Was it an accident? How Living Lchaim Became the Kosher Netflix

To my knowledge, we're the biggest Jewish YouTube channel, which is like crazy. Like I grew up watching YouTube, so to see me as a YouTuber, like it's a little dream come trueish. >> None of your business, Oshi. None of your business, Michael. >> It's the None of your business podcast hosted by Michael and Oshi. >> Welcome back everybody to another inspiring episode of the None of Your Business Podcast. You like that one? >> Yeah, I love it. >> You went there. You went there. Let's go further. >> I had to. Well, uh, we're back and, uh, I'm your host, Michael Greenfield, joined with Oshi Schwarz. Thank you all for your subscriptions and your comments. We're loving the energy. We're loving the growth. And speaking of growth, we have with us none other than Reb Yakov Linger here in person. >> I like it. I have a question before we even start. Should I like ask questions also as we go along or do you want me to like be more just answering the questions? >> Well, I will say this. >> You're the guy with 1.4 4 million subscribers. So, as far as I'm concerned, it is an honor for us to be sing. >> Oh my gosh. I'm just a regular. >> So, you tell us how you want this to go. You You >> It's your It's your baby. I'll I'll >> Well, first of all, I will tell you that anybody that teaches me anything I call Reb. Okay. >> So, to me, just because you know basal meat and dairy doesn't mean that I look up to you, you know, and you get your certification as a rabbi. So, to me, someone who teaches me something as a rabbi, you taught me a lot. >> I I people don't know, I actually taught him all the um Yeah, it was great. you you picked it up very quickly. >> So you you were actually, you know, when when uh we came up with this concept of creating a podcast, I needed to call the biggest and best in the industry. And I called you. >> I was going to say like and he couldn't pick up. So 13 calls later, you're like, "Oh, Yak, why not? Let's do it." >> Why not? But we had a call and it was really it was great. I mean, you gave me a lot of strength and you also told me the reality of what it's about and um I really enjoy it. I I I enjoyed listening to what you said and I'm enjoying the art of learning how to listen which is which is something uh we're we're we both had a difficult time doing >> very gracious about it. Uh I was on that call as well and you were sort of preparing us for >> you guys are so nice. You literally paid me money for that time. I don't know if you remember that you paid me for it. >> You know what I respected that. >> Thank you. Like you give me all these things but like it was a transaction. >> I probably say this once every podcast. If you're good at something don't do it for free. I thought 100,000 was a big ass, but if you guys were ready to do it, I'm like, "Okay, let's do it." >> You know what? >> Going to put my kid to Yeshiva with that. >> We haven't made a payment plan. >> That's why I'm actually here like we have a we have a thing that we started that's uh what chatt says about you. >> Okay. >> And that's how we start our program for those that don't know you. You know, it says here, you know, I'm going to start with the last one. It says, "If you don't know Yakov yet, don't worry. After today, you'll realize you're basically living under a kala cover." That's, you know, >> okay, they got like throw in their Jewishness. >> Yeah, exactly. Like it learned. It got to know me after a while cuz you're like the seventh, eighth guest that we're doing this. Uh, >> I like that. >> Stick with Have you ever chated yourself? >> Um, like ask who Yakov Linger is. >> Yeah. >> I don't know. I guess that's like the new like did you ever Google yourself? >> I don't think so yet. >> Well, you know what? >> I've asked I have asked it like based on all the questions I've asked. I've seen this somewhere that like could you explain who I am to you or like what I'm doing right or what I'm doing wrong. The problem is I share my subscription with like a few people at living as well as my brother who's an attorney. So like it was like throwing in things like well you're a hardworking attorney who's also very into data. I'm like that's but it's like mixing up a lot of people. >> So you're saying similar to like a Netflix account you're sharing. >> Exactly. Oh of course of course you got this is this is the business related podcast we're giving. >> Absolutely. Yakob Blanganger is basically the Jewish media's world Swiss Army knife. He produces directs podcasts and somehow still finds time to be funny. Okay. >> Wow. Okay. That's that's the first thing it says. >> Do you consider yourself a good sense of humor? >> I think I'm a good sense of humor. I I don't get to use it so much on my podcast because I think it's become like more serious, but I think in my beginning years of podcasting, you'd hear a lot more humor. I appreciate I I love humor. I I do like comedy and stuff. >> Okay. We do too. And I'm glad that's where we're starting. He's the guy behind some of the slickest Jewish content out there. >> Sickest. If you've laughed, cried, or shared a Jewish video recently, odds are that Yakob had something to do with it. That's a great compliment. >> So nice. I really Thank you, Chachi. That's really Yeah, it's very nice. >> Yeah, >> you should have asked it like what are the faults of Yakanganger Chachi to like go crazy. >> Let me go back to that. I think that's a new tell us the worst parts about this person we're having on. Oh my gosh. >> Oh, you know what? Look, you know, it it just keeps praising you. I mean, to be honest with you, there's a lot to praise. you started something that when you started it, it was like a new phenomenon and it grew so fast and I really want to just get right into it. It it just keep I I can't keep praising you like this. I mean, come on. I don't want to get to your head. >> I think the just the most basic fundamental introduction is Yakov Langanger, as far as I know, is the largest from Jewish podcaster that's out there with the biggest following. >> It's crazy. >> It's unbelievable. Uh that's a major accomplishment. >> It's not just me though. meaning like living the I guess you know I did start it but like I look at it like my brother Ellie who's older than me is just as much with it as as I am and then we have someone on our team Yoni Schwarz and we have people so like it's not I guess it's like a a growth hack it's not just one podcast we have >> seven eight podcasts ongoing on our channel so it's kind of like I guess a hack we have like a bunch not just one but yeah to my knowledge we're the biggest Jewish YouTube channel which is like crazy like I grew up watching YouTube. So to see me as a YouTuber like it's dream come trueish. Yeah, it's crazy. >> It would give me so much anxiety to know that there's millions of people that are watching me and listening to every word. >> You don't like it? >> I I don't know. I have I don't have that experience yet. So I'm not sure. A part of me probably feels compelled to want it because it's exciting. It's great. I love to be out there. I'm the type of person I like to be the center of attention. I certainly don't shy away from it, but then there's that next level, that next level of millions of >> but it doesn't it feels to me it feels like I think Casey Neistat said that stat he said the first 10,000 subscribers or fans or whatever you want to call them is the hardest. And I think once you get past that it just doesn't feel real. Like literally on like someone outside, I forgot his name. He has like whitish hair but he doesn't look so old. He's like, "Oh, Yakalinger." And like he stopped me and to me it always feels weird. And I'm like, "Wait, people actually watch it?" Like, you see the numbers, but it doesn't feel real. I'm sure you guys have that also. Like, you're doing it. We're just in this room. There's four of us in this room. And then you'll meet someone, they'll be like, "Oh, I heard it." And you're like, >> it's like, "Yes, of course you're putting it out there so people could hear it." But it's just feels surreal that like, "Wait, there are actual humans." >> Stopped a lot. >> I get stopped more than I did 10 years ago. That's for sure. >> So, on a daily basis, >> I'm not Yako Schweki, but I get stopped a bunch. Yeah. >> And people recognize you. It's usually people that are not sure. I don't know what it is about my face. Maybe it's sometimes I have a beard, sometimes I don't. Sometimes longer hair, shorter hair, and they're like, they're not sure or maybe it's like weird to be like, "Oh, yakavinger." But yeah, they're like usually uncertain. Uh sometimes for my voice, it's always weird like I'm ordering something and they're like, "Hey, I think I know your voice." I'm like, my face is on the album artwork like But >> how does it make you feel when the >> It feels good. I like like you said, I like attention. I'm the youngest of four boys, so maybe I didn't get I mean, my parents are great. My mother's gonna she listens to everything. M I love you. Um, daddy, I love you. But, um, maybe I didn't get as much attention as I wanted. So, now I'm getting attention. So, it's great. I like it. I don't know. Some people don't really don't like the limelight. And I've learned that from experience. I've had some hosts of shows that we have that they're great by like um I'll give an example like one of our hosts, Yoni Klashek, of um That's an Issue. It's a mental health podcast. I would go to his Shabas table and he's he's a good friend of mine. So funny. He's he's an attorney. He's well spoken. But when it came to like when it comes to like just being out there, I took it for granted. I'm like, yeah, of course, like we I like attention. He does not like attention. So he's a great host, but he also like doesn't like being out there. So come to learn like, oh wait, not everyone's like that. >> I think the common denominator is that we're making an impact. And that really at the end of the day is the best part. I mean, do you get a lot of hate? >> Does that happen? I get a lot of not personal hate like from like pro Palestinian kind of that kind of hate like like literally millions of comments it slowed down as the war is just continuing. Um but personal hate not as much. I also I maybe I'm different. I don't really take it to heart. I I think I heard a quote from I think it was from Chris Voss. He's a FBI negotiator. He said, "Never take criticism or advice from someone that didn't succeed in that field." So, I always feel like if someone's coming at me online, it's not the same exact advice, but like I don't really know them personally. So, yes, if I got advice from my Rebby or criticism from my Rebby who like I really care about, I would take that to heart. But it's usually people I don't know. So, >> what what do we do about this anti-semitism on social media? >> I think I think it maybe I don't know. Again, I'm just like a random podcaster guy. Like I don't really know. I don't know history. Well, I think it's always been there and I think it's just now coming out, but like I think we were just like in this golden age past like 70 years of just oh it's okay, but like Raim were always like they really do hate us. I think they always hated us and now it's just like more out there. >> Um >> it's very tiring. I'm very tired from it from social media perspective. I mean, obviously it sucks, but um yeah, it's just tiring to go on social media and be like >> anything is just thrown out like on on Twitter or X. It's just >> And you see it all. >> I see a lot of it. Yeah, it's it's Yeah. tiring is the word that I I would use. >> So, Jacob, could we go back to not the very beginnings, but let's go back who you are, like where you come from. Yeah. From, >> you know, you're this uh Jewish boy, probably grew up somewhere in New York, I imagine. >> Yeah. and you made it big time. Uh you >> I really don't feel like that. >> I I'm going to say it. I'm as far as an observer like myself, I'm a casual fan of yours. I've seen your podcast. >> Thank you. >> Um and you just came out of nowhere and just like one day you're like this massive massive following which was a pretty big deal. Just walk me back to like when this concept even began for you of wanting to do a podcast. But go a little bit prior to that. Tell me a little bit about you, you know, growing up, married. Give me the give me the give me some of the flavor of what makes who makes Yago. >> I'll give you the flavor. I give you the spiel. I grew up in I was born 1992. Grew up in Flatbush in Brooklyn when Flapbush was the it place. I feel like now it's like kind of a little more out of town like. Um it was great. I had a great experience. Like I mentioned, I was the youngest of four boys. And my three older brothers are closer in age. They're all like two years apart. And then my brother above me, my brother Yitsy's four years apart. So, I was kind of like the younger one and and they were like going out to yeshiva. So, I got away with being able to um like watch more movies and and TV. Um so, I think for me that was the beginning of just training myself. I didn't realize at the time. I just enjoyed it of just getting good media and good content. Uh it it wasn't Jewish stuff. It was Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon and Disney Channel and whatever movies it was. And I think I got a a bigger exposure than the usual person to that kind of stuff. Again, love you, Ma. Um, but I think through that I it I I didn't know at the time. It was really training me to like I I didn't know I was kind of studying it because I wasn't I was just experienced it. And then as I was getting older, there's just this massive hole in I think the from community like we're so good at business. We're so good at learning Torah, but when it came to content, there was great like those audio perm story kind of stuff and and kunda like they were good stuff like that and some music like there's good music. >> Uncle Moshi >> Uncle Mosi, but like when it came to like Jewish content, I think it was always considered like in quotes user like the internet was user or movies were user. So I don't think we really worked on it or really progressed on it as a as like the orthodox community and there was just this massive hole. So I think what really helped the from community I guess accept it more is is the fact that like everyone was like yeah internet's user but everyone had the internet it's here you know it's here and then they they kind of realized like okay now >> and I don't blame the robot I think they just didn't realize what it was maybe same way like we don't really understand what like AI really is like I don't know what it's going to be like in 5 years so can't blame them in 1995 when the internet was just like coming out and email and uh all that kind of stuff so now it's like okay it's here and now like let's get filters, let's let's okay, nothing wrong with having the Chase app on your phone or ways it's a kind of a necessity at this point. So, the same way that that kind of shifted, I think social media helped shift. Um, but something that I was really so turned off from is there were people on I I'm not going to call anyone out like on Instagram and they were amassing a following and there's not one person in particular. There's a few of them and to me they weren't like and they're Jewish and they're kind of like distorting Jewish values and they were they are from people but like okay if you're not you know orthodox or religious and you're doing whatever you are doing on social media that's fine but when you're like saying oh I am from and I'm doing this and then they're like like starting to bash certain raim or trying to like just straight up say lash and har and just like just distort like what's normal I was like okay there's got to be something to be done because regular good people are starting like Hey, they're just these people on social media. They're louder and they're they're entertaining. So, they're getting a following. I'm like, we need to do something. >> And they're misrepresenting us, >> misrepresenting. And they're getting a following. And it's like now people are starting to get their in quotes do from like this crumb crooked person or people. I'm like, that's bad. So, I just started personally like posting on like WhatsApp status and Snapchat story. Um, this like right before I got married and and it was it was fun. I just enjoyed the storytelling of it. And I I I >> That was your first move was WhatsApp status and >> Yeah. Like hi. >> And when was this? Like what? >> This is 2014. This is 2014. >> Like 11 years ago. >> Yeah. I was Casey Neistat I remember was like just getting into YouTube vlogging. Like it wasn't even a thing yet. Um I remember following along uh Logan Paul and David Dori. Again, these are like big people in the non-Jewish world. And I thought like, wow, this is so entertaining. And it was like a shift for me. it was starting to like the first time I was like this is more interesting to me than than movies and TV which I I appreciated but like there's like that human connection and like I'm like I would love to have that in the from world so I kind of like start again I didn't want to be an influencer I think there was always like a stigma and I think there still is um but whatever I just started doing that >> you wanted your voice to be heard >> yeah I I wanted not even that I wanted to like storyt tell like I I loved I loved it growing up and I was like getting stories from movies and TV shows and and yeah, I wanted it to be a part of that. I I I was like kind of done consuming it. I wanted to now be providing it. >> And did you I'm just curious. You got guests at in the beginning when you started doing this like was there >> No, in the beginning it was more of like just me. I remember I would literally like I was very involved with Kai Lifeline and Camp Sima. So they're like do you want to go to Montreal for Shabaton? I'm like yes because in my brain it would be a good uh like Snapchat story content. >> Yeah. It would literally be good content. I say enjoyed it also, but like for me it was like I was just getting out to do stuff like every plane ride I remember like oh this is great content like going on a plane and >> it's all about the content. It's about the content. >> I actually enjoy that as well. I love traveling because I love looking for content like you know there's so much out there in the world. >> There's so much out there and and and life could be so boring and and it's good. the boringness at this point I'm like way more boring and I I don't like traveling anymore as much cuz I just got like so maybe because I'm outputting with the podcast so I like the travel part of it but but life could be so boring and there's so much exciting things out there and it's like people want to see that and people are hungry for that and I don't think there's enough Jewish creators out there really there's been a lot in the past 5 years doing good stuff but there's there's a lot of good out there >> I'm curious what you thought about when it came to your financial career and your future there's a lot of young people I speak to now that like want to start podcasts and you know build their brand and it's always a good thing to help build your brand but that if that's all you're doing making money from this is really not easy. It's very hard and I I I think I got very lucky that it's part of my parnasa. It very transparent. It is not my full parnasa. I do marketing for a law firm. Um and I do like marketing gigs and stuff like that. As time goes on, it does eat up more of my time. But Baram as living grows, there's more opportunity to make money. But I'm I'm by nature not a businessman. I am an artist. I love creating. And I think my brother takes on the role of like financing or figuring the finances of living. Um I really hate that part of it. But like as time goes on like barm there's more opportunity. But I would tell anyone watching at home kids like don't like people in there like I want to like make a parnasa from podcasting and like it could be a part of your parnasa but I like I'm surprised that the amount of money that it's making for me personally but even that it's not enough to support my family. like it's it's not and and barrage like if you want to be a oneman show and grow like we have people working for us so you need to develop a team and it I think it's impossible but like to answer your question I took a career test and the top career for me uh my friends always make fun of me it was a florist I'm like what I don't like flowers but like you like creativity and you like flowers and I don't like flowers but like you like like I I I don't know I I don't know I I think I kind of hear it but Yeah, my friends always make fun of me. They're like, >> "Well, perhaps creating content is like creating a bouquet." >> I guess so. I I don't really like flowers. Um, yeah. Yeah, I didn't end up doing it. But the second thing was was marketing and like advertising, which I do appreciate and I do like and that's kind of where my career got started off. Um, so I I've been doing that and I think I do use a lot of that for the podcasts. Um, I think a lot of it is marketing and branding and >> I like learning this about you. I didn't know you're doing marketing for a law firm. Yeah. Yeah. Morgan and Morgan. Um, it's >> Morgan and Morgan. >> It's Yeah. It's so not exciting, but I do a lot of what I'm doing for living for them like webinars and podcast. >> How long have you been with Morgan and Morgan for? >> I've been with them for four years. >> Good for you. I mean, their name is out there. >> Yeah. It's all because of me. No kidding. There there's this amazing Uda Applebam and and Ruie Mos like there's a lot of great people. >> What have you done to get their name out there? Like what's a proud moment? >> Yeah. I'm I'm less of like client facing and more of like other lawyer facing. Um, so I so one of their biggest attorneys, uh, Keith Mitnick, I help him with his LinkedIn and his newsletter and his emails and his podcast and his webinars. He's he's big. He's again in the in the law world, like people know him. In our world, like no one knows who he is. Uh, really talented lawyer and great guy. 65 years old, I think. >> Love that. Those are kind of people that we like on our podcast. >> Yeah, he's very well spoken. Yeah, he's great. He's too busy. He goes to trial. Again, this is I think is boring, but going to trial. Some lawyers go to trial like maybe three, four times a year. That's crazy. He goes to trial once every two weeks at least. >> I have to tell you, I've sat in a trial multiple times. Really? >> It's I think it's one of the most fascinating things to watch. >> Interesting. Yeah. >> As you were >> just go to one federal plaza, walk in and just walk into any courtroom that's active. >> People were able to go to the P. Diddy trial, which I think is like historic because how crazy the entire situation was. But like I saw someone on TikTok like you could just go like you have to get there on time. I feel like that's a crazy >> litigating is not an easy thing. I mean, >> you forgot to mention that you were on trial. >> I was on trial >> when you were at >> Oh, you were on trial. Okay. >> He was he was a defendant. He didn't say that part, but >> Got it. I'm definitely No, no, no. I wasn't suing. >> You're suing. >> No, no. He was joking. But he's joking. There has been a time though where our company was actually like brought into a trial when a patient uh passed away from choking on food. >> Oh my gosh. And uh they called us in as expert witnesses because we understand the world of procurement and supply chain and you know what kind of food product was it the manufacturer was exactly and uh you know so so I just I find that whole world fascinating actually so that's a guest that I would love to have like someone like that to just learn about that world and >> I I have a guest suggestion we can do it off here. He's in that world but he's always looking for things and he's so well spoken. Harry Rothenberg. >> Oh cool. Yeah he's great. I mean at the end of our program we do ask you to pick somebody. >> Okay. So maybe it's going to be cool. We got you once. >> Well, right now we have Yak Langanger, not Harry. So, we'll we'll put him aside. I want to get to know a little bit more about you. >> Sure. Ask >> and I want to go back again. U So, when was that first moment that you decided I'm doing a podcast or was that even the first thing or did you do something else prior to podcast? >> Yeah, sure. So, I made a a WhatsApp group. is called I don't remember exactly but it was like let's smoo or something like that with my wife and my friend Benji Winr who's a photographer great guy um and he's like very creative and and I said I I remember saying like I want to interview it was like Uncle Moshi and Yakov Schwaki and like Rob Eton Feiner I said we see all these people and I would love to just smoo with them like get to know them cuz no not for like the art school book about their life after 120 or not for like one of these like radio shows where like they're promoting an event coming up like you're here to promote the event like I actually want to get to know them and that's where it started but of course like I was just busy and like it just didn't you know manifest and then um Nahi Gordon reached out to me like 2 3 months later said he wants to do a podcast for meaningful minute and the rest is history. I'm like, >> so he was already Nah Gordon was already podcasting. >> He wasn't podcasting yet. No, he he wanted to make something called the meaningful minute podcast and >> Oh, so that was his creation, his idea. >> You want to do meaningful minute? And then I'm like, well, I I don't want to just interview the Rabonim that are, you know, creating these like short videos. I mentioned the idea and then kind of like fuse it together the idea of like >> awesome great people and also like people that we all know, but like for me, Uncle Mishi, I don't know why I'm like I really want to get to know him. Um, yeah, that's that's where Meaningful People. >> So, the both of you decided, let's do it together. So, you guys became co-hosts. You guys were partners. Yes. >> And you started that podcast and it was called Meaningful People, I think, right at the time. And how long did that go for? >> I did that for I don't remember exactly. It was like I think around two years. >> So, for two years. >> Around two years. Yeah. >> And who who's getting the guests? Like who was you know who's doing? >> Uh, I think we both we we were it was like a partnership. We were both doing it. >> And you guys were alone. So, you were hustling it out. You guys didn't have a lot of resources, I imagine. >> No, not so much. But >> you were doing a lot of the editing, producing a lot of >> I think the most annoying thing about that process was this was in 2020. We actually started in 2019, but in 2020, I whenever I would reach out to someone, I would have to explain what a podcast was. And they're like, >> if they were like more likeish, they would be like, "It's a share." I'm like, "No, it's not a share." And they're like, they're like, "Is it like Oprah?" Like the other side, they're like, "Is it like Oprah Winfrey?" I'm like, did no one know what pot like I did not realize how few people knew what podcasts were? Yeah. >> Um, some people did, but most people I had to explain what it was >> and they >> it was a challenge. >> It was a I remember with Rav Gavi's like a revy of mine and like >> Where was your studio? >> It was on Central Avenue. >> So you had a third party place where you both went to and that was not not >> It was No, it was Naki's office. That's where we did it. Oh, in his office. It was in his office. Yeah. >> And that went for two years. >> It went for two years. >> How popular did it get at that point? >> It got very It was It was so popular. Um, but I think it was also like there was barely any competition. Like there wasn't so many. I remember the the the for me the first Jewish podcast was forgot his name. Rabbit Kuriloski. I forgot his name. Really awesome. He's in the K world. It's called Jewish I think that's what it's called. Like he was he was doing it for like two years before that even. Um and I listened to some of the episodes. I'm like oh it was great. Um, but aside for him, I mean, there were there were I don't remember who was at that point, but but I I always remember for me like the big shift for me was like it was always like, okay, it was great and and I was doing that and I was I was working as well. Um, and I remember telling my wife like this is like I I I just like it's two full-time jobs. Like I can't do it. And at that point, I'm like I had the idea for Kosher Money. And my wife's like, "You're crazy." And I'm like, listen, when I first started this, it was so hard. But like, as time goes on, it's a muscle. Like, it gets it does get easier. I'm sure you guys could relate to that. Like, between episode one, >> I hear from people all the time that they see a difference in the later episodes versus the earlier ones because like anything else, you got to master a craft. You got to learn it. Repetition always helps. Uh, practice makes perfect, >> literally. >> Um, and I look back now at our first few episodes and I cringe. >> Yeah. Yeah. But, but it's if you're not cringing, it means you're not improving. Like, you're just doing the same exact thing. and cringe. Like that's And even in 2 years from now, you watch this one, you should cringe. Like I think it's a good thing. >> But yeah, so I just Yeah. I'm like, listen, I've been doing this for long enough and like it was just it was clear that like and I I had an idea for Kosher Money and that's an issue and and a podcast for women with I had the idea of Charlene Amoff, but and and my wife's like, "You're crazy." I'm like, "I think I could handle it." And slowly but surely, it's it's Yeah. So after your two years, you parted ways with with NI. He continued to do meaningful work >> and I remember at the time it was so hard for me cuz like for me at at that point I did not have children yet. So for me it was like it was my baby. It was it was so my baby and like had to like like you put in all your effort into something and like to give it up it was it was very difficult. >> And you gave it up simply because you wanted to shift and do it something different. It was like it it it was a great experience, but at the end of the day, like we're two different minds and he's great and like he had his vision, I had my vision and it w we would always I think you could listen to it. We would always have like just different creative ideas. So for me it was it was clear that like it it wasn't we were not going the same direction and it was very hard and and to the credit of a lot of friends and family, they're like I'm telling you like you yeah you could start at zero but like you'll you'll be good. And it was just very hard to like really just also like part of it was like part of my identity >> course. One of the biggest things about divorces is the shame that comes along with it is the people around you. You're afraid of what they're going to think. You know, are they going to look at me as a failure because you know and that's probably something that was going through your mind. >> Yeah. I I want to be clear. Anyone goes going through divorce is way harder. It was so much easier. But but there are there are similarities for sure. Um yeah. >> Yeah. You in some ways may have even had it harder than divorce. >> I don't know. a lot more people who knew you, a lot more people who knew about you. >> Ending a partnership is very similar to >> but it's also it's complicated because like you put so much like work into it and then it's like now all of a sudden it's like my competition. So it's like it's like you're building up like this I don't know like samurai and now it's like now you have to fight your samurai like in a way again I don't look at it like that. Um but but it was it yeah but >> and was it was it smooth? Did you guys figure it out or >> Yeah, we figured it out. >> Was there complications? You have to bring in a third party to help you uh figure stuff out. >> No, I I know we brought in Rabbon just to like be you know be yar and but I think it went as well as it could have. Okay. Um but it was for me it was very exciting that the fact that like I I finally like had it was like I was training I guess myself to like understand podcast and like I finally got it and now like kosher money and like a mental like a show just dedicated to mental health that's an issue like it was very exciting for me and then like also also starting my own show like inspiration and I always I always liked this like one-on-one energy um not that twoonone's not good I think twoon-one is more fun more exciting Um, but I >> lose a crowd. >> Yeah, exactly. But like I think oneonone there's there's a you could get deeper and it was something I was yearning for. So I was very excited for that kind of experience. Um, and yeah, at that point I remember I came up with the name Kosher Money for my brother for my brother's podcast. Um, and my brother came up with the name inspiration for the Nation for my podcast. So like >> interesting. >> I like kosher I think kosher money is a better name than inspiration for the nation. um just smoother and just like just two words. But um >> what does he do? Your brother doesn't >> My brother does marketing. He does marketing. He does marketing. Yeah. For It started off for for supermarkets in the food industry, but like now he's expanded to like a lot more than just that. >> Yeah. >> Well, in hindsight, you both really ended up becoming very successful. Yeah. So, makes this whole thing, you know, even more beautiful. Um, and also you guys were at the perfect time in the marketplace where there was a need for podcasts like this, like you said, in our communities. So, you it was very easy to split up and each go their way and and there's room for everybody. >> It's not like you're in a crowded field and like to start over is going to be very difficult. A lot of competition. You guys were in a nice position to to be able to do what you guys did. >> And I think I I I I see I still see it as like whenever there's like a new podcast, like I think there's such a need for more podcasts. There's there's so many from Jews and there's so many Jews in general. I think there's a lot of people who are not from who are watching these tweak their own way of doing it and like I I I think there's going to be a lot more shows. I think a lot of shows start and then just quickly fade, right? >> Um but I I think there's going to be a lot more shows and even like the kids who are now like 15 years old, 20 years old, like they get the space even better than I do. Like they're going to they're going to like skyrocket. >> I'm curious. you you you helped launch kosher money inspiration and doing other projects. Is there a category for podcasting that you think is needed? I like what you're saying in terms of and I was always thinking is there a need for more podcast? There's so many and you're saying obviously that there is. Is there a category just like you're saying mental health was something is there a new category that you're saying you know somebody should do something about this? >> Well, Michael, if there is he's going to do it. >> Yeah, I'm working. I'm always Well, why do you think I'm asking? >> He has a channel. He's got what else he's doing. multiple multiple something that you want to do that you're not going to get to and someone else can do it or you know someone else is >> Yeah. Um so yeah I I think in the relationship space there's there's a not a lot needed and like again I don't want to give away too much someone who I highly respect and I had on my show and I I personally again I don't think everyone agrees but like for me personally I said that's person's in the top three podcasts. It's not even like one of the ones that did big numbers, but I thought the information there was so valuable. Um, so like yeah, I I think in the and I think that our podcast on relationship >> let us know who that was. >> I don't know. I don't want to give it away. I I'll give it away. Reuvian Epstein. >> Okay. >> Reuvian Epstein. He's been on the show twice. Once with his wife, once without. And I I highly highly respect what he's doing for the rel relationship space, whether it's single people dating or it's people in a marriage for 50 years. I think he's the Steve Jobs of the from world of relationships. >> And and I don't even necessarily think it's going to be like our biggest podcast, but I think it's so needed and and I'm at I'm at the point where it's like and maybe it will skyrocket and get a million views. I don't think it will. But I'm also at the point of like Box, we have the shows that are doing great numbers. And then there's shows that maybe they're not getting crazy numbers, but it's so needed. Like one of our shows, um, it's called podcast therapy with Dr. Z, with Dr. Schlamy Zimmerman. It's a call-in show. People call in and they call and we use AI to like mask their voice and they talk about the struggles or the challenges they're going through. I kid you not, I every single f person is going through something and sometimes it's like clinical and sometimes it's not clinical but like I think we all think like oh I'm the only one dealing with anxiety, depression or whatever it is or or their spouse is dealing with that or relationship like and we're having so many people call in and so many people listen to it. Again, it's not it's a audio only. is no video. So when there's video, it's easier to like share around in clips and YouTube. But I'm like, it's so needed in our community. And I think this relationship one with Rabbi Ruv is going to like really be so necessary. >> Amazing. You have a name for yet? >> Um, no. I was like joking like it's a bad joke, but I was like joking that it should be like Epstein's Love Island. Um, like double joke over there, but but that's a complete joke. We're not I think you should do that. >> It's It's like Yeah, it's a joke. I don't know. Yeah. I also like we're we're working on like a few different things. It might not just be one show. It might be a few different things. Um but that will definitely 100% not be the name, but that's like the the joking name for it. >> I like that. I like the idea of relationship and and focusing on that. I think there's parenting is another big one in general. >> So, uh I think the U I don't think they still do it. They came to me and they really wanted a like I have that all the time. So many people come, they want a show under living and I tell everyone, you don't need me. Like if it's going to be a good show, you I I promise my YouTube channel like if it's good, it will skyrocket. It has nothing to do with my channel. And like I'm not like I'm saying that as like advice. Like it's not because I'm trying to push them away. Um but the U came to me and they mentioned they want to do a parenting podcast. I forgot the fellow from it. Um great idea, but I felt it was just too niche. I said you should do it again. Don't do it under me, but it's so niche. Yes. every parent should listen to it. But I think I don't know. I I just think th those who really want that information, they're looking for it, but there's so many people that unfortunately they're not looking for it. >> I'm curious. You're doing inspiration stuff, relationship stuff, and a lot in the Jewish religious. >> Money stuff. Yeah. >> Money stuff as well. Is there someone that you can't get on the podcast that you would love to have? Like, oh, it doesn't fit really with my, you know, like you said, you know, um Casey New for example, it wouldn't really fit with your program. >> Yeah. I It's funny. I I have it didn't come up yet, but I have the opportunity to to rap fill in with him and I just want to meet him because to me he's he's he's like uh you know YouTube hero of mine. Um obviously my rebon are my real heroes, but I'm saying in in that world I'm like he's my rebby of YouTube. Um but I don't Yeah, I he he got very vocal after October 7th being like a proud Yid. Um but yeah, I don't think it really fits for me. It's always about >> Who is this? >> Casey Neistat. >> Oh, you're talking about Casey. I'm talking about Yeah. Oh, it would be Oh, you're agreeing with me. Yeah. Yeah, I think but I I to me >> I don't know who that is. Okay. >> He's a YouTuber. He's been living under apolog He really he made an It's so funny his story. His story is he made a YouTube channel so he could so he could sell his app, meaning sell it to people. He had an app. It was called Beam where you basically social media without looking whatever. It was a terrible app. But he started this YouTube channel because of it. and his YouTube channel blew up so much that CNN bought his his app just so he could they could get like his contacts and they bought it for a ridiculous amount of money and he basically has been retired since. >> Very big. Stephan, how how big is this guy? C A S E Y K. >> How did I never hear of him? >> He's uh he's really out there. >> Stephan's like your Jamie for like >> There you go. He's shaking his head. Yeah. >> You know, I was at a barbecue um a couple weeks. I >> think it's like 12 million YouTube. >> A couple weeks ago. There he is. By the way, you ever seen his face? You ever seen his face? >> I have not. >> No. Okay. I have not >> proud yet. Proud yet. >> Interesting. Yeah. All right. You know what? So, if you can't get them, I guess we're going to have to get them. >> No. Yeah. Oh, you should totally I So, yeah, I was going to say like I we get back to your barbecue story. I haven't forgotten about that. But like the for me it's it's really about the audience. There's so many people I want to interview, but if it will it fit with my audience. That's what I mean. Yeah. >> Sometimes sometimes um I'll interview someone that I don't have any personal interest in, but I know my audience will or sometimes it works out that I also want to introduce them. I'll tell you, I I emailed the guy the uh Hey, Jewish people. That guy. >> Yeah. Yeah, sure. I have his number. I could >> And he was going to come here and do the podcast and a week before you had him and I'm like, "All right, kudos to you. I know how it works. Anybody can get him." >> First of all, I I did a video with him. It wasn't a podcast. You should totally have him. He's great. And he's blown up since. >> Yeah. Yeah. We're going to have him. He's a fun guy. I remember we >> He doesn't I feel like you don't know. >> No, you know who's this? It's another >> I feel like we have to explain every like Reba. You ever hear Labra? You're like a beer. I got roasted already last week from the other guest. >> So it means you're not on social media too much. >> No, I am on social media a lot. Yes. I don't want to social media in this space. Maybe not. >> But I also like to see you watch certain things. I guess you know I'm not and our interests don't always align. Michael and I, we don't quite have very different stuff. I'm as big into music as he's into sports. >> I just want to tell you this. Two weeks ago I was at a barbecue. >> Not into sports or music. Okay. >> And uh a friend of ours, this is in the group, one of the friends made a comment. Somebody said mentioned Mr. Beast or something like that. And somebody said, "Well, who's who's Mr. Beast?" And we all stopped. We thought he was joking. And he's like, "Who's Mr. You don't know Mr. Beast?" >> Um the guy that you know has like I don't know the most YouTube followers in the world. >> Yes. >> Um like you could not avoid him if you tried. Like you can't walk 10 miles. >> The guy has seen something from him. He just doesn't even realize that. >> He's like, "No, I never." And we kept trying to describe him, you know, and and nothing nothing was sticking. And he's a pretty cultured person. Yeah. you know, uh, he's he's very aware. It's not like he's not like living on a rock, right? Out of all the things, this is something very strange that he didn't know about, and I was shocked by it. >> It just happens sometimes people just lose sight of something that's very popular out there. And it happens, >> you know, it's not surprising because there I mean, obviously, he's the biggest, but there's so many people that are I know on YouTube, right? They have like 10 million, 12 million followers. That's significant. And it never crossed my path. Like, let's say I'm not into sports. you just mentioned. I'm sure there's there's YouTubers out there that are the biggest sports like people and you probably like it's in your orbit so it comes up but for me it never comes up in my orbit. There's I don't know 8 billion plus people out there. So it makes sense that in his world he just it just never came up. It just >> I'm curious if it's not music and it's not sports then what is it? What is what are your vices? What do you follow? >> I love it's so nerdy and I was into it before the movies were I love superheroes. >> Okay. >> I love superheroes. I'm a big superhero guy. >> So, who would you love to interview then at this >> from superheroes? No, I know. For me, it's just like I I like I like that fantasy of like getting away and like powers. I don't know. Yeah, it's very nerdy of me. But >> is there a part of you that perhaps regrets a little bit? I don't think you regret it too much, but maybe even a little bit. Once in a while you think about it. Your podcast, what you're doing now, it is very inspirational, and you do have some incredible people who come on to your podcast with amazing stories. Um, and it's very insightful and and inspirational and it helps people and it's beautiful what you're doing. >> But I'll be honest, I'm I'm not the greatest person. So, I I like to also be self- serving, you know, for I love helping people when I have the chance to, but a little me time too always helps. >> And if I would be doing that, like I I would sort of get bored of it a little bit after a while, like I need some entertainment. I need some I need something more. Do you feel like you're >> interesting question? >> You're in your lane right now. this is what you're doing and and this is it. You know, it's going to be hard to sort of deviate from that. Like, you know, go into like I told Michael when I agreed to do this podcast, I said, I I don't want it to be about something specific. I don't want to have certain type of guests on because then I'm going to be locked in. I'm in that box now and that's what I got to do and I want to be spontaneous. One day I want to talk to this guy, I want to talk to that guy about different topics. So, do you feel like you're in a certain lane in a certain corner and it's hard to get away from that now >> or do you feel the need to like you want to? The answer is yes and no. I I saw a quote from Walt Disney that I like Michael Scott and made it into my own quote, but I shifted it a little. Walt Disney said, "We don't make movies to make money. We make money to make movies." So, I love that idea and I passionately feel that I don't make podcast to make money and make money so I can make podcasts. So, I genuinely love the podcasting. Um, and I thought I'd run out of people to interview who like have an inspirational story. And it could be inspirational because like uh his friends now like a real he got run over by a train he wasn't from. Legs got chopped off and then he like had a conversation with Hashem and now he's from like crazy stories. And then a story about a girl who her parents got divorced and her mother's not from anymore. And to me that's also very inspirational. Like I don't run out of it um of like just being into it. I I genuinely really really love it. But there is a point of like okay I've been doing it kind of like I was mentioning before the muscle like when you're lifting you know weights and it's just 10 lbs or 100 pounds whatever it is after a while your body gets used to it and it kind of it does get a little boring. So for for me the way I go past that is create more shows and create more things and create more ideas. Like for me like podcasting is one of the things that I am doing now. Um, I I really want to the next step or the phase of living the is to create something that's very Torah based. I think there's a lot of great Torah uh programs and things out there, but um I personally grew up in a world where Torah was was very pushed on us. I think like many of us and as I got older and really really appreciated the wisdom and and just the way Hashem looked at the Torah and created the world and like how it has everything in it and I've seen that like not every person giving over a shir is created equal. Not every piece of Torah is created equal. Like I'll find more interest in Agamara and you'll find more interest in Na'vi. So I really think um technologically we could really do way better with that. So that's like my next huge project and for me it's like okay everything I've learned from living on podcast world or YouTube world till now is just trained me for that world that I don't think exists yet online. So I'm excited for that. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> By the way and Naki both like they're taking their platform and they're using it for good. Like I I think me and you Michael we would waste it. like you know we would you know we'd probably do a little bit of good and you know but you guys are like thinking bigger and bigger and you want to do things that's surrounding around around Torah which is a beautiful thing and I love the way you're you're talking uh like Naka was talking about just digitalizing like an entire environment of content that's available for kids that they should be having what to watch because at the end of the day they're all going to watch stuff and that's unavoidable. So at least let's give them something they can get behind that could be educational and it could be within our within our values. >> I I tried not I I I haven't given up on it. One of the rungs of the things I was doing cuz I thought I'm doing living the next was kids. So I started a show called the ventures of Zev and Zadei. It's a podcast audio only and I do it together with my friend Yity Ingber and it's great and and I think there's a need for it and as we're seeing like I don't know all the names of it. Um, I don't even know the names of it, so I don't want to like say the wrong name, but there's a lot of like websites and apps out there that like are for kids content, but it's so hard to do it. Like, I don't know if there's a way to do it like from a monet and maybe they're pulling it off, but like it's so hard to do. Like, I lose money on Zevian Z. And again, I'm going to continue doing it. Literally, I was up until 3 last night just writing a script. And I've tried paying people to write the script. It's just not the same. Um, but it's Yeah, kids content is hard. But yeah, as time goes on, I think there will be more and more of all of this. >> I'm curious, when you started this uh journey of, you know, on your own, so to speak, did you have a mentor that someone like, you know, that you went to for guidance that you went to that uh >> Yeah. So the answer is yeah, but not in the mentor kind of way that that you like for like the technological standpoint for that. I was like very clear on like my vision for it, but I really relied very heavily on my RV of Mati Nubberger. Um there was just a lot of questions and like questions and kind of directions what to do and how to go about it and like also just be sensitive to the industry. Um so I really really leaned on him. Um I also them like titles and names and and kind of getting their feedback. Um but I I think I yeah for me it was is really just putting myself in the shoes of someone like I I'm my own customer. I'm my own audience. Like I I want good content. I want and from from awesome good Jewish people. So I'm like, "Okay, how could I create that for for me?" Of course, I'm just one person. There's a million from people. Are there a million from I don't know how it works. Um but but yeah, just as time goes on, it's it's >> Speaking of sensitive, you know, Chachi PT said earlier, I forgot exactly how it said it, that uh you know, if you've laughed or cried or shared Jewish video, has there been times that you're interviewing someone and you're actually crying? >> Yeah. all the time. I'm very um I'm not an emotional person, but in in the moment like when I'm interviewing someone I meant easily like with hostages or like someone when someone brings up their kids or losing children like I I I mean I leave it. I'm not ashamed by it. Like I'm proud of it. Like I'm crying. I'm not like crying, but I am like you'll see my face. And I uh recently Yes, I interviewed someone Kanan Alz his wife was on the way to give birth and she was murdered. And then in the end, his baby also didn't make it. Uh I'm it was it was the week before. Whatever. It's people are like, "You're insensitive. Why are you interviewing him now?" I'm like, "I don't want to interview him now." His his family wanted it now. Um but I I was just I the entire time crying and this guy's talking about a moon and missing his wife and it was Yeah, it was I >> I can't watch that stuff. >> No, it's too hard. I can't watch that stuff because it makes me realize that I I probably say this way too often, but I don't think I'm the greatest person. You know, I think I'm I'm just okay at best. >> But then you see people like this. He just lost his wife, his child in the most horrific fashion. Yeah. >> And then weeks later, they're talking about their faith reinstored and how, you know, they're going to and they're trying to be strong for people around them and they're trying to inspire others around them right now. And I'm like, what is this person human? Yeah, this is this is what I should aspire to be because I'm way off from that. >> Yeah, I think you're you you uh like beat up yourself a little too much. The answer is that person for whatever reason, Hashem is testing them and Hashem shouldn't test any of us, but he's going through like the hardest test and thank God you're not going through that test. But you're you're you're supposed to be you. You're not supposed to be him. >> I understand. But I'm saying that don't show that kind of fortitude in the religious aspect of things as he is right now at the moment in his most vulnerable state. It's just amazing. It's unbelievable. I'm I'm really impressed. Right. But it does remind us that we have it too good. We have it very good. We have to be thankful. Very thankful. >> Who was your um best guest? Like who was not your biggest guest? Not your best. your biggest that really produced the wildest numbers for you? >> Wh So you're asking the best or you're asking which one did the best? >> There's so many ways to ask that question. >> Let's go with this. Which one did the best? Which one did numbers >> on kosher money? Um is a great lesson to show like I don't know anything. My brother was like doing these on the street bits. This is like three years ago, four years ago. It was like before on the street bits were a thing really. and his idea going out and just interviewing people, money related stuff. I think it was Tiny Kaepernick or or maybe someone else like saw this woman, a bubby in like this purple coat and purple everything. And he's like her, we need to interview her. My brother goes over to her and she's like the classic Jewish Bubby. And my brother's like, I'm telling you, like this is going to be a kosher money episode. Like we interviewed her for like it was supposed to be a minute or two, but he interviewed her for like I don't know 10 minutes. And he's like, "I'm telling you, I'm turning this into a kosher money episode." And I told my brother Ellie, I'm like, "Ellie, this is such a bad idea, but who cares?" Like, "Okay, we let's experiment. We always love experimenting, but this is going to get like 2,000 views. It has like 2.1 million views. It is our highest viewed video." >> Oh, yeah. I saw that video and I loved it. >> She's great. And and and even like I even saw it and I'm like, "This is good, but like no one's going to care." And I was totally wrong. And it was like it was our literally our biggest hit, at least on the long form. Um, and I was just so wrong. So, I happened to fight with my brother a lot. We're very close. I'm close to all of us. When I say fight, like we never like actually fight about real things, but like ideas wise, I'm very stubborn. I'm like I'm usually I think I am usually right, but I am sometimes so wrong. So, like I always like humble myself and be like, he has an idea like maybe it's gonna work. >> He's on to something. >> Yeah. I >> I just want to make sure I understand this. So your brother Ellie does the kosher money. You do the inspiration for the nation. Yeah. >> And how did that happen? Does did he start after you? Did you bring him into this? >> Yeah. So I was I was doing I was doing meaningful people at that point and then uh the first one that I want to start was kosher money. My brother wanted to do a business related podcast. Um but I'm like Ellie you don't listen to any podcast. He's like okay so who cares? But I'm like I have an idea for you. It's not business related. It's in that realm. But I would love to do is after I interviewed Napali Harowitz, which to answer I guess the first part of your question for me it was like my Napali Haritz is my favorite persona online because he's this bubb guy originally and he uh made it big. He does investment banking and he's so good. But he talks about like what true success really is and he's so well spoken and he is such he basically to me he's a walking muser safer and he's so good at talking and he has everyone listening and he's so good. So that's where the idea of kosher money came. Um I went to him and I said I've been listening to Dave Ramsey. Um he's a uh adviser for he's the biggest adviser in America um for non-Jews. And I'm like he's great but like he's talking about like if you're living in middle America making $50,000 and you have one kid you're good to go. If you have $50,000 in New York and seven kids you are >> in poverty. Like even even making $200,000 like it's it's crazy. So I told him I would love to create a show around him like he's the new Dave Ramsey. Um he said the problem is Dave Ramsey very into budgeting. He doesn't budget. Um I said what do you do? Said I just make more money than my wife spends. I'm like okay I hear that. He said I'm also too busy. He is a very busy guy. Um but he said speak to Zevy Wulman at the U. They want to do something. So I spoke to Zevy and I said okay um I would love to create a show. Um but not he doesn't want to do it. He'll be a guest on it but my brother really wants to do a podcast. And that's where Kosher Money came to be. Um yeah and been doing it since. Um, and if Tali's been on it, working on like a spin-off kind of show with him. Um, hopefully not necessarily about money, more about like success and Muser. But >> yeah. >> So, are they are they separate podcast? Like you you own Inspiration for the Nation. He owns social money. >> First of all, it used to be an LLC, but I dismantled it. It's a nonprofit now. Uh, because I think by the nature maybe I'm making a mistake, maybe Netflix will buy it one day, and now I can sell it to them, but I'm sure you can figure it out. Um, it's a nonprofit because I believe in like everything we're putting out like my goal is every podcast should really help someone live a better life. It's not I'm not really again it is entertaining, but I'm not there for entertainment. I'm really there to help someone just get a better perspective on their life or really financially figure out their whether they're making a lot of money or they're making no money like kosher money is there for them or the mental health or the Jewish gram or whatever show that we're having. Um, so living is kind of like Netflix. Netflix is not a show. It's a place where you could see multiple shows. So that's what living is and we have a board. So technically I don't even own it. And then there's inspiration for the nation. There's kosher money. There's that's an issue. Podcast therapy, Jewish grandma, zean zadei. >> So you're starting to one or two that I'm forgetting. I feel like my kids I'm forgetting. Oh yeah, we're working on three other ones now. >> You're trying to build a real media platform. Yeah. uh you have a bunch of stuff that's that's going in there. You know, once you have over a million followers, I the options are really open for you. >> Yeah. >> I mean, you can start really doing things and making money. And that is not what you're focused on. >> No. And I think >> and I'm I don't know if I should be disappointed in you >> or if I should be impressed by you, but I think you got to >> I'm doing the Mr. Beast model. I I really think Mr. And I know Mr. Beast is where he is because he just doesn't not he doesn't care about the money. I'm sure he's a human being, but he just invests it back in. He genuinely really cares about Again, I I'm not sure I'm sure we'll hear a podcast one day about like his relationship with his father. I think his father like walked out on him. So like maybe that's where he's like I don't know where it's coming from, but he's really just by nature just loves it. And that's why again I don't know is exact like his net worth I think is a billion dollars. Again, I don't think he has a billion dollars, but his empire what he's built it's it's because he just passionately just cares. And when you do that, just more money comes follows. >> Yeah. So I I am so if I I if I went back to myself and just showed myself like how much money we're getting from YouTube a month, I would be like I would never believe it. Um but it's just going and as I go just >> Is YouTube the only platform that's paying you right now? Do you have anything? >> We make money in three ways. >> Uh the least way we do is cuz I'm just not a fundraiser is we are a nonprofit. People could donate living.com/donate. Um I I only really lean on it. It's like when we make we put out a free Tishaba film, it cost me $30,000 to produce and it was free. Um, and it's amazing because it's free. It's not because it wasn't good. It's just because I just don't want to charge for it. Um, so there I like I don't have I mean we have money but it's like going towards other projects like so I do like fund raise for them but generally not. Uh, the second way is through YouTube. That's our big like second biggest uh source. And then our biggest way is through our advertisers like Twillery and Kabad and Bitbean that Bar they're sponsorship. Actually, speaking of which, I have a surprise. >> You have a you have a sponsor? >> Yeah. >> Heck yeah. Let's promote them. >> Guess who it is? >> Bit Bean. Twillery. >> Twillery. >> Heck yeah. Okay. So, >> well, Twillery was listening. >> Can I help sell Twillery? And of course, use your Saki was on our podcast and we were just talking about the the brand of Twillery. >> I love Twillery. He couldn't stop talking about it and and then we just reached a deal and they uh >> I So, okay. So, I was wearing them before we reached out to them. So, that you you already know it's like a good brand. >> Exactly. Me, too, by the way. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Me, too. >> Are you joking? You're serious? >> I'm serious. I mean, >> I am not wearing the shirt now cuz I don't have that many. I'm wearing I'm wearing the t-shirt from them. I'm wearing the sweatpants by them. They are the most comfortable clothes. They I I >> and fashionable. >> I'm serious. I I'm I'm I used to be more into my clothes, but like in my later 20s, I think I kind of gave up on it, which my wife isn't so happy about. But since we started with Twitter like 2 three years ago, they send me a lot of clothes and I promise I look so much better now. >> Wow. >> So much better. And they're like the one shirts that I don't like from Abberrombie that's like very baggy my wife hates and she loves when I wear twill. >> I was going to say we're going to start looking much better. Wow. I'm excited. >> It's great for Shalom and Bias. I mean, you guys both look pretty put together. So, you're fine. But it's it'll >> just elevate it. >> It's just great clothing. And >> you know, Saki said something interesting which we're going to experience ourselves and we're going to showcase how it works is that he's saving a lot of money on dry cleaning. >> I don't dry clean anymore. It's crazy. Like my suits suits, right? That's you dry clean suits or like even now we've like the past 10 years shirts a lot of people just put in the wash. Okay, they have that. But like the fact that I could put my suit in a washing machine and also have the most comfortable suit. You know what's you know what I'm a little upset about? When I started wearing the twillery suits, it was like I was literally the only one and like it was cool. Like now it's not cool anymore. Everyone wears it and I'm like >> everybody has it. >> I used to be the guy and now everyone gets how much of our time? 2 minutes like three minutes. >> I don't want to give them too much. I don't want to give them too much. We have to bill them on Do they give you a promo code? The promo code. Do you want to go? >> But not yet. Um I should ask them for this episode actually. Give it on this one cuz they're very analytical about the promo codes. >> Seeing Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're analytical about everything and we're excited about that. So seeing how many people are going to come based on who's listening and >> I love that they did that. We we yeah we've >> I'm excited about that. I want to go back to the line of questioning that Ushi had. I really really like that you had so many episodes so many moments that you've had. >> How many episodes to be exact? >> I I I don't know. I stopped counting but I mean for inspirational kind of thing. >> Inspiration for the nation since you started that. >> I don't know like 200 maybe 300 alltogether. >> Wow. Wow. >> A lot. A lot. >> Yeah. of those episodes. I mean, um, there's so many questions that I would have to ask and Osha, you touched upon a couple of good ones. I want to know if any of them were a disappointing, like, oh, I'm so excited and then it was like, you don't have to say who it was, obviously. >> Sure. Sure. >> And then I'd like to know if there's any that was really surprising, like, you know, you came in one angle and boom, came out another angle. Uh, I think the answer is I do a lot of research before, so I usually am not officially bored, but I kind of know, not always, I kind of know what they're all going to say. Um, so generally I don't think I've ever had one that I was disappointed. Sometimes some of the episodes the guests aren't as eloquent as I hope for them to be, right? >> Um, but that just means I'll have to cut out the ums in it. Not me personally. I don't edit it, but our editor would have to cut out the ums or uh I remember Mendy Levy. He he escaped from uh the cult. What's the cult's name again? >> Levar. >> Levar. He escaped from Levar. He's like grew up not speaking English in Guatemala and just speaking hardcore Yiddish. And then I had him on and he had such a compelling story, but he called me after. He's like, "Could we redo it?" And I said 100%. Like I was open to it. And then when we redid it, like I kind of helped him because I at that point very much knew his story. So I kind of like you won't see it in it. It'll just like sound like he's just saying over a story. But there were a lot of work that was needed. But >> you shot the whole thing again the whole episode. >> Well, it happens a few times. >> Very nice of you. >> I It's It's better for the audience. They the second time you do it, it it like the person if they're nervous about it and I've done it like three or four times at this point. I'm always happy to do it. It's an extra hour of my time and it's a better product. Like >> Yeah. It's something I'm learning a lot about you is that you're very focused on the audience and what they're listening how they're listening. >> They're my boss. >> No, I like I like how you're saying that they didn't get to millions of followers by >> they're the boss. I I look at any creator on YouTube or podcasts. They are are are are again I'm not going to like if you know just put on something crazy because I think they're going to want it. Like I have to try to understand them. But they're the boss. >> Now we were laughing earlier about our first episodes. In the first episodes, we were trying for it to be more about Oshi and I, right? >> And we were like, "Okay, it should be interesting cuz we're interesting guys." >> Little did we know, nobody actually cares about us as much as we think. >> The answer is people are thrown with so much content in their face. It could be they are, but to get them like to do shows like you mentioned Ben Shapiro before, like to do solo shows, just just having someone by themsel talking or or just two guys talking, it is so incredibly difficult to do. Well, from a marketing perspective, Oshi also made it very difficult for me when he said, "I want it to be about anything and everything." And I'm like, "Oh my god." From a marketing perspective, if you have a lane, >> then people will listen more. So, we don't have really that niche. It turned into a growthoriented podcast and we're loving it. >> You know what? Cuz then it becomes a commitment. >> I don't even know what what is your lane? What is your niche? >> So, our niche, I think, right now in terms of what we're listening to from the feedback is people are enjoying our messages and what people are learning from the growth. >> But hold on. Let's say kosher money is money. That's an issue is mental health inspiration inspiration. >> I would say none of your business is the life story of the of the guest but it's a growthoriented podcast like I am going to ask you what is your message? >> Do you think do you think the the name should shift or change? >> You know what I thought about that over the past few months because of the feedback that we've been getting and then we're heading in that direction. Uh but the idea of none of your business first of all it's a cute name. I love when people ask us what the name of our podcast is and we say none of your business and it takes them a second. >> Yeah. It takes them a second. They do a little double take. asked something, >> right? Right. It's like, I didn't ask you for your >> See that look? No, no, no. It's But it's cool. >> I think also the the double meaning to it is almost like, you know, I'm a guest on your podcast. I'm going to say things, but normally I wouldn't share it and it wouldn't be any anybody's business, but I'm going to share it. >> You know, the hopes that is really the hopes of getting the guests to share things that they would normally not share. And that is the messages that we're trying to get from people and the growth uh, you know, that we're trying to experience. So that's and then we realized that we needed to have guests. Yeah. And creative guests and people that have not been recycled too much and people are interests and um I don't mind recycling you know people that have been out there especially because our audience is our audience and they're very committed audience. Thank God. >> That's awesome. >> And uh you know we do have a healthcare background sales and marketing so we have those listeners as well but it's been from all over. But tell me another guest that surprised you, someone that came in like >> So I remember so I'm very close to Levie Greenspan. Uh he is someone who who went blind at I don't remember the age but like age of 20 something. He had like a tumor and long story short he became blind and he grew up like very modern orthodox and as time went on he's become to me he he's he's a sadic like you'll go around with him every gal he has their number he's speaking to them he's always giving out braas he's always buying and just talking about yidden he's he's I I'm kid you not he says he he could see Hashem in a certain way I don't know he's a I'm not exaggerating um either way very excitingly he was always just dying to get. He said, "I'd rather get married than be able to see." He got married and and I interviewed him and and his his the girl who saw actually saw the interview and she wasn't going to go out with him, but because of it, she actually said, "I'm going to go out with him." Crazy. And they went out and she reached out to me the night before they got engaged. She said, "You should know because of your interview, I decided to actually go out with him." Which is crazy. I did not get Shakanas yet. And I'm now I'm getting But no, no, the idea of it's like it's crazy like shipping. >> What's his name again? I'm sorry. >> Levie Greenspan. Wow. >> Sadic. Totally should have him cuz he doesn't do too many podcasts. Um either way. Okay, great. And then and she she's a key. Fine. I did actually did a video um one of my favorite videos on our YouTube channel. I vlogged their wedding. He had the Rashivas of Lakewood and the Rashivas of Wu, which they're very different like sitting next to each other. Like he's a tadk. He's not Mashiach, but he's that level. >> He's helping bring Mashiach. >> I did. Yeah. Literally. And and I did a whole vlog of his wedding. It's a fun 10-minute video. highly recommend you watch it. It's great. Either way, I said I would love to have Hugh and your wife and and like this is this is great. Like the fact like such different worlds and I start and great I I know her story. She gore guores from I forgot from where I don't know some out of town and at the point at that time I knew and while they're sitting down she was describing that she grew up in a place and they're Christian and she started describing that they were Christians but they made believe that they were Jewish and they started blending into the Jewish community in order to get other to get Jews to believe in Yashka. And then at a point she felt it was wrong like what were we doing? She tried leaving and they didn't let her leave. I'm like, "Wait a second." And like I didn't know this about her. I'm like, "Were you in a cult?" She's like, "Yeah, I was in a cult. I forgot the name of the cult, but she was literally in a cult. It wasn't one of these crazy cults where they'll like murder you if you leave. She got out of it." But she was in a cult. So like dur like you could watch this interview. I don't know. I did it like uh like a year ago. I'm like you you actually see me actually shocked like holy cow. Like I did not know I've had people who were in cults before, but like I did not know Lav's wife was in a cult. And like he's like sitting there. She's like, "Yeah, she was like it was crazy." Crazy. And I was like fascinated like actually in the interview and she's great. >> I mean, someone like you must have so many messages. I mean, we've been already hearing so many of them, but what would be that one message for people listening in terms of growth, right? And it could be none of anyone's business, but you know, we want you to share it. But in terms of someone who's, you know, you have a lot of listeners that are listening to your podcast, people are all over social media trying to, you know, they're thirsty for something, right? What would be your message to them? Yeah, I'm going to give super cliche, but for me personally, it means everything. I think there's a quote in I don't know if it's Perkas or somewhere else in Kazal. It's a safe You say it's in Kazal, you're safe. Um, >> you go prove me otherwise. >> Exactly. Uh, so it's out there and it says that Hashem created the world and when you're in it, again, I'm like butchering it, but like you need to be in it. And I think so often and and I don't blame it, but I think like when I was growing up like you look you look at like gym and and other people in life and you're like kind of like you were saying with with the podcast about like people going through tragedy like you look at those people going through and like oh like yeah Kanye is rahim Kany and like we're kind of like trying to emulate them but at a certain point in life and at least from seeing all these different people and their different stories and like you have your mission. Hashem created you for whatever it is. I I maybe it's to make a lot of money and give out a lot of sodaka. Maybe it's to wear your tittas. Maybe it's to do for a family. Like I don't know what your mission is in life, but we all have it. And as long as you're living like that is your mission. And don't get it's so easy to get jealous of different people because they're more in quote successful, they're making more money or they're getting more views or or or whatever it is. And every there's always what to be jealous about other people, but like you have your life, you have your family, you have your maybe you don't have a I don't know. You're Hashem is giving you whatever he's supposed to be giving you and that's that's life and that's a good thing. It's not a bad thing. >> Love it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I think that makes sense. >> It makes a lot of sense. It does make a lot of sense. >> Unfortunately, it makes a lot of sense. And now we got to go figure out what that is. >> Yeah. I got to figure it out. >> That isn't that the whole chase. It's a journey. >> I really look at it like I think and you guys are in like the healthcare. I I really think there are there's there's someone who's 75 years old now. Again, I'm not thinking of anyone specific who owns 50 nursing homes. And I personally I'm 33 years old. I don't own any nursing homes. I'll take one. I don't know own anything. I I I am not financially like so rich. I have a family. I'm good. I make mistakes. Life is not perfect. But like I think I genuinely get more and more fulfillment in my life because I again maybe he does. I am he's giving lots of maybe but I think I am getting more I'm just using that guy who's like working all day and I'm like what I'm doing is giving me more fulfillment than him again I'm comparing me to him then but I'm just very thankful for what I have and I think I think a lot of >> wrong with that it's it's okay to compare yourself to others in the reverse way right you know saying I'm better off you know but look at what he's going through I think he has it more difficult I actually think I have it great that's a beautiful thing that's sort of the way it was meant to be by design that's what you should be is when you compare yourself that way which lucky you is that I can see by the way here's my take okay I've been sitting with you for like an hour now >> and a lot a lot of people are watching you for many years they're seeing you know I'm seeing a different side of you genuinely a nice guy you're you're you're good peopleles like you're somebody that >> I think I'm way more bitter than people realize by the way this this I'm serious I am my ask my wife I am like I don't like going anywhere I am like >> yeah I'm jaded but but I I'm Like >> I think I'm a nice guy. I'm a nice dated guy. No, I I hate big crowds. I I rarely go to like >> I enjoy weddings cuz I like seeing my friends, but like I don't like like my wife wanted to go to concert. I'm like, heck no, I'm not going to like I don't like I get free tickets all the time. Like, hey, let's barter. I'm like, no, I this is not I will pay money not to go to these places. >> So interesting. >> Yeah, I like But I love people cuz I am oneonone like or whatever whatever this is like this. I love I don't like the big crowds. I guess you don't see the other people right in front. >> I don't see them. It's oneon ones. I go to my studio. I go to my office. Like I And I see and I love the one-on- ones. >> There's a lot of depth to you. There's a lot of, you know, there's intimacy. You know, it's it's more of, you know, I'll be honest. We were talking about this before. Like, you know, you asked us where's our podcast going? Like, what are we doing? >> I'll tell you where I'd like it to go. Where'd I'd like it to be? >> Oh, whoa, whoa. One second. I'd like to hear this, too. >> Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Tell me. Cuz last time we started off, I was like, we hit 10,000 listeners. And he's like, "So I'm like, okay, that's great. I thought that's a pretty" And you actually confirmed now that 10,000 is a pretty significant number, right? >> 10,000 is great. >> Yeah. But it's not good enough for him. But let's hear what would you like us? >> I want to have fun. I want to talk about things that people haven't talked about openly in our communities. >> Sure. >> And I'm not talking about the like, >> you know, who's doing great with that. Again, I I I don't understand it because it's in Yiddish, but I >> Nahi Uncensored. I love him. >> You know what I'm talking about. >> I'm a big fan. >> Yeah. I think again I've never actually listened and I think he's like pushing the envelope a little too much but being entertainment we need a little bit of entertainment >> and that's okay. You could have your goals for it and you could have your goals and and >> that's what I want. But by the way again mine is very self- serving and I'm not helping a lot of people by doing that. But I do think that I am helping in a way that we're bringing uh joy into people's lives a little bit and we're bringing that certain entertainment that would somewhat be cultural. I'm not talking about nasty type of entertainment talking about, you know, good entertainment that people can get behind and instead of watching a Netflix show, they'll tune in for an hour time. It's good vibes, good energy, and I want to have other people that are interesting, other people that have what to say, what to talk about >> that you could sit. That's what I want in my department. >> There's something very >> That's what I want. And by the way, if I can make a million dollars while I'm doing it, it' be also very nice. >> I wouldn't say no. >> You're going to get a few free shirts from Twitter. >> I have no expectations. I have nothing. On the money side, by the way, it's it's like you said, there's no real money in this at the end of the day. It's actually costing us a lot of money to to do what we're doing. >> Um, but we we like it because it is helping us grow. I feel like since we started doing this podcast, we've I've met incredible people just like you have on your podcast. I've seen so many people sit in that chair and I've heard their stories. I'm blown away. I'm like, who are you? You're an alien. Where did you come from? And we met a guy that was a guest here, lives in my neighborhood >> and I barely ever knew him. and all of a sudden he starts telling us all these things about and I'm like wow I mean we just like we unpacked everything that's there and there so many layers to this he's an incredible person and from that alone I'm becoming a little bit better I'm becoming more in tune with with what's out there so I'm appreciating it and and this is what Michael told me from the beginning he's like let's just go on this journey and we'll see where it takes us like we never really had a major plan we didn't put a 5year plan 10 year plan let's do it let's jump in and let's see how it goes and that's sort of where we are right know where it goes from here. We shall see. You know, we're we're writing this book as as we're speaking. We're literally page by page. But that's where I would love it to go is just to have fun, have a good time, good vibes, good energy. You know, there's something I I do think that is spiritual about and I I don't mean spiritual like yes from spiritual but like there's something that you know I I guess the way Hashem created the world it's he kind of the way he created himself not created himself but created this world that we relate to him is you know for example Hashem created the world so there's something when you create a business right and it's successful there's a certain enjoyment not not even the money there's something about it that you're creating having children like there's something that's very anas. Exactly. So I I think in the same way like there's you know dvening and there's there's that relationship that back and forth with Hashem. There's something very cathartic about just what we're doing right now. Like there's again I I think we're in a time where technology is like connecting us but also bringing us apart. Like when do we sit down with our spouse or with our friends and just like just smoo without anything in our way? And these mics are is such a good decoy of like just being able to I don't on chabas my phone is off and I don't struggle with my phone on chabas but like other than that I am totally addicted to my phone. I I'm I was I was up for 19 hours yesterday. Let's say I was on my phone for 18 and 1 half hours like for sure. And there's something very nice about just being here and connecting and >> talking to you guys and figuring out and finding out about your podcast. >> I looked at your phone once. You haven't even >> I put it down over there. Amazing. Yeah, >> Jakob, I'm curious. What do you say about this? So, he wants more of the entertainment. I'm looking for more of the growth. How do we marry? >> This is when you guys split up and you both No, I'm kidding. Um I I think you know, >> let's talk about that. Let's talk about it. This conversation was coming eventually. >> I think you would burn out. You would burn out if you guys like actually split up. I think you would burn out faster than him. I think he genuinely likes it more and you kind of like want to have the fun more than the actual podcasting. >> So, I don't have longevity in this game, you're saying? >> I don't think so. If I had a bet, I'd bet more on him. But I don't think you guys should split up. And I think there's it's like I think you should bring on some guests you want and you should bring on some guests you want. And then you're not going to like this. You should kind of figure out from the audience what they want. >> But there there is a discovery point of like kind of a little bit of both. >> I think so. Yeah. >> See what the It's still new. I mean, I know you're 60, right? 60N, but that's still new. Like you're still like Thank you for knowing that. I saw you. I did my research. >> We are uh you know we've done a couple of solo stuff where he's interviewed >> couple we did one solo episode each. >> Okay. >> Where interviewed somebody separately my two friends >> and I chose someone else. And also when I'm in Israel I'm going to be solo so I'm going to do stuff myself. I don't have a choice of guest co-hosts or whatever. >> I could zoom in. >> We've never done the Zoom thing by the way. I don't know. I find about this for the first time together. So it's fine. >> It's okay. >> This is why we're doing this. >> I like how we snuck intervention >> and then he's going to tell me later what I mean. We we talked about it. You don't remember? You don't remember? >> You don't remember? You're out of the business. Like we spoke about it all. >> He's going to have a new podcast called Out of the Business. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It was my business or something like that. >> Yeah. My business. We started like I'm hiring managing for someone like >> we did start off with you saying, you know, can you ask questions? You have any questions for us? >> Um what's your least favorite part about podcasting each of you? And and yeah. >> Oh my god. I have like five things. One thing right off the bat. One thing. One thing. >> Oh my gosh. You're almost like triggering things for me right now. Like I'm getting angry. No. No. There's a lot of things I hate. There's a lot of a bunch of stuff that I hate. But >> but like which part of the process do you not enjoy the most? >> I'm going to say the one thing for me because I don't have five things. It's the lights, the cameras, and uh and not the act. No, it's it's talking in front of a camera. >> I have a difficult time. I know you guys like thrive on mics and cameras. I don't. But it's okay. And the reason why it's okay for me is cuz I learn to listen more. So >> I I have a a technical solution. There's um Dar of CEO. He has I don't know the name of it. A boom mic. But basically the mic's above him. >> Yeah, it doesn't matter. I know the camera's on me. That's what I'm saying. >> Yeah, but you do feel it less. >> I personally don't. That's my camera. The camera. >> So, what's your What's your I know what yours is. It's me. >> Uh >> well, one of the good things, but I would say bad things. Stephan, you're giving yourself too little credit. Uh here's one thing I hate. I hate when I have to sit there for two hours and listen to somebody that I just >> You don't find it interesting. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry about it. >> I have a hard time faking things. I don't know if you noticed, but I wear my emotions on my sleeve, right? >> I'm pretty straightforward and blunt >> and I have a hard time acting. So, if somebody is like just boring me and it's like it's not going anywhere and I got to sit through it because I got to be polite. >> Interesting. >> You know, I got to be polite and I got to do the do the job. I hate that. >> Well, in a good way, you don't actually sit through it. You always change the topic or you'll jump at the next thing, which is okay. >> Yeah, I guess. How often does that happen? More often or less often? >> Not that often. It didn't happen that often. We only had 60 guests to this point. I would say probably four or five times. Okay. It happened at least four or five times. We're 5 10 minutes into the podcast. Like bored. >> I'm already thinking to myself, oh god, this is going to be a long two hours. You know what's great about those? By the way, I have to say those are the ones that performed the best. >> Oh, really? >> Continue. >> His opinion. I don't agree. I'm now threw that out there like factual like that's all he has to do. So I hate that. Um I also don't love >> I don't love the notoriety that that it comes along with Oh, you don't like it? >> No, I don't love that part. I don't >> I I I like that it's there and it's out there and I'm happy to do it, but I don't need to hear everybody's like opinions. People have a lot of opinions. By the way, I always feel the people who give the most feedback and critiques and opinions are the people that don't actually watch or listen. It's the people that like saw the title or saw a clip and then they say everything. I'm like, "Did you actually listen?" No, they didn't. >> Listen to one person. >> Sure. >> Nisser. I got to give him a shout out. >> Oh, I love Nisser. >> He is. You know Nissen? >> I know Nisser. >> You kidding me? >> Yeah. >> Okay. When's the last time you spoke to him? >> I'm on a chat with him. He's Today you spoke on the chat. Our parents go to the same bungalow, White House Estates. >> Okay. Our parents are best friends. >> His his father his parents come they come to him a little bit. >> Yeah. Yeah. My >> I've seen him by my stool a few times. >> Pretty cool guy. >> Uh but he's a big fan. He watches every episode and I appreciate his feedback. You know why? Because I know that he is giving intelligent feedback. He actually heard the entire thing. He all the context from the beginning to the end. And that's the kind of feedback that's genuine. It's it's impactful. It means something. So I appreciate that. But you're right. I hate the ones that clearly have sound bites that they and they're making a comment. And also they're just trying to hate because like they're the type of people they like to tear other people down. >> I Yeah, >> I hate those people. I hate those people. >> I realize that that concept exists when I don't remember what I think it was like two two years ago I interviewed Eric Adams and for me it was like oh my gosh the mayor the mayor you had him on your podcast I had him on the podcast and I'm like holy cow this is going to be one of the best performing episodes. It was not. It was one of the lowest performing episodes, but the hawk it created, it was crazy hawk because oh my gosh. Yes. >> And I realized very quickly from there that the hawkers that don't actually listen to it, they were all hawking about it, sharing photo, but the actual podcast, no, like not no one people listened, but like it was so much lower. And I'm like, okay, there's the hawkers and then there's actual listeners. So don't pay too much attention to the hackers. There's the guys who like seeing the news on WhatsApp and this and like they don't actually listen to the B. >> Michael, you hear that distinction? The hackers and the listeners. >> Yes. >> Right. So, I like the way you clarified that. So, I like the listeners. I don't like I dislike the hackers. Exactly. >> They always have critiques and and that she or you had more. >> Michael, you know what's going to happen when we split up? We're going to have a very big disagreement about who gets to keep Stephan. I'm just Stephan's going to be the child that the two parents are going to fight over. Who gets over Steph. >> I'm going to get two Hanukkah. >> He's old enough. I think he's old enough to choose you every second. Chavis, Michael, you could have >> Before we wrap up, Yakov, we always ask people who you think would be a great guest on the podcast, and we'd love for you to pick one. So, >> kind of like base my answer based on like what your audience would like. >> I mean, he's been around, but Schlami Zions. >> All right. So, we're calling Shley Zions and we're gonna we're gonna get him on the podcast. I'm curious if I would appreciate what I'm doing to him. >> Yeah, you never know. >> In his defense, it is 11 p.m. at night. >> It's not so terrible. Now it's when he's starting his journey. He's recording his trip to the hotel or something. Well, if he's not answering, he's probably in the middle of uh creating content somewhere. >> That was a quick call. I feel bad >> cuz every minute I'm out there, I'm like, Michael's triing this this new model of doing this on his own. >> No, no. We're talking about he had to ask he asked a good question about like really you you guys hit the goals that you're trying to hit and now you have the ability to really morph this into more exciting or more different kind of show and just how to really hit that. I'm gaining from being on here and you're gaining from me being on like there's a >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean if you don't pump up our viewership by like at least 10 times >> I don't think I'm that interesting. I hate to break it. Yeah. Sorry. >> How many people are on your team? How many people in the entire organization of living? >> Yeah. Um I would say about eight, but only one person is full-time. >> And I and I like that. I like that we're not necessarily all full. Like we're all doing other things also. >> Everybody has day jobs as well, >> basically. Basically. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, many of us it's it's our full-time, but like we also have other things. >> Would you be willing to share like what your budget is on a yearly basis? >> Yeah, I'm totally happy to. When you get my brother, you could ask him. I don't know the answer to that. >> You don't even know you're not involved whatsoever. >> I asked him if we can get his brother on and he's saying his brother is very reluctant to coming on podcast in general. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, he's also reluctant to like >> He likes him. He you you've mentioned him a few times. >> More episodes from him. That makes And I'm like people get like weird about it like I'm like oh like podcast come up like I like your brother's show more. I'm like first of all it's my brother's the host of it but like it's more him because I'm not doing it but like it's my grandchild. It's not like thank you. Like if you like any of the living shows more than inspiration, totally fine. >> I'm just more shallow. So I appreciate more about the business side. >> Him interviewing a billionaire people advice that they're giving. I appreciate that. So that's why I tune in. >> But that's that's exactly like I like that. Like I like that different like we're creating different shows for different kinds of people. >> There's something for everyone. >> Yeah. Literally literally that. >> Um but yeah, he would know in your life ever since you got very popular. not popular, very popular. I mean, you'd be hardressed to find somebody that you talk to in the Jewish communities anywhere. >> Like on a person, it's funny. You always hear this from like rich people or like Hollywood celebrities. Like once you get a certain point, like it doesn't mean anything. Like I'm from the famous side of it, like it doesn't mean anything. Like my personal life is exactly the same. Yeah. Here and there I'll go out to eat and then, you know, someone will stop me and stuff like that and I feel good for a second, but like nothing actually changed. >> Does your wife hate it? Does she >> um she's a lot proud when it happens. >> Um she kind of like makes fun of me for it, I think. Yeah. She's like way the opposite personality. She doesn't want to be bothered. She doesn't want like I bring her on sometimes. She's a co-host sometimes. Um I didn't know that. >> Yeah. Sometimes if like it's like it's going to be like too intimate like me and like a woman like like sne wise like it makes sense. And also she brings like when I have like she's a food scientist so like if it's food related like kosher cooks and stuff like that. Um she brings a certain flare that I just don't know food well. Um but I think like pra like I'm in jewelry like I have a different wardrobe now. Like that's practically different. >> Do you feel like you have to be more adept with your looks? Like you know making sure your your hair is made, making sure your your beard is looking good. >> Uh no. >> Do you care more about your appearance than you did before? I'm the same. I think I'm the same. I think I'm the same. I just happen to get It's like weird again. It's surreal. Like I don't view myself as a probably a sealless celebrity. Like I don't view myself like that, but but I guess I am. And and like yeah, it surprises me every time I >> So what's the nicest perk other than twillery that came with everything that you're doing? Uh, from a purely materialistic standpoint, >> I I I think I've gained more respect from people that don't know me. >> More credibility. >> I think more credibility. Yeah. Yeah. And and and in a sense in like the rabbitic world, like I I I know there's some rabund that like I don't I don't know like I know of them and I guess they know of me, but like my conversation with them I think is very different had I not been where it is. But not just about them, just like in business and just in general. Um, I guess so, but like practically does that mean anything? It just makes me feel good, but I I don't think it's >> now I could close more deals and think like I I don't think >> you technically could. You >> I guess so. But >> were you invited to like any basel programs yet? Like >> uh yeah, this past year. Well, it was like kind of like a Well, I Okay, so I got invited to like two or three programs, but the trade-off was that they weren't going to pay me. There was one in like Dubai, which is like Dubai. But I'm like, okay, I will get a free PES in Dubai with my wife and two kids. >> Amazing. >> Amazing. Yeah. >> But I like going to my parents and my in-laws, right? And I don't pay anything when I go there. And I'm 33 years old. They should live until 120. How many more pesaks will I have it than my parents and in-laws are making? Like I actually >> I don't know. But one less pesak with your parents for Dubai. >> I like it. I like it. I'm not with my parents so often and like and I'd rather go to Dubai on like a speaking kind of gig kind of thing for free like that I would do but like for Pesak and then I also have to like do like I have to work like you know it's not so this past year my in-laws went to program and I went for free and they were going anyways so I I did that. >> Interesting. >> How about how about like the HA concert you get like uh you know free tickets to like whatever our whatever our big event. >> Yeah. So the answer is every concert I get is team like always hitting me up. Um at first like I did one barter with them because someone on our team Yoni Schwarz loves music. I'm like Yoni go have fun. Front row tickets. I don't I hate these kind again. Isa Rub is a great singer. All singers are great. I don't like music in public. I don't know maybe I'm weird. Um, so for me I always turn it down and and I always tell them like if you want us to, you know, do an ad for you, happy to, but like barter like it's this is not worth it. Like our ads cost more than the ticket. Like it doesn't make sense. So yeah, I get offers for that but it's not like Twillery kind of thing. Again, they pay but like getting their free stuff. I actually want their again I'm plugging Twillery so much. I Whatever. I love you. >> No, it's okay. We want to get more code. Use your code. >> We're editing this out. This is way too much. We need a code by the way. I'm sorry. Things getting ahead. I didn't even get any stuff yet. I'm just saying my award. >> I feel that from my other sponsor. I should plug Bit Bemore and Cole Kabadmore. And who are they called? Will >> Tiss. Wow. The Herskups. Okay. Wheels. They've been for a long time. >> Over 35 years. >> Wow. >> And there's a reason because they have integrity. I'm sorry. I'm doing They're great. They are great people. I know the cups personally. And I And this is this is a image. I don't know if you guys gonna get more sponsors or whatever, but like I have a hard rule. I don't do advertising if I don't believe in the products or the people are bad people. >> Like I and I've turned down like good money. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. If I'm selling >> I don't know if we share those sentiments. >> No. If I'm >> I think right now we're not in a position down. >> If somebody's paying, you know, I'm asking how much. What is your mission statement? I care about my audience and like I'm not going to sell a product or service that I think is bad or or sell it to with people let's say like wheels to lease they're really good to deal with. I'm not going to sell another car and there's a lot of good car leasing places out there but I wouldn't sell a car leasing place that's giving me money that they're just terrible to deal with. Like that doesn't do good for my name. >> I think you're making a mistake. Maybe >> I think you need to rethink this. >> Sorry, but I agree with you and you happen to have liked Twillery. We had you you twillery. So, it's something that you enjoy. >> Twillery product before I even knew. I didn't even know they were a Jewish based company. >> I know. >> I just saw them online. >> We were We were on We were the first like Jewish like like entering the market for them >> and they're doing a great job. They're actually No, we're not doing this anymore. Absolutely. >> They got to pay you guys more. >> You don't understand. I'm like plugging them because I genuinely like them. I'm like torn. It's like a real problem. It's like I >> you should keep this in and you should reach out to them and be like, "By the way, we got you." >> Well, Ellie Melik and I have an understanding. We're doing this for for a little while and we'll see how it goes. And I I have a real good feeling that it's going to blow up. U in terms of our listeners at least. >> Sure. >> Uh we need to come up with a word for it for the code for our listeners to go as a promo code. Is this for me? >> They're going to get a discount. Yes. >> And uh you'll get one in the mail, too. And uh you know, we'd love to have a selfie with that. >> What would that word be? We need one word that defines for our customers, for our listeners, you know, so they can track our customers. >> Shouldn't it be no like we always do? >> It's not a word that you can remember. It's easy not easy to write, you know, so we got to come up with a word. >> I don't know. >> All right. Not for you. Okay. >> Yeah. Ask your marketing team. What they >> What sign are you? >> Oh, sign. >> Yeah. >> Um, yeah. I'm actually having in October the person who does >> Who you talking about? >> The guy with the book. Yeah. >> I'm having him on. >> Who's this? >> I forgot his name. Yes. >> P something. Yeah, something like that. He's came out he came out with a book recently um about astrology. I happen to be very into astrology, not from like the non-Jewish world, like from the fromkite world of like Hashem bringing Aram out of astrology and showing that Yiddin are above astrology. Um whatever. I'm into that kind of stuff. So I'm personally very excited for the episode. But I think you guys will like this. I don't know if the listeners like this. In July, I was working on my Tishaba film. I recorded enough episodes to last me through Sukus through October. >> Good for you. >> Isn't that crazy? >> That's so That's smart. What a luxury. >> You guys could do it. >> No, we're we're struggling. We're always like a week or two behind. >> How often do you put out? >> It's terrible. >> We put out every week. >> Every week. That's hard. >> Yeah, it's very special. >> I do, but I've been doing it for 5 years, so it's gotten easier. >> Our full-time job is legit a real full-time job. It's It's difficult. Meaning >> fulltime job is a full-time job. >> No, no. What I mean, no. We really really do this full-time. I mean like uh this is pretty much >> You How often do you record? You record once a week? >> Once once or maybe twice a week. Like we're going to try to do two this week and uh you know. Yeah. But >> I have that some like this week and last week I >> also Michael is an avid uh traveler. Um Oh yeah. >> He likes to be every business office business personal. >> I love Israel. I'm I'm You don't know where he is at any given time. That makes it hard. >> So we have to also fit it around that schedule, >> right? And then you have to fit around the so what I do and this is advice but and for anyone who listening who wants to start a podcast I also like >> let's say I have someone and they live in Israel and um I could do it through Zoom but let's say I want to do it in person. I tell them I say I don't know that are you coming to America in the next year? Yeah. Okay. So, in I have things booked for November, December, January, and that's okay. But if you do that enough, then your bookings will like start to catch up and you'll start to have it once a week. I don't know if >> that's a good idea. Prep it in advance to schedule. >> It's not It's not bad. And when someone says, "Oh, they're not available now or this." Okay, great. Like for me, like what I did, like I told you guys, I'm going to be upstate in the summer and I'll be near my so let's let's wait. You know, >> you're upstate for the summer? >> I'm upstate. Yeah. >> Oh, nice. Yeah. >> Very nice. So, uh, here's the time where you give us critique. This is the time where as an experienced podcaster doing this for a long time, a highly successful one. Now that you've gotten a little taste of the two of us, one of the good, the bad, the ugly. >> Okay. I'm going to give one critique that you guys aren't going to like, and we kind of like were talking about it before. >> I really don't like it. >> The name of your podcast, I think, is I It's very cute, but for what you're morphed into, I don't think it's it's doing you any good. >> Okay. alternate suggestions. >> What? >> Like what type of a suggestion would you >> I don't know that I don't know. >> Okay. >> Okay. I like Oi's question. If you had to come up with a name like growth. So I'm trying like I the way I would do it is think of the word growth and then go to chat GBT and then like kind of explain it and kind of have a conversation with Chat GBT. >> How about kosher funny? >> I'm vetoing that immediately. >> That's very funny. >> And also Steph, you can't give more suggestions for the next 15 minutes. I feel like we're losing subscribers as we speak. Uh, okay. So, that was one critique. Yes. What else? >> Um, cuz I I I think you you will attract more if it feels more in vibe of it. >> What do you think the vibe is of our podcast? >> I think it's very loose. Um, getting to the bottom of things. Uh, it's diverse. Very, very diverse. More diverse than mine. Um, >> I think I gave enough explanations. I don't know if you knew. Okay, great. >> We're listening like our eyes are popping out. >> I think I think you're very diverse. Get to the bottom of things. It's also again I I just know my my episode. It's It was fun, but there was there was like purpose to it. Like I don't know. It's like a nice mixture mixture. >> Yeah. So my take away from you and from this podcast and the growth, >> by the way, that's the only reason why he asked you is cuz he wanted his turn to tell you. >> No, I'm on this not at all. He's saying of where this podcast is going. like, you know, growth was basically the word that he chose that you just >> make a play on the word growth and figure out, you know, a fancy name for it or a creative. >> I thought you were going to give him critique. >> What I'm saying is the growth that I'm getting out of this podcast is >> somebody in your stature, somebody in your position, you can do a lot of things with what you have going on right now. You could find a lot of ways to monetize. You don't need to be a businessman. I know you said earlier, I'm not a businessman. I let my brother define answers. Once you have a million plus followers, uh, the world is open to you. There's a lot of choices. And what I'm seeing is that you're choosing to do more positivity with it. Things that are beneficial to people in our community, uh, for the Jewish nation. Wow. Wow. Good for you. >> It's selfish, by the way. I enjoy it. >> A byproduct is people are gaining from it. But like, I like it. >> It's not selfish. It's fine. It's It's >> I think it is, but it's not a bad thing to be selfish about. >> Okay. You know, we could say it that way. But that's what I'm That's my growth. I'm learning from you is when you have something, you know, with great uh power comes great responsibility. >> Uncle Ben. Spider-Man. >> Uh Mr. Spider-Man himself. Yeah. It was Uncle Ben, actually. His brother, his uncle said. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yes. Yes. Um >> see superheroes. Very good. He knows his superhero. >> I like superheroes. >> Yeah. Who's your favorite superhero? >> Probably Batman. >> Ah, it's got to be Batman. How could it not be Batman? >> I like Spider-Man also. >> H Spider-Man's a little lame, though. >> He's nerdy. >> Yeah. His suit's way too tight. >> His suit is very tight. All the suits are too tight. >> Yeah. But no, but Batman is is the he's not a real superhero with real powers. Yet he gets it done, right? So he's like >> he's also like I don't know how it works, a millionaire billionaire, you know, a philanthropy. >> He's an orphan, though. >> He's a vigilante, you know. He's he's a lot of things. He's very cool. Batman was always my favorite. Always my favorite. Yeah. And I think the the Dark Knight movie, the first one, was one of the best superheroes. My favorite film. >> One of the greatest movies. I think it was an excellent excellent movie. Christopher Nolan. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So movie buff. I like it. >> Superheroes. I like superheroes. >> Okay. See things like this. Like you can't talk about this stuff on your podcast. No way. What we just did. No way. People would like to have a podcast and I can't talk about this because I have other likes. I'm not just going to sh every which I don't do. >> Which by the way on your podcast it could fit but for mine it's like it's a lane. I always say like if if if for whatever reason Kim Kardashian wanted to be on Inspiration for the Nation and she's done some big stuff in her life. >> You're not saying no to that. >> I am 100% saying no. I'm not letting you, >> dude. I'm where I'm at. >> Walking around with a protesting sign in front of you. >> No, I'm telling you. >> Free free Kim Kardashian. >> No, I'm just >> let Kim Kardashian come on to the podcast. Poor >> audience. But it's not just about you, Yakob. This is No, >> it's not about me. I I I personally would do it. Why not listen? >> I'm listening to my audience. My audience would would they they would never listen again. They would understand your audience would >> Natalie said the same thing to us. Remember, you can get any guest you want. I can't. >> And so I'm not sure we can get anybody you want. >> I don't think you could get anyone you want either. You just don't know your audience yet. That's what I think. >> Like there is a lane. And I know you don't want to be in a lane, but >> you have to. You have to. >> I'm a free bird. I cannot be. >> You're fine. You could, but you'll turn into my friend Yity Inber who had a law podcast and then it became like improv and comedy podcast. And he every day is like telling me he's like, "How do I grow?" I'm like, "I will tell you. I will help you become the biggest law podcast. I I I know enough at this point to help you do it. And he just didn't listen to me because he didn't want to stay in his lane. And that's fine. And if you don't want to stay in your lane, that's fine. But if you want to get 30,000 people listening every week, >> do I though? >> What's the But he wants that. >> I know he wants that. But what's what is it? >> I just want growth. >> What is it going to do be to have a million people that are subscribed and are actively listening? >> I don't know. >> And I'm not having a good time and I'm not enjoying it. >> You're right. If you're if you're I'm not going to I'm not going to appreciate it. >> I I understand that if you're saying I just want to have a good time and you don't necessarily care about the growth, then 100% like you got to choose the guests you want. But you both have different goals and that could get complicated. >> It's a little dicey, right? >> It's okay. But I think you guys are having fun doing it the way you're doing. >> I love Michael. I love Michael and I hate Michael at the same time. >> We we have those >> It's healthy. You guys respect each other a lot, which is which is amazing to see. It's very nice to see. I'm sure in businesses like that and I could see it on the podcast. I had a party yesterday uh for a friend of mine. It was his 40th birthday. >> Happy birthday. >> And it was amazing and we celebrated in a very very big way. And Michael doesn't know the birthday boy as well as I do. He knows him a little bit, but he was there because we did it at his house. So, you know, he hosted it >> nice. >> And uh he was the life at the party and he always is. And I always tell him I said it's not the same when when you're not there. Like I really appreciate >> that. And by the way, Michael, thank you. I don't know if I officially told. >> Yeah, this is why we're doing this. We're here today for hosting it. Are you sitt Are you guys like aside for business, are you like best friends in real life? No. >> We were introduced to each other through business, but >> one of his closest friends is a partner in our business. Got it. >> We have a mutual very close friend as well. >> Was he ever on this podcast? >> We're also very We're very close or not the type. >> Not the type. I want to be clear, we're very close friends, Michael and I. >> I got it. I got it. I got >> We're a little bit different age also. He has his circle of friends. >> Could I ask you how old each of you are? I mean, you're clearly older. Yeah. I'm 46. >> I'm 38. >> Got it. Okay. >> Yeah. >> I mean, my older my oldest kid is in his high I mean, in his mid20s, right? >> My oldest is 8 years old. >> It's a different world. A different planet. Yeah. Yeah. Different different world. >> I think after 30 doesn't really matter how old each person is. I think we're all pretty much in the same place at that point. >> And where I'm going to go into question, where are you from originally? And where are you from originally? >> I'm from Muny. >> You're from Muny. >> Born and bred. >> I'm a snob. I despise everywhere else. I think Munchie is the only place. >> Where's your wife from? >> Brooklyn. >> And she actually moved to Muny when I got married and she hated it in the beginning. >> Of course. And now she loves it. Now she goes back to Brooklyn. She's like, I don't know how. Yeah. Yeah. What was wrong with me? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would never you could go from Brooklyn to Muny. You can't go from my to Brooklyn. N. And some people I've met and like they do it cuz like their wife. It's the the reverse in the relation. And like Yeah. It's crazy. Okay. I bet you >> I'm from Brooklyn. I grew up my in my teenage life in Israel. Uh, Ocean Parkway and Avenue, that area. >> Okay, cool. >> And I miss Brooklyn. >> Yeah, >> I miss Brooklyn in ways >> in many ways. I I don't know if I would want to live there, but >> pizza. Yeah, >> the best >> my hangout. >> Someone is supposed to call me the owner. He's still alive. Bar Hashem, his wife died, but I'm supposed to have like a FaceTime with him. >> What about Amnun? >> I liked it, but for me, Natanya was like the Again, I was very young. >> You can interview Nata. I'll interview Amnes. Let's see how it goes. >> Yeah. No, these Oh my gosh. Yeah. I again it wouldn't fit for inspiration but like he is someone yeah I would love to interview him I would love to interview him I don't know how I would get it out there >> goat absolute goat >> then you have to get like Dave Portright to come on >> oh Dave Port >> so he's another example he's like in the Casey nice field of like amazing I'd love to meet him I'd love to and he's very proud yid >> but it just wouldn't fit for my thing but he'd fit for your show >> can you help us get him >> I have nothing to do with him >> well if you reach out though it means something and and maybe you can you use us as part of your network. >> You know, people like him I think are both him and Casey once they're like they push push push and then they make so much money and they kind of like >> I got to tell you something crazy. >> It's so hard to get them. >> Uh just a few days ago I video called Kevin Oly >> out of the blue and a friend of mine had his number and he's like just video call him. I'm gonna do a LinkedIn post about it because I think it's just a it's like you know one of >> I saw the the video the photo of it evidence he was on FaceTime with Kevin >> like moral dilemmas like you know do you video call someone like you know do you hate it or not >> Kevin Oly picking up a random face >> that's a great that's a great point and I think that you know he wasn't the only one that picked up a phone >> I know why he is by the way I think all these celebrities or people like that they don't they they're not like us like you have your number for life they again I don't know if he's that level but they very often get new numbers cuz people find it and So they're used to getting >> I'm not sure who it might be. >> Yeah. And he's waiting for a call from the guy from New York and then you have New York zip code >> and boom. >> It was a fun conversation. It last it lasted exactly 90 seconds. >> By the way, Kevin Larry is a B+ celebrity. >> Yeah, >> I think it was at least a B+ celebrity. >> Pretty freaking cool that you got him. Get him on here. >> Did you ask him or he was asked him? That's why you got to call Nancy. I said Kevin, I spoke to Nancy. She's not responding, you know. And it was funny cuz he's like, "Okay, I got to go. I got to go, you know, whatever. But it was it was cute to have that concept that they'll pick up their video call and video calling someone is kind of in a way. But that's kind of like what we did to you earlier or like what we do to our guests like >> call right now someone that you think would be great. And you know what Gusty Green told us? >> Yeah. What did he say? >> He said, "If I wouldn't have gotten video called from Gishi, I would never have come on your podcast." He said, "Continue doing that." >> Hold on. Did Did he come here or did you put him here? >> Cuz I've been trying to get him for a few years now >> and I'll get him eventually. in no rush, but he was giving such a hard time about like you have to come to me. I'm like, I could, but like you live to also know him personally. Not so far. >> So special. >> He came on to our podcast and he told him, "No, >> no, no. You got to be our new scheduling." He's he's he's busy guy. I don't know. Um there's a lot of people you had on that I I didn't have on >> that you tried to get. >> Uh probably I don't want to say yes without like but I I looked through your list. Yeah. >> Interesting. >> It's not easy. He does all the guest solicitations. >> It's not easy. It's a chase. You have to chase. There's a book that my brother >> except Mandy Worsh. Mendy Worsh was me because Mandy W is my friend. >> You bring in one personality. >> I love he brings in. >> Is he inspirational enough to go on inspiration for the nation? >> I don't know enough about him. >> Okay. >> But like what's your metrics like goto like you got to have this or this like story like what is it? >> So at this point Yonyi Schwarz is in charge of who we get as guests because I just get too bombarded. Um, and he's so much better at picking guests than I am. But that being said, if there's a story that personally moves me or someone like there's this girl from Cam Simpler, her whole body was burnt. Like I saw her and I sort of speaking I'm like, "Oh my gosh." And I reached out to my friends at Simpla. I'm like, "I would love to have her." >> I saw that video. >> Yeah. So, >> and it moved me as >> Exactly. So, so like when when that kind of thing happens, >> you're getting her on >> working on it, >> but she's young though. >> She's 11 years old. Yeah. Is that going to be the youngest person you've ever had? >> I've had babies on, but like the youngest person like that. I had I I I did have other campers from Sima that were very young. So, I think even younger, but it's it's in that realm of very very >> Yeah, I would love to hear that story. That's that's a great >> There you go. >> I I can't believe it. Like literally within the week last week somewhere saw the clip >> and uh he they brought her on stage. It's >> and I was like my heart melted. Nebuch 80% of her body someone got burned and it's like and it makes me appreciate Cam Simka like what they do. Oh my gosh. Yeah. >> They might be the best organization in the history of organizations, >> right? And that's saying a lot cuz we have we got a whole list of we got amazing ones like >> or inspiring ones but Ca just has to take the cake what they do and >> you know beautiful good. You going to have her on? You going to give her some air time? >> She lives in LA though so it's a little complicated. >> What looks like you know let them really see what it looks like. What were you saying earlier about a book? You were about to say something. >> Oh, yeah. So, my brother introduced me a book called The Third Door. You don't have to read the book, so I'm going to tell you exactly what it says in it. It basically says if you're trying to get into nightclub, there's the front door. Classic. Everyone's online. Then there's the VIP. If you're wealthy or you're famous or you know the per then there's a third door. It's in the back alley. It's it's where they threw out the garbage. There's always the third door. And this guy wrote a book called The Third Door. And it's how he basically think of the biggest people in the world. The biggest the biggest the the Pope and the Daly Lama and Steve Jobs and and all those people. He interviews all of them and he's like I'm a regular guy. He's like there's always a third door. >> So with Kevin Oly there's a third door, you know. Um I don't think it's facetiming him. It's probably through Nancy or someone who knows him who you know. But there and I found that with all people I try to interview >> and he gives you like like tips and tricks of how to be that third door model. >> Uh he goes through what he's gone through. So you kind of do pick up stuff, but it's the mentality of like there's always a certain way in. Yes, >> there's always a way in. And there's people I've been working on for for years now. I just had someone that I've been working on for 5 years. Hold on. Let me let me >> Well, you have people for 5 years. >> Five years. Since 2019, I've been trying to get out someone. The worst is when people die and like I didn't get them. Um, who did I try having on? >> Five years. >> Rabio Gold. >> I don't know what I said now. >> You'll hear in a second. >> Okay. >> Who's Yol Gold to Ushi? Who's my brother-in-law? >> He's your brother-in-law? >> He is. >> Okay. So, you would have been my third door. >> Yeah. >> Or not. >> By the way, the third door model is coming out at like in real time. >> There we go. Because that's how you network. I don't know if you'd be the real we might bump into someone third or not. >> You get him. Yo, he'll get someone. >> Oh, you got him. I got him. Oh, you just had him on. >> Yeah, I just had him on over 50,000 views and did very well. >> And I texted him angry that he didn't come on >> and I said you went on somebody else's podcast. >> I need that third door. I need that third door. >> That should be your guilt. In his defense, he promised me he's coming on. He lives in California. >> He lives in California. >> He's not here very often. >> I didn't. It was through Zoom. We did through Zoom. He wanted I'm like please fly in. He's like you please fly in. And we did through Zoom cuz he wanted to promote his name. >> We're going to have him on. He has an incredible story by the way. >> Incredible story. >> Um he is a very inspirational person. >> We did more of the angle of the Tishaba film. So his story part >> which by the way I thought was epic. >> He's great. >> I thought that Tishaba film took like it was one of the best Tishaba films anyone's ever released. >> It's amazing. >> U made me be proud to be a Jew. >> He's great. He's awesome. I felt like I was I believe in him. He's he's he's so good. I I I think he's awesome and I think what he's done for the film Jewish world is unbelievable. I think I know Heritage Foundation was doing it before him. No one did it the way he did and I think he's still the tish above goat. Yeah. Um great speaker. That being said, I was trying since 2019 to get him. And he had every excuse of, "Yeah, I want to do it, but he never did it." And finally the like a year ago, he's like, "I will finally do it." And I was honored and I still am honored. And it's a great episode. Anyone could go listen to it and kind of get a little more behind the scenes. Even if you watch the film, he says a lot of things on there that we didn't speak about on the film. He's probably one of the more talented people that I >> He married your sister or you married his sister? >> I married his sister. >> You married his Oh, that was the other way. Yeah. >> You married his sister? >> Yeah. The youngest. >> Well, could we break things down? You married his sister. So, his sister is officially >> No. No. She didn't grow up She didn't grow up in that. That was after Got it. Got it. Got it. Yeah. It was my My wife was three or four years old at the time when her parents got divorced. >> Got it. Okay. So, you married a gold? >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Exactly. I'm a big fan of his. Um now I have white. So funny that you're like I thought maybe it was something bad. I'm like oh no. Like >> we talked about this like it's just the inside thing and that's hilarious. >> And it's so funny that you said that. >> But I kid you not. I've been trying. It was six years. I've been trying to get him for so long. And there's other people I've still been I'm not going to give up. >> Maybe we could be your third door. We'll see. >> Tell us the next thing. Who's the next person you're chasing after? Is it my uncle that you're going after? Who's next? >> Maybe it's my brother-in-law. I don't know. Off the top of my head. I don't know. >> I don't know off the top of my head. >> Okay. >> Like I I literally had to look at like my recent podcast cuz I remembered. I don't know. I'm They were trying for so many one request from you. >> Yeah. >> Okay. When you decline Kim Kardashian, please send her here. >> Yeah. Yeah. You >> please here. You You have her. I will >> Guys, that's a wrap. >> Okay. >> What an amazing episode. Thank you everyone for >> I hope it wasn't too meta. Oh, are you still doing it? >> No, no, yeah. I was just saying thank you. >> I hope it's not too like cuz we're getting it like you guys care about podcast and stuff. Like I don't know if people listening care about the ins and outs. Okay, whatever. No, this is this is what we what what happened here is what we do. >> I just want to be in the top 60 listened on here. So, >> when we get to 100, you'll be one of the top hundred. I guess that's we just bumped into somebody a few days ago. He was a guest like 30 episodes ago and he made a comment to us. He says, you know, I'm noticing that ever since my episode, you got a bunch of ones have much more views than mine. He was like offended or something. What did I do wrong? I said, "No, no, no. We just we're getting more popular with the newer episodes." >> Yeah. Yeah. Don't think it's a reflection. >> It grows. It grows. It grows with time. Yeah. It it does. It grows with time. Absolutely. Makes sense. >> Speaking of which, thank you everyone for joining and growing with us and subscribing and commenting and getting involved. Thank you to the Prime Source production team, Steph, Will, and all the crew. And of course to our new sponsor, >> Twillery. >> Twilly twillery. >> There you go. >> That's a wrap. >> Okay. >> Excellent job, guys. [Music]