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Was Yishmael Jewish? Rabbi Daniel Glatstein
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but uh most importantly we're continuing
the subject that we've been speaking
about the last many weeks and in fact
I've gotten so in this topic that I'm
very happy to announce that the next
saer besides the one that's also
finished we're just editing now
on on working now
in that will be the topic of the saer so
hopefully mhia will come by then and um
will be to see the downfall of all
the okay so last week we discussed a
very interesting subject because even
though we sort of take it for
granted that the fact that the Torah
puts by the burial of Abraham before is
Rashi points out why does why is listed
before is this proves that is did Chua
so we sort of take it for granted this
idea Dida he repented he clapped Al he
uh he wrote out a Yar check and he did
all the uh he fulfilled all the 20
ingredients of R and Dida but we asked a
very interesting question because
there's a gar that says that there's a
Tana by the name of RAB
isma how does that fit into the idea
that you're not supposed to name after R
so the ritah brought an answer that the
parents the opinion that you could give
the name is holds like the that yes did
cha so we we observed what do you mean
he holds like the opinion thata doesn't
everybody say cha isn't it generally
accepted that did CH that language of
the of
the that did Chua that implies that it's
not unanimously maintained that y did
Chua not everybody holds is Chua
furthermore the fact that some say that
you can name after yes because Hashem
gave him the name that indicates that
it's not perhaps is did not do
Chua we also brought a gar sanedrin the
gar
sanedrin said that a son could bring
Merit to a father and a father can't
bring Merit to a son what's the proof
Abraham cannot save is a Abraham is to
which many ask why would abah need to
save is is did Chu and actually then
would be greater than AB because didn't
do
CH so what why is the saying Abraham
couldn't save yes doesn't need to be
saved so the T and seem to say that this
indicates is did not do
chuva so we have this debate did y did
Chua did y not do Chua so let me throw
an interesting question at
you how could y have done
Chua yes
presumably is not Jewish is he I mean is
he a yid and if he's not
Jewish a non-jew can't do
chuba this is one of the great
principles that we've learned many many
times that a gentile is not able to do
chuva so how could there be an opinion
that is did chuva if he's a
gentile unless you say no maybe ishma is
a Jew and if he's a Jew he did do Chua
in other words last week we discussed
could y have done Chua did he do Chua
did he not do Chua but don't we have to
ask a more basic question how could yes
have done chuva if he's not Jewish and
only a Jew could do you say really
only you know that already we've
discussed that many many times over the
years and if you don't know it yet when
you get the new sa on R there's going to
be a lot of discussion on that how do we
know that a genti can't do Chua this
beish
med God will show favoritism to
you can't do chuva so how would we
explain that yesma did chuva if he's not
Jewish unless I'm sort of you know
spilling the beans in the beginning of
the shear which is a very important rule
never to violate you see a sheer is all
in the packaging so you want to keep the
you want to keep the to the end of the
shear you don't want to let the spill
the beans right away unless you say that
the discussion of whether yal did Chua
or not is dependent on whether you is
Jewish or not the opinion that he did
Chua is because he is Jewish the opinion
he didn't do do Chua perhaps is because
he's not Jewish so he can't do Chua even
if he tried so like he said but he had a
bris there are a lot of people in the
world that is have a bris today also
that doesn't make them Jewish he
had no he didn't know I was there I was
invited only uh yeah ym don't don't have
Priya now wasn't AB a the thir yeah on
him would he marry a woman that's not
good so we're going to discuss that
today we're going to discuss that let's
start from the beginning we go back to
Kar sorry we're still in
Kar
um and the PK says that elzar Abra was
looking for a wife for y so he sends
elzar and elzar brings a lot of
resources with him the
says the slave brings 10
camels from the camels of his master and
he
went with all of the goodness of his
master in his hands so the E elzar took
10 camels and all of the goodness of his
master in his hands meaning he took all
of y's possessions says Rashi where did
elzar get all this money from where did
get all this money from says
rash
Abraham wrote a document of a gift to
for all of his
possessions so that people should want
to give their daughter to marry him
because everybody knows that nobody
cares what the guy looks like nobody
cares what the guy's is nobody cares if
the guy has even a half a brain nobody
cares if the guy has a job nobody cares
if the guy has all his limbs all of this
is irrelevant the only only thing people
are interested in but does he have money
how many years he sat nobody cares as
long as he has money right so Rashi says
abrahamu Abraham ainu gave a gift to for
all of his possessions
why so people should want to send their
daughter to him okay so the
mrai has a a very powerful question on
Rashi the m m is probably the most
important commentary written on Rashi
reel
theim the raim asks what about the garus
doesn't the garas say that it is
prohibited to to
divert yamani from one son to another
son because even if one son is a sadic
and one son is a Rasha but you never
know who could come from the from the
son who who uh not leading a proper life
so there's a not only you're know to
take not only you're now to write in a
will you know I give all the money to Ru
the sadic and I don't want and shim the
Russ he's going to have only a tenth of
the money you know to do that now you
know how to do that during your one's
lifetime one is not allowed to give so
to speak excessive money to the more
righteous because they think you know i'
I'd rather he have and not fall into the
hands of the one who's Wicked you're not
supposed to do that not only you're not
supposed to do that you're not even
allowed to preside a Dian cannot even be
present when parents try to divert U
their assets to one child because this
is considered highly um highly wrongful
to the gar calls look at number four
the smart one sharp
one do not be present when there's a
transfer
ofha even from a bad son to a good son
why because you think he's a bad son but
his kid might be
the and then all the might come from the
bad son and the good son might not
produce good Offspring so the is you can
you got to keep it you know fair is fair
exactly
equal I only had one son
SOI how was Abraham allowed to give all
of his assets
to but isn't that a violation of
Al even though maybe wasn't a great kid
and he was a murderer and he was an
adulterer and he was an idolator but
nevertheless he is the son of Y the son
of
ab and what about
the
that's mha you hear the Kasha it's a
good Kasha how could how could AB do
that you're now to divert assets from a
good from a bad kid to a good
kid so comes
Angel one of the all-time great someone
who had Mastery
of n ldos calidos and he weaves it
all together if if you want an enjoyable
learn there's nothing more enjoyable
than learning this far RF
Angel RF Angel far are now being
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republished very beautiful s so Angel is
very intrigued by this question of the M
how could Abraham divert assets away
from is and give it
to
comes and he says I don't I don't
understand the question at all to me now
this is in
his okay so if you came down to this
world just to learn even one time atile
in the B sir it was a good trip it was a
worthwh it was a productive visit okay
says angel in his opinion it's not a
good question at all why cuz the gar
says why can't you divert assets from a
bad son to a good son because you never
know what will be from the bad son who
could predict what will be from the bad
son but that's if you're a person who he
could say about you who could predict
but what if you don't need to predict
because you're Nai and you know exactly
what's going to come of a kid like Abu
who knew exactly what was in store from
ISU knew
thatas the hoodis heah these are not
exactly B so knew that the only reason
you can transfer Yus a bad son to a good
son is maybe good will come from the bad
son but that's if that's because the
says
um a person doesn't know says but
Abraham knew so if Abraham knew he was
allowed to do
it but says
Angel still has a good question because
we're all familiar the
says that one day was deathly ill and
yes came to him and he
said you're a dead
man said why I'm such a sadic so yes
said cuz you didn't want to get married
he said what do you mean I don't want to
get married I
I'm going to have bad
descendants said none of your business
what you see in the future you do what
you have to do your Mitzvah is to
procreate God will worry about the
repercussions so what do we see from
here that a person is not supposed to
look into the future and say well oh I
see what's going to be in the future so
let me do things differently no you have
to do what's incumbent upon you what's
incumbent upon Abraham was to follow the
namely not to divert assets from a bad
son to a good son oh but he happened to
know that bad will come out of is but we
know from the that a person's not
supposed to make these calculations and
say well I'm not going to get married
because I know my descendants won't be
righteous you're not supposed to think
that way so likewise the m is asking how
is AB allow to divert assets from isma
to he should not be thinking about what
this what the future has in store but
then says ofel that's not a good
comparison at
all because has a Mitzvah of procreating
it's an outright obligation if you have
an outright obligation to procreate then
you can't say well I can't do it because
I know what the future has in store pal
you do what your obligation is and you
leave it to God to calculate the future
that's that's something we say when you
have an obligation a you have oated to
procreate and you can't you can't um
exempt yourself because you see the
future but Abraham doesn't have an
obligation to follow the not to take
money away from is and give it to is
Abraham obligated to follow this no the
Torah wasn't given yet Abraham as an act
of EX extra
righteousness abah accepted upon
himself not to violate the that's not an
obligation so maybe if it's not an
obligation it's just an extra righteous
practice then Abraham could make it
should make a well under these
circumstances I'm allowed to divert
money away from yes to because I give it
to bad things are going to happen in
other words the fact that the gamar says
I shouldn't make calculations that's
when to have an absolute butu did not
have an absolute to follow this
and then R Angel says
further what's the reason you have to
procreate answer is cuz God said so so
if God said so you can't start
calculating but the children are not
going to be
good but what's the reason you're not
allowed
to take money away from one K and give
it to to another what's the reason it's
a it's not a May the reason is because
maybe this bad kid will have righteous
descendants yeah but if I know he won't
have righteous descendants then the
whole reason doesn't apply so it's not
that you see from the garus that a
person's not to calculate the future
you're not to calculate the future when
you have an obligation that is incumbent
upon you and it's irrespective what the
future has in store but if the whole
reason for the AA is because you don't
know what the future has in store but if
I do then it doesn't
apply now saying look at a now look at
the now look at the now if he's good
he's bad so look at the now and deal
with that now oh you now yeah he was bad
right so your job is not to think about
maybe this going to be good see right so
right now he's bad so don't give it to
him because he's bad yeah but the gamar
says but still you shouldn't take it
away because maybe good will happen that
means you're thinking of the future no
you have to be concerned the gar says
you need to be concerned maybe good will
come out but we know not we know not
and then R Angel sort of opens this
whole the whole thing up for us he
says that I don't understand the M's
question M's question is how was Abraham
ainu allowed to take the assets away
from is give it to but you're not to
take money away from one kid and give it
to
another that's only when both of them
are Jewish and one is good and one is
bad you can't take away from one Jewish
kid who's bad and give it to a Jewish
kid who's
good but yesal are they two Jewish kids
says was an Israelite he was born from
Abraham is
Jewish is is a GU so the den that you're
not to take assets from a bad kid and
give it to a good kid that's if you have
two but if one's a is a then maybe the
doesn't
apply but
says
Angel wasal a
guy what is
yesal you ever wonder about that I never
even thought about that is is Jewish or
is is a so I want to share with you an
amazing
gamar what about asov was asov Jewish
or was as a guy
je
R RKO was Jewish was
she so the
G starts off saying that maybe was not
Jewish because the gar says that look at
number
six do Gentiles
inherit is that a good question
question do Gentiles have yusa so says
yeah I'll prove to you Gentiles havea
because it
says I gave harha to asov and asov was a
guy he was an akum he was a murderer he
was an
adulterer and yet he had yusha so it'sah
go have yusha says it's notah go havea
was as
a as wasn't a
he was a Jewish heretic so you don't
ever
proof as wasn't a go as was a Jew the
ran proves from here that this gamar
proves Abraham was Jewish because if
Abraham wasn't Jewish how is asov Jewish
in other words when did the Jewish
people start did the Jewish people start
on Hari or did it start from
Abraham this gar proves that the Jewish
people began from Abraham cuz if if asov
is a is mumar then must have been a
Jew says ofel if as's a Jew then isn't
is a Jew if asa's a Jew because he was
born from isn't is a Jew because he was
born from
Abraham so says
umel it would seem to me that just like
as's Jewish y's Jewish but listen to
this but
says
he says but even so I don't understand
the M's question cuz when the gar says
you're not to take money away from one
child and give it to another you're not
to take money away from a bad child and
give it to a good child that's when the
bad child is just bad he's a naughty boy
but if he's a mumar
he's then presumably you could take it
away from
an says my opinion if you have two
children if it's just a bad kid you have
to leave him with whatever he's entitled
to if he's uh mumar you're ala divert
the
yusha one had a different mother than
one had a non-jewish mother okay we're
going to come to that and also
was yeah he was or he just killed all
the
other well he
was
says the says he did five a
and right so that seems to
be yeah that you know he he seems to
have been
M
um
and angle it would seem to me listen to
this that yes as a is mumar Abraham
would have a right to take away
yusha and then he says something else
that's very interesting he says even if
yesma is a is meaning he's not sure if
isma has a status of of Israel but what
were his
wives there is no question his wives
weren't Jewish and therefore all of his
descendants were not Jewish and
therefore Abraham had a right to take
away and divert yha because even if isal
was like as and is mumar nevertheless
his wives were not Jewish when when when
did it flip from being following the M
maternal the mother has to be Jewish too
or it was originally the father had to
be Jewish not the mother or or when did
that whatever when did matenal descent
begin yeah that's a big
question it's a big
question the ran speaks about it at the
end of
Pas a kid he had a Jewish mother and a
gentile father and he cursed what was
his
status okay so so far it seems like
we're not clear we know that Asa has a
din of a Jew does is have a din of a
Jew would there be any difference
between yes and
is right now rle is not making any
distinction
whatsoever let's come to a tyus what did
mean when he
said what did he mean yes what did hasm
mean when he said that to AB take your
son your only son only son that means he
only has one
son but ABR says they're both my son but
hasem says you only Hashem said the one
that you love who knows better so AB
said I love both Hashem
said it so it depends according to Rashi
Hashem is agreeing to Abraham the way we
learned in the shear a few weeks ago
Hashem was telling him like you're
saying no he's not your son so it's not
clear how to read those words okay let's
examine this
further definitely is
Jewish feels is comparable to isav
although we did make a distinction we
we'll see there's more than one
distinction that you can
make there's a very
interesting
says so asks but it
says
are you going to
say but he was a murderer most of his
life
says so really he did CH so all of his
life was good yeah but that doesn't
really answer the question doing Chua is
only going to make it that you're not
going to be punished but the the reality
is for most of the life his life he was
killing so what good does it do yes that
he did Chua I understand he's a but you
can't
say you can't say his whole life was
equally good when he was sing a good
part of his life says he
[Applause]
did and a g that converts is like a
newborn
child what do you mean a g that converts
is like a newborn
child but yal was Jewish so what do you
mean he
converted
must be
says holds that when say that did CH he
didn't do Chua he converted he converted
to Judaism he was a his whole life
and when he did chuva he converted you
ever hear that's wild cuz until now
you're we always thought last week we
learned some hold he didn't do chuva
some held he did do chuva this week we
asked how could he do chuva if he's not
Jewish
but now we're learning the whole chuva
was not repentance it was
conversion and to says that's how his
whole life was good cuz when you convert
you're you're not responsible for
anything that happened early in your
life it's like you're born now so his
whole life is good because his life
began in the
end so says a little bit later on in the
B you know I always
wondered
is asov is a Jew who's a heretic is is a
Jew is a heretic or is he a go so you
say what would the difference be between
as and listen to what say what yeah
right the difference is you
ready right because they both have a
Jewish father so I would have said the
differences yeah but being a Jew is that
goes by your mother and ASV has a Jewish
mother and is presumably has a gentile
mother is asking what do you mean
married a shik was hugar Jewish that's
another question we have to ask cuz Aram
kept the whole tire before it was given
so if you're going to say y's Mother
wasn't Jewish then Aram married a
g but we're going to come to that
there's an amazing Mas okay but the
angle doesn't bring this distinction he
says you know what the difference
between as andal
is asov was born
from had a
bris Abraham was a Jew but when was
Abraham a Jew when did Abraham become a
Jew he was born a Jew he became a Jew
and he had a
bris but yish was born 13 years
earlier before is was born when AB was
86 AB didn't have a m until
99 so yal maybe is a guy cuz his father
was not Jewish yeah but abrah had a Mila
good for him Abraham became Jewish who
says is became Jewish about Jew
had maybe is became a Jew we just say
that no I'm he's a g how do you become a
g unless you unless you did what you got
maybe he went to the mikah later in life
we we only know he became a g because he
let y go before him that was much later
on when in order to become a g is there
a process besides do you need to get a
me yes then yeah but when y did the bris
he didn't he wasn't M
MIT when he when he mes back to you want
to know did he get bris by the when when
Abraham died and they were carrying the
coffin y said wait wait a second he
called up uh never this
1800 yeah I was going to say that but I
don't want to do it
on
he must have done yeah according
to I don't
know but he did he did Tru after AB
died so then doesn't matter okay we
discussed that last week he had to have
done Chua before abrah died because
Abraham
died so he must have done Chua while
abrah was still alive the bottom line is
the fact that to says that all of is's
life was good because G as gu
that implies is was not Jewish why would
he not be Jewish CU he was born to
Abraham at a time that Abraham did not
have BR we're going to come back to that
now
says I'm not convinced that just because
T says that the Chua of is was Gus it
could be it doesn't actually mean G
because we find in
the where he applies that
becomes like
an so we see you could use like these
this type of language
like even if you're technically Jewish
so he says I'm not convinced that just
because says that it means that is was a
gentile what's other Marisha
considered very tall religion wise
religion yeah what what religion was he
Ben Ben
yeah but he wasn't Jewish didn't he have
a he
wasad
yeah but he wasn't commanded to have a
breast and the says that when he ate
from the he
was he hit he hid
his now watch this and this is another
topic I want to talk about upcoming but
it's not necessarily about y but this
opened up my eyes because the gamar says
that why is a pig called a pig why is a
kazir called a
kazir because it will return to its
state of
kasas why what do you mean it will
return to its state of kasas it was
never kosher to begin with now I like
that GAR very much you know I had um you
know people very rightous
people who had valve
replacement and they use from aaz what
yeah right so so so Hashem made it that
don't worry one day it will it will
become
kaser but sayel what do you mean it will
it will be to its it will return it was
never kosher to begin with but if we
know that asov is compared to a pig and
if you take the gamar at face value that
asov was a Jew who became a mumar so the
pig will return to the original Kos that
asov was on originally that's the
meaning of the G but according to that
says he quotes from the
ofou ROV is from
the and ROV K says that if as will
return to his original status of
Kos that the this is like what the ran
said I I last week remember what ran
said last week that in the end of days
CH Rak couple says if as will return to
his original Kos the isim will return to
their Kos like in the beginning like
asov so that also indicates that isma
started off like a
Jew but now I want to bring to your
attention of what I think is a very
strong possibility that isal was never
Jewish
the mar asked an amazing
question did abam keep the tah before it
was
given
yeah kept everything
even in's tent he took a mat hard boy
old egg right he had a um what is it
called Football gilter Fish you know the
football fish he had it all going the
whole era of tan
process
question so had did I marry
haar as
Mar so you say but she was a sh he freed
her and freeing a sh she
converts says that doesn't do the job
because she's a mitus and a mitus you
can't marry for three
generations what even at that time abam
kept even future thing right he ate
matah because
took so how could AB marry a MIT you
have to say that it's not true that AB
kept the tah really says he only kept
the tah when he was
Jewish when did he become Jewish later
when he got a Mila but he married huggar
before he got
AA and in that case you don't have to
say he freed her and in that case he
could have married her as a Goya
and in that case is is not
Jewish asked yeah but once Abraham got a
says he married her be so even after he
got a mil he doesn't have to divorce her
he never would have taken her after the
mil but he married her before the mil
and if he married her before the
mil but kept the it's a ra but the poor
lady married him well he's going to kick
her out because of a can't do that to
her also she came back too she has a
different name so she's saying according
to that after he kicked her out how
could he take her back so did he divorce
her she came she came back later in a
different
way yeah but again she's still a MIT
have she's still a mitz though that's
the issue right she's still a MIT so I
would
maintain that it's not P another between
as and isma and that is asa's mother was
Rifka
so so he's jewish's mother was H yeah
but if AB married hugar obviously AB
converted her well not so simple because
even if he converted her she's still a
MIT so how did he marry her it must be
says before the he didn't keep the T So
then maybe he didn't convert her if he
didn't convert her then is is not
Jewish and somehow I think we all feel a
lot better if isal is not so how did he
do chuva so that's what I I let the cat
out of the bag in the beginning maybe
the opinions in the gamar that AB can't
save yes be obviously that is didn't do
Chua it's because he's not Jewish he
can't do chuva and T says he did Chua
yeah t says he
converted now
theel discusses a more of a
philosophical question whether he's
Jewish or not I want he says I want to
know did y start off a good guy or a bad
guy forget religion is
he is he or is he ra you said he was
called that sounds bad I'm not
responsible for what I say
right um param that's what the Tyra said
we're going to come to that soel says
there's interesting
Med four people were name before they
were
born
right and
schi that's sadim but are rotten from
the
womb so that sounds like the Yi saying
that he was a good guy he was really a
nice guy but he turned
sour however the P that we learned last
week that he's called y before he was
born CU he's destined to to oppress us
that sounds like he was rot into the
core
okay
now now let's end off with the following
interesting idea my son told me that his
rebi said it's from the gr I I couldn't
find that this attributed to the gr but
I I found others say this we know there
are four categories of matter
in
adamant things that
grow living
things speaking things right a rock is
a is something that
grows plant a is an animal living thing
anadra human being and the kar says
there's even a higher level is
is but the tell us in between the
various categories of of matter they're
like
Bridges so in
between inanimate and plant is something
called
Alim that they're somewhat inanimate and
they grow I don't know what that is it
may be Coral you
know I don't or or something of the sort
between plant and living things you have
something called
ad it's like an animal that's attached
to the ground grows from the ground
between animal and
man you have a k you know what a k is a
monkey and between a living thing and a
mad I'm between a living thing and a
mad between
um I'm sorry between a we said a and
what about between a m
and because we know the tells
us there's a a difference
between and there is a tradition that
the bridge
between
and
is
Isam they have like a qu
status you see we always until now we
said well
what's they're
primarily and they're the Adam type so
they were being classified as so to
speak perhaps less than less than Adam
no there's a tradition that they're more
than Adam they're between Adam and is
they're the category that Rivals is more
than any other category because they
come from they come from
which might be the source of their of
their uh jealousy in other words you can
only be jealous if you're close enough a
peasant is not jealous of the king it's
the minister that's jealous of the king
he's almost there in any event there's
such an idea that the per of is is the
bridge
between and is which might mean then
that maybe he has he's privileged to
certain things the same way he has
Mila maybe he has
chuva but these are some interest
interesting categorization exactly what
is the status of ismaile he's born to
Abraham before Abraham's Mila was his
mother Jewish it's not clear ASA we know
what he is as is mumar but we don't find
anywhere kazal calls is
is but Asel says that was himself but's
wives were
all and now
today what if at any time they were
considered they are far from that today
okay and the of learning about this
subject should protect us from all the
and all the and we should
be
that
when see the coming
of
Amen
okay