban says. He says, "How could they be where they take a hundred animals that were lock them up and feed them and see if they'll survive a year?" So he says, "They probably did." He suggest they probably did and they probably all died. So one Tana says, "There you have it. You see that a tra is going to die." The other t said it wasn't a controlled experiment. If you have 10,000 animals that were tra maybe one or two would survive the most of them probably will not survive a year but maybe if you have 10,000 some of them would survive. So maybe trade for is so that's the famous Ramban has in other places also it never makes sense to have a on a you can experiment on used to speak about that he said that the Greeks didn't believe in experimentation they said manual labor is only for slaves we're free men so we're not supposed to use our hands we philosophize so we discuss philosophically how come fire goes up And how come water puts out the fire? How come water goes down and fire goes everything went with philosophy that has and it's all wrong. All the Greek science is wrong because they didn't believe in experimentation. And the Tano believed in experimentation. talks about Brah talks about he says all the other kings sit and they're all clean with their royal clothing and they sit on their on their thrones and not in his hand to see whether a color is a marati marat he holds a dead baby to determine whether hazits or the Jews believe in experimentation that's why we get ahead and the Greek philosophers thought that saris don't always work that everything went with with you can't Ask Kakasha and traus if an animal breaks its leg in a certain location the whole animal is a tra if it breaks his leg higher it should be a kab closer to the body that should be a tra and it's not the says you break the leg and by the tumas are gidden when you have a crisscross of all the all the gidden then the whole animal is a tra if it breaks the leg higher or lower from that point on you're not allowed to eat but the rest of the beh is not a traa so you can't Ask you can't make kohakimas in biology. Kohimas don't work and the swars don't work in chemistry either. If you have two chemicals they're nice peaceful chemicals they don't make any trouble when you mix them together makes an explosion. So accasha if this a peaceful chemical that's a peaceful chemical why all of a sudden they make terret says that chemistry has its own rules and regulations. Logic doesn't necessarily win the day in chemistry doesn't necessarily win the day in either sometimes there's room for logic and sometimes not room for logic doesn't always the logic doesn't every discipline has its own system of logic there's a system of tomudic logic you have to know a lot of gimmor in order to say they say the name that he told his children they shouldn't dare to say in gora until they went through all of shas with rashi So they'll they'll be a little bit familiar with logic can't say for us the byim only being so that's so there's a over here after there's a that is not He quotes different opinion. How do you read the whenish says that you bring from it means only what about the subcategories? Does it go on all included? But he's saying only that lived a while ago. He didn't have the chance. We have theis Raj. So is that all the means with its with all of those subcate all those that are subcategories of with the subcategory it doesn't only mean but the had two opinions about that whether by whether all are included in the two words or Okay. So, what's the definition of is a a chemical reaction that occurs sometimes when you not all grains only. Yeah. What about kitas? Kneas are not. So, how come how come have a meaning not to eat? As far as I make fun of it. A lot of Ashkanaz make fun of it also. Yeah. Where is the mocker of the kit? So that's that's a gorom base him. So the gammor says that the re gala was a rich man. The rosha sanhedrin and aritel and the galousa and bo were both descendants from melik. And Deb Gagusa was a wealthy man. So he had a whole um staff preparing meals for himself and for his uh for the politicians who worked with him. So the Gmorra says it's not a good idea to allow in the kitchen of the Rahuten then they're not the most observant Jewish people in the kitchen they have to be Jewish otherwise they beakum but they're not the most modactic you shouldn't use what is different so the last line on theus says when the pish is a dictionary on Aramaic says it's something very similar when you grind it up the flour from the kit is very similar to the flour from grain and you mix it with water the reaction is very similar to the reaction but it's not identical so it's not it's something like so it's not a good idea to allow that in the where you don't have such meditas. So that's the source of the minute not to have kidney. So again if you have says we don't like later in says that you have to say in that on the plate you have to have soar gives uh different examples of so one of them is that you have rice as one of the two we don't we don't do that we don't have rice We don't eat rice on peso because it's kitas. So the uh so the balamar says you see that no such thing as you can use rice. says we don't pass that rice is so that's why there's no problem but that's based on that's what recommended that people in charge of the kitchen are not such they're not such great so it's a good idea not to allow them to use kidneys yeah so so again so what's the definition of it's some kind of a chemical reaction that occurs tradition. What's where do you draw the line between? So if you mix the water with the flour from that'll turn into turns into right away. So how do you have matzah? Mix the flour with water. How do you have matzah? It has to sit for a while. How how long does it have to sit? So So there's a Mishna there. There's a Mishna somewhere over here that talks aboutish is a person who can't speak. So you mix flour with water and it's not talking to us. is not telling us I am stupid. Why doesn't it tell us if it would be talking to us that then the Mishna tells you how does it talk to us? If your mother mixes flour with water and she leaves it there so it sits and it's going to rise then it's going to get cracks on top. So the Mishna has a mic is between Rab and Rabuda. Where is this Mishna? somewhere over here. Here it is. The is a word in is not the same as that's a word in Mishn. So means yeastish means yeast. years ago when people will mix um if you mix flour with water it takes a long time till it rises you have to have these microorganisms in the air they're invisible so they're kosher anything that's invisible can't be tra so you have these invisible microorganisms um will will eat up part of the dough and and cause it to rise okay so every time you're going to mix flour with water. You're going to have to wait hours till it's going to rise. And what they did was they mixed flour with water and it took a few hours till it would rise sufficiently. Then they would bake everything except for a little bit. They would leave some of it over. So next week, every week the Balabusta bakes for Shabas or every couple of days. It depends how many children she has. So she has to make bread all the time. So if you leak if you leave a piece of raw dough over the microorganisms will eat up so much there won't be any dough left. It'll just be all microorganisms. The whole thing will be it'll taste awful. The Gomorrah says in in the first parag that the raw is so that's a question how much is it? Well, it's clearly not because the microorganisms keep on multiplying multiplying keep on eating up the dough till there's no more dough left. But since it start off as dough and it's royalis even though it's not royal now usually if you have let's say I have non-coosher meat and I leave it out of the refrigerator for for a month. So it'll spoil it'll smell it'll smell up the whole refrigerator smell up the whole house. So it's you'll get a bellyachche you get sick if you eat it. So if you have non kosher food that's not royal it's stupid to eat it tastes awful you get sick but the like the rush that it's also goes if you sit and you eat it so you demonstrate that as far as you're concerned it is strictly speaking does the he's a crackpot he's eating the food that He's going to get sick. He's stupid. So strictly because it says what do you do if you have give it to a can't give it to a G convert. A convert has the same mitzvah that we have. So the person says means he's a nonjew who accepted upon himself to observe the so we allow him to live in Israel. If he's not a notow, you're not allowed to allow you're not allowed to let who worship live. You're only allowed to let them live if they accept upon themselves upon themselves. Even if they're not observe, but they don't have a unless they're in the presence of three of three Jewish people. So if they accept upon if they commit themselves to observe the he's allowed to live in. So the says if you have you're not allowed to eat it. give it to so that's talking it's not we're going to eat it you're going to get sick it that's not going to taste good then it doesn't disappears we pass like the rush the rush and the second we pass like the rush that actually if you sit and you eat the tray of food that's so you demonstrate that as far as you're concerned it is but so that's the question why is says has a saying you're not allowed to eat on pes but is not so so why is it also so so the theor The first parac since it's royal is it's an ingredient let's say this raw dough that I saved from a month ago and now is all eaten up the microorganisms keep on multiplying multiplying multiplying eating up all the dough no more dough left the dough is like a chunk of microorganism there's no more dough left so it should have been mutil But since you use it as an ingredient, if I'm going to next time the woman is going to want to bake breadal, so she'll put in that raw dough and it won't take hours. It'll it'll be much quicker that it it'll uh the dough will rise and once I mix it in, then it'll become roy. So you have let's say Krisco there used to be ta Krisco. If you have a tub of Krisco is not royal. No one would eat that. But Krisco is an ingredient a non-cos ingredient that you put into bread. It put into things that you bake and it blends in with everything else. So So that's user. Whenever something is not tra, it started off as being tra and then it became but it serves as an ingredient and as an ingredient it's going to become when you mix it in with the rest of the stuff. That's the that that's the same because it's a great is not a local says it applies on has the truth about that was was the one who pased all all the shas he died in the middle of the second world war he had all the modern he had the beginning of modern shas and and every week new modern shas come up and new people going to have to pass in those shas you have to know food chemistry you have to know and you have to figure out putting them both together so the here is not the same as means like this when you have the dough you mix the flour with the water and it's a dough it keeps on rising So at a certain point is a process. It takes a while. It takes a while till it becomes. So at a certain stage we say the beginning of the process started already. Then at another further stage we say it reached the full point. Now it's really so we call the beginning of the process is called seor a word that the invented it's not I don't think it's in seor so you have you have uh seor is the beginning of the process in siduk when it has cracks on top that's the gar of the process so there's a double mus between rabuda and raer and the mishn says says but doesn't know who the doesn't say who they are and the bice they they tell you who the it's had many disputes so have a when is the beginning of the process when it begins we call it when is it the beginning and when is it when it's we call it so that's one is more than there's Another that's not explicit in the Mishna but the in earlier talks about it talks about it when you bring a carbon. So you have to bring four minimum of of kalas three minimum of the kalas have to be matzah and one min you have to have three minimum 10 of each. So you have 30 and then you have 10 minimums. So the he can't eat on PES he can't he can't bring a carbon on that's why we because 10 of the 10 of the that you bring have to be so has a a discussion there in what if the the 10us that are only sear it's not siduk The Too R has one and has another when is it called when you have this D when the process took place already but it doesn't have the so if you eat it on P but it's an so there's a it's learned that from That's an that was a real and then if you all that is a real it's a only or it's a maybe it's only if you eat it on even if you eat the that's called the process began but it didn't it didn't complete yet it didn't reach the point of suk yet. So that's a whether that's on the assumption that is is it only on but there's no you can leave it around the house and according to the same but it's an unrelated topic what's so we a penalty because the person violated by because nobody violated by so there's no no one to penalize the mission said so points out some very often that Mishna has a half the time it says shar half time it says what's the difference means that's what it says in the means based on what it says in course it says XYZ therefore whatever ABC So whe's opinion is we don't pass like we pass because so we penalize the Jew who violated but according to opinion the whole institution wouldn't help all the in the world becomes tra when it comes Pesak And it doesn't become after it's not a penalty. So we don't like him. So that's the how far do you go with this den of seor. So there's where the seor is that you're not allowed to eat it for sure. There's no chorus. That's for sure. There's no chorus. But even even if you all to eat there's no even if it's to eat it there's no you have to burn it before he said that's only then and then says and even if you hold like that is that's by real that's by but if you only have even it's there's no so it sounds like it's not that it's full not allowed to eat it so the has the sh about When you bring a and you bring four minim of three of the minim you have 10 of each. So 30 and the Mishna discusses can you use for this if you if you're in a coach you have to eat it then so Mishna says sometimes yes sometimes noises of the so there's a soar discusses what about the if they're not really 100% it's only process he only made it so has a discussion how far do you go with this of is it mayor and assuming that it is maybe it's only for not for and does it apply to to the have to be and Is there so it's everything is questionable over here. So how long? So, so if you have that's speaking to us, a mixed flour with water and it's rising, rising, rising, you have cracks on top. So, it's talking to us, it's screaming out loud, I am has the cracks on top. Then it's siduk that it's or you have the beginning of the process also. You can you can look at it. You can tell I have a a stupid issue. That's a That's how the Mishna have and it's not talking to us. It doesn't have any of the mentioned in the doesn't talk to us. So how do you know how do you know if it's or not? So the Mar says if you mix two different batches of flour with water at the same time and one of them rises and it's cracked on top and I see that it's and the other one is not talking to us then you assume that's what the Mishna says in the if there's another batch that I made at the same time and the other one is obviously then then this one is also going to be but said what if an what if there's no other batch. So you have to check on your watch how many minutes is it sitting there. So how many how long does it have to sit that it should turn into hum. So theor says she mill means that less than a she it can't become if you mix flour with water. When you bake matzah mix flour with water and you bake it quickly. How long is a mill? So the Mishna B always says that a mill is 18 minutes. That's a problem. There used to be Professor Leo Levy. He used to live in a neighborhood. After Professor Lev uh retired, Professor Leand and after he retired, he he was an orphan. His parents were killed by the Nazis and he went to Colombia. He was raised by Kamadki. He wasn't related to him. He was raised by they used to. So he he found a mah after he passed after he retired. So he gave over the whole to Leo Levi. Leo Levi was a real used to live in the neighborhood. So Leo Levi wrote a whole book about. So he explains why he thinks that the Mishna Bur is a he's quoting those at 18 minutes at a different time system doesn't correspond to a mill is really 22 and a half minutes based on the Gmorra. So the Gmorrah says if you mix flour with water and it's sitting less than 22 and a half minutes at le for sure it's not there's nothing to discuss until after 22 and a half minutes. What if you have flat with what you keep on kneading it, you keep on mixing it. So Gmorra says that that's not a sh if you have his saskus the whole time then it won't become only if there's if if it sits more than a sheer mill more than 22 and a half minutes without any esoscus at all. So then then there's what to be concerned about. Maybe the process will begin but less than it won't happen. But if you happen where's the with the isas I forgot where it is somewhere over here del where where's the somewhere over here. So that's a definition of oft talks about del is a leak in the ceiling. They weren't so careful about the hygiene in the days of the tan. You have a leak in the ceiling and you have flour with water and the leak keeps on every two seconds another drop goes in. I would not want to eat the whole thing. A leak in the ceiling. But is not worried about that. is talking about is it does it become Mar says even if it's dripping all day long that's isask the fact that the the drip keeps on falling into the puddle that's is ask or if you or if you keep on handling it so you do even all doesn't become okay what's the story with matzah so matzah has to be something that's poly that's the lam and olive if it's not from the is then it's not a problem. Yeah. What kind of a liquid do you have to mix in? So theor says if you have that's the top line if you have that's all anything other than water. So that's called mayism at all. I can have wine and pour the wine into the flour and let it sit there for hours. It's not not mitim at all. So that's a question the long disagrees with Rashi. So they say Rash's opinion is that map if you only mix flour with mapis even if you let it sit forever it it'll only be but it won't become means the process will begin that's what the mission calls the process will begin but it's it it's it'll never get to the conclusion. So if you let it sit if you let it sit long enough a little bit come how long is long enough we said less than 22 and a half minutes nothing to worry about. So the says if it's made then process will start earlier it's but it'll never get to the end. They never become dog and gummer become snitch. So accord according to rashi if you have egg matsus if you have egg matzis has apple juice in it and you have eggs in it you have everything but water so it's you shouldn't need egg so that's why on stripes is egg mat it says on the box in Hebrew that says that if you mix flower with it become in less than 22 and a half minutes so you shouldn't you shouldn't look for trouble why tell him what does it help you put it in the Hebrew letters most of the people can't read and small letters most of the people can't even see that sign so he thought that uh he introduced that when they make the egg matzah to have a machine that keeps on banging the dough. So it has a sascus the whole time till it goes into the oven. So he thought that strictly speaking you don't even have the rashi because there was since there was a sascus the whole time till your mom has put it into the oven. So it isn't it isn't even the does doesn't really apply but because traditionally we always assume that eggis was and and it's so he put it in Hebrew that's only mut but it should really be mut even for the healthy people as well anyway that's the rashi disagrees with rashama was a grandson of rashi the rash bama was the older brother of the raat The Rajbam was much older than the Raatam. He used to learn with Rashi. So he rarely disagrees with Rashi. He learned with him. But the Raen was a young child when Rashi died. So he felt free to disagree with his grandfather all every page. He always disagrees. So Raatam disagrees with Rashi and he says if you have alone you can let it sit all day long. It's not going to become it's not going to become it's nuka. No problem. If you have made Paris with water, so the water will be and Paris with the water. So we really hold like alone is not. So that's the story with the egg matas. That's a sh is it it's a humra not to eat aside from what introduced on the egg boxes to have a machine that keeps on banging the dough as it's going on the conveyor belt until it goes into the oven keeps on banging the dough has this the whole time but even if you forget about that it's only to be so that's a question whether this applies you're not allowed to in the afternoon after in the days of they didn't have watches. They didn't have clocks hanging on the door. So they had sund dials. The sun dials are not so precise. they can't know for sure when it's so they made starting from the beginning of we treat it as if it's ready after so normally we have an institution of daylight saving time so is 1:00 but normally would have been approximately 12:00 so approximately 11 o'clock an hour before we treat 11 o'clock or today because the day let's say around 12 or So we we treat it as if 12:00 is is even though it really isn't. And then we say it's from 1 hour before then and they made another hour before an hour before fine. So that's the question that's if it's real. What if it's only what if it's only make what if it's only? So you're worrying about maybe the was only introduced on if you eat real that's a question whether this not Paris applies an error also. So there's a the Ramo wrote a commentary on the tour printed on the bottom of the page dark name is Mosha is he has descendants who live in Switzerland by the name is they're still alive. So the um so the Ramo wrote a commentary on the tour. He didn't realize that Rabo who ra lived in Krakco in Poland in the 1500s. He didn't realize that car lived in her own spot at the same time already very elaborate quotes the sources for everything in the and the gim and the tas and the and the he quotes everything. So when Ra when when the Ram got a copy of Ra K's commentary the B on the tour so what do you have to duplicate everything so he abridged his dark emoted it to be what we have now so you don't have any duplication so he left out a lot so every so often he left out something that he shouldn't have left out he's cutting he was cutting out because most of it was a duplication but a little bit was not So he cut this out. So if you look in the original which is available you look in the original he writes explicitly that the not to eat matzah only applies on pes and there are pes even after he can eat egg there's no on the egg mat has it was so by the don't have the meaning not to eat kus we have the meaning based on the or that is enough don't have that many but don't eat he says he thinks they can eat all the they want only made when is only if worst it can be there isn't even a love it's only an isa of the rakin is like rabuda on that point that there's an is to eat on our face but there's no curries. So writes the is a lot of times people might mistake buy chocolates and they find out that it has only for only so he can eat all the chocolates he wants not so healthy he gain a lot of weight but he says he thinks that the kidneys are So the matzah has to be and it's called and you have to eat it matzas. You have to eat the matzah matzas. So there's a gimmor here olive has a bryer. They baked the matzah and then somehow they they liquefied the matzah and how they did it. After baking the matzah they chopped it up and they liquefied the whole thing and he drinks it. He drinks the matzah. So it says you're not. Why not? What's wrong? So, the last rash on the page, what does that mean? So, the two ways in the two ways to read it says if you do not that's how some interpret it's not it's he drinks it, he swallows it. He doesn't chew it. There's no there's no ben there's no gush there's no double gush here the interprets differently says based on earlier if you eat non-coosher food so look at so let's say I have ta hot dogs non-coosher hot dogs in the freezer it's in the freezer so it's hard like a rock so I take that tray for hot dog and I eat it I chew doesn't taste good. Like eating a chunk of ice. So he eats it. Let's say he has the tray for hot dog and he has ham and eggs and he just fried it for breakfast and he eats it and he's burning his tongue when he's eating it. He's going to burn his throat. He's eating it. So that's if you eat it when it's hot like a rock, that's not normal. If you eat it when it's burning out, you're going to burn your tongue, burn your burn your throat. So said that it's only discusses what about if there's a and you eat and you eat something that there's a you will be this is it only a eating non-coosh food. What if you eat something as a mitzvah to eat matzah? He thinks that that's why that's not normal. They eat the matzah in a liquefied form. So that so the says you're not and it's a question what's the reason does mean because is not here you need has to be or because it's not normal. So you have to eat you have to eat the it has to be what does mean? So has five different levels of interpretation and we accept all the five levels of interpretation. We accept all five. There's no contradiction. But there's a difficult P in the P says when we will come to Israel wasn't to come when we will come to Israel we will find a lot of non-Jews who worship all kinds of and it says what what does the word mean that has three levels of interpretation And we pass on all three shouldn't give there shouldn't be. We shouldn't praise. What a wonderful professor he is. What a marvelous painter he is. What a marvelous composer he is. What a marvelous musician he is. You're not supposed to praise of because of those are your heroes. Then you got to hang up their pictures in their dorm room and you're going to want to grow up to be like them and they're all not to give. And the third level of interpretation you're not allowed to rent an apartment init to a non-Jew. You're not allowed to sell a farm to an sell a farm or sell an apartment house to a non-Jew. All three are quoted in we assume the has an expression can have one can have 70 levels of interpretation on the P and all 70 were the author's intentional dictated word for word and letter for letter. So the tanim felt that he had in mind all the all the 70 interpretations. So on the word on the word has different interpretations. So is in the end of the in so has here four lines from the bottom. You should have matzah on the table when you recite the rhyme and when you recite hal I think that's the rashi writes rashi over here doesn't say but before where is this before says this as well on my base. Hello. You have to have matzah on the table. When you have CP matzah should be exposed and you should have them you should after you bench you shouldn't put away all the matzah you should continue to leave the mat on the table when you finish the one level of interpretation is another level of interpretation it's it's a The kish was dictated to mash word for word letter for letter. So we have a lot of times of why word was spelled mole and why word was spelled the word is pronounced but it's written without it's legitimate to write with without why is it written without what does it mean? So the invi I think it's in it says anybody know I think it's in tells the wealthy people you throw out so much food at the end of the day you don't eat all the food that you have. You're going to throw out half of they eat a steak and they leave over half of it. They eat big bread and they they throw out half of it. So break off part of your bread and give it to the poor man before you start eating. Break off. That's called a poor man has what the rich man gives him as a instead of throwing it in the garbage before he starts his meal. He gives a chunk. So we should we should be with a normally so say normally on that a double the didn't fall down it says didn't fall down on says didn't fall down on says that first didn't fall down on so there was a double portion fell down an air of shabas and an air of yas So you should make you should say on over twoas. So you have two schlamas. So so most have the practice you have to have two and a half matzas. You have to have for the and you have to have a for the mitzvah of matzah. You have to have two and a half mats. You have to have a kaz when the top and the bottom matzas together for the sudas and you have to have a kaz from the broken matzah in the middle for the mits of matzah. That's what it says in you have to have two and a half. You have to you have to have two. One is from the two for the and one kaz from the thinks that roar shin don't agree with that. He thinks that's very rare is always everything. So the usually the is so instead of quoting piling up all he he thinks that that it's one and the same mitzvah they're not two different mitzvah the mitzvah of matzah on pes night is identical that is the mitzvah of a normal you need and on pes he should have one and a Instead of having two and another broken one instead of having two and a half you start off with two and you break one of them that's going like that like that was the practice of those who have traditions from so they instead of having instead of starting off with three matzas and then when you do yakat in the beginning you break the middle matzah and you're left with two and a half that's what rashi says so They start off with two matzah to begin with. They break one of them. So you have one and a half. So they all that is it's the same mitzvah this but the mitzvah mat is the same mitz. They're not two different mitz. You don't need two thinks that that's enough with one. Okay. So that's has another again on even though we pronounce aim on but it's spelled without a v. So we have the right to dash in it. That's uh theor says once in a while you have a cre a creive. It's written one way but your tradition has it that you pronounce it differently. So whenever you have a conflict between a like over here is written on I but the cre is on. So how do you ask you based on only the black? So that's usually means we follow the way you pronounce the word text that's so that's a there's a whole has a whole bunch of cases that we're dealing with the issue of you Say the text says the cloud is like this preferable is you should formulate in such way to incorporate both decree and that's what they did here both. If you can formulate in such way that you incorporate both and if you can't formulate there's no contradiction that both are true and if you can't then it's awesome. So here we ask them both means. So it means and then has also the top line the rich people waste a lot of money. So you have a a wealthy family. So the woman is kneading the dough and she has the oven on. She put the oven on 15 minutes before. She's wasting a lot of gas. She's wasting a lot of money or electricity, whatever kind of an oven it is. She's wasting. It doesn't matter. But the poor people can't afford to waste money. So they have the husband has to help the wife. So the husband prepares the fire in the oven. At the same time, the wife the wife tells the husband how many minutes she's going to need to knead the dough. And the husband should have the fire ready then. So as soon as she finishes kneading the dough, they're going to put it in the oven. They'll leave it there till it's fully baked and then they'll turn off the oven. So they're going to save a lot of money. The wealthy people waste money. So, so it's called we read it like that, but we it's missing above and we as if it were read as if it were read the husband turns on the fire in the oven and the wife does the baking. What does that mean? That the should be like the poor people would have done. What does that mean? Zashi learns you shouldn't dillydally. If you're going to knead the dough and let it sit there, then you're going to make the fire. It may turn into you're not doing any sascus. So you have to do it quickly. Just like the poor people do it quickly, not to waste energy, not to waste electricity, not to waste gas, to have a higher gas bill. So Pes when we make the matas, he should do it quickly. You should becomes shouldn't becomes. It says inh says in that uh after you knead the dough for the matis you should put it in the oven immediately so it shouldn't become what does it mean immediately. What does it mean immediately? So the says within 18 minutes. 18 minutes. That's called immediately. Why does he say like that? Because the Rajb learned by the Ramban Ramban lived in Spain in Gerona. When you go touring in Spain, so it's it's a ghost town. Girona is a ghost town and nobody lives there. But the houses are still there from the days of the Rambar. So the first house at the end of the block said in Spanish. I couldn't read Spanish, but the tour guide told us what it said. I asked him, "Where's the rabbi's home?" He said, "What do you mean where's the rabbi?" I said, "The Rajbos said the rabbi, the Ramban lived at the end of the block with He didn't know." So he looked at the building, he said, "Oh, it says in Spanish that this is where the Ramban lives. That's the rabbi's home." So the Rajba says when we learned by the Ramban, he was a teenager. He says we needed the dough in the Ramban's home. Then we walked outside, the sun was shining, and it was springtime. It was warm outside. We walked, they didn't run down the block. We walked down the block and they rented by the non-Jewish baker. They rented We couldn't find the bakery, though. Rabbi Chavevel, who put out a lot of work, put a lot of work on the Rambans. So, he writes when he went to Garona, he found the bakery at the end of the block and he found the Rambans home at the beginning of the block. When we went, uh, we couldn't find the bakery, but the Rambans home, there's a sign. This is where the rabbi lived. So the rajbar writes we walk down the block and the sun almost shining and there was no problem. So that's what the says even though it says in you should bake it immediately it does mean immediately you have to run you have 18 minutes but his according to professor le you have 22 and a half minutes a shear said less than a she's nothing to worry about and even more than a she not going to become right away that's one shot you should do it quickly shouldn't become the rush has a that it's avo let's say to do the strictly speaking if you want to ask someone else to do the you can have but it's preferable you should do it yourself so that's the is to do what about over here baking the matzah is A mitzvah. Baking the mat is a mitzvah. It's a mitzvah. Is is there a mitzvah to pull the estrogen tree? If it's still attached to the tree can't be has to be detached. You hold an estri in one hand and a lul and it's still attached to the ground. You're not has to be detached. But that's not called a mitzvah. That's a mitzvah that enables you to fulfill a mitzvah with this aster and with this lul. But you don't say mitzvah. I never heard it. If anybody has he goes to the farm and he cuts off the himself on the tree that's not amidus. So why is over here? So apparently the baking of the matzah is is considered the baking of the matzah is a mitzvah. That's how the rash learns. You should do it quickly otherwise it's it may become because no no more his and the Russian lines. No mitzvah I'm baking. So that's what else has earlier involved here has say if you bake matz using the four mashkim that says in the gor one of the four mashkim so that's matzah and that's not acceptable. What if you made egg matzahas? So has eggs in it. It's it it's much softer than matzah. It's not not so hard. It it melts in your mouth. Egg mata melts in your mouth. So that should be mat. So the ram is a strange ram. Nobody understands Ram says only these four other may so asked why he said we don't understand we don't understand why the Ram thinks only these four mashka has a fantastic was a genius everything he sells is she genius never says anything bland everything is with genius so he He says, "What if you have a matzah and mayonnaise?" So that's called matzah. The mayonnaise is is something added to the matzah, but the matzah doesn't have mayonnaise in it. So that's that's not matzah. It may be a different thing. Themar has a different discussion in the last per eating food the animals the non-Jews everybody all all the all the animals all the human being everybody has to eat food so when we eat we eat you eat things when you eat something it's a mitzvah it's a funny mitzvah the animals eat things so the says if you're eating adv barus at the same time if you put enough peanut butter on top of the matzah. So you you got to taste the peanut butter. So, if you have a mitzvah and you're eating the mitzvah together with the something that's not a mitzvah, say if you have a little bit of mayonnaise on the mat, it doesn't that doesn't pose a problem. If you have a thick layer of mayonnaise on the mat, then it's mitzvah, then the eating the matzah doesn't count as a mitzvah. So, if you're going to have too much mayonnaise, that's a different problem. But let's say but but but if you leave out that issue would you call that matzah the aira you're eating separately the mayonnaise the matzah wasn't baked with the mayonnaise see even if you do bake the matzah with the mayonnaise is it mitsurf with the mayonnaise or not so the aaner points out let's say there's an Italian bread and I'm to and I touch the bread over here and it's one long bread. So there's a maga unless the bread is sliced and the slices are not connected. They've cut through and through. So I touch the first piece I'm the first piece. First piece may be mame the second piece because it's touching it but it's not going to go further. So So that's a question. What if you have a an Italian bread, a long bread, and you didn't use water to mix all the flour together? You use mapis. Is that considered one unit? Bread doesn't grow from the ground like that. Let's say I have a steak. I have an apple and I'm touch one side of the apple. The whole apple becomes one unit. But over here bread a loaf of bread that's that's artificially connected. So that's a whether the whether you say is in one unit if the thing that's is something other than Zion there's a whether you need Zionk to be the bread or even with also so that's relevant for tum and it's relevant for you if you beg That's who was a tenth of an is is 43.2 43.2 Bim is a serious that's so if you mix the flour with water the volume of 43 B what if you had mixed it with Paris is is is it all together or is it consider each one separately so the says it's the same whether you need to bear or not so thinks that the he doesn't haveish he thinks He thinks that the Ram's opinion is that if you lost that was a if you do if you do with it so thinks it's not he says if it's not then the Paris is not considered to the matzah that's like eating matzah with a lot of mayonnaise on top on mayonnaise. He didn't bake the matzah with the mayonnaise in it. You put on the mayonnaise later. Said that's not called matzah. Maybe it's an issue of if you have you pile on a lot of uh a lot of peanut butter, a lot of mayonnaise, but it won't be a problem. That that's what he says. The only four mashim that will pass will be because they're from the sh they're from the mashkim and water and water. So these are for the mashkim that's so that's the is with the mat. But if you're going to have made Paris because it's not the the the flour together is then it's not considered to the so it's like it's like eating a lot of mayonnaise together with the matzah that that does make the matzah mat that's fault that's a genius interpretation then the has more okay we'll have to continue next week on Sunday what else they learn out more has is spelled with an but we dion it if it were written as if it were written with a with an alf. So you say if you have to is from so is not allowed to eat. If it's not the one that that's not acceptable has to be what else do you learn more is going to have more. Okay have to finish.