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we are here to discuss an issue that
brims under the surface of every Pulpit
sermon and every kiddish conversation
across the Jewish world today that is in
a day and age in which not only is there
a Jewish state but for the first time a
governing Coalition which collectively
espouses Torah values where should the
focus of a Torah Jew be
does it remain in the realm of the
personal of character development
self-actualization in God's image and
smiras hamitzvos or has it shifted to
the public domain in the realm of
politics Collective action and Society
we are joined by two esteemed guests who
will discuss and debate this topic Rabbi
Michael Levy has championed a
person-centered approach to Jewish
practice in his work as a rabbi
disability Advocate and public servant
for over 50 years
Rabbi Levy received rabbinic ordination
from the Jewish Theological Seminary and
has served as a board member at Yad
hakazaka where he supported making
Jewish experiences and texts available
to Jews with disabilities he worked as
director of travel training at MTA New
York City Transit until his retirement
in 2018. Rabbi Levy and his wife Javi
williglevy are active members of aish
kodesh and enjoy music hosting and
spending time with their grandchildren
Rabbi Adam Winston is a lawyer and Rabbi
in Richmond Virginia he received Smith
from the chief rabbit of Israel and his
JD from the University of Richmond
School of Law he works as a law clerk to
the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
of Virginia and currently serves as the
president of knesseth Beth Israel in
Richmond
Rabbi Winston believes that Torah
Judaism has throughout history
articulated itself in a voice that
speaks to the times
in a hyper political environment a Torah
that Retreats from these issues is
destined to be less relevant
to that end he is the founder and
director of Torah Town Hall an
organization that researches and
explores issues of civics government and
high politics Through The Eyes of the
navi khazal and the Jewish literary
tradition thank you Rabbi Levy and Rabbi
Winston for being here and helping our
viewers think about Jewish meaning in
thank you nothing Siegel that's uh it's
uh pretty cool uh that nakam Siegel is
introducing me I'm Adam Winston I uh am
a rabbi and a lawyer uh my day job is
working for a judge and my passion
project really is an organization that I
recently started in Richmond Virginia
called Torah Town Hall
um and the idea behind Terror town hall
is pretty simple I think that uh people
Jews especially and people in this
generation are more educated are
brighter more inquisitive and more
Curious than they ever have been before
and that power and that potential
coupled with the fact that opportunity
is limited is making a lot of people
feel very sad and Powerless
and I thought that empowering Jews with
a Torah that speaks to high politics
that speaks to
the issues that are pervasive in the
news and in the media and in society and
at people's kitchen tables I'm giving
them uh a vantage point of power of
knowledge and understanding an agency
really uh tying their Jewish identity to
the things that they're thinking about
most of the day
um treating them like educated and and
and knowledgeable people because they
really are
um
so turret Town Hall was born and
basically what we did is we started
learning
and giving talks and discussing
the issues of the day the politics of
the day in in minute detail but looking
to tell resources to do that so that's
my passion project I really truly
believe
um
that the future of the Jewish people is
an integration of Torah and the public
policy issues of
the day in any given time I really truly
believe
um that that's the path forward that
that's the way to cinch uh Jewish
National unity and that's really the
position that I wanna that I want to try
to put forward today and maybe convince
a few people of if I can
thank you Malcolm for your introduction
and I'm Michael Levy president of yada
kozaka the Jewish disability Empowerment
Center
and Adam you couldn't have given me a
better opening because
is all about empowerment
how do we all work together those of us
with disabilities and our fellow
travelers to make sure that people with
disabilities are integrated fully into
their Jewish communities and I'm a
straight shooter here I need to tell you
from the outset from the start from the
get-go that one out of 17 people with uh
one out of 17 Americans actually
1 out of 17 Americans cannot access
cannot access
Torah town hall because they can't use
they can't go online
either they have no computers or they
don't have the money to buy a computer
or they don't have the money
to buy the adaptive equipment and get
the training they need as you can see
I'm a blind person here on Zoom a lot of
people just don't have the money
a lot of people aren't even aware that
they could use a computer there's even
experts even people who call themselves
big experts in the disability Community
don't know what I just told you that
there is a way for people to get online
so we'll see about
um
where we stand in terms of values but
here's here's a project that I'd like to
see for ahmedim and Torah Town Hall
when December 1st 2023 arrives how many
more people with disabilities will be
able to access what you are offering
there are ways to do it I'm willing to
work with anybody to do it
so let's see what happens
by that date
now
if I may continue
here's what happens if you are a Jew
with a disability who can't access Torah
you go looking somewhere else for values
and maybe not that's not the best place
for values and you may choose to opt out
of Judaism which doesn't seem very
welcoming if you can't access it
so that's the downside
but we'll get back to the up I'm sure as
you continue Adam
well I I look that didn't sound like you
took uh an oppositional stance to me
there Michael so I love if I can try to
maybe tie in what you said with
um with what I said I think even if you
saw the accessibility maybe after the
question of accessibility I 100 agree
with you
um that uh accessibility for to physical
spaces and accessibility to uh digital
spaces is something that has to be
corrected for for Jews and all people
with disabilities I I don't think
anybody can argue with that but even
after let's if if we move if we move
beyond the question of accessibility
what exactly is it that people are
accessing and what is it that people are
lacking and that is really the question
that I'm trying to solve because frankly
and I don't know if this has been your
experience and you and feel free to push
back if it hasn't been but my experience
has been that the Torah that is being
offered the accessible Terror the people
that that people are able to consume
focus is almost exclusively on either
or
some form of character development
Meadows development
some sort and even if it whether it has
a muscle flavor whether it has a Casitas
flavor
but that those are the two main thrusts
and still amudim's doors are being
knocked down
now I'm not a clinician I there's lots
of reasons for that but I'm I'm someone
who has experienced and seen substance
abuse and mood disorders and anxiety and
depression up close
and I can tell you that they're
experienced
with the same frequency
the things that amudim is here to help
correct our experience
with the same frequency by people who
have access to all of these things
there's something about
the approach that we're taking that is
still missing people
even the people that have access and I
agree with you 100 that accessibility
for people with disabilities is a
problem but what I'm focused on is even
after we give them that access there
seems to be a Lacuna in their spiritual
World in their emotional world something
is missing and ironically enough what I
am trying to suggest is that the
solution could be that we're not
thinking big enough in our Torah we are
approaching and the the founders of
hasida said this we our souls are bigger
than ever said our soul we are we are
business generation we like to poke fun
at ourselves and call ourselves
and small people but the truth is that
the average Jew walking on the street
today is a common clock um
awesome
ode compared to what was going on before
in the world we know so much and we're
most of us are not able to employ that
in any way a political Torah what I want
it putting Torah on the same plane that
everyone is operating on anyway to me
seems to me a possible solution to the
problem that we have which is that it's
we're missing the marks them out
okay I'm gonna say a couple of things
which you will see will tie in
okay first of all
and I I actually go back to my parents
who weren't religious okay but
Torah was important to them doing facet
was important to them
on as high a level as they caught
possibly could go
they would go out of their way to help
people we'll get to the politics in a
minute
but
they were there when something was
needed they were there
and from that value system comes the
idea that
as as long as you're doing it personally
helping people you gradually gradually
expand that
and make your family bigger until the
family is the world and that's how you
help somebody climb the steps of the
stage to get political acts you know at
the access that you're asking for the
other thing and I'm going to say this
with some emotion is that I think that
a lot of places are
coming up with the idea of saying
oh
we're gonna bring you a person who is a
Torah observant Jew or a values Torah
and look what a great American he can be
he can be Sandy Koufax he can be a
millionaire a billionaire and he still
values Torah what I say is
choose first thigh on America America is
great but you're but why are you why are
you making America the criteria by which
you measure Jewish success
concentrate on the Judaism make Judaism
a Boiling Pot then go to America
I and I and I on this point I think we
agree because I'll tell you what what I
really mean when I say that we have to
elevate the Torah to a political plane
is that there is a valence of Torah that
informs what politics should be so I
agree with you I'm not speaking
necessarily or or even at all about Jews
certainly being obsessed with American
politics but even Israeli politics which
I think is closer to something that we
should be focused on isn't really the
thrust of what I'm talking about let me
I'll give you an example
so
when I first heard the story of guidon
from the Book of Judges from shofden
this is the way it was told to me
gidon
defeated the midianites
and the Jewish people wanted to reward
him for Sate for being their Savior and
they asked him and his sons and his
progeny after them to rule over them as
a king
and gidon says no I don't want I'm not
going to be your king my children aren't
going to be your king hashem's going to
be your king
and khazal venerate gidon for his
humility it's an incredibly humble act
it's the lahav deal he's the Cincinnatus
of Jewish history the George Washington
of Jewish history right but I'm I say it
tongue-in-cheek but I'm serious because
when you learn that there's an older
Jewish root to the apocryphal story of
George Washington never telling a lie or
not wanting the power and saying and and
and and and not claiming the a Perpetual
throne for himself I think it adds a
Jewish valence to these things I think
it's incredibly powerful I agree with
you but what I would say is
George Washington is the gidon of
American history
in other words don't make George
Washington first make gidon first maybe
George Washington although he didn't
talk about kedon maybe he was influenced
by the Bible that he learned
okay again it's not a debate it's a
question of of or maybe it is a debate
but
um it'll be a debate soon because I I
have I'm gonna go further okay
um
look at
this very portion that we're reading
today about oh this is phiasara whenever
this comes out but we're looking at
um
the struggle of who is going to be king
after King David
and you've got
a younger generation trying to so to
speak usurp
David's Rule and go against what he
promised bathsheva and there's a lot of
usurpers in in the world today and we
have to touch on that
um
maybe you want to be king
but maybe
what the Torah says about not usurping
power even if you think you'd be a
better kid
maybe you should maybe you have to stand
down
but where where is the point of
application for the average Jew so at
Target Town Hall this is what we would
say yes it's true that humility is a
personal virtue that you should learn
from gidon you should learn to question
your own capabilities that's a beautiful
thing and we will make the world a
better place if people do that but what
I would say is we should add a layer of
application and and where is that layer
of application is we should apply the
lessons of guidon to the political realm
as an act of Jewish avoda in other words
you have an agenda you're an educated
Town Hall Jew
Torah Town holds you you want that
agenda to be up on the political stage
well
maybe it's not time for that maybe it's
not time for your party to take the
stage maybe it's time for you to swallow
the bitter pill
and realize either my time is over I
have to do something else we've got a
president who is 80 years old and has to
decide whether he's going to run for
president or not ah very good what would
it what would the Torah say about that
what were the two Jewish televalians say
you're making my point for me Michael if
you're if you're Joe Biden and you're
then the point of application and the
personal and the political point of
application are the same because you are
in the game but for but for the average
person who's not in the game I wanna I
my claim is that there's still a
political point of application that is a
valid form of a votes Hashem and what
does that look like you take the message
from gidon that you want a leader and yo
Tom stands up after abimelech has
crowned King and he says and he lambasts
the ballet for choosing Avi Melech as a
king and he says why are you picking
someone who's running after power the
person who runs after power is going to
end up destroying you and themselves
that lesson can be used by the average
Jew to put to to put their kishkas in to
a a cause that aligns with those values
and then every single door they knock on
if they're going if they're supporting a
gidon if we Elevate the guidonium of the
world
to want to serve and Jews can feel a
part of a political movement that's
infused with Torah I think that is
something that treats the average Jew
like the educated citizen that they are
I I'm just worried that the limiting
terrorist application to the personal
and not accepting the political valence
of Torah is is dooming us to
second to secondary importance basically
in the minds of a lot of people I'll
tell you a point that you mean maybe you
don't I maybe I hope you disagree with
me because then we have a debate but how
many people don't even want to get in
again
how many people say I I don't need a
game I I I wait let me finish I'm
working I have a job I'm a good boy I'm
a good girl I do what I need to do I I
don't I don't need a game you know like
I'm kind of like an ostrich I put my
head in the in the sand you know
we can't do that now so you have to be
in some game because the world is
everybody's in the climate Club okay
it isn't just Joe Biden who's gonna feel
the impact if the climate doesn't if we
don't do something about the climate
everybody's in the
um gun violence game because eventually
it's going to hit somebody that you know
or that you care about it everybody is
in the coved pandemic game it's not a
game but
it's still around it's not going away
and if you don't get involved somehow if
you don't make sure that people pay
attention and do what they're supposed
to well or what at least take a sense
you're in that game these are World
issues okay then we can talk about well
what does Judaism say about the covet
game the climate him you have to be in a
game otherwise if you're not in a game
you're contributing to the world's
downfall
uh yeah I think I think that's right let
me I I if I understood let me kind of
restate part of what you said and you'll
tell me if I got it right
um you know I think that there is uh
there's a Torah that I heard once in the
name of the piazzetsna that really stuck
with me when he's speaking about
educating young kids he has a line that
you have to show kids the beauty of
Torah before they see a Rembrandt
otherwise they're going to think that
beauty is REM is the Rembrandt their
whole lives and Torah is going to be
playing catch-up for the rest of their
lives and I think in in this realm it's
something very similar we are
I you're almost making my point for me
that that people are living in the world
and they're seeing these issues and
they're of burning importance whether
it's because the media sells things as a
dumpster fire so that they can get
clicks and subscriptions or whether the
the problems really are that dire you
probably have to look at each issue
individually but regardless people are
feeling like they have to be involved in
something or the world's falling apart
but the problem is that the views that
they are are that they're offered On Any
Given issue tend to not be informed by
Torah because our education doesn't
focus on what I I call entire town hall
Jewish Civics which is basically these
fundamental ideas of separation of
powers and and you know oftentimes
liberal lowercase L ideals
classical liberal ideals that really
have their roots in in Torah in the
navient and if we knew that we would be
an empowered sophisticated Jewish
citizenry that's really what we're after
I think and then go and take over the
climate movement but do it in a way
that's informed by kavana Tava whatever
whatever Torah ideal you can pluck out
of our tradition and there's a lot to
pluck out in mind that is it's never
been mined for this before in any
systematic way it's an open Frontier
okay I want to go back to something that
the P that you quoted with the PS that's
not about fine Beauty and Torah how do
you find how do you get a kid
to find beauty and Torah okay there is a
famous story about review Oshua I think
that his mother took him to the hall of
study just to hear Torah being learned
that's Beauty okay
um
I'm going to start very very young
let's go to what children aren't exposed
to Jewish children you got all these
interactive toys Welcome to our Learning
Farm there's so much to do and that they
listen to that for an hour you know and
then they want to hear the learning form
there's nothing Jewish about that we
need Jewish
uh you know toys like that to show
Welcome to our Torah Farm there's so
much to learn
yes
and who is the receptacle who is the
conveyor of that Jewish Beauty it's
whoever the primary caregiver is
I'm not
agreeing on gender but it's usually the
mother so if there's something we can do
to support the caregivers that's when
you plant the seed that's when they
that's when they won't run after
Rembrandt they'll run after the Lula of
the escrow will run after Kiddush
Kiddush is beautiful for a kid I I
um it's amazing you ever seen a like a
one-year-old elbowing his way over to
the challenge they know what to do
that's you know beauty is food come on
let's be real that's domestication right
there yeah whatever you want to call it
okay but it's worth for generations and
generations
um and the rambam talks about that he
has a whole education system
um you reward kids with prizes not
forgetting an A and going to Harvard for
Pew for raising money for Jewish quizzes
you bring them up to the front of the
room and shalomi he he got 100 people to
sign up for whatever and we're giving
him
whatever candy
whatever it is
um we don't do that enough if the client
is interested in us following through
we're here every step of the way up
until the very end for some clients
there is no very end they just want us
checking in to make sure everything is
going smoothly if they want a change of
a therapist if they want anything like
that if we're sending a client to a
treatment center we're speaking to her
therapist and her whole team at the
treatment center if there are any issues
where the first person they called to
kind of figure out what we can do to
make the situation better to speak with
them to make her experience at treatment
the best possible
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there's no questions and we live in a
very complicated world today the world
of technology as great as it is has
caused a lot of turmoil out there and
there are a lot of kids struggling out
there with it and um ahmudim is always
there they are always there for us it's
I don't know what we would do without it
today we have a community of close to 80
000 people today and when you're going
to have a community that large from
right to left yeah you're gonna have
problems the problems are out there and
there are hundreds of these problems
maybe even in the thousands from our
community alone that we have brought to
ahmudum's door and they're there for us
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support the people who can bring Beauty
the
give reward
mauras and rebbies who do well in who
are able to inspire kids in Nursery
School kindergarten pre-1a
make them you know
and those people do deserve it they get
they get bubbkas for a salary and they
they're on their feet they're dancing
around they they're they're losing their
voices you know from talking all day
start with them make them the purveyors
of the beauty and then your kid will
never run after a Rembrandt never so I I
don't just and I don't wanna I would
never discount the importance of a
personal touch and and the significance
of uh of a good ready and a good parent
I try to be a good parent and I've been
influenced by by rebbies my entire life
I owe a lot of what I have and what I am
to them but
um it's not scalable that that if we
want to impact
a whole class of people which is not
just one Jewish child which I think is
probably the focus of most most
is the Jewish child that's in front of
them but if you're looking at Enterprise
solutions to
uh frankly a a Torah that's getting
drowned out by the news cycle
we had the satma ready just one of the
Sama Reb is just the other day blasted
the Jewish Community for getting
infected by trumpism without commenting
on the specifics of that phenomenon I do
think that one of the reasons that that
that that that to the extent that he's
right and I think we all it got so much
attention because everybody realizes
that there's an element of it that's
correct
um the reason that it happened is
because there's no alternative
they're being that that is the that's
the discourse across every medium that
that every
resident of this country
pays attention to
and Judaism has never shied away from
cultural trends
right that's what the environmental
basically says that is what the good
gimmel ikram of the rambam were was a
cultural Trend people were concerned the
other faiths were consolidating their
their their doctrines into pithy
statements of faith and that was really
getting people's attention the same way
that clickbait is getting our attention
today
and what Judaism did is it adapted with
the rambam said we've never set we've
never committed a set of principles of
Faith to writing before but we have to
now or we're gonna get left behind and I
think the same thing is true the samurai
says don't the Jews have been infected
by trumpism they should really be
focused on what what Jews have
traditionally been focused on I'm saying
no the reason that we were they were
infected with the trumpism is because
that is what they were focused on if
they had a Jewish politics alternative
if gidon
if that's what people were shouting the
trumpism would fall away in a second he
wouldn't hold a candle he wouldn't hold
a candle he would have he would be he
would be nobody
I'm going to
go to a surprising vantage point and
that is the Bible Belt I'm not talking
about the Bible Belt that's going after
that that's following Trump I'm talking
about uh and I know a Mormon
who's a very wonderful person but she
and her church their very Bible oriented
and they do
take a stand when they need to take a
stand but their stand is
find a way to do good and do it and if
you can model it on a Biblical figure
then do that and they do
um
she actually scared me sometimes she
would say in the morning she'd say um I
talked to God today and he told me so
and so
so I would say like oh could we try to
get that font a little smaller so that
we can get it on the same page but
God was very present in her thinking
just like Joseph
God never spoke to Joseph he never said
a word to Joseph but Joseph was very God
oriented
and maybe that's the kind of uh then
then Joseph can say well what about the
wife of codaphor what do I do with this
value what I do what do I do about
paro's dreams it's all comes from
and again this is a Christian kind of
aphorism what would God say in this
situation how would God apply himself to
politics to these politics I'm not
saying to say that God is going to say
somebody's right and somebody's wrong
I'm saying God is saying how are you
going to look at it
and it's not
you know um there used to be a joke that
Jay Leno said that uh God can't be
Democratic because he makes mistakes and
God can't be Republican because he's
kind and gentle but many of these things
are on our ongoing struggles but at
least struggle with a Divine
um crown on top of your struggle
okay
um and
I'm going to apply this to disability
don't say oh I know all about disability
I read a book
about Helen Keller I read a book about
uh Louis Braille
um
no
what
what do we get from God values when we
look at disability
one of them that's very important to God
is the Dignity of every human being not
because
they're smart not because because
they're created in the image of God
how would it change
our political views if we kept
emphasizing that we are created in God's
image yes yes exactly that's not
I don't hear that a lot in synagogues
I don't hear that a lot on any debates
about God's image what values come from
God's from being created in God's image
and it changes because as you mature
your ability to
exhibit that image of God should grow
and let me if I could Michael let me let
me put a point on what you're saying I
think that there's two ways that you can
anchor a belief in a political belief in
Torah there's two ways that you can
enter the Public's Arena
and try to put forward a tougher idea
one I would call sort of like uh a meta
application and the other maybe a
specific application and you know that
has a beautiful Torah he says why is it
that the sages always try to find the
smackdas uh for for the halachos even if
they don't really need them right they
they could a smack the bomb a general
reference to a verse in the Torah
doesn't really do anything for the
weight of the authority so why is it
that they do it and the answer is
because you always try to bring the
light of Terror into things that's what
I've said and kazal were legislators at
bottom they were they governed and then
we don't think of them that way but they
were Governors they they were they were
mahoka Kim they they had legislation
they were also judges and even in
pre-colonial America
um and in and in British mandate
Palestine there was uh a mixture an ad
mixture of the Judiciary and the
legislature that is foreign to most
Americans and and
Israelis now but I but but the point is
that um
one way you can do it is a General
application I'm not necessarily I I
think it could be at present that's what
we should really be focusing on not on
implementing very specific policy
positions that are necessarily Guided by
very nuanced Terror positions but
applying
even sukim getting very tied to God's
revelation in politics I think has the
ability to ignite a Jewish Pride that I
think has been lacking and really Infuse
people with a sense of purpose that
transcends their Humanity in a real way
um one of the things that Tara town hall
and you can see this I have a little
clip at Tara townhall.com you can see
this video that one of the things that
we discovered is that there's a reading
of the the hate of
adamarisham that sees his mistake as a
legislative error that really what
happened the the mishna Navas to
rabinasan says is that Adam arishon told
kavi you're not supposed to touch the
tree that's not what God said he and he
enacted a piece of legislation the law
said you're not allowed to touch the
tree and the mishna in in Abu Nissan
says why is it that Adama rishan decided
to enact a piece of legislation on top
of God's legislation because he didn't
like what God said that's really what
the mishnah says
and that's not a reason to legislate so
in one reading of the cinema of
adamarishan the original sin of man was
poor legislation what we would call in
modern American jurisprudence arbitrary
and capricious legislation it was the
regulatory state was the that's what
happened we over-regulated gun Aiden and
we got kicked out
that was a little bit facetious but you
know what I'm saying it's a powerful way
to think about it I I want to add
something uh and I'm sorry you should
forgive me I forget his first name Rabbi
Robinson from Lincoln Square synagogue
did a whole
semester's worth so to speak on that
very topic of judgment and kingship
and what happened when they overlapped
um there's also a perfect example you
know Jewish history it's not Jewish
history is another great source of
application it's not just
um uh alafa look at The Maccabees you
know happy Hanukkah to everyone and I'm
you know I'm going to eat vodkas just
like everybody else but the Maccabees
decided that not only they didn't stay
kohanim they decided we want to be
leaders also
they they took a
they took a stance
they took a position in Judaism that
they really shouldn't have taken let the
davidic dynasty continue the kingship
and you support them in with your
teaching and your whatever you can okay
it's to the point now where if somebody
says that they're a Maccabee they're a
descendant of a Maccabee you don't
believe them there are no Maccabees left
except for the pizza
but the point is that was a huge mistake
in uh taking over
um or or maybe it wasn't a mistake to
take over but they they stayed
overstayed their welcome right and I'm
gonna I'm gonna say something else
um
there is a and this has to be infused
somehow there is a Jewish
almost racial longing for the Messiah
okay this is from a lecture I heard by
Rabbi Gerson Cohen uh in 1972.
um
people went crazy
when shop type 3 was declared the
Messiah by many people
um because in in the Jewish soul
there's
we have to fix this we have to do
something why is it that so many Jews
are in the new causes socialism
communism
um Buddhism all the isms it's because if
we can't have Messiah we're going to
find an ism to replace it uh some forms
of Zionism
are like that I'm not condemning them
but
let's take our ISM longing
and find good outlets for it
by the way I'll mention there is a word
ableism
uh I have my isms too ableism means
thing that will people with disabilities
have to adjust to society the way it is
no
Society has to
change so that we can be integrated
now I'm going to ask what if every
organization including amadim including
Richmond town hall or town hall said we
are going to abide by the Americans with
Disabilities Act because it is the law
of the land
nobody's doing it
or very few people are doing it they
don't have to in other words religion
religious organizations are exempt from
it but it is the it is the law
okay
so that's my point if you're going to
have an ism learn how to apply it
look at look at David hamillev he he did
a terrible thing well there's a debate
whether he did a terrible thing with
butcheva or not
but he
saw that he was wrong
what if you called there was something
called rightism meaning anything I do is
right okay
um
what about the idea that you could be
wrong what about that as a Jewish value
you could be wrong you might think
you're not wrong but you have to always
be open to the possibility
you politicians you
Torah Town Hall that you or your family
or your tribe could
be wrong
if we had people
entering the political scene like that
they wouldn't jump to conclusions they
would stop they would look before they
left and say I might be wrong I I think
Michael
um one of the other re I I hear I hear I
and and I think a a trepidation that we
are not ready
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um that we have to be worthy uh as Torah
Jews before we step on to a public stage
I think holds a lot of people back I
think a lot of people know the mishnah
in avos that you're supposed to stay far
away from rabonis I think people know
that I think there are certain
platitudes in Judaism you know gershom
Shalom the the mysticism professor at
Hebrew University famously said in
reaction that the Hasidic movement in a
reaction to shabbat SV effectively
killed political messianism in Judaism
and casidos basically said we're going
to focus on the internal
um I I think that in PR uh de facto he
might be right but du jour I don't think
that he that he necessarily has to be
right I think that in an educated
sophisticated person today who is
inspired by Torah can very easily and
before they are a perfect Mala
be motivated to take that knowledge base
and that passion and that motivation to
the political Arena not only can they I
think they have to because I as the
recent elections in Israel have shown
the the religious world needs to be
ready to govern now because the
religious World in Israel is about to
govern
okay and I think I'm I'm optimistic that
that the people in that government will
feel the harada will feel the
trepidation and the weightiness of their
responsibility
um as they should but it would help a
lot if we were simultaneously and
concurrently developing Doctrine around
them so they have a political Theory to
draw on that is that that's
sophisticated I have there's I have
books on my shelf about the history of
political Zionism religious political
Zionism as it were and the books are
very thin and the ideology is all over
the place the truth is that we should
have been doing this a long time ago
but if you want a rallying point for all
Jews I really think in a world where the
Jews are obsessed with pilate where the
world is obsessed with politics voter
turnout across democracies is up
all over the world people are tuning in
to politics 24 7. it has become For
Better or Worse a lot for better and a
lot for worse a lot for Worse
a reality TV show for most people rather
than shying away from it we should be
sanctifying it I'm I'm confident that's
what the rom-bombs of the world would be
doing if we had them and I think we do
have them we have very talented people
everything is everything you're saying
has its roots in Torah okay
we just have to teach it one of the one
of the um
which has to be applied very carefully
but there's a famous statement
your Torah is being destroyed you have
to get out there and do something okay
you're not perfect well guess what
there's no perfect
you look through the whole tunnel let's
stay with the Torah is there anybody
perfect in Torah no but they did what
they needed to do at least you know
avraham he wanted to include Ishmael
in more things he he was too tender
towards his smile
um Yitzhak
um
you talk like asaph okay it backfired on
him yaakov yaakov maybe could have done
things
um
I don't I don't want to comment on the
other but the point is that
nobody was perfect and it caused us but
but if we had done nothing again you
have to do something
um now as far as I I wanted to comment
on this also yes we have a religious uh
Israeli government but hey you Israeli
government
religious people that we uh are looking
up to what Torah values are you going to
emphasize
that's a that's another question
especially are you going to say that
people with disabilities should reach
their Max potential or are you going to
say
no just let them be as they always have
been
um
what values there is a that by the way
there is a Val there is a rabbinic value
yaphat
if you have Torah you also have to have
an occupation you have to many many
rabbis uh many scholars were
we're workmen also are you going to say
that everybody who wants to learn should
learn and not be allowed and not have to
work and not have to pull their own
weight
what are you going to say about that
failure
okay
um
so pick you know you
new religious
coalition
what values are you going to pick and
and
maybe you just need to struggle with
them and you know before we
wholeheartedly run
to what we think are the best values I
think that that is what that that is how
the the achievement of the the
achievement of a religious government
turns into a sanctification of God's
name but more than that it can be a
refuge in a Haven for Jews who feel lost
it can be a way for people to plug in in
in other words in other words I think
that there is a there is a world in
which the
placement of
a a religious government in a position
to to ferret out these positions from
the from the Yamaha talmud from the sea
of Torah
is an opportunity to engage countless
Jews in deep meaningful to our learning
that also ties in with the things that
they care about and I agree with you 100
you could imagine just just imagine if
the resources were were put in place to
develop a
hurray coherent theory that supported a
policy of adaptation and integration of
infrastructure to increase accessibility
for disabled people it would do a few
things at the same time it would achieve
a policy objective which is it would it
would change zoning it would change
things on the ground and it would also
be a place for people to expand their
spiritual Horizons and when you combine
those two things that's I think that's
mikdash I think that is that's what in
my mind whether I'm right or wrong
something like that is what the the
Jewish world was like during the first
place I I agree with you but I would say
this
every initiative that you do every
initiative
accepting nothing
leads Lea left out of what I'm saying
whatever you do whether it's bringing
galuch Judaism back into touch with
um which they are doing I think they
want to reach 700 000 people in the
galloup every initiative at some point
the question has to be built into the
plan
how are we going to make this work for
people with disabilities and if you're
going to do that then you have to have
people with disabilities at the table
not under the table
at the table
as equal Partners just like
women have achieved in many circles
equal partnership
um
um I don't agree with all the gender
things but they want equal partnership
we want equal partnership not
trickle-down partnership
and it it's not easy it takes resources
but think what you lose if you don't
involve us
so yes I think we agree I think where we
disagree or not disagree but where we
struggle is
how much
and where is the money going to be spent
do you want okay Jewish values new
Israeli government are you going to
support a camp
just for people with disabilities or are
you going to support a camp for
everybody where you where you bring in
the support that a person with a
disability needs don't assume that we
want to stay with our own kind
and that's done a lot you know as well
as I do you've got and I'm sorry um they
do a lot of good things and I'm happy
that they're doing it you've got ask
you've got a high Lifeline you've got
yard Beyond you've got a lot of these
organizations you've got kids of courage
well why not just funnel your resources
to the mainstream
and give us people with disabilities
campers students
bring us in with the support that we
need beautiful I think I think we're I
think we're wrapping up soon it's a I
we've come to what seems like a a
logical stopping place I just I want to
say
um one thing in closing
um in support of Terror town hall and
amudim at the same time
um I in my experience with
the types of struggles that Amo deems
um
target audience deals with uh
a lot of it is rooted in a fear
a lot of the substance abuse problems I
think that people deal with
um in my experience stem from
not feeling like there's a really good
chance that your dreams are going to
come true
um I
have seen how people
who are given a flicker of Hope
can be lit on fire and brought back to
life
um I'm not saying that it's that simple
or that it's ever simple for anyone or
that it's that simple for everyone
but
I think that the services that amodeen
provides saves lives and after those
lives are saved
and they're looking to plug into
something bigger
I think when they look at the world
around them
um frankly we need more materials that
plug Jews in to the big issues of the
day along with Torah that they get
spirituality and sustenance and economic
success in the same place that their
Jewish lives and their in real life
lives and their digital lives are all
integrated and if we don't meet people
where they are I'm afraid we'll leave a
lot of them behind and there's a lot of
promise and opportunity may I conclude
even that
everything you're saying has something
in Torah that says it and I'll tell you
what worked for me every day three times
a day
four on Shabbos we say that God revives
the dead correct
they're asking you is that correct yeah
okay if God can revive the dead then he
can certainly revive people who feel
dead people who feel they have no dream
he can do that and so and that is a
that's also a great miracle but just as
he can revive the dead so he can revive
the living
yeah I think that's a beautiful thing
thank you amadeem this was really great
thank you Michael for being here thank
you again for giving both of us this
opportunity
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we are sometimes approached by parents
for assistance and one of the ways in
which we can provide assistance very
often is by referral to an organization
like amudim because nowadays the number
of families in our in our community in
our world who need the kind of help that
Amazon provides is grown exponentially
and from all backgrounds from the best
homes as they say it's important for
Wolf college so to be aware of the
services that are available through our
modem hopefully none of them will ever
need it but in fact
quite a few of them will and of course
recognizing how
urgent the problem of raising healthy
families and then
today's very challenging world it is
worthy of cause as there is out there to
support an organization like which does
such wonderful work in this area
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if we can show that we have unlimited
patience and unlimited love
4. a certain child a person in a hard
time
so then it demands from God to also be
patient with us this is what I see in a
Muslim
sit with the staff I hear their talk
every day they hear tragedy upon tragedy
upon tragedy
and guess what they come back they renew
themselves they re-inject positivity
they give hope they give life to people
there are many great organizations out
there but we're living in a Time
that the challenges that before has
never existed
maybe it has but it's never been
publicized this is why I think this is a
preferred sadaka it's because these
children and these young adults that are
being challenged they are victims
themselves and the majority of
civilizations said that his Michigan
write them off
and we're coming and saying we're going
to give you unconditional love and for
those that are investing
don't we all want a little bit more love
so we know the world Works merits for
merit we invest into unconditional
infinitive love God willing we should
receive it
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our show we had a program last year
called off the record with some amazing
producers or Rangers this year we
decided to take it up a notch it is my
privilege to be here in the studio and
bring this to you guys some of the
biggest names back when there weren't
singers every other day dropping albums
there was more Heaven David there was
Alvin freed it was a guy called Karbach
maybe a few other groups but individuals
there was very few and we are fortunate
to have with us some of the first
individuals Superstar singers who grew
up in choirs back in the day launched
their own solo careers first off we have
surely williger with me
we have shlemy Dax I'm sure all of you
know pleasure to be here and the
composer producer and arranger and choir
leader yitzy Wald what an honor so I
mean the fact that I'm here in the room
with you really speak spell is I had
each and every one of your cassettes now
you produced Bundy walls albums as well
as Ira Heller and many other singers so
I had Mendy's first album which I'm sure
was probably your first big production
at that point right
albums before that uh uh Sully and
surely's album who clout I had except
for that is real first yeah the voice of
a new it was the voice of a new
generation before the Millennia and then
uh one day at a time that big striking
pink cover with that clock over there it
was for slimy or Mendy I actually think
you were first
no no who was after my after I came out
with after you I think might have been
Mandy and then Mandy so I think we I
have all the albums you worked on Mindy
wald's album I believe that was probably
your first big production and the world
was my first big production but I worked
with slowly and slimy prior to that uh
so yeah he was involved in the album I
composed I believe six to seven songs
at home I found it today swirlies of
course the voice of a new generation
right I said of course that will Claw on
there and tap there and now your voices
probably have a new generation no no has
it changed after you reached that thing
next level in life and uh slimy's one
day at a time that strikingly pink cover
with that alarm clock on it Kamal
and one day at a time of course crazy
and and yeah so yitzy produced Mendy's
album and yet he was a new producer at
that time your Camille produced your
album you were or his name was on the
production correct and your Camille was
you were the first solo act that he
produced at that time correct and Yogi
was a new producer at that time he
really did yeah we're talking about
we're
seven to eight years before shwaki even
releases debut album uh more than seven
eight years yeah I'm talking about the
time the album came out
this album came out in 94 I think
Truckee came out in 2001. Jacob grew up
on our music that's true we all grew up
on your music pretty amazing it's pretty
funny when you talk to singers nowadays
you know you meet Benny Friedman Ellie
Marcus Shapiro they they grew up on
everything that you guys sing it's
actually humbling when I meet a lot of
them and they tell me that they grew up
and were inspired by us Paving the way
for entertainers to who have talent to
put out their music it's very humbling
and it's it's a wonderful feeling it
really is so recording an album As We
Know is a very big expense even today
that's right 2000 and 22 2023 it is a
big expense how big was it for the two
of you and then we'll come back to ESC
but how big of an expense was it for you
guys to even consider you know getting
the money together to record an album
right so even
what is it 27 years ago about 20 years
ago it was still in the 60 70 000 range
to produce an album because that's even
before you put away money for
advertising you were looking at a it
wasn't a 25 000 story
and you didn't have that proof that oh I
I can make it back by performances not
at all because it didn't exist yet
correct shall I mean so I had a very
unique story where right when I was
coming out somebody knew entered the
business and changed the entire business
a game changer his name is Izzy talba
Feld all of a Shalom
Distributors and Yohi put me in contact
with him we had a meeting the three of
us at kids on Levine studio
and we met and he was such a special
person and Yogi and I basically
convinced him that I might be the next
big thing and he was looking for a new
guy to put out and believe it or not he
did something that was unprecedented he
had he wrote me out a check that covered
the entire expense of the album yeah and
in in in my in with in and he in return
printed I think 10 000 CDs or then it
was cassettes and and then then and
um we hoped that he would run out of
them and then order more and the rest is
history and it was such a relaxing to
know that you didn't lose money and you
already had your money up front it was
unprecedented but albums were a fortune
like surely said 75 80 000 of course
even then I still remember I came to
Borough Park from Montreal for Hanukkah
I ran to 13th Avenue grab a cover
country Ulster magazine and
the skinny guy is sitting there on the
cover smiling at me with my big tinted
glasses that's right
surely so you you didn't obviously
didn't have the right connections then
it was again it was a few years before
then because when when is the tablet did
come into the business but so I we I had
the same thing but I was I put out one
or two albums before you make it right
or not it was I'm not sure which album
but it was
cover you know the expenses and
obviously did make back the money it was
a decent investment at that time as well
so
there was one there was one advantage
back then yes
um there was a lot less copying in terms
of uh yeah you have to get a double
cassette recorder right buy a blanket
set and put it in yeah press record and
play at the same time let it play itself
out then flip them over and do it again
and it's interesting that you're
bringing that up the difference between
today and and yesteryear I tell that to
performers I said I tell them on one
hand we were very few and we were we
were busy and we were all over the place
today you have many many more
entertainers many more singers but today
it's a different world the only way a
song Who cloud or any song of mine
hamalach got became famous was only if
somebody we got the distributed went to
the store in Chicago or or Minneapolis
bought the CD and listened to it
otherwise there was no there's no even
places there was no internet there was
no Spotify there was nothing there was
no Instagram there was nothing that you
could immediately today the minute a
song is done it could it could on the
other hand there's so much more copying
and people downloading and you you make
it it's hard to make a living it's an
expensive business card today to put out
a CD but it's uh the different world
instance today we didn't have that
people people then I mean and I was at
the in the business at that time people
then could literally
could make a CD and if Mark Hassan was
successful let's say it sold 25 000
copies or 30 000 copies which was doable
back then if it was a very successful
album you could actually make a living
from a CD you didn't really have to sing
a Hassan at night pretty much okay like
you could literally make 150 000 worth
of sales of an album
um and and that's a decent partner for
uh for for you know back then and
because of all that copying now the
performers have to rely more on
performances to actually make their
living weddings and concerts I remember
how Romy gurari told me that once people
started copying at that time he says the
whole business changed and now everybody
has to perform each night to actually
make a living when you could have made
us a living off a CD and truthfully all
that Geneva was incorrect it wasn't
right and of course the singer to have
to work a lot harder in the performance
and rather than just be a solo singer on
a CD album and sometimes find a business
to support his family right so by the
way if you think that's pretty funny
that you you guys are selling albums
that today's biggest singers don't touch
the numbers
I mean I'm from freedom warham and David
are not selling 25 30 000 albums anymore
the average listener doesn't know that
the average album barely breaks 10.
it depends on that we don't notice a
spot in a different you're right we
don't know the streaming numbers this is
streaming is not owning can't accuse
everybody so my first couple of albums
it was before the it was when CDs came
out was when the real real copying
started
escapes were very hard right it was when
the CDs came out is that's when the real
uh copying thing started for a good few
years that's when we win Mortal Kombat
David I'm afraid they all made promos
about if you remember back in the day
sure please like they were begging
people not to do it so that was a kufa
like my three fourth like number three
four five album it was like like Jackie
Mason said everyone no one sells uh
Sweet and Low everyone just takes it
from the you know the restaurant yeah
my songs were everywhere but no one
bought an album it's like rabelski my
Revenue
I mean he was one of the few that came
out strong would anybody go into a
grocery store and just take a box of
cereal or milk out of the store he felt
literally he's taking you're taking from
the if you copy it you bought a CD it's
very nice so there are ethereum you know
in the family make an extra one for your
family I have this discussion with get
on Levine by the way many years ago I
wanted another copy of Best of the Best
and we had a Charlotte and we asked
people remember Camp star with that
sorry Bluth was there
I remember shlomi said that uh I think
we asked him a camp one year and he said
uh if you have one at home and you want
one for the car
then that would be okay because you paid
for one to use the family you can't use
in both locations but even when I asked
Guido and he's like I would still
appreciate a phone call or an email or a
snail mail ask me can I make a copy for
my car so I will tell you a great story
I had a child an eighth grader call me
once from St Louis and asking me
permission you hear his mother in the
background tell slimy that's you love
his music and you'd like to use it make
a copy of his of his cassette I think it
was uh or maybe it was a CD and he said
to me can I have permission so I said
you know what put your mother on the
phone I call his mother I get his mother
on the phone and I said give me your
address I'm Gonna Mail him one so she
says no no I didn't want a free one I
didn't want you to mail it I said let me
just mail him one he someone who has
such pain to call me to ask me if I say
yes on the phone then he'll tell all his
friends oh let me Zach said it's okay to
copy my CV so I said let me mail him one
with a little note thank you enjoy my
music and now I didn't tell you you
could go copy it but you deserve a
beautiful and autograph CD and I sent
him one but it's it took to change the
whole business it really really did so
the fact that you guys ruled the 90s and
2000s is amazing but all of your careers
started a lot earlier than that you were
all child soloists you were all in
choirs as kids we have Shalom Shirley
williger as as the shmuelberg put out a
a few years back always it's superstars
of yesteryear I'm from free sorely
williger bendy Wald et cetera et cetera
slimy was in silver of course
I don't know how I had the time I thank
my mother for for doing this and a bunch
of years later
was the assistant principal
regular right and he says the same thing
real thing
you know I guess and I was I was
thinking back then seven eight years old
nine years old was it something your
parents have to think a lot about
um my father Oliver Shalom was very
mockbit on certain things
um he did not let me perform meaning
there's no live performance even silver
right it was no never live performance I
don't know really but they were in for
choirs yeah not for I never performed uh
in the mudish age I never performed
silver zemer oh Department of recordings
and the rehearsals Hashem Boys Choir The
neither recordings yeah
we did by mid by end of arms
and it's the first time ever that I
gotta check I got paid to do it anybody
else they paid by the way I don't know I
saw most the music they redid the
graphics for 6 13 they put it on one
like one album I don't know if it's a
USB or a CD but
they read and this is after what like 40
years that was yeah that was six years
that I remember yesterday's top I don't
remember but I remember a song from 30
years not so easy slime your gimmer
wasn't that bad don't worry about it and
and to yasi's credit yossi is involved
also very much in getting singers to put
some of their older albums back on
Spotify and other things
you got that 49 cents the other day
PayPal yes
Stampers with more than the Jack
actually your parents remarkable about
you being in choirs and Performing or
not really no and uh they they allowed
me they felt it was it's always a
catch-22 I have parents even today that
call me should I send my kid my child to
to be part of a choir or not and you
have to know your child
um it could be the greatest opportunity
you you gain confidence by the time I
was by Mitzvah I could Lane in front of
a thousand people I was very confident
it was very good for me my mother and my
father they wanted me to I went to
Polanco Mexico with your ahmil I went
with slovazamera all over the place we
went and there was a very very good
experience Brooklyn College was uh very
much easier local but I I did perform
but you have to know your child if it's
right for them you didn't sing live but
were you on any of the album covers your
picture or not
um I was the gorilla in that movie
that's that six foot two at eight years
old nah
um no done with the picture one with a
double album that opened up yeah the one
that I was on that me me and shlomiana
from correct English let me and I
whatever
we had that album got disappeared after
like a year or two shopping
we stumped him he doesn't know
that was the other one before this one
had a problem I think solo I think duet
would have run freed and even those days
in technology we didn't even have to be
in the studio together wow really yeah
in the in the early 80s so the One Solo
that I also did whatever he was still
about her he was still single but he was
still much older than us I don't know
how much older I never saw him in the
studio even then never even saw him it's
so interesting how they do it I don't
remember which I don't know which song
it was it was I think of
so he put that on a uh Schmo Burger put
that on
that um and yet see you I was in silver
Zimmer now your parents are strict about
you being oh they loved it it was great
were you playing accordion by the time
you were in the choir I was playing
according for two years prior today is
that crazy nine years old playing
accordion my mother some was very into
me playing accordion it was really cool
I remember the teacher Miss loner so she
she would come every Friday and teach me
like new songs from these books and uh I
play like a Beethoven piece and she give
me these notes and she said practice for
the weekend at the end of the next week
she'd come like upset down after the
lesson say to my mother she'd say uh I
don't understand he's like he's changing
all the notes of the Beethoven piece who
does he think he's he thinks he's a
composer or something that's where my
mother she's really funny it was very
funny in that at that time I was it was
playing around with songs I still
remember my first song and uh I saw I
showed my second song Brazil when I was
11. wow and then uh
after that I started composing many many
songs but I still remembered silver
zemer I was in Camp David ass which
slowed me actually slim is probably the
one from all of you that I go back the
most with because he was a staff member
when I was a camper 91. does he look a
little older yeah we're not the show
isn't about me it's about you guys
it was 91 and there were a couple
campers uh there was a guy Stein from
Muncie and he was a so it was there a
boy right and a few years later that's
the 17 seconds
my cousin y'all see some of them was a
camper of yours I remember slimy showing
Avon Rosenberg some recordings this one
with the double cassettes the two
cassettes one after the next or even
separate tape recorders and slimy would
record himself singing on one tape
recorder and then harmonize himself and
take a second tape recorder and record
that one this before double cassette and
he would play it from from Rosenberg
choir practices I still remember I
didn't take one song of it even yeah he
ended up buying four songs to me uh
around Rosenberg eventually which ones
one of them slugged me sang it was
called at that time it's called
and he changed it to eight
and it worked it's volume six it was
there but I had a great time in silver
Zemmer uh I was so low I never got I
never got to sell those but uh but
that's why yitzy is good now as a choir
leader because now that he has his own
choir he's like I gotta give each kid a
solo like I I didn't have so much I
gotta give each kid a solo the fourth
son of a summer he was a different choir
do you know that
um
my father let me perform really yeah
I'm not sure if it was still this Hashem
okay so I think okay
I saw a little bird as well
and added a blue I'll tell you a cute
thing about 10 years ago all of a sudden
I get in the mail a beautiful big
picture of me as a 10 or 11 year old
getting kaiso bracha from the labama
really and you see I remember Elizabeth
in the back and we performed at one time
we had that evening in Crown Heights
you know how long for you Mom that was
it great so he's saying that for the so
basically everybody was in the choir and
and got bit by the music bug and said
hey
let me see let me see if I can actually
all right so supportive I had such fun
in silverzone was really amazing we went
to so many concerts we performed with
Mordechai Ben David
by the way I'm sorry for interrupting
sober Zimmer was in Montreal in in
late 80s early 90s they came for like a
Hanukkah thing and I was like until
December like I never even heard so
Zimmer coming to a small back town then
it was back then but like my Yahoo mail
came in 91 or 92 and like yitzy spinner
was there when Eric golden I was like oh
my gosh right like it was like a monster
Shabbos on this amazing uh concert hall
on top of a hill but growing up I didn't
have concerts like you guys had Around
the Clock here in the tri-state area it
was once in a blue moon somebody came
and you were lucky enough if you were
allowed to go though we didn't have to
worry about you she was amazing where'd
you go last night okay you're suspended
get out of here
so who cloud
debut album voice of a new generation
how old were you silly I was
I think 25 or 26 and you were married
already Yes because my my damn said
don't put out an album till you're
married you waited I came out with
Hanukkah after I got married I got
married in June Hanukkah my album was uh
was out you're that young 25. you
reported songs before that I mean you
did coincidence albums you sang pistoly
at the first concert the Miami
experience one you sang it at that both
of you sangamammy experience yeah I sing
get my experience before who clocked I I
think I said yeah yeah a year before
that's amazing I remember when the Miami
experience one came out the double album
with the gold cover over there we camped
out with us and it was like slimy Dax
show me that because the counselor the
thing is about me and surely I look I
look back now color War when I became
when I was older as a staff member and
we're picking teams and you're looking
for who you want to who's going to be
the the best baseball hitter who's going
to be they used to flip for us who's
going to be he's on one team and his
kids because
they're the only campers that were picks
the question is did one of you win more
than I was picked all the time but did
your team win my team won every time but
he says
okay it's like Rabbi nothing to me I
heard from the judges that we won call
Awards what do we want slimy what do you
want come on
amazing thing to be picked for choirs
and we we flips okay you are civilians
it was nice like looking back you know
that's amazing do you remember Eleazar
benowitz in Canada with us or not sure
sure sure was a Fame Miami Boys Choir
soloist he was in the main experience
too he's saying my zaidi father and his
father was the camp Rabbi the camper of
that year and he was this shy kid and we
tried to coach him into choirs he was
very reluctant he was starting he's
starting to break in now he wants to
sing at weddings
I know what he does for a living he came
to my house to take care of me but uh he
gives voice lessons yeah I'm serious
well he has Rubino it's amazing advice
so you're 25 and you're putting all this
money into your debut album and I just
found out something that I never knew
uh oh I found out that you almost had a
different producer on your album
oh yeah supposedly somebody wrote six
songs and and you guys were like working
together
is that true for sure an original
originally slowly approached me and we
almost saw in the contract
to work together I remember that his
father was there overlooking the
contract we were I was young and so he
was uh I think I definitely put down
some of the Clauses and then his father
was reviewing it and we were ready to
sign and solely got back to me and
rightfully so and I I still would say I
still get it he said at that time and he
thought about he thought about it he
said you'd see you you only produced
music but you don't put people on stage
you've you've never really done that
right so he decided to go to the the
master of people who make shows producer
of shows and he he went with him because
he felt that as a producer he's also
going to get him on shows I wouldn't get
him on shows and he got him on the show
Before You album even came out look at
that so that's that's what happened so
which which six songs Do You Remember
well though you Russo we we put together
in the basement I think slowly you found
the words found the words it's uh from
zaira
25 years old
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but uh it's words that fit to the song
it was a nigging
I thought we needed words and uh that's
it he would come over to me in basement
between you know between this month of
course
the regular guys sitting and learning it
you weren't married but I wasn't I
wasn't Carlos okay so that's one yeah we
have Hookah
by the way it's beautiful
nobody caught it and it's on the album
to this day wow and you know nobody
quoted me I don't say fish
I don't do uh
foreign
I would say that ahmudim is
vital to the mental health of the entire
Jewish Community I know it sounds like a
really like a grand statement but the
fact is that you know I get phone calls
all the time you know people need all
different types of help that are not
necessarily what we deal with and uh you
know the answer could almost always just
be call mudum and they're going to help
you amudum is like The Missing Link the
key to a lot of the gaps in the services
that are being offered in the Jewish
Community there are a lot of amazing
organizations out there doing a lot of
amazing work and they're all kind of all
over the place
I moved him kind of centralizes all of
them and is a tremendous resource that
gives people that are struggling with
almost anything access to a resource and
they will point you in the right
direction to be able to really support
you to get to the kind of help that you
need and if you want to be somebody
who's involved with that and if that's
something that's important to you then
this is a place where you should be
supporting
I remember back in 1998 I got a phone
call from a friend of mine who's
learning Montreal his name is yassi
Newman Mazel Tov his son got engaged the
other night I don't know if you're here
and uh he says I have to be in the
lookout for two things what okay one
this new guy coming out with an album
his name is Ellie gerstner Ellie my kind
of the name is
what's next I have a song on an album
coming out with you sir with certainly
really good I say you do he says yeah
sure enough we can make it right comes
out and and he had one of the songs on
there really I don't you know which one
it was yes I think it's uh
okay I'll look it up I'll look on the uh
you have the album here I don't have
that
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guys
talking about the uh Cloud album yes so
we were pretty much done and then yitzy
comes over and we went and uh we had 10
songs already with another song oh my
God
you don't understand
wow
what no and then we got it got it
in his mind two years later that's crazy
wow yeah it was a thousand dollars it's
probably too expensive
remember we went to Liam in the back
over there yeah
over there of course yeah you listen to
it so so yeah
surely willinger almost sad by the way
when did it change for me to throw out
the story I'm very confused about this
um about the fifth album right after
desire all right when did it change from
walliger to williger right he's found he
wanted to make sure the checks didn't
bounce no it's just better for the I
w-i-l-l but my name is
when you met me the first time I we I
introduced Aaron zotler
so Aaron zotler heard it you played in
the demo that I made and came through
with us and we recorded on our double
cassette album right I recorded the
music and you added your voice on top of
it and remember you played thousands all
arms says I know you're welcome let me
show it to him he calls me up when I was
maybe 16 years old 17 years old at the
time he says to me you know you're 20
years ahead of your time this is not
typical Jewish music uh but we'll we'll
see if we can find some way to get it
out and eventually you sang it at the
moment
thank you no no no yeah actually he was
he introduced the song and
who do I think should sing it at the
Miami experience I mentioned your name
as the as a single question but you said
you had a connection when did you get to
Miami I was an alumni as years earlier
but I guess
Mr Miami was was the hundred men choir
one I always thought that was slimy's
introduction to Miami it was Miami Boys
Choir I was in Miami
I did not sing the opposite of what he
did I did not sing on any album
right I did the solos give me some songs
I don't remember oh come on
that's the other song
that was one of my songs that I loved
and I did but I I went to Polanco Mexico
with him I we went we went to Midwest we
went I actually you're right I never
sang on a Miami album really but I uh
so remember if that I sing one song
I wasn't in the choir
foreign
and all of a sudden shlomi starts to
sing
you don't hear anything really and my
heart drops my first one being
oh my friend nobody hears this song
right they didn't hear this voice and he
didn't
he spotlights on him he's not here well
you usually don't cry
and nothing's going on and finally he
gets it somebody gets his attention that
his voice is not being heard like 20
seconds into the song
and uh and uh uh she let me turns around
I couldn't believe that he had the guts
to do this he stolen is leaning as a big
Orchestra and she let me goes
stop and he stops the whole thing he
stops the music
they gave you a new mic and he restarted
again you're talking about that I had a
story with uh only many years later I
was singing in Brooklyn College
had just come out composed by yitzy bold
third album I come I come onto stage and
in the front row you if you've ever been
on a stage you really can't see a second
you could see the person one first throw
second row you know the big The Big
Spenders in the first row usually it's
the giver rim and everything anyway and
their kids and all of a sudden they're
screaming and they're cheering and I'm
feeling like a million bucks they're
going crazy and I'm thinking wow this is
and then I realized about a minute or
two into the song that the reason why
they were going like this they were
trying to get my attention when I had
run onto stage my yamaka had fell off
and they were trying to get my attention
that your yamuka is not on there was
some kind of cable coming down and I hit
it and then I realized so you're not
just a star yeah yeah
I'm pretty embarrassing so you Debbie
debut album came out and you're newly
married you're what held
20 Gonna Be 25. I was a little younger
than 25 when I got married same age yeah
were you were you nervous that Izzy put
all this money into you and you have no
idea what's going to be I was very
nervous because
um you still want to make money number
one you want to do this you want him to
come back you want to do a second one
eventually I already had songs people
are throwing songs at me at that point
and
um and you want to you want to be
successful and you want him to not to
lose money and now you're talking about
yenum's money so he so it was it was it
was a big pressure
but it's all the one above and uh Hashem
like if she said
I had many Etsy songs absolutely
um and the the hit of that album uh it
was definitely arav
um uh hamalak which was composed by
Israel Baraka who also today is uh is
on that album come
episculi already but I waited so I
waited for the second that's why my
guess I wanted to wait maybe you sang in
1989 on a Chev album right which sold I
think like 11 or 12 copies maybe 11 as
well
yeah but no I actually arranged that
song in pierment the studio wow my first
arrangement I was a teenager and Rick
Cutler was playing the drums there and
slimy came to sang a pimental studio in
the basement over there talking about
Arrangements if I could give you two
yitzy's horn what's amazing about yitzy
is that the first few albums that I did
only my last album
right only my last album was like 95
yitzy and his Arrangements
right you did some music
you added one album after right about
everyone right now thanks to yitzy I
actually have
show me Dax seeing some acapella on that
on that Aveeno album that's the only
acapella I have from slummy Dax ever
recorded that's true but anyway what I
was saying was he was a guy who made up
songs and he gave it to you with his
arrangements so I went to lamb lamb was
my arranger and I played him
which was ahead of its time and lamb
took his arrangement and made it into an
arrangement but it was yitzy's
Arrangement and you'd see you know was
way ahead of his time I mean
so two 25 year old new singers in the
morning by the way did you guys realize
your debut albums both had English
titles
voice of a new generation one day at a
time I mean and that's not one thing two
will be left behind that's what they
were doing time is now yeah yeah I think
it was then the end thing to do
mayor Sherman wow you know what the next
album did he put out letter to mashiach
was returned for postage
insufficient then right then the the
albums were named did you guys have a
say in the song selection or or what the
title track was or not really no
certainly really then but I did
um and you know you when you take when
you hire a producer you you want to make
sure you want their trust tips I would
sit with Yoki with every single song
this one no goodness and there were
songs that I regretted that I didn't
take like you know it happens it happens
no let's go no you never heard of them I
mean that I wish nobody ever recorded
that or not one of them I really
can't say oh I I would love to but
one thing that I had you took that I
wanted that that you ended up taking
which one
cabarama
that was also Akiva hamnik it was like
the problem I wanted for so for some
reason what I was working with at the
time I guess didn't want it and I loved
it it's all see Anthony it's a nozzle
hear this song composed by having free
do you know that yes yeah
meaning it's a song that he did it he
wasn't didn't make it on one but it was
his own song so I took the whole package
you have another free composition right
there that's something stormy doesn't
have yeah true how old were you when you
were working on Mendy Wall's first album
your first production you were meant
they were what late teens early 20s no
25 24 25. it was around the time when I
lost my mother and it was a very I I was
mixing samayak I I I still remember we
were mixing shifri which was one of the
songs on Mandy Wall's album and I got
the phone call from my brother come to
NYU Hospital because my mother had had
been out of work already three four
months and uh I found out at that time
that she was you know in a very bad
situation and she passed away a year
three months later but so we put out
that album Samir while she was sick and
I used to bring the album to her in the
hospital and she loved it it was really
fascinating then after she passed away
nine months later we put out luchaim
were you not nervous
what uh you're in charge of writing
Arrangements you've never written
arrangements for how did you even write
the arrangements back then you know how
to write music or not uh I do I do know
notes I learned like I said I learned by
uh accordions I learned I had my formula
but I mean you have to Envision a
symphony you know the brass is doing
this the drums that you guys know how
this work and your first album you
probably didn't have a clue but after
the hours were recorded you go who did
the notations for you who did so I
didn't know I did actually do the
notations now I I wasn't perfect that I
remember Jim Hines was like in the
studios like that note is way above what
a trumpet could actually do and he's
like he was telling me like he's giving
me criticism but it was fine I learned
from it I really I ended up learning a
lot from the musicians who told me
change this change that but I the truth
is I mean it's not too many people know
I actually arranged an album prior to
Mandy wolves copy L vogans right and it
didn't come out till if there was down
but I I had arranged it already it's a
great album so I was arranging title
tracks great
right so I was arranging a lot you did
notation I said because the rest of the
world use of emigration was the biggest
notation the biggest thing back then you
want to hear funny now there's there's a
producer there's more than one producer
I can tell you now
um who doesn't know how to write music
and he tells the guy okay okay take your
instrument go
and this guy but this guy's directing
musicians like you know and you're like
yeah we know who it is but the people
want to know
if we break eight million dollars I'll
tell you next year
now anybody who gives a hundred thousand
or more I will tell you who that is
private message
no so yeah we we were writing we were
writing notes and we wrote luchaim uh
nine months later that album was that
album was unbelievable was was very very
special
again and again it was a very emotional
wait someone told me there's a good
story behind smile again it's well it's
unbelievable I mean I I've heard I've
heard many stories after it came out
people will tell me this helped me got
me through this situation but small
again was written together myself and
and uh you feel zagelbam Ziggy was a
color War writer of words so he helped
me formulate the words that I wanted to
write about my mother this is literally
right after she passed away and um
interesting the album was supposed to be
called khazak but when I was going to to
the to the funeral of my mother in
eritizawl of rumfried was on that flight
and he was he was calming me down you
know because he heard that I I just lost
my mother and we were talking with
schmoozing and he's saying I asked him
what are you working on now he says well
I'm putting out an album in a month I
asked him what's what's the album called
he says kazak and I I knew that we had a
great song khazak on Mandy world's
upcoming album so we have to change it
we changed it into lecheim but on that
album was this song called smile again
and and what happened was is that one
time I mean uh slimy knows and he slowly
knows and Mandy Wald knows there was a
woman in the community unfortunately I
believe at age 44 that was paralyzed and
the um the doctors didn't know if she
can actually uh respond or understand
anything after a couple weeks they saw
that she was blinking her eye her left
eye
and uh people used to come and and visit
her and this lady at the razor she
communicated with her left eye
and when I came in the first time they
said okay read line a and it has a b c d
next to it so blink at the line to show
you which letter she's trying because I
think it's the Horowitz works the same
way nowadays
and Mandy Ward was there in the room I I
still remember this we were called to
perform for this at the race a lot of
singers were called and I remember it
took me five minutes just for her to say
the word welcome I ran out of the house
and I was crying I couldn't believe that
wow what a person has to do just to
communicate one one word and when we
started singing she actually
told us she wants us to sing smile again
and remember this lady can only blink
her left it's like a 15-minute
conversation of hitting all the letters
correct and she said please I didn't
even know if she knew this song and we
get up to the iPod in the blink of an
eye hola suffering could end and I'll
never forget tears were streaming from
her eye her left eye when we said in the
blink of an Iola suffering can end wow
so that's how she was able to
communicate that's amazing I know that
was so meaningful to her she asked us to
play it every single time we came here
that's another whole angle that I'll
speak from on behalf of everyone all
singers how we can think for granted
life and we as singers have that
unbelievable opportunity
um to to to go to hospitals and to sing
for people and anybody else would I
believe if someone called an accountant
during the day hey come visit someone at
NYU or something they would go but
you're not calling an account so we get
lucky anybody would do it we're not
great sir but we have that afternoon
conversation and we have the
conversation it's special we get to go
and we get to be mahasik people we take
for granted that we can walk we could
talk every bracket we make that people
so sick and we have that lucky amazing
sauce in addition to Hashem giving us a
talent that we can go and be mahasa can
bring smiles to people it's an
incredible thing and and and we don't
take it for granted we know how special
that is many invitations of Social and
we also got with an inscription that you
promised that I had a moment last year
from 25 years ago a boy got married
recently that it's well now that said
that he was a little kid when I sang for
him and a note came in and attacked and
the guys the guy sent me a screenshot of
what I wrote in the hospital that
America when you get married
I wrote that once and I'm going to come
sing at you when I get my shrimp to a
girl in Memorial Sloan Kettering and she
calls me up and my house phone those
days I should I want you to come sing at
my wedding when you're still listed
where's the wedding in Italy
wow so I called up Joseph life from
Travelers Choice
and he gave me a ticket and I went wow
yeah it was there was a 10 year old kid
Mordechai and David called me up against
me to play music in Boro Park I remember
going up the stairwell and he had cries
like Pius this little kid and when we
got to his hospital bed loleno he had no
hair on nothing and I I still remember
um we started singing songs and what was
funny is at the at that bedside
unfortunately the boy didn't make it
piss his mom said they asked me to play
by the bar mitzvah to two three weeks
before he passed away but what happened
prior to that was telling me he's flying
to Israel the next day and he's
recording an album with Mona rosenbum in
a much money Rosen room in the studio
and he's missing this kishmaker song and
at that kid's bedside I started singing
in front of Mordechai and David a song
that I never heard before
he
loved it we started singing for the kid
100 times I'm exaggerating but a lot of
times and he took out his little
recorder whatever how much yeah fat
mouth he took he I think you paid me a
little quicker but he paid me and what's
funny is he said he took the recording
he brought it to Israel now monster
models I'm talking about greater Rangers
he's incredible his Arrangements 50
years ahead of his time he was like not
normal and he goes ahead he uh he shows
him this so much in Monroe's room he
liked it so much much Simona Rosenberg
in the studio the next day he more
happened they told me he started writing
the notes on tissue papers right there
he made the whole Arrangement on tissue
papers and they played it that day in
the studio with the intro
that's yours no no that's much more all
put together in one within 24 hours
recorded recorded crazy and that's
that's part of what we were saying how
it's amazingly songs I could tell you
stories where I came from schwecky he
got late late into the album and he and
not only that he put it at song number
seven or eight on the album he didn't
think it usually he put it the second
song or right away in the beginning
so we don't know what songs are gonna
make it and what's wrong is it so we can
be here true we can be here for hours
three hours we got a few minutes left so
you're making your album you think every
single song is a hit is that really no
that's when I went with yasi green and
for you
we're gonna go fast okay
um voice lessons do are they true do you
need them give me some funny stuff you
do to get ready from back in the day
well if voice lessons is a must and it's
it's you have to have the foundation I
mean you can't create a voice I don't
know you have to have a voice my mommy
says I sing well myself if your mommy
says you sing well you should take
voices and the main thing of voice
lessons is what I think is before
he one of my voice stations was Canton
nuts and Glick a very famous voice
teacher um is when you're not feeling
well and you have to get your voice I
always thought it was when you're
objecting when you're that's there's 50
things it's 50 fast it's the voice
lessons but I find voice lessons is when
you do have that little cold when you do
a little horse when you are a little
down vocally that's where you really
you know go back into your voice lesson
mode and say I gotta do this so who car
comes out you got a big you got a big
gig or a big concert what are you doing
tomorrow
to warm up like now in front of
everybody yeah
you only have a couple of minutes left
but there's things you know loosen up
yeah let's see come on chewing
you serious yeah some crazy stuff
whatever it's like you know no no no
let's keep going let's keep going you
know loosen up your left stuff like that
go from falsetto to regular
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good sleep and just to drink room
temperature water
not very hot
sleep before you perform a few nights
before Rosh Hashanah Yom Kipper you
don't just wait you go to sleep sleep is
the best thing for me some tricks give
me some tricks give me give me some
exercises no tricks I I go to canter
Einhorn for many many years I went to
Canada Einhorn wherever I'm feed goes
and today let me dascal goes and uh
people tell me what do you need voice
lessons you're a professional already
what is Derek Jeter what are batting
coaches need what do these guys need you
need someone watching what you're doing
and like like surely said when you're
not feeling well that's that's when the
pressure's on to get it properly over
the cold and be able to perform you
can't just cancel Roshana
plays basketball a few times a week to
keep in shape actually tell me he has
potato cocoa before he's such a
lubricate
in 2001 2002 the year prior and David
next year I got everyone free to come
tagoda for a very good price and he
comes to campagoda and he he calls me up
an hour before the show he says I I
gotta cancel I have 102 fever
I said I mean the whole Camp is wait a
few minutes
he comes in to the best to the to the
gym and with 102 fever he goes to the
half court Line running in he picks up a
basketball in the gym he gets the half
court shot in the first time I just I
just said I just saw a video I don't
know if it was from that yeah no it was
incredible but he said he's from NBA guy
instead of the other guy
apparently he believes in the exercising
and keeping in shape like slimy
mentioned and this late in your careers
is is it still important and how often
they're supposed to go even very even
more important really absolutely really
interesting just breath that you're not
out of breath when you're singing
especially I do weddings you know the
next stage of Our Lives now I'm no I'm
doing now weddings and I'm performing
and you have to you can add in the
studio you could do it 25 times so it's
perfect right opening with AIDS doesn't
apply to voice
and for you do you have to you know keep
rehearsing with your fingers I practice
a lot I practice a lot in the basement
and is he still writing you know
said it right the choirs really give the
confidence to the kids I had a kid from
a very from school who typically schools
not all schools want this but the
parents made a decision and they said
that it's we they felt it was very good
for the kid a very shy kid he was like
second third grader he stayed in my
choir for four or five years started
leaning started diving through the Ahmed
he started answering questions in class
really brought out a tremendous so I
only I only have good things to say
about the I mean you were in a choir and
now you lead a choir so definitely
that's important schlimy has a slimy Dax
Orchestra which is funny because you
kind of had an orchestra back in the day
yeah sometime now one guy added away a
little bit so it was funny I try to book
him for the after the wedding
which slimy opened the orchestra
people were really skeptical they're
like there's the Gina there's the shama
you're a singer you can't open Orchestra
and now we're what almost 20 years later
so let me Dax Orchestra is still a
contender and then and then we have
silly williger is not only a singer a
cowbox singer a comsitz guy a stickle
Canter it's a good time by the way
and now he's doing
English did you hear this amazing
brilliant English well you were at one
of them I was at one of them and I was
surprised and people think oh well a big
deal you know how much preparation is
about I thought I'd hate it but I
actually liked it it was actually pretty
good thank you but I think it's more
your personality than your Rhymes yeah
true I'm just saying
thank you everybody on behalf first of
all thank you you'd see shloime and
Shirley
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have the privilege of hearing them a lot
of times by the time they're done with
amudim they move on they continue with
their therapeutic work but we don't
always see them two and three years down
the line but
when we get those Victory stories it's a
real celebration it's it's phenomenal it
is a feeling I don't even know how I
could possibly explain I guess you'd put
it as a high to be cliche it's the most
phenomenal High to know that you really
made a difference in someone's life we
want to know that we're being effective
we want to know that this is making a
difference it's
it nurtures us you know we speak to most
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see the smile through the phone we can
hear we can see that little bit of hope
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they're just they're just always there
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Baum Davis and we're here for the third
annual unite to heal event raising money
for a mudim an international
organization dedicated to serving
community members in times of crisis
a modem assists individuals and families
impacted by mental health sexual abuse
neglect addiction as well as other
crisis related matters your support is
appreciated
I'm joined today by Dan Luxembourg
Rachel Kastner and Montana Tucker I
worked with these three incredibly
talented people on a project we'd like
to tell you a little bit more about
Rachel kick us off you're the
granddaughter of survivors and this is
not your first Holocaust related
production tell us about this project
and what made it different than the
others you've worked on sure thank you
Daniela and hi glad to be here my name
is Rachel I am the granddaughter of
three Holocaust Survivors and
how to never forget is an incredibly
unique project there have been many
Holocaust Survivor projects
documentaries films interviews
testimonies of which I've worked on a
few different projects this project
is unique because it reaches Millions uh
how to never forget is a holocaust
docu-series made specifically for social
media with the amazing Montana Tucker
who we have here today and it traces her
journey as she goes back to Poland to
learn about the Holocaust and her
grandparents survival and she brings her
millions of followers with her on the
journey to learn about it
and I think there are a few unique
um identifiers that make this project
just amazing and I'm so honored to be a
part of it and I encourage everybody to
go and watch it number one is that the
documentaries that have been made in the
past
they feature survivors but rarely
feature young people as well so audience
members who watch it maybe aren't
feeling as connected right they're not
seeing people they're in their own age
group uh on screen with them and I think
it makes it much more relatable when you
have an amazing young energetic vibrant
positive person like Montana taking you
on that Journey it's super relatable
and then the second is just that it's
micro bite-sized Clips so anyone can
watch them wherever they are it's coming
at you on the screen on your phone where
you are in your regular day and where
most of gen Z and Millennials are
spending a lot of time so I think that
that's two of the main identifiers so
Montana obviously there is no project
here without Montana does Montana Tucker
how to never forget project so tell us a
little bit is this the kind of content
you typically post on your channels and
what made you want to embark on
something like this
yeah so first of all I'm so honored to
be here and of course all of this
project wouldn't have happened without
all of you guys so thank you for being
here
um I think the content that people
usually see from me is very uplifting
mostly posting fun dance videos
um collaborating with a lot of fun
different people
um I have posted my grandparents
slightly in the past
um and I've shared that they're
Holocaust Survivors but I've never
really gone into depth about their story
ever and again what I have posted my
grandparents it has been pretty
light-hearted so for me to do something
like this was completely probably left
field for my for my followers to see
that
um you know I've always been extremely
close to my grandparents my whole life
and I've always known their stories but
it wasn't until I you know became an
adult that I really felt that I wanted
to learn more about their history
um and my great friend Israel schachter
asked me if I have ever been to Poland
and and if I'd want to go and I said yes
and uh then he connected me with Rachel
and then connected me with you guys in
the rest of History honestly and
um everyone kind of told me before going
on the trip about how hard it was going
to be but nothing can prepare you for
that moment until you're physically
there and I have seen hundreds of
Holocaust documentaries I have learned
about it in school but I think that me
physically being there
um just changed me forever and I hope
that people watching this feel changed
forever as well and I hope that they
feel that of course it's edited but I
hope they feel that it's raw and they
feel like they're actually there with me
and it's not just like them learning
from a history book
so Montana in the first 24 hours after
you posted this project you had more
than a million people viewing it for
context
um the U.S Holocaust Memorial Museum
gets an average of 1.6 million visitors
a year wow um tell us a little bit about
how that feels just all of a sudden to
be the person reaching the people that
most need to be educated about this
issue well first of all I did not know
that at all so that is a crazy stat but
I had no idea
um I think just when talking in millions
like I don't remember who posted it but
somebody posted the other day about how
many Jews are in America the U.S is
number one with the most Jews and Israel
is number two
right and then France is number three I
think in Canada is number four I could
be doing this wrong we should check the
check the facts for sure you're either
right or very close to right okay you're
very close to reacting Israel just
passed so I have more followers on Tick
Tock than there are Jews in the US which
is such an insane concept and then the
person who I don't even want to name
really that recently came out has way
more followers than I think the amount
of Jews in the world right
um so that's also an insane
um insane concept to me and you know I
was very nervous about posting this
because in the past when I have posted
about my grandparents when I when like I
said it's been very light-hearted of
what I've posted in the past I've had
thousands of people unfollow me I've had
people write
um like you know the Holocaust never
existed they've written really negative
comments towards me so I was really
nervous about posting this
um and especially given the crazy time
that we're in again which again we
always had it planned to release these
dates and then of course everything
started happening in the world again
um but I'm really shocked and honestly
happy because this is exactly what I
wanted that
people are opening their eyes to this in
a different way and I have so many
followers that either didn't know about
this or a didn't know about my family's
history but B didn't really know about
the Holocaust because they're not really
being taught it so the the messages that
I've received from posting
um have been I don't want to use the
word positive but that it's they've been
like grateful and thankful that I've
posted this versus negative I mean of
course there were that handful of
negative comments but there was also
something that I thought was really
powerful in the comments somebody
commented something negative
and then they started becoming a
discussion and a few other people
started going in on it and and
commenting back and forth to each other
and by the end the person who wrote the
negative comment ended up saying like I
apologize kind of wow and so I thought
that was powerful because I think the
whole point of this is to like open
people's minds right it's not we're not
going to tell somebody how they should
feel but at least open their minds and
maybe see it from a different
perspective yeah so Dan unlike Rachel
Montana and myself you are the one
person on this call that is not the
grandchild of survivors which I think
makes your involvement in a project like
this all the more important and all the
more inspirational because it's very
obvious it's very easy to see where the
passion for the three of us comes from
right we grew up on these stories we
feel this familial and National
obligation to retelling them tell us a
little bit about why you felt this was
an important project to embark on and
how you think we can activate other
people descendants of survivors and not
to to commit equally to sharing these
stories
that's a great question
um the reason why I'm taking it back is
because it's so funny to me I I don't
I didn't I never even second guessed it
it's as important to me as as anything
else and having lived in and been fully
immersed in LA and the Hollywood scene
I've been a part of so many
conversations with legendary Executives
and directors and screenwriters about
how do we you know how do we get what's
the next Schindler's List like that was
you know that was that's where people
are looking to and
and even since Ava Stories the uh the
social media scripted series that came
out a few a few years ago
um people have been wondering you know
what's the next story to tell every
every Jew in Hollywood has the um urge
to tell the next great Holocaust story
and I always had a different feeling
towards it
um I always had the what's
what's the way we could
um educate young kids about the
Holocaust and it's you know one of the
many reasons Rachel and I are friends
because we we've been discussing this
for years really
um about the Holocaust about Israel Etc
and when this opportunity came knocking
you know the Israel the Rachel uh
Montana Daniela
it wasn't even a question you know Soul
Shop a bit of background we are a faith
driven Studio reaching young and diverse
audiences of Faith
um
the majority of our projects are focused
on on Young and diverse Christian
audiences
when this project came
it wasn't even a question if we were
going to do it or not it was
how can we make this the best possible
vertical short form doc series that has
ever been
ever been distributed across social
media and amongst the
plethora of positive feedback that we've
all gotten one of the most
um the only the only comment that
actually made me speechless and for
those of you that know me
um mainly Rachel probably the most I've
never rendered speechless but for
someone to say that this project has
changed the future of Holocaust
Education period uh touched me in a way
that I never thought I could be touched
um outside of like my son being born
the Holocaust for for someone who isn't
a grandchild of survivors is
I can speak for myself at least
personally
there's no greater there's no greater
awareness campaign I want to be a part
of
if I can if I can articulate it through
the lens of like a for-profit venture
um this is the most important campaign
to raise awareness for and I'll never
stop trying to innovate and disrupt and
educate and
you know my wife pointed this out to me
um even though I knew it but I don't
think anyone had articulated it the fact
that Montana is basically doing a
one-week takeover of her channels is so
so important and we all need to take one
second to like applause or whatever
however anyone's watching Montana really
you're a hero I'm not even kidding
um and so I'm so eternally grateful for
what you're doing for this project
one of the things that I think is really
important to break apart and kind of
exactly what you raised Dan in terms of
audience segmentation is is as follows
so
um
one of my
many hats before producing in the Jewish
space was working at The View on ABC and
one of the reason that politicians in
particular are so eager to come on shows
like the view is that they know the
audience they're reaching is the
audience that they actually have the
potential to sway right you're talking
to primarily women that are home at 11
A.M watching TV these are not you know
crazy political pundits who are
um already decided on every issue these
are people that are actually open to
changing their mind
when I think about the Montana project
and why her audience is so important
here I think about this statistic in
particular and there are unfortunately a
lot to choose from but this is the one
that really sticks with me
according to the claims conference 20 of
Millennials and gen Z in New York think
that Jews caused the Holocaust
now we can talk about the number of Jews
of the number of Americans that don't
know the word Auschwitz that don't know
um how many people were killed in the
Holocaust I can't name a single
concentration camp and those are all
astounding statistics on their own but
the idea that you could have 20 of an
age group walking around thinking that
Jews themselves cause the Holocaust
tells me we need to focus our efforts on
that population
now why I think Montana is you know
arguably
the most important person to come into
Holocaust Education in the last
I don't know entire time we've been
educating on the Holocaust is because
her audience is exactly that universe
that needs that education
so Montana tell me a little bit about
this your audience you've built up over
the years right this wouldn't have
worked if you hadn't come out and said
hey guys I'm Montana Tucker no one's
ever heard of me and I'm producing this
project now many a time when we work
with influencers celebrities other
people that you know we hope will share
stories or partner on projects like
these the first question we get is what
is it going to do to my brand
so talk a little bit about that how does
it feel to put yourself out there on
something like this and do you have any
words of wisdom and encouragement to
other influencers in this space who
maybe have things to do here as well but
need a little nudge and a little a
little love to feel like this is a
project worth doing
yes so I actually have a few friends who
are in the industry who are Jewish and
behind the scenes are very
pro-jewish and do everything in their
community and celebrate the holidays and
and a part of Jewish organizations and
then when it comes to social media don't
post anything about it but they post
about every other
issue going on in the world which should
be done as well of course but for some
reason when it comes to like something
that actually applies to her or him in
general they they have not done it and I
asked them I was like curious because
I've had friends who get really upset
over it and you know so why are you
posing I can't believe you post you're
not doing this but I calmly just said hi
just I'm curious why why you're not
doing this and they've said that they're
scared it's going to ruin their brand
and that people might unfollow them or
might not want to work with them because
of that
and for me
I feel
again like I said I when in the past
what I have posted on my girlfriends I
have had people unfollow me but for me
I'm like if I'm gonna have these people
on follow me I don't want them following
me
if they're gonna follow me because I'm
posting about my grandparents are
posting about being Jewish then I don't
want those followers
and if it comes to business too if
someone's not going to do business with
you because you're Jewish then you don't
want to do business with them I don't
care what the deal is I don't care how
much money it could make you you should
not want to do business with somebody
because they shouldn't want that from
you either they shouldn't want you not
wanting to do business with them because
they're a person of color a person of A
different race or a different sexual
preference so I think that that should
never be the case of not wanting to be
friends with someone not wanting to be
associated with somebody not wanting to
do business without wanting to follow
just because of that now if they're a
bad person that's a different story but
based on just their religion their
ethnicity their sexual preference
absolutely not so for me doing this
of course in the in the back of my mind
I said okay I'm probably going to get
some backlash I'm probably going to get
people to unfollow me
but
to me I don't I don't care because it's
more important to get this message out
and it's more important for people to
come along this journey with me that are
worrying about if people are going to
unfollow me so I think that's
incredibly true when apt and I hope that
there are a lot of other people in your
space watching this and thinking to
themselves okay you know I have I have
the cover I have the inspiration I have
the ability now to do this as well
Rachel one of the things that you
mentioned earlier is how much of this
project depended on the kind of precise
editing that could take the many hours I
think we had over 100 of footage and
distill them into these you know tiny
bites
um and you know that were shareable on
social one of the places that I feel
like there's a disconnect between the
people in our community that sometimes
have the resources to make projects
happening the projects like this happen
and the people doing the work that you
know actually enable projects like this
happen I find there's often a disconnect
where we'll go out and we'll say
we have this idea we have a Creator like
Montana willing to use their platform we
have the story we want to do something
by the way it needs to be under two
minutes and you'll get feedback from
people definitely in a certain
generation we'll say tick tock's
terrible Instagram's terrible you know
we just need these people to watch the
three-hour story
how do you respond to that and how do we
go out there and convince the generation
of people that is empowered to make more
projects like this happen that Tick Tock
and Instagram are tools to be used not
you know necessarily
um industries that are ripe for
disruption in our space
so
my first feature documentary was a
full-length 55-minute documentary about
the Holocaust about my grandfather's
Survival Story and for the past few
years I've been bringing it to schools
and showing it to high schoolers middle
schoolers some universities
um it's typically the school takes an
hour long break during programming
related to Holocaust Remembrance Day
yamashoa or Chris Knox and we'll do the
55 minute uh film and then we'll have
maybe like 5 to 15 minutes if they
extend it for Q a and what I was
noticing over time was that kids are
getting like kids are getting bored like
attention spans are not long enough to
watch a 55-minute documentary and if you
can't get your point across in a shorter
amount of time if we're not innovating
the way that we tell our stories along
with the way that people are learning to
consume stories we're just going to lose
interest
so I think that the most powerful thing
I mean Montana and I every day after an
episode goes up have been looking at
like the comments sending each other the
best ones I've sent some to you send
some to Dan like I think that that the
response
the numbers are just going to speak for
themselves to have a project go viral
with over a million views and so many
thousands of comments and shares and
reposts within such a short amount of
time for the comments to be so
meaningful and powerful and so people
like spilling their souls and emotions
in these comments saying you really
moved me I'm going to learn more about
the Holocaust or I once met a Jew like
those words mean a lot and to me that is
the proof like the proof is in the
pudding the proof is out there this was
a pilot this was a test of can we tell
these kinds of stories on this platform
and to me already with episode one it
was a huge success and I'm sure with the
next few uh we're just gonna see it more
and more so collecting kind of those
comments seeing how this project lives
on they're not going anywhere so it's
only going to grow with time uh that's
that's how we're gonna continue to make
projects like this in the future and I
hope that uh everyone telling stories
will gravitate towards kind of more
conventional bites because a 55 minute
documentary sitting on a shelf is not
going to do any impact
my name is Yehuda Greenberg
I grew up in a very from Orthodox
household I went to goodieshiva's good
schools you know I had good grades you
know I was going to be the next
guadaladar the next RAV and then over
the years things you know started to to
fall apart I didn't feel in place I felt
out of place whether it be in Social
settings in family settings School
settings I just wanted to be okay with
myself I wanted to be okay with my
family who at that point our
relationship was strained obviously they
wanted a path for me that I didn't want
for myself or didn't know what I wanted
for myself but I knew that I wasn't
comfortable with what I was doing so I
started smoking weed and you know I was
accepted into a new social setting
amongst peers that smoked weed and we
had fun and over time that then likes
other you know drugs substances
over time I had developed a habit of
taking prescription medications that
were unprescribed and included opiates
benzodiazepines and along with that came
a lot of alcohol
one thing led to the next and the drug
usage got worse over time until I
developed an addiction both physical and
mentally but the most important thing
about it was that it it made me feel
okay and I would forget the day come
night time and come to morning time I
had something to look forward to
emotionally I think it was the best word
to describe it was numbness there was no
emotions it was just me living in this
alternate universe that uh there wasn't
emotions it was so empty it was just
there was nothing there I still remember
vividly it was a Friday night it was at
a friend's house eating Shabbos dinner
and a gentleman that was part of my
father's he sat me down he said maybe
you should think about getting some help
and for the first time I felt it was
somebody wanted to help me somebody
understood what I was going through it
was eye-opening to me and I said sure
come Sunday he called me said I spoke to
an organization on your behalf it
happened to be a mudim and he said you
know we record a treatment center that
you could go get help and he said this
is when your flight is do you want
somebody to fly with you I was in shock
I was nervous fearful anxious I said no
I'm okay I was a big boy I said I'll fly
by myself it was in California I went to
Chabad Treatment Center I went not
knowing what to expect and it was the
best experience I ever had it was a
place where I belonged there was no
judgment that for me was the most
important thing it was feeling that I
was a part of something that I never
felt before and throughout all this the
healing emotionally began and a lot of
it started with the community but a lot
of it was being okay and comfortable
with who I was and who I wanted to be
when I got out out of treatment I then
started a case management work at a
hospital detox and that's really where
things started coming together for me
my job was to talk to people and get
them to treatment that was my job having
those conversations and just opening
their eyes to like what life can be and
also leaning on my past experiences it
just made it a lot easier seeing
somebody go from point A in their lives
even to point B it doesn't have to be a
to z but gay I'm into treatment is like
the most drastic thing I can do to help
somebody just like somebody did it for
me it's something I love doing and I
built my self-confidence and people
started to lean on me for and whether it
was a ride to work or whatever it was
people leaned on me for for something
and and now I got married which is my
biggest dream and God willing starting a
family and my parents I am forever
grateful I think they're very proud of
what I've done I don't think I would
have been on this path or Journey had an
organization like a mood and not existed
the second day got that call there was
no obstacle there was no how much is it
you know when is it let's get an help I
think that was one of the biggest things
that mudum did for me was giving me that
ability to say you know what I'm ready I
want to get help and the rest was taken
care of
I'm forever grateful for I'm with them
for what they provided me and the the
impact that they made on my life
will stand with me forever wherever I go
and in fact that they make on other
people's lives and I see it on a daily
basis it's it's instrumental and helping
people get better and helping our
communities really get better
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the impact just to just to piggyback off
of that for just a moment because
Rachel's spot spot on
um the message to get across to those to
those folks Daniella is those three hour
PBS documentaries shouldn't go anywhere
they're actually great once you get once
you once you wet your appetite right
viewing habits consumption habits have
changed that's just statistic it's facts
people are going from Network to
streaming and streaming to social it's
just like every single you know every
single graph will show you that and for
for the folks that are not not taking
short form content social distribution
channels folks like Montana seriously
um they're doing a disservice because
for the 1400 people they're gonna watch
their documentary that they can Pat
themselves on the back because they made
a nice three-hour documentary they're
they're just putting impact aside and
the fact that you have these Heroes
not using another word like Montana that
are willing to share their story
um With Their audience is not something
to take for granted it's not something
to scoff at it's not something to think
about right you have an unbelievable
team here
right here so honored to be a part of
this team
um we're willing to tell
I mean you can put this on Netflix and
people will still watch it it's it's
Netflix quality content we just chose a
better distribution Channel
now Montana
some people go to the camp spots and
it's more than enough for a lifetime
um Zach who viewers will see in future
episodes has been there I don't know
well over a hundred times I would guess
um
which is an incredible undertaking in
and of itself I'm not sure emotionally I
can handle that my question to you is
would you ever go back do you think
seeing the success of this project
um you would want to yourself become the
educator who brings people from your
industry back who shows them the
experience for the first time who sees
other people
um being hit with that experience for
the first time or is your is your
position on this as mine is by the way
so very much okay if it is I've been
there I'm not sure I can handle it again
and you know I have the video now so we
can go back
that's a a crazy question because no
one's asked me that yet
um
but it's interesting because being there
I mean we have there's so much other
footage that we didn't get to fit into
to these 10 episodes from me going to
Auschwitz because the whole trip was you
know for sure leading up to Auschwitz
and obviously you know knowing my
grandma's stories so exact and like
standing in those exact spots
um you know it was extremely hard and
and I mean Zach is
an angel on Earth literally he's just I
mean unreal I we still like talk all the
time on WhatsApp he's the best but
um I asked him how many trips he's gone
on since since going with me I think he
said four more trips and we got back not
that long ago like three or four more
trips he's been on with different groups
of people
um so that being said it being you know
the hardest experience in my life if
there was an opportunity to go back
or if it would influence people to go
back if if that was the reason why
people would want to go for if I would
be to be there with them then I would do
it if if that's the reason why people
would want to go see it and exp and to
experience it with them because if that
means that that more people are going to
experience it and know it then yes
absolutely but again it was extremely
hard
um
but I think now after going I think I
know maybe how to prepare myself a bit
more after physically being there versus
before I just heard the stories and I
did actually physically go there
um so yeah
so I maybe share Daniella a unique
moment from on set that Montana just
reminded me of please
so we actually had a we had a full uh
production crew with us uh with Montana
myself and her mom on set everyone
except for Montana myself
her mom and Zach were not Jewish and had
never been some had little knowledge of
the Holocaust some had more but
obviously nothing from what you hear
before prepares you to be in Auschwitz
and
we went to auschitz on our last day of
production and there are a few different
places without Auschwitz that really
really stand out one is a specific part
that feels more like a museum most it's
an open-air Museum right you're walking
around the actual Barracks the actual
areas where Montana's grandmother was
where my grandfather was where so many
other Jews were and there are many
places that you can go that stand out
when you're looking through the book of
names to find your family members or
when you're walking through the barracks
or the bathrooms there's one area that
really feels like a museum
that has several rooms filled with
artifacts so
one room has specifically glasses like
the million maybe thousands and
thousands and hundreds of thousands of
glasses that were stolen from those who
came into the camp another has the
suitcases another has the hair of the
men and women that were shaved and that
building is
unlike other any other place on Earth
um and I
it's really really really really really
really difficult to walk through that
building
um this was my
I've been there twice now shooting and a
few other times
and I felt almost like I was a little
numb walking through it and when we
walked out of the building Montana was
with her mom walking ahead I was already
walking with Zach to the next location I
turned around and I saw our crew like
taking a break like they were all
separated standing like five feet away
from each other facing outwards outside
of the camp and I like called them over
I thought that they were just giving us
a minute and when they turned around
they were all they just were all crying
each one of them was completely red in
the face crying one after another and I
realized in that moment like I thought
they were giving maybe me and Montana
and Zach a moment but
that they were taking a moment because
it was so impactful and obviously it was
that is like a place that really like
drives home like really the horrors of
what happened there
and it was so special to make that
project with a team of survivors Jews
and also non-jews who are learning about
the Holocaust in depth for the first
time when most of their projects are not
nothing about this topic and I think
like
not everybody's going to get to go there
in person and have the experience that
that crew did but the millions of people
watching on Montana's channel will now
get to even get a taste of it and I just
think that that story is like stands out
to me as one of the most impactful
moments of that whole production
yeah
um look I think something else that we
haven't gotten into yet is where
responsibility comes in and I think to
your point about bringing in non-jews
into telling this conversation the story
um it's a huge part of it you know
everyone on this call is under 30. and
we all talk about or the last generation
and the survivors are dying out and this
is your last chance but now that's
really true I'm working on a separate
project right now and it's been really
really difficult to Source a certain
number of survivors that are able to
speak both
exclusively that are physically able to
get to a studio and and that you know
have enough memories of their story to
share and even five or seven years ago
that wouldn't have been the case
um
so I think
we're coming into a different part of
this conversation which is
we really are at that point now where
the mantle has to be passed where
survivors are not really able at least
going forward going to be able to be the
ones sharing their stories so Rachel Dan
Montana really this goes out to anyone
what does that sort of kick in the gut
that not only is this something you know
each of us obviously feels is important
but this kick in the gut that there's no
choice if we care about sharing these
stories there's no choice anymore to not
be the ones taking it on because we
really are the last generation who has
experienced relationships with survivors
in real time
yeah I think I think for me
um both my grandparents always you know
as far as I can remember always went
around to all the schools we're from
Florida and always go around to all the
schools and share their stories
um my zadie especially he always made
sure everyone knew he was a Survivor he
would meet anyone and he would let them
know that he was a holocaust Survivor
and he'd wear a pin that said never
forget and never again he would never
take this pin off and it was really like
his mission and goal was to educate you
know kids and and people from around the
world to to never forget
um my grandma as well and then my
grandma now suffers from Alzheimer's
over 14 years
um so my zadie passed away three years
ago my grandma is still alive now but
she cannot share the stories at all
um and so that's why more than ever I
feel like both my mom and I feel it's
both of our responsibilities
um but especially me as a grandchild and
having this platform I feel like it's
more of a responsibility than ever
um to share these and I know that again
like I said it was always my Sadie's
goal was to keep these stories alive and
it's interesting that that's like the
slogan we kind of say it enough is
considered a slogan but like at the end
of each episode share they used to keep
these stories alive
um because it's that was extremely
important to him and both my
grandparents
I think that that really hits the that
hits the nail in my head
um
like we mentioned earlier I'm not the
I'm not the grand son of any survivors
um but being in these conversations with
folks that are that work at all these
organizations that are trying to teach
younger Generations about the Holocaust
either how to how to equip them to
continue educating their friends or how
to just educate either young Jews young
nanjus Etc
um we don't have time
we don't have time to waste we don't
have time to argue about whether or not
social media is
um is an effective tool it is
um kids aren't going to to sit in movie
theaters they're not
seeking Holocaust related content on the
traditional streaming platforms but
folks that aren't looking for Holocaust
related content follow Montana and so
that she's posting it and giving and and
you know I'm a new parent relatively new
um I have to give my kid medicine but he
doesn't want it and that's kind of
that's kind of it we're just dressing up
the medicine to taste really good
because the content's really good
unbelievable storytelling and it's this
sense of
um we are the last generation we don't
have time to waste we have to continue
innovating telling the story being on
the front lines penetrating news feeds
with content that is true with content
that is effective and with content
that's that can educate everybody
Rachel from a production standpoint from
a creative standpoint
what
selfishly for those of us on the panel
do we want to tell the people watching
this what do we need to make this happen
10 more times 20 more times
I think first and foremost
we need
Brave influencers celebrities
songwriters actors Etc who are willing
to tell these stories not only of their
grandparents of grandchildren of
Holocaust Survivors although that's made
this specific one so impactful that we
got to care from Montana about her own
grandmother's survival and learn about
that with her so that's the first most
important thing is that this is their
project right we're created we created
this with Montana to tell Montana's
story and the way that like is authentic
to her and that her audience is already
loving connecting to her about so that's
like the most important thing it has to
remain genuine and authentic and
therefore it has to be Creator LED
that's like the most important thing
right it's really easy to try to turn it
into something that it's not a
documentary or branding or whatever we
see out there we see lots of content out
there that's trying that's aligned
that's trying to tell the Jewish story
The Holocaust story
um
Etc but if it's branded as a big Jewish
organization and it's not being created
for a content for a Content Creator's
platform they'll smell it right people
love Montana because she's authentic and
genuine and inspiring and so we had that
was something that Dan and I worked
really hard on in the editing creative
process was to make sure that it was
edited but it still felt like Montana
right it still feels like Montana is
telling the story not anyone else is
telling it for her and placed her here
and told her what to say and it really
wasn't like it's the most genuine we
went there with a plan of where to go
and wanting to tell the story of the
journey but we told exactly as it
happened so keeping it as genuine and as
genuine as possible and the second is
completely leaning into the platform
right again we can't make a documentary
and then cut it into short slices for
tick tock that wouldn't have worked uh
this is working because we built it
based on what we know is true which is
that there certain types of content that
do really really well on Instagram and
Tick Tock and we're going to lean into
that so even in coming up with a title
Dan and I were like we have to come up
with something and the title totally
came from Dan like we had to come up
with something that sounded like a
Tick-Tock Trend uh so we were like
spitballing there and even I'm not a
huge tick tocker right so like and
that's where Dan beats me in the Gen Z
game so I'm obsessed with Tick Tock we
came up with a title that really felt
like that then it was also about the
creative so like as I was coming up with
creative with our editors it was like
how do we make sure that it looks like
any other Tick Tock when you're
scrolling right so that it doesn't it
doesn't I don't want to pass over it it
looks exactly like something else that I
might watch on Montana's feed or in my
feed
um so like every every every every
single detail was planned and I think
that like the last piece is like trust
creators and Trust young people right
like the fact that we're all under 30
we're the ones that are making this like
were the ones that know the platforms
were the ones that have been waiting to
tell stories like this in this medium
and like we're gonna we're gonna do it
right because we have that kick in the
gut and that responsibility
um to do so look I think one of the
reasons that we on the production side
were so excited to work with you is you
bring the proof of concept you bring the
deliverables you bring the ROI before
the project starts right we see how your
videos do we see the engagement you have
we see the respect your followers have
for mail for you and so the ability to
work with someone with your audience
with your platform who genuinely has the
story this connection and wants to use
it for good to share it is already kind
of makes our job very easy right we we
didn't really have to do very much
um I think what's been so heartening
from for us to see is you can see the
ROI it's tangible you can see the number
of people again like 1.6 million people
visit the Holocaust Museum a year one
million people watched your first
episode in its first 24 hours then you
talk about reaching beyond that audience
you know Good Morning America was so
excited to have you on and your your
conversation with them I thought was so
important because it Bridges the Gap it
shows people that using tiktok as a
platform primarily is important because
it reaches the young gen Z and also like
the weird interstitial space between Jen
Alpha and gen Z but it also has the
ability to then translate to this more
mainstream older audience it's resonant
with people
um obviously your bite on GMA you know
really made it go viral on a whole
different level
so to close us off I just want to say a
huge thank you to you and to ask you
going back when you first agreed to do
this project when you first kind of
iterated and created it in your head has
it turned out the way you expected and
what would you say to yourself about a
year ago if you could about what this
experience would be like
ah well first of all thank you for
saying all that
um
I think again I've always like I said
I've always
um been so close to my grandparents and
known that I had to
like do something I don't think I knew
in the capacity of what it what it would
come to and I think again we had so many
conference uh um
conversations yeah like a year ago about
about us going and about us doing this
so for it to finally happen and even
after getting the edits I mean I've
watched it a million times I still cry
every single time and over every single
episode and I have watched it literally
a million times
um but to see other people have that
same reaction from it
is I think what's what's most special
about it because of course I can feel it
because it's my story and my family but
for other people who either are Jewish
to be so grateful about this but again
for them for people who are not Jewish
who genuinely have zero attachment to
this project whatsoever for them to have
these reactions I think is just so
incredible and I think that's kind of
the point of this all it's yes this is
for the Jewish people absolutely but
this is also for everyone so that this
can never we that everyone can never
allow this to happen again for the
Jewish people yes but also for every
other ethnicity as well and race and
religion and so this is something that
is shown because again the Holocaust is
something that I definitely want to add
because I feel like I haven't shared
this as much wasn't just the Jewish
people if you were a person of color if
you were a person like if you were just
someone that was different than what the
Nazis imagine you were also a part of
this so that's something that needs to
also be shared and I feel like we didn't
really share that enough
so the fact that all different groups of
people are really like feeling moved
from this project I think is all we
could have all Ever Wanted
um and like you know we all need this is
only the beginning we have a lot more to
come so well Dan Rachel and especially
Montana thank you all so much thanks to
everyone watching and thank you for your
continued support of a modem
thank you so much
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common denominator is one thing heart
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is an emergency stop for people that
feel alone in the world that are dealing
with problems that they're embarrassed
to deal with that they've been keeping
private for years and they're suffering
inside and they're comfortable to know
that we're here to help them 24 7 for
whatever they need we are here and we'll
always be here to help them and they
should never ever feel alone and never
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there are people that have said to me at
times you know you're like a firefighter
all your staff you're dealing with the
emergencies
yeah that's true we are currently
firefighters however at the same time we
need to focus on the prevention aspect
and the awareness aspect so that a we
can try to avoid having these issues
come to us later on or getting earlier
help early detection early treatment
education and teaching kids you know
what's okay what's not okay is the best
prevention for getting them into
something you know when they're faced
with something that they've never seen
before it's very difficult to uh you
know to know how to handle it and this
peer pressure and a million other things
that are going on but if you give the
child the tools to know how to deal with
something when that issue comes up you
know whether it's abuse or drug abuse or
any other thing that can be going on
when when it's something that they've
heard about before
then they know how to deal with it when
when the issue comes up the example we
always use is if you had a ledge and
people were falling off the ledge so you
you built a hospital at the bottom
that's very nice you're going to take
care of them but why don't you just
build a gate before anyone falls off
catch them before they fall
prevention is a crucial piece in Human
Service when we want to help people what
we call we want to first and foremost be
able to prevent
the worst things from happening in the
first place everyone's going to deal
with challenges but we want to mitigate
how intense and difficult those
challenges are anyone here at amudum is
familiar with this they realize that if
the children are our future then healthy
children equal a healthy future this is
it's not an overstatement to say that
this is about the future of college so
this is about having healthy
well-adjusted students to bring the next
part the Next Generation moving forward
we really haven't able to get so many
students help whether it was bringing
them to the school guidance team whether
it was referring them for outside help
over the years there probably have been
thousands of students that we have
gotten into help for whatever they're
dealing with probably much faster than
they would have gotten up otherwise we
mitigate those intense difficulties from
happening that can sometimes rip at the
fabric of what we believe healthy and
Humane Society should be of what we
believe Jewish Community should be
we're here for the end goal of creating
a better world for everybody
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people are confused you know what does
zamuda mean what do they do they really
take care of a lot of underlying
problems that a lot of folks don't want
to talk about and that's the beauty of
ahmudim it's sort of a clearing house
for any type of problem particularly
very sensitive problems relating to
abuse and addiction
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staff so amazing
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we're talking about issues which are not
popular no one else wants to deal with
we're talking about issues which
communities often are not as welcoming
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there's a lot of challenges in trying to
be the people who are helping address
these issues and despite all the
challenges despite all the roadblocks
the staff they don't give up keep
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the fundraising is absolutely crucial as
far as those in the trenches no one's in
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and unite to heal
my name is pesop Lerner and I am founder
and chairman of the Aaron psychologist
party in the Israel's National
institutions
our special special guest tonight
is my dear friend my brother Jonathan
Palmer
I have known Jonathan Pollard for over
30 years
we have shared difficult times better
times good times sad times and happy
times
I believe I visited Jonathan in prison
probably close to 100 times Jonathan I
was there when you were released from
prison
was by your side during estrog Sherman's
illness at the Shiva and recently Borg
Hashem I walked you down the Hooper a
few recent marriage to Rifka so you and
I go back
go back and go deep so it's always an
honor to be with you
okay and
you're now in Arizona you're living
you're working you're contributing to
air to so
you know what's going on you're part of
what's going unfortunately yeah
and the question is can you share your
thoughts your vision of Greater heirs
Israel
Aliyah
anything
you're there you fought for this country
you were imprisoned for this country
now
share with us your feelings your visions
I think one of the biggest
surprises I had when I returned
was how different the country was
the whole notion of the Jewish identity
of the state was up in the air
and for those of us who are what's
generally called the religious zionists
um it was pretty frightening where we
were going
now with the uh results of the new
election having more or less been
confirmed and we're in the middle of
forming the government the struggle for
the identity of the state has taken on
new meaning
because now we have an opportunity
to actually create a Jewish state
two of the greatest myths of this
country are that we are democratic and
Jewish
unfortunately we're neither
part of that is because of the
outsized role and the responsible role
of the high court
which kind of renders the knesset moot
so that's as far as the Democratic
process is concerned and hopefully with
the override Clause we'll we'll try to
amend that
and as far as the Jewish identity of the
state is concerned which is something
I'm primarily interested in
uh with the appointment of uh
um
and his party I think will be in a
position to do some major healing one of
the first things we have to do
is change the law of return
just so that it reflects
and not the Nazi Nuremberg Laws
unfortunately there were people back
during the days of the sovietalia
that we're very happy to bring in a lot
of people whose Jewish legitimacy was
well it wasn't questionable it was
non-existent and the same thing is
continuing to this day
this is dangerous because it's diluting
the um
so hopefully if we can amend the law of
return to reflect to reflect uh halafah
this will stem the slide that we're on
right now into deluding the Jewish
character demographically of the state
okay
the other issue as far as Jewish
identity is concerned has to do of
course with the role of the rabbanoes
and there's been a big push here to
dilute the rule of the role of the
rabbanut mostly by leftists
uh the reform movement the conservatives
and you know it's funny but our we never
had a problem here before really
with the rubber load until the
leadership of the American Reform
movement
sensing their ship was sinking in the
United States after they had basically
knocked enough holes in it
when they realized this and they came
here it's a setup shop like if you'll
excuse me I've used this expression
publicly before rats deserting a ship
suddenly the kotel became an issue
suddenly Kash Roots became an issue
suddenly Garrosh became an issue
suddenly Shabbat became an issue
it wasn't an issue for the vast majority
of American Jews who came here for
example to visit Dakota
they understood the role of a mahitsu
and they respected it
suddenly when these I call them these uh
rabble Rouses from the reform movement
and conservative movement showed up
Suddenly there was an issue suddenly
there was a problem yeah for them
and for the local leftists They seized
upon these people as a means of gaining
a legitimacy that they had lost at the
polls in the same way that they
basically gained try to gain legitimacy
and power through a high court by gods
that they largely controlled
so this is this is another issue in the
fight for the ident Jewish identity of
the state
basically trying to reduce if not
eliminate
the irresponsible and unjustified
intrusion into our society of the
American Reform movement and and their
conservative brothers and sisters as
well
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as far as the Jewish identity of the
state is concerned there's the issue of
the Ministry of Education a lot of
people don't understand what's been
happening with that Ministry
basically as long as the children that
were turned out by the secular school
system here were ignoramuses that was
fine as far as Jewish Education was
concerned because there was a
possibility of educating them later
unfortunately the role of organizations
like the Shalom Hartman Institute and
the reform movement have illegally
intruded into the operations of the
education Ministry and I say illegally
because they've been the beneficiaries
of
non-competitive uh grants and access to
our educational system which which is
illegal
we now have an opportunity to
turnout educate jewishly educated
children from the secular school system
so in the event hospital they want to
leave or turn away from or abandon
Judaism at least normative Judaism at
least they'll know what they're walking
away from
what I'm afraid of is what we've been
turning out because of the the unethical
influence of the left in the educational
system religious educational system
because people who have been misled who
have been lied to and have been
Miss I I would call it miseducated as to
what Jewish uh law and tradition and
history actually actually are
um so hopefully depending on who the
minister of education is which party
gets control of it will be able to at
least rebalance the quality of Jewish
Education that our secular students are
receiving and again as I said this is
not a question of brainwashing what
we're doing is presenting them the
opportunity to learn what normative
Judaism is so if they care and wish to
practice normative Judaism fine
if they don't well at least they know
what they're walking away from and
hopefully hopefully over the years we'll
be able to bring them back
right now I'm
putting together a Jewish Educational
Center for Children in Tel Aviv
it's named after my late wife Esther
we're starting a fun drive now to build
the permanent building
right now we have between five to six
hundred formally Colony children
at the gun level kindergarten level who
are now learning about Jewish traditions
and Heritage and history and practice
when I talked at the dedication of the
school to several of the parents in the
presence of our chairman of the board of
the chief Ashkenazi rabbi
I asked them these parents why are you
sending your children here
this is a religious school and you're
definitely not religious
or observant rather
and the answer was the same from all of
them
they said our parents
refused or declined for one reason or
another to teach us anything
about what Judaism was
we hope that our children
being educated here will teach us
so I looked at the Rob and I said
because we learn uh in our tradition
that part of the giula will be
represented by the children
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so there it is and you know I'm I'm
starting this children were very
important for Esther and myself we never
were allowed to to have children and
unfortunately Upon Our return to uh Els
Israel
um her health deteriorated and she and
she died she passed and so we never had
an opportunity to have children so this
school
is her Legacy
with these children she was a teacher by
training so I hope that as she's looking
down on us that she appreciates uh what
we're trying to do in her name is
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so this is pretty much what I'm doing
right now apart from my business
activities was they're keeping me up
till two or three o'clock in the morning
Jonathan I know that since you came to
Israel
with Estella and now with with you're
traveling a lot you visited Judea
Samaria the Golan
Catherine
excuse me Kevin you're safe can you talk
to us
about your feelings of being in the UW
Swim World in the Golan and Kevin you're
saying if you're going to the places
that
in my opinion I know your opinion are
part of
the areas of Israel that God gave us
it's not it's not just part
it's the core it's the core of
erasakodes
I think one of the most awe-inspiring
moments of my life came when I I gave a
speech at Hari Bob
which is where the tribes the sevatim
really came together to form a nation
under Yeshua
and one of the points that I was trying
to make to people there in my speech was
that if anybody
wants to call into question our right to
this land
here's our refutation here's our proof
it isn't just
that we bought it isn't just Kevin
yourself that was bought it isn't just
yerushalayim that was conquered and and
became our our major Capital after
February
this place just like the mishkan in
Shiloh
represents the the epitome if you will
of our claim to the land
so it was like coming real it was really
like coming home
for me and when I stood on that mountain
overlooking valleys that our people had
used in the conquest of the land
it just hit me very hard that I'm home
finally
and
for many people who come here
from from the United States or from
Europe or forever in the galloup they
come from I don't mention diaspora I
don't use that word I use the word galot
because that's what it is
um when they actually go to places like
Shiloh and they see the Mishka or where
the mishkan was or they go to the mahara
fella and they actually look
at the tombs of our imoholds
and and
people like I mean all of these it's
real there it is you can actually go up
and put your hands on these canvas
then they suddenly realize this is where
they belong
there's an expression
that Esther used to tell me all the time
and she said it when she died
she said you know it's very easy
to take a Jew out of government
and bring him to erasakodesh
but it's very very hard to get the
galoot out of the Jews mind well one of
the major ways of doing that is to come
here and live
to make Aliyah to recognize that
it's not natural it's unnatural for Jews
to live in galut while there is an
opportunity to live in Arizona
there are some people I mean this is my
opinion now there are some people who
feel that they can't uh start this
journey back until
they're waiting for moshia
well I ask them another question
maybe just maybe
come in soon
is waiting for us
from waiting for us to come home
so in in the possibility with the
possibility that this could be the case
come home
because you might be accelerating the
timing of Music he's waiting for us it
isn't just our middle to our Miss World
or our our observance General observance
it's our presence here in the land the
in gathering
so it's very important to come and to be
a part of this Society this evolving
society and to help defend
and promote
the Jewish identity of this country
certainly
when you look at all of the lands in
Yehuda and shamron and Benjamin you look
at all these lands
it and you read Tanakh
you read the the Naveen the the prophets
it's here
you can actually look at it you can
stand on it you can breathe the same air
that our our prophets breathe
it's the most awe-inspiring and
uplifting experience you could imagine
is are there problems oh yes there are
there are a lot there are a lot of
problems but they are our problems and
we can solve them
you know there's an old expression that
Alia is a process of pushing and pulling
the pull of the land the pull of the
heart the pull of the soul the nashama
to come home and also the push of bad
developments in the galot
right now
I think it's pretty obvious that the
galloup is closing down
and I have to you know tell people yes
this includes the United States as well
nothing that I've seen nothing that I've
read nothing that I've heard
would suggest otherwise
so it would be good for people to come
now while you can in an orderly way
before you you have to come
and you have to come in whatever
Condition You Are
so
come get a place to stay bring your
children bring your relatives but come
home
and yes you can start a business here
it's a little difficult yes you can
eventually put up with the bureaucracy
which is uh a granted mind-numbing but
you know it's something that we can
change
um and it's here that you can really
live the life that God intended for us
to live because there are certain
uh Miss vote they can only be performed
here only here
so why not come home and practice all of
them rather than just some of it
Jonathan I've had the opportunity
to walk the streets of Jerusalem with
you
and every time I do
whether people are walking or driving
they stop they honk
they comment they're happy to see you
they prayed for you they're you're their
hero what what goes through your mind
when when this happens
I remember
I remember once in New York
that you were walking down somewhere in
one of the streets and all of a sudden a
bus stops
and off that bus came highly and higher
old soldiers who were in America for
wrestling relaxation they had they had
been hurt they had been heard in the
awards in the battle and again they
stopped came off the bus in the middle
of Manhattan around you instead of
dancing
I see that in Jerusalem when we walk
together people stop they honk they get
out of their cars
uh what feeling do you have when you
realize
that the Jewish people and Jewish