Weekly Update: Nachum Segal and Malcolm Hoenlein Discuss the Latest News

Malcolm Homeline's with us. We call this the weekly update conference of presidents of major American Jewish organizations. Mr. Homeline, welcome back to JM and the AM. >> Thank you. It's good to be with you as always. >> I'm sure you also are encouraging people to enjoy the great weather and come out to Fifth Avenue on Sunday. >> I'm encouraging them to take advantage of those things as extra benefits. But it is not just I think a choice. I think it's an essential that people go and make their voices heard and make their by their physical presence answer those who aren't there uh which is the best repudiation of the anti-Israel, anti-Jewish, anti-semitic uh elements and the um I I think it probably never was more essential than this year to be there in the streets and Jews and non-Jews alike should be standing up for Israel at this time. It's um it's of such paramount importance I don't even think it should be necessary to have to explain to people why they should be there and should should line the streets and everybody should marching all of the officials who come and others there's a large delegation of Knesset I met with them yesterday if there are 13 members together with the speaker of the Knesset uh many others are coming the mayor of Jerusalem it's chance to show them and send back the message to the people of Israel that they're not alone, that we stand with them. It's a message to the haters that we don't cower in the face of this uh uh of their uh decisions whether to attend or not. And uh I don't think we should focus on those who don't come. We should focus on those who do. >> I'm laughing only because that's my next question. But I'm just curious and I know we shouldn't focus on it, but I'm just curious. Look, you've been on the scene for, you know, all these decades and obviously the parade is, I don't know, 55, 60 years old. Um, do you remember anything close to this in terms of the public push back a government official like the mayor of the city of New York or I don't know. Do you remember anything um that resembles what this era of support for Israel is going through? >> That's a good question. I don't think, you know, we've had difficult times. We've had campaigns against uh Israel. We've had bouts of anti-semitism, but nothing is consistent. This is not just haphazard. you know that I' I've talked about it for decades on this show warning about this because we knew we saw it it in development we saw it building up and I think that the the nature of the anti-semitism we face all that we predicted about and and to see the systemic uh arrangement that this is uh well organized this is a long-term plan on on the part of the haters they are they are poisoning a generation the next generation, let alone impacting current people. That the um the impact is one that we can't even anticipate because once this poisonous system, you can't just extract it. When people talked about talk about, you know, um denazification after the war, it it it doesn't just happen. Even though they made very extreme efforts, it takes a long time. and and the poison still remains in this system. You still see the manifestations in Germany >> and certainly here to but when they talk about you know we got to dradicalize kamas and people that doesn't happen just like that people you know take a course or take a pill and that and it changes them. So what we're seeing in our campuses and what we're seeing all over the country and in virtually every sector uh is something that is going to be with us for a long time. And and the answer is that you have to fight back. We have to stand up, speak out, make the case, not defensively, but uh offensively and do it with real credibility and conviction. It it's it's so important. you know, we can we will and we have discussed this for for so many years when 20 years ago we talked about you know some of the Muslim and and the populations and then couldn't have anticipated the open borders and how fast that this would would continue but look at the patterns in Europe and you know that ultimately it comes here. >> Yeah, no doubt about it and the only the only positive I shouldn't say only but one of the positives is seeing how people react to it. There's no question that people and not just the police commissioner of New York, but many others, you know, they use opportunities now to make strong statements that are pro-Israel, people who never ever would have spoken up on the issue whatsoever, uh, who feel that Israel is being treated unfairly are now voicing their opinion. So, it the only benefit, and again, I know it's not only, but one of the benefits, it's woke, it's woken up a lot of people around this country. >> It's woken up some, it's intimidated others. It's uh and if the our young people were more educated at least that they would can answer with confidence. They can't because they don't know themselves. So we have to look at massive educational programs just as we look at security issues. We have to invest in it. We have to get people to to you know root out those that are just creating organizations that don't do anything or they can have big mouths but not deliver. And I want to credit Brook for the rally that they convened in in front of uh Gracie Mansion bringing the message home and it doesn't even though it wasn't uh you know a massive number of people it was enough to be able to get on the media to create a positive impression >> right it looked significant right >> it looked right and it was significant in terms of its impact >> and that we have uh and where where we see manifestations of anti-semitism people rallying If there's a store that's being boycotted, the fact that hundreds of people come in front of it is enough just to say we stand with them. We're buying their stuff. We're going to counter the haters. >> Yeah. No question about it. All right. Uh in the moving on now to some international issues. In the immortal words of when it comes to Iran, when it comes to Iran, in the immortal words of Howie Mandel, deal or no deal. Malcolm, Malcolm, is there any way to determine if we're on our way to an actual agreement between the US and Iran? >> He would never have had a show if it was dependent on the decision like this one. >> That's for sure. A never ending saga. >> Would have been it would have been the boringest show in the world because every week you'd have the same contestant and you'd have them all correct. Yes or no? Correct. Not deciding. Um, look, I I I I don't know because I don't think anybody really knows now. The um the information that comes out is often contradictory and clearly it rests with the president. We've heard strong statements from the head of SenCom, the Central Command, which is includes Israel in the Middle East. Then they have been very forthright, very courageous. They initiated the attacks at night over the last few days and evenings uh against Iranian targets and uh against the island, against ships, against others quote violating uh the standing agreements and uh posing a threat. Uh but at the same time, the negotiations are going on. We keep being told that they're they're very close to an agreement. There's almost an agreement. There is an agreement, but we don't know it. uh that the uh idea of a 60 or 90day um hiatus is frankly uh inexplicable to me. I I don't know how you make that work. And and if you think you look at the calendar, 60 or 90 days in Israel brings you closer to the election there, but here also it brings you closer to the midterms within striking distance of them. and to have the and the president can say that he's not driven by the midterms which may or may not be the case but also the price of oil may or may not be the case but it's very hard to believe that they're going to want to be a month out of the election and and have uh oil be at such a high price and that the war continuing they need two weeks to finish the job right now they say send common and Israel together to take out the remaining sites to to also uh rejigger the um discussion because right now the the emphasis on removing the quote dust doesn't do it. The dust can be replaced meaning the enriched uranium enriched to to 60% more. They also have a ton that is enriched to 3%. that can be quickly uh because they have the infrastructure because they have the IR6s the centrifuges that stuff a lot of it remains intact they have 70% of their ballistic missiles much of the production and other things were damaged and and were hit but they can be reconstructed you see also their ability to produce um drones and and all over the Middle East we see the impact of the drones and unfortunately very negatively in in the northern Israel in the last couple of So the but we don't see the talk about conditioning and an agreement on stopping the support for the terrorist entities kamasahis etc. We don't hear uh talk about the uh ballistic missile component which was when Prime Minister Netanyahu laid it out it was the nuclear and the ballistic missile because we saw what damage that did to Israel to our other allies in the Gulf our Arab allies and the uh I mean there are other conditions also that we had that we would have placed ending the executions which by the way are continuing virtually every day, >> right? >> And the uh persecution of the people, the uh and regime change which can't be imposed and you know probably if it happens by historic precedent, it happens after the conflict. But we can't go into this and think that a 60-day uh quote, you know, period of negotiations only gives them the time to to reposition themselves. It will send the message to our Gulf allies who are now making their own deals with Iran because they don't have faith and trust in in the outcome of this that the and they continue to hit them by the way and you saw what they did uh just this week attacking American base and and the and shooting missiles the uh and and there was some retaliation by Saudi Arabia by UAE. We we we learned during the war, but I think right now they would be very hesitant to get involved. The USS Ford is out. You can't keep such a large contingent of forces uh there indefinitely and months more is difficult. And if you're going to have a 90-day period, it's or 60-day period, that means you're extending them two more months before a decision is made about what follows up. >> Right. But is it possible from the US standpoint, is it possible that it is easier for the president of the United States to save face with a ceasefire as opposed to a written agreement? >> Look, ultimately there whatever they sign is meaningless and they've never abided by an agreement. They didn't abide by the JCPOA. were told it now like it was a panacea that it was, you know, this breakthrough agreement. The fact is that they were violating it all along and the they didn't allow the inspections that they were supposed to allow. They didn't they did enrich the uranium during that period. So whether they sign or not is probably meaningless. And we're not going to see whether Mushaba, who they still haven't established that he's alive or not alive, uh is really in control and and that is what whoever signs it is really authorized to do so, >> right? But the >> when it comes to them, the signing of an agreement is is secondary. >> But the ceasefire gives the president uh two opportunities. Number one, he could always say he never signed an agreement with Iran. That's number one. And number two, as we've seen with Russia and Ukraine, and we've seen with so many other situations, you know, he he will go ahead and implement something and then forget about it. Like he'll do a 60-day ceasefire agreement right now and then, you know, no matter how many months or years from now, he may never revisit the issue. That seems to be his MMO. So that's why I that's why I say that I think the ceasefire may just be his best way out. >> Yeah. But we were never the leaders in the in the war with Ukraine. And you know there was always a hesitancy to get involved whether right or wrong. Many people just you know debated and you know the Europeans he was shifting the onus to the Europeans who should be bearing more of the responsibility. Uh so it it's not really comparable in terms of our involvement and the position that the president staked out. Uh I know that there are internal pressures certainly to to end the war and to to not to have more casualties. God forbid not to have uh you know the price of oil continue. The economic impact the feeling that you know in another couple of weeks the global impact economically will be much more severe. All of these are realities that they have to deal with. And but the president has pulled out surprises before. It could well be that he has he wants to show the world that he gave them all the rope that he could and they just hung themselves from it. >> But he never seems to put a lid on it. Even with Russia and Ukraine, he gets involved. Putin visits the whole thing. And then at some point it just, you know, he he takes it all he takes it completely out of the news. Like right now, nobody thinks the US has any role whatsoever in intervening in that conflict. And he ran on ending that conflict. But but we still have a a role both in how we treat some of the other the Baltic states, how we deal with other threats posed by him, the economic sanctions on on Russia, uh the um you know there are a lot of considerations and here in terms of of Iran there are the US role is far more prominent. We were the is the cornerstone of the resistance to the to the regime. you know, they they have demonstrated remarkable resilience, we have to say, and fact that the economy is in total ruins and has been for a long time. And we've we've documented the decline over the years talking about it to show what was really happening in the country. And yet, they survive and the the events of of January with the deaths of tens of thousands of people has clearly intimidated opposition and certainly public manifestations of the opposition. There are demonstrations. You don't read about them, but there are u especially, you know, in areas of the minorities and groups. But the um uh the the Iranian regime itself, despite eliminating the leadership, they keep replacing them. We don't know what quality they are. We don't know exactly who's in charge. It's clearly IRGC that is the dominant force. Uh we assume that a signed agreement will lower will eventually lead to lower fuel prices. Would that happen with a ceasefire as well or you don't know? >> Yeah. Well, it will because when it's very and depends on the conditions we establish uh with it and and do we really make it clear that the the straits are open and that there aren't fees and tariffs and things applied to the shippers and that you have a huge backlog of ships. You know, you see the pictures of them uh sitting in in the water for now for for a long period of time, extended periods. They too can't just forever just sit around and waiting. You know, you're talking about ships with hundreds of millions of dollars worth of oil on them and the um if they are released and get back to the market that will already immediately um lower the price, >> right? >> But the the the real impact will only come if people have confidence that there's there's a long-term solution here. and the the um I would say that people because of all of the past history and you know not being sure when when the president makes contradictory statements day after day it's a tactic. No, but it could be a tactic on his part. It worked sometimes in the past. uh you know he set the red lines down and if he doesn't reach him I think that it will have a negative impact in terms of the election because the opposition those who who are against this are not going to be more favorable but the ones who people who understood the significance of this could be less >> the funny part is that most politicians try to put some distance between their contradictory statements as you said and that was what's funny is that it could be dayto-day with him you know one day this the next day completely the opposite it's America 's one and only Jewish moments in the morning radio program heard on listeners sponsored digital radio round the weather.com network and of course the beloved NSN app Malcolm homeline with us um weekly update time. So, um, how many people that you know who live in Israel and earn American salaries are furious about what's happening regarding the dollar against the shekel? Well, it's universal and uh, you know, I met people who were who are here for the parade and others who came from Israel and my own grandchildren there and foundations other things and you know, the great synagogue which I'm president. We are suffering greatly because >> it's a 25% hit basically >> it's a 25% hit and people who wanted to buy apartments or people are in the process of doing it uh are being hit very hard but the and those who uh you know uh import uh items and and sell them in Israel these things are this affects people daytoday in a very serious manner >> plus tourism >> and the And of course the tourism which is anyway suffering will now suffer even more because of it. Uh I think a lot of people will go and and there's a lot of pent-up demand to go and a lot of pent-up demand I think for aliyah but it it certainly will encumber it and and and and everybody talks about it and says you know we have to take steps and and it still goes lower. It goes down to 282. I mean it's ridiculous. Unbelievable. >> See, the strength of the shekele during a war and that the dollar is so weak in comparison to >> So who is it? Was it I mean I read some story. Was it the Bank of Israel said they're going to intervene or some other entity was going to intervene and try to do something about it? Like what can be done at this point? >> That's a good question because you know the steps that have been taken so far uh and speeches have been given didn't rectify the situation. you know that uh it's less than a year ago when it was four to the dollar >> and then mostly hovering between three and four but nobody anticipated that it would drop below three and certainly not this much below three. Maybe, you know, it sometimes hovers there and would rebound, but this is keeps going down further and and the economic forecast for Israel remain strong despite all the problems and all of the uh the situations in the north and in in Gaza and Israel having to take further actions on both sides to root out the terrorists infrastructure that the uh strength of the dollar I mean it's a tribute to BB for what he did many many years ago in helping to build the economy. It's a tribute to the high-tech industry, to the people of Israel, to the amazing resilience of the people of Israel. The birth rate doesn't go down and the projections I saw yesterday a wonderful presentation by a futurist Dr. Pac from Vilan uh and he's talking about you know the population of Israel going over 20 million in a few decades much sooner than people anticipated. It's the only country with a positive birth rate in the whole OECD amongst the developing countries. >> Wow. uh almost none of them have uh uh have replacement birth rates which means they'll have no labors and either they bring in more foreigners which continues to then to distort the countries and just look at the the uh the moss and the prayers in the streets and sometimes even outside of girls yes um to to understand the impact that has >> the the Brooklyn people asked you for help on that one I'm sure >> well as chairman of push community council I got a lot of calls on it and certainly our office. Um people are very concerned and and the fact is that how do they have a right just to do it wherever they want to block the sidewalks and to I mean can you imagine if if uh if a group of u men went outside a girls uh Muslim school or other schools and did the same thing in the streets uh around it would be would be not tolerated. >> Yeah that's for sure. Um, all right. So now, it regarding Israel's policy and still associated with the American Iran situation, it seemed that the president of the United States had essentially um laid down the law uh and declared in in whatever fashion this was. In other words, I don't know if it was an official policy or if it was a suggestion or a threat, but he basically wanted BB he wanted the government of the state of Israel uh to stop activity in Lebanon. That's what it sounded like. And then of course BB over the last 48 hours has stressed that he's only going to, you know, demand that Israel become stronger and stronger and rooting out the terrorist hubs in Lebanon. So was that the case? Was was did did the president of the United States feel he could only continue negotiating with Iran and those who are negotiating between the two of them if Israel stopped a real uh threat up in the north? I I don't believe so. And I I think he knows it's not realistic. And Israel is not doing a um an allout assault. They're doing a lot. They are moving uh beyond the latani. And if and it's amazing to me that no attention is paid to what Israel is finding that they're finding miles and miles and miles of of tunnels and all the investment in the tunnels. They don't talk about how the people of Lebanon were deprived because all of this money was invested in this instead of developing their industry and developing jobs for them and and their own security. That the even in interviews with hostile sources like BBC, the people of Lebanon put the onus often on on not on Israel and say, "Well, if the attacks would stop, they don't like the attacks. They don't, especially when it comes near Beirut and and the movement of populations and the distorted reporting which is just so beyond belief about what really is happening on the ground. The uh the people want to get rid of the of Hezbollah and the the idea that you can leave them intact and leave intact the kind of infrastructure that's being uh discovered virtually every day. But these long 10 km uh tunnel, do you realize how much work and all all the effort the money that went into this to to create that infrastructure? And we know that under in every house in southern Lebanon, there was a they had a living room, dining room, and rocket room. And they had placed rockets in all those places, let alone the underground city that that there's a parallel underneath the ground to what's above ground. so they could move around without uh resistance, without response by Israel. I don't see the government of Lebanon being strengthened. They have made some strong statements, but the the question is can they implement anything to do this? Is the Lebanese army going to be strong enough? They can't on their own get rid ofah and that's why if Lebanon and Israel could work together in doing it that has a much better chance of success and much more has to be done to make sure that we stop the flow of weapons whether through Syria which has largely blocked it and been blocked or by other means. Uh clearly the the supply system was remarkable and the amounts of money involved astonishing uh to to build all of this infrastructure, all the armaments that are being discovered. And now they're using drones unfortunately effectively and a and a young woman officer was killed yesterday and virtually every day uh they kill somebody and wound to others. This is not a tolerable long-term situation. And if you send the wrong signal, if the president of United States puts the onus on Israel and and by and large he has not. He has put it on and and you notice they in regard to kamas uh they've stood by by Israel and the actions Israel does not want to be in control of Gaza in the long term or in in take over Lebanon. They have no territorial designs on any of these places. They don't want it. nor on Syria, but they want to have protection. And when you have a regime like you have in Syria and you can't allow and and also because they're committed to the Drews and to to um trying to build that zone, it's not because they want the territory. They're not going to build farms there. It's because that is the protection for the population. And if the governments were in control, if it was, you know, the border with Canada, they wouldn't need to do it. So those who ascribe to it, you know, to to negative things and the president's words really matter in this regard in terms of sending a message to that time is not on your side. >> Did you see what percentage of Gaza BB claims Israel now controls? >> Yes. And I don't know why we have to make statements all the time about it. Just do it. uh and uh you know the because the the numbers are being manipulated by the hostile press and others and they don't understand that when they say that they took over 10% more going 60 to 70 it means that that yeah but the populations are there and that >> oh it's crazy that they're saying it publicly >> right you know what happened I'll tell you what happened until until >> until until the advent of social media BB abided by the homeline line rule. The homeline doctrine was in place among the in the in the offices of the prime minister of Israel until social media began to explode. And then all of a sudden, as you see from the videos he makes and the um the stuff that's released on different platforms from his office, you see that they they just got into this mode of of of talking about anything and not and not understanding how how they may regret sharing certain information with the rest of the world. You like my analysis? Uh I I actually agree with your analysis to to a large degree and and but we have now the overlay of the upcoming election which means everything is going to be politicized even more and the opposition speaking out from the the right side actually saying that Israel has not been effective enough in in dealing withah and kamas uh because the population supports the war supports the war with Iran because they don't want to see this thing uh finish with that's inconclusive and I'm afraid that that could be one of the things and and no one will have confidence. If you were if you were a leader in another country facing the challenge, what would you say that the West is consistent in in its uh positions and and thinking longer term or everything is short-term response? Uh the president can can say and assert that he's not driven by the midterms and that showed the election results of the past few days to to support it. And it might be true in his part, but that's not how the world perceives it. >> Yeah. >> By the way, >> towards the act, >> by the way, do they call it the homeline doctrine in Jerusalem as well, or that's exclusively here among us? >> I don't let them. I told them it's patented to you and and I have to charge them if they use it. Trust me, they want to ignore it. They want to make sure to uh uh to not acknowledge it. But I wish the prime minister would change his ways in that uh in that area. It just it it drives me crazy. Uh finally, and this might prove my point, by the way, from earlier in this conversation. Where where's the Gaza Board of Peace? It doesn't exist. Okay, it does, you know, on paper, but you got my point. There's no money for it. There's no activity. the the pres again to prove my point from earlier, the president's basically has ignored it, hasn't brought it up in god knows how long and it just, you know, and it drifts off. There's there's nobody who expects it to actually be a real entity at this point. >> Well, there actually are doing some things and they're putting out papers. Um, but the um >> Am I right that there's no money that nobody's making commitments? Their commitments are minimal and uh and all the people who had big mouths, you know, as when it comes down. It's like a you know, pledge of the show when it comes to the you know, >> oh, you've been spending too much time as president of a great synagogue. >> Maybe that is true, TOO. LET'S CALL THEM OUT, MALCOLM, RIGHT NOW. Let's call out the guys that that that yell out big amounts and never pay them. Come on, let's do it right now. >> They they know who they are and they and if you and even if you did make a pledge, it's a good idea if you could if you pay if you pay Seagull's radio show. >> That's correct. And and after you pay last year's pledges, that' be nice. I I I don't want to write off the the the peace board because they are doing some stuff especially on the food and other things. You see the attack now on Israel. I heard it last night from Aruni that the uh the one who who's involved with the Palestinian PLO uh front and I say um is saying you know Israel's providing one quarter. They're providing four times what they can use. And I think the peace board has tried to rationalize some of these things and and is trying to assert itself. There's uh people that uh they published several things this week really calling for uh denazification uh of population and building the educational systems and you know the the we just saw the study done of the textbooks in in Jordan where they've made them much worse. Again, uh the high school texts uh there are some references that are better, but the overall we see that the textbooks uh remain uh quite hostile. Some countries did change him and did moderate the anti-semitic and anti the really hostile and terrorism supporting uh language, but by and large it's not true of the PA's textbooks, not true of others. So the the at least the peace board is in a position to try and and um present some of the facts. Um I don't know how credible it is and I don't know. I'm sure BBC and NPR are not going to be affected by it. I just heard a report where they were talking about the Nova Festival display and saying about how many people were were abducted that day and 19 died. >> Oh my god. 19 died as if they weren't murdered and brutality of it. It just this constant distortion. So the the peace board, you know, is it going off on a on a blast? No. And it's never going to make SpaceX, but it's it's still, I think, playing a useful role. And if it can expose the lies and distortions, then that would be a useful role, too. >> You know what you were telling us in the 1990s? Yeah. I mean, you didn't say it like this. Although, I wish we we would have now that I think about it in retrospect. You were basically saying to us, "Hey guys, it's not always going to be like this. We're not always going to be enjoying the support we're enjoying. We're not always going to have the right people, you know, defending us. There's going to be challenging times." And of course, back then, who would have believed it or who wanted to believe it? >> Well, now people didn't believe it. and you know that because they you know they said it was depressing and was uh you know to hear these things but it was obvious and I'm telling you the next stages of this are obvious too. If you look at at the political rhetoric, if you see the races that and some of the people who who are in position to get elected despite whether they have Nazi tattoos and and vicious stuff and have long-standing positions that are beyond belief and some of them are just irrational candidates, but um some of the bad guys lost, but the there are too many of them who are passing the initial test from from the primaries. hopefully will get defeated in the general elections, >> but we see more and more of these radical voices get being accepted. >> Enjoy parade day. Have a wonderful Shabas and we'll speak please God next week. >> And we have the wonderful offroof of to look forward to >> uh married even though the wedding's a couple weeks but they are were smart and wise in doing it now. So, God willing, we'll be there and then only should have some everybody. >> Oh, it's one of it's one of those it's one of those offerups a month in advance. Is that what you're telling us? >> It's not a month. It's six months. No, it's just two week. But, you know, everything is booked. THERE ARE SO MANY. >> OH, that's the problem. Excuse me. One second. One second. One second. Second. You the most connected person on planet earth couldn't move mountains to make sure the roof would be days before the wedding. Come on mountain. >> This is first of all I'm a grandfather and second of all the other side this is their responsibility and they do it very well and they are wonderful people. >> So they made the final decision. >> Yeah I like the decision. I think it's good because the pressure right before the wedding is much harder. I know, but Malcolm, Malcolm, we have an opportunity here to really, you know, get some uh uh ratings grabbing controversy going. I mean, come on. Help me out here. >> I mean, that's the dumbest thing I ever >> I mean, come on. Trashing the other side of a wedding. That would be historic. Come on, Malcolm. Anyway, thanks so much for joining us. >> Thanks a lot for that. >> Hey, let them know it's only a joke. I beg you. Let them know we're kidding around. Uh Malcolm Homeline weekly update. He'll return please God a week from today here at JM in the A.M. Friday morning error of Shabas candle lighting at 7:58 in New York. Make sure you know when things start where you are in this era of Shabas paraso diaspora is nusso. Israel is balos. Simple as that. Well not so simple but that's the way it is. That's the way it is. 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