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Weekly Update: Nachum Segal and Malcolm Hoenlein Discuss the Latest News
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Nachum Segal welcomed Malcolm Hoenlein of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations to this morning's JM in the AM for the Weekly Update. They discussed the latest news concerning Israel and the Jewish community around the world.
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Malcolm Hoenlein is with us, Conference
of Presidents of Major American Jewish
Organizations. We call this the weekly
update. Mr. Hoenlein, welcome back to J
M in the AM.
>> Always good to be with you.
Getting ready for Shabbos.
>> Let's start with Hey, Shabbos is in
almost 13 hours. Calm down. Let's start
with the positive. We always want to
start with the positive, Mr. Hoenlein.
Thank God it looked like a lot of people
came out on a really beautiful weather
day this past Sunday in New York City
despite all the concerns regarding
security, despite all the people who
said they're going to avoid the area as
opposed to coming in celebrating Israel
because of the
enhanced security. With all of that, it
looked like we had a really nice crowd
there on Fifth Avenue and I'm sure you
regard that as a great piece of positive
news to start our conversation.
>> It was very important, probably as
important a time as ever to show the
solidarity with Israel. I think we can
thank the mayor for his inspiring words
to to get people to come out to
understand how important it was to
demonstrate solidarity with Israel. The
fact that you had a Knesset delegation
of 13, which I think they said was the
largest, plus the speaker of the Knesset
and many other officials
who came. The
the number of elected officials who
came,
I think the
presence of two former mayors, a
Republican and a Democrat, also
highlighted the absence.
I think it's a mistake to have talked
about it because people all the media
reports kept focusing on the fact of of
the person who wasn't there rather than
the multitudes who did come out and
maybe in record numbers, but certainly
in way more than than than any recent
year that I can recall.
And we have to sustain it though. It
can't be just a once-a-year reaction
where people are prepared to to speak
out and to demonstrate and with their
feet and with their dollars and with
their involvement and and with the
elections coming up this year,
you know, we had some outcomes that were
very disturbing and and we can't be
obscured. We have to continue to fight
in November and in meantime, everybody
register, every community, every school
should be registering their voters.
We've shown how a few votes can make a
huge difference in races around the
country and here, too.
>> And right now in New York, if the
election was held today based on the
polls,
the three, you know, serious
progressives running would would win
easily. So,
>> I would I do not call them progressives.
I think it's the wrong term. Being
progressive shouldn't be bad. Progress
is good. I think we ought to describe
them in other terms that really portray
them as retrogressives.
>> Radicals? Would radicals work?
>> And extremists and radicals and
yes, that that at least voters
understand that we're talking about
people who who espouse views
whether they they could be attached to
the Shah Rahman, the the blind Sheikh to
to
care to other entities.
It's and it's all blatant. It's not, you
know, deep research that you have to do.
It's available.
>> And by the way,
in in in your reaction to the parade
opening, and this is really the reason I
brought it up, not just to thank
everyone for being there Sunday.
And if people have to realize this, and
Malcolm, I would love for you to just
expand on this a drop.
We're so spoiled in this country and
especially in this area. We're so
spoiled by the general
um
the general camaraderie that our
community has with elected officials.
Certainly spoiled compared to, you know,
other generations and other times and
other places. But But forget that for a
moment. I just think I just think it's
important to remember that some of these
public officials are really going out on
a limb in the 2026 atmosphere
to march in an Israel parade. And again,
even though,
you know, the people that generally
marched on Sunday, the elected
officials, have been friendly and have
been, you know, have worked with the
community, etc. I I I'm not going to
mention any names, but I could mention
at least three, four names of people
who, if they made a decision not to
march, I get it. Meaning, again, they're
watch if they're watching their back in
the current political atmosphere. And I
think it's a really important point to
point out.
>> Uh well, I think you're right that but
it should not have to be an act of
courage or moral courage to be able to
stand up and stand with Israel. They
know
And you know, then everybody's saying,
"Well, there's only about Netanyahu."
No, it isn't. You're not coming here to
endorse a candidate or a particular
policy.
It's clear what the challenges are
today. Everybody knows it. And then
anybody who wasn't there has to be held
to account
for the failure to to show up both in
terms of marches and terms of public
officials. And then for the public
officials, look at the at the sidelines.
They know what the media coverage will
be. And therefore, knowing not coming
will will will should subject them to
some penalties and and can reflect that
in the in the polls. But you know, we
saw the elections and the failure of to
mobilize against Hamas way of against
other people who have such blatant
hostile associations and whose views are
so terrible and and talk about cutting
aid and and in showing up at the parade
despite the fact that they espouse views
that endanger Israel's security. It's,
you know, Well, have to be very
disciplined and and not just look at the
superficial reactions, but look at what
they really say. You know, I'm really
pro-Israel. I'm I'm a progressive
Zionist, leftist, extremist,
off-the-cliff. No. If you're going to If
you're going to espouse the views that
endanger and say, "I'm not committing to
vote for any arms for Israel in the
future."
then you're not you're not a friend of
the community and you're certainly not a
friend of Israel.
>> I agree with you, but those who are on
the fence, who have not done anything
radical against Israeli policy or
against
you know, what we would call a
pro-Israel position, who then go ahead
and march in the parade, I think it
would be a good idea for their
constituents to thank them. I think it
would be a good idea not to take it for
granted and to let them know that in
this atmosphere especially, we're glad
you showed up.
>> Absolutely, it should we should
acknowledge them. I think
thanking them is a step, but
acknowledging it and showing
appreciation is always a good thing. The
Knesset
are they're human beings. You know, they
get beaten up all the time. So, when
they get positive reaction, it should be
it's reinforcing and absolutely we
should show that we appreciate those who
who stand up for us.
But, know know the records. Know what
people really are standing for cuz
people approach me about some of the
elected candidates and it's clear that
they've never even done a simple Google
search to see that their views on issues
of real concern to our community are
often not good.
>> Right, understood. Um
And by the way, you know who the most
recent champion of cutting Israeli aid
is?
You know who the most recent champion of
cutting US financial aid to Israel is,
Malcolm?
>> Yeah, Netanyahu.
>> Correct.
And so, number one, as we've seen so
many times, like you always say, you
know, the um
you know,
somebody will be complaining
in Washington about, you know, a certain
policy and they'll say but look half
your community agrees with me you know
on whatever issue that might be. Now all
these people that want to cut aid to
Israel all they have to do is point to
the prime minister.
>> Well, so this is a a program and we've
talked about it on the show over the
years that there have been many
proposals that Israel has always wanted
to become more independent. They they
dropped the economic aid
many years ago already and they
>> How long ago do you think that was by
the way? Seriously, I don't know. How
long ago do you think that was around?
>> Um
>> Five years or Oh, is this 10 years or
>> It was supposed to be between five and
10 years. Well, don't forget it was
phased out. It wasn't just an immediate
cut off. It was phased out but it was
discussed in the Obama years and and
before that and and it was Israel's
initiative and I can tell you from
Malcolm Hoenlein archives that I once
went to Israel at the request of
Secretary Shultz. He was then Secretary
of State to find out why Israel wouldn't
accept the $7 billion in debt
forgiveness at the time of the Iraq war
that we gave to Egypt, we gave to many
other countries. All of them immediately
accepted it and Israel rejected it and
it was cost-free, wasn't any strings
attached to it. It was just an
acknowledgement of of the imposition of
the cost of the war
and you remember the scuds on Israel
etc.
And and I went to see Prime Minister
Shamir. In fact, I went over a week and
I met him Shabbat afternoon. I walked to
his house.
We spoke for almost two hours and he
absolutely said no because he was
convinced by the the Ministry of
Treasury that
you know would send a message that
Israel doesn't pay its debt. I said it's
not You're not reneging on a debt. It's
being forgiven. It's being given
forgiven for other countries, too. He
said no, it'll hurt our credit ratings.
I said how does losing $7 billion in
debt hurt your credit ratings? I said
I'm not an economist and I may may may
be some up here I don't understand but
you would make you free because all of
that foreign aid we were getting then
was just going to service the debt to
the United States. It was just paying
the interest every year
on $7 billion in debt.
But that he refused and he adamantly
would not give in and eventually Israel
did pay it off and Israel
stopped at the economic aid. So all the
aid was military related.
>> story and this story has to be late
'80s.
If Schultz, right? It has to be late
'80s.
And and then and then the gradual
the gradual dependent the gradual
independence from financial aid starts
around 2010, 2015 in that area?
>> When they finally are able to do it as
Israel's economy grew stronger and they
they
paid off the
the debt,
but remembering that the aid that Israel
got in the interim was paying the
interest on that debt.
And now the the aid program that they're
talking about it is being negotiated
right now. There are teams
led by Yechiel Leiter and the director
of the general of the Ministry of
Defense on one side and Mike Herzog
ambassador to to Israel to Israel the US
and and military people
have been meeting already to talk about
the implementation
of something that the Prime Minister has
spoken about many times
and at a time when Israel's economy is
being hit by the strong shekel impacting
exports and other things the cost of the
war. It's particularly remarkable and I
think will be questioned by many people
about the timing, but I don't believe
it'll be a one-day decision. I think
it's something that will be implemented
over time and that it be replaced by a
strengthening of the US Israel strategic
alliance
and that we saw during the war how much
when the United States and Israel can
work together, but it would also go to
development of the joint weapons and
implementation construction
of new system and
the prime minister as you said it's been
a primary
>> Wow.
>> proponent there are people who question
it and who are not sure that
you know Israel's ready for it but I
think it's it's something that will
carry its implementation will carry into
the 2030s.
>> I
wow.
What are we Oh yeah, that makes sense.
We're already in 2026. Good point.
You know you know we have so much
currently to talk about but you're
fascinating me with this conversation.
Do you ever think about if it was a
different prime minister that Shabbat
afternoon? Let's say Rabin was sitting
there and I'm not being facetious. I'm
being serious.
Do you think he would have had a
different attitude toward all this than
Shamir did?
>> It's very possible. I think that
you know Shamir was very adamant and I
was very close to him and we talked very
frankly over all the years that he was
in office as I did with most of the
prime ministers including Rabin. But I I
know when it was Modai who had told him
this and he was the minister of finance
and
and and Shamir never pretended to know
what he didn't know and accepted this
you know the the recommendation that was
put forward to him. I could say the
discussion got pretty heated.
>> Yeah.
>> And
and and I had to go back and tell the
secretary that it was but but I will
tell you there were other occasions
where
I brought the message and and on a
critical issue and
instantly the prime prime minister
Shamir implemented it because he saw
what what the significance was. So it's
it's not a criticism of him. It's he was
a stalwart consistent his views were
predictable.
>> Oh.
>> He wasn't a PR guy but
>> I agree with that part.
>> more to him than
>> But consistent? The only The only
encounter we had with him when he was
Prime Minister here at JM in the AM was
terrible because I
Maybe Maybe I was younger and I felt I
should I I could get away with this, but
I I I I expressed my anger that he went
to Madrid in '88. And if you don't think
that that's inconsistent with his
general policy, Malcolm, wouldn't you
agree with me that that was inconsistent
with with with the with, you know, the
Shamir doctrine?
>> It It was inconsistent with the pattern
and with the with the views, and he is
he did discuss it and I wrote about it.
Uh but right now we have a different
circumstance, the relationships are
different. I think the stakes
are higher in some respects, and but we
forget about how difficult those periods
were, and the lineup and think that what
we're in is completely new. It's not.
But it There are many changes. AI has
changed things. The The whole internet,
the way the the ganging up, the foreign
interference, the the domestic bringing
the war to our domestic situation to to
to the battle within the borders of the
United States.
>> Israeli officials speaking to the media,
which they didn't do 30 years ago.
>> And increasingly, and you have a Prime
Minister who's very oriented towards
that.
>> Yeah.
>> And
and is a communicator.
But
I I think that there are, you know, we
have such an array of challenges that
have been obscured or
obviated. People don't don't really know
how much is changing in within the
region, how much could change. As much
as, you know, the army has been
effective, we see the introduction of
the new drones with fiber optics, which
means that Israel can't be jammed them
and can't trace them. And And the the
the the daily toll that every single
day, virtually,
a heroic figure falls in Israel. Young
people who the most beautiful
people and the
so the challenges change they morph in
time.
>> Yeah.
>> But the stakes so do the stakes.
>> And that's why this week when the
president of the United States tried to
really pressure the prime minister for a
ceasefire
with Lebanon with Hezbollah call
whatever you want up north. I thought he
would use the opportunity in the time
now in this case because of what you
just described and how things were
really escalating in that arena the
whole drone thing and the injuries and
the and the and the the tragic deaths of
Israeli soldiers. I I thought he would
take the opportunity to to back off a
bit. Um
tell me did he or did he not the the the
reports are that Trump was really angry
with the prime minister and he refused
to back down. What's the what's the real
story?
Well, I wasn't there but the story as
best I can reconstruct it the
conversation did take place. The
president did use the colorful language
that he is sometimes
reported to use and in this case he
acknowledged it. He said and he was
asked specifically if that exchange took
place
and and what I I I've said on in other
interviews and things is that you have
to think about what are the
implications. You know, it's it's one
thing for the two of them in a private
conversation and they pretty frank and
he keeps you know always adding that he
BB works together with BB. He
appreciates the cooperation with Israel
etc. And points to his record.
But you know, we have to think how do
the countries in the region view this?
If they think that there's that there's
this kind of cleavages between the
United States and Israel and and
hostility that will change how they
approach it. The willingness to make the
sacrifice that the moves to to counter
the terrorist entities, especially
Hezbollah, to demand their their disarm.
They're rejecting basic requirements.
Not Israel's rejecting it. They are
attacking all the time. And when you see
the numbers, I mean, NPR says 3,500
people killed, but they never say that
the majority were terrorists. And that
there are people killed because the
terrorists hide behind the population.
And that Israel was going to strike only
targets where they're attacking Beirut
as much as Southern Beirut where they
the
planning goes takes place. And because
they know Hezbollah knows that they're
safer there because that Israel won't
hit those civilian population. And if
the president says you can't go there,
then they're all going to go there to
operate. They will continue to feel that
they can do so with impunity. And and we
it's not just
uh you know, the specific words or the
exchange of that, but you always have to
think of what are the ramifications in
the larger region. Will this will they
take it as a license that you know, if
they hang out and they drag this out
long enough that they will get further
concessions and that the US-Israel
relationship will get worse. And
and and how much coverage does it get
that Kuwait, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar
have come under constant But it's US
bases that they're targeting. Constant
bombardments. Oh oh almost every night.
We don't even read anymore so much about
the the rocket attacks by from Iran
against
against them.
>> But but but now you're expecting the
president of the United States to be
diplomatic like all of a sudden now he's
going to start thinking about the
ramifications of the situation in the
Middle East if he goes ahead and
pressures BB and and and demonstrate
some type of rift between the United
States and Israel. I mean, come on. I
mean, I'm just you know,
>> don't know what the president's real
intention is. He mean, he's demonstrated
in the past that his you know, that he
takes into account that he really cares
about the security of Israel and has
acted upon it.
Um
I think the the
you know, he he he is used to giving as
he does domestically. You know, he sets
orders down and
I think
in this case we have it's a very
complicated formula because you have so
many fronts and the possibility of
opening up again the war with Iran. It's
not Israel that's demanding it. I think
for all of those who been promoting this
false notion this conspiracy theory that
Israel drove this war and Israel
Netanyahu controls this should really
put it
that lie to to rest. They can see that
Israel's not dictating
as they have in the past either. They
had influence because they're a key
partner in it, but this is clearly not
the direction that I think Israel would
have chosen
just in in the abstract
and it's the relationship continues and
especially with CENTCOM and it's CENTCOM
that's demanding two more weeks of
action because when we look at the
objectives that were originally set out
and we don't have to go into detail, but
on the nuclear program it's not just
taking out the quote dust.
First of all, there's a lot more that is
not enriched up to that level into the
military level 60% plus you have 3% 5%
enriched uranium that has to go, but
more importantly you have to take out
the enrichment facilities. You have to
have a structure for really strict
international monitors who are not being
given access. You have to address the
ballistic missile system and not just
the missiles they have about 70% remain
intact and you have to get accredited
about how the Iranians built them
underground, built special
bulldozers that have cleared the way
that they can be reused and and firing
them that the the facilities for
construction of these things should be
taken out and then you have to get to
the all the domestic issues the
executions etc. etc. But there are three
the main areas on the security front
where the missile programs, the the
nuclear program. They have all these
terrible little fast ships that that,
you know, skirt around and and
and threaten ships and closing of the
Strait of Hormuz. All of these are are
acts of war that cannot be tolerated.
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So, it's possible that the president of
the United States continues to negotiate
and to encourage some type of ceasefire
and agree more importantly an agreement
with Iran. At the same time, CENTCOM is
saying to him, "You got to delay things,
Mr. President. We need another week or
two to at least meet a you know a
certain objective that must be met."
That's what you're selling us?
>> No,
well, I'm saying that it everything they
need two weeks of open warfare up to
take out other facilities that we we did
not bomb the infrastructure. But, we
that that they retain. They are very
resilient. Remember, this is a country
of almost 100 million people. It's and
they are
intelligent, resilient. They've
demonstrated it. Their leadership
has been destroyed one layer after
another and yet they continue to to
function whether in disarray or not is
not clear. We don't even know if the new
grand ayatollah is is alive or not.
And and
I I think that, you know, there's so
many questions that we have about the
realignments that will take place in the
region, but most of all, the message
that if if Iran can emerge from this as
the clear victory, whatever way they
want, but that they hold a parade the
next day and they bring out missiles and
they bring out other things and if
there's not the the the follow-up that
addresses their capacity to to enrich,
their capacity to and the knowledge you
can't take away, but at least you can
take away the facilities that they have
and hopefully the regime change will
ultimately come and now there are
reports that the CIA was arming or not
arming the the Kurds or others,
you know, to to enable them to have some
sort of a capacity domestically when you
have the Basij 600,000 with rifles given
out in January. You saw the the terrible
toll and people aren't dissuaded because
the in Iran when they see that because
they see the West can't deliver and that
they don't have the capacity, the
weapons to stay to stand up against the
the overwhelming forces of the IRGC, the
Basij, the secret services, etc.
And no matter who we take out, it seems
that they you know, they just keep
plugging every hole with somebody else.
It they're less capable, they're less
experienced, but nonetheless
the fact that they could close the
Straits of Hormuz is just outrageous
that they could challenge the West in
this way and cost hundreds of billions
of dollars
with all those ships sitting out there
rising the price of oil, etc.
We should have been able to break this
right away.
>> Yeah, and then at this point if there is
some type of agreement then if they're
reopened freely, a lot of people say
it's too little, too late. That you
know, the way ship and I don't know
anything about this, but they claim that
the way shipping works, we're going to
be so many months behind that it's not
going to help in the attempt to get
prices down and to get
and to get
oil reserves filled refilled, etc. etc.
So it may just be
at this point, you know, that
excuse the pun, but that ship has
sailed.
>> I'm not excusing it, but
the ship hasn't sailed.
We still can do a lot.
But,
and and it'll take Iran a long time to
overcome this, but they're not looking
about rebuilding their economy now.
They're not looking at the the the
plight of the people with water drought
with everything that the unemployment
rate amongst young people 50% that the
economy in total ruins because the elite
who control 40% of the economy, the IRGC
leadership, the the government leaders,
they have they'll function, they'll
they'll do well and and there is a brain
drain. Young many young people leaving
the country um over time. But, the
message to the region is is what's of
concern and what will Turkey do after
this? You know, they're trying to build
the counterpart on on uh to the Shiite
ring of fire, they're trying to build
their own. And
there were reports of the of the shift
in terms of the US special envoy and
then it turns out it doesn't appear that
uh
that he's leaving
uh and many in the region are concerned
about his advocacy on of Turkey
where where he is the ambassador also as
well as special envoy to Syria. Syria is
in a very delicate state. You know,
Shahara comes here and he's looking for
money and he's looking for support, but
you don't know the situation and how
much the process of Islamization is
continuing now under his leadership in
Damascus and on the big cities as well
as in Idlib from which he came where you
see how far the education of women was
impacted, all of the the things that
Islamists impose
are being implemented.
>> All right, uh
uh sadly I've got to go to another story
from this week.
And Malcolm, I I wish there was somebody
or I don't know, maybe a group of people
who could go to the Torah giants of
Israel and express outrage and tell them
that they must intervene in this
situation. What did you think of the
riots that vandalized the home of
Supreme Court Justice Noam Solberg? What
did you think of the light rail being
stopped, uh traffic being stopped and in
some cases violent and vandal type
activities taking place in Israel. I
don't know if you agree with me or not,
but I mean
it's one thing when you see it from
people who don't stand for much when it
comes to immorality, but you know, when
you talk about a religious group of
people or those who represent, you know,
our uh religious community. Again, I
think the leadership and even the ones
that say they can't control it have no
choice but to step in and try to control
it.
>> I I assume you're going to say yes, but
uh I think, you know,
the tensions that are increasing and
remember, the number of people who are
involved in these activities is still
very limited compared to the
to the overall population and the fact
that most Russian Shiva others do not
let their people their students go to
these events or I do agree that there
should be greater control over it and
and and and intervention to what was
done at the Supreme Court and and a
religious Supreme Court
leader uh
is is in uh uh certainly intolerable in
a democracy. You can be critical, you
can disagree, you can
take it, but you don't do what they did
outside the home and doing damage and
threatening and
and the way that
was manifested in those demonstrations.
I understand the the depth of feeling on
this. I believe maybe still can come to
resolutions on it, but everybody has to
share in the responsibilities when you
want to take the benefits of the state.
I that argument
resonates with with
many Israelis. You see that that more
people from the Haredi side are are
signing up, even though it's not yet in
massive numbers, but I think that a
process has to be developed. There has
to be accountability.
And there are other ways of service. I
mean, look at all the guys who
whether they do it through Hatzalah or
or Misaskim or the equivalent, there's
ZAKA.
It's amazing.
And and we should find a way of of
rationalizing it and and putting people
not to put them in circumstances where
they feel that they can be fully
fulfilling their religious
obligations as they would, but that
you'll find alternatives. And the army
has to show that it can create
circumstances for that. And the and the
truth is there are programs.
I know I'm involved with some where they
take people from managed to work in
security agencies and others.
And for the first 50 slots, there were
there were 1,500 applications.
And the and it's men and women. And they
and it's happening all over in many
sectors. That doesn't get reported and
doesn't get any kind of notice.
>> I don't know if you saw, but a
a modestly
dressed
female Israeli soldier was attacked
during one of these riots this week. The
police actually had to surround her to
walk her out of the area to bring her to
safety. So, I mean,
it's just it's gone I know that it's
went way too far long ago, but it's just
getting way too far already.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh what do you think by the way that
Iran decided to attack Kuwait and I
don't know a couple of months ago if
they were in the mood to retaliate
against anything that had to do with the
US, they probably would have attacked
Israel.
>> It is almost inexplicable, except that
you know, they're trying to break the
connection with these countries. I think
it in fact is having a reverse impact.
Uh
I think Kuwait
>> Yeah, Kuwait is really angry.
>> Well, not only angry, but they're going
to have to reevaluate their position. As
I said, I think we could see some real
major shifts coming out after this. I
think we should stop focusing on Saudi
Arabia. We should focus on India,
connecting with UAE, connecting with
other countries, of course Bahrain and
and Israel, and creating new linkages.
Well, their proposal for the IMEC, and
if people don't know it, look it up.
IMEC, but the train linkages and and the
ties that can be created, you'll see how
many other countries will will want to
be part of it. A country like Kuwait has
to look for allies, and and we have to
make sure that we fill the void with
these countries. Even the Qatar, you
know, got hit and has to be thinking
about it. I think that a lot of the
regional alliances will collapse after
the war. UAE will certainly pull out. Uh
we have other allies to tie into, the
Greece, uh Cyprus, the Azerbaijan, and
Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, a bridge. There
are a lot of countries that could be
tied into new alliances in the region.
And uh and going all the way to Morocco,
more countries will fall in line if they
know they're not going to be isolated
and have to stand alone against the
forces of of Iran and its proxies. Uh
that's why it's imperative that
Hezbollah is defeated and Hamas is
defeated. That's why Arab leaders have
always called for
eradication of these groups so that they
again, like can come out of this war and
hold parades and and demonstrate
that they're not going to disarm, and
they're going to violate the president
Trump has called for their disarmament
and and as a condition.
Uh and they are resisting it. They and
the government of Lebanon seems
incapable of
of implementing it and alone certainly
can't but with Israel but with the
United States with others perhaps they
could and that would be a really major
achievement.
You know, rooting them out Israel is
moving the line beyond the Litani
because they're finding and look how
little coverage it gets 10 mile long 10
10 kilometer long tunnels. Not in in
Gaza in in along the border near the
border of Israel. How they get all of
this undetected still is a mystery to
many. But the infrastructure that they
have there with the with the weapons and
and the you know, sophistication of all
of these underground systems in in
Lebanon south. We knew that they had
rocket rooms in people's homes, you
know, in their living room, dining room
and a rocket room where they placed
rockets and did it in civilian homes
because they knew Israel would be
reluctant to hit them. And but here is
the underground infrastructure is is
astounding.
And the the you know, the the money that
should have gone to benefit people all
went into that and then you get the
false numbers every day, you know,
reporting on the on the casualties when
there's no distinction between civilian
and and terrorists because they
integrate into the population and they
want to raise the death toll.
So, it's it's you know, it's such a
complex situation.
And that's in Lebanon where I do believe
Israel and Lebanon could live in peace.
They did in the past. They they they a
lot of the population certainly wants
it. They don't want to be have this
Hezbollah terror. They're paying the
price. Everybody pays the price
for it and in Gaza the situation is
different.
>> Finally, clear up this confusion for me
in the Knesset this week. There was a
vote to dissolve the government or not?
What was that?
>> It's a preliminary
vote that doesn't dissolve the
government yet, you know, every bill
needs three readings and they have to
decide what when they really want to go
to elections. You know, there's always
the question of summer vacations and the
Hagim and what people are away and
people will be there and the timing but
it has to take place in the fall so it's
it's a question um, now when the Knesset
goes out of session. So if they don't do
it now then they'll they'll have to call
the election after that which means
it'll move into November, December. But
it has to be the fall because the term
of this government is up.
>> But I thought we have an election date
date already, no?
What was it? October?
>> I think it was October election dates.
>> October something like that. That would
move under this
>> You but you need to get 3 months notice
to hold an election. That's the law.
>> Got it.
>> And so if you don't call the election
till after
the recess and they can always be called
back for emergency session but that's
why a lot of people are pressing now for
to to have the vote now.
>> All right. So the the the election
basically is going to be in either
October or November.
Essentially.
>> Probably.
>> Wow.
I'll tell you. We could use a change at
the top. I don't know if you agree with
me. We could use a change at the top.
I've been saying
>> It depends how far up you're going but
>> I've been saying this since October 7th.
On October 8th I said we need to change
at the top.
>> Olympics or elections are Israel's
Olympics and the you know, the um,
it'll be very contested as as you know,
because you have new players coming in
new parties.
>> Right.
>> There will be a lot of shakeout in this
and as you said even within Likud for
instance, there are people who want
Netanyahu to continue. There are those
who don't that you know, the polls vary
consistently
in an inconsistent fashion
which is typical of of Israeli politics.
So I wouldn't bet on anything right now.
I wouldn't I wouldn't go to those like
sites, you know, where people predict
what what it is because no matter what
what you think
they will come out differently.
>> Yeah, that's probably true. Have a
wonderful Shabbos. Thanks for joining
us. We'll speak again next week.
>> Yeah, have a good Shabbos and everybody
should be well.
>> Malcolm Hoenlein with us. Weekly update
here at JMN. Today was an interesting
weekly update.
Started with a whole history lesson.
And then drifted into current events.
Uh so much going on. It's unbelievable.
JMN, thanks for joining us on this
Friday morning broadcast. It is the 5th
of June, this 20th day in the month of
Sivan.