Weekly Update: Nachum Segal and Malcolm Hoenlein Discuss the Latest News

Malcolm Homeline is with us live via telephone. We call this a weekly update conference of presidents of major American Jewish organizations. Mr. Homeline, a pleasure to welcome you back to JM in the AM. >> Thank you. It's good to be with you and this is really eventful hours, minutes, days. It's incredible how much is going on. >> It's pretty remarkable. Last Friday we spoke and obviously no one knew for sure exactly what was going to happen. And then I would think the majority of American jury found out shabas morning one way or the other. Wink wink. Um about the news and what had happened and sure enough the war started with a uh with a real bang to say the least. What can you tell us about that part of it first about this unbelievable effort that resulted in the uh assassination of tens of leaders in Iran including of course Kamei himself. Well, we'll find out in due time whether this was an arranged meeting again like some of the meetings were in during the um previous conflicts and the ability to pinpoint people if you remember although today it's alreadyclipsed the uh amazing pager and other uh um events that took place in past conflicts that were remarkable. Uh obviously the intelligence was amazing both by the CIA and by Israel Mossad and others. The uh fact that in the first hour or so you eliminated I mean and many of the top leaders I think they're down to the third or fourth level of leaders in in many of the successive succession patterns that have been created. the uh preciseness of the uh attacks. I mean, you think about 200 Israeli planes were in the air because a little country had 200 planes in the air and America had more than 200 planes in the air and yet they coordinated. they they were flying often in Thran or in similar areas that it was all worked out so that there was not one incident there wasn't one plane knocked down not you have to think about it just in the law of averages it's incredible uh and unfortunately the friendly fire from uh in Kuwait that that took down the um several American planes but the pilots were all uh saved so the with the minimal number of of uh deaths of Israeli and American service people. Uh a few deaths on the ground in Israel. It's tragic no matter how many. Um it's it's really an astonishing thing. And as one expert told me, he said there will be a thousand books written on this uh on the campaign so far and on all the things that took place. How how the deception up to the day of the of the event. I honestly got advanced notice, not because purposely, but I have a friend who's in a running group that runs three mornings a week, including Saturday mornings in Israel at uh at 5:00 a.m. And one of the members is a pilot and he sent out before uh Shabas in Israel. >> He won't be in the running group saying >> that's hilarious. saying, "I don't think we should run to I I don't think it's a good idea for us to have running tomorrow morning." And the person just told it to me nonchalantly. He said, "Look at this strange thing." This but I said, "Bingo. That's it. That's the strongest message with all the things that leaders told me and everybody, you know, had predictions and timing and uh that to me was the dead giveaway." >> Yeah. So, you were one of those people that had information shot this morning. Uh let's start with this order of succession. I mean, you know, we we talk about the potential for regime change and we know what the president's goal is in in terms of that. He wishes it happened as easily as Venezuela's did. But I mean once you eliminate 30 or 40 it seems like there's plenty uh of people that you know immediately replace those who've been uh you know who've already been killed. And I'm wondering just you know how deep does the bench go? How how large is this order of succession? and will regime change be that much harder because there's plenty of hardliners still available. So there's multiple questions and and answers basically yes they there are uh they they too prepared levels of succession there they uh you know the Ayatollah had named his son and we have discussed this that that this was not a surprise that he named his son as successor but the um uh the toll is Great. First of all, you're not replacing people with the same level of experience when you eliminate leaders. Second, there's no more coordination. So, people attribute some of this to the to the firing for instance into Azerbashan yesterday. It could have been that just the leader in the Azeri section, the area adjacent to Azer Bashan, decided that if they're attacking everywhere else, they were going to shoot into uh to the Air Force base there. Every time they fired, and we can discuss it, this has profound impact. It could have a longer impact in terms of how a lot of countries view their future relationship with Israel. >> Right? In other in other words, when they fire at any country other than Israel, you mean >> when they're firing at any other country and Israel's ability to withstand this challenge, um, you know, a lot of them bought into the threats that Ayatollah and others made that we are going to wipe them off the first day. We can we'll destroy them, the United States, the whole American presence. Why they attacked the the uh the states, we will we don't know. Maybe it's because they were going after communication systems. Maybe and and they hit a lot like in Qatar they a very important um communication center billion dollar building. Uh and in other places they have long-standing resentments but the it seems UAE I think took more hits than Israel did. >> Yeah. and and you know that's because they were seen as the closest to the US and to to Israel but Saudi Arabia took the hits and they had been working to to develop a relationship over the recent years and Saudi Arabia has have made statements and other things that were more critical and hostile causing concern and also taken on uh as I described it the week before uh you know take they're bombing the UAE in material that they sent to Yemen. Uh that I think that there is, you know, there are a lot of questions that arise from this about what was the decision-m process. Why did they decide to to broaden the conflict knowing that you're just alienating more forces, >> right? But but this was part of their threat in advance, right? This was part of their threat in advance. >> It was it was they're not doing stuff that destroys the country. I mean, they're doing damage. They did considerable damage by rain and in in some major buildings in in the UAE. They're not destroying the country. They're not taking it over. They're not there's no long-term gain if the focus should have been if you would think on Israel, on American shipping, on the American presence. They wiped out their whole navy, >> right? And and coming in and they're coming in their supply was depleted to the fact to the point where they probably were relying on the UAE to get Trump to stop, right? I'm assuming that that was the reason they they >> well they wanted to put pressure on it but that that this could be the sign of a disjuncted leadership >> on one hand. Second of all that they had specific targets that they chose because they thought they would intimidate and keep them from joining. Third, they drove the British the the cowardly British and the cowardly French and all of the others into having to have a presence there. And you remember I talked about the presence of the Charles the Gaul uh a week ago. Now you see that it moved to the Mediterranean and the the British also and to attack Cyprus uh which is uh you know uh really ridiculous because it forced the British hand uh as well. So if you're looking for a rational, we have to see later when a lot of the information will come out about what the internal process or lack thereof. There have been maybe directives and they were and the individual guys are now acting on those directives. There isn't the kind of centralized coordination that that uh you would have had all the leadership remained in place. >> Right. There have been some tragedies in Israel obviously. I mean, the family in Beamesh is just unfathomable. >> Awful. >> Um, but >> awful. >> Terribly awful. But in addition to that, it seems from this vantage point, it seems like I don't know if it's the Israeli media or I don't know how it works, you know, what reports come from where. I I I think just if if you calculate everything that's been happening since Shabas, the damage to Israel has been more extensive than reported. Would you agree with that? every time a building was hit, every time a facility was hit, you know, it it seems like it displaced people and families, you know, around that area. It's not just the one, you know, the one building it hits, but you can, you know, the others are unoccupiable as well. So, is is is there is there more loss, even if it's property loss, is there more loss to Israel than is being reported? I mean, I saw a figure that over a thousand people have been taken to hospitals with injuries. That's something we really haven't seen in the press. The answer is absolutely. And if you see some of the missiles that hit in areas like Bay Brock, especially the more concentrated areas, they the a whole block of buildings could be affected. Not one, two, but a whole, if you look the pictures and get the reports, the the windows knocked down, buildings had to be taken down. The difference is that Israel moves immediately. When a building is hit and it's clearly unstable, they take it down. >> Yeah. Now, you have to think that the people who live there lost everything. I mean, literally everything. They don't it's nothing you can go and reclaim when you knock down a building like that. So, all their personal belongings and stuff was were was lost. So, the number of buildings I know in Tel Aviv uh early on they were already saying that 20 buildings have been damaged and most destroyed or had to be destroyed. So the and and you there obviously you have the attacks now coming from Kisbalah in the north where you don't have the kind same kind of warning. The amazing system from Iran is that you get the advanced warning telling you that you're going to get the warning so you can prepare and then you get the notice when it's actually the missile is within striking distance. So people had enough time to get to the shelters uh and to to protect themselves. The and the the people were killed. There was only one where they were in the shelter cuz it took a direct hit. >> You know, the shelters can protect, but it's very hard to protect against a direct hit. No matter what you do unless you build them underground and and even there it's probably can be penetrated. Did Iron Dome suffer in terms of uh you know hate I hate to put this in statistics but were there were their percentages of uh of foiled attempts down or were they just simply overwhelmed because in the first day of the attack the number of rockets was completely overwhelming. they get overwhelmed and the the ability to to to take it out as you know that this time the laser was used in the north uh and is being used in the north there. It cost a few dollars to to do a shot. A shot of the Iron Dome is $100,000. It's used to save lives and and Israel doesn't skimp on that ground. But yes, it gets o the system gets overwhelmed. They were shooting between 9 and 31 rockets at certain times. Then they and but they would do a big batch and then it would be quiet for hours and then they would do another big batch. Then they shifted to the strategy of doing a small number and then but doing them constantly much much more frequently. So people on one night I know were four times in and out of the shelters in the Tel Aviv Bay area. >> Yeah, it's getting a little bit quieter. Um, we'll talk about up north in a minute, but first um the uh the um the Now I lost my train of thought, of course. All right, let's go up north. Uh last night, last night was a quiet night in general. I shouldn't say quiet because there were sirens, but relatively quiet night compared to nights before uh in Israel. But up north, it was plenty of rockets last night. Uh Hezbollah decided to enter into this war. What kind of decision was that? What do you think went into that? And what do you think Israel's eventual uh goal is in terms of Hezbollah on Lebanon? >> Well, they want to drive him out. They want to take away their capacity to fire anything. They have reduced it uh greatly. Uh I think it's remarkable that the Lebanese government has come out as strongly as they have and the verbal condemnations by the leadership uh I think is um was very strong and I think maybe this red line is being drawn in in the sand finally in Lebanon. Uh we've seen progress towards that but where they're they're outlawing essentially them having weapons having weapons and taking other steps that would empower them to be able to act. Now, what question is will they execute? Uh, that's still a very big question mark. But the fact is that they that they're mobilizing against it. And when you listen to some of the interviews where the people used to always condemn Israel, they're not doing it this time. They're condemning saying that they dragged us into this. Even people were displaced from their homes in the north and Israel gave advanced warning and and to 53 villages, towns to for people to evacuate to save their lives. I mean, to protect them. Nobody was giving Israelis advanced notice and there is damage in the north as well and it's it's also psychological damage you know people who were displaced who finally came back maybe hesitant to do so >> and it adds a front to the whole effort you know every time another front is added you know how difficult that is for Israel >> and and you know they're shooting whatever they have left I don't think that they have vast stockpiles you notice the Syrian border has been quiet the the and and in general the it's Gaza was quiet not because they probably don't have many rockets to fire >> but they're always some there but the fact is that there was a choice not to heat up the the borders um and the fact that you know Jordan came under attack and and that you had American planes stationed there uh again more quiet than would have anticipated I think Israel's work of over the last year in the in the especially going in and and destroying the manufacturing of weapons, capturing a lot of weapons, going after the people responsible as you know there have been daily efforts going in there and having to do this. I think it prevented that front from being more active. >> Uh and you know you got to look at the cumulative record to see why where the power lies what what the decisions were again because also suffering from the decision maker absence and um and and >> yeah but there but there we don't care about regime change. Well, we have had regime change sort of in >> I get it, but here it's like but here it's like an ultimatum. It's like President Trump is holding it up as an ultimatum. >> No. Oh, you mean compared to Iran. >> So that's a completely different story. And and we we have to see I mean the fact that Mushaba is alive supposedly first of all you can't tell anymore who's really alive or not because of the AI. You know, they showed the movies, the pictures of Ahmedad attending the funeral of his bodyguards, but you don't know is this really Ahmed or not because everything with AI can be faked. >> But if if the fact that they survived and Mushdaba was also reported to have been killed in that initial strike, uh he did survive. >> Mhaba is not wanted by the people, not not even by the U leadership. he was designated by his father and u you know I've had a lot of interaction in these things and know a little bit about the inside um story he he's completely disrespected both as an Islamic scholar and as as a leader he never did anything of any significance and he was in hiding much of the time so I think this is just a temporary maneuver or maybe they're setting him up to be the next in line and nobody wants to to put themselves forward because they Well, you you're you're just setting yourselves up for some sort of a creative attack. >> Yeah. >> So So they're happy to sacrifice him on the you know by making him the leader. >> Understood. It's America's one and only Jewish moments in the morning radio program heard on listeners sponsored digital radio rather the world web.com and network and of course the beloved NSN app. You were finishing the point. I'm sorry. No, I'm saying so you I think that this is still a process uh in play, right? That there are other people now whose names are being put forward as potential successors and you see the president saying that he wants to have a say in it and then they attack him for regime change. Well, having a say in this is essential because you don't invest all of this just to have a government that's going to recreate the same problems uh thereafter. We want people committed to dismantling completely the nuclear program, turning over the enriched uranium, stopping the ballistic missile program, and really focused on rebuilding a country and serving the needs of the people. >> And I really wonder what the population what the population Iran is 100 million people. I really wonder what the population wants. I mean, if you put it to a if you put it to to a real vote to because you see plenty of demonstrations on the street, uh, you know, at the funerals, etc., of those who are, you know, for the current regime or the most recent regime, I would say. And then, of course, we keep hearing about demonstrations and students and, uh, you know, revolutionaries and democrats, etc. I, you know, small D, uh, you know, who want change. I really wonder what the real what a real poll would show us. any clue? >> So, so yes, because there's been studies been done and I've seen the results and and over a period of time. So, it's not just a snapshot of a particular second and moment in time. The the fact is that probably 10 to 15% of the people support the regime. But remember, you're talking about a country of 90 to 95 million people. So 10% is 9.5 million people. 15% is almost 15 million people, >> right? >> It it's a lot of people yet so that they can turn out and demonstrate and most people don't go to demonstrations and many of them are afraid still to go to demonstrations. But we know that in remember that 50% almost of the country is not Persians. They're not far. They're not they are uh 30 million Aeris, 12 million or 14 million Baluchi, you have Arabs, Awat Arabs, you have all of the other groups that make up uh almost half the population and it's very different there and and we've seen an attempted crackdown there in in those areas. Uh uh but most significant is what's happening in the Kurdish areas where Kurds are are being armed coming in from Iraq. Um >> are they a large enough force to to make an impact? >> Well, it's I don't think they can defeat the u the Revolutionary Guard and the Army, who by the way are not working together. I mean, they've always been in competition with one another. You see what what's happened with the Navy, the fact that it's completely obliterated. um that the the the Kurds are very devoted fighters, very capable uh if they got the weapons from the west that they should get that the people should be armed because the real change will come I think from the people and not just from quiet demonstrations but having to be able to withstand the the deadly forces of the bases who kill wantly. I think there will be less and less of that activity because they're getting the message that they're being, you know, the the people take pictures of the busie and and tell them that we know where you live and we will be there to to take care of it or send messages to their parents to warn them that they know. So, it intimidates a lot of the Basie uh guys and therefore they moved them from city to city. the there are forces that are loyal and that they they remain loyal. We have to see how that will break down and and we're only in day six or day seven. You got to give this thing a chance. >> This is not and that was the point I lost earlier. Even with all the devastation in Iran, this is not going to be a 12-day war. I would assume >> it it it won't be. It could be. I mean, if they just if the regime collapses and they they just stop, but I don't see that now. the it doesn't have to be it's not going to be a forever war. It doesn't have to be. We have to have in place some succession. And you know the the people talk about Raza Palevi Balabi the son of the former Sha but there are a lot of people who oppose him there. It could be a collective leadership both representing the various ethnic groups regions and the the main area the main population. Uh there are various things that are being contemplated. You see there are meetings of councils of representatives of dissident uh groups. Uh but but I want to go back to your original question because is we know that the vast majority 80% of people in different polls said they wanted relationships with Israel >> and and up to 90% in polls say they reject the the government meaning they reject also the the subjugation of women and and the terrible circumstances and the murders you know the the thousands of executions every year the fear and intimidation uh you know The stories will only be told once there's more freedom to tell it about how many young people were really killed, you know, in the during the in January and during other periods where people just disappeared and you don't know where they are. So I think the vast majority want change. They want they want their lives because the their their currency is worthless. Jobs were not there. the the living conditions deteriorated in a wealthy country. So, and it could change you know the balance also Russia and China's uh role there and the the oil that they get seeing the oil being shipped to other places. China will will make it up. But for the Russians, this is very important because they were selling the the sanctioned oil for Russia, >> right? Uh and they've all been pretty quiet, you would say, over the last week, China, Russia, others. They were >> remarkably, and you haven't seen any Navy deployments, you know, they used to do the every time there was a challenge, they would do joint exercises. Uh they did multiple ones with Russia and Chinese navies even in in this this past year. nothing, no presence uh to speak of. And uh and also their regional allies, if anybody who who still wanted to remain neutral is not neutral anymore because they were all attacked. 11 11 countries were attacked by Iran. Well, I mean, if everyone is going to stay if if these countries are going to stay at their level of silence and uh and they the UAE and others are going to continue being targets of Iran. I mean, one of the things we learn from this is something that you've said all the time and that is the majority of the countries, especially in that area, want Iran dealt with. And it's and it's funny because I don't think North Korea is viewed that way. I don't think other, you know, rogue nations are viewed that way. But for some reason, no one wants to tolerate what the future of Iran has to offer. >> And and I think, and this is speculative obviously, but I think that the post-war position of Israel in the region could be very different. The fact that Qatar and others see that there's only one local power and only one world power that stands up and that if you want to be secure in the future, you should be an ally of the United States and at least not an enemy of Israel. It might pave the way for, you know, um better deal in Gaza. Um, I hope it will lead to uh better arrangements in Syria and you know the the glorification of Shara will will become more real come down to reality and that the the Drews and the Kurds will be uh protected and that we you know we can do more to influence uh the situation and certainly to see Lebanon stabilized would be it go back to close to what it was in the era of the good fence. These would be amazingly life-changing developments for Israel and and if if the West and the gutless Europeans and others would would all get into this, we could try to to to create a to everybody's benefit. It's not Israel has no designs on anybody for anything. That's the amazing thing. United States not fighting for any territory. They're fighting just to to remain and to to have peaceful solution and to stop the threats. >> But but isn't all this less likely the longer the war goes on or not necessarily? >> Not necessarily. Cuz I don't see the rallies increasing inside and the messages that I get from inside Iran do not indicate, you know, people aren't saying end it. They're saying go for it. Destroy this regime. and the and more and more in the region now are saying it because they saw what they're really about that they would attack wantingly these these uh targets and clearly they had them earmarked before they didn't just decide that day to to pick up in sites in 11 countries to to attack >> so people get to you know get to see what the real regime is and I think the celebrations people feel free to celebrate you'll see even more they've done very courageous things in speaking up and you know again one week into a war with no boots on the ground just by air power and very clever and and brilliantly executed exercises. This is astonishing. >> Yeah. And and give me a second to make this point because obviously if you think there's no imperialistic notion to this whole thing, you haven't been listening to Tucker Carlson. And the reason I say that sarcastically is because I had an interesting encounter this morning. more more people would say it was the middle of the night. That's how early I was heading to the office this morning. And I stopped to to pick something up and someone stops me in the parking lot and says, "I never thought I would openly say this to a Jew." And they went on basically to give me the whole rhetoric of people like Tucker and Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes, etc. I mean, I I said to them, you know, who have you been listening to? Which political commentators do you listen to? And the answer was all of them. at which point I knew I knew who there and I'll tell you the difference Malcolm I'll tell you the difference in my opinion and I need you to comment on this it used to be that even if someone believed this and went along with the Kabad conspiracy theories they would never repeat it and they would never dare you know go ahead and say it to a Jew as this gentleman you know pointed out to me in his preamble but today with the justification of these political and social commentators with them spewing what they're spewing, all of a sudden the average person has no problem establishing the same point of view. And I think that's a very big difference right now. >> Look, the mayor of New York said it, you know, talked about it, the war regression, etc. So, one is you're absolutely right. We cannot dismiss the impact that these no nothings I mean to to see some of Candace Owen's you know historical references and stuff they've showed she knows absolutely nothing. I think that you raised something that I think is very important. I think the the attack on Kabad is of a different quality than all the other things that were said because they put a bullseye on every Kabad guy. Right. >> They and I believe Kabad should sue immediately. cut Tucker Carlson not let him you know issue some Nandy Pandy apology because they have been identified and you can identify the Kabad guys and remember they work in Muslim countries they work in in Africa they work all over the world they're certainly vulnerable they don't have uh you know security forces like uh Tucker Carlson and all these other people hire for themselves and have they you have to think about how vulnerable it is and I think and I've spoken to some lawyers yesterday about it to just to sound them I I mean I think it's the perfect of all the attacks. This is by far the strongest case and if anything would intimidate you. Remember he made the comments about President Herzog >> and had to back down and apologize apologized right away because he realized that he would be could be sued. I think that I'm not a lawyer, but I think that this is certainly something that uh the lawyers and I hope Kabad will will will move immediately before he gives, you know, tries to wimp out. But you're right. It's it's the fact had somebody said the things beyond just saying we disagree with the war. Okay, people could disagree and or agree that about an attack or not, but that's not what this is. This is character assassination of the Jewish people of the Jewish nation of of certain even of the president and others, but of but endangering Jews because they're inciting a population, the population, but not just here. This is it's in Europe and it's everywhere else where they're quoted and you know and this goofy guy uh oh you know I laughs everything off Tucker Carlson think of and he has impact he has direct access to the vice president he has access to his son works in the vice president's office you know these are not people who are disconnected and you know who can't who who who are can be dismissed this is a different kind of game and look how long uh Nah, we warned about this about what was going on on the internet. All the the researching groups like NCRI and uh Vine and Fig and all those that are are finally creating the expertise to really be able to go after this and to to counter the this is this is a front that that we've never had to fight. We fought propaganda wars by the Nazis, by the Russians, by others. They invested lots of money. But you're you're talking about uh when Qatar pours, you know, a billion dollars into campaigns in in or and hundreds of millions together with others into all these campaigns, the Chinese, others, they they carry out their war and their differences with the United States or with Israel by fighting on our campuses by creating dangerous situations that people feel that striking out at Jews is is uh is legitimate. I think that the the muted response now in general here in New York and elsewhere um is is a message that first of all people don't feel towards Iran and towards Ayatollah you know the way they felt let's say on Gaza they didn't mobilize them in the same way and they came under attack the people who were who were sponsoring many of these uh activities so it's it's a very different situation but people should not dismiss it the other thing I would say is I I don't think we should take him on. And Candies, I don't think we should respond to them. The more we feed them oxygen, the more that they platform, the more that they feel that they're impacting, but but there's a difference between that and filing an effective lawsuit. And so, the lawsuits in the universities here have had an impact. I think that Tucker Carlson being hit by a real uh suit that that um that would be costly for him would be a very valuable development. They've normalized propaganda. I think that's why God wanted me to have that encounter in the middle of the night because I see a regular regular New Jersey uh resident is ready to speak out and say stuff they admitted they would never have said in the past. >> They normalize hate. They It's not just the propaganda. It's the hate. The messages they and and don't think this is going to go away. you know, if if tomorrow there's a ceasefire, >> this stuff is entrenched and and you have a whole generation that is willing to buy it. And and you see the races around the country where members of Congress who took support from the Jewish community and from Apac are now running against Apac. Not just that they're running against their opponents. And and it's not one case, two cases, it's many, many. And how many people are running in in openly hostile camp running openly hostile campaigns against Jews and against Israel and when you look at the cumulative numbers it's serious in >> including in states like Florida where you >> in including in Florida and that the fact that young people still will vote for some of these guys and you know we have young evangelicals that have to we have to do much more with you know they're not reflecting the same patterns as their parents young uh and even unfortunately some in the Jewish community. We have a job to do. >> Unbelievable. I'll tell you, I'm sure someone like you who's been through so many of these battles didn't think you'd have to start from scratch with this one. >> But but we have really amazing people doing extremely creative stuff and and beginning to develop the capacity for us to to know to get real hard information. the the brilliant guys at NS at Network Contagion Research Institute and B and FIG and and there are about 150 organizations that have been created since October 7th, maybe more and some of them are really doing great work and getting out creative messaging. Uh and I think they'll you will see that it'll become much more professional, more and it's not coming from often from the traditional Jewish organizations. These are startups, often young people themselves who did it and people who are just frustrated with seeing the lack of response who who are now creating and using AI and other means but trying to counter on the internet. We got to beat him using the tools that they're using against us. >> Yeah, no question about it. Uh should people work on the assumption that uh before Pesak there will not be a normal travel schedule to Israel or we just don't know? >> I I wouldn't venture into that knowing how sensitive this is for a lot of people. >> Well, I I I could I can name unfortunately I can name tens of people I've already heard who have canceled for PESA. >> Yes, there are people who canled who could still resurrect it. Uh but I I mean I I think that Israel will try to open up by Pesah. Uh people are afraid. They're afraid of getting stuck. They hear all these stories that people, you know, I mean, what's the worst thing? You get stuck for two or three days more in Israel unless you have something that you have to come back for, >> right? >> Um you know, it's not a terrible thing. And and I know that Ala is bringing back people. I think they brought back 20,000 already. There about 100,000 is people want to get back to Israel. Unfortunately, they're not flying out with people yet, but Aria announced that they would be flying from um from Taba. Um we'll have to see how those things work. I think people should be very careful and if you have family members who who want to drive to go and to go to other countries, just be very careful, know exactly what and that it's authorized and that there's proper security in the places that they're going to. It's too easy to think that the Iranians would want to kidnap or capture a group of of Jews leaving Israel or traveling. Uh they've done it in the past and they would do it >> and they have plenty of sympathizers who would who would jump at the opportunity. >> Exactly. So people should just be careful. I understand the frustration level builds and I understand that people want to get out and people have successfully done it. Uh I spoke to a guy yesterday uh who had been with us in Israel uh and stayed on afterwards and he he he went to Taba with his with his daughter then he flew to Cairo then he flew to Frankfurt and from Frankfurt to some place to Washington and I think it was a three three-day FL because he had to do overnights on the way. So, uh, when you're really devoted and you want to do it, I guess you can do it. But people should just be careful. Just think think twice before you you take an adventurous route. People have successfully done it. I hope, God willing, everybody will and everybody will be safe. But I I have to believe that by Pesa, we'll at least be able to to look, they're flying out of Benoria. Nobody thought it would open up in in in a few days, >> right? Uh, I'll tell you, interesting times to say the least. Interesting times. Continue to uh folks continue to monitor news and continue to pray to the one above cuz he of course is in charge of it all. Malcolm, thanks so much for joining us. Have a wonderful Shabas. We'll speak please God next week. >> Have a good chabas. And you're right, everybody. Make sure they say tailum in all the shs. This is not um you know we we need all of the all the armorament that we have both spiritual and physical in this battle. >> Yeah. Recognize the miracle and pray for the next miracle. Uh, my thanks to Malcolm Homeline weekly update Fridays 7:40 a.m. Eastern time here at JM in the A.M.