Tisha B'Av : Why Is There No Kinnus For The Chelminetzky Pogroms

this torah class is brought to you by torahanytime.com okay okay good morning here we are so i want to speak uh in our first year about more of a long distance regarding kenneth want to iron out an issue that is very well known but i think is somewhat and to some degree misunderstood there's sanhedrin on the pasta she cries bitterly at night why at night why not during the day you could cry anytime what does it mean she cries bitterly at night says the gemara caller when you hear crying at night you cry along with it there's something about the night time that just irresistible that when you hear crying it just softens the heart and you cry with it there was a woman the neighbor of ram gamliel shame her son died and she was crying for him had a neighbor her son died and she was crying at night by the way do you know the neighbor of ram gamlio well you should because everybody has a neighbor like this that's crying about something at night and you should be aware of it and if you don't know you should you should know well anyway shama ram gamlio rangam lil heard kyla her voice connect then he cried along with her ad sha not sure enough till his eyelashes fell out very interesting had a neighbor and she would cry at night and he would cry along with her and if you look in the gemara there he wasn't just crying he was crying over the corbin basa miktas how strange by the way the yakut shamani also anyone who cries at night their voice is heard about well if you look in the gemara there the gemara implies that ram gamlio would cry over the corbin samiktas and somehow the crying of this woman caused ram gamlio to cry over the basal mikdash and the question that is raised by the tells of rosh yeshiva or gifter is me wasn't gamaliel sad about the quran or was he not said about the quran if he was sad then why would he need this woman to cry for him to cry over the vasa mikdash and if he wasn't sad what did this woman crying over her son how did that cause him to cry over of the corbett he's not crying about the same thing she's crying about she's crying about the her personal tragedy he's crying about the hormone is he sad or is he not sad if he's sad about the vasana mikdash then he should cry every night and if he's not sad about the base of mikdash why would he cry tonight that's the kasha and from here we derive the following principle and that is that all tragedy can be traced back to khurban bay samitas all personal tragedy all tragedy that people have in their personal lives in their family lives emotional distress financial constraints all difficulty could ultimately be traced back to the fact that the bank sham is being master panda bimena the is sort of the hester upon him he's not he's not close with us the way he once was because the concept is that based on mikdash equals shrina and shrina equals and when there's no basal mikdash that's synonymous with klala and all difficulty in life could be traced back to the quran so the woman cry about her personal tragedy he understood that ultimately ultimately it could be traced back you know why this poor woman lost her child because we don't have the same level of protest that we once had we don't have the same connection with the russians that we once had and room gamaliel cried because he understood that you could trace her personal tragedy back to the corbin bay san mateos this is a very important site of tishaw this is one of the main principles of the kinis how do i know that very simple now i know that now let me ask you a question why in the world are we saying kenneth for the crusades on tish above they got nothing to do with tisha bob they happened in the year tottenham 1096. they didn't even happen on tishima what do they got to do with the khorman why do we say kenneth for the asaruge malchus why do we say kenos shali sufivaish for the burning of the shas what's that got to do with tish above nothing to do with the khorben so obviously the message is that all jewish tragedy could be traced back to foreign why are we saying tr why are we saying kenneth about holocaust on tisha what the answer is all tragedy stems back to hester panem and we're why is there hester upon him because we live in a world without the bastard mikdash that's the you start over gifter which we are going to very much modify the tragedies they got nothing to do with the corbin they got nothing to do with that they're just side tragedies if you look we have over here are the safer used to say that the belt makes a mistake most people i ask let's ask ourselves which brachas do we have the most kavanaugh for the first three brothers they want good health and they want money right it's not you tell me which cavanaugh do you have the most most people refaenu and amber coleno and les cavanaugh by takabusha forgot all less kavanaugh from brushly less kavanaugh but it's a big mistake because if we would have a basal make dash we wouldn't have to dive in for the other things because we wouldn't have any of the other tsaris and with this rav gifter would explain the gemara in sanhedrin and the alka chimani that why would this woman's crying make ram gamlial cry and the answer is because understood that personal tragedy and all difficulties and all challenges in life all stem from ghorben besan mikdash again like we mentioned this is a concept which is very evident from the kinis so for example look at number four and number four this is kenneth if only my head would be water and my eyes a source of flowing flowing tears the efka called yamasai valley i would cry all day and all night as khalil tapaev for the slain of my children and the elders of my kihila look in the next paragraph this paragraph is a key paragraph because after the showa after the holocaust the issue came up the issue arose should a separate day of commemoration be instituted in the commemoration of the holocaust and this was brought up to many gaduilam the briskarov masha feinstein and they all said the following no why they said we have to look at the words of this kinase the words of the kinis are like this this is going on the tragedy of the crusades you should know you had rashi you had the bali toisis why is there no calendar day to remember the tens the hundreds of thousands of jews massacred in 1096 why didn't they make a date why didn't they make a date during the yamasevira a fast day to commemorate those who slain so the the kinna answers that question marla their murder is worthy and equal to mourn and to roll and dust kiss ray fastback just like the burning of the temple in other words we are not under playing the reason why we don't mourn for the tragedy of the crusades is not because we don't value it no says the koine the tragedy of the crusades is equal to the vasa mikdash so why don't we have a separatish above the shepherd we are not authorized to add holiday appointed time for brit for a breaking and for tragedy we can't make it early we can only put it on the date of tishma takas came therefore live so moisture said briskarov said the kinna is addressing this question why didn't rashi why didn't the bali taisus make a separate day of mourning for the crusades the answer is we are not authorized to we could only do it on tishabeth and the question is why why are we not authorized to the bug represents a single day all those other tragedies were not specifically one day how would you choose which day to pick it would be arbitrary okay that might be another problem with it but here the keynote is expressing the idea that ultimately we need to recognize that whether it's crusades whether it's holocaust they all stem from corbin we had thomas ester that was established after the hormone tiny ester is not a tennis of tragedy tennis esther is the titus tragedy was prevented they were no time assessor was because they went to destroy amma lake and whenever they fought on well whenever they would fight a war they would fast it's not a tinus and also you had ancient sagdola you had men with rakha kodesh well what was the purpose of mcgill those times magilla's tightness were minor and major minor festivals no they were holidays so i want to read to you um so you say did everybody feel that i want to read to you what rabbi sullivan writes about this and then he has an amazing question and i would like to offer an answer okay now i really did not do this on purpose okay you gotta have to take my word for this the author of this kinna is the famous kalonamus ben yehuda a member of an italian family of titanium i really did not know i was doing that for that you gotta take me at face value he settled in germany rashi mentions the rabbi kalinamus and the author of this kinna was a descendant of that rabbi kalinamus it is interesting that a fast day was instituted on the twentieth day of sivan by rabbenut to commemorate an attack against the jews unrelated to the crusades centuries later when the khalmanitsky pogroms occurred in 1648 the twentieth day of sivan was proclaimed to be a fast day for both the persecutions against the german jews and the khameninski persecutions there are slichos penitential prayers composed for that day notwithstanding the tradition of observing the 20 day of sivan this kennel declares that tishb is the exclusive fast day that commemorates all the tragedies that befell the jewish people and that no other fast day should be instituted for this purpose now he doesn't ask the question but he is asking a question what's the question [Music] if we're not allowed to add fast days then how were they able to fast on the 20th day of season by the way twenty day of sivan is brought down and the noise said caleb that the 20th day of sivan is a fast day for the kaminsky pogrom so wait a second so then then why can't we do that for the holocaust and that question he doesn't ask he sets us up for but he doesn't ask it but he does ask the following question this is an amazing question i do not know why there are no kindest recited on tishamav which commemorate kaminsky persecutions the kingdom that were composed to commemorate the communists now we do say sanchez there are feel i said and we say it on huff sivan and we don't say it on tishbo the kidness that were composed to commemorate the kaminsky persecutions and which are we sat on tony of sivan are not said on tisha so this is a brisker kasha on this guinness what's the kasha here we talk about asara malfoy's we talk about crusades we talk about the burning of the talmud now holocaust he wouldn't ask that because i am certain revere salvation did not say the guinness for the holocaust i'm not a student of his but from what i know it probably went against every single thing he believed in furry because he was a very big big believer we don't add any feliz and we once gave a share on that but his question is why would we not say guinness for khamenei programs good kasha right what about the whole idea that we have actually established evan has a special day okay so that i said is the question he doesn't ask he sets us up for it right he like how could once he says it how can you not ask a good question also in other words he doesn't ask it but we could ask right what what uh huffs evan i thought the kennel says we can't add any days the kenneth says how could they add and the second question is what second question is a question he does ask is why don't we say kenneth for the kaminsky pagrams that question made me think of another question and this is a question that i'm going to speak about on tishabhav i'll just throw out the question to you let you think about it this this i feel is a very good question tisha we cry about asura malchus it didn't even happen on tishima we cry about the crusades didn't even happen on teshaba we cry about the holocaust didn't happen on tisha there was such a glaring omission on tisha i can't even believe it i ca there is one of the most major tragedies that ever happened in our history happened on tisha buff and we don't say a word about it spanish inquisition not a word on tisha what happened you ever think about that question i think it's a very good question and this salvation's question made me think of it and i think i have a good answer but i don't want to ruin it participate suggests something and is it possible the spanish inquisition although it was a tragedy in his eyes because the jews were thrown out of spain wasn't there but torah that might not have occurred otherwise in the long run because of that inquisition look spanish inquisition otto defey 30 000 jews were burnt 300 000 jews were expelled something to think about yeah but the holocaust with 6 million jews was in the long run but much more i'm not saying not to say about the holocaust but you do say asara you do say crusades you know a spanish religion was it was a the vibrance was the worst thing that ever happened to jewish people since the quran bias saying spain was the epicenter of torah jewry in the 15th century in the 13th century all the goddess lived there and it happened not tisha buffa you know to top it off it happened on tishombo also can we give it could could could someone write one candle please you know they're not that long just one can actually give to inquisition world war one broke out on tissue yes the inquisition started on tissue above the date the expulsion the explosion the exposure not the inquisition the expulsion so an expulsion is not the same well you know whoever wasn't expelled who got killed was forced to convert either convert or die well the jews would spout above it two years before that's the corbin right that was part of this gear right two years before but that was the result of the destruction of the basa sahmitas so you could say that comes under the category of even in itself you have some practicum for the horben some problem for the the leaving of artistra para k is the leaving of arts israel okay i don't know that we're ignoring okay this is a question to think of but but here's the idea that we're saying is that all tragedy traces back to corbin look in the gemara and saita the government says yeshua mayor the day the temple is destroyed we don't have a day that there's no curse yeah i think elsewhere in yamcha um so everybody said we have two questions on our hands the one one question the one there of salvation doesn't ask and the one that he does ask the one he doesn't ask is how could we establish evan the one he does ask is why are there no kinos for the kaminsky pogroms so well what i would like to share with you is a chuva from maisha where he answers the question that rabbi does not ask and we're going to use it to answer the question that rav salvatrik does ask they asked ramosha why weren't the gadolin why didn't they not establish a day of memorial for the showa so you say they did so one thing we learned here is no it wasn't them it wasn't the godzilla who established that day it was not an authorized uh it was not endorsed by the the torah leaders right the chuvas on vitamin why didn't they make a day um you see how ramosha calls it hitler and his friends not the nazis the nazis is a liberal invention why because there were a few bad guys they were bad people called nazis but avado the germans were all good people the german nation in general they're all good it was the nazis no make sure you don't say that it was germany it was poland it was france and america knew about it anyway shouldn't there be a day the reason why there is no day designated for crusades shahoo you have zeros europe that were throughout europe most jews lived there at the time we can't add days shall kane start last gear on the kingdom of the israelites just we include them in the kenneth by the way it's interesting uh celebration and his kenneth i don't believe he said the holocaust ones no i think he was morally opposed to it but in throughout the kinos wherever there was a recurring tragedy that let's say something happened by the corbin that also happened times the holocaust he would point it out in other words to make the point that whatever you know in in error history repeats itself okay so far so good you ready here's the whopper this is an amazing pradosh ready for this but what happened to hapswivan why do we have a fast day on khafshivan i'm going to tell you outside and then we'll be inside cesaro moshe this idea that everything is traced back to the hormone yeah maybe maybe very nebulously if somebody hashem is ill it's because there's hester upon him it's because there's no base hamikdash but that's not a reason to include something in tish above to include a tragedy in tishomov it has to be directly connected to the corbin what kind of tragedy is directly connected to the carbon who caused the corbin who destroyed the second mesa the romans the western world the christian world they were the predecessors of christianity but rome any time there's a tragedy that is perpetrated by the prevailing empire of the gullis that we're in that is directly connected to the corbin that's why we could say kenneth for the crusades that's why we could say kenneth for the burning of the shas because it was done by the christians that's why we could say maybe kenneth's for the holocaust but the kalmanitsky pogroms says a musha they weren't perpetrated by the reigning empire they were done by a bunch of rebels kaminitsky was the chief kazakh they were rebels they were rebelling against the government there's nothing to do with the corbin corbin is only when you could connect it to the power of the roman empire when you could connect it to the power of the golis that we're in but when it's rebels rebelling against the government there's nothing to do with the corbin that's the cesar maisha that's why khaf sivan you know why we can have a separate day for the khamenski pagrams because it doesn't trace back to tishbob because the khamenetsky program was not perpetrated by the government it was perpetrated by the anti-government mamela you have a tishbo and you have a cup sivan but hitler hitler was a the rebel he was a no against the original german government he was voted in the government because he was a rebel no he was voted in by the jews we voted for him he was elected he is the presiding leader of the empire of golis mama that's connected to tisha but kamanitsuki pogrom got nothing to do with tisha and therefore they were rebelling against the government therefore you could have a khop sivan so i just want to point out that based on ramosa we have a very clear answer to a reverse salvation question no the inquisition was christian and christianity i'm not answering inquisitive inquisition you have to come to the school on anticipate to hear the answer but nine o'clock it's the corner of branch and peninsula that chakras is nine o'clock and then we have guinness 9 45 and you'll hear the answer to that question review i believe according to our moisture we have a very clear answer ravoish is explaining why you could have a cup sivan even though we have a tissue off that's because kaminsky has nothing to do with tisha this would be an answer why there are no kidness for kaminsky pogroms because it's got nothing to do with tishima why would you say anything about khamenitsuki on tishiba yeah asara malcolm's killed by the romans crusades the romans holocaust western world hitler had an alliance with the pope right what about all the arab countries and muslims oh maybe that is why we don't say anything of ancientists about anything that happened i always thought why don't we say anything to all the uh tragedies that the arabs inflicted on us all the years so i always thought look at us we weren't suffering under them we were suffering under what happened in europe maybe this fire them do no according to this so it's not a day to commemorate at you know arab tragedy that has they have nothing to do with the corbin they're just bad they were always bad they were parallel dumb and they were and they're still paralleled them they're not going to do the this has nothing to do with the fact that we still fast on the 20th day of sivan for the kaminitsuki pogroms the head of the the chief kazakh shannaragu ukraine mu poland who they killed in the ukraine empire poland shekaubulusham yoim tainus amir sriva it's not similar to the hormone it was very specific to that region it wasn't to all of israel el iraq bachelek medina is only to the ukraine and part of poland was always telling us this is not really so connected to what was in golis during the 1648-1649 if the government was strong enough they would have protected us but the kaminicki was a rebel we only say we only commemorate on tisha those tragedies that are befalling us for the same sins that cause the corbin so if it's a matter of the prevailing government that means we shall put us in galas we're at we're on we're at the whim a day for the holocaust is not authorized alex zero is to hitler because hitler's we're on all of claudius say what are you talking about yeah first of all hitler was was inches away from from blitzing right through israel don't say it was only on the jews of europe hitler was at the the sinai yeah and what you say what about the jews of america hitler felt the jews of america they would destroy themselves they would enter marry and he had submarines off the east coast alexander hitler first of all wiped out the main the main uh locations where khalifa lived versus his plan was to destroy the whole world that's xero on all of claudia's trial that's the xera that's connected to the khorben and therefore we don't make a separate day of tightness and like we find in the guinness so this is a very interesting split between khabsevan and the holocaust what why don't we observe we're very weak darts it's not easy what that's right who established this table to remember it's me the reign of him i don't know maybe some rabbit no i don't know what do you mean establish not an establishment it's not a cuvious girl look it's a big tragedy how could something that happened it's something that needs to be remembered and people want to make it more personal than to let it be swallowed up in tish above so that's the debate but to be koiveia we don't have the we don't have the authority to do that one of the reasons is like mentioned in kinase because we we we connected to tishbo but the big question is but look we have precedent to make days we have hap sivan so that's where ramosha distinguishes between those tragedies that are traced back so bottom line is like this yes there is definitely an idea that if a person has any difficulty to some extent yes to some extent it's all traceable back to tish above but halachically speaking in terms of what kinus we say on tishimov according to our emotion we only say those kidneys which are directly connected to gourmet salmiktas other side kinase and that really makes the question stronger because the spanish inquisition was directly connected to the newly embraced christianity so stay tuned for the answer to that question you've just experienced another torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com