Were Slav (Quail) more ordinary than you think?

So it's a beautiful tashia. Okay. So the topic for tonight topic was adverti that was advertised was sllo more ordinary than you think. Now what does that mean? So I'd like to do is go through the pukum and sort of try to understand what this love was. And I think to put it in perspective again um I mentioned this when we were learning this yesterday. um we live in many ways we can learn in a way that the people couldn't 10 20 100 or 500 years ago because there is so much available today in terms of archaeological digs in Israel and and and different languages that are uncovered and and sociological understandings and just scientific knowledge that that stories that seem odd suddenly make such perfect sense and you understand exactly why the story is portrayed the way it is and that's the love that I' like to discuss now. So I don't think anything is revolutionary. I think once it's established it's patently obvious but I'd like to sort of give a perspective on Slav and and of course the Slav appear in our para but our para is the second appearance of the Slav. The Slav appear first when we left Mitsayim and um we ran out of food and it's there was a food supply I guess about 30 days that we took with us. The kura lasted 30 days and after 30 days there's panic and we reach out to God says I'm going to provide food and I think what people instinctively think is well the food is man right that's what we think about and that was maybe the prime food but told us that there are going to be two forms of food there'll be the man I guess maybe the carbohydrate >> they knew that before about slum >> they were told well that's what told them I will provide two types of food the mun and the slav of maybe the carbohydrate and the protein. You'll have, you know, you'll have both. And it's explicit in the PK. But what's really interesting is is that the man when it's described in the sukim, it's clear that it's something unique. It's unusual. It's something people haven't seen, something miraculous. And the P is quite explicit about that. There's nothing explicit about this love being miraculous. And indeed, in the world of Medvish, there's such discussions about man, there's really very little about Slav. But both of them were meant to be positive foods that were provided right when we left the so I went back to paral that's the starting point so come with me um and I underline I brought the I underline the parts that are attention catching that put in perspective so and again I think people don't even think about this or notice this but thirdpay you'll have both you'll have your meat in the evening maybe your heavier food in the evening, you'll have your bread in the morning, maybe the lighter food in the morning, but those that do food stuffs and is providing because um you've complained little bit of a critique here. Um and then we talk about this love. The love is there's a brief half about this. Go to the fifth line. Um the came and it covered the camp. No real discussions about the Slav. But then contrast it with the discussions about the man. When we talk about the man, it's not just the there's do. And then after the do there's this thin substance, we don't know what it is encased, covered um maybe like some type of frost or and and then people don't know what it is. People say, "Manu, what is this?" And then the tells you there was an exact amount. Each one had an exact amount. And then we tell you um don't leave it over. You leave it over till the morning. It'll it'll rot. It'll decay. And then and people did didn't listen. Okay. In the world and it did decay. And then we tell you twice as much fell and nothing fell on Travis. So man is encased in miracles. are explicit in the Pik. There's nothing in the Pik about the Slav being miraculous. In the world of Medish, man takes on a whole range of readings. >> It also tells you uh kind of hints at when you should have your light nails and head >> could be. Yeah. Yeah. That would tie in. And the world of Medish, I just chose one. Um there's the north wind and there are golden tables and the world of medishes is ausive, right? The idea is that one had every taste. Now I tell you the actually go all over the place with that. Not so simple. You know again literal readings of these madrash not always um absolutely imperative because some of them present man as being actually a hard food to process. You have to work in it. You have to grind it and then and one specific taste. But whatever it is there there are certainly miracles that are explicit. Nothing about that about the tal about the Slav. So the first question is did the Slav always accompany the man? Did it not? Was it part of our diet? So this Rabber Paka who takes a more traditional approach and he says well if we're telling you you have both food stuffs they always came together you had man you had Slav there's no discussion about explicit miracles by Slav because it wasn't so miraculous because birds do fly and people catch them the man was very different but he does seem to say that the Slav and man worked in tandem now I'll tell you this rabbi is really difficult because okay um what does the puss tell us the pekk is is not restricted The para special you have the pukum in this week's para which talk about what seemed to be the reappearance of Slav sounds like they hadn't that Slav for a long time sounds like the Slav is becoming part of our life again and it sounds like the second time around they've caused great damage right so these are the um sukum in our para where um the community is complaining or at least sections of the community are complaining um um source five the lesser people the the troublemakers they wanted more than they should have had and they're complaining and they're crying and brought them slav it really sounds if they hadn't received love till then and then when people ate the slav was bad for them um they ate the food and immediately there's a plague they died macakarab really large amount and the the place where they were to commemorate this was called kibata A so again takes this approach and certainly you know it's an important approach. It's not really the simple reading of the suka and I think you'll see most don't go in that direction. It's like a punch, >> right? And it sounds like the Slav came occasionally. It wasn't regular. Sounds like the Slav came and they left Mitsry. They had no problem with it. It sounds as if they weren't getting meat because they were complaining that we don't have meat. And the Slav is an answer to that which means they didn't have the Slav and the Slav came again. >> Yeah. So it's a protein. Um we miss the protein. And so this love comes again and this time there was something unhealthy about it. It caused problems at least for some of them. There's a problem. >> Is that the last time this love came? >> So that's something the rishon discuss. So here if you look at the second side of the sheet um there's a range of a shon at the second side. Um um okay so there's a raban who explicitly says this love did not come all the time. Doesn't seem to say how 13. Look at the ramban again. A lot of these are back in paral the first of um some are in this week's but um predominantly back in paras the quite explicitly says the came occasionally the came all the time because um you know the man was the basic substance builds on at he quotes Rashi Rashi who's okay Rashi seems to say like that the love is constant but look a little bit further in 14 you know right before Rashi tells you his reading is is that the love came once it stopped and it came again maybe just a second time so say the love came all the time and maybe constantly back them on. Y shin will say this love came the first time and the second time maybe never again but maybe there's something to it coming the first and the second time and I'd like to go back to my first question which you you know you know some things once you notice them you can't stop noticing them when the Tyra talks about money portrays it as a miracle it's explicit in the world of madrashim the miracles are ausive extraordinary unimaginable and again even if you don't read madrashim literally the pic is quite explicit in the m being very very unusual these exact amount and and andishi really hard to to you know to to view that in any any way that is not miraculous love there's no indication of the PK even >> you didn't keep Slav in the in the in the >> right for sure right so the Moran is something positive special and all of that ties in with this so whether the love came just these twice whether it came more than twice whether it came all the time didn't seem to be miraculous. >> It came because they complained. >> So the first time it came together with the man the man also came because of complaint but that was a legitimate complaint. They're not really punished. The second time they complained together punished. So I want to figure all this out. >> But it came already. So was it? >> So let's discuss. Yeah. Let's and and then you know bring back your questions because there'll be a lot of questions about this. Good questions. But I think the answers will will address the questions. But I think the real starting point is no. There's no no words in the Torah extra. No letters or extra. Torah doesn't always give us dates. Actually, dates are much less frequent than you think they are. Aren't many dates in the Torah about about when people died, about about most events, but there are dates about when the Slav fell. When did the Slav come? So, all you have to do is open the PK the open. When did it come? >> 15th of year. >> 15th of year, the first time. And when did this love come the second time? >> It's explicit in Bos. brought it down. >> Um, so the Pik is right there in front of you. Past is five, >> the 20th of year. Now, it sounds like it's not exactly a year apart, but you know what? It really is close to a year apart because how many days are there in a Hebrew calendar, a lunar calendar? 354. How many days are there in a in in a solo calendar? >> 360. >> You want to end up in the middle? What's it going to be about? 360. 15 year 20 year. It's really exactly year apart. Both in the spring. What happens every spring in the Sinai desert? What happens every spring in Eritis? Something to do with birds. Bird watchers, they migrate. Travel from the entire world. People who study birds and love birds travel to Israel every spring. Why do they travel every spring? Because what do birds do every spring? What do they do every fall? >> They build nests. >> They migrate. That means there are birds who live in northern climates like New York. They can't tolerate the winters. So what do they do every fall? >> They fly. >> They head south. And what do they do every spring? They fly north. Where do they fly to warmer climates? So in the US it's easy. They fly down to Florida, right? That's south. But in Europe, where do they fly to? Southern Europe is not warm enough. Italy is not warm enough. Greece isn't warm enough. Where do they fly to? >> East. >> They fly to >> east. >> Um, south. Warm. They want it to be warm, so they fly south. So, where are they flying to? >> They're flying to Africa. But can birds fly over the Mediterranean? Birds have to stop, right? >> Rest. >> So, where do they how do they fly to Africa? all the hundreds of millions, billions, I don't know how many birds there are in Europe. How do they fly to Africa? >> Israel, >> they go east to Israel. They go south through Israel and then they go to Africa and they go south. And so Israel, contemporary Israel, ancient Israel is a bird watchers paradise. And people from the entire world read a just go online. Go online bird watching Israel ornithologist Israel bird migrating Israel people ornithologist mean people who study birds travel from the whole world to Israel I actually went um you should know >> so um so my my sh Canada was could be that they're listening it's actually it's a wonderful sh it's >> pretty prominent right so there was a really wonderful Canadian prime minister Harper was a big I role he was really he was supportive he flew of Knesset and he he took some rabbis with him. I whatever there was some rabbits who went I whatever I happened to be connected so I went he um it was tremendous of Israel what Israel did was they dedicated a section of the hoola swamp in the north but it's a spot where bird watchers go to give him cover they during that visit they dedicated something um in his honor but Israel is a center of bird watchers now the birds fly from Africa to Israel how do they get from Africa to Israel they fly over the Sinai desert and when did they fly >> in the spring, right? >> Hundreds of millions of >> hundreds of millions. Probably billions. Hundreds of millions. A many many. I I don't know how many birds. >> 100 million birds from 500 different species >> of migrate over >> every spring. >> Every spring. Okay. Now, so these birds fly a very big flight. How far do they fly from the ground? >> So, we're used to our birds here in North America who fly hundreds of feet. The birds who fly at least many of them a certain bird which is the Slav bird I think the English term might be corex or corvix flies about 2 feet from the ground. It's a small pudgy bird. Now what does the pik tell you about these love birds that flew? How far from the ground do they fly? About 4t from the ground. >> Pretty close. >> These are the birds, right? A few feet from the ground. um they fly every spring. >> So the slub that we ended up catching in the spring were birds that fly every spring through the Sina desert. >> They were small birds. >> They were small birds and they still are small birds because the better the Sina desert still live off catching these birds. >> They they were bite-sized meals. >> They were they're relatively small. You can catch them. And so again again it's one of the beautiful things about learning today. learning today is you know >> you know you read the zaris we're not living at harina for sure but there's a wonderful expression dwarfs on the shoulders of giants we are dwarfs in the there's so much accumulated knowledge there's so much available and it's just stay right in front of you once you start looking so here let me um from you know a wonderful article that was written in this love look at nine okay uh maybe let's not jump to source nine let's jump to source Um okay um source 14 okay so it's an article on paras bashalak I I think from the VBM um it's by karodori now again he's a he points out he talks about this love bird okay it really is a bird that um it has it has small wings 15 second side of the page it doesn't fly It flies. It fly. It's difficult for it to fly. It passes um 15. And we're just going back and forth. >> How does it go that far? >> It's so It flies but low from the ground. Um Yeah. And these they push themselves, right? >> It couldn't fly over any water for sure. >> And that's but that's why it doesn't that's why all the birds from Africa don't fly over the Mediterranean. They would drown. They all make a turn. They go >> one wave take out. >> Right. Right. No. So they don't fly over the Mediterranean. So what they do is they go east and fly through the S into Israel. Um during the spring it flies at night um again through the Sinai and it flies you know at great distances. Now they're very very tired. So they fly low. It's very easy to catch them because they fly like a meter and a half from the ground, right? Meet three feet, right? So about four and a half ft from the ground. Five, you can catch them by just by by just putting by just putting nets in the ear along the coast of of the Sinai and indeed come with me back to source. Okay. Nine. So this is again you don't need what this does is it just it of course it reinforces the story in the Torah. It makes it so rich and relevant at least to me for children. I share this with my kids in the foot they had to shoot an arrow up into the sky or something. >> But the Pik tells you kamasim tells you is about 4 feet and I was about it's exactly what it is. And indeed what happened is is that here in this article he acts as an old Sicilian historian because what these birds would do is they would fly they would go back to their homes in Europe, right? So they fly through the Sina desert through Israel then make turn to the west to go through Europe but they would go through the southern part of Europe, right? Southern part of Italy, right? Um Sicily up to the north of Italy. So he quotes a a histo a Sicilian historian from the first century. It says quail >> and he writes, >> right? And he writes already it's quail, right? Some type of quail, but there's there's actually a very specific um Latin term for something like what is it? >> Coernics. >> Okay. Okay. Um so he writes and there this is it talks about the people who lived in Arish which is Elish in the Sinai desert that they live off this. And so after the 67 war, again, Israel today has such a rich body of archaeologists and anthropologists and historians and linguists. Again, it's a Israel is is is the most intellectual country in the world. Highest rates of PhD per capita, highest rates of college grads per capita. I mean, it is it's it's a truly intellectual society. And I find that you should know it's always when you go there. I find the Shabas table there. it the conversations are always significant at least in the world that I associate with here always just significant um much more so I find than here so and people they live in the land and they know so after the 67 war here an Israeli ornithologist said you know I I've read about this this um from you know ancient history why don't they just go to the Sinai desert we have it now so we travel to the Sinai desert and he sees even in 1967 the better one. How do the better live, right? They're not farming. You can't farm, right? Maybe some of them hurt cattle, but not so much, right? You know, they have a better mentality. No, for the moment. What they do is every spring they put nets in the ground about 4 ft off the ground. They place them near the coast and the bird just flying to nets. They were doing this in ' 68. He saw them doing this, right? And I'm maybe they're still doing this now. It could be they're all living off government programs now and they don't need to do things, but this is how the better. So this was a very normal way for people to find the protein they needed in the Sina desert. Look third line there were nets cast on the ground and just a few um meters from the ground a meter or two from the ground and the birds were caught. And so the migration of Sllo was nothing miraculous. It was something very normal. It happened every spring. Now we slaves who were going from Egypt who never dealt with things didn't know about this but as soon as we go to the desert we're complaining gives us the gift of mud but there's also going to be Slav but it's there anyway this is a normal part of life there so there's nothing unique or special about it it's something title of the sh was love more ordinary than you think it really is now this actually ties in with so many madrasim So like there are madrasim that seem so odd and you know >> where do they get punished by? >> We're going to get there in a moment. We'll get there in a moment. But the madrashim again madrashim one should never forget madrashim not all of them but many madrashim were written by tanim which means they have the weight of mishna some amaram some are later. They're very very valuable but some of them seem so strange. Now do you read all of these odd madrashim literally? I mean I'm I'm not given to reading all madrashim literally. Um I for one I'm other approaches um but if you're not a literalist sometimes you wonder that seems so strange but then actually sometimes when you explore modern science they resonate even in a literal way. So here there's a medish um look at source 18 medish. So you know there's there's this there's this negativism about Slav because the first time we we eat it there's no deletterious effects nothing negative happens second time we eat it um people die so there's negativism and in the world of medish once it gets negative it gets very very negative right bum is bad so every imaginable bad thing that could have been done he does right >> so that that's another discussion about why medish is that way is it that way or is it just a way of creating a picture for people run say about this? >> I would say he would I would say he would say that cuz every bad thing that could have been done bum did right every bad thing that could have been done he did. Is it do we know that for a fact he did those things? Um because some of the things are really quite extraordinary. >> Right. I had an argument with Rashi and not all the the bad texts of Torah which the Raj beginning of Yates. The reason the Raj was cut out of certain. Um Murice says that if my grandfather would have had time he would have written as perish. Um so um um so um but look at this med 18 from the bottom. Okay. would come up from the sea and then what does the tell you but the bad would make them even you know worse people ate the love they died but you know what just coming down from the skies it killed people well why did these birds kill people what's going on here right so I want you to see the bottom line okay >> you the Slavs weren't highf flyers >> so >> this is something else >> so so how do they kill people Right. >> You said it came out from the sky, >> right? I mean I mean the sky I mean you read dust it doesn't necessarily mean from 100 ft up from 2 feet up but it killed people. How do do these love really kill people? So I was learning this from someone in the morning. So yeah it did um look at the bottom um source quoting a Roman historian from the first century. Okay. A Roman historian from the first century 19 200 2,000 years ago. They they fly in flax and such big flaxs that there's so many of them and you know what happens sometimes they meander into the sea and a bunch of them will plant themselves in a boat and you know what will happen thousands tens of thousands hundreds of thousands plunk themselves in a boat and the weight will be so unexpected that the boat will sink they caused the ship to sink. So they were dangerous. They were masses and masses and masses and they would they were hordes. They would descend. So people lived with them. People caught them. But but they were dangerous in a way because they come in such such multitudes that they could descend on a tent and they >> would rely on boats or floating devices. Ships. >> No, I don't think they rely on I I don't know that they rely on the boats to catch them. Maybe they did that too. They put nets in the ground, but people also had boats. >> No, no, no. I'm not talking about the people. I'm talking about the slug. >> No, they did. >> They rely on the boats to rest. I don't think they knew of that. Maybe if some yandered into the ocean, they went in the boats. Maybe if some there was a boat right near the coast, they would. But this is the story that this Roman historians bring down. But all I'm trying to do is take a medish that seems so odd and give it um give it credence when you know the historic reality. Now, what though is this piece about this love killing people? It seems to be a blessing, right? You have free food, you have protein, it you don't need to work for it. it just comes your way. What in the world do you do with this? Right? How do you solve this? So the answer is really simple and also what you have to do is you have to simply look at history. All right. What happens when a person exercises? What what what chemicals does the body release? >> You're you're breaking your muscles. >> So there are good ones. Seroton feel good about yourself, but what else are you doing? and and right and what happens are all of these is everything that you endorphins are positive they feels but they're also toxins that you release when you break muscles >> now what they're good in terms of your um self- betterment but in terms of someone else consuming it is it a good thing so you're not a cannibal right so we don't consume people but if an animal just exercised in unusually for days for weeks on end and its body was released releasing toxins and you eat it, what's going to happen to you? >> A lot of poison. Yeah, >> there'll be a lot of poison. So, here he documents so interestingly and again it just again it just it it makes it gives the story credence. It doesn't take away it adds what the Tora is telling us happened exactly exactly but this is this is the way it is. So here the same Roman historian from the first century, Sicilian historian, this Italian story from the there was no Italy then, but but um from the first century says that people would catch these birds and sell them. And you know, the world is full of people who make fur coats. They sew fur coats, but they can't afford to wear them because they're too expensive. They they they prepare expensive cheeses. They can't afford to eat them because they're too expensive. Right. >> Right. But every once in a while um you know you prepare a fur cop but there's no one to buy it. You prepare a lot of expensive camber cheese and you can't bring it to market. So you'll bring it home and you'll eat it. So he brings down that the birds would fly to this the southern part of Italy. That's where they would go first and maybe they were easier to catch because they were tired and many people in the southern part of Italy would catch the birds. They would ship them to Rome where rich people lived because these were a delicacy. They would slaughter them in Rome and people would eat them and it was a great great delicacy. But there was one period where for whatever reason there were too many of them or they couldn't or the roads to Rome were congested or there was I don't know they couldn't ship the birds to Rome. So people in the southern part of Italy ate the birds and didn't ship them to Rome which meant not long after they landed there they slaughtered the bird. What happened to the people? >> They died. But they were eating a bird that people in Rome have been eating for thousands of years with no no bad effects. Why were the people in Sicily dying from the birds that were perfectly fine? >> They had just exercised >> because they had just done tremendous amounts of flying and the toxins were still in their body. And so they didn't know that you have to wait for the bird to recuperate and for it to excrete the toxins. So they ate the bird before the toxins had been excreted. So they ended up dying. And again, this is not medish. This isn't gimmar. It's basic history. And of course, this might tie into the story. So look at nine. So this historian writes, okay, same. And then he tells you a story. Okay, where are we? Um, it's actually not source nine. It's source okay source 12 okay so again same articles okay okay okay middle of the second line Felix Hud Felix is actually um he was actually he was actually an educator in Toronto um he wrote a safer I don't know what it's called it's a very very good one it's on it's on animals and fauna and floor in the Torah just you know very you know if you're interested in that it's a it was a very well-received work it's well known actually I I just don't remember the name of Um the people have been suddenly would catch the birds and send them to Rome too many birds speak they didn't end up you know sending everything they caught they decided to eat the bird many died because these birds either because they released toxins or because of the food they ate in Africa there was some poison in the system that the body didn't have a chance to excret greet and so the people die. Now let's get back to our para. Our para tells us that the people sends love and says you want slav you have it but you're in trouble and what happens the people grab this love. They're so excited to eat it. What happens afterwards? >> They die. Why do they die? >> Toxins. >> Toxins because the birds were poisonous. Now clearly it isn't always poisonous because the first year we get this love and everything's fine, right? >> So is this so is this with any animal or bird or just >> I I don't know. I don't know if it's any animal. I again I'm not an ornithologist. I'm sure there's someone who studies this 2 minutes in line. No, no, no. But this specific bird >> stick on a treadmill and then check them. >> I don't know. What I just happened to notice didn't look up that what they also do is that there is >> and when they eat those seeds that creates toxins for them as well. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Eastern flyway they don't have it when they're coming down through Greece that way. That's where they are. These sea lice grow and it's documented back the qual and then if you eat the quail then you get the headlock from >> and that kills you. Right. Right. So yeah >> different phenomenon the way you describe it. Yeah. Okay. Different both. So and maybe there are theories about how it works. Now why weren't the people harmed the first time they ate it? Could be kadesh protected them controls the world and wants you this love. Could be gave them guidance. could be it took place under the opaces of Mosha Raina where it wasn't um it wasn't wild told Mosha to tell them wait three days before you there were lots of could be the second time it's a free-for-all they're they're complaining inappropriately they have food but says you know what I'm not going to take care you you know you want the birds you'll have them and so they ate them in an unprotected >> the first one was it >> what does it say >> in both it's Soak yes but but controls. So maybe it's some say the first one they came >> gives you but that's part of the just natural phenomena. Love is natural. >> What's the second one? It says >> um it's just something similar a natural phenomena. Okay. Um >> it it you know it blew um salim. It blew the um these quail. Um >> so there you go. That's what I'm trying to get at. The first time it says that Hashem sent them. The second time it says they came or something brought them means if Hashem sent them they're not exercised. >> Could be. But again, they come in the spring anyway, right? This is their natural migratory route. They come every spring. >> So it's their route. >> So again, could be the first time. I mean this most logical answer is is that the first time it took place under Mosher Benu's control. Mosher guided them. He said the you eat the slub you wait three days before your why because told him because knows nature and you don't your slaves leaving. Second time was a free-for-all. They began eating it right away. Bus doesn't go into details. So the P doesn't need to go into details because um that's not necessary but it's sort of it um the core idea is is that the PK is quite explicit in telling you the M was supernatural and implicit maybe not explicit that the um this love was was natural. Why would it cause death and plague? Because naturally it does. Why do people eat it? Because they know how to deal with it. Right? In Japan people eat right that fugu fish, right? Maybe there's a little bit of poison. If you eat it, it'll kill you. So, um there there are millions of people, maybe hundreds of millions of people who eat the quail and nothing terrible happens to them because they know how to deal with it. >> Um Claius didn't know how to deal with it. But the first time it comes around, they got this who guarded them. Second time, you know, it's a free-for-all. You're complaining. You're going to get your love. Do what you want with it. And I guess maybe the good people didn't eat it. Maybe the good people still went to Mosher Ber for guidance. um somebody because they're actually um gimmarists that tell you well the sham ate it and died and the good people ate it and they were nourished and they were fine. >> No, the slaves >> good people the bad people ate it and died. >> Need to cook it. That's what >> Oh, cooking it but died. Right. Right right. >> I want to say something. I I I forgot why I saw this message, but I saw a message that the the mun was such a holy spiritual food that when the clients ate the mun, >> they did not have to um you know, they did not have to go to the bathroom afterwards because their body absorbs the entire thing of the mud. So that's right. That's right. And maybe they didn't need the mud was enough and now you're asking for more. Maybe that's why. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. So now again there's a range show there's a there's a range of readings for the mun um certainly there are those that's extraordinary I would say there's a lot of was sort of more prosaic about it that you had to grind it that's really the PK and that it had a specific flavor but telling you its flavor um you have to work hard so like the world of thera it's it's it was a substance but maybe it was boring according to that approach the mad drushic approach it was fantastic you like pistachio ice cream with with um with whipped cream. It had that flavor. So there's the range of readings about how the Mun worked. But whatever it was, the mun was was certainly a supernatural food. That's explicit. This love seemed not to be. Um it harmed them because it's a harmful food. It didn't harm them the first time around. My supposition is they simply listened to motion radio. First time it took place under control under motion radio. He just said, "Wait, the second time you know you're wild. I'm not going to stop you." Um, the ones who went to Mosha Bain for advice were told to wait. Maybe. And maybe that's why they didn't die. Maybe. But again, maybe because God protected them. Maybe. Maybe. You know, there are so so many maybe. What I'm bringing to the table is is that all of contemporary findings, they sort of embet the stories. They make them interesting and rich and relevant and real and and and they just resonate more than I think they would otherwise. Certainly, that's how I would teach it to my own children. Um, >> where were the Jewish people geologically when they ate the slub the first time and where were they the second time? >> What area? >> So I I I don't know the >> they had landed >> previously. >> It's the same and they had automatically waited three days and here they were close to where they landed. So boom, they ate them right there. >> Maybe. Yeah, I don't know the geography of the sign of the migratory. It's difficult to to sort of address that. Maybe that's a component. So many there are so many potential answers and and the answers are easy but but that I I don't think that really needs to be explored because we can we can all speculate about the answers and and it's it's not hard to create differences um different areas um on motion rises waiting for protecting them because want to protect them whatever the answer is is there there's a range of possible answers I think what's interesting what can be brought to the discussion that I I don't think is really developed is that this works perfectly in sync with all of modern scientific data. Migratory roots, the type of bird, the local where they were, the season, and and this explains why the Torah is specific. Torah is so specific about the date. It's not per chance. We're telling you it's a spring migration. I don't know if the same is true of the fall migration. I don't know if the food stuffs you're saying from Greece down. So then that would be the full migration. Um, >> no, that's spring coming down. No, I'm coming down is falling back down. Right. Right. >> The first one fall when they're coming. >> Right. Right. So, it could be it's could be it's poisonous in both directions. Right. So, I mean >> the first one would not have been poisonous. >> Well, it would have been because of the toxins or maybe it needs to he speculates that it eats certain food stuffs in Africa that are also poisonous. That's a speculation. So, it could be it's poisonous in both directions. Um, isn't there a science that a plane going from America to Israel versus Israel to America is different flight times? >> Sure. Because of the wind against the wind, >> maybe it would less fatigue them, >> right? So that's cuz you're going against the turn of the earth, right? Cuz cuz the earth revolves less fatigue one way. >> Could be. I'm think you're not see when you're flying east to west, you're going against the cuz the world rotates, right? The world revol it doesn't. But north south, I don't think you'll have that. Um, I don't know if you'll have the pressure. Maybe there's a difference. Maybe there's different food stuffs. When it migrates north, it eats stuff in Africa. When it migrates south, it eats stuff in in in southern Europe. >> More nutritious, less nutritious. >> Oh, certain foods lend themselves to poison. >> It eats poisonous things. It eats poison right from Greece. But check on the migration north could be these things also. Here he speculates that in Afghan it's poisonous food and then others talk about the toxins the body releases. So whatever it may be there's um po I mean again that's documented and and >> it's the classic poison hemlock right. So um so um so it's just a very it just sort of an interesting interplay between all these different sciences and it makes a story rich doesn't take away anything from it. It just gives it gives you a story context and it's such an interesting thing to discuss at the Shabas puts it in. Look, this is exactly what we live with to this very day. Quite likely the better ones still do this. I don't know. Um because in Israel, >> they probably know when to eat, when not to, >> right? Yeah, of course they of course they do. Yeah, because they live with us every year, right? But we didn't, right? We would we were coming from a different world. >> So the first time was right after um you know, we ex accepted my angel leadership. They don't the same bitter complaints. So Misha told them to wait. The second time no one they're doing their own thing and god says you know you know carry right's punishment is frequently carry. It's not a direct punishment. You don't want the to guide you won't guide you and then what will happen will happen. And here um it's the punishment was that they weren't given insight. They didn't know how to deal with something they had never dealt with. >> Let me ask you a question. They ate slug before matant >> in terms of eating meat. Slav the actual SL. >> Yeah. >> The month is before Montra. >> Yeah. >> And after as well >> the first is before a month later they and they kept chabas before which all of these creates questions. It was a big question in 19th century America. They kept chabas but they were still right. They became Jews of Antro because we learned gay from well but well we know that Shabasa right >> but they didn't know that >> but they were gamal but still gave them shabas so was encouraging them to do something that's wrong so the question that arose in some interesting 19th century pim is if someone was gamal to become a Jew but he didn't under go to mik didn't undergo complete gay yet is he allowed to keep shabas is he like a half Jew they were half Jews they were gamal either either at the sor or in Egypt. Right? Right. >> Right. What is a convert between mil and and and what is the standing? >> There's a concept a very rich concept called zer is people who have some Jewish identity. You might encourage conversion. Basin boards deal with this all. It's a big issue in Israel. >> Jewish blood. >> A Jewish father. Right. Right. Yiddesh kite is transmitted maternally through the mother not through the father. But still there's a concept dealt with a lot. Um some of them are very supportive. Some of the chief rabbies the earlier ones the Russian immigrants big question. You normally here but when there is there's some type of Jewish identity already right. Israel is there's a crisis in Israel. Okay that was the topic duour. Yeah.