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Two Sages Debate the Nature of Pharaoh's Evil - By Rabbi YY Jacobson
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The Views of Rav Vs. Shmuel Throughout Talmud: G-d Or Man? For Source Sheets: https://www.theyeshiva.net/jewish/2641 “Now there arose a new king over Egypt,” the Torah states. It seems like a simple verse, but the Talmud and Rashi quote a debate: Rav and Shmuel differ. One explains: Actually a new king, and the other explains: Heissued new decrees. But why would they debate this issue? This class explores a common thread pervading many of the arguments between Rav and Shmuel throughout the Talmud. Do we give preference to our duties to G-d or to man?
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The opening of parshas Shmois possuk
ches.
The possuk says "Vayakam melech chadash
al Mitzrayim, asher lo yada es Yosef."
A new king who did not know Yosef arose
on Egypt.
"Vayomer el amo", he tells his nation,
"Hinei am bnei Yisrael rav v'atzum
mimenu."
The nation of the children of Israel is
great and stronger than us. "Hava
nischaqma lo", let us be sly and clever
with this people. "Pen yirbeh", they may
increase. The people and the nation may
grow. "V'haya ki sikhrenu milchama", and
if a war occurs, "v'nisaf gam hu al
soneinu",
this people too will join our foes, our
enemies, "v'nilcham banu", and will
fight us, "v'ala min ha'aretz", and
drive us out of our own country.
And thus begins the sad and tragic story
of galus Mitzrayim, the horrific
subjugation
of the bnei Yisrael, of the children of
Israel under
the Pharaoh in Mitzrayim.
Zuga d'gemara, meseches Eruvin, daf nun
gimmel, amud alef.
The gemara explains this possuk. The
same gemara is also elsewhere, meseches
Sotah, daf yud alef, and also in Medrash
Rabbah in Shmois. Those are the three
sources where the chazal all bring the
same argument. "Vayakam melech chadash
al Mitzrayim, asher lo yada es Yosef." A
new king arose on Egypt, somebody who
did not know Yoysef.
Says the Gemara, Rav U'Shmuel.
There was a debate between two of the
sages, Rav and Shmuel. What's the
problem? What's the debate? Kha d'amar,
one says khadash mamash. Melekh khadash
means literally a new a new king.
A new king, a new leader arose and took
over on Mitzrayim, became the new
monarch of Mitzrayim. V'kha d'amar, the
other view is she'nishkhashukh ze
Yoysef.
It's not literally a new king, it's just
he changed his attitude. He created new
decrees. Melekh khadash in the sense,
suddenly there was a new personality,
somebody we didn't recognize before. A
new king, a new style of leadership, new
decrees, new edicts, which were
unrecognizable before.
So, the Gemara now is trying to
understand why would they argue? It says
"Vayakom melekh khadash" means a new
king. So, the Gemara explains, just to
argue for the sake of arguing? It says
"Melekh khadash" is a new king. So, the
Gemara says, man d'amar khadash mamash,
the view that says that it was literally
a new king, a new monarch, the old one
died,
or was dethroned, probably died and a
new one took over, d'khiv khadash.
His proof is quite simple. It says
"Vayakom melekh khadash." Khadash in
Lashon Kodesh in Hebrew means khadash,
it means new, a new king, a new king who
wasn't there before.
Man d'amar she'nishkhashukh ze Yoysef,
the one who says it wasn't a new king,
it was just somebody who changed, he
renewed, he created new decrees, new
edicts, mid'like se "Vayamas Vayimlokh."
Something was bothering him. Usually the
terminology in Tanakh when a new king
arises is "Vayimlokh melekh khadash al
Mitzrayim." A new king started to reign.
"Vayimlokh." You have in Parshas
Vayishlakh at the end the whole list,
"Vayamas Vayimlokh, Vayamas Vayimlokh,
Vayamas Vayimlokh." Doesn't say that
here. It says by Yocum Melech Hadash.
Doesn't say by Yimloch Melech Hadash. Or
as the
Gemara puts it by Yimloch.
One died and a new king took over. By
Yocum Melech Hadash he says is a strange
term and really what the possuk is
trying to say is it wasn't a new king.
It's just by Yocum.
Melech Hadash. This king stood up. He
arose. He developed a whole new
attitude, a whole new philosophy, a
whole new perspective on the Jewish
people. He wasn't a new king.
Frag the Gemara, one second. Ulaman
in Shas Zera'im
Hakasiva Shlo Yada Yosef.
It says that it was a new king who did
not know Yosef. If it was the same good
old if it was the same I shouldn't say
good old, but if it was the same old
king
who appointed Yosef as prime minister of
Egypt, who was saved by Yosef HaTzaddik.
His whole empire was saved. Who invited
the Jewish people into his region, into
his country. How do you say "Asher Lo
Yada Yosef"? If it was literally a new
king, it was a new guy on the block. He
never knew Yosef. Yosef passed away.
Maybe he was alive. He never knew Yosef.
But if it's the old king, how do you say
"Asher Lo Yada Yosef"? And for the
Gemara, Maya "Asher Lo Yada Yosef"?
According to this opinion it means
that have a dummy command Lo Yada Yosef
K'lal. It looked like as though he never
knew Yosef.
In other words, the way he behaved, it
seemed like he would have never known
Yosef. Such a lack of gratitude. Such a
lack of appreciation. Such an absence of
menschlichkeit, of simple human feeling
of human reciprocity after what Yosef
did. He made believe he never knew
Yosef. You know they say the word we say
in one of the Al Cheit, Al Cheit
Shechatano Lefanecha Beyodim Uvelo
Yodim. For the sin that we did Beyodim,
that we knew, Uvelo Yodim, that we
didn't know. The question is it already
says we already we say
because of the sudden
So there's a tight
be a them
For the sin that we did for you be a
them
we don't give us
be a them you know below you them you
make believe you don't know. I want to
ask the what are you doing you said I
don't know anything.
So it's NOT ANYTHING LAWYER HE KNEW THAT
HE DIDN'T KNOW
IT LOOKED LIKE HE NEVER KNEW that's
that's how that's how he behaved.
I want to ask a simple question. What do
they have to argue?
So he has a proof because it says this.
He has a proof because it doesn't say by
him look.
But what is it that caused the rab to
embrace this opinion and small to
embrace this opinion? Now very often
you're having the more I should say to
put it in context.
The gamora says I don't know this I
don't know this rab or small one says
this one says this but who who said
which who said which? So there's a rab
was
commentator on the rab and he says my
suggestion is I think it is who says
that usually the cloud is the name who's
mentioned first so the cloud Omar
follows him which would mean in this
case says rab or small one says this one
says this usually
that's the common way to understand it.
Others argue that rab Ruben Margolius uh
has a safer
he has a different view although
probably many of his questions could be
answered but this is naturally what it
seems. This is how rab explains. In this
case it would mean rab says it was a new
king. Small says it wasn't a new king it
was just a change of attitude but I want
to understand why
does he go with this way and why does he
follow this view?
Each one had a question that bothered
them.
Rav was perturbed by the word hadash.
Don't tell me it wasn't a new king. It
was a new king. It says hadash.
Why didn't that bother Shmuel? It should
have bothered Shmuel. On the other hand,
Shmuel is bothered by the vayakom.
Doesn't say vayimlach.
So, they both have something that works
and something that is problematic. Yet,
Rav chose this path and Shmuel chose
this path. We want to try to understand,
is there a way of knowing why Rav
embraces this derech and Shmuel embraces
this derech? There's obviously two ways
of explaining it. Each one has a
difficulty, and each one
gives us some explanation and insight.
What is the underlying plot, so to
speak, behind their argument?
Let's take a look at Rashi. Rashi on
Chumash
quotes the Gemara in Eiruvin and Sukkah.
Zoch Rashi, vayakom melech chadash, Rav
u'Shmuel.
Rav and Shmuel argue, quoting the
Gemara, chadan mai chadash mamash,
chadan mai she'nischanchu zeirus av. One
says literally new, one says the
gezeiros, the decrees were new. Asher lo
yada, continues Rashi, asa atzmo k'ilu
lo yada. This is a new Rashi. He made
believe he did not know.
That's Rashi.
When we read this Rashi and we study it
well,
we
are perturbed by something.
Rashi's pirush on Chumash,
Rashi is called Rabbeinu Shel Yisrael.
He is the great commentator on Chumash,
and much many of his comments,
most of his comments are taken from the
Chazal.
They're taken from Gemara
and from all of the Midrashim.
Yet, in most places, Rashi does not
quote the manda amar, the person who
said it either in gamara or in madras.
There's approximately I think
130 places in humish that Rashi quotes a
name. Most places he will not quote a
name. Sometimes he'll say Rabbi say no
darshu. Sometimes he won't even say our
Rabbi said. He'll just say the pshat of
the pasuk.
You'll look it up. You'll see who said
it.
But there are some places
little more than 100 where he actually
does quote a name.
This is one of them, Rav Shmuel.
Whenever you see Rashi was a great
madayak, when you see that in most
places he doesn't quote a name. In some
places he does. He does tell us who is
the author of this statement or the
author of this argument. It means there
was a reason he felt
that you had to know the name. Now Rashi
generally writes in Bereshit and a few
times
that there's many madroshim on the
pasuk. Ani lo basi lefaresh ela pshuto
shel mikra. That's his famous term term
about himself. My role, my mission
statement is not to give you all the
madroshim, all the explanations. There's
many different explanations. I am here
to explain I speak to the ben chamish
lemikra. I speak to the brilliant child.
The child is always the brilliant the
five-year-old who who gets it.
And I'm trying to explain the literal
interpretation of the pasuk. That's why
the names is not relevant. I'm not here
to give you an encyclopedia of
madroshim. There's other sforim for
that, other commentators for that. When
he does say the name, it means he feels
it's necessary somehow understanding it.
But if this is true
but this is true concerning all of Rashi
when you study Rashi, it becomes
dramatically true in this particular
pasuk. Why does it become so
dramatically true in this particular
pasuk?
Because
I want to show you another two Rashis,
one in parshas Vayeishev, one in parshas
Vayeira, where there's also an argument
of Rav Shmuel in gamara.
And Rashi quotes the argument like he
does here and also with the names. Take
a look.
Parshas Vayishlach Vayechi Kayom hazeh
Vayavo Habayisah La'asos Melachto Vayein
Ish Me'anshei Habayis Sham Babayis.
It was one day, the the day,
and Yosef
comes home to the house of his master
Potiphar in Egypt to do his work. Nobody
in the house is there.
La'asos Melachto, he comes home to do
his work, and we all know the
continuation of the story. Potiphar's
wife is there. She grabs Vatispatzehu
Bigdo, she grabs Yosef by his cloak. She
says, "Shichvi Imi, lay with me."
Vayonas Vayeitzei Hachutzah, he runs
out, and she tears off part of his
cloak, which she uses as evidence that
he tried to do the unthinkable and has
him arrested. We all know the rest of
the story, the rest is history.
Vayavo Habayisah La'asos Melachto Zach
Drashi La'asos Melachto, and this is a
quote from Maseches Sotah Daf Lamed Vav
Amud Beis.
Rav Shmuel, Rav and Shmuel argue. Amar
Mar, Melachto Mamash. One says, "What
does Melachto mean?" Melachto Mamash,
work. Yosef came home to do his work.
What type of work? Whatever labor he was
involved in. He was in charge of the
home. Vachada Amar, the other one says,
La'asos Tzrachav Nichnas. He actually
came home to do his needs, as Rashi
explains, to fulfill her desires.
Which this was the purpose of Yosef
coming home. Finally, after such a long
so many pleas and so many threats and so
many requests, etc., Yosef Hatzadik
surrendered. So then what happens? Ela
Sheniras Lo Demus Diyukno Shel Aviv
Bachulu Kedisra Bemaseches Sotah. It's
just that at the last moment, he saw the
image of Yakov his father,
etc., as the Gemara says there, and
Yakov spoke to Yosef in this image, and
as a result, Yosef abstained, and he
fled the home.
So here again, we have a machlokes
between Rav and Shmuel. It says malacha,
he came home to do work. The first one,
Rav says literally work. Shmuel says
doesn't mean literally work, it's
actually a euphemism for Yosef
surrendering to her wishes. There's
another Rashi in Parshas Vayeira.
Avraham Avinu planted a garden in
Beersheba.
And that's where he called out in the
name of Hashem, the God of the world. He
publicized the awareness of Hashem.
So, Rashi says eshel. What's eshel?
Vayita eshel. I said a garden, but is
that what eshel means? Rav and Shmuel
Chadam one says pardes l'havino peiros
l'orchim b'seuda. It was an orchard that
he planted
where fruits would grow and he could
bring from this garden fruits to his
guests at the meal. So, that's the
connection to vayikra sham b'shem Hashem
Kel Olam. Guests came and he had
wonderful, delicious, fresh fruits that
he gave to them.
Chadam the other opinion says no. Pundak
l'orchim shanyu boi kol minei peiros.
Vayita eshel means Avraham Avinu built,
he planted a hotel, a pundak. It was a
Motel 6 or perhaps a Hilton.
I'm not sure.
But he he he built a hotel u'voi kol
minei peiros. And in the hotel there
were all types of fruits from this
garden, from many other gardens.
U'matzinu lashon netiya b'olam
she'ne'emar vayita olah apadnah. I It
says vayita, he planted. If it's a
hotel, you don't plant a hotel, you
plant you plant trees. So, he says we
find in the Tanach in the Ne'im Perkei
Avos the concept, the term planting even
when it comes to a tent. Cuz it means so
to speak he etched, he established, he
created his his pundak, his hotel, his
tent.
So, in these three places, vayakam
melech chadash, vayavei Aviasar l'asos
malacha, vayita eshel b'Beersheba, in
all of them we know from Rashi and
Chumash an argument between Rava and
Shmuel what the meaning is. Does Aish
mean a garden
orchard or does Aish mean a hotel, a
pundit? Does Malachi mean literally his
work or does Malachi mean he actually
was about to engage her? And Malachi
doesn't mean a new king or does it mean
just a new style of
a new style of leadership?
What is so strange about this and where
we see that Rashi had a to hear.
Rashi had a philosophy which does
demonstrate what I was said saying
saying earlier is this.
In partial
Khai Sarah
Avram Avinu goes to purchase from Ephron
the Ma'aras Hamachpelah. So Rashi says,
why is it called Ma'aras Hamachpelah?
So he says there's an argument.
One opinion is it's called Ma'aras
Hamachpelah because there was a bias
value al gabav.
It was basically two floors.
Another opinion is no, she full of
Zugos.
It the caves were made for peers, for
couples.
For four couples. Full of Zugos. That's
what Rashi says, two opinions. Where did
he get these two opinions? The same
Gemara in Eruvin, Rava and Shmuel. Here
there's no mention of the name. It's not
relevant to you? The same Gemara in
Eruvin that he quotes here. Melech
Chadash. Here it's with the name, there
it's not with the name.
Vayikra.
There's the same argument in Eruvin
between Rava and Shmuel about Nimrod and
Amraphel. There were two people
associated by
in Chazal they're seen as the same
person, Nimrod and Amraphel. The
argument between Rava and Shmuel is what
was his authentic name? Was his
authentic name Nimrod?
And he was called Amraphel because he
built
he built he told Avram to go into he he
he cast Avram into the the furnace, the
fiery furnace? Or no, his natural name,
his birth name that they gave him was
Amraphel. Then Nimrod was the nickname
because Himrod Himrod
He caused rebellion, mutiny of the world
against Hashem.
Same Gemara in Eruvin, the same two
people, Rav and Shmuel argue about it.
Rashi brings the view, Rashi explains
what Nimrod is
according to this view. Rashi also
explains Amraphel is according to this
view and this is no name.
He doesn't mention Rav and Shmuel.
The question is even stronger.
The argument by Eishal between Rav and
Shmuel is in Gemara in Maseches Sotah
daf yud.
But not with Rav and Shmuel. Rebbe
Yehudah and Rebbe Nechemiah.
One says Eishal means a garden. One says
Eishal means a hotel.
So Rashi found probably a version, a
girsa in a Medrash where it says Rav and
Shmuel. But in our Medrash in our Gemara
in Sotah it's not even Rav and Shmuel.
So Rashi actually accepts a less popular
version
because he wants the name Rav and Shmuel
in this place.
So now we could clearly see that when
Rashi quotes a name, it's not just Let
me There's a name, I'll quote it. First
of all, it's proven clearly from the
fact that in most Rashis he will not
quote a name. You have to look it up
yourself. Only as I said around 130
places does he quote a name and you
always have to understand why he feels
that you need to know the name. But here
it becomes dramatically clear. It's the
same Gemara. You bring other arguments
from the same Gemara in Eruvin because
Rav and Shmuel have a bunch of arguments
here in the Gemara.
And yet in three places you bring the
name, in other places you don't bring
the name. Two places you don't bring the
name.
So
we're going to explore today one
Mahalak, one perspective in this space
of Hashem.
It's a Mahalak, it's a Derek.
That was shared by the Rebbe, by the
Lubavitcher Rebbe once at a farbrengen
Shabbos Shmois Taf Shin Lamed Vov, 1976.
In one of his famous Rashi sichos.
In which he analyzed and explored in
detail the Derek, the Mahalak, the shita
of Rashi and in toda in every word in
the diuk of Rashi.
So although there's a long discussion
that that goes over into another sugya
about Rav and Shmuel, but I want to
focus on one I'm taking I'm I'm gleaning
out, I'm extracting one component of a
long shmuos, of a long talk that's
directly relevant to this.
When we learn Shas or we learn Medrish,
we come across constantly the same
we often come across the same great
sages arguing. Whether it's Abaye and
Rava.
Whether it's Rav and Shmuel.
Whether it's Rav and Reb Yosef. Whether
it's Reb Akiva and Reb Yishmael. Whether
it's Reb Yehuda and Reb Meir. Whether
it's Beis Shammai and Beis Hillel.
And it's
hundreds of arguments between some of
them, dozens of arguments between
others.
We can assume
that each argument is completely
self-contained.
They're discussing this halacha, they
have an argument, they're discussing
another halacha, they have another
argument.
Yet
yet
when one looks deeper, we can often find
what the Gemara calls letame or
leshitase. Meaning, there's a common
thread that pervades maybe not all of
the arguments, but many of the
arguments. In other words, you can trace
back distinct arguments to a general
theme, philosophical
theological,
psychological, spiritual, legal,
or a particular shita in life.
And from this from this core argument
from this core argument
branch out many different details and
even though at first glance they may not
seem connected, but when you get in a
quota when you trace it back to the core
you can often see how many arguments are
like branches of one tree. Which of
course gives a new depth of learning
because it demonstrates it's not just
you know, we always have to argue. So I
hold this, you hold this. Why does Why
do I hold this and you hold this? Rather
we see that there's real central ideas
of how they saw what Yiddishkeit is,
what Torah is, what Halakha is.
And now their arguments expressed that
Ki hi chachmaschem uvinaschem le'einei
ha'amim means that every nekuda of Torah
has tremendous wisdom. It's not just I
understand, okay. He says this, he says
this. If you glean, if you go into it,
you'll be able to find your yesodos ha
chaim, fundamentals in life, even though
it seems like it's an individual
argument about an individual topic in
life.
There were those in later generations
acharonim who really focused on this,
developed it a lot, particularly Reb
Yosef Engel,
the Rogatchover Gaon,
the Lubavitcher Rebbe,
and a few others, Ephraim Yosef Zevin, a
little in a few places,
who really focused a lot on the shita of
leshitoso.
And in their seforim you have many
different leshitosos, which are
fascinating.
So I'm going to explore with you today a
leshitoso, a view of Rav Shmuel
that the Rebbe suggested.
There is another leshitoso of Rav Shmuel
that he explained, and another leshitoso
of Rav Shmuel that Reb Reuven Margolies,
who also was into leshitoso as a sefer
shem olam, that he explains in Rava and
Shmuel.
But I'm not discussing that. That's a
big machlokes if Rav follows always the
literal Rav usually follows the literal
interpretation of the word and Shmuel
follows context.
Shmuel looks at context toichen ha'inyan
and Rav follows the literal
interpretation of the word that you see
in many many machlokes in in Shas, but
today we want to focus on another
possible shittosai between Rav and
Shmuel. And for this we have to learn a
line in Gemara Chayrus daf mem tes mem
beis. It says the Gemara in Chayrus kaim
alon we have a halacha d'chal haicha
d'pligi Rav u'Shmuel. Whenever there's
an argument between Rav and Shmuel
hilchesa k'Rav b'issura v'Shmuel b'dina.
The halacha follows Rav when it comes to
issura and Shmuel when it comes to dina.
Issura means all issues between man and
Hashem. For example, hilches t'fillin,
hilches mezuzah, hilches sefer Torah,
hilches Shabbos, hilches Yom Tov.
Hilches mikvah. These are
hilches lulav etc. These are halachas
between issurim. Hilches kashrus,
hilches shchita. All the dinim of kosher
food etc.
Mamonah
dina is monetary issues. Choshen
Mishpat, Bava Kamma, Bava Metzia, Bava
Basra. Civil law, relationships between
people. When it comes to issurim
questions is it kosher? Is it treif? Is
it muttar? Is it assur?
Whether in kashrus or Shabbos or tzitzis
or mikvah etc. The halacha follows Rav.
All issues that are monetary issues,
monetary debates, civil law, there the
halacha follows Shmuel. Hilchesa k'Rav
b'issura u'Shmuel b'dina or as it's
quoted in some places u'Shmuel
b'mamonah. WHY? WHY is this?
Now Rav and Shmuel were contemporaries.
Rav was older than Shmuel, but they
lived in the same generation. They lived
in the second they were born in the
second century after the common era.
Meaning a little more than 100 years
after the destruction of the second base
hamikdash to the point that Rav Shmuel
is the first generation of Amoraim. Rav
and Shmuel are the bridge between the
generation of Tanaim and the generation
of Amoraim to the point that the Gemara
says Rav Tam lo hu apalik. Rav is still,
so to speak, the last one who could
still be considered a TANNA AND CAN
ARGUE WITH Tanaim even though Amoraim
usually never found a justification to
argue with Tanaim. Shmuel is considered
the first generation of Amoraim. They
were both born in the holy land in Eretz
Yisrael already under Roman Roman rule,
Roman oppression. As I said, it's the
second century after the common era and
they both, Rav is a talmid of Rebbe,
Rebbe Yehudah HaNasi, the editor of
Mishnayos. Rav learns under Rebbe, Rebbe
Yehudah HaNasi. The Rashbam writes, I
think the Rashbam writes in Bava Basra
that when Rebbe was in Eretz Yisrael,
Rav became in Babylonia. Yeah, he's
called Rebbe with a Yud, he's called Rav
without a Yud. His name wasn't Rav, his
name was Abba. Reb Abba Arikha they
called him, Abba the long one, probably
because of his height, although it's not
so clear, but probably Abba Arikha, but
as respect they named him Rav, the Rav,
the Rabbi of Klal Yisrael, like Rebbe is
the Rabbi of Klal Yisrael, Rebbe Yehudah
HaNasi.
Rav learned by Rebbe, he learned by his
uncle Reb Chiya, he had an uncle Reb
Chiya from his father's side, his
mother's side, he learned by them. And
ultimately he descended to Babylonia to
Bavel. In Bavel lived at the time
another sage who was a little younger
than him, his name was Shmuel.
Shmuel was the Rosh Yeshiva in a city
called Nehardea.
The Gemara says about Shmuel that his
brilliance was unique.
Shmuel said about himself, "Nehirna li
shvilei di rakia kashvilei di Nehardea."
The pathways of heaven are as clear to
me as the pathways of Nehardea. He was a
tremendous great astronomer
and a great physician and a great
scholar, even though he never got
smicha.
He never got smicha, Shmuel. That's why
we call him Shmuel.
And Shmuel was the Rosh Yeshiva of
Nehardea. Rav didn't want to go to the
same place.
Rav established a Yeshiva in a city
called Sura.
Both on the Euphrates River, on the
Euphrates in in Iraq. The geography of
Iraq is very important for Jewish
history, especially for Talmud Bavli.
And I don't know if I'm allowed to say
parsha parsha Bereishis, too.
A lot of interesting things happened
around Iraq, in Iraq. So, he was in
Sura, he was in he was in Nehardea. Rav
passed away before Shmuel, and they did
not stop arguing.
Throughout Shas, the two people who
argue constantly
is Rav and Shmuel.
Rav and Shmuel, although they had
tremendous respect for each other, to
the point that Shmuel said about Rav,
the Gemara says, "Lo ye'uneh letzaddik
kol avon." When he's a tzaddik, mistakes
won't happen to him. When Rav passed
away, Shmuel tore his garment 13 times.
But nonetheless, their arguments are
constant. So, the Gemara says in
Kerisus,
the halacha is like Rav when it comes to
issurim,
to mitzvos between man and Hashem, the
halacha is like Shmuel when it comes to
monetary issues. Why?
So, the Rosh, Rabbeinu Asher, in
Maseches Bava Kamma tells the reason.
Says the Rosh, Rosh Bava Kamma perek
dalet siman dalet, "Shmuel hayah ragil
tomid liffsig dinin."
In Shmuel's Beis Din, he was always
involved in giving halachos concerning
monetary disputes. "Velachein hayah
medakdek bahem."
So, he was very meticulous. He was
precise.
He had the opportunity to descend into
the depths of all the halachos concerned
with mammon, with civil law. "Vechein
Rav hayah ragil ledakdek be'ir'os issur
veheter. Lachach sam kol rosho
Ravin his best then this became the best
then that was the best the TRACK THE
BEST PLACE for Easter the head to grab
was completely entrenched in this of a
head to so simply because Rav was so
involved in this world
he fine tuned he fine tuned his skills
in this and small and the name of an S
so that's why when the hazard had to
decide
so this is not a blanket statement you
never make a blanket statement in a
locker every case has to be analyzed
independently
right
to the point that the camera says in a
few places usually the is like Rav or
the is like small the bar mitzvahs
besides a few exceptions we don't go
that's way we don't go this way in other
words we analyze it but generally there
was a rule unless it was specified and
they did analyze every case but unless
it was otherwise specified this was
usually the way that
the birthday dinner in the majority of
asking and therefore it became the that
way according to the formula that my
gave us of
Robin
or whatever the formula on this specific
a specific situation of an argument is
what do we see from here
we see from here
that they were really involved
although obviously small was a great
back in Easter and Rav was a great back
in moment that goes without saying but
nonetheless this was his main as he
would say in Yiddish his main
I don't know how to how you translate
in English
I can't say his main cooking
but this was this was where Rav is going
to begin this is where Rav's soul was
where his mind was primarily and this is
where small's primary mind was comes
the Rebbe and says if this is the case
it would seem perhaps that when you
study many arguments of Rav and Shmuel,
you could see
that if there is a choice of explaining
the Sugya
in a way
that it will strengthen the relationship
in Adam la Makom,
Rav will follow that view.
If you can explain it in a way that will
strengthen the relationship, not the
vertical relationship, but the
horizontal relationship between man and
man,
ben Adam la Chaveiro, man man, woman
woman, people,
that's where Shmuel is going to embrace
it.
So, in other words, even though we all
know,
or we should all know, that the Aseres
Hadibros, the Ten Commandments, have
five mitzvahs that relate to ben Adam la
Makom and five that relate to ben Adam
la Chaveiro,
and both were given by Hashem himself,
and when somebody chooses this over this
or this over this, it doesn't represent
authentic Judaism. The person who's very
religious ben Adam la Makom, when it
comes to ben Adam la Chaveiro, is not
so.
The same Aseres Hadibros says both.
And uh conversely, conversely, but Rav
nonetheless had a unique kinship with
ben Adam la Makom and Shmuel had a
unique kinship with ben Adam la
Chaveiro.
So, therefore, when there's a choice,
his mahalach, his mind, HIS SOUL,
NATURALLY GRAVITATES THERE. That's who
he is. And Shmuel's natural soul
gravitates there to ben Adam la
Chaveiro.
And when you reflect on it, I want to
show you a few arguments before we get
back to our Rashis
that I think
you could see this quite clearly.
You could see this quite clearly. Let's
take a look.
First of all, two statements of Shmuel.
The Gemara says in Shabbos daf mem tes
amud beis, Shmuel says lo oilam al yotzi
Adam es atzmo min haKlal. Famous
expression of Shmuel, never exclude
yourself from the community, from the
clan. Shmuel also says in Chullin daf
tzadik gimmel,
this should be memorized, assur lignov
daas habriyos afilu daas shel
A person is never allowed to deceive
somebody else's mind. No difference, a
Jew, a non-Jew, to do anything that will
fool, trick somebody.
Gneivas daas doesn't mean you steal
something. That he's not talking about.
He That's for sure. He means gneivas
daas means you make a false impression.
It's conniving. It's lying. You don't
steal anything. But gneivas daas.
You want to come eat by my house tonight
for Shabbos? I know, of course, that
you're going somewhere else. You're
going to be out of town. But why not?
They're ready. I can have the cake and
eat it, too.
You could see that I'm a great man. I'm
inviting you to my house, and I never
have to have you because I know you're
not going to be available for Shabbos.
That's a classic case that Chazal give
for gneivas daas. LET ME OPEN THE BOTTLE
of wine, as I choshev like you. Let me
open the bottle of wine. Of course, the
bottle of wine was either open that you
would have opened it even if he wasn't
there. You're not do harming anything,
but it's gneivas daas. It's dishonesty.
It's dishonest. So, Shmuel says you're
not allowed to do this to anybody, not
even a Gentile. The Rambam writes in
Hilchos De'os, the Kesef Mishneh says I
don't know where the Rambam got it, but
we could rely ON THE RAMBAM, RAV LEISACH
SICHA BETEILAH kol yamav.
Usually when you have relationships with
people, it's hard. But the Rav was a
person that in his whole LIFE LEISACH
SICHA BETEILAH, he didn't have a
conversation that was idle. That was
idle with another person. He always
retained a sense of seriousness and
holiness. I said before, Shmuel said
about Rav Leisach, you only a tzaddik
kol oven.
Now,
let's see a mach- machlokes in Pesachim
daf kuf tes zayin amud aleph.
Fascinating Mishnah. We all know the
Mishnah. The Mishnah is talking about
Pesach. Zog the Mishnah, maschil bignus
umesayem beshvach. When you tell the
story of Pesach you begin with Gnus.
Gnus means
Gnus.
You begin with disgrace, with shame, and
you conclude with praise.
Rav and Shmuel have an argument. What
does this mean?
My big nose. My big nose.
So Rav says
In the beginning our parents, our
forefathers were idol worshipers.
That's how you begin. We of course do
both.
Right after the Man Ishtana, we tell our
kinderlach let's start telling you the
story. So first we follow Shmuel, we say
we used to be slaves in Egypt. That's
the Gnus. And the Shvach is Hashem took
us out. That's going to be the end of
the Haggadah.
Rav says no, the Gnus is not that. The
Gnus is what? In the beginning our
forefathers were idol worshipers.
Why do they have to argue? It says
what's the argument?
Comes the Netziv.
And the Netziv
says
the argument is not about the order of
the Haggadah. The argument is about what
the author
meant when he wrote Gnus.
Either we were idol worshipers or we
were slaves.
The Netziv
says they're not actually arguing what
should be in the Haggadah.
And perhaps
they both said it in their Haggadah.
They're arguing what Gnus means. When
the Tanna said Gnus, what did he mean?
What's the argument? So the Maharal says
in Hashem chapter
2. The Maharal says idol worship is Gnus
of the soul.
Slavery is Gnus of the body.
Somebody can be a slave but spiritually
he's free. Somebody could be an idol
worshiper. Physically he's a free man
but spiritually he's enslaved.
Spiritually he's depraved. Morally he's
depraved. He's enslaved to a popular
culture. He's enslaved to his own
addictions. He's enslaved to his own
habits. He's enslaved to his own fears.
He's enslaved to distorted cultish
beliefs. He's a free person physically.
He could move. But, internally, he's a
slave. We all know it can be a much
worse
worse kind of slavery.
That's what the Maral says.
So, in fact, the Maral oop ligi as a
gnus nesh of gnus yoister. What's called
a greater gnus?
Le daas Rav, gnus hanefesh hu iker.
V'lachein mashcha b'chilei avodah zarah
aviseinu. Le daas Shmuel, gnus haguf hu
iker. V'lachein mashcha l'vadei mayeinu.
Rav says, gnus hanefesh.
Gnus haguf. In many ways, you could say
gnus hanefesh, this is man's
relationship with Hashem. As a slave,
mai bein adam l'chaveiro.
It's a horrible situation. I'm being
oppressed. I'm being abused by another
person. The other person has control
over me. Shmuel says this is a far
greater gnus.
Comes the Gemara in Megillah daf yud
gimmel,
and they have an argument on the pasuk,
Achashveirosh really appreciates Esther,
vayishanev es naarei harei selach l'toiv
beis hanashim.
He does special changes for Esther,
positive changes.
Sagi d'Gemara, Rav Amar, sheshino is al
toiv bazeh she'echilo maachal Yehudi.
He gave
Esther, he allowed her to eat kosher
food. Shmuel says, he'echila
What's the toiv? He gave her, as Rashi
says, chtichos shuman chazer. Fat pieces
of swine.
In other words, all the other girls that
he had there, he fed them, you know,
tuna and sardines.
Canned gefilte fish. And Esther Hamalka,
she got to order out every night or he
ordered for her cutlet of khazir.
There's an argument Rashi and Tosfos
there. Rashi says,
"And it was an issue of life and death,
so she ate it." And Tosfos writes, "Chas
v'shalom she ate so I ate khazir.
Achashverosh served it. It was there on
the plate, but Esther didn't eat it."
Asks the Manos Halevi. The Manos Halevi
is a great commentator on Megillas
Esther written by the author of Lech
Dodi, Reb Halevi Alkabetz from
Tzfas,
a brother-in-law of the Ramak, Rabbeinu
Moshe Cordovero, 16th century Tzfas.
He asks, "What's the difference?"
Rav, when it says tov, he right away
looks, I would say bein adam l'makom,
between you and God, what's good? A
kosher stick of assam.
Shmuel is looking tov from a more
earthly point of view, you would say
bein adam l'chaveiro, between man and
man, what's pshat? He gave a good meal.
When you say I went to his house, I went
to the chasunah, oh, he's given a
seudah, it means it was a good hechsher.
When people say it was a good meal, bein
adam l'chaveiro,
it's referring to delicious, fatty, or
as they would say today, unhealthy.
In Sanhedrin daf tzadik daled, Rav and
Shmuel argue va'yichad Yisro. Yisro
comes to visit the Jewish people. Moshe
tells him the whole story, va'yichad
Yisro. What's va'yichad Yisro? Rav Amar
shehevir cherev chad al tzaro. He took a
sharp, va'yichad is from the word chad,
cherev chad, sharp sword, and he
circumcised himself, he converted.
Shmuel Amar she'nasa chidudin chidudin
k'tzaro.
His whole flesh began trembling, he got
the chills, chidudin chidudin. He got
butterflies, so to speak, all over his
body.
AMAR RAV, RAV SAYS EXPLAINING SHMUEL,
hainu d'amrei in she. This is what
people say do you order the sort of
those dollar a lot of Shivaji are my
Bobby. A convert till 10 generations
don't embarrass somebody of his ancestry
just because he became Jewish doesn't
mean you have a right to start speaking
about
his nation in a disgraceful way because
ultimately these are his biological
parents, grandparents,
great-grandparents and so forth.
Mistake sometimes people marry a spouse
and the spouse gets upset at their
parents and the son-in-law wants to add
a little kerosene. So he starts
explaining to her even better the nature
of her mother or her father and doesn't
realize what a terrible mistake it is
because for you you're an in-law and
tomorrow you'll be an outlaw but but but
for her it's her parents. Even if she's
upset it's her parents. You have to be
very careful with these things and not
just careful because the consequences
careful because it's it's not right.
It's insensitive. Even if you have even
if you have a struggle in issue but
that's a separate subject. But the point
IS WHAT'S THE ARGUMENT?
ROUGH SAYS BEEN OUT OF MY MIND. By you
HE HAD
HE HAD A BREEZE. SMALL SAYS NO BY YOU HE
HAD IT he felt bad. You know why? He
came from there and when he heard what
happened to the Egyptians, when he heard
what happened to pirate, when he heard
about the plagues, when he heard about
them all drowning, he was talking a Jew
and he loved Judaism and he loved God
and he loved my sure about him and he
loved to pirate. But they know the
camera he was sensitive these are his
people and rough even explains it to
small.
So here again we see a similar argument.
It's interesting. It's interesting in
him there's another argument between
them.
There's a famous argument in him that I
involve.
We won't spoke about it at length.
If something non kosher falls into
something kosher or something kosher
falls into something that non kosher
part, so there's an argument between
rough and small. Rough Omar he law
govern. Shmuel Amar, ta ta gavar. What
prevails? If the higher piece of meat,
the top piece of meat is hot and the
lower one is cold or conversely. Rav
says it's determined by the il la, by
the one on the top. And since heat
causes flavor to travel, we know that
heat expands the molecules and therefore
the the flavor travels. So, if the
higher piece is hot, the whole pot
becomes treif. Shmuel says ta ta gavar,
the lower one prevails and therefore you
follow the lower one. If the lower one
is hot, then the pot is treif because we
assume that the whole thing became hot
and therefore the taste traveled. But if
not, if the higher one is hot according
to Shmuel, you have to peel off the
place that's touching, but you don't
make the whole pot treif if the one on
the bottom was cold and therefore he
assumes that case rather the halacha
here is like whom?
The halacha here is here you have an
example with halacha in issurei is like
Shmuel. The halacha in Yoreh De'ah in
Hilchos Ta'arovos is ta ta gavar. If you
remember before Shavuos, we once
explained the whole mahalacha of the
Baal HaTanya in the machlokes il la
gavar and ta ta gavar, it's not just an
argument about meat. It's an argument
about two hashkafos. Bein adam la makom
is il la, bein adam la chaveiro is ta
ta. Bein adam la makom is you focus on
the above higher. Bein adam la chaveiro
is not vertical but horizontal. Shmuel
says ta ta gavar. You have in the same
maseches Pesachim daf kuf dalet an
interesting argument about Havdalah. How
do you finish the bracha of Havdalah?
Rav Amar, mekadesh Yisrael.
Shmuel Amar, ha'mavdil bein kodesh
l'chol. Why is there an argument? Rav
says we finish Havdalah Baruch Ata
Hashem mekadesh Yisrael. What's the
connection to Havdalah? We're not
talking about making the Jews holy.
We're talking about saying goodbye to
Shabbos. Ha'mavdil bein kodesh l'chol,
that's what Havdalah is. Havdalah is
part of the mitzvah of honoring Shabbos,
remembering Shabbos. Zochreihu
biknisosai uv'itzi'osai.
So, Rebbe Yosef Engel has a safer called
Beisa Otzar
and he quotes from the one of the great
Kabbalists of Italy, Rebbe Menachem
He quotes Rebbe Menachem Azariah of Fano
in Shaalos U'Tshuvos HaRame.
Siman Yud Ches, and this is what he
says, "B'perek Erev Pesach im sover Rav
she choiseimin hahavdala kol motzei
Shabbos mikadesh Yisrael. The ta'amei
the reason is the keivan d'nafka
l'kedushas Shabbos." It's a beautiful
interpretation. Because the kedusha of
Shabbos left, lo tisak da'atan d'poka
l'kedushasaihu d'Yisrael. Don't think
that the kedusha of the Jewish people
also left. So, right now when you're
saying goodbye to Shabbos, the kedusha
of Shabbos ceased till next week. We say
"Baruch Atah Hashem mikadesh Yisrael."
The kedusha of the Jew remains. What's
the idea? Rabbi Yosef Engel explains,
because the kedusha of the Jew is so
intimately connected to Shabbos, so you
would THINK THAT IT'S SHABBOS that makes
the Jew holy. Shabbos is the gift that
Hashem gave the Jew to make him holy.
So, we say "Shabbos is over." Al
ba'd'vusta chaltzei'id.
Motzei Shabbos is here, doesn't mean you
have to be a ben Adam. Shabbos is over.
Saturday night live.
Mit hagbalos. Mit Shabbos is over, but
you still a Jew. Mikadesh Yisrael. The
Jew is still holy. Next effort in a
Gemara, and nothing will kill you if you
open a Gemara motzei Shabbos.
So, this is Rav's view. Again, Rav
believes that the kedusha of the Jew is
deeply connected with Shabbos, which is
Hashem's day, and therefore you have to
say "Mikadesh Yisrael." Shmuel says,
"I'm focusing on the havdalah bein
kodesh l'chol."
These are perhaps There's more, but I
just chose a few possible examples.
This is not what the Rebbe said, but
these are a few possible examples to see
Rav and Shmuel's view expressing itself
this way. In other words, when you have
a Musak and Yiddishkeit and you could
focus primarily been Adam LaMakom, Rav
might go more that way and Shmuel might
gravitate more that way. There's a very
good shmacha maisa that brings out the
two sides.
They say the story, it's a very it's
it's it's a rich and it's a beautiful
story. The Rav of Vilna
was the legendary Reb Chaim Ozer
Grodzinski zechor tzaddik livracha who
was considered Rabbi was a one of the
greatest leaders of Lithuanian Jewry.
He was a great askan, a great leader, a
great activist, a great gaon. He wrote
Chalas Achuvas Achiezer. He passed away
in Vilna in 1940.
Tav Shin. He didn't leave any
descendants. He had a daughter but she
passed away during his lifetime. So he
passed away without children.
Reb Chaim Ozer Grodzinski once met
another great luminary of Polish Jewry.
This was the Ostrovtzer Rebbe.
Reb Yechiel Meir.
He was the Rebbe of the city of
Ostrovtse in Poland at a yeshiva. He was
considered one of the goanei hador and
he was also a kodesh. He was a
a holy a tzaddik.
He wouldn't speak a lot.
He is Meir Einayim Chachamim from the
Ostrovtzer. I think the last name was
Holstock, right? Yechiel Meir Holstock.
He passed away 12 years before Reb Chaim
Ozer. Tav Resh Peh Ches, 1928.
The story is that the the the the
Ostrovtzer fasted for 40 years.
40 years. He ate at night a little
millet kasha, a little millet with milk.
And some say that he had a a instinct
of a tremendous churban coming and like
the Gemara says about Reb Tzaddik in
Gittin that he fasted 40 years before
churban bayis sheini, they say the
Ostrovtzer fasted 40 years. I once read,
I don't know how reliable it is, that he
used to do it even on Shabbos. And there
was once a guy who had a store open on
Shabbos in Ostrovtse and the the
Ostrovtzer Rebbe came to him and said,
you know,
it's it's chillul Shabbos. You're not
allowed to do this. So he was a
chutzpanik. He says, "Rebbe, it's a
toichen achallel Shabbos. Shabbos you
have to eat. I hear that you fast. So he
says, "No, no, there's a big
difference."
Nobody's going to copy my desecration of
Shabbos.
So I guess even according to our law
here, the mitzvah is one Shabbos if if
for somebody fasting is an one okay. But
the stuff said just said for me nobody's
going to learn. So he would not speak a
lot. He would not speak a lot. They once
asked him and they say that he he his
father was a baker. His father was a
baker and he grew up his father was a
baker. And he said he would sit as a
child in the room and he would watch his
father turn over the bagels. And his
father once turned to him and said, "You
kill man, I want you to remember." As he
closed the oven
he says,
"When the oven is closed and closed
tight, the heat gets retained.
When the oven is opened, you lose the
heat." So he took that for a lesson in
life.
Perhaps I should also.
So
the stuff said once met him once. They
met.
So once he said to him
asked the stuff said to say to her.
It wasn't his day it wasn't his nature
as I told you he wouldn't speak a lot so
he was uh
he was uh he was hesitant to do that.
So the man was just saying to him
I guess I got to go over there but they
say about you that you're a great man so
why don't you share to her?
So the stuff said says,
"Why do you say that I'm a great man?
I'm a great man." They say they say
you're a great
you're a great scholar.
So he says to him this is not a great
man. He says that's not a great man. He
says, "What do you mean?"
He says I'll tell you. There's a message
to Marcus
I brought here the so you could see it
inside Marcus base in the middle of the
page.
The passage says in
when you give lashes, you give 40
lashes.
But that's not the law. The law is we
give 39. You're not allowed to give 40.
It's an issue you get Marcus for that.
So the explains
if it would have said that the judge
gives him 40 in number have a minute
would mean 40 in number hashtag
but since it says
minion shows
but minion means in the number that
leads up to 40. In other words 39.
How foolish are the people? They stand
up on a safe comes in but they don't
stand up in front of a great man.
Who is even greater because the safe
says give him 40 lashes and the rabbis
say give him 39 and we accept that as a
law. So how could you not STAND UP ON A
GOVERNOR COMES IN?
Turns
turns
I don't understand.
Rather found one example from key with
the sages give explanation to the title.
You have it throughout the whole title.
TAKE AWAY THE
SAYS
IT SHOULD BE BETWEEN YOUR EYES.
BUT WE KNOW orally it means top OF THE
HEAD
MEANS not on your hand so over there you
could say it's a law of Cena.
So but we have an example that's
identical to this. Where Emma?
It says how many of them?
You should count 50 days between
how many days do we count? 49. THE
RABBIS TOOK OFF ONE DAY AND THERE'S A
WHOLE DISCUSSION IN THE about it and the
law is.
K'ASAV ACHAS DAY M'SHAVUA SHABBASOS,
K'ASAV ACHAS day m'chamishim yom.
Rebbi Yochanan ben Zakkai, it's it WAS A
WHOLE A WHOLE DEBATE, AND they proved
that it means 49 days. And this is where
in Parshas Emor. So, why does Rava have
to wait to Parshas Ki Seitzei?
And prove the greatness of the Talmud
Chacham,
the greatness of the Chachmei HaMasorah,
the greatness of Chazal, AND HOW FOOLISH
people are not standing up and
respecting them. You have it already in
Parshas Emor. No, he waits to Parshas Ki
Seitzei, where from 40 lashes they made
39. So, the Shulchan Aruch says, "Rebbe,
tells the Chaim Volozhin, "I'll explain
to you."
Rava is using the word gaver rabba,
great man.
He says, "You know what a great man is?
A great man, a gaver rabba, is not
somebody who can say p'shat,
that even though the pasuk says 50,
really it means 49. A gaver rabba is
emes er
vos nemt a up ein klap fun a Yid.
Somebody
who sees that a Jew might be lashed 40
times,
and he proves and he demonstrates and
removes one lash from a Jew, thus is a
gaver rabba. That's a great person.
Thus is a gaver rabba, that's a great
person.
Chaim Volozhin,
he loved the vort. He says, "Ah, das is
chassidus." Chaim Volozhin was a big
Litvak. He said, "Ah, das is chassidus."
He appreciated the vort.
So, we have
We have bein adam l'makom, bein adam
l'chaveiro.
You have the gaver rabba, the gaver
rabba in bein adam l'makom, you have the
gaver rabba in bein adam l'chaveiro.
Now,
let's come
back to Melech Chadash.
Melech Chadash.
Rashi,
in three places brings Rava and Shmuel.
Not in any other places. Why?
Because he actually feels
that to understand the nature of the
argument between them,
why would they argue? You have to know
the names of Rav and Shmuel. By Melech
Chadash, by Yosef, and by Avraham Avinu,
by the nation.
There's an advantage in each
interpretation. That's why he has to
bring both. He wouldn't bring both if he
felt one was pshat and the other one is
not pshat.
This is pshat and this is pshat. He
brings one first, but he also brings the
second one because the first one has
problems. And yet, in order to explain
to you,
in order to explain to you the meaning
of the argument, the nature of the
argument, the reason for the argument,
he brings the names cuz without the
names there would be no way of
understanding it.
What are the names? Rav and Shmuel,
Vayakam Melech Chadash. Let's
understand.
Why does the pasuk
even say all of this? The pasuk is
trying to tell a story. The Jews settled
in Mitzrayim, Yosef passed away.
A new king arose. He didn't know Yosef.
However, we explain the new king. And he
tells his nation, "Let's be clever." Why
let us be clever? Because they made the
clear war against us. They will become
our enemies. Vanilcham banu va'alom men
ha'aretz.
And as a result of that, vayashimu alav
sarei misim, they begin to oppress the
Jewish people. Now, let's understand
this for a moment.
Was this serious?
Or was this pure vicious?
Logically, was there a real concern for
this? I don't understand. Pharaoh,
you turn to your people and you tell
them, "We have a new threat in our
country, the Jews." Why?
They have been killing people? No. They
have been stabbing people in the
streets? No. They have been doing
suicide bombs? No.
They have been blowing themselves up?
No. What's the reason? The reason is pen
yirbeh, they may grow and there may be a
war and they may join our enemies and
they WILL HELP THEM DRIVE US OUT OF THE
LAND.
OH, one second. You have been with them
for many years.
You have been with them for many years.
You saw what their leader Yosef did for
your country.
You saw that they were loyal citizens.
And not only that, they're grateful to
you because Egypt ultimately became a
safe haven for them. It fed them. It
nurtured them. It gave them a place to
settle in Goshen. And the nature of a
functional normal person is you don't
pay back a toivah with a rah.
Somebody who saves my life, I don't go
and when there's a war I fight you. We
see already clearly in p'shat Avraham
and Avimelech. Avimelech asks Avraham
and it's obvious you have to swear to me
that for generations
none of your descendants will ever harm
because I did with you a toivah.
Already in the times of Avraham it's an
obvious idea even by the gentile. Comes
Paro and says no no no no no. They're
going to declare war and destroy us.
Why? What? So you have to assume this is
what's called rishus.
It's called rishus. It's not a fear
that's really justified because the Jews
have proven to be disobedient, disloyal,
criminals, rebels trying to make a
mutiny.
Bolsheviks who are trying to revolt and
overthrow the empire. It's pure rishus.
It's pure rishus.
Now the question is, okay, rishus.
But what type of rishus?
Is it a rishus, is it a wickedness bein
adam lamakom?
Or is it a wickedness bein adam
lachaveiro? What type of rishus? Is it a
wickedness between man and God? My moral
responsibilities to the creator of the
world to moral justice? Or is it
primarily a wickedness between man and
man?
So Rav and Shmuel
see the pasuk. Rav naturally gravitates.
When you want to bring out rishus,
what's the worst rishus? Bein adam
lamakom. Shmuel says you want to bring
out wickedness, what's the worst
wickedness? Bein adam lachaveiro,
between man and man. THIS IS WHERE HE
GRAVITATES NATURALLY. THEREFORE THIS IS
WHAT RAV sees in the possuk, Melech
Chadash. Shmuel sees something else in
the possuk. Each one has a problem.
True, but the other one also has a
problem. So, why am I choosing this,
you're choosing this? This is his soul,
and this is a reflection of his soul.
So, now let's ask a question.
IF YOU SAY
THAT HIS MAIN RISHUS was bein adam
l'chaveiro,
the main rishus is between man and man,
where would that be stronger? If he was
a new king, a new kid on the block, or
he was the old king?
Where would the rishus bein adam
l'chaveiro
obviously the old king, because the old
king
was saved by Yosef, literally. His whole
empire was rescued by Yosef.
He
he saved the situation from doomsday.
There would have been a hunger that
devast- that devastated the world and
would have devastated Egypt completely.
Even that which they stored away rotted,
as Rashi says. And here is the man who
single-handedly
saved the superpower of the time.
And these are his children and his
grandchildren. How could you be such a
kafri toyva? How could you be so
ungrateful?
Unless
you're a rosha marusha, unless you're
cruel,
your bein adam l'chaveiro is so damaged
that's on that level. If you say he was
a new king,
this doesn't mean he was a tzaddik bein
adam l'chaveiro. You have to respect
Egyptian history. But the rishus is not
the same. I never knew Yosef. I never
got anything from Yosef. I never had a
relationship with Yosef. He never saved
my country. That's bein adam l'chaveiro.
If you look at the bein adam l'makom,
it's the other way around. Why is it the
other way around? Because let's think
about it.
If he was an old king,
then he has an excuse to God. He says,
"You know, one second.
I'm the one who made Yosef prime
minister.
I told them you're under my
jurisdiction.
Raka kisa edomi meka, the throne remains
greater than you. His family decided to
move to Egypt and that means they
accepted
to be under my rulership my yoke.
Perhaps they were forced, they needed
food, but they came, they moved to
Egypt. You move to my country,
you accept on yourself to become my
subject. Yaakov Avinu, their patriarch,
came into me. He gave me kavod hamalchus
as Rashi says, glory of a king. He
blessed me when he came in, he blessed
me when he went out. He gave me honor as
a king.
Therefore, according to his mindset, he
has an amsala, he has an excuse that
mishamayim, from heaven. Ben adam
lamakom, I HAVE A RIGHT. NOW I'M
CHANGING my policy, mishach zeirotav,
I'm changing my policy.
On the other hand, if you say he was a
new king, completely a new king,
the Jewish people never came into Egypt
to accept his rulership, to accept him
as a monarch. He never made a deal with
Yosef. Yaakov never accepted him as a
king. They were living there already
when he became a new king. Who gave you
a right to change the policy and
suddenly turn free people into slaves?
Why are you suddenly making new decrees
against them?
WHY? BEN ADAM LACHAVEIRO, MAYBE IT'S NOT
SO BAD, YOU NEVER KNEW YOSEF, YOU NEVER
HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. But ben
adam lamakom, morally speaking, what's
your excuse? Who gave you a right to you
say I'm taking over the previous KING
AND HE HAD A RIGHT to control the Jews
cuz they accepted his leadership. But
one second, he never did this. Why are
you doing this?
Hence, Rav says what's melech?
Melech is melech hadash. Shmuel says
what's melech hadash? She nischatzeir
Yosef. Shmuel looks at rishus ben adam
lachaveiro is much worse. So therefore,
if it's mamash a new king, ben adam
lachaveiro, he wasn't so bad I mean he
was pretty bad but not the worst he
never knew Joseph. So what does Shmuel
say? He knew Joseph. He made himself
like he didn't know Joseph. Been Adam
it's a crime. Rav says a deeper
wickedness is Adam
so Rav says it says
Khadash means new and it works for me
new. You know why? Because if it's new
been Adam
he's a great criminal been Adam
his criminal his criminal record is a
little less than by Shmuel. So Rashi
brings the name Rav and Shmuel here
because this follows their shita. Now
come to the next Rashi.
The next Rashi is
Joseph Hadad.
Joseph comes home to do his work. The
the possuk obviously is telling us about
the righteousness of Joseph Hadad.
That's the story here. He came home. He
runs away from her. He's accused of
doing a horrible thing and he gets
thrown into prison. Rav and Shmuel
argue.
Rav says what's the greatest
who's the greatest
been Adam
so what does
it mean?
He
came home to do his work. Say that he
came home
to
do what the wife of Potiphar wanted.
This would be as Joseph himself said
it would be a terrible crime against
God.
Besides against Potiphar because she was
a married woman. So Rav who sees the
great as being been Adam
he says what does it mean?
What does it mean? What does it mean?
Literally
came home to do his work. Never would I
think that he came home to surrender to
the wish of the wife of Potiphar. Rav
demonstrates the righteousness of Joseph
in terms of the relation between man and
God.
Shmuel comes along
and says
one
second.
Take a look at the possuk. Whenever
Shmuel has a chance
to accentuate,
to bring out that tzedek bein adam
l'chaveiro, that's what he's going to
bring out.
So, that's what he does here. Vayavo
habayis la'asos malachto v'ein ish
me'anshei habayis. Nobody is in the
house. Why is the possuk mentioning
that? V'ein ish me'anshei habayis sham
babayis.
So, if you say Rav and Shmuel follow the
above this difference I said, Rav
follows always the literal wording. And
Shmuel follows context, we can
understand it on one level. Rav says,
"Malachto means work. Malachto doesn't
mean relationship." Shmuel says, "You're
right. Malachto means work, but put it
in the context of the story. Why would
Yosef go into the house when nobody was
there when he knew what the wife of
Potiphar wanted? Why? The words, you're
right, BUT GIVE ME THE CONTEXT. THE
CONTEXT, why would he do that?" So,
Shmuel says I have to say la'asos
tzorcho. Or Shmuel will put it Let's put
it in a different way. Says, "Vayavo
habayis la'asos malachto v'ein ish
me'anshei habayis sham babayis." What's
the connection? He came home to do his
work and nobody is home.
How do you understand the context of the
possuk? So, Shmuel says it had to be a
type of malacha
that if somebody is home, he can't do
it. So, Shmuel says la'asos tzorcho.
THAT'S IF WE EXPLAIN THAT with
shitutzim, but now LET'S GO BEIN ADAM
L'MAKOM BEIN ADAM L'CHAVEIRO. RAV SAYS
TZEDEK BEIN ADAM L'MAKOM. SO, what does
malachto mean? He would never engage in
such a thing.
Shmuel says the Torah is bringing out
the tzedek bein adam l'chaveiro, not
bein adam l'makom. And therefore, the
Torah says Vayavo habayis la'asos
malachto when v'ein ish me'anshei
habayis. He was a servant of Potiphar.
In that sense, he had an obligation bein
adam l'chaveiro to his master, and he
was loyal. He was very loyal.
Vayifkidehu al beiso. He was in charge
on the house. How can he engage in
something else? V'ein ish me'anshei
habayis. There was nobody home then. So
therefore his job as a servant of
Potiphar
at that moment was suspended. There's
nobody home. SO IN TERMS OF
IT BRINGS OUT HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS, his
loyalty to Potiphar in the sense that he
would not violate his duty as a servant
because
right now he's not subject he's not
COMMITTED TO POTIPHAR
HE HAS NOTHING WHAT TO DO WITH POTIPHAR
FOR POTIPHAR BECAUSE THERE'S NOBODY
HOME.
WHAT DOES IT BRING OUT? IT brings out
the sensitivity that
of
so small says last
THIS IS THE ONLY TIME he would do
and yet of course he abstained when he
saw the image of father obviously that
the success they both agree on. Come now
to
he plants an
Rav says he plants a garden. Shmuel says
he builds a hotel. Why would they argue?
Again, why would they argue?
So you could look at it again in terms
of word and context. The word
means he planted. What do you plant? You
plant a garden. But Shmuel says look in
context. Context what are you trying to
do? You want to publicize God. How will
you publicize God more? Through a garden
or through a hotel?
Obviously through a hotel. You have
rooms, you have programs, you have
you do seminars.
You give
and you bring fruits, you bring food.
It's a whole lot of So I understand
Shmuel follows context Rav follows
words.
We're not getting into it today but
there's a whole issue of Rav and Shmuel
on this level throughout words versus
context. But now let's talk about
and Rav says
In terms of
where are you doing a greater favor
service for people? Planting a garden or
building a hotel?
Planting a garden is a wonderful thing
but building a community center
is a far greater service Rav says
You'll bring them fruits, you'll bring
them other foods, you'll service them in
many other ways. So, Shmuel says,
"What's
he show? He planted a hotel."
But, the Rav says, "One second. I'm
always searching for the La Makan." And
here's the question.
When I plant when I build the hotel, I
build the hotel
when I plant a garden, what happens?
What do I have now?
When I plant a garden, I have my sir.
To whom? My sir to Hashem.
To the coin, to those who serve Hashem.
When I get when I make a garden, what
does it say by even by Cain?
By Yove?
Right? By Yove Cain?
Huh? Men Hashem from what? From his new
fruits. Even Cain understood that. A
hotel you can't do that. You built a
hotel, beautiful, YOU'RE SERVING PEOPLE.
SO, RAV ALWAYS looks to see there's a
special
special emphasis also on Adam and Hava.
So, Rashi here also quotes Rav and
Shmuel because Rav and Shmuel give
explanation and insight to the reason
they would argue. Yes, there's an
advantage in this in this perspective
there's an advantage in this one, but
why would they argue in these three
cases? Rashi feels you can understand
the nature of the argument and what
would cause you to go here, what would
cause you to go here, and the advantage
in each. And that's why in these three
places he quotes the name.
In conclusion, what we also learn from
here is on a more general historic from
a more general and historical point of
view is
that very often in the world of politics
and in the world
a new leader arises.
Now is a very hot uh
hot season of deciding
who is going to be the new leader? Who
should be the new leader?
A new leader this arises.
So that she's telling us here, of
course, based on the Gamara in Maseches
Sotah.
He said, "No difference if it's a Melech
Chadash
or no difference if it's a Melech
She'eino Chadash and it's not a Melech
Chadash."
Sometimes people think
a new leader means everything of the
past is erased and a whole new beginning
emerges.
And sometimes people think a new leader
could be very, very dangerous. An old
leader, if you get him to change the
attitude, it's much better.
So that she tells us here, as long as
he's a Melech Mitzrayim, Mitzrayim means
Lashon Meitzar,
somebody who oppresses, who oppresses
truth,
who oppresses godliness, who oppresses
Yiddishkeit, who oppresses or oppresses
the Holy Land. So no difference if it's
a Melech Chadash, if it's a new new
king, or it's an old king She'eino
Chadash, or so. If it's a Melech
Mitzrayim,
then don't be deluded and don't be
deceived
that you don't have to stand guard and
you don't have to be careful, because
Melech Mitzrayim could come in many
different types of guises. Could be a
new person with a new promise, with a
new message, with a new perspective,
but yet ultimately it's Havanas Ha'adam
Eloi. Or it could be an old person who
says in this Hadash Ze Oisev new things
will happen, but it could be the same
Melech Mitzrayim. What you do need is
you need Be'al Deisa Ivri'us. You need
Yiddishe Mamos. You need Yiddishe Tatus.
That when the Melech Mitzrayim says,
"Take your children and throw them in
Ha'yor'a, throw them in what's your
Oira, throw them into the Avodas Zarah
of Mitzrayim." The Nile was the idolatry
of Mitzrayim. That's what they
worshipped cuz it was the source of
their livelihood. When the king of
Mitsrayim says, "Take your children and
throw them into the god of Mitsrayim.
Throw them into the deities of
Mitsrayim.
And even the daughters, make sure you
give them life according to the what
Egypt calls life."
You have Jewish mothers
who don't listen to Paro Melech
Mitsrayim and raise a generation that's
not entrenched
in the Nile and the idolatry of Egypt.
And then you have a Moshe Rabbeinu who
comes to the king
with a matteh Elokim.
He respects a king.
A king you respect, but he comes with a
stick.
And with a stick of God. Meaning he
comes with confidence. He comes with
Jewish pride. He comes with a sense
of dignity that comes from Hashem.
Matteh Elokim beyado. Rashi says he
respects Paro, but he comes to Paro with
a matteh Elokim.
He comes as a servant, as a citizen of
Egypt to the king. But how does he come?
He comes with a stick of God, matteh
Elokim.
Not apologetic, not embarrassed, not
ashamed, not lame, not meek.
He has a divine stick in his hand, so
he's respectful. He follows the laws of
nature when you have to follow the laws
of nature. He knows how to be diplomatic
when you have to be diplomatic. But
matteh Elokim beyado.
He's not ashamed, he's not embarrassed
to speak the truth. He's not embarrassed
to say who he is and what his land is
and what God is. And he could say
shalach es ami veyavduni. That's the
ultimate eitzah against all the types of
Paros Melech Mitsrayim, whether it's a
new kid on the block, whether it's an
old kid on the block who changes his
colors, but that's the ultimate solution
of the Jewish people against Paro and
all of his guises. Have a wonderful
week.
Woo.