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Tisha B'Av : Why Is There No Kinnus For The Chelminetzky Pogroms
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okay okay good morning
here we are
so i want to speak uh in our first year
about
more of a long distance regarding
kenneth
want to iron out an issue that is very
well known but i think is somewhat and
to some degree
misunderstood
there's sanhedrin on the pasta
she cries bitterly at night why at night
why not during the day you could cry
anytime what does it mean she cries
bitterly at night
says the gemara caller
when you hear crying at night
you cry along with it there's something
about the night time that just
irresistible that when you hear crying
it just softens the heart and you cry
with it
there was a woman
the neighbor
of ram gamliel shame
her son died
and she was crying for him
had a neighbor
her son died and she was crying at night
by the way
do you know the neighbor of ram gamlio
well you should
because everybody has a neighbor like
this that's crying about something at
night
and you should be aware of it
and if you don't know
you should you should know
well anyway shama ram gamlio rangam lil
heard kyla her voice connect then he
cried along with her
ad sha not sure enough
till his eyelashes fell out
very interesting
had a neighbor
and she would cry at night
and he would cry along with her and if
you look in the gemara there
he wasn't just crying he was crying over
the corbin basa miktas
how strange
by the way the yakut shamani also
anyone who cries at night their voice is
heard
about
well
if you look in the gemara there
the gemara implies that ram gamlio would
cry over the corbin samiktas
and somehow the crying of this woman
caused ram gamlio to cry over the basal
mikdash
and the question
that is raised by the tells of rosh
yeshiva or gifter
is me
wasn't gamaliel sad about the quran
or was he not said about the quran
if he was sad then why would he need
this woman to cry
for him to cry over the vasa mikdash and
if he wasn't sad what did this woman
crying over her son how did that cause
him to cry over of the corbett he's not
crying about the same thing she's crying
about she's crying about the her
personal tragedy he's crying about the
hormone is he sad or is he not sad if
he's sad about the vasana mikdash then
he should cry every night and if he's
not sad about the base of mikdash why
would he cry tonight
that's the kasha
and from here we derive the following
principle
and that is
that all tragedy can be traced back to
khurban bay samitas
all personal tragedy
all
tragedy
that people have
in their
personal lives in their family lives
emotional
distress
financial constraints all difficulty
could ultimately be traced back to the
fact
that the bank sham is being master panda
bimena the
is sort of the hester upon him he's not
he's not close with us the way he once
was because
the concept is
that based on mikdash equals
shrina
and shrina equals
and when there's no basal mikdash that's
synonymous with klala
and all
difficulty in life could be traced back
to the quran
so
the woman cry about her personal tragedy
he understood that ultimately ultimately
it could be traced back you know why
this poor woman
lost her child
because we don't have the same level of
protest that we once had we don't have
the same connection with the russians
that we once had and room gamaliel cried
because he understood that you could
trace her personal tragedy back to the
corbin bay san mateos
this is a very important site of tishaw
this is one of the main principles of
the kinis
how do i know that
very simple
now i know that now let me ask you a
question
why in the world are we saying kenneth
for the crusades on tish above
they got nothing to do with tisha bob
they happened in the year tottenham
1096. they didn't even happen on tishima
what do they got to do with the khorman
why do we say kenneth for the asaruge
malchus
why do we say kenos shali sufivaish
for the burning of the shas what's that
got to do with tish above
nothing to do with the khorben
so obviously the message is
that all jewish tragedy could be traced
back to foreign
why are we saying tr why are we saying
kenneth about holocaust on tisha what
the answer is all tragedy
stems back to hester panem and we're why
is there hester upon him because we live
in a world without the bastard mikdash
that's the you start over gifter which
we are going to
very much modify the tragedies
they got nothing to do with the corbin
they got nothing to do with that they're
just side tragedies if you look we have
over here are the safer
used to say
that the belt makes a mistake
most people
i ask let's ask ourselves which brachas
do we have the most kavanaugh for
the first three brothers
they want good health and they want
money right
it's not
you tell me
which cavanaugh do you have the most
most people refaenu and amber coleno
and les cavanaugh by takabusha forgot
all less kavanaugh from brushly
less kavanaugh
but it's a big mistake
because if we would have a basal make
dash we wouldn't have to dive in for the
other things because we wouldn't have
any of the other tsaris and with this
rav gifter would explain the gemara in
sanhedrin and the alka chimani that why
would this woman's crying make ram
gamlial cry
and the answer is because
understood that personal tragedy and
all difficulties and all
challenges in life all stem from ghorben
besan mikdash again like we mentioned
this is a concept which is very evident
from the kinis so for example look at
number four
and number four this is kenneth
if only my head would be water and my
eyes a source of flowing
flowing tears the efka called yamasai
valley i would cry all day and all night
as khalil tapaev
for the slain of my children
and the elders of my kihila
look in the next paragraph
this paragraph is a key paragraph
because after the showa after the
holocaust the issue came up the issue
arose should a separate day of
commemoration be instituted
in the commemoration of the holocaust
and this was brought up to many gaduilam
the briskarov masha feinstein
and they all said the following
no
why
they said we have to look at the words
of this kinase
the words of the kinis are like this
this is going on the tragedy of the
crusades you should know
you had rashi you had the bali toisis
why is there no calendar day to remember
the tens the hundreds of thousands of
jews massacred in 1096
why didn't they make a date
why didn't they make a date during the
yamasevira a fast day to commemorate
those who slain
so the the kinna
answers that question
marla
their murder is worthy and equal to
mourn and to roll and dust kiss ray
fastback
just like the burning of the temple in
other words we are not under playing the
reason why we don't mourn for the
tragedy of the crusades is not because
we don't value it no says the koine the
tragedy of the crusades is equal to the
vasa mikdash so why don't we have a
separatish above
the
shepherd
we are not authorized to add
holiday appointed time for brit for a
breaking and for tragedy
we can't make it early
we can only put it on the date of tishma
takas came therefore
live
so moisture said briskarov said
the kinna is addressing this question
why didn't rashi why didn't the bali
taisus make a separate day of mourning
for the crusades the answer is we are
not authorized to
we could only do it on tishabeth
and the question is why
why are we not authorized to
the bug represents a single day
all those other tragedies were not
specifically one day
how would you choose which day to pick
it would be arbitrary
okay
that might be another problem with it
but here the keynote is expressing the
idea that ultimately we need to
recognize
that whether it's crusades whether it's
holocaust they all stem from
corbin
we had thomas ester that was established
after the hormone tiny ester is not a
tennis of tragedy tennis esther is the
titus
tragedy was prevented they were no time
assessor was because they went to
destroy amma lake and whenever they
fought on well whenever they would fight
a war they would fast
it's not a tinus and also you had
ancient sagdola you had men with rakha
kodesh
well what was the purpose of mcgill
those times
magilla's tightness
were
minor and major minor festivals no they
were holidays
so i want to read to you
um
so you say did everybody feel that i
want to read to you what rabbi sullivan
writes about this
and then he has an amazing question
and i would like to offer an answer okay
now i really did not do this on purpose
okay you gotta have to take my word for
this
the author of this kinna is the famous
kalonamus ben yehuda a member of an
italian family of titanium i really did
not know i was doing that
for that you gotta take me at face value
he settled in germany
rashi mentions the rabbi kalinamus and
the author of this kinna was a
descendant of that rabbi kalinamus
it is interesting
that a fast day was instituted on the
twentieth day of sivan
by rabbenut
to commemorate an attack against the
jews unrelated to the crusades
centuries later when the khalmanitsky
pogroms occurred in 1648 the twentieth
day of sivan was proclaimed to be a fast
day for both the persecutions against
the german jews
and the khameninski persecutions
there are slichos penitential prayers
composed for that day
notwithstanding the tradition of
observing the 20 day of sivan this
kennel declares that tishb is the
exclusive fast day that commemorates all
the tragedies that befell the jewish
people
and that no other fast day should be
instituted for this purpose
now he doesn't ask the question
but he is asking a question what's the
question
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if we're not allowed to add fast days
then how were they able to
fast on the 20th day of season by the
way twenty day of sivan is brought down
and the noise said caleb
that the 20th day of sivan is a fast day
for the kaminsky pogrom so wait a second
so then then why can't we do that for
the holocaust
and
that question he doesn't ask he sets us
up for but he doesn't ask it but he does
ask the following question this is an
amazing question
i do not know why there are no kindest
recited on tishamav which commemorate
kaminsky persecutions
the kingdom that were composed to
commemorate the communists now we do say
sanchez there are feel i said
and we say it on huff sivan and we don't
say it on tishbo the kidness that were
composed to commemorate the kaminsky
persecutions and which are we sat on
tony of sivan are not said on tisha
so this is a brisker kasha on this
guinness
what's the kasha
here we talk about asara malfoy's we
talk about crusades we talk about the
burning of the talmud
now holocaust
he wouldn't ask that because i am
certain revere salvation did not say the
guinness for the holocaust
i'm not a student of his but from what i
know it probably went against every
single thing he believed in
furry because he was a very big big
believer we don't add any feliz and we
once gave a share on that
but his question is why would we not say
guinness for khamenei programs
good kasha right what about the whole
idea that we have actually
established evan has a special day
okay so that i said is the question
he doesn't ask
he sets us up for it right he like how
could once he says it how can you not
ask a good question also
in other words
he doesn't ask it but we could ask right
what what uh huffs evan i thought the
kennel says we can't add any days the
kenneth says
how could they add
and the second question is what
second question is a question he does
ask is why don't we say kenneth for the
kaminsky pagrams
that question made me think of another
question
and this is a question that i'm going to
speak about on tishabhav i'll just throw
out the question to you
let you think about it
this this i feel is a very good question
tisha we cry about asura malchus it
didn't even happen on tishima
we cry about the crusades didn't even
happen on teshaba
we cry about the holocaust didn't happen
on tisha
there was such a glaring omission on
tisha i can't even believe it i ca
there is one of the most major tragedies
that ever happened in our history
happened on tisha buff and we don't say
a word about it
spanish inquisition
not a word on tisha what
happened you ever think about that
question
i think it's a very good question and
this
salvation's question made me think of it
and i think i have a good answer but i
don't want to ruin it participate
suggests something and is it possible
the spanish inquisition although it was
a tragedy in his eyes
because the jews were thrown out of
spain wasn't there but torah that might
not have occurred otherwise in the long
run
because of that inquisition look spanish
inquisition otto defey 30 000 jews were
burnt
300 000 jews were expelled
something to think about
yeah but
the holocaust
with 6 million jews
was in the long run but much more
i'm not saying not to say about the
holocaust but you do say asara
you do say crusades
you know a spanish religion was it was a
the vibrance was the worst thing that
ever happened to jewish people since the
quran bias
saying spain was the epicenter of torah
jewry
in the 15th century in the 13th century
all the goddess lived there
and it happened not tisha buffa you know
to top it off it happened on tishombo
also can we give it could could could
someone write one candle please you know
they're not that long just one can
actually give to inquisition world war
one broke out on tissue
yes
the inquisition
started on tissue above the date the
expulsion the explosion the exposure
not the inquisition the expulsion
so an expulsion is not
the same well you know whoever wasn't
expelled who got killed was forced to
convert either convert
or die well the jews would spout above
it two years before
that's the corbin right that was part of
this gear right
two years before
but that was the result of the
destruction of the basa sahmitas so you
could say that comes under the category
of even in itself you have some
practicum for the horben some problem
for the the leaving of artistra para k
is the leaving of arts israel
okay
i don't know that we're ignoring
okay this is a question to think of but
but here's the idea that we're saying is
that all tragedy traces back to corbin
look in the gemara and saita the
government says
yeshua mayor
the day the temple is destroyed we don't
have a day that there's no curse
yeah i think elsewhere
in yamcha
um
so everybody said we have two questions
on our hands the one one question the
one there of salvation doesn't ask and
the one that he does ask the one he
doesn't ask is how could we establish
evan the one he does ask is why are
there no kinos for the kaminsky pogroms
so well what i would like to share with
you
is a chuva from maisha
where he answers the question
that rabbi
does not ask
and we're going to use it to answer the
question
that rav salvatrik does ask
they asked ramosha
why weren't the gadolin why didn't they
not establish
a day of memorial for the showa so you
say they did
so one thing we learned here is no it
wasn't them it wasn't the godzilla who
established that day
it was not an authorized uh
it was not endorsed by the the torah
leaders
right the chuvas on vitamin
why didn't they make a day
um
you see how ramosha calls it
hitler and his friends
not the nazis the nazis is a liberal
invention why
because there were a few bad guys they
were bad people called nazis but avado
the germans were all good people the
german nation in general they're all
good it was the nazis no make sure you
don't say that it was germany it was
poland
it was france
and america knew about it
anyway
shouldn't there be a day
the reason why there is no
day designated for crusades shahoo you
have zeros
europe
that were throughout europe
most jews lived there at the time
we can't add days shall kane start last
gear on the kingdom of the israelites
just we include them in the kenneth
by the way it's interesting
uh celebration and his kenneth i don't
believe he said the holocaust ones
no
i think he was morally opposed to it
but
in throughout the kinos
wherever there was a recurring tragedy
that let's say something happened by the
corbin that also happened times the
holocaust he would point it out in other
words to make the point that whatever
you know in in
error history repeats itself
okay so far so good you ready here's the
whopper
this is an amazing pradosh ready for
this
but what happened to hapswivan why do we
have a fast day on khafshivan
i'm going to tell you outside and then
we'll be inside
cesaro moshe this idea
that everything is traced back to the
hormone
yeah maybe
maybe very nebulously
if somebody hashem is ill it's because
there's hester upon him it's because
there's no base hamikdash
but
that's not a reason to include something
in tish above
to include a tragedy in tishomov it has
to be directly connected
to the corbin
what kind of tragedy is directly
connected to the carbon
who caused the corbin who destroyed the
second mesa
the romans
the western world the christian world
they were the predecessors of
christianity but
rome
any time there's a tragedy
that is perpetrated by the prevailing
empire
of the gullis that we're in that is
directly connected to the corbin that's
why we could say kenneth for the
crusades that's why we could say kenneth
for the burning of the shas because it
was done by the christians that's why we
could say maybe kenneth's for the
holocaust
but the kalmanitsky pogroms says a musha
they weren't perpetrated by the reigning
empire
they were done by a bunch of rebels
kaminitsky was the chief
kazakh
they were rebels they were rebelling
against the government
there's nothing to do with the corbin
corbin is only when you could connect it
to the power of the roman empire
when you could connect it to the power
of the golis that we're in but when it's
rebels rebelling against the government
there's nothing to do with the corbin
that's the cesar maisha
that's why khaf sivan
you know why we can have a separate day
for the khamenski pagrams because it
doesn't trace back to tishbob
because the khamenetsky program was not
perpetrated by the government it was
perpetrated by the anti-government
mamela you have a tishbo and you have a
cup sivan
but hitler
hitler was a the rebel he was a no
against the original german government
he was voted in the government because
he was a rebel no he was voted in by the
jews we voted for him
he was elected he is the presiding
leader of the empire of golis mama
that's connected to tisha but
kamanitsuki pogrom got nothing to do
with tisha and therefore they were
rebelling against the government
therefore you could have a khop sivan
so i just want to point out that based
on ramosa we have a very clear answer to
a reverse salvation question
no
the inquisition was christian and
christianity i'm not answering
inquisitive inquisition you have to come
to the school on anticipate to hear the
answer
but nine o'clock
it's the corner of branch and peninsula
that chakras is nine o'clock and then we
have guinness 9 45 and you'll hear the
answer to that question
review
i believe according to our moisture we
have a very clear answer ravoish is
explaining why you could have a cup
sivan even though we have a tissue off
that's because kaminsky has nothing to
do with tisha this would be an answer
why there are no kidness for kaminsky
pogroms
because it's got nothing to do with
tishima why would you say anything about
khamenitsuki on tishiba
yeah asara malcolm's killed by the
romans crusades the romans holocaust
western world
hitler had an alliance with the pope
right
what about all the arab countries and
muslims oh maybe that is why we don't
say anything of ancientists about
anything that happened
i always thought why don't we say
anything to
all the uh tragedies that the arabs
inflicted on us all the years
so i always thought look at us we
weren't suffering under them we were
suffering under what happened in europe
maybe this fire them do no according to
this
so it's not a day to commemorate at you
know arab tragedy
that has they have nothing to do with
the corbin
they're just bad they were always bad
they were parallel dumb and they were
and they're still paralleled them
they're not going to do the
this has nothing to do with the fact
that we still fast on the 20th day of
sivan for the kaminitsuki pogroms the
head of the the chief kazakh shannaragu
ukraine
mu poland who
they killed in the ukraine empire poland
shekaubulusham yoim tainus amir sriva
it's not similar to the hormone it was
very specific to that region it wasn't
to all of israel
el iraq bachelek medina is only to the
ukraine and part of poland
was always telling us
this is not really so connected to what
was in golis
during the
1648-1649
if the government was strong enough they
would have protected us but the
kaminicki was a rebel
we only say we only commemorate on tisha
those tragedies that are befalling us
for the same sins that cause the corbin
so if it's a matter of the prevailing
government that means we shall put us in
galas we're at we're on we're at the
whim
a day for the holocaust
is not authorized
alex zero is to hitler
because hitler's we're on all of
claudius
say
what are you talking about yeah
first of all
hitler was was
inches away from
from blitzing right through israel
don't say it was only on the jews of
europe hitler was at the the sinai
yeah
and what you say what about the jews of
america
hitler felt the jews of america they
would destroy themselves they would
enter marry and he had submarines off
the east coast
alexander
hitler first of all
wiped out the main the main uh locations
where khalifa lived
versus
his plan was to destroy the whole world
that's xero on all of claudia's trial
that's the xera that's connected to the
khorben and therefore we don't make a
separate day of tightness and
like we find in the guinness so this is
a very interesting split between
khabsevan and the holocaust
what why don't we observe
we're very weak darts it's not easy
what
that's right who established this table
to remember
it's me the reign of him
i don't know maybe some rabbit no i
don't
know what do you mean establish not an
establishment it's not a cuvious girl
look it's a big tragedy how could
something that happened it's something
that needs to be remembered and
people want to make it more personal
than to let it be swallowed up in tish
above so that's the debate but to be
koiveia we don't have the we don't have
the authority to do that
one of the reasons is like mentioned in
kinase
because we we we connected to tishbo but
the big question is but look we have
precedent to make days we have hap sivan
so that's where ramosha distinguishes
between
those tragedies that are traced back so
bottom line is like this yes there is
definitely an idea that if a person has
any difficulty to some extent yes to
some extent it's all traceable back to
tish above but halachically speaking in
terms of what kinus we say on tishimov
according to our emotion we only say
those kidneys which are directly
connected to gourmet salmiktas other
side kinase and that really makes the
question stronger because the spanish
inquisition was directly connected to
the newly embraced christianity
so stay tuned for the answer to that
question
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