Titanic: Part 11 - The 104th Floor of the World Trade Center & the Grandparents of Rav Yaakov Emden

this torah class is brought to you by torahanytime.com okay welcome everyone so once we change things up this week well we have this year on a thursday night instead of wednesday night so once we're at it we're going to change up the topic as well if you remember uh schwa's night we spoke about the titanic so here we spoke about it it was a two-hour subject actually on online we did 10 parts so far we did 10 parts on the titanic so this is going to be what's called titanic part 11. and even if you missed the first 10 parts it doesn't matter we'll fill you in what you need to know give you the executive summary coming up so we have over here a very unfortunate uh situation a famous chuva a famous uh shyla that was addressed to one of the poiske hadar and uh the god of adora of the sephardic world maran rabavadi yosef and uh this chuva appears in the tenth volume and the fact that it appears in the ten volume uh that shows that this is a question of avadya dealt with sort of at the end of his life you know at the uh one of the later chuvas that he wrote hashem we have a in our shul the full edition of the new uh ayah oimer i remember there was a time where i couldn't even get the ability was that a print i had a have a das i couldn't get the abiomer so now they have a beautiful new print of the abio and this shiloh was uh raised in kiss slave tough shin samakh bays 2002 2002 here's the question ravi says i was asked by the gohenim in arzor's habris if you weren't aware you live in arthur sabris that's america the iguna there's a woman neba who was uh chained down she's naguna why her name was dolphin sa'ada a sephardic woman and she appeared before the besden on a sunday daler and she told the following story her husband eliyahu ada he worked in the migdal hathum you know what that is yeah twin towers world trade center on floor 104 the northern tower he worked in a company called cantor fitzgerald i'm sure many are familiar with that so if cantor fitzgerald occupied floors 101 until 105. five floors right advanced mathematics 101 to 105. i asked a hundred people everybody says four floors but if you think about it very deeply you'll be mine you'll see it's five five floors okay now by the way anybody who showed up to work on that day and they had about 650 employer employees they're all missing by the end of the day nobody survived nobody made it through okay so it was on a tuesday i'm sure everybody here remembers where they were on that day i remember i was in yeshiva i was in shiva forest israel at the time it was a an older basement i remember it was a little bit after 8 30 and i remember everybody was talking about it to the point where at the yeshiva we were getting pieces of paper flying you know burned pieces of paper came to the shiva anyway it was tuesday 23rd day of ello september 11th 2001 and it would seem whoever was there perished in a terrible fire okay so here's the story there are a lot of variables you need to know about me tasty the guys there but you know you do did the guy really go to work do men really go to work when they tell their wives they're going to work you know some do and not everybody goes to work and even the people they say i'm going to work at nine o'clock there could be they don't really have a real job you know they start at at one o'clock in the afternoon leave two who knows if they really got there but here's the story story is that the husband wakes up the wife at 8 20. okay nice husband he lets the wife sleep until 8 20 he wakes her up at 8 20 and the first plane hits at 8 46. she hears it on the news immediately she calls her husband 8 46 there's no response there's no answer 8 52 he calls her back he said look you know we're evacuating the building i'm trying to get out of here and that was the last time he heard she heard from her husband now we have evidence we have a record of the phone call the uh company they called up verizon or if verizon what was it back then m what are the three letters m uh mci what is it no no this is 2001. yeah okay so they had a record of the phone call and the the record of the phone call matches up the woman's account in the best in other words what the women is telling us that the husband called at 8 20 and the husband called again 852 we have an exact record that in fact the husband called at those times fine so that's one proof the husband was there we have a record of the phone call that he called from his office another proof and that is we we uh searched and we got a hold of the fact that this guy received an email at 8 17. now we could tell on what type of computer you get an email from you know just because uh somebody said that the woman says uh just because there's a record that a guy got an email he could have got an email on his uh mobile device how do we know it's from his workf work computer no we have a record that the work computer got an email at 817 yeah but doesn't mean he's there we also have a record he responded at 8 21. now in my mind that's not aria brewer he was there at 846 but that means he made it to work that day he wasn't fooling around that day fine and we have a record it came from it was addressed to his work computer and response came from his work computer that's the first story now one major issue in saguna is if we're going to rely on evidence which is not a hundred percent we need to know that the shalom bias between the husband and wife was rock solid because if there's any suspicion that maybe they they weren't getting along then we could always uh there's always the possibility that whenever disaster comes the husband says well you know this is what i've been waiting for i always wanted the out and now that now that they think i'm dead he's going to run away and uh go off somewhere else so on ravager rights on a tuesday again about a year later 2002 the woman appeared again in besden together with her in-laws and everybody said they got along well they were shalombayas and uh everything was uh israel now why did the question come to ravager she was spartik and she was marked with that ravivadya handled the shaila now i read recently and i have no idea if it's true i cannot verify this that ravivadya through his career was mater nine thousand agunais and never did the husband come back that's a pretty good record you know that's getting you in the hall of fame you know nine thousand and oh that's pretty good i mean what are the endless got to do with it the at least the woman came the woman said you're right you know nobody knows you're right that's the truth nobody really knows but i mean she would know she says again she she look her shouldn't have namanas because she's trying to get married so she's going to want to say they had shell and bias but i mean this is you know who else would know it beats the alternative there's no there's no better aids right again this is just the suspicion so yes you don't need but we need to have some level of verification that you know things were somewhat bashal okay then um revivage got a hold of the architect of the world trade center and the architect said like this the plane hit which number floor 92nd floor supposedly 92nd floor so the architect said that that and it is impossible that anybody above the 92nd floor survived first of all the fire was one of the most powerful fires in the history of the world you know other than the atom bomb rebellion says this is one of the most nuclear fires that the world ever saw well yeah we'll see number two even without the fire said ravager probably no likelihood they didn't die from the fire the heat generated from that fire would have disintegrated anybody in the vicinity so sorry from the fire the heat of the fire would have killed anybody plus the smoke was so thick nobody could see nobody could feel their way around nobody could see how to get out and besides that says rav avadya the jolt of the plane and the vibrations and the impact every door was shaken so much that the lock and the hinges would not allow any door to be opened up and most people were not able to get out of any room that they uh happen to be in so um in fact there are many people called from the phone and they said we can't get out we can't get out so that's the shout out the shout out is can this woman get remarried again the evidence is there was a telephone call we know he was there at least we have some level of evidence that he was there in all likelihood he's above the 92nd floor he ain't getting out so let me just review for you the sugar that we learned to schwood's night we just reviewed in two minutes and this is really the foundation of hohos agona the gemara in yevam is ignorant says like this that if adam or even see somebody fall into mayam shayeshlohem finite waters and they see the guy fall in and a half hour passes he doesn't come out and if he would have come out the guy would see because he's able to monitor the entire coastline so even though mayor sheta is that she cannot remarry because the mayor is is uh concerned for the miraculous maybe who knows maybe there's an underground u-boat that took the guy and took him to uh to planet x and that's where he's hanging out but we possibly like the [Applause] if a guy falls into endless water the atlantic ocean pacific ocean a lake that you cannot physically monitor the entire coastline and you saw him fall in and you're watching and you didn't see him come up and nobody knows where he is the woman is never ever ever allowed to remarry why maybe an underground current took him to the other side maybe he fell into an air pocket maybe maybe maybe we passed in mayam shayne lohan she's not allowed to remember but what she's going to do what's he going to do the answer is a very unfortunate situation but the gemara is says a woman whose husband falls into naive shaynah himself she cannot remarry but if she does remarry the issue she does not have to get divorced what do we see from here that the reason why she's not to get married it's only a shash de rabanon if it would have been ashash dairysa then if she would have gotten remarried she would have had to get divorced the fact that is that if she gets remarried she doesn't have to get divorced that means it's only akshash durabana okay got that let me tell you over twice this and then we're ready to roll says the gemara maravashi that if the guy who drowned was a rabbi and he's a famous rabbi and everybody knows who he is then the woman could get married why because if he would have survived and he's now in the face you know he's in uh the fiji island somewhere he's in hawaii he's in alaska we would we would have heard about it because the husband's a famous guy so if she says if the husband is a famous guy then she's the latter we married remarriage presumably the logic is you have two rives river number one is most people who drown die and even if you're from the mia who when they drown doesn't die if you're still alive we would have heard about it and the fact that we didn't hear about it means the guy must be dead so rav ashi says you could rely on two rives and then the gemara says no we pass kin even surba mirabanon the woman can not remarry and toisus i think you have it on your sheet number seven asks why do we passkin that if the guy is a rabbi she cannot remarry must be says thai smiths it is so humber asia sisters is so humor that even when you have two raves you cannot rely on two raves even though most people who fall in endless water drown and most rabbis if they're still alive we would hear about it she still can't remarry says twice as araya from here that by aguna you cannot rely on two rives again you hear what the two rivers are river number one is most people who drown die river number two is most rabbis if they survive we'll hear about it there's no there are no like anonymous rabbis you know floating around and uh and who knows where south america if they somebody makes it out if he's a regular person and he's not a well-known person so maybe he's alive and we don't know about it but if he's a well-known personality and they survived we would have found out about it and yet toiso says she still can't get married is a raya by saguna you can't rely on two rivers and as we're going to see in the shear we don't ask in that way we pass in we do rely on two robes and that is the central yes that we do rely on to raise raguna this is the central lambdas of all sheila sagona aguna is probably the most vast subject in evan azar simon yozaian is endless simon udayan and evan ezra saguna is very very vast and the central issue really is taisus seems to say we don't rely on two rivers and yet all the paiskim are saying arrives okay so with that let's begin scissor of a vagina let's talk about the world trade center now world chance has nothing to do with water it's fire so what's the luck about fire so the money bombs look at number two the kumar says like this if you see a guy and he's walking down the street and there's a pit in the ground and there's a big fire and you saw him fall in and you don't see him come out you could go to his wife and say prince allah he's gone [Applause] he's gone and she could remarry and that's how he passed look number three not follow a lottery mary survivor says look the fire generating the world trade center there is never a fire of that magnitude in the history of the world possibly first of all he says you know the planes whoever as crazy as these terrorists were terrorists were the plan was so ingenious and so brilliant it's it's it's very difficult to understand how people could invest so much planning and so much preparation and such to carry out such a terrible uh plot there were 50 tons of fuel in the in the plane that's a hundred thousand pounds i feel and it hit it hit with you know tremendous speed very high impact says ravage was there ever a fire like this in history this is a classic case not followed forget the fire the avalanche the rubble the crash the collapse of the building did anyone ever survive a collapse of a building like that unfortunately people don't survive a collapse of a two or three story building to have a building 100 stories high collapse from the impact of a plane there's no way anybody survives such a thing says we pass again if someone falls into a furnace you could testify that they died now it's very interesting because twice this and yvonne is quotes you shall me the ishami says and the shamani argues on the halacha ishami says if you see a guy fall into a furnace you cannot testify that they died why maybe the iran shall made a miracle like michelle zarya now it's interesting that's what the ishami says then the usami says if you see somebody fall into a lions then you cannot testify that they died because maybe hashem made a miracle like he did for daniel now the babyliss says if you see someone fall into alliance then you cannot testify that they died if you see someone fall into a fire you could testify that they died so says the difference is like this alliance then the babli holds that it could be the lions weren't hungry you know it could be they just went out to carlson gabby's and they're pretty full and they took portions a couple of times and they they were good for the you know until the next meal so lions weren't hungry but the fire but the fires the gemara says you could testify that they died because the bhavali holds in mosquito and massanism you don't you don't have to imagine or suspect a miracle happened miracles happen but does not take it into account the xiaomi holds oh we're koshesh maybe a miracle happened but the babali and the paskin that if you see someone full into a kibshana you could testify that they died and therefore says that's why would the uh why would the twin towers not be a kibshana there's an interesting of the rajma the rajva says that when the gemara says if you see a guy fall into a a a furnace you could testify that they died that's only if the furnace is deep because the guy had no way to climb out but if you see you know a guy phone to a kasochama campfire you can't testify that they died unless you see them then why maybe they ran out says so you but you tell me the world trade center is that like a kimcha is in a pit or is that like a campfire it ain't no campfire there's nowhere to go you know whoever jumped out nobody nobody survived the uh the fall the impact i'm not familiar that they gave a blanket hector i know um we're going to hear we're going to hear some stories um not every heter aguna had a happy ending one of the one of the great poisoning of gunas after the holocaust was my grandfather in europe had smirk from absalom of david kahana the rav of warsaw he later became the ravi shalom he became the avi he was not there many many agonies but there had to be evidence not just a guy was in auschwitz people had to see them go into the crematorium to the gas chambers okay so this is repavio's argument says a very important idea and the idea is that what's the reason why that if a person falls into mayam sheila himself if she marries she could stay married it's a suffice whether husband's alive or not that she's married and if she'd go ahead and marry someone else she would have to get divorced why doesn't ish say that a woman who marries when the husband falls into like machine i'm saying why doesn't khazaka pass king she has to get divorced so so rav avadya says there's another kazakh that we have to deal with here and that is toisus brings down that against the khaskase ish is something called which means that the woman to get remarried even with one aid one witness now typically in davar shabbat ever pakistan you need to aid him when you're dealing with marriage laws but when it comes to a woman remarrying that an eid echoed could allow a woman to remarry because together with the eidos or the iraq you have a khazaka called khazako ishadaikum and meaning that since this woman knows that if the husband comes back she's in hot water so she's going to make sure that the either 78 is very rock solid and that strengthens the aedes of the aid and allows her to marry the so rewarding says that whenever you're dealing with an aguna there's a certain leniency that we're allowed to give her based on the fact that she's scared out of her mind just to remarry she knows that if the husband comes up it's going to be bad news that's called khazaka isha daika uminsama that a woman is going to check very well before she remarries so says in the case of the world trade center number one who ex nobody survives the explosion nobody survives the crash the avalanche the collapse of the building and the two of them together lahaira it's two rives says there are value there's another right we're dealing with here as soon as the plane hit so the government sent out made an official investigation official search and they they removed all the debris and they searched for every last body and if anybody would be alive we would have found them and if we didn't find them that means they uh they disintegrated they they disappeared from the heat from the fire in other words that's another road that we're dealing with that if the person's alive why didn't the search parties find them that's another issue says that we have to deal with why do we need more than one because for sure one river you can't rely on bayergo now as we see by mayam sheila himself that if somebody falls into endless waters now only emir survive uh somebody falls into atlantic ocean only immediate people would survive falling into atlantic ocean but even so the woman cannot remarry so you see that we don't we don't rely on roy's when it comes to oh so you want to know why is two rights better what would the london speak the longest would be yes two rivers would be sexy even more everybody because somebody would be in contact okay so that's also another good point we're gonna come to that because the chuma sadashi says with technology now seduction we're talking 800 years ago he says nowadays with the advances of technology you know who knows what they have 800 years ago the technology was they had a cup with a string at the end and they could go you know a few blocks down anybody know what you know that was the technology you had and the chuma sudden right that with technology that we have today everybody has a din of uh adam khashov and we would find out about anybody but again here's the problem the problem that we have to deal with is twice this says that by aguna we don't rely on two rights that even an adam hashem the wife cannot remarry despite the fact that most people fall in the water drown and despite the fact that most famous people we would find out about it isis says we don't rely on two rives however says almost all the play skim or many acharyans say you could be somehow by aguna let me tell you the story there's a chuva and i could not get a hold of the safer i don't know where the safer is it's not on hebrew books so usually people hear that they they get they get a crack in trying to find the same the name of the safer is kehilas yaakov of karlin okay so he tells the story like this he remembers he was a bakr in the house of mourinho this is number six about two-thirds of the way down in the house of moreno here's the story a guy fell off the bridge and he fell into the ice and uh from the ice he fell into the water and he's gone we have no idea where he is okay it could happen never guy was walking on the bridge he tripped he fell off the bridge onto the ice and from the ice he went down under and that was the end of him and the shadow was the woman came to brigham village can his wife uh can she remarry in rocha malaysia yes why two rives most people who fall from a bridge and hit the ice they die on impact and even those who don't die if they go under and they go into the water they don't survive says it is uh un-genuine that you could be soyment on two rivers when it comes to aguna it says number eight but what about this as we said taisu says that even sorba mirabanon is that rivashi wanted to say it's we would have heard about it and therefore the wife could remarry and the gemara concludes velohe even the wife of the suramar abundant cannot remarry and texas says because we're not soy mech on how do you reconcile the sack of malaysian with a toy system that says you can't be summoned on two rivers so this is the central issue of lambdas in saguna let me tell you a very interesting swara ravage doesn't quote it he quoted a certain safer and i went through at least that chuva he says a very interesting spiral listen to this one this is from the sephirah dvaram akhadem of royal clotskin he says a very interesting thing he says the fact that by a survivor you can't allow the wife to remarry doesn't that show we're not somebody on two rivers one river is most people drown well and otherwise most rabbis if they were alive we'll find out about it says class can uh go ahead kaswara he says no by a rabbi you don't have two rivers maybe most big rabbis if they're alive you would know about it but you don't have the right that most people who fall into the water drown why because if the guys in the real time in they'll have tremendous hussain they're trying most people who have tremendous husband don't drown so if you get a deal the gemara wanted to say that if it's a turmeric you have two rhymes because you have an additional arrival that if these are famous you would have heard about it but says rebellion why do we not hold like that sarah because that ruined the other river because if he's taken then he would have a lot of and it could be he wouldn't drown now it's not another roife it's a very interesting type of sarah but rabbi says i'm going to tell you alumdas and this is the alumnus of rabbits in a number like this it's not going to help us yet but listen to the safari we had it we're learning daffodil i think so yes you wanted to know what's two rives you know if arrived is ninety percent what's two roads ninety-five percent oh it's enough i mean a ninety percent ninety-five percent of the swara is that two rivers make sex faker most people who fell into the water they drowned and even if the guy didn't drown he probably died by now otherwise we would know where he is wait a second there's a law that the rama says by sex fake and your death kofiod that if you want to make a sex seika both fakers have to be simultaneous but if one safe comes now and then the second suffix is developed at a later time you don't say sex seika for example if you're music whether a piece of meat was shaked or not and then that meat later got mixed into nine other pieces of meat you can't take out one meat and say well uh mustama is a kosher meat because nine out of ten are kosher no you don't say sex faika on a sufficient in beguf and then a suffix but you know why because at the time you're misopic is this meat kosher trade kazakh skins that it's treif strafe mama then later when it falls into the taruba is it's a trade piece of meat it's only one rife it's only one suffix there are mapaskians number 10 that in the laws of sex veika you do not allow the use of a sex seiko if the saxeka develops at two different intervals by the same token says the reason why taissa says that by a tsuru mirabanon you cannot allow the woman to remarry is because the two rivers are happening at two different times the first drive is most people who fall into the water die oh but if the guy's still alive then by now a year later we would have heard about it yeah but that's something developed a year later you can't no but regarding the first suffolk we're ready paskin the guy's alive and she can't remarry how are you gonna so so yeah but if he's still alive then we would have heard about it that's only one right says ravage if you're gonna apply rabbits here it would kill the two roys by the world trade center also because even if one rove is the fire and the other river is the avalanche it's still not the exact same time so now the question is how do you how do you define what's the same time like how much how simultaneous does it have to be says simultaneous is simultaneous and based on the s he would say that you can't be somehow on the two rivers by the world trade center on the other hand rebellio classical argues on obitsu and he says that's not the reason real koskinen says the reason why toiso says that by suramar abandon you don't rely on two rivers is not because they're not simultaneous it's because at the time that we don't know what happened to uh the husband at that point in time excuse me seducing the rama who says we don't rely on on sex seika if it's not simultaneous that has nothing to do with uh two rives in the case of sex seika the kazakh already pascal on the first suffix before the second suffix ever came to be but in the case of the woman and her husband she's coming into front of beds and right now if she comes in front of doesn't a year later at this point in time the issue that we're dealing with is to fake ice and as far as we're concerned they're both happening right now let me tell you something else over here to explain um why toisis is not a contradiction to relying on two rivers by aguna listen very carefully and the truth is this is um this is an idea that the truma saddashan says and it's many many in fact himself says this far listen carefully says let's think about what taisus says taisu says that even at survivor miraban we can't allow the woman to remarry why because uh we don't rely on two rivers no no cesar business that's not why we can't allow the woman to remarry you know why we can't allow the woman to remarry because you have one rife that most people who drown die aye but you have another roy most rabbis if they're alive we would find out about it so what are you gonna do now imagine if you have two people on the boat one guy's a rabbi and one guy's a regular guy by the way i don't think it means a rabbi as opposed to it means a well-known person as opposed to you know it depends how okay so now what are you going to say the guy who's famous the wife could we marry and the guy who is sitting next to him on the boat he can't so you're making a laughing stock there's a cloud you can't have like these loopholes oh he knows a hundred blocks so his wife so he's dead he only knew 92 blood so he's alive you're going to be making nasa you're going to be making different set of halakhas for different people we don't like to do that there's a cloud called plug it's not the shot that toys just holds we don't rely on two rhymes how far do we rely on two rivers element why is truman different because you can't you have to say plug you can't say for him is not that tyson is not saying it's that you can't make along between different people but in the case of the world trade center you have two roys for anybody who was there there was a fire for everybody there's an avalanche for everybody so everybody could be stomach on two rivers he wasn't in the avalanche anyone who is under those circumstances they have a hectare of two rivers and then rabavady uses one of his famous tricks if you're familiar with avadya's swarm you get a lot of hanoi out of this listen to this first of all says ravivadya we don't hold like drama ramos says you don't use unless the two sphakes are simultaneous first of all the grass argues on the raman the grass says you could use sex veika even if the two psychos are one after another and the banish kai also brings rice that the machabor argues on the rama in general that you are saying to seikos even if they're not simultaneous and says the following trick do you remember back from yeshiva desh maitza everybody crack that open you know in their time man you learned the little schmidt suffolk the eraser fill in the blank suffix raisa okay that everybody knows suffice the result the din that if you're masupika anadaya raisa that you're mahme is that a dinda erasa or is that a dinderabanon then if you could throw another suffix into it then it becomes a suffix rabbanan and it's mother but taisus says you don't follow two rives that's because tyson sashita isa would say then if it's a suffix on tablet it's a sufficient arisa but we sparred him says rebellion he was passing the first tragic woman we saw them go like the rambam and by the way many she does the riff agrees sit around them and many ahrenim agreed to the of the rambam we who hold like the rambam we say suffolk the rabbiakavemden revenues and ibishits the planet yeshua their mask then if you have another sufficient okay here's another factor so this is what asi mentioned before that and this plays into the plug in the olden days only a few people were famous so if they would have died we'd have heard about that nowadays says the truman saddas and with modern technology of you know morse code and etc then anybody who dies we're going to find out about them and by the way for in his time already after the what was it the industrial revolution and many advances of technology probably even before the telephone the some surfaces in our times when we have tremendous technology like telegraph and mail it's amazing i get letters from turkey within a few days so if somebody has survived then they're on the other end of the world we're going to find out about them by the way and ramosha says you can imagine in 2000 and and what year are we in 2017 and remote she didn't say 2017 but ramos in our times where the advances of technology are so powerful says ramosha it could be that if somebody is alive and we don't know about it it's not a royal that they're dead it's a hundred percent that they're dead it's not even a roy for much it says so that's another factor that um revlon equation i now now here's where it gets fun okay i want to share with you a historical episode and ravage says but the truth is that not every heteroguna has a happy ending the mother of the hamswhee was given a heter and after she was given a heter her husband walked in on her in fact according to some versions the husband walked in on the khasana and i'm going to tell you the story let me tell you the story this is my pella and i want to thank my friend moshe morgenstern last night i had his hasana but so um he sent me uh a excerpt of the safe hamduza which i happened to get a hold of like two weeks ago and so he sent me a really fantastic story this is the there are two versions of the story there's one version version in the the sanser dynasty and this version is much juicier and much more interesting and much better i don't know if it ever happened but it's a great story then you have rabyakovemden's store uh version of the story they're not that different uh here's the story here's the the sanzer version was always very mahmir on agonize and the reason is because he was born from naguna that was given a an and it was given by the reber of hessel the rebel of heschel was one of the all-time greatest rabbinim in krakow we're talking about an early achron the river of hashem the author here's the story stories like this rabbiakavemden who's his father rabbiakiven then signs his name yavis yaakov father is with sri ashkenazi ashkenazi's father was rabyakavo ravyakovo was the son-in-law of the sharia frame so one day rabyakila marries the daughter of the sharia fraim and by the way you could imagine at rabyacula's vart raviacola said beautiful torah and then by the tanaam he said beautiful torah and then by the khasenster she said he knocked their sacks off you know he said incredible tire and rabiacolo used to learn every day in the basement with the guy ramoshala and ramosha was the son in law to his son-in-law of a very wealthy prestigious guy in the city and they're learning the grandfather of of yaakov and together with ramosa now in the good old days he had these marauding bandits and they basically came in and they picked up these two big tamiya they picked them up by the lapel and they said we're taking you hostage and they took them hostage and the way it would work is they would bring them out into the mid bar into the desert and they would sell them to nomads now the nomads all wore the same clothing let's say they were this black cape with a hood over it and this way nomads would always know i'm a nomad you're a nomad and their cat whoever they caught their mashar sim who are always hostages that they purchased they were makvid that the hostages continued to wear whatever clothing they used to wear this way if they would ever escape the nomads would know we are nomads and you're our servants and if you escape we kill you fine then the the servant the main job of a servant of these nomads the main job of the servants this is the sansa story so don't laugh the main job of the the main job of these servants was they were shepherds now there were no wolves and no wild animals in this desert it's well known there was not one wild animal that so therefore if the shepherd would not bring back a sheep and he would come back to the nomad the nomad would kill them okay now ramoshall was taken as a servant of one nomad we'll call the nomad you know the uh i don't know nomad number one and then numa number two took ramosa and they didn't know about each other's whereabouts and one day ramoshala is shepherding and rabyakallah is shepherding and they bump into each other and they embrace oh hashem were both alive and they said it's terrible here we can't wear talus we can't wear it's filling we don't know when shabbos is let's you know we have a few minutes together let's write a calendar and at least we'll know when yom kippur is and when uh when um all the other type of so they they took out a face a rock and they started making their calendar and in the meantime some of the sheep got lost they were not able to retrieve the sheep rabbiakola was not able to achieve the treat she rebi aquila knew that he's a dead man he comes back to the master and the master said you you know how dear are you i hire you to to shepherd the sheep and there was another nomad who wanted to have rahmanus on rabyakila he said no he's such a good looking guy you're going to kill him he's such a faithful shepherd he said yeah i'm going to kill him and another nomad then now one second backtrack when rabiacula found out that the sheep were missing he told ramoshala look they're going to kill me and i'm going to die i beg you i beg you i beg you after they kill me come back and bury me do me the the favor i want to have kubra so they're about to kill rabbi akula when nomad another nomad came along killed the nomad and arab yakub is free the problem is if he runs around wearing you know rabbana sagar they're going to kill him he's you know because they they would know who's a nomad and who's a servant he then removes his rabbana shagarb he puts the strawmel on the uh nomad he's now wearing the black cape and he runs for his life and wherever he goes he sees other nomads and they give him you know the nomad you know hello they they signal and he runs for his life to uh some some place meanwhile ramosha awaits the amount of time that he figures he must have killed her biakola he comes back and he and rubyaka says gartel and even the watch that you put on the pocket over there everything was mamish like rabiacola he had everything and he said never he picks her biacola up but it wasn't a reaction there was some bum dressed up like rabia aquila and he carries him to cluras israel he says i can't be matar you in the mikvah before i bury you and he buries him in the ground just then a graph comes back a account comes riding by he says marshall moshe i can't believe this is you you were sold over here get aboard and ramoshallah gets aboard the wagon and he thinks himself rabbi yakula and shamayim is being melets for him to try to escape to save him in this host that he just buried uh he gets out he comes back to the shiver of the shower frying he said i just want you to know i have uh good news you probably haven't known where we've been for last year i saw that raviacola was killed so they take it to the rav who was the river of hessel the river of hesho gave a hector for a for uh asias rabbi yakula to remarry asia's rabbi aquila finds a beautiful hassan meanwhile the real rabbi yakula he's making his way back and he says i need a ride to vilna i'm going to come to my wife so the guy says what's in vilna i can't even talk about it no problem i'm going there tomorrow there's a big hasuna tomorrow who's getting married who's getting married the shar frying's daughter is getting married it's going to be the biggest wedding ever even though it's the second wedding it's going to be a very big wedding he's like get me there now the minute in europe was that they would make before the khasna in a tish for the anem so biakola comes he looks like he hasn't you know washed or cared for himself in a very long time he looks like an aniva evian he sits down by the anitish and the shahraim comes and starts giving him some sponge cake and some cheap cheap alcohol and um and he said no no no because the bigger atomic home you were the better meal you got so fun he gives him those you know with the sweet and sour chicken from the hudson's fish over there and a little lo mein you know not from the schmorg and he gives it to him and he said no no no he said well you're a big tom mccorkam so he gives him a little bit better food gives him a little better food he said no you don't understand so the shadow from somebody what you're a god there yeah i'm gonna go over there he says he says so new zeal gibber say over some torah so he started saying over torah the torah that he said at his kabbalah's panam when he married the shafram's daughter like a year ago and now the shah frame says that he remember when his son-in-law set over the torah it became like world news nobody ever heard such an amazing car surprisingly the guy heard and was saying you know it didn't dawn on him this is the son-in-law and then he set over his offer of tyra and his tunam torah and the sha'a fran takes off his glasses and at the hasanah or at least as the story goes he then re he then he has a whole wedding set up for a woman he doesn't have to marry and from that union came the hamstring and from then on the reber of hessel was never matter and aguna again despite the fact that he was dealing in terrible times there were thousands of women who were agunas and needed hattaram the river of heshol could not bring himself to be marahatar because he made a mistake now ribyakivam then actually has a different version in certain ways the the details are very are are even more juicy in that none of the business that he said over the torah at the husson's dish and the sweet and sour chicken and that's not in it but what is in it is that they were adam as the nomad was about to kill robyakala at the last moment instead of taking the sharp edge he flipped around the sword and hit him in the blunt edge and raviacola fell down in a pile of bodies and there were adam there and two edem went to testify that they saw that he was killed and the rubber of hashem gave a heter i mean it wasn't even an aguna it was mamish to adam and from then on the rebel refession would not be mata asia's ish could be even with adas but be it as it may says you know you have to be very careful it says a story is a story but did you ever hear that any of the ahrenim said oh we don't we're not slimer on two robes anymore we're not saying anymore oh the remember of heschel he had a personal uh incident that he that he was uh saved by hashem at the last moment and therefore he stayed away but we don't find that any acronym say oh from now on we're not good as what everybody has to suffer that's the way the world works people make mistakes but it doesn't change says you could be somehow on two drives bottom line is um we'll uh make a long story short says rivavadya look at number 22. this is two rives the terrible fire plus the terrible collision and collapse of the building or he says if you want to call it it's a sex veika one suffix is probably the guy died in the fire and even if he didn't die in the fire they probably died in the collapse of the building and says avadya the sack of ravionis and ibishuts hopefully bezos hashem will be by the cover in the summer that sakura will be honest in ibishits is that we are mata in aguna one problem though who said the guy was in the building maybe the guy was in the bowling alley maybe he didn't go to work that day maybe he never went to work recognition of a telephone for a number of areas in halacha number one let's say you can't get a hold of the guy you can't bring the guy down to beds and the guy calls up says i want you to give my wife forget who who says it's ruvain maybe it's reuven's imposter maybe it's moose says it's lazy maybe it's levy's impastor maybe it's uh somebody else the answer is if you need to get a get at a guy and otherwise the woman is stuck you could be somehow in voice recognition of a telephone ah yeah but there's all kind of technology people can mimic the voice as long as there's no um stira to the indication we pass unique on voice recognition and as well as for aguna if we have voice recognition that the husband was in the building nebach and and we need to use that to be matter this woman to remarry says you could be saying this and this is the final sacrament that she he allowed this woman dolphin um sada to remarry dolphin sada to remarry based on the two rivers of the fire and the collapse of the building and despite the fact that there is this story of the ancestors of rabbi akovenden nevertheless you know the authorized to give their best judgment and if they feel that it's it's not likely i don't mean unlikely but it's highly improbable it's impossible come out impossible that the husband is alive they could be sonic on two rivers or two fake eyes even though they're not simultaneous in order to matter the woman and uh this is the suggy of shayla himself so we shall be zoha only to be his toy voice and never need to come on to these and it should always uh it should only be here you've just experienced another torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com