What Exactly Happened on the 17th of Tammuz by Rabbi Dr. Ahron Adler

and next Monday uh I will not be here there'll be some type of uh you check the Tet tidbits what the uh schedule will be but uh I will be coming back from Poland I'm leaving tomorrow guiding a group so I will not be here next Monday and the Monday afterwards is already I will be here which is already in 3 weeks but we'll get back to the page that we didn't complete uh last week but uh today is a is a calendar day of significance um it's not shiv that's going to be next week on Tuesday but today's the 9th of tamuz and we will see that on the ninth of tamuz there's a direct relationship to the 17th of tamuz uh and that we're going to see through certain halakic sections and a poem that was authored by the famous ibben gabirol people think that schlomo IB gabirol is a street in ravia ROV gabir or Tel Aviv there's a big street there in gabirol which it is yeah um last year when I led the group to Spain so we went to Malaga which is the southeast part of Spain and that's where schlomo IB gabo functioned a good chunk of his life and there's a statue a very big statue there and it says schlomo gabol and so on and he's honored by the city of Malaga um in in the in the country of Spain so even gabirol who is classic Sardi writes a poem and his poem infiltrates ashkanazi ritual for some of the slot and kote and this is from lifted out of the ashkanazi ritual of slot for next week Tuesday Morning in SCH and it's known as the pison the pison many of us know that the pison is when the kazen does stanza by stanza and there's a refrain that goes along with it there's a fighting chance that the pizmonim people understand better than the other sections that are literally garbled up with hardly any understanding even here in ER Israel where people have a command of the language the language of the medieval po poets was not exactly Ben Yehuda spoke in Hebrew I mean obviously if you know Hebrew you're going to do a lot better in trying to decipher what the message of the poems are as opposed to somebody who comes from does not have a a command of Hebrew but nevertheless it's a Hebrew that's peppered with tanak statements quotes or fragments so you have to be an expert in tanak and you have to be an expert in midash what the PO poets did was they so beautifully crafted these poems integrating and interweaving so many ideas that you have to have the background of the midashim and to to know theim to really get the full import of what they're saying and because so many people either are not skilled in the mid or in tanak or in language for that matter so they think this you have to be y you have to just gobble up a kayat and eat it eat it up and the faster the better because people don't understand it at all so that that's what's happened to many people with regard to spent time in explaining the keyote he did that in Tish in his hometown in Boston for so many years the he would explain in the whether was that was part of theing yes there are in theing or the that we say on a fast day public fast day and this particular pison is tailor made for Shiva SAR so it's very very timely so let's just look at the first line of the poem we asking to turn to us turn to us because one of the big issues of galut is the Sensation that a who is not there he's somehow away gone hopefully not forgotten um in in where it says Al for this I cry my my my eyes are shedding tears what was the big tragedy you you are far away from me that's the tragedy the the upshot from the fact that aadh is far away horrible things happen to us because aosh is not on his watch and is not there that's the tragedy and we ask to come back to us that we should be able to come back to him and he should come back to us and then things will fall into place that's the message of many you far away from me my consoler the one who consoles me and for this I cry soab begins with have us turn back to him who is the the word a means captives when we're in galut we're in captivity now there have been sweet Exiles many of us grew up in countries where you never in a million years thought you were in Exile remember the did not like the English word diaspora or the Hebrew equivalent he said it was too refined of a word it legitimized being uh abroad and he used he said the word is Gus galut Exile because when you say the word galut you say the word Exile you mean you don't belong here that's what you're trying to say you don't belong here but if you say what you're saying is Well there's some Jews who live in AR Israel and some live abroad and it's all perfectly okay if it's perfectly okay there won't be a return the only return is comes after of a sensation of galut and when am Isel forgets that they're in galut sends reminders and the reminders are usually very very uncomfortable painful and very very tragic and we sometimes learn the Hideway and sometimes forget the messages of two three generations before and we have to get it again it's it's a very very sad sad story of our travels in Jewish history who are we given over to nsar given over to it's a play on word and nsar you see the same route should turn to turn back to look at us see what's going on we are in Exile we're in captivity who took us into captivity now who's B okay we know Babylon we know that that's who is in thees aded and who is adom well it's interpreted by kazal as Rome but who is he in the Kish as as as who and so that's biblical and what the poet is saying that we were taken into captivity twice why twice because there was a destruction of the first mdash and it was the structure of the second mdash this is an expression ofing how much how much do we have to go through this and we're like petitioning you like like a little child like a little child begging y this is the refrain the day that the enemy a vanquished us and split the city split the city means crashing through the walls of the city which means the beginning of the downfall of yush all right when did that take place what's the Cal Hebrew calendar date for the days that the walls of Yim were crashed 17th of tamuz so it's not an accident that IB gabirol is writing a poem to be said on shivas now he says something very daring that both bavel leading to the first bet mikdash destruction and Rome leading to the second destruction both armies with about a 500e difference crashed through the rules of Yim on the same calendar date yav so now we go to the source page we continue with the poem but now we go to the source page so what you have on Source number one from gahu per I'm going to read a PUK that's not on the source page that really would be a little bit of an intro to this whole subject it comes from Zar Zar is at the beginning of B second bet mikdash and he's asked a sh sometimes in the we have sh rais the sh there was a sh by the you know had ask and get the answer so occasionally have a inquiry in t so this was a very very legitimate question that was asked by people in the beginning of B cheni they're putting up the second bet mikdash and the question is do we continue fasting so do I still wail and it just doesn't mean just wail it means do we observe TI is it a fast day and so on yes or no I mean here we're going to have second bet mikdash up and running what was that Source number it's not on your page it's it's a it's before the source I happen to have made for myself a second page because of a Shear that I gave 20 years ago and I see I included it so it's it's a it's Z the answer is dynamite God says the following four fast days the fast of the month of tamuz the fourth month the fast of the month of a the fifth month the fast of the seventh monthalia the fast of the 10th month will be great days all right so the answer is no fasting well that's not how all the commentators took to this we know a beautiful answer but we're not sure the implementation of this when will these four fast days which were incorporated into the calendar after the destruction of the first B mikdash the first B mdash because this is zakarya talking at the beginning of the second and he knows about the four fast days so it's obviously the first bet mikdash and he says they're going to be y so the rambam says the implementation is the third bet mdash in the end the days come that's when these fast days are going to become y but in the meantime there's still fast days on the books and you have to fast them and what about the four fast days in the days of B Chi so the ra says that Tish above we fasted you imagine how ironic this is the bet mikdash is up and running and on on the eth of of the n9th of of the 10th of of and on the nth of of we're fasting public fast day for what for the destruction of the first bet mikdash with regard to the other fast the Rah says it was optional that's a discussion in they're still on the books but it's not not obligatory but Tish was obligatory throughout the 420 years of B Chen amazing why because the ram says that after even with the building of the second bet mikdash there was left overan which means the second mdash didn't add up to what the first was and there was a gap between what once was and what is and that Gap deserved mourning we had to still mourn for it so you have this concept but what does when zakar said let's just focus on the month of tamuz it's the month of tamuz which calendar date did he have in mind we don't know because he doesn't give us the date he just says the month and just like we don't know the month which date in a and which date in t in rather and which day in and all of the above have disputes all of them didn't give us a specific date but now if we go to Source number one what does it say in which is the last chapter last chapter of which month is this the nth of Tam that's today the um famine was very strong why was there a famine because the Babylonians lay Siege around Yim 2 and a half years earlier on which calendar date and this is in the Tanakh the 10th of Tate in the middle of the winter two two and a half years earlier they lay Siege around no food nothing's coming in people are starving and after 2 and 1/2 years all the supplies are gone done and this internal strife and that was the plan why should we have to conquer a city 90% of the people are going to be dead before we crash through the walls because of starvation weakness they'll be able to be taken over in a cinch the um the famine was very strong there was nobody no R bread to eat and the wall was crashed through here you have a PUK that tells us that the crashing of the walls of took place on the 9th of Tam now we go to the next Source in the brings aim there are four matters which R explains IIM I take issue we're not going to deal with all four we're just going to deal with the one that's [Music] relevant when said that these four fast days are going to be which calendar date did he have in mind of the fast of the fourth month he meant the ninth of tamuz the day the wall was crashed as it says and this is the quote from that we just read in the previous Source why is it called the fourth month because it's the fourth month of the of the system of count counting from Nissan Nissan T is the fourth month so you have a an opinion that when Z said what did he mean he meant the ninth of tamuz and now we're looking at Source Four the next four Source three the next Source the Mish in tells us five tragedies happened on the 17th of tamus and five tragedies happened on Tish so Tish will leave for Tish we're not going to deal with now on the 17th of t on the seven of and five things happened on okay what happened on the 17th of oneu smashes the that's back in two the daily sacrifice already became suspended which means literally bet mikdash ity stopped now you may say what it just talked about the don't think for a second that the were thrown off the the the the harab it but they couldn't bring the morning and afternoon sacrifice but thees fores they brought or for Shabbat they brought the mus or some woman brought a forget about it it means that bet mikdash ceased to to function and I can prove this from a the previous pay attention next Tuesday morning when you say there's a p that every stanza ends with such and such happened and one says one says with regard to a because there was no and one says there was no which means all of the Corban ceased to exist that's what it means so activity ceased that happened on the 17th of third the city was crashed through fourth a Roman burnt the Torah the gar is going to tell us we do not have accurate information about this so we'll just leave it as a tradition and the fifth is also without accurate historical information they put up a AUM or a cross or something maybe in the end of B cheni they put up a cross but it could mean a statue some some deity some Pagan statue was put up in the bet mikdash we don't know when we don't know who did it the gamar says gamar which means Mas it's tradition tradition it's tradition that's all so we have five things that happen on but what's going to interest us now is number two and three that the beta mikdash activity ceased and the wall was crashed through okay which beta mikdash the first or the second the mishna doesn't tell us it just says that five things happened on sh look at the next Source from the you mean to tell me that the wall was crashed through on the 17th commenting on the mishna that said these things happen on the 17th but it says in it was the ninth of the month the fourth month of Tam and that the wall was crashed through so how could the Mish tell me that it was on the 17th ra the great says not a problem we have two out we have two destructions so when y reports that the Babylonians crashed through the walls of Yim prior to the destruction of the first bet mdash that was on the nth of tamuz when the mishna tells us that there was a crashing through the walls of Yim that was the Romans leading to the second it's a very simple resolution very simple and the even supplies a the walls were crashed on different calendar dates that's all that's all now the only question is why did theim Institute the fast of shiv tamuz or better yet was there a fast of the ninth of tamuz when Zar at the beginning of CH says which calendar date did he have in mind did he have the ninth or the 17th what would be the relevance of the 17th I don't know but the 9th is the date that the Babylonians crash through so let's follow through on the next Source the to the commenting on Source number two actually in Source number two the in the underlined brought a source defining the of Zar this is the ninth of Tam the day the wall was crashed through to in Source number five says yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah leading to destruction of the first time around but the second time around the Romans the walls will crash through on the 17th and therefore we make the fast day on the 17th of tamuz why this a we left hanging there why they we'll see that later posim explain that we suffer today directly from the destruction of the second beta mikdash and only indirectly from the destruction of the first betam mdash the feeling being that Zakaria was talking about the fast of the nth of tamuz but then they built bet mdash and then the Romans came 500 years later and crashed through the B the wolves on the 17th so they made another fast on the 17th but because there's a fast on the 17 tamus and there's a fast of Tish they're feeling was let's not overburden am Isel with another fast day so they let go on the nth of tamus today is the nth of tamus nobody even knows that it's a fast day but once upon a time 2,500 years ago it was a fast day for the fact that the Babylonians crashed through the walls of yush that's how tosot really leaves it but then TOS brings a BRI a source from the Tami that has a different take on what the Babylonians did and when they did it it saysi we have a BRI in the Tami and there it says that the Babylonians crash through the walls of Yim on the 17th of tamuz just like the Romans did 500 years later but the obvious question is how can you say that y the prophet reports that on the fourth month on the ninth day of the fourth month how can you say thisi says deliberately wrote the wrong date Wow Let's see the next Source on Source number six thei inside to quotes it but let's see it inside so how can you say you say that it's on the 77 how can you say that there was a mess up in the calendar a deliberate mess up in the calendar let's just go back to the last two lines of the previous Source how to takes thisi he says there was a mess up in the calculation and thei argues with because they were all in yish we say famished they were all mixed up because of theban nobody was focused I think that's a good translation nobody was focused they messed up in the calculation the which means had the right calculation he knew it was the 17th but people wrote down it's the ninth they messed up and yo wanted to show Amel for generations to come how bad the situation was that he Incorporated the wrong date that people thought the the crashing of the walls took place and therefore the bottom line is that both the first and the second B mikdash both the Babylonians and the Romans crashed through on the 17 of T this is thei take on it as opposed to the that simply says that the first bet mikdash towards leading towards the destruction of first B mikdash Babylonians crash through on the ninth of tamuz as it says in y why why don't we fast it today because the Romans crashed through 500 years later on the 17th and didn't want to overburden us with an extra fast so they let the ninth of tamuz go by the wayside and all we have is the 17th and then of course we have afterwards but Yi doesn't believe that Yi believes that there's no significance at all to the ninth of T except for the fact that they messed up in the date what it's a it's a suggestion it's a suggestion that there can't be a contradiction between that which is written in y and the tradition that the that that what some somebody's phone is ringing that there's a tradition that the tradition of the 17th of tamuz and therefore according toi when the mishna in in Source number three said that five things happened on sh and one of them item number three was H the walls were crashed through it meant both it meant both B mikdash the first and the second now how come y says the ninth the calendar date was messed up and Y decided for J for posterity to write the wrong date to show us how bad things were just to give you a little bit of a tasting so I said I'm going to next week those came late I won't be here next week I'm going to Poland tomorrow so next Sunday we'll be in aitz for a visit with a group and I will tell them over a um a a little anecdote that I heard myself from a holocaust Survivor from aitz um her name was sah tesler passed away just two years ago at an age almost 100 she may have been 100 already from kibuts yava she was 17 what happened was um in the groups that I went with my we never took along a a Survivor because survivors they don't know everything that went on they know it went on where they were but it's a there was a tactical reason that we didn't do it but on Mo Shabbat in krackow we would borrow a Survivor from another group and we had a bigot of hearing S Tesla a mo Shabbat to my 12th graders and she said she was 17 years old very thin thin short lady she was you see that you don't have to be you know huge to be a gibor to be a real hero in Amel so she was 17 years old in aitz and she explained that there was the men's Camp the ladies camp and they didn't see each other obviously there's no communication but when they passed going to the Daily work detail occasionally they passed off fence where they saw the others the men saw the women women saw the others and they able to scream out a name you know MOA Schwartz and somebody would say he's no longer with us and then they knew he was dead and they would somehow get information just by doing that one day a man screams out to the lady side Morgan is Yum kipa tomorrow's yum kipa now they didn't have a clue of the calendar exactly what the said happened they lost complete sensitivity to time calendar date man they didn't know that nine days before was rashash man yells tomorrow's Yip sah Tesla says to herself I'm 17 years old I still have a little bit of K how many people in osit are going to fast tomorrow yum nobody they're going to have to work it's all fast so she goes out on a work detail fasting and when they come back they come back somebody yells out that we made a mistake today wasn't yam kipa tomorrow's yum kipa and she says you know I still have a little left I'll continue fasting she fast for 48 hours in aitz and when they're coming back the next day some man yells out VI we made another mistake today for sure wasn't maybe it was yesterday maybe it's tomorrow I want you to understand what means what the what the was saying and she looked up to kadh and said I don't know when yum kipa is or was but K should take my two days of fasting and consider it yum I had 12 graders I could have mopped the floor with a sponger with a sponger you know what 12th graders are Macho right 12th graders they were Mish they broke down this sesla taught us a little bit something about what M was no different thanita here in in Raod giml gets a Shila and I think it's from Golden hsh wounded lost both arms lost part of his leg and ask him a Shila if on the protesis that they're going to put on if he has to make a for a and how to take a Lulu and how to put Onan this is this is that's what went on in the show they lost total track of time and yo wanted us to understand that what was going on at the moments of theban we lost track of time so have these two views now go back to the poem now we're going to understand he mentions B and he mentions which is as which is Rome the same day the same day date that the Babylonians did did it the Romans did iTab has the in mind why does he pick the Yi if not for the fact that on he wants to have Yim in his mind he opts for the view of theam he's not taking a historic stand here he's taking a poetic stand of bar in the view of the Yi that both B and asav crashed through the walls on the same calar date now what the poem does he goes through poetically the various things that happen let's just read this quickly in the second stanza like you go like this where did he get that from from Bak from bam you'll see this coming Shabbat you'll see that billum does it and you know this is like's time so he has it in mind he has this phrase very much in mind five things happened because of the golden calf on the foot of the golden CF the was shattered very poetic the Corb was destroyed this is the siege of the city and the crashing through a statue and your law which means your Tor he ear was burnt in a fire what he took was the five things mentioned in the mishna and he poetically restructured and rewrote it Y and then he goes on to talk about Edom and bavel but we're going to get to the cliner towards the end but before we get to that let's look at the source page again on Source number nine it's on the second page here's R's commentary and he's defining the of defining of Zar the last line the underline which means the Rah seems to be taking a stand also according to thei that's what it seems but now let's look at the next Source set 10 which is the mishna and he gives us all the various fast days had a fourth fast days third was killed fine I'm skipping the next line lay Siege around and and it led to the the mat and the the famine and so on now you can see he's going to take off on the mishna five things happened on the 17th of tamuz one that were broken Shattered by two you see ra adds two words here this isn't in the mishna that caused all the problems in the mishna that we didn't know but here R fills in the blank which means the the the crashing of the Walls by the Romans was on the 17th when was the crashing of the walls leading to the first bet mdash by the Babylonians not on the 17th but obviously on the 9th and that's what if you look at the next Source 13 the 12 rather mishna it's two right two sources down two sources down the says even though the the fast day of the in [Music] says that happened on the ninth says this commentator on the r it was the walls of crashed on the knife nevertheless today now we we fast on the 17th this the destruction of the second was much more difficult for us we suffer directly from theban of the second time then leading to destruction of the second B midash the W was crashed indeed on the 17th there's only one problem in the source right before this Source 11 this is the ramban when he talks about the in Zar he quotes the in means the and he defines them which is the that Z was talking about one second if this was the 17th so how come the ram then tells us that the wall was crashed through only in the second B mikdash he makes a point to tell us the butb was wash wased on the 17th for the first B mdash and the walls were crash to on the second mdash but the rahan believes that the of the first B mdash was also the 17th so is he with thei or not the ri will the real rambam please stand up I make a living on these problems in the the rambam you know I have a professor used to say if the rambam would have been so clean and clear nobody would looked at it you only look at books that have obstacle courses and it challenges you and you have to start thinking but what happened here was something very very interesting the Raman believed that the crashing of the wall of Yim in the bay Rishon took place on the 9th exactly the way it says it theat of Zakaria but they never made a fast day for that event the fast day was made for something else for the abolition of sacrificial activity in the beta mikdash balid that's why they made a fast day they made a fast day for at the end of B hban ban for four events the laying of Siege in Tate two and a half years before on the 10th of Tate on the 17th of tamuz when bet mikdash activity ceased on Tish the destruction and on sadalia when we couldn't run a local government a Babylonian sponsored local government with a governor and when he was assassinated that's when the galut started the galut the Exile did not happen after the destruction of the second B mikdash Babylonian is willing to give us a chance and run ER Israel by proxy and it didn't work too much politics too much hatred hatred and it just didn't work and then came the galut so is for the galut for the Exile sham was for the abolition of bet mikdash activity in the second bet mikdash destruction they restored the fast of the 17th of tamuz for a different reason for the crashing of the walls during bot sheni leading to the destruction and the question is the walls were crashed both times so why according to the rambam was there a fast day for one thing in the first bet mikdash time in tamuz and in the bet mdash the second time around it was something else once it was for the B mdash activity that was abolished and once because of the crashing of the walls if the crashing of wolves was such a severe tragedy why didn't they do it the first time around and and the ran believes that when zakar said he wasn't commenting on when the Babylonians crashed through the wall he wasn't contradicting a pasuk in y that says the nth he's saying that the fast was on the 17th for something else and the something else was the abolition of bet mdash activity why so here we have to understand the role of yan as opposed to the first in in the first context of B mikdash and in the second context of bet mikdash same city same bet mikdash I mean lower scale the BET mikdash Second Time Around fine but still bet mikdash when does Yim enter into the picture the first time around certainly not in the days of Yeshua Yeshua conquers ER Israel in the days of D categorically it's an it's a it's an area that the Yim still have control and D liberates that area it's basically the last Act of Conquest in AR Israel the conquest begins with going over the ardan in days of Yeshua and takes a long time it took 440 years from time that Yeshua crosses the to build mikdash for because it says in the it says it was 480 years from not go 40 years from the desert 4 40 years so what was the role of Yim from that time from Yeshua until nothing nothing it wasn't part of the Enterprise of Israel what was the role of so those who are familiar with early American history said there were 13 original colonies and then they made it into the United States of America right that's why the first flag was 13 stars now it has 51 Stars right Med Israel they say right 13 stars the original ER Israel was 12 separate entities political entities each shav was doing its thing and there was here and there and there Regional leaders and sometimes if there was a war they would call on here look at the Shir of dor inake she castigates some of the shim that didn't come through when we called them and and Lords those shim that did come through and sent the army so sometimes they had to have allies from internal am Israel allies from theim the purpose of Yim was to unify am Isel into one people and that's why the city of Yim was never divided amongst the tribes that's a statement by the way was never given it is a corporate ownership of clel and that happens after bet Bon is built so all of what becomes Yim focuses from basically em from the is and becomes is the last item on the agenda in B cheni it's just the opposite B cheni we receive a license from Persia to to come back terat KES unfortunately only 5% was Zionist and came 95% opted for America it had a different name it was called B but it was the same thing as RI writes in the they had their homes they had their businesses their grandparents were refugees and we're settled I got into Harvard already in bille you know so why make the big move that's what happened 95% opted out and 5% K say had am come in Mass by Chain the never would have been a second quban so the second mdash was doomed on day one on day one it was doomed so the um how did it start it started by building Yim and the walls of Yim and only afterwards did they expand outward you remember studying physics nuclear physics in sixth grade I'm telling you I studied nuclear physics in sixth grade I actually made a cloud chamber a Wilson's Cloud chamber as a uh class project so the uh you learn about radiation and so on what's the difference between fishing and fusion it's the difference between the atom bomb that was exploded over Hiroshima Nagasaki and a hydrogen bomb a a a a atom bomb is fishing fishing means the splitting of the atom and if it's done in a proper way it releases enormous amount of energy so you take an atom Fusion is the exact opposite process it's by taking atoms and forging it together in a certain manner that causes a release of even more energy than the process of fusion but you know that to drop an a hydrogen bomb you have to first drop an atom bomb to trigger it because you need that heat but then afterward boom you don't want to be near it when it goes off right the difference between Yim first time around and second time around was the difference between fusion and fishing the first time around Yim was Fusion it fused together it grouped together it bound together all of theim into one cohesive hole that's what yam was it was an act of fusion in B cheni it was an act of fishing it started and the kadia exploded outward and the r said a big because the r tells us that the kadus of er Isel after the destruction of the first B mikdash was abolished because we conquered and that was the act of sanctification the Babylonians conquered they nullified and erased our conquering and therefore there's no kadha but after the destruction of the second betam mikdash the Kad the sanctity of remained until this very day why what's the difference so raah tells us that the act of sanctification Second Time Around was kaka kaka means settlement and we never ever relinquished that title there was always people always people here last 2,000 years there always at least a million of people somewhere in Earth Israel we never relinquished it but the r went further the sanct the sancity of Yim never was abandoned never and because because why because the sanct has to do with the fact that chose to be there so you can have all the armies in the world but they can't negate the presence of as the ra says you can't erase the the presence of God and therefore if you sh and B CH jettison Sparks of K upon every new settlement in Isel every new settlement of Isel assumes the character of K and that sanctity cannot be abandoned and therefore because what Sanctified Earth Israel the first time around was not the settlement it was the Conquering it was kush and that was undone in spite of what spite of all that no the ra believes that the K of remained but the of was abandoned after and therefore if you happen to have been there in the 70 years of galut you were exempt from truma and Mas andita because without the necessary prerequisite of K you don't have to fill any of those mitv yeah in is it's two it's that's a sharing itself to define the difference between the sanctity of is and the sanctity of so sancity of has to do with bet mikdash and its source ish's presence the sanctity of is has to do with the uh making us obligated in the various mitv that are bound so it's a different level of K which by the way it's a lower level of K however what the r suggested was that because the Y begins the process ofat by Chinese second temple era and expands outwardly to other new developing communities they all have a touch I call it a jettison spark of Yim and hence there's something about the kadha that remained which will then somehow activate the kadha as well this is a very interesting novel idea of the r you can take it or leave it but he did say it but having said that this whole discussion of the two different you uh purposes of Yim let's go back to the poem let's go back to the poem and look at the last stanas the last I'll tell you exactly where I'm going to start from three lines from the end three lines from the end is a petition it's the last stands up it's it's a petition from gabri toos that they should restore ER Isel but look how he says it he started by saying B and SE B and Rome so he's going to ask for the restoration of Yim on two frequencies B and Rome look how he does it see he was a genius you have it the third line from the end Ben b zul b zul is a nickname of B mikdash it's one of the nicknames of B mikdash bave and restore the borders he knows that there's no bet mikdash without the borders of Isel doesn't exist in a vacuum there's got to be an Isel there so we asking to rebuild mikdash Ben B build a mikdash V and restore our borders and not just restore the borders geographically politically but there should be people here bring us back which borders carel vashan which are those two borders where's the carel car car right carel and where's the Bashan where's ER Bashan now since end of bash is the Golan Heights is the Golan now do you know that when people traveled from Iraq old Iraq bav modern day Iraq so if you if you take an airplane from Baghdad to Tel Aviv it's it's shorter as they say as the crow flies as the Dreamliner 787 flies from back that to Tel Aviv much shorter than the route that The Travelers took the the the the the the um the business people how did they go they didn't go straight because it was Desert most of the country of Jord this desert you don't want to travel there you travel with there in Oasis with some water so there's a traveler's route and it was a little bit of a zigzag in Syria and that's why where did the Babylonian Army come in from the first of the three weeks from the north once again Babylonia is the East why did they come from the north because that's where they came from they came this way from the north and that path is known as the P python path python is a snake now you know that in Hebrew and in Aramaic the pay and the BET interchange in Arabic as well the B and P interchange in Arabic modern Arabic and a t and a shin interchange between Hebrew and Aramaic how do you say three in Aramaic tat which is in Hebrew shinin shal how do you say eight in Aramaic Tam which is is an octopus a is an octagon so we've used the Aramaic equivalent of eight for these modern day Hebrew words so Bashan was actually peten and what is pen a snake so why is it called erab Bashan because it was the snake path area that's where the Travelers went and and and what whatab is saying here restore our borders from the place that the Babylonians crashed through on the Bashan and from the Carmel where did the Romans come from the Mediterranean opposite the Carmel mountains near AKO near AKO which is the ancient Port City so you see the carel mountains as you're coming to the borders of Earth Israel so he's saying carash we ask take a look of what happened and take revenge from whom who's AER and who is disan so you probably figured it out one's asov one's Rome and one's B but who is it do you remember the end where the Tor talks about the AL the and this is why Generals in the Israeli Army are called Alim because the says on the of of that's that's War so when yobu goes with his arm of War he's an as and the top ones are the AL that's why the generals are called Alim the top officers and two of the many Alim was Al and Alan why because the Babylonians policy was somewhat benign they took over a country and and what they did was they actually allowed for the local leadership to continue Babylonians were here in AR Israel 18 years before the destruction and they let the king yoakim continued to reain and then there was yoin and then there was they let them rain and then they tried with with Galia didn't work but they wanted only two things they had a problem of logistics how do you feed your soldiers Babylonian soldiers and where they going to stay we can't bring tents and so on so the answer is they forced us to house the soldiers and feed the soldiers they forced us to house them that's ater ater means treasure means Bounty so we were forced to give of our homes and food to the Babylonians what did the Romans do when they came here they burnt everything down you go to The Old City you go to the burnt house and anytime the archaeologists find Rome this charred material they were the big burners that's what they did what is desen Trum the ashes on the and therefore the AL was B the AL were the Romans the big burners and we say take revenge from these two why sh is the mute we are mute we know we deserved it but do it anyway take revenge is lifted right out of in monetary litigations they owe it to us why anybody learning Bama knows these are the last two of the four principal damages so the last one is fire it's the damage that's Rome who is the so the himself doesn't know what m is has different things but in the Yi it says those who have an ax who tramples and eats from the neighbor Shanel that's how thei understands shenel that is the indictment against bavel who were drat regel they went into our homes and they took our food they trespassed and they took our food we now going to send them a bill for hotel accommodations and full board and so on that's the and the Romans they burnt everything they're going to get a bill for our homes for that too the on the same day working consistently with thei at the beginning of the poem identifying Rome and bavel as both having crashed through on the 17th and using the in bakama to explain the m and he Association of B and and and Rome this is an absolutely brilliant brilliant piece of poetic literature and um and we'll just end with that that I began should give us the great of seeing the and but that has an end has an end it says Shalom when and Shalom get their act together and sometimes we know that they are in conflict with each other but when they AET and Shalom are together we'll have it together all right so I'll be here mem in two weeks time and um and everybody should be well