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This is what destroys Judaism (it's not what you think)
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Kamtza and Bar Kamtza - a fresh perspective -- Unpack the Talmud and explore; The famous story that led to the distruction of Jerusalem and learn it's untold yet timeless message.
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what can help us survive and even more
Thrive during Exile during the diaspora
or even better yet and the Exile remedy
the Exile and conversely what can
actually fuel the Exile and God forbid
give it more strength and power over us
okay friends The Story begins we are
exploring a very relevant passage of
talwood because this is relevant to the
time period we find ourselves on the
Jewish calendar we're approaching the
month of a we're approaching the 9th of
a the day that the basam Mikes both
temples had been
destroyed and the talmud
explores the story one of the stories
that actually led to the destruction of
the basam of the
temple um the the
way we see
things the way humans see things right
if you were to ask the average historian
why was the temple destroyed right well
because the Babylonians destroyed it or
the second temple because the Romans
destroyed
it um and that's true right and you
could Analyze That did they not like the
Jews what was the reason for
anti-Semitism what was the cause but
when it comes to analyzing these things
internally as Jewish people we always
attribute these things to our own
behavior there's a line that we recite
in the Musa prayer
because of our sins we've been exiled
from our land well why is it our fault
it was the Romans okay but the question
is why did God allow this to happen in
the first place we assume that we could
have been a little bit better and
something we did was off now that's a
very important approach by the way
approach when it comes to introspecting
our own lives when it comes to somebody
else's suffering we would never do that
right you must be suffering because of
this yeah we don't do that we empathize
and we say God you have no right to do
that that wasn't cool but when it comes
to our own suffering especially
collectively as a community we often ask
ourselves well what led to this and the
talmud
says that what led to the destruction of
the first temple by the
Babylonians was the immorality of the
Jewish people was their engagement in
idolatry was their engagement in
relational
immorality right the Yater Hara the evil
inclination
was burning within
them the T then says it's a different
section of we're doing right now but the
T then
says well what about the second temple
where they were for the most part more
moral and less and not engage in
idolatry and were doing Mitzvah and
were're studying Torah they were pretty
much on the mark So what led to the
destruction of Temple number two by the
Romans and the T says it's because it
was baseless
hatred baseless hatred unjustifiable
hatred sometimes we dislike behavior
that people have and sometimes we
dislike people and we blame it on their
behavior and the latter apparently is
not conducive for Jewish
Community nor a Jewish Home for
God okay that's a to in a different
track date in our track date we actually
go into the story of what historically
took place that led to the destruction
take a look at the second to last
paragraph on the link that we had sent
it's tractate gets
in um 55b it's the bottom of the page on
the link that we have it's the second to
last
paragraph and we have a story do you
guys see it where it says the gamor
explains you guys have
it second to last paragraph gettin 55b
it should be on that link
the gor explains that Jerusalem was
destroyed on account of Kam and Bara two
different
people um it's unclear whether they were
related with their similar last names
the word bar in he in Aramaic means son
of so some suggest some commentary
suggest that Bara was the son of kamsa
and some say they were just friends or
or
acquaintances this is as there was a
certain man whose friend was named K and
whose enemy was named
baram he once made a large feast and
said to his servant go and bring my
friend
kamza the servant went and mistakenly
brought him his enemy barza right he got
he he got the invitations confused he
got the address wrong the names were too
similar and Bara ended up at this party
how do you think this host reacted his
enemy shows up the man who was hosting
the feast came and found barcom to
sitting at the feast the host said to
baram that man is the
enemy of that man that is you are my
enemy essentially he was saying you're
my enemy what do you want here arise and
leave baramas said to him since I've
already come let me stay and I'll give
you money for whatever I eat and drink
just don't embarass Me by sending me out
right misunderstanding miscommunication
barhams are realized right he thought
who who knows what baram was thinking
maybe he thought that he wanted to make
peace or who knows right he quickly
realized what the situation was please
don't throw me out of this
party I I'll I'll pay for my meal and
just just leave me alone and and we'll
you we'll settle our fights afterwards
we'll take this outside type of thing
right okay I'm going to go to the top of
56a we continue what does the host say
to him no you must
leave baram said to him I'll give you
money for half the
feast just don't send me away the host
said to him no you must leave baram then
said to him I'll give you money for the
entire Feast just let me stay again
that's a lot of money because this was
like the party of the century apparently
a lot of dignitaries were there a lot of
rabic personalities were there the host
said to him no you must leave finally
the host took barza by his hand stood
him up and took him out
arsa was
humiliated after second paragraph right
top of the page after having been cast
out from the
feast aramas said to himself well since
the sages were sitting there and did not
protest the actions of the host although
they saw how he humiliated me right
learned from it that they were content
with what he did they didn't protest
they must be okay with such Behavior
I'll therefore go inform form against
them to the King this is referring to
the Roman Emperor right because
Jerusalem at this point and Israel at
large at this point was controlled by
the Romans to some degree the the
relationship with the Jews and the
Romans were on the
Rocks he went and he said to the emperor
the Jews have rebelled against you the
emperor said to him who says that this
is the case baram said to him go and
test them send them an offer offering to
be brought in honor of the government
and see whether they'll sacrifice it so
he's telling the emperor send an
offering send an animal to the temple
you'll see if the Jews take your
offering if they don't that means they
don't like you they're rebelling against
you now the truth is in Jewish law it's
permissible to send uh for for non-jews
to actually send donations to the temple
and to send sacrifices Isaiah and his
prophecies refer to the temple as
right God says my house is a house of
prayer for all
nations however there was a bit of a
shim sham over here that baram
employed the emperor went and sent with
him a choice three-year-old
calf now what's the significance of a
calf out of all animals we'll talk about
that soon just circle
that while baram was coming with the
calf to the temple he made a blemish on
the calf's upper lift
and some say he made a blemish on its
eyelids a place where according to us
according to Jewish law it's considered
to be a blemish and invalid sacrifice
but according to them Gentiles rule for
their offerings that it's not a
blemish right so therefore when Bara
brought the animal to the temple the
priests would not sacrifice it on the
altar since it was blemished but they
would also could not explain the
satisfactory to the authorities who
didn't consider it a blemish right so
baram did this little evil
simple but evil trick he blemishes the
animal and now they're
stuck um right it's actually a real
ethical or question you have political
pressure to violate
Hal should you or should you stick to
your
values um it's a real question because
on the one hand there's what we call
hasem desecrating God which is not a
good thing on the other hand Judaism
does prioritize the preservation of
life it's a real question here
right so now the tomw is going to get
into the discussion that the sages had
at this
point the blemish not
withstanding the sages brought to
sacrifice the animal as an offering due
to the imperative to M sorry thought to
sacrifice the animal as an offering due
to the imperative to maintain peace with
the government so they said let's let's
just offer it
because otherwise they're going to kill
us right you're allowed to violate Torah
law to preserve
life but then another Rabbi pipes up and
says wait a
minute right Rabbi Zakaria
benas remember RAB zakar because we're
going to talk about him soon said to
them if the priests do that the people
will say that the blemished animals may
be sacrificed as offerings on the altar
we're setting a precedent for the future
an incorrect precedent for the future
that's not a good
idea right the maintaining peace is a
good thing but if you're going to set a
president for the rest of History that's
a
perversion of Jewish
law the sages said if we don't sacrifice
it then we must prevent Bara from
reporting this to the emperor the sages
thought to kill him so that he wouldn't
go and speak against them again RAB
zakara said to them well if you kill him
people are going to say that one who
makes blemish on a sacrificial animals
to be killed again you're setting a
precedent for future Generations that
simply isn't true you don't get the
death penalty for bringing the wrong
sacrifice or or for blemishing the
sacrifice so now they're stuck they're
in this quandry what do they do but T
says as a result they did nothing
baram's slander was accepted by the
authorities and consequently the war
between the Jews and the Romans began
this is what led ultimately to the
destruction of the Temple
the nth of right two Jews fighting
essentially or the host of the party bar
that's why the tal said it's a baseless
hatred that had destroyed the
temple but I want to read just the next
paragraph because to me out of this
whole story the next paragraph is
something I find to be quite
bizarre take a look at this next
paragraph RAB Yan says the excessive
humility of RAB
zakaras right he was the rabbi that said
well wait a minute the president issue
D his excessive humility destroyed our
Temple burned our Sanctuary exiled us
from our
land and I guess our question over here
really two
questions number one
humility what
humility I I would say his righteousness
killed
us his what what other word would you
use his piousness perhaps excessive
piousness right perhaps he was overdoing
it a little bit you know there is a
balance
between there's certain times where it's
not good to be too
religious right and there is a concept
of being excessively Pious or
excessively righteous and that could be
a problem at
times but the tal refers to it as
humility okay but there's a bigger
question here and of all the people in
this story do you really think RAR is
the one to blame
there's a lot of other people we could
blame in this story we could blame the
host of the party for throwing out bar
comps and treat treating him so poorly
we could treat we could blame Bara for
taking Revenge that itself is a Biblical
prohibition rather than settling his
issues in a more peaceful way we could
blame the rabbis who were at the party
who were silent while barza was being
humiliated and caved into the pressure
of a wealthy benefactor
out of all people zakar who is just
trying to preserve Jewish values
honestly why is he the guy being
blamed you see what's going on
here so I'd like to share with
you two
answers and I believe that the answers
to these questions are going to shed
light on what can help us
survive and even more Thrive during
Exile during the
diaspora or even better yet end the
Exile right remedy the Exile and
conversely what can actually
fuel the Exile and God
forbid um give it more strength and
power over
us let's start with rashi's
commentary I want to go back to y
statement for a moment the excessive
humility of Zas destroyed our
Temple right he was the one who said
well if you offer the sacrifice it's
going to set a negative precedent for
the future an incorrect precedent if you
kill bars it's going to set a precedent
for the future why are we using him to
blame right so what does rash what does
the Tam say the excessive humility now
you know my hiccups with
translations there's always multiple
ways of trans ating words and when you
use the English text you're forced to
pick one when you stick with the
original you're welcome to use as many
as you need right um in Hebrew it's an
it's a long word
there comes from the word anava which
actually does mean humility it's
commonly translated as humility however
Rashi in his commentary on the talmud
says that it doesn't actually mean
humility apparently
the word anava which is often translated
as humility according to Rashi and again
Rashi was an expert in Hebrew grammar
apparently anava literally means saut
you know what savlanut means patience or
tolerance you may remember a couple
Torah portions
ago
um the Torah referred to Moshe as the
most humble of people to have graced the
Earth to have faced the Earth right his
siblings were speaking negatively about
him and mosha was just silent he was
quiet he accepted it he didn't fight
back and the Torah says mosha was the
most humble of people to have ever
graced the earth and the word anava the
word humility what does Rashi there on
the Torah say same thing saan he was
patient he was
tolerant so let's look back at the
tal says the excessive
tolerance of RAB zakara destroyed the
temple we often think that what creates
peace is tolerance and it's just not
true tolerance destroys peace tolerance
destroys communities because you know
what tolerance means I don't like you
but I'll tolerate you
anyways that's not good right there's
this whole talk about different
religions and we all have to tolerate
each other
tolerance there's the Museum of
Tolerance yeah you're no good but I got
to tolerate you it's it's one it's like
offensive it's not a good
thing RAB zakara was
tolerating our com's
Behavior if we kill him it's going to
set a negative PR precedence so he
prioritized a future precedence which no
longer exists because the temple had
been destroyed a
potential negative
precedence over somebody who wanted to
kill Jewish
people now why is he to blame if you ask
me again it's a good thing they didn't
ask me right I'm just a I'm just the
commentator here no I'm kidding
but I would have thought that the rabbis
at the party are really have the biggest
hand here because you're a respected
rabinal
figure and what you do gives a stamp of
of approval or what you don't do gives a
stamp of
approval but I might suggest that what
zakar did which was tolerate baram's
Behavior the sages at the party did the
same exact thing they tolerated the
host's
behavior they were just as humble or
tolerant they did the same exact
thing they did the same exact thing
history within the same not that long
after who knows what the Gap was in this
story right doesn't seem like it took
over long took over that long of a
period of time but things repeated
itself the sages were tolerant of the
host's poor behavior and now of
zakaria's
tolerant of baram's poor
behavior and what destroys Jerusalem
what destroys the infrastructure of
Judaism the temple
unfortunately is tolerating things that
shouldn't be
tolerated this is the perspective of
Rashi
other commentaries disagree with Rashi
and his
gramal
assertion and believe that no humility
and tolerance don't overlap they're
actually two different
things and the word is actually humility
let's take it
literally one of my favorite
commentaries on the aada portions of
talmud on the portions of talmud that
are not strictly Hal but more insights
and Stor
is the Ben
y by R ysim of Baghdad from the late
1800s he was the chief Rabbi of Baghdad
he wrote A Commentary unpacking these
ideas in the to and he points out
something
fascinating why are we blaming RAB
zakara again right that's that's the big
issue here we're blaming him out of all
people rather than baram the host or the
other
rabbis and we're blaming his
humility so he says something
fascinating he says just imagine the
situation over
here they're at the altar the animal
comes they're ready to sacrifice
it Zas this Rabbi was a Cohen which
means he was actually on premisis when
this took
place he sees the
animal he's this incredible scholar
right there's a little bit of background
that we don't know about him apparently
he was one of the top ranking Scholars
that other rabbis didn't want to really
agree with uh sorry disag agree
with he was
authoritative and he's looking at the
animal and his his in his mind he's
thinking I don't know this is alic
acceptable and what do the other rabbis
say I can't argue with
him on the other hand was he speaking
authoritatively not
necessarily he was just
questioning he was coming from a place
of humility rather than
assertion he was not being decisive in
Jewish law what he should have done was
decided we have to take the animal or we
have to kill Bara he was questioning is
that really acceptable under the guys he
was focusing on a very specific
issue and that was coming from a place
of questioning from a place of humility
rather than seeing himself as the
authority to be able to make the
decision that we're going to kill baram
or that we're going to actually not
accept that
animal his humility destroyed Jerusalem
as if almost like the danger of being
silent you're similar to the rabbis by
the way in the previous generation so
not the previous generation in the
previous part of the story who were at
the party and were silent in the face of
baram right at at that party these
rabbis were silent they were humble what
were they thinking
possibly i' suppose they might have been
thinking it's not my party it's not my
place
I don't make the calls here I'm just a
guest it's not my role to call out the
host I don't have that I'm not in that
position who am
I that level of humility is horrible
because it destroys the infrastructure
of Judaism it creates Exile I'll tell
you a great story hold on I see a
comment over here um what you prmit you
promote exactly there we go well said
I'll tell you a great story some of you
are familiar with Rabbi Josh Gordon of
blessed memory from Korg who popular
teacher um many many years ago probably
40 years ago or so there was a rabbi in
Southern
California who was young he was in his
20s and he was putting together a
banquet
celebrating his kabad Center and his
community Jewish community it was a
fundraising event at this point his
kabad Center was probably just a couple
of years
old and he's this young 25 26 year old
Rabbi and he has this beautiful banquet
and a band and he has a
comedian and apparently the comedian did
not understand the crowd did not
understand that this is a Jewish
community and this is a synagogue and he
kind of misread his audience and was
using a lot of off off-color language
off-color jokes
and it wasn't appropriate for a
synagogue fundraising
fundraiser and this young 25 26y Old
Rabbi is just freaking out the the guy's
just on stage and keeps going at it and
he's just like Frozen like what do I
do ab by Josh Gordon is at this event
and again he's a guest it's not his
synagogue it's not his anything he lives
an hour a half
away but Rabbi Josh Gordon is in the
audience he again is also pretty young
himself maybe late 20s at this point
early 20s whatever he walks up on the
stage grabs the microphone from the
comedian and he says thank you very much
let's give him a round of applause and
the Comedian says I'm not done he says
yes you are round of applause
everybody Rabbi Gordon could have easily
said have said this is not my event this
is unfortunate it's ugly it's uh I feel
bad for that rabbi was in that position
who was going to have to deal damage
control but not my problem and it's not
my position and I'm uncomfortable doing
anything cuz who am I Rabbi Gordon said
no now is not the time to be humble
there's a right and there's a wrong and
we have to stand up for that right and
wrong these rabbis did not stand up for
what was right now there's various
explanations some say that it was
possible that they weren't aware of the
situation given on the there's a lot of
explanation about the
commentaries but
the similarly with
zakar we have to be assertive and stand
up for what's right and not question our
Authority because that feeds into gullas
that feeds into Exile that that that
lack that that feeling of false humility
that feeling of incompetence that
feeling of what do we call it impostor
syndrome there's a fascinating
commentary literally on everything some
commentaries comment on the Torah some
on the T some there's this one
commentary called the Shah which is an
acronym
for an acronym
for by RAB was from the 1500s he was a
calist and philosopher and he has one of
these commentaries that are literally on
everything he has myriads and myriads of
writings literally on everything on the
Torah on the tal it's like overwhelming
amount of knowledge that he that he
shares and I recently read an Insight
from him I thought this was fascinating
but talmud says a different section of
the talmud says that any generation that
did not see the
construction of the temple it's as if it
had been destroyed in that
generation so
on hopefully not this Tish maybe we'll
see the B mkes but last Tish right we
didn't see the rebuilding of the Bas
Mikes it's as if we saw it being
destroyed why what does that
mean so the way
the 15th or 16th century explains
it
any generation that still has those
traits that led to the destruction of
the
temple it's as if you're seeing it being
destroyed
now you didn't rebuild it because we're
still holding on to those traits those
negative traits whether it be the hatred
of baram and the host or whether it be
the the impostor syndrome
of we're holding on to these negative
traits that itself is destroying the Bas
of MDES that's causing gas that's
causing
Exile and I want to end off with a
teaching that I read from the B founder
of the movement he says something
fascinating he says too much humility
and it's just a loose translation but he
says too much humility causes us to be
distant from the service of
God because we feel so lowly and we
think so little of
ourselves we question our impact do my
Mitzvah really make a difference does my
doing really make a difference do I
really have an impact on God do I really
have an impact on the world he says
these types of thoughts damper our
joy they put stress on us and they're
antithetical toward the whole essence
Spirit of
Judaism which is our mission to bring
God down in this world to do that we
have to be
assertive right too much
humility destroys the temple destroys
the sanctuary and could God forbid exil
us from our land but conversely
confidence confidence that's not coming
from a place of arrogance but that's
coming from God put me in these shoes I
must have the ability to fill them gives
us incredible powers to really change
this world and make it a brighter better
place okay that's my story and I'm
sticking to it