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Yet another shocking video from inside
United Talmudical Academy in Curious
Joel. Anti-abuse activists leaking the
surveillance tape showing the same
office, the same man who police describe
as the principal again with a young boy
between his legs appearing to kiss him.
According to some on social media, this
time also giving the boy candy at the
end of their encounter. Actions that
have prompted a joint sex abuse
investigation. However, others within
the extremely religious and private
hidic community are now defending the
principal who's also a rabbi. You know
this rabbi and you do not feel as though
there's anything inappropriate in these
videos. He's not going to hurt the kids.
His life is for the kids. Joseph Waldman
says the rabbi seen on tape is well
known and respected within the
ultraorththodox community for having
what he calls a fatherly approach with
kids. This person is such a loving
person that instead of taking out the
belt and beating up the child rather
give an extra kiss for an extra show of
love. It's not just
as soon as as I was able to locate the
video and see it, I looked it up, okay,
again and again and again and I made
many inquiries into my mind
as experienced member of this community
for so many years
and uh as a a father of many kids and
grandkids. kids and great grandkids
very
involved
and knowing
a lot of the members and knowing
specifically
that principle
that you were talking about. So I I went
through it with a fine tooth com and I
looked at it again and again
after hearing all
the reports
which the streets in Uendo which goes
around and uh which I saw a lot of um
speculations
going around.
I came to the conclusion
not as Bor Deutsch
said or the other man who said it
because they are they are just for
revenge.
They are uh people who went off out of
the schools, who went out of our
communities, and in every opportunity
they have, they're trying to to black
our eyes in the in the secular world.
It's not an uncommon issue for teachers
to sort of be navigating how much
physical contact is okay, what's
acceptable, what crosses lines because
you don't know what a child brings to
the table in terms of their own history
with regard to touch and boundaries. And
what I was thinking is important to
communicate is okay, we don't know what
happened in that situation, but what can
parents do? have conversations with
their children so that they can
effectively communicate about what's
going on with them if they feel
uncomfortable with physical touch or
someone sort of overstepping a boundary.
And for parents to be really open if
your child does come to you, listen, you
know, make them feel comfortable and
secure having the conversation and then
follow up and be relentless in following
up if you think that there's something
going on that isn't appropriate.
Okay. All right. You saw the first
video, right? Yes. Okay. So, now here's
the second video.
Can I get a copy of this? Sure. Yeah.
I'll forward it to you.
I spoke with Bory uh Bory Duch Dutch. I
don't know how to pronounce his last
name. the whistleblower on all this
originally. And he said at the end of
this video, it looks as though the uh
rabbi uh puts his hand down the boy's
pants.
That's what they That's what you say.
That's what Bory is saying.
You know, I looked at it. I mean, it
appears to be inappropriate closeness
certainly. U but you know, I don't see
him specifically touching the boy's
genitals or I don't see the boy touching
his genitals. um you know definitely is
questionable with the closeness.
So for whom did you get it? Do did they
tell you who it was? Uh yeah, it's
someone from within the acidic community
concerned a concerned member of the
community. U staff members reportedly
leaked it from inside the school and
they've reportedly been fired.
He gets closer to the boy. This one's a
threem minute video, so it's almost over
now.
Let me give some candy. And this is
where uh Borie says to look
Is this Mr. Felbomb you're talking
about? Right. Um Klein. No, I fel the
teacher who gave you the clip. Oh, I I
don't I can't release who specifically
gave me the the information. Mhm.
Did the DA look at it already? This one?
I don't know. I don't know if the other
one did they Yeah, they that one they
have. They did have Yeah. Well, that's
what's prompted the sex abuse
investigation. And did did they clear
him? Not yet. It's just under
investigation as of yesterday. How long
did they get the DA get? Who knows how
long how long it'll take them? They
reportedly got a complaint. I'd like to
do the interview over here. So, we're
not shooting. Sure. Is that possible? Do
you mind? Yeah, I could do it. Swap
sides. So, that's it now. And then the
boy leaves. Okay. Do me a favor. Yep.
You have WhatsApp? I do. I'll forward it
to you.
What can I, you know,
Um just as a a long time long a long
time member of the community which I was
u for many years I was a distant leader
in the community. Um just going to mic
you up real quick. Okay.
Do you have an inside pocket? Yes.
Thank you. So longtime leader and
activist. Yes.
So Joseph, what I'll ask for him, just
make sure we don't see that wire.
What I'll ask you uh first is if you
could just talk to us about the videos.
So if you can give us your thoughts, you
know, about the videos and then we'll go
from there. any concerns or you may have
Well, I I um I got concerned when I
found out there's a video and I was very
anxious to to find it and see it. So
as soon as as I was able to locate the
video and it I looked it up again and
again and again and I made many
inquiries into my mind
as experienced member of this community
for so many years
and uh as a a father of many kids and
grandkids and great grandkids
uh very
involved
and knowing
a lot of the members and knowing
specifically
that principle
that you were talking about. So I I went
through it with a fine tooth comb and I
looked through it again and again
after hearing all the reports
which the streets in the endo which goes
around and uh which I saw a lot of um
speculations
going around.
I came to the conclusion
not as Bor Deutsch
said or the other man who said it
because they are they are just for
revenge.
They are uh people who went off out of
the schools who went out of our
communities and in every opportunity
they have they're trying to to black our
eyes in the in the secular world.
And so I disregarded what I said. I did
hear what they said. I did exactly hear
and and look through every details of
the film and every details of the story.
Though the interaction between the rabbi
and the students is inapprop is
appropriate. Well um see see let me tell
you something.
When I grew up and my kids grew up, when
a kid was in a situation that's they had
they had um
done something bad. What used to be done
is they used to take us into the
principal and the principal took out a
good stick
and gave us a lesson that this will
never happen again.
And this was one of the lessons. Other
lesson was expelling the student for a
week, a few days, or having the per the
parents uh come down. What's a good
stick? A stick. They used to have a uh a
belt to to to like corpal punishment.
But you do understand that that's not
appropriate. But this has been done away
a long time ago. And they realized that
this
going in in in a in a positive manner is
is more effective effective. So you feel
going so what approach his teach so this
this this rabbi as I know for many years
that this school will not do harm to my
kids. Are you comfortable with his
interaction with the children you've
seen in the so now I want to come to
that particular point the particular
point which I have asked many around in
the school I contacted many teachers
in that school I counted many parents uh
many uh students who already graduated
and got married discussing this his kind
of behavior all explained to me that
this person is such a loving person that
instead of taking out the palatin,
beating up the child, he'd rather give
an extra kiss or an extra show of love
to feel that the kid that he's not there
to as an enemy of the kid. He is there
as a as a a uh a friendly
um
responsible
parents who want the kid to behave. What
about the child in the first video who
appears to be very uncomfortable being
in that close proximity and tries to
pull away multiple times? It's pos it's
probably true. It's probably true that
the kid has been uncomfortable,
but when the the teacher kids took out a
belt and beat him up, they're a lot
worse comfortable.
Was very uncomfortable. Of course, when
I take my kids and I take them to me and
I start to to give them a earful of what
they did, how bad they did, of course,
they're going to be uncomfortable
listening to that. This is not unusual.
And a kid is very uncomfortable
listening again and again tell them you
beat up that kid, you ruined the kid's
life and you ruined your parents. Your
parents is going to be sorry. Of course,
the kid is going to try to shy away
because it's uncomfortable. None of the
places that I saw that which in this
time of world it's very very obvious
when somebody is doing something bad
what their hands movements are and what
their body movements are. None of that
was in there. So you don't feel as
though sexually driven whatsoever.
Absolutely not. I feel that this person
deserves credit under his authority.
They don't beat up the kids anymore. It
used to be they used to beat up everyday
kids more again and again for everything
they did bad and that's how they tried
to threaten the kids. But by going in
that direction that this rabbi is doing,
we have a very good future that none of
the kids are going to be be um
traumatized from these beatings and this
abuse. Rather, the kids will always
remember that this teacher
loved him even though he did bad things
and he did it to him in a nice way after
explaining to them and warned him time
again for 10 minutes. Do you feel it's
inappropriate to have a child between
your legs
to be kissing them when they don't want
to be kissed?
The only the only time that I feel a
thing which is inappropriate is when you
do when you do something with that
closeness.
But if you do in the right thing the
closeness like you are talking into his
heart explaining to him the worst thing
which could happen to his family by his
behavior and showing him an affection
and showing him love by giving him I
don't know if I don't I don't know for
sure if he really kissed him or not but
even though if they would have kissed
him this is not an inappropriate thing
for a person who has a history and
People will witness all the kids who
grow up for there's thousands of kids
that graduated under him all will tell
you that this person is a loving person
and never ever that any of the thousands
of kids I was I am between the the
people I have a lot of WhatsApp groups I
have a lot of people involved I'm a very
social media type and we want to hear
both sides so it's you know if there are
people that feel as know that this the
question is if the question is if if the
media is trying to jump to conclusion by
listening to someone who was have an
agenda against us has a agenda against
the fac
and the other one. Do you do you have a
responsibility to place the stories on
both sides? Borid never was in this
community and never was in the village
of Kir and nothing to do with the
village of Kir. My kids will graduate
from this rabbi
and I have all my kids and my grandkids.
I have already 50 grandkids and I have
all the families which is surrounding to
the community and let me tell you
something. I'm not a f rabbi of this
rabbi. I fought against them in the
courts. I wanted a conviction against
this rabbi and I'm not a fant. But when
he's right, you have to give them the
credit.
here is 100% right. The teacher the
teachers 99% of the teachers admire this
dispensible. Of course, I could I could
tell you in my own feeling, in my own
investigations
that there was a rabbi who was troubled
and as in all the secular schools when
there's a teacher, the principal has a
problem with and the principal wants to
get rid of him, that teacher will have
an agenda against the principal to try
to tear him down whatever he could. Do
you feel as though he's being targeted?
I feel being targeted in Definitely he
is being this this person who put on
this video had an agenda. It didn't have
any interest for the children.
Absolutely not. Because if he would have
had it an agenda it wouldn't have an
agenda. The first thing if I would be in
his place I would go immediately to the
rabbi.
There is a responsible rabbi here.
responsible principles and principal um
uh alumi and responsible authorization
the community who who are worrying about
this things he would have had he would
have done I would have done that going
to those
responsible and showing this film look
as soon as I put a hands on such a films
I would immediately contact go over to
the rabbi
and go over to the head princ they're
claiming that they did go to within you
know the the secular community and that
they felt as though it was swept under
the rug within the religious community.
Well then because
number one I I the way I I understood it
the way I found out this is not true. I
did not go first to the rabbitical to
the religious community to alert them.
This is not true. I verify that this is
not true. Number two, if the religious
communities
understand
and they saw
which I believe I saw and they realized
and the history of this person of this
principle and by investigating their
side came out that this was nothing
wrong. He should have shut his mouth out
and say maybe I was wrong.
So again, you know this rabbi and you do
not feel as though there's anything
inappropriate in these videos. I know
this rabbi for 50 years.
I know him personally. I know his
parents as in-laws. I know his wife. I
know his kids.
I have kids who went to the school under
his authority.
There is no way in the world that this
person to be others than he is a
respectful person. Okay. Thank you. I'm
glad to be back with you. Thank you very
much. I'm just going to get one
rehearsal and then we're good. You don't
mind?
So, I mean it certainly is very
interesting, you know, and I'm glad that
we were at least able to, you know,
share that part of the story because I
mean it could be valid. We don't know.
We have to let authorities judge. Your
job is to air every side. That's right.
If you're adding every side, right, then
you're doing the right thing. Of course,
the only concern that anyone to talk
with us. So, it's it's wonderful. You
know, we wouldn't uh have that
opportunity to share this side if you
weren't willing to speak with us. Okay.
So, that's the reason that's the reason
I when you called me, I I changed my
mind and I said, "Yes, I will speak to
you." Great. I'm out of politics. I'm in
business
and I'm I'm I'm not in politics but I am
involved. I am involved. I have everyday
people coming to me for issues. I have a
committee which is committee for the
well-being of Kol. I don't know if you
remember that I went to the Supreme
Court. I gave to the Supreme Court and
the Mikkeis brief under my organization
and I'm involved every day with issues
which a lot of people having. Sure. And
have seeking out my advice and help but
I'm not going above the radar
over here. I figured
you called me. I did not call you. you
called me and I figured I'm going to
have to do it because people to be able
to have a right to know both sides of
the story. And I appreciate that you're
giving the opportunity for the people to
hear both sides rather than to smear
them up and just hearing from people who
who is trying to take the revenge course
of their own families and own community
which I grew up because they always
share any side of the story if someone's
willing to talk with me. Thank you so
much. Thank you.