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Weekly Update: Nachum Segal and Malcolm Hoenlein Discuss the Latest News
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Nachum Segal welcomed Malcolm Hoenlein of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations to this morning's JM in the AM for the Weekly Update. They discussed the latest news concerning Israel and the Jewish community around the world.
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Malcolm Hoenlein is with us. Conference
of Presidents of Major American Jewish
organizations. We call this the weekly
update. Mr. Hoenlein, a pleasure to
welcome you back to JM in the AM.
>> Yeah, good to be with you as always.
>> Appreciate that. And we'll get to the
serious news, and there is
plenty of serious news, but I did say
that I would start with this. Not a
quiz. I'm not quizzing you. I just found
it funny and interesting. I'm in Israel
this week, and I uh
I turn on, of course, Israeli television
as I tend to do. See what's happening.
Check out what's going on in terms of
all the uh interesting news and the
latest developments.
And the craze uh all over the news
channels this week, Malcolm, as you
know, was the Likud primaries. You're
familiar with that, right?
>> I've heard about it.
>> So, now, these days, what's different
about television these days as opposed
to the old days? Now, we've got this
crawl at the bottom of the screen that
tells you the headline they're talking
about as they're talking about it.
Correct?
>> Right.
>> This crawl
>> [laughter]
>> This crawl has the words starting at the
start of the at the front of the line
here, at the beginning of the sentence,
"Primaries Likud." And I took I took a
picture because I said to myself that
you and I and many others until today
until today have been curious, how do
you spell primaries in Hebrew?
And I wish I wish our Fred Meyer
Weingarten would have been around this
week for this one. I would have had a
half hour on the air with him on this
one. Anyway, I'm not quizzing you. I'm
not quizzing you. I just want to get
this out of the way cuz I told the
listeners yesterday when I got back that
I would do this. Primaries, pay reish,
yod yod, mem reish, yod zayin. And there
it is, Malcolm. The question for you and
for everybody has been answered.
>> [laughter]
>> It did
Right. It shows the It shows how
un-Israeli it is to have primaries that
when you know, but the the um
I you know, I've seen it before. I've
seen it on on in the Hebrew
thing, but the It is time that they came
up with a word for it.
>> Nice.
Maybe we could uh
maybe we could uh lead the charge on
that uh campaign.
Maybe that will be one that will
actually be effective since so many
others unfortunately go by the wayside.
There is a lot of serious news this
week, folks, obviously, and we will
start with a story that um
again captivates the Jewish heart around
the world. And Malcolm, uh I just want
your reaction to it because I'm sure
it's similar to all of our reaction to
it. The remains of Yehuda Katz were
located, brought home for Kevura 44
years later. Uh those of us who went to
Kerem B'Yavneh always felt a special
connection. We have people here. Robert
Katz is his first cousin. Yishai Herzog,
president of Kedem Wine, is his first
cousin. There's always been an American
connection to all this, even stronger
than uh with some of the other POW
MIAs. And of course, the funeral took
place in the military section of Har
HaZeitim of the Mount of Olives earlier
this morning. Your reaction to this
development uh regarding the uh burial
now of Yehuda Katz.
Well, like the return of uh
uh Na'aman Frankel that he the the
returns of of
um
those who stood and defended Israel
and who
you know, were true heroes uh and all
but forgotten
uh I have to say that you know, uh we
worked very hard with the families. They
were some of them literally lived in
their offices for the whole time and
until their death, they they continued
the fight unyielding.
And as you know, that was one of the
reasons why I went to meet Assad in
Syria. It was a primary reason in fact
was to get the bodies and to get
information
on it which is too long to start for now
but
my heart breaks when I think about the
parents. If you knew how they literally
devoted 24/7
to this campaign because even Shabbat
they would go and speak in shuls they
would go and speak other places.
All the family so devoted to this
because you know the Torah tells us that
we that a family has no menucha they
don't have any rest until their loved
one come to burial until they actually
get buried.
And unfortunately they died
without ever getting that at least that
satisfaction of knowing that their
children came back.
And so it's it's especially meaningful
and you know there are still
unfortunately missing in action that
have not been recovered and then and
Israel continues no matter what to
search for them and and
the idea that we not leave no soldier
behind
continues and it's an important moral
message and commitment to those those
who are serving and to the families
those of those who did serve.
And so
I am glad that there's closure in part
and that people should go back and read
about the battle of Sultan Yacoub.
We saw the three of them on a tank in
Damascus. There were there were pictures
published afterwards.
And [clears throat]
Assad I mean of course they all denied
it denied it. But
this is really at least some
point of closure for them.
>> And as Malcolm refers to those who are
still left behind
Ron Arad captured 1986 and obviously Eli
Cohen who was executed in 1965 and those
uh, remain
high profile people that still we hope
their remains will be be brought
to Israel. Um,
you know, I commented earlier
So, you know, we always wonder about how
the government officials and military,
um, heads in [clears throat] Israel
you know, weigh the, um,
the the risk and reward when it comes to
sending the boys into battle.
Because, you know, if you're the Prime
Minister or anybody, we know with any
type of, uh, you know, decision-making
or if you're in the military and you're,
you know, you have to make these
decisions, uh, you would think, you you
know, that you would think about it a
thousand times before actually deciding
to send young men into battle because,
you know, for obvious reasons, because
of what both both you as an individual
and what you potentially could feel
based on the results and obviously what
their families would end up going
through, God forbid, et cetera, et
cetera.
And you wonder how seriously those who
make these decisions
take, uh, these decisions. And I think
that this attitude
of, uh, no man left behind, doing
everything in our power to rescue Jew
alive or dead anywhere in the world,
State of Israel, military of Israel, you
know, uncovering every stone to try to
find where these people are. I think
it's sort of I don't want to say
justifies, but I think it's sort of, um,
gives us a perspective on the attitude
in general. It can't be, Malcolm, and I
mean, I assume you agree with this. It
can't be that a people and leadership
that takes
what happened this week so seriously. It
can't be that they don't take the
original decisions of sending those into
battle just as seriously.
>> I remember seeing Rabin cry
at a meeting he had with us
when somebody asked him about the most
difficult thing about being Prime
Minister and he said making decision to
send boys to die.
I won't go through the whole thing, but
when you realize that he said in the
President of the States to make a
decision, but he never faces the
families. He said, "We see them every
day. They're outside my house. They're
on my street.
I know many of them.
And that it is a personal decision to
have to send them and and to have to
face them afterwards
the immediate ramifications, which is
not true for the president. There might
be some demonstrations once in a while,
but
in Israel for in for an Israeli leader,
it's a decision that in it is for their
own children, too.
And I I I think it's something that
people forget. And we often let
statistics replace the personal stories.
And we should never let that happen. How
how each one of them is a hero. And the
personal stories of them will help
remain keep them their presence alive.
Remind us who they are.
And and what they're doing for us, not
just for them.
And the the I I I will never forget
Rabin's discussion of that and and
seeing tears in his eyes
about coming out and every day when you
walk out of your house or I get in my
car, there are the families of of
somebody who served.
>> Yeah.
And it's interesting because how many
times have we when there when there have
been hostage situations, obviously way
too common recently.
And back in the Gilad Shalit episode, uh
you know, you'd walk by the the prime
minister's home and there there'd be
protest nearby and and there would be
continuous 24/7 around the clock.
And not just protest, but a presence.
And this is something that he saw every
single time. Every single time he walked
in or out or drove in and out of his own
home. So, yeah, you're right. There's
something to be thought of in terms of
that. All right. So, the news of the
week, the prime minister and the Jared
Kushner met in Jerusalem. There seems to
be um
some discrepancy about what the results
of the meeting was. Apparently, the
theme was that Kushner wants
on behalf of the US wanted Israel to
take small steps in Gaza to test whether
Hamas is generally committed to
disarming or not. Do you Do you have any
type of definitive
uh information about what Israel or
Netanyahu's reaction was to the meeting
with Kushner?
>> I do not. And they've played it really
close to the vest, which is something
that's very unusual.
And uh I've had some discussions, but I
It's not information I can share because
I can't confirm it. And uh I don't want
to speculate like many do about these
things. Um
it's very sensitive. It's very
important. This is not peripheral
discussions.
The fact that Jared again is playing a
lead role
um
is very clear.
Uh
and I think he was there without
Witkoff, uh although he was there with
uh Tony Blair and the people and
Mladenov, who is the um
the ostensible head of the um uh
the Board of Peace,
uh as well as another representative
from the board.
Uh I don't think that the Israelis have
much con- much confidence in the work of
the board or its potential to carry out
things and the
you know, additional restrictions placed
on Israel are are very complicated.
Uh Israel is trying to accommodate and
you see the orders that were given,
which are very troubling to a lot of
people, not to
take offensive action. And the
statements of leaders, military leaders,
saying that our role along the border in
Gaza and stuff was defensive.
And so that you could have 60 attempts
in a little over a week
to probe the Israeli defenses and to
have uh people cross over and Israel's
soldiers given the orders not to shoot.
Uh I I hope that you know, we're not
seeing a repetition of the past, but but
they
they are trying to be sensitive to
international order and to the to the
that the blame for the failure, which is
inevitable because Hamas will never live
up to the agreement.
Uh will should not fall on Israel as it
is today, no matter what.
But the the we have to remember the
lesson of of October 7th and that when
they are are testing things, they came,
they stole some equipment, um
engineering equipment and other things.
And for many Israelis, this is causing
um
a lot of pain and a a lot of concern.
And that the you know, on the other
hand, we have to recognize the position
Israel is in
and the uh pressures that are are being
brought to bear.
>> I never even considered that. Is it
possible cuz there was a report this
week that Israel has pulled back
somewhat, but but done it quietly. Is it
possible that they are adhering and that
Netanyahu is paying attention to Kushner
and his demand and at the same time
doesn't want the Israeli public, who he
wants voting for him, to know that there
is a real pull back going on?
>> Well, I don't think anybody these days
can dismiss the impact of the elections
on decisions that are being made,
especially because they are so close. I
mean, there's there's no clear winner
right now and
uh and they could as fall behind
somewhat. So, the uh that obviously is a
major consideration.
I think the people of Israel want to see
the army be free to take the steps
necessary to protect them, that they
don't want to be put in a position again
regardless of
people can can run over. Remember, Hamas
did not give up their weapons
and I don't believe that they intend to
give up their weapons and the
international community can do what they
want. now. They changed the rules and if
you look at the outcome
of the discussions as reported,
uh [clears throat] they they it includes
turning over the weapons, but not to
Hamas and not to to uh
uh storage houses that obviously they
could raid any time, but to an
international force that would
ultimately destroy those weapons.
And it's the removal of the weapons.
It's not just, you know, some sham
operation where they turn over the
weapons or they the and Hamas
reclassifies, you know, Kalashnikovs as
personal weapons that people were
allowed to keep, you know, certain arms
for their own protection.
That the the uh
uh rules that are are are being set in
this in the in the discussions and
obviously concessions that they got.
There were 15 points, I think, in the
agreement. Um to me the most important
was was about uh advance on the weapons
and that the principle that Israel does
not withdraw until the disarmament
is completed or at least uh sufficiently
underway for that to begin.
Israel has insisted on it, rightly, that
they cannot pull back because we know
from history exactly what happens and
how manipulative they are. We have not
seen new leadership emerge
in in Gaza at all that can take control
and and and and enforce this. The border
peace has not gotten the recruits. They
have I think 100 from Morocco and one
other country that pledged, but you
don't really you have some training
going on in Jordan
uh for that quote police force that's
supposed to govern
uh Gaza, but we know that the tremendous
number of weapons that have been
uncovered tells you how much is is there
and how much is in private hands and how
much is in still in Hamas storage areas
that have not been uncovered.
>> Are there supposed to be Americans in
that force?
>> No, Americans are not in that force. Uh
from the President Trump said they would
not be. Uh Uh there would be some
Europeans,
Africans,
and
as I said Morocco.
They They would be under the guidance of
the Board of Peace.
Um and the deployments are still very
vague about what would happen, but
they're not there. They just don't have
the soldiers there. The people have not
delivered on it. And so, you know, there
are so many steps that have to be taken
first.
>> Do you think a guy like Tony You know
Tony Blair? Do you think a guy like Tony
Blair thinks it's a total waste of time?
Like what what what do you think he's
thinking as all this is going on the
Board of Peace? And he's sitting at
these meetings.
>> I actually do know him and have worked
with him in the past.
I don't think he's playing that central
role. He is He's good as a door opener
and he's good to go when you travel to
the Arab countries and he raises money
prolifically for his own operations and
activities, which
>> [clears throat]
>> I frankly haven't seen having a broad
impact, but may well
but but he's as an international figure
respected and certainly
very few amongst them that would Israel
would engage with with any degree of of
trust.
So, his role is is symbolic, but also I
think practical.
The fact of the matter is as I said this
to the Quarto, more important role
people should go back and look at the 15
points and the agreements that were
reached because they do meet some of of
or many of Israel's
concerns. But the fundamental thing is
is the problem that Israel didn't agree
to stop the targeted killings, it didn't
agree to withdraw to the yellow line, it
didn't
agree to reduce the military presence,
which ultimately would be
uh, something to be uh, implemented. And
I think the, you know, Mike Huckabee was
there, was part of the discussions as
well, as Miladinov, who's the director
general, former ambassador, and a very
good friend of ours, and
uh, somebody who, uh,
did speak in in was Middle East envoy
at one point.
Uh, so you have to look at the at the,
uh, different, uh,
parts in that they, again, the fact that
the weapons will not be initially
transferred to the, you know,
technocratic government, uh, Palestinian
government that's supposed to be
created.
So, uh,
and they will be transferred to the, uh,
US-led ISF forces for, uh,
for destruction. So, these are all
important parts of the,
of of what really went on, but doesn't
get reported very much.
>> Could you imagine if that destruction's
on public display?
I mean, that would be some sort of
>> of it would have to be because I don't
think the Israeli people will have
confidence in it if they don't see it
because they know that all these things
are going to be
>> know if the enemy I don't know if the
enemy could tolerate it. I don't know if
they'll be able to tolerate that.
>> Well, if they get paid for the weapons
to get turned in,
>> [laughter]
>> they'll change the they'll change their
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us. We call this the weekly update. So,
on the subject of misdirection, uh,
because I brought it up regarding the,
um,
you know, whether Israel's actually
pulling back or not. Um, could a similar
thing be going on at the Strait of
Hormuz? And what I mean is that as
President Trump continues to what looks
like stall through this process,
you know, and every every week there's a
new declaration about how he's handling
it and how we're winning and etc. etc.
etc. It it does seem and and there are
reports that of the American the
American military has been quietly
operating a shipping corridor through
the straits, the navy is escorting
tankers in and out.
Millions of barrels supposedly, you
know, making its way.
A lot of side deals going on whether
it's the Iranians or the Americans or
the Oman or the UAE are involved, etc.
etc. Is it possible that the United
States is just waiting this whole thing
out because soon, if this continues, if
what I just said is accurate, if this
continues, soon it'll be irrelevant if
Iran controls the strait.
>> Well, I I don't think it'll become
irrelevant, but I think you're making
important point.
First of all, the exports they admitted
this week are down to zero.
And
and so a country that was dependent for
its existence, its income largely on its
oil exports
had to acknowledge that it's it's been
effectively curtailed. There was always
some smuggling, there's always some
little bits to get out, but the United
States has done a job that again the
media doesn't portray accurately.
And the president is clamping down on
the economic warfare, though many would
have liked to see a more kinetic war
and you can finishing the job or we're
or at least taking sharper actions.
You know, they did fire on on several
boats in during the week and you had
from Yemen, you had from others
which
against UAE shipping. The UAE has cut
off all of its trade. So beyond the
energy trade, the and income, the UAE
was a major source of hundreds of of
Iranians with businesses and trading and
stuff. All of that has stopped, the
trade between UAE and and Iran
has been has been stopped and curtailed.
The the
So the the events at the at the
in terms of the boycott, the United
States stranglehold does work. It it
does tell tell you that they have
control of of the Straits of Hormuz. The
threats against Oman coming from both
the West and from Iran
has [clears throat]
sort of neutralized their role. There
are
shipping lanes that have been developed
where United States protects and and
some ships go through not not stopping
in Iran, not picking up Iranian oil, but
transversing You see still have hundreds
of ships in the area that did not get
through during the short time that the
Straits were open and the Iranians also
limit
ships, especially if they have American
and Israeli ships related ships are are
banned and they will certainly
reactivate that. This causes now ladies,
this is an international waterway and as
we remember from the Straits of Tiran
story, those who are old enough to
remember what led to the
60 war and to other conflicts when when
Israel's lifeline was cut off from south
the the story is the same here that that
the
Iranian efforts to control shipping and
the idea that they would impose charges
and other things. So it's not just a
battle for now, it's also about the
conditions that will obtain afterwards.
>> And um
the the when Trump goes ahead and
declares the whole economic thing and as
you just said, you know, this
stranglehold on Iran actually could
work. Is he meeting
parenthetically, when Netanyahu comes
here next month, is he meeting with the
president? My point being, is this
sufficient for the prime minister? Like
is Netanyahu going to you know, consider
this very close to what Obama would have
done or will he say this is actually an
effective strategy?
>> Um
again, remember it's going to be a
little over a month before the election.
>> Right.
>> And people are going to want to see very
strong statements. The prime minister
will be here for time because between
you people and Sukkot
and
you know, he has and you have the
several fronts, the issues that um
uh
he has to consider because Gaza will
will obviously be playing up very big
and and will be a big issue between
United States and
and Israel and the international
community and the continuing beating up
of Israel on on everything. Um
and I think the the meeting in Egypt
that when the Jared Kushner went and met
with Hamas, people were critical of it.
Um
he said I think this was the second time
there had been such contact.
>> Right.
>> Uh
but you know, we have to see that the
the president hasn't you know, has
talked about endorsing a candidate in
the election in Israel.
>> Right.
>> I I I I I don't think he
I don't think we should
count on that. But a lot of things
happened that were important. For one,
you know, the one of the major sources
of information in the background
negotiations
uh
which people
you know, was it was not done publicly,
but those who who were involved in the
backdoor channel
through the regional government
was eliminated
and
I think the
um the question of uh what's happening
with the IRGC internally, there are
pressures to close it, there are
pressures
political pressures developing um
between between them. You see Iran's
warnings to Oman and the acts of
desperation. I think they you know, they
they are afraid by the way of an end to
the war in some regard because and
Rouhani actually said this the former
president because they they They
there'll be a civil war once the war's
over in Iran internally that the a lot
of the dissension and stuff will will
erupt again. Uh it's not clear whether
people after the events of last January
when when 50,000 were killed as you
know.
Um
and the the will will will will they be
willing to go into the streets cuz you
can be sure the IRGC will be there and
they'll be vicious. They're executing
people continuously yet you don't hear
anything about that, no condemnations,
no no uh concern being expressed.
>> Right.
>> And and the question is whether they
they shift the offensive in the coming
weeks. There's a lot to to be looked at
>> [clears throat]
>> um on those fronts. Do they continue to
try to activate the uh their proxies?
And then you have the parallel threat
which we've discussed here from years
trying to get people to understand that
Turkey is more aggressive um moves uh
also are very relevant.
>> Um yeah, I'm sure that'll be a topic if
he does meet with meeting of the Prime
Minister meets with Trump. Um but just
can we go back for a second to the with
the Straits of Hormuz and what you
confirmed, you know, after I asked you
about the uh uh reopening of some of the
channels, etc.
Many of the Israel critical people,
especially those that are, you know,
accusing Israel of causing this whole
conflict and bringing the United States
into it, they continue to cite the
shortage of energy that's imminent for
the United States. We've gone through
our backup supply, prices are going to
be double what they are now. If it's $4
a gallon, it'll be $8,000 a gallon,
etc., etc. Based on what you've how you
responded [clears throat]
to this, it doesn't look like any of
this is really going to affect the
supply of American oil of of oil that
American needs. Am I right about that or
not? Is it Is Is this completely
alarmist and false that there's actually
going to be a shortage down the road?
>> So, first of all, America is energy
independent. America's a net exporter of
of energy. So, America itself should
should not does not have to be affected.
It means we can't sell on the market
then the market goes up and companies
oil companies tend to then take
advantage of that circumstance when the
international prices is up and then they
can charge more, but the fact is that
the supply is there. It is true that our
strategic reserve is at the lowest point
in 40 years, I think. Uh
and
um
I think that the the um
the you know, and we can't look and see
Europe this winter going to into a a
winter with shortage of of gas and
people be freezing just like they're
suffering this summer from the extreme
heat. Uh and the and the needs for for
Ukraine, etc. and Russia, which has
sufficient oil for itself and is the
biggest net exporter in the world um not
being able to market its stuff is sure
certainly selling as much as it can on
black market.
Um but Europeans are dependent on on
Russian gas also and oil. So, you have a
lot of factors that will come into play
as they face a cold winter
and the So, for the United States, it's
a secondary thing, but but we a lot of
what we buy the products the byproducts
are made with
uh uh petroleum uh products from abroad
and in the manufacturing of plastics of
so many things that are are you know,
have components or are dependent upon
petroleum supplies. So, it does affect
things we buy. It does affect the global
market and the demand and you know, the
United States can't just uh gluttonously
continue to to consume
>> Yeah.
>> Nonetheless, COVID caused more of a uh
of a shortage than this war is causing.
I'm talking about in general with the
you know the types of supplies you just
referred to.
>> Well, with the with the resumption of
fracking and using our domestic um
uh resources and exploiting it, we have
plenty of energy for Americans and for
some of our allies.
>> Back to the primaries with a pay for a
moment. So, Likud is threatening legal
action over these subsidized flights.
So, what's the idea? The idea is that
some people in Israel want to pay
Israelis who live abroad to come back
and vote. Is that outrageous in your
opinion? Is this something that's
common? What is this all about?
>> So, it's they don't pay them as far as
we know. We know they paid for their
airplane tickets and they're encouraging
people to sponsor a flight for somebody
to come.
Uh
I think that it's for people living
abroad if they're not diplomats and
they're not serving in organizational or
official roles, there are a lot of
people believe that there shouldn't be
um
uh extended uh privileges. Although many
countries do provide uh voting booths at
official sites so that people their
citizens abroad can participate.
Uh the the um Israel does not allow
people who are in official roles. So,
they're saying we will pay for them to
come because most of those abroad would
be likely to vote center-center left. Um
and in the past that this is not the
first time it's been done. It's it it
has happened in past elections. Remember
this is the first time a government in I
don't know 40 years lasted the full 4
years.
>> That's right.
>> So, you know, we don't have that much
experience recently. But the the I have
I know people who are involved in
organizing some of these efforts. I've I
have a lot of questions about it. It's
certainly ideologically driven.
It's not a you know just a democracy
raising the flag of democracy to give
everybody a chance to vote.
Uh
>> [clears throat]
>> many people do and they used to for many
years fly back to vote, which is
perfectly legitimate thing to do if
you're a citizen. You come back, you're
there.
But the idea that you you uh
subsidize it and you know, you pay for
people to come has raised a lot of
opposition and all people feel that
it's, you know, it distorts democracy.
But it's uh you know, there are a lot of
Israelis abroad. And so that there are
flights that are being organized. There
are
And again, they were this was done
before, but in truth, the numbers were
very small. The impact was very minimal.
>> We might be able to fact-check this
somehow.
But if I would have asked you on October
8th of uh 2023 if uh
this government would have remained for
the full 4-year term, what would you
have said?
>> No chance.
>> You have funny
>> But but I I would have said that in '22.
It would have I mean, when they got
elected, there was no chance, you know,
cuz they didn't It hasn't happened. And
and you saw Netanyahu governed
uh the governments he ran were also
short-lived. In fact, that they
sustained
uh
>> [clears throat]
>> against all the predictions,
uh
I don't understand enough of Israeli
politics to ever be able to predict
anything.
>> I wonder if it's because
>> say.
>> But I wonder if it's because of the war
or or coincidentally, has nothing to do
with the war and that just this
government just because of the numbers
because of you know, the precariousness
of the uh situation, it just survived.
Do you think it's all war-related?
>> It it I think it is related to the war.
It's always a factor and you say, you
know, you don't want to divide the
country during the war. But I think that
there are other factors. Number one, the
weakness of the opposition. You don't
have a strong leader. You don't have
somebody who really rallies and can show
that they can win, you know, 61 seats
yet.
Uh they come close, but they haven't,
but it would have to be in coalitions,
and a lot of people leave those
coalitions won't really hold and that
there'll be a lot of shifting of um
of people, but you know, once the
election even before the election.
And we've seen, you know, people
starting these new parties. You have a
whole slew of of small parties being
created. Whether it's just a position
the leaders because they weren't going
to get in in winnable positions, let's
say on the Likud list. Uh because the
Likud primary this past week, they have
140,000 members, and only half turned
out. And of the 25 slots,
eight uh were pre-position were given to
Netanyahu
uh
to to populate. So, you were they were
really voting over 17
>> [clears throat]
>> slots all together, and then of course
you have national elections parallel
that which are independent of this.
Uh and they they elect on members of
Knesset on the national scale. So, you
have um
a very uncertain and and shaky political
bases across the board. And And with the
um
>> [clears throat]
>> movements that are taking place, and as
the you get closer, it will become much
more heated
amongst those opposing Netanyahu and as
well as within the Likud where those who
didn't get winnable positions, including
some well-known names.
>> But the other stat
well-known names who are accused of
being aligned with the Brady uh
community or others?
>> No, others who who just didn't make the
cut.
>> Um the this the other statistic that
everyone keeps talking about from the
primaries with the pay
is um last time was 58%
and this time only 53%. It Do you think
there's a lack of enthusiasm for the
Likud party compared to the way it was 4
years ago?
>> Absolutely. And I think for Netanyahu
personally,
and that there comes a point, you know,
after all the years even supporters, you
know, feel that that sometimes change in
democracy is healthy, but nobody there
is no leader that compares to him, I
think, now
that has arisen. So, people can't
There's nobody around whom they can
rally.
If you had some strong personality, you
would see greater dissent.
But But on the other hand, there are
people who still have great confidence
in Netanyahu and see him
as the leader. And I think some of his
actions in the last days can be
interpreted in that light.
>> Right.
>> Uh that he has to project a certain
image and the the protection of the
people right now, I think, the question
of building their confidence in who can
who can assure that their their security
will be maintained. October 7th still is
a cloud over everybody and deep scars.
>> Uh August 21st, I will tell you who the
dark horse is. Lieberman. Today it's
Lieberman. Today he would get more votes
than people expect. I don't know if you
agree with that, but that's my
impression.
>> If you would have asked me who is a
pivotal figure today, I would have said
Lieberman.
And not because he's going to increase
his vote so much. Uh I don't think
that's the issue. The issue is that he
um
could be pivotal in getting to 61 votes.
And that he's a very shrewd operator.
And um
maybe with Eisenkot, they can work out a
you know, rotation. They can work out
something. But I think right now he is a
pivotal figure.
>> Yeah, someone made an interesting
comment to me this week that um
we know, obviously, national security
was always the number one issue and
continues to be. But now, domestic
issues are seeping back into the Israeli
electoral scene.
Which makes sense because it's it's been
getting very little attention, so to
speak, you know, for the last couple of
years. Uh and if that's the case, then
obviously Not obviously, but if that's
the case, many people think that
Lieberman will deal with those
situations better than Netanyahu, so
see what happens.
>> Yeah, but it's very divisive issues
right now, and that's the greatest
danger is when Israel is divided
internally,
uh,
Haredi issues, other issues that are
coming to the fore, and you need
somebody who can be a unifier. So,
Eisenkot and others are presenting
themselves as those who can build the
coalition. Gilad Erdan, others who are
newer to see are saying that they can
bring together different factions.
I'm [clears throat] worried about, you
know, the impact of this both
post-election as well as now.
Uh,
>> [clears throat]
>> and I think calls for unity that we've
heard, uh, are not resonating that well
because of the, you know, the deep
resentments that have been, uh, created.
I think the media has to play a more
responsible role than they do. They
generally haven't in Israel, but
I think now under these circumstances,
they really have to.
>> Hopefully, they will. Thank you so much
for all your time. Have a wonderful
Sabbath. We'll speak, please God, next
week.
>> God willing, have a great Sabbath, and
we have to talk about what's happened
with what happened with Turkey this
week, and we have to talk about the
implications still of the the spreading
influence of the Pakistani, Saudi,
Turkey deal.
Uh, so, we have a lot to talk about next
week.
>> Well, we have something even more
important to talk about.
You have your first Sabra in the family.
>> Oh, that is the biggest simcha, and, uh,
the first Sabra great-grandchild for us,
grandchild and child born to our our
children, grandchildren,
great-grandchildren
who live in, uh, Ramat Beit Shemesh.
He's attorney Mayor Stein, those who
know the Steins who live here in
Brooklyn, but he's the first that made
aliyah, and, uh, she gave birth this
week to, uh, to a baby girl. She's their
third child, and it's, uh, a true simcha
and a milestone in history of our
family. It's something that previous
generations wanted and tried to do
during the war and before the war. In
fact, my my parents were you know, both
in Hashara and had the singular goal of
getting to to then Palestine and of
course Hitler had other plans in mind.
So the this is
a huge simcha for us and
something to celebrate.
>> Wow, amazing. Mazel tov. Pretty
incredible. Have a wonderful Shabbos.
Malcolm Hoenlein
Conference of Presidents of Major
American Jewish Organizations Friday
7:40 a.m. Eastern Time for the weekly
update here at JMN.