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>> I I'm very like I had the roughest week,
>> but I feel like I do this for Cloud and
for myself because I enjoy Yeah. since
the start
and uh so I'm just saying that I'm like
so exhausted. But
>> you know, somebody called me from
Yeshiva.
They told me that they put on the
podcast by launch at night. They listen
to it on a speaker
>> and then so it makes me think okay
like what do I do
and you do
>> I'm saying all of this because I want to
lead into the fact that you're you are
amazing at what you do. You took
something
>> and you you started something amazing
that is potentially saving a lot of
lives. We'll go into the conversation
for
feel free to comment in the last message
of the hotline or the in the YouTube
comments. I always say if there's enough
messages we'll come back and make a
paren
but today I'm sitting here with Gman. We
actually met on pum and now that
everybody is talking about the scooter
situation. And I saw a new video that
went out today from
I think it's Rafua Health about the
scooters also addressing. So more and
more people were seeing the ads in the
papers, seeing ads from everybody's
putting it out. Everybody's talking
about it. Influencers are talking about
it that scooters how dangerous it is. I
saw the video from Yonas taking the
scooter, putting it into the dumpster
and making Yeah. And making everybody
that's giving up a scooter a heater a
hero. [clears throat] Making everybody
that's giving up a scooter a hero. And
so to me I I call this the podcast of
the people because here I'm doing every
week an episode based oil average
mention celebrity of the podcast and uh
a hero I guess and you're a hero. You
did something amazing. So get us into
the let's start from where you're now.
What are you doing about this whole
scooter situation? Why are you and
scooters one?
>> Of course. So before we get there, you
you gave me all the reasons why I'm not
the hero. So I mean I didn't do this by
myself. You know, I don't believe I
started this. Some people may say I mean
it's flattering, but there's so many
people that are involved. There's so
many people that gave up a lot of time.
I honestly I'm just here to help
continue the conversation to drive some
conversation and you know try to promote
educate you know and not force things
down people's thro throat but to to
create a conversation about it I
obviously feel very passionate about
about this issue and I have opinions but
you know those things as we speak to
people those things change you know you
adapt you learn you listen um yeah so
that's generally uh you know what it's
about
>> is it's Amazing. Is this scooter
dangerous?
>> So again, I don't think there's anyone
that thinks this is safe.
>> Mhm.
>> Right. Otherwise, we wouldn't be talking
about this.
>> I know. I've done an electric scooter.
It felt a lot of fun.
>> So,
>> what's the unsafetiness? N cut and dry.
What's the I'm not I'm asking cuz I'm
I'm I'm 28 years old. I don't like I'm
not in the age of scooters. I don't have
a kid yet with scooter, right? So,
what's the give me the the Okay. Give me
the dry. What's the
>> Okay, so obviously the first thing is
speed kills, right? So do you know how
fast that scooter can go?
>> No. How fast
>> exactly? So many scooters can go
average ones you see on the street can
go 20 to 30 and they can even be
manipulated
>> to go even faster. And then the heavy
duty ones can go even faster.
>> So you're saying it hits one bump and
you're flipped over.
>> Exactly. So, one little one little
pebble on the floor, one little crack on
the sidewalk, a bottle, you know, it's a
wet in the street from one second to the
next.
>> It's not approved by the government.
What do you mean? How can you Everybody
can drive around. They're picking up the
other bikes that was around city.
>> It's funny you say that. There's
actually people don't that most of the
scooters that are on the street are not
street legal. Um, given the fact that
the speed that it goes, they're not
they're not. And the way that it's being
driven is also not street legal,
>> by the way. Sorry for I didn't think I'm
going to say this, but I I literally
have a cousin, shout out to you, without
a name, that I think was really hurt by
a scooter. Yeah,
I literally have a scooter, a cousin
that went through hell because of a
scooter. My his was upset and whatever.
I don't think he's driving a scooter
anymore, though. So, I'm It's coming
full full circle because now I'm
And it wasn't good.
>> Yeah.
>> So, you're right. You're right. It's
dangerous. I'm on your side. [laughter]
>> That's it. We're done.
>> No, it is. But you're right. And
especially in Bur Park where there's no
there's not one street that's smooth.
There's no such a thing. Sidewalks, st
roads.
>> It's not a bar park issue. It's not a
Winsburg issue. It's not a Kale issue.
It's not a United States issue. It's
it's this is an issue throughout the
world.
>> Um people can you can go do do your own
research and you'll see that this is a
question that all communities are
having. People are having
it
in our community a lot now. First of
all,
>> we're
all together. We're we're one community.
We we feel bad for someone else's.
Um but also, you know, it's it became
very popular very very quickly. No, if
you know if you would have said, you
know, five years ago, this is what's
gonna happen, I don't think anyone would
have done it, right? Everyone would look
back and say, hold on, let's let's take
a chill,
>> it became very paper way too quick. And
at this point, it became like everyone
has it. And how do you get rid of it?
>> And do you get rid of it? Is it okay to
say to get rid of it?
>> Right?
>> Who whose responsibility is it? The
parents, the the yeshivas.
bungle counties are getting involved
like it's from all angles and there is
no real one-size fit all answer and it's
a collaborative effort and and that's
what I tried doing that's the message
that I tried spreading
>> um yes in the beginning we came out full
force a ban we have to you know we're
not going to let the no scooter left
behind
>> right
>> it's all thing but obviously this you
know creates takes an entire community
and we we can get all you know into more
detail we we can have you know more
conversation but That's generally, you
know, what this is about, hearing
everyone out.
>> Now, you have a background in safety,
right? So, you do that.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's very interesting. Um, I
come from the construction real estate
field. That's where I come from. Um, my
day is split 5050.
>> Um, I'm an owners rep, so I I represent
developers
>> um on construction projects and
development. Okay. And I also have a
paper consulting company where I, you
know, I help businesses and construction
individuals, you know, other industries
as well. Um, you know, get licensing and
certifications and stuff like that,
>> right?
>> Um, but I I was always very passionate
about safety. I was, you know, it's
something that I I always felt was was
important, you know, the construction
industry. Um, and yeah, it's something
that, you know, you go through all this
training when you see these issues on
the sites and it's something that sticks
with you and right and it's something
that I've always advocated for and
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So okay so now let's go to the to the
other side of things when it comes to
the scooters. A lot of people are saying
I spoke to the guy today. I don't want
to say his name. He always has strong
opinions. So I don't I don't think that
his but he says I don't get this. You're
throwing away scooters.
Why he's throwing away scooters? You're
you're wasting money. You're driving
kids crazy. You're taking away their
little toy that they have. It's 2026.
It's a world of AI. Suck up to it.
They're saying basically just
acknowledge this is what it is. Oh, if
you have an issue with the scooters,
make a safety pathway for it. Don't have
cars driving at 35 in London. They said
it's 10 miles per hour. Have the cars
drive slow. If you want, get them
helmets. What do you say to all these
claims?
>> So, there all the claims are valid and
they should all be addressed. Okay.
>> Um there's obviously both two sides to
the story. To address the first one um
that you said about kids and about being
against it's not anti-scooters. No one
here is coming to say where it's against
scooters. We're here to promote safety.
We're here to promote people walking on
the streets and our grandmothers and
grandfathers should be able to walk on
the sidewalks. We're talking about, you
know, people shouldn't cause damage. The
fact is right now it's a nuisance.
>> That is a fact. I think people will all
agree that um that that it it's an
issue.
>> Yeah.
>> No, no one's saying it's not an issue.
So, how do we address it? So, when it
comes to kids, no one's here to tell the
kids, you know, oh, you can't be on uh
you can't have technology inside, it's
not go outside. The second they go
outside, oh, now you can't have school.
We're not telling people what to do.
It's we're here to promote and I think
every parent wants their kids, they
should go outside and come back safe.
You know, they should come to show them
alive. Um, and
you know, you can say that, hey, but
when they go on a bicycle, they could
also hurt themselves. So I'm not I'm not
the one that has to tell you. I mean,
you can go, you know, you mentioned that
through a video and they're saying that
right now the medical industry this is
the highest priority. you walk into any
ER, speak to any ER doctors, you know,
do any little bit of research, that will
tell you that this is one of the biggest
concerns and the the dangers that come
out of it is extreme from the speed,
from the from the fact whether you're
wearing a helmet, all these things are,
you know, are not necessarily the way to
prevent it. Um, and even this even the
helmets themselves, if if you read up,
if you go on the on the AAA's website,
they had, you know, they have an
education guide which literally just
came out, I think less than a month ago.
Okay. You would think that after many
many years of all this talk you would
think that there would someone would
come out create a safety program create
education there isn't such a thing even
even the AAA's u manual everyone's
entitled we could put a link in the
thing doesn't teach you how to ride it
tells you safe it tells you some safety
tips you know how to make hand signals I
when you make a hand signal you're
taking your hand off the handlebar and
it says you should always have two hands
I think
>> and with two hands is it safer.
>> All these things I the example that I
would give is let's say if you were to
you want to learn how to ski, you want
to learn how to go mountain biking, you
want to learn how to at go atving,
you're going to know the basics, right?
If you went on an ATV today, you maybe
you had experience, maybe you don't, but
an average person goes on ATV for the
first time without any training, he's
flipping.
>> Mhm.
>> He goes on a jet ski without anything,
he'll flip. Correct.
>> But we're giving scooters to kids
>> that are 12 years old, 13 years old.
Here, just go enjoy. Do the parents know
how fast it goes? Do the parents know
what these things are capable of? Do
they know the dangers? No, because Yonko
has.
>> So, okay. So, which training is it
safer? Is it more legit? Is it normal?
You're saying
>> I think I think obviously we're here by
a pool, right? So,
>> there's things here to make it safe.
There's a fence,
>> right?
>> There things, but these are givens
today.
>> We're not holding at a point where
>> the scooter safety issue
>> right now
>> is addressed enough where people have
enough education to know how to ride it.
I think even adults.
>> Yeah. If I were to go on the scooter, I
also don't know what will happen,
>> right? I mean, [laughter]
>> no way. Sorry. No. Reminds me of my
friend's father who tried out for the
first time the segue heistas. The one
>> how many videos are online?
>> An older guy. And they mentioned
and for six weeks he was in a cast.
You're right. You can't be an idiot. I
mean, Jean Masha, you can't uh clearly
this is making enough noise that for me
when I see a scooter, I'm going to be
very careful when I get onto it or for
my brother that I see on it or so. Yeah.
>> So, and then this is all before talking
about sidewalks, people driving on
sidewalks, people driving heavy speeds,
>> right?
>> This is all before that. forget the
legality, the the responsibility a
parent has from a legal perspective. Um,
you know, there's there's so much. I
mean, you can go on and on and on. Um,
but I think we we should also address,
you know, like like you like going to
back what to you said, um, you know,
was, you know, all these things taking
it away, you know, the idea of don't
tell me what to do like like you said,
but you know, go fly a kite. Mhm.
>> Um, and
I think they're all valid and I think
they should, like I said, they have to
be addressed. Um, and you know, parents
have to have enough information to be
able to make their own decision. And I
think that's what we're we're trying to
do. I think Bashem, you know, who would
have dreamt that I think about we're
like two months into this heavy
>> campaign,
>> quoteunquote campaign, which is not even
a campaign. Not a single dollar was
spent.
>> Okay, people don't believe me. Not a
single dollar in marketing w I'm not
talking about KC oil and and
Williamsburg they have a general safety
complaint. What what you see in in the
media no one's driving it. No one's no
one's forcing anyone. This is all people
that are very passionate and kudos to
all of them. All the people that are
posting all the you know the websites
the social media. Yes we you know I'm
try I'm I'm trying and others are also
trying to help you know influence and
provide some content and provide some
narrative. Um but you know this this is
this is all the community itself. Um
and you know we created this plat this
quoteunquote platform. Okay you know we
didn't even have there was no campaign
like name some guy said oh make a
sticker quickly you know. So he said
two months in people are still having
this conversation and every day I'm like
okay how am I going to tap yesterday
>> you know. So Ellie Ellie whatever called
>> Yeah. Yeah. Ah yeah. So now we have a
voice of tens of thousands of people um
can hear this. Um I want to go back to
the problem for a minute because I
wanted to get into all the juicy parts
first, but let's address again the
problem. What is the problem at the
core? What's the problem? Well, you have
to name it. Somebody asked, they have no
idea what's going on. They're like,
what's the scooter thing for for those
listening until now don't still still
don't get it.
>> The the issue is it's a safety thing. um
if you go on the street
>> no meaning what's happening yeah what's
happening physically right now in our
communities that we have to raise this
not everybody is on status they're not
looking at the news
>> so I encourage anyone that walks on the
street to just pay attention to the
people that are driving around
>> okay the first thing you'll notice and
this is not the main issue but the first
thing you'll notice is young adults and
children riding with without helmets
which we can address I don't think
that's really the main point but it just
visually gives you that like whoa they
don't really care they don't care about
themselves that's their problem and we
care about them else
but
>> that's really for them. Then they have
they're taking rides with with you know
with with you know their siblings their
friends they're giving rides two kids on
a on a on a scooter.
>> Ah so one kid is holding on to the
handle the other kid is holding them
from the back like zero. It's not a
motorcycle.
>> It's not a motorcycle. Okay. [laughter]
And most of these times they don't even
care about their own safety which is
which is which is interesting. Okay. And
they're speeding
>> Mhm. weaving in and out of cars or on a
sidewalk where people are with
pedestrians, right? Scoo uh people with
strollers, babies, kids, you know, you
would think that's a place where people
should be safe. Um and that's the issue
and more and more you're seeing all
these incidents, accidents. Um Hatsula
has given out um you know, many
different organizations have given out
their own statistic. Um but a lot of
them are very very similar. Um you know,
50 in the last month, 50 in the last two
months. um tens and tens of them being
transported.
>> Um
>> so what so Oh, so that's I don't want to
get into very scary. We tried to stay
positive,
>> but what are some of the injuries? What
are like the most common injury? Is it
on a sidewalk? Is it on the street? And
what actually happened?
>> So what woke up Kil was there was one
kid that had had a had
he had a brain injury.
>> Okay. So tell me the story.
I
>> I don't down a block and
>> and he hit his head.
And no car involved. No,
>> I don't recall. There was so many
stories. I don't recall exactly the
details. If I recall, if I don't believe
>> he just,
>> if I remember correctly, there was
nothing involved.
>> So, he was just on the road or on
>> maybe on the sidewalk. I don't remember.
I think on the sidewalk, nothing
happened. He hit something and he fell
and hit his head.
>> Uh-huh. Okay. So, and from this alone,
he had brain
>> permanent damage or you don't know.
Hopefully, whatever. But anyway, it got
to the point where they where it where
it injured his brain, which is the most
serious injury a person can get,
>> right?
>> Um, so they said, "Okay,
>> they said
>> this is not this is not a toy. How can
you give kids?
>> It's not a toy.
>> It's like as as if imagine one day to
another, knives are now a toy for babies
of one year." Everybody would say you're
crazy,
>> right?
>> Okay.
>> Rabbi Bender said it's like giving a kid
a gun.
>> I mean, mamish.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow. Okay. So, that happened to Kirio.
What happens in B park? Is it also
>> bar? So bar part there's a lot a lot of
these stories um we have to think this
doesn't mean that it's okay but we have
to think that that there was no like you
know it seems like all the people that
are involved are going to be okay
>> but that you know it's not there are
very scary stories and again like you
said it's we're not here to scare
anyone.
>> Yeah. But there are very very very scary
stories and like Rebelli Stfansky said
he said in Shia
>> he said it's not a question of it of
it's a question of how and when
>> someone's going to get into an incident.
>> Mhm. So, so it it it is a and and it has
to be addressed and in the short term,
right? That's where the whole idea of,
you know, yeshiva is telling people to
stop. In the short term, you need a
solution. You can't just continue let
this on otherwise it's going to get
continue to get worse and worse and
worse,
>> right?
>> So, some people have to step up and and
speak out and say that this is we don't
accept it as a community.
>> Where is the step up? Is it to the
parents? Is it to the children? Is it to
the yeshivas or all of the above?
If you ask if you ask um the community
organizations, they're going to say we
can't tell people what to do. And they
they're right. They're not wrong. It's
valid valid point.
>> But again, they've put out statements. I
mean, they've all put out
>> and kudos to Sham for retracting the
registration. You know, we uh was that
was a big thing.
>> Oh, they said they're not registering
>> first. They said they're going to they
register scooters.
>> Okay.
>> And I understand also why,
>> right? because they have community
service and they want to be able to find
if somebody
>> if someone gets stolen but on the other
hand
>> expensive these things
>> but on the other hand you're also
>> encouraging
>> encourage you're endorsing it basically
>> like come register your gun or whatever
like
>> yeah that's a totally different topic
>> yeah whatever
[laughter]
>> this is this is politics you know
>> I you know I help I help helped
advocates for that too and you know in
the past
>> you think we should have guns
>> I think every person should uh have the
has have the right You don't have to,
you know, you have the right. You should
have the ability. You should be trained.
You should know how to use it
>> and you should never have to use it.
Doesn't mean you have to go be a
fanatic. Doesn't mean you have to, you
know, carry it every day.
>> I maybe I'm a machinery, but I I don't I
don't want to have a gun personally.
>> Yeah. But what happens when they take
away that respons that you're not
allowed to have one from one to the
next? So that maybe maybe I feel good
that I know that if I want I could have
but I feel like having it around and not
knowing who can find it. Um
>> you know how many people have had a gun
and they took their own life like it's
>> it's a very that's
>> it's a very charted territory especially
when you're comparing it to to scooters.
>> No because then it comes into the whole
convers different conversations politics
and and these type of things. Um but it
happens to be there there's yaju
um there there's people that feel
strongly on one side people that feel
strongly on the other side and I think
people should you know at least know
that you can have it
>> you should know that it's it's an
important fact that you should know that
you should remember what our history was
you should remember what our rights we
we now we remember what our how positive
our rights are but if you look back you
know not too long ago your rights were
taken away and the fact that you have a
right to do something, you should
exercise every right you have and uh
that's where I'll leave it.
>> Yeah. Wow. Oh, it's it's interesting to
talk about all topics of safety. I mean
people are like oh safety okay people
start dieting and I agree health is a
huge thing you know and Yonison keeps on
talking about it um because health is at
the core of everything of every almost
every illness or or problem or whatever.
So safety is a big thing. We I think we
all want to be safe and by nature a
person wants to play it safe. Clalis
rule is very safe. That's why we live
condensed in the major cities and alto
together so that if if god forbid
something happens
>> and that's why we have our own
shamavatula
because
>> it's safe it's it's it's safety anxiety
like like health anxiety whatever we
have a lot of these kind of uh zah but
safety is a is an important I mean it's
I'm saying it's normal for us to feel
unsafe like you said when we have a
history has a history
That's that's what we go by, right?
It's it's there. So you obviously
so the title gives you guidelines about
how to deal with this and this is I
think you know you know I was in touch
with um you know this
>> okay
>> and and they very strongly you know
support it this whole this whole council
they have a strong and they write over
there they cite from uh that it's it's
ofus
>> why
>> not to be not to be safe not to do
things and do things that are
obvious
is uh is to an extent is is the point of
apocass.
>> Okay. So I'm just curious this question
before we move uh on is a kid driving on
a track or in Central Park with a helmet
with both his hands on the thing is at a
with a scooter that goes 10 or 15 miles
per hour. Is that considered safe or
that's also a hazard and whatever?
Unsafe.
>> So I'll answer it with in a different
way. Okay, there are rules. Right now
the rules are what the law is.
>> Okay.
>> So you're going to say who is a
politician to tell me what to do? That's
that whole the same people that that
are, you know, are saying go fly a kite
also tell tell you that that part. But
rules, there's a reason why there's
rules is is driven by science. It's
driven by data. That's why they make
these rules. And as a society, if we
don't have rules, so it's a
free-for-all. You could just do whatever
you want.
>> You know, I could come in here with a
can do whatever I want. So, we have
rules and we have to we have to file
them. Um just like you have, you can't
speed. People understand why you can't
pass a red light st because why not?
Free choice. I want to pass. Why you
telling me when I should stop by the red
light? Who are you? They that people
understand. So,
so the rules are in New York State.
Let's just talk about that. I know we're
in New Jersey. New Jersey has different
rules and different laws.
>> But in New in New York State,
>> a scooter cannot have a capacity of
going more than 20 m an hour.
>> A scooter cannot have a capa cannot
exceed more than 15. Meaning the scooter
can't have the be able to go 20 miles an
hour, but you you have to drive it five
miles below the speed limit.
>> Okay.
>> You not only drive it on sidewalks, I
think you're think of a park is also is
not not allowed.
>> You have to be 16 years or older. M
>> and and then obviously helmets.
>> Okay.
>> So that takes away
>> that alone shows you a little bit. It
gives you perspective.
>> Correct. And it takes away if you look
on the street, it takes away a very
overwhelming majority of the people that
are using scooters.
>> Mhm. Right. Wow. So now, so I guess when
it comes to purchasing the scooter,
there is no, it's not like a car where
they make you go through a process and a
system and age and whatever. Correct.
this. You just go on to Amazon,
>> you buy it, and you order it.
>> There's no training, there's no permits,
there's no tests, there's no license. Go
I encourage everyone to go on YouTube or
wherever you're watching this video and
try to find
>> educational videos. And I tried I tried
looking to be able to spread. There is
no there's guys explaining how to with
50 mph bikes how to how to, you know,
drive professionally. Dame, go find a
video teaching a kid how to ride. They
won't find
>> Wow. Okay. If the the milliondoll
question, we didn't even address it yet,
is how long ago did you start this? What
are your efforts? Okay, we heard all the
opinions and the danger and who's
responsible and and everything re around
scooter, but when did you get into this?
How did it escalate? A lot of people
that told me to discuss this topic
um told me also that you're like the
leader. you're leading this behind
thescenes campaign and you mentioned
you're in you're in talks with Sarabun
you're you're an EMT yourself like you
you you you're into safety and medical
and you want the people safety so when
did you start this campaign when did you
see it starting to escalate what are the
steps that you took if you can give me a
rundown of the things that you've done
to till this point till today
>> sure so um
it started I think like six years ago
when I started voicing my opinion
>> um I tried to advocate not like whatever
I could you know if I see things that
need to I've been involved in different
advocacy efforts over the years I'm a
regular guy what happened six years ago
>> um six years ago what exactly happened I
was driving
>> okay
>> I saw these scooters
you know deliveries bikers people just I
nearly hit one
>> yeah Um, again, I wasn't distracted,
nothing. I'm driving on the street.
Um, one guy hit me and I was like very,
um, it hit me. That was like a light
bulb moment. Like, if no one's talking
about this, nobody cares
>> at that point. This was before any of
the organizations said anything.
>> And I was posting on my status, talking
about it.
>> And at that time, I was a minority.
People thought I was crazy.
>> Mhm.
good friends of mine that are in the
medical field, like you said, also
didn't completely understand where I was
coming from,
>> you know, and
and but I continued.
>> How did they see it? Did they see it as
just a toy? Like it's a bike
>> because it wasn't as popular.
>> Why is a bike safer, by the way?
>> It goes slower.
>> Okay.
>> Um I think there's more electric. It's
more It not electric. It goes much
slower. there's more education and the
the risk of injury is if statistically
is less.
>> Why?
>> It just is. I mean most kids that come
off a bike if they wearing a helmet
because it's also slower.
>> Mhm.
>> Us that that saves them most most of the
time.
>> You're in control of the bike. You're
using your body for the bike.
>> It's larger wheels. I think you have
more control.
>> Um there's a lot of
>> It's just a flying machine.
>> It's a sh 50 m. Boom. You hit a
[laughter] you hit a pebble and you're
toast.
>> Uhhuh. Angry Birds.
>> Wow. Okay. So, you were posting on
status.
>> I posting on status and fast forward.
People used to send me videos. I send
it. I was the scooter guy. I don't know.
>> Your friends at least knew
>> at least knew those. Yeah.
>> Um and then fast forward there was some
campaigns happening. Um there was a
renewed attention to the story. Um and
again I was I started again. Um and I
felt like at that time the messaging was
a little laxed. It was like and and
kudos Hatula gets a lot of credit but
Barakula came out with a campaign and
that gave me like a fire but deep down I
was like this is not enough.
>> It was a graphic. It was everything like
something doesn't add up and I started
talking about it more and I and I I
started and I was posting at different
places and I was getting the responses
that I was getting. I was like, "Wait a
second. I'm not such a man anymore." And
I was reading and I was interacting with
people and and I was hearing all the
different sides and I'm like, "There's
enough of a voice over here that if we
just come out strong things." So in the
beginning we we we used you know me at
least I you know different language you
know like banning noise this you know we
tried to really drive the the attention
um and it and it just took off. I I I
would I would reach out I I made it like
a goal, you know, to reach out to
different influencers, different, you
know, different people, you know, to try
to get their opinion, to try to start
conversation and try to, you know, give
them some material
>> and and it just picked up. It's just
like and I still today I'm shocked. I'm
really shocked again. I It's
>> I'm taking it I mean it seriously. I
Someone told me I heard a story from
someone in LA. He heard Bar Gutman.
There's another bar gutman in that lives
in Hollywood that posts also on his
status. I'm not the only guy.
>> Wow.
>> So, you know, it's not I can't say that
I it's not me. I I am I am involved and
I am helping and I am pushing but it's
not it's not it's not just me. It's
everyone the people watching it, the
people posting, the people posting on
their on their Bungle County chats. Who
would imagine a Bunga County chat?
>> So, what so where are the efforts right
now? I hear the history. Where where we
stand right now? Is it banned? Is it
legal? Do you feel like your voice was
heard and that the people's voice were
heard? Meaning, is it less now? Do you
feel better where we are?
>> Listen, we may have won the battle that
it's out there.
>> The war, it's not a war against
scooters, but just use that, you know,
the thing. The war against scooter is
not over.
>> Why? Because parents are still going to
buy it. Kids are still going to get it.
>> We're right there. We're m we have to
keep pushing it. But we're we're right
there that there's still a lot of
parents that just don't know how to tell
their kid no. Every kid in my class has
a school. Why should I be different?
>> PE parents
need that, you know, that put, you know,
need that help.
>> Are they not seeing the ads from Atula,
the videos from Atula discouraging
people about this?
>> So I I had conversations with with
people around me and they know they say
I don't know what to do. I said, "You
really don't know what to do." Yes,
there are parents and and and and I I
feel I understand them. I really do.
Let's think in their shoes. You know,
there's not a parenting thing, but
>> you know, you can go and look look it up
yourself.
>> How do they tell that they bought it for
them?
>> They bought the scooter for their son or
the scooter there. Their son took their
$500 from Kaneka Gel and bought a
scooter. He has it for three years.
>> Yeah. Maybe he fell. Maybe he didn't
tell his parents. Maybe his parents
don't know how fast the scooter goes.
Wait for one day to the next. Take it
away. So you have to have this
education. You have to explain. You have
to teach and you have to still talk
about it. And and some parents say why
should me tell the why should I tell my
son? You should do it. And yeshiva say
why is my responsibility? You're
educating your kid. I'm a if you're
in your I'm not the
>> Mhm.
>> So So no, it's not over. Definitely not.
>> I think they really have to go old
school.
No scooter for you. You know what I'm
saying? [laughter]
>> That definitely works. But that
definitely works. But sometimes, you
know, it it could also backfire, which
is which I understand people that say
that it canire,
>> right? So, Numushul and Kir, are you
allowed to drive a scooter? Now, you
mentioned that's a controlled place.
They they have
>> Kir is an animal for itself. I think we
all know that, right? It's the way the
community, the government, it's it's
it's round that town is round different.
And when they make a decision, it's
over,
>> right? So, did they make a decision
against it and it's over?
>> So, is your favorite? Okay. So basically
said this is this is done.
>> This is done. There's no such a thing.
We
>> it's going to take time to implement but
it's basically done. Yeah.
>> Uhhuh. And who implements a Dan Hoola
the the Kahila? How does do you know the
V? I don't know how they did together.
>> Uhhuh. As a community they said I'm
sorry it's not
>> they ran a full-blown thing from all
from all angles but coordinated but you
can't replicate that anywhere.
>> Yeah. I'm just thinking you said it's an
animal for itself as a compliment. Just
want people
>> No. Yeah. I mean like it's a coordinated
effort and they you can't replicate
>> they're powerful. They're very powerful
>> I went to but I I'm not sure. I think
they used to have they're very popular
into the bikes that you sit on the floor
and you
have bikes.
>> No.
>> That's why they had the floor bikes. The
three the three-wheel bikes it's called.
By the way, is a regular scooter by any
means dangerous? We almost forgot that
>> there is there is
>> I mean I'm asking you because not that
you're like the scooter expert but
you've you I always say you you hear the
opinions you you did the thousands of
hours of research
>> is a regular scooter
>> first of all I would just want to say my
opinion with a regular scooter is that
if you have to walk or use a scooter
walk cuz I recently used the scooter and
I had back pain. It was a lot harder for
me to scooter, but that's just me cuz
Zach, but okay, as a regular scooter,
um yeah,
>> look, so the the what I was the
campaign, the the narrative that I was
is really ebikes and e- scooters, um
>> I felt like the more you push you do you
dilute the message, but I spoke to let's
say Dun Rabun and they say, "Why are you
stoping by scooters? Take away the e."
>> Mhm. So I said because the attention is
there and people understand that and it
takes away the focus. I think people
have to understand this is a safety
campaign generally. The focus is on e-
scooters and ebikes but it's a safety
campaign.
>> Um and yeah people have to be safe.
People have to do things responsibly and
yes that includes bikes, that includes
pools, includes cars, includes people
walking on the street, includes
everything,
>> right?
>> Where where can I find the most
dangerous What's the most dangerous
escooter you know of?
>> There are so many. Um, I didn't research
every manel because I'm not buying one,
but there are there are scooters that go
40 50 mph.
>> 40 50 m. And where what what's it meant
for? What's it built for?
>> It became a sport.
>> It's really like people they have
scooters, a scooter collection. They or
they go together, a gang of scooters.
>> Yeah. They enjoy it. It's It's Why did
it become so popular?
>> Why?
>> It's not very expensive.
>> Correct. 500 motorcycle compared to a
moped. It's very cheap.
>> Okay. Okay. Um, there's no regulation,
no licensing, no nothing. So, anyone
that can't drive a car for whatever
reason
>> gets a scooter.
>> Today, I saw someone
>> driving a scooter. I was on the way here
to the thing.
>> I don't want to say what I saw, but you
could use your own imagination. He was
not capable of probably walking on the
street himself, and he was on a scooter.
>> Wow.
Mhm. So, you're saying a lot of people,
they're using this as a means of
transportation, literally. And it took
off like like a firestorm.
>> Yeah.
>> And it it came so fast that these big
the mail clinic and all these people
that would make all this data can't
can't even produce it so fast. It took
off way faster than the
>> I feel like electric scooters are around
for 10 15 years for sure already. No.
>> But not like this.
>> Uhhuh. Because it gets cheaper and
cheaper. Electronics get cheaper.
>> This you probably remember when when
when the ES scooter What was the biggest
issue with the ES scooter? They said it
was the biggest issue. Look at me that
it catches fire.
>> Mhm.
>> Remember they made laws. It can't be in
buildings. It created fires.
>> Oh, okay.
>> That was the hype then.
>> Yeah.
>> 10 whatever it was 10 years ago, 8 years
ago. And you know that.
>> So yeah, it's a relatively new thing.
It's not uh
>> Wow.
>> It's very interesting.
>> I there's I think it's very very
important to address. Um we we touched
the of the parents, right? um they
should everyone should do their own
research. which I think you have enough
information already here. Um the
yeshivas I still think you know I still
encourage you know I don't know courage
but you know every yeshiva should do
whatever they should ask their own d I I
still personally believe that in the in
short interm we need a pause we need a
reset um and then there's also you know
which I don't think we touched enough is
which people always bring up is you know
when it comes to
you Don't tell me what to do. Right? So,
I think people understand for themselves
there certain safety things. We
addressed it a little bit. Let's say red
light, a seat belt. You know, you're not
going to give your kid a motorcycle. So,
there everyone has to have these
conversations. And I think with the
education aspect of it, which I think
we're very very far behind, which I
don't know if we can catch a pass. I
think when you bring everything together
and you think about it from all angles
and the yeshiva pushes on one side, the
parents push on the other side, the
education kids see what happens to their
friends,
eventually something will come out of it
then and hopefully we can uh put this
all to bed,
>> right? Wow. Um I have a few interesting
safety questions for you in general
since you're the guy for safety and
we're approaching
>> someone asked me who who decided you're
the safety commissioner. I'm not
>> Yeah, you could you could be safety
commissioner. I I you know,
>> you know what I'm saying? You never
know. You're helping Clai through.
>> Um, do you There's a There was a topic
Indian. There was a topic of you spoke
about guns a minute ago, but about
having a gun by every sh. Do you think
I'm just curious from one random guy to
another, do you think that that's
important to have uh Do you have a gun
license? Seems like you do.
>> Whatever. I have Okay. Um
I think when it comes to security,
everyone has to be secure. Um having a
shield has its own set of challenges.
There's legal challenges
>> about carrying in a shield.
>> Um there's also the safety aspect of
kadashm which is very very important
people
>> to make sure not to drink if you're
carrying. Okay.
>> But yeah,
>> I mean I know I have a friend that
doesn't carry when he goes to he likes
to drink and he never carries. But
Stamzo on a week that he's not going to
drink or he does carry. Okay. But do you
think it's important to have in our
shoes? I mean
>> I think I think everyone a gun is a is a
a proactive thing when you but the time
you call the cops the story already
happened.
>> A a gun is something is reactive. So yes
I mean I think it there is a form of
there definitely is many that that say
that. Um and I think people I think the
fact that how became so popular in our
community just proves that you know that
it's important
>> right
>> I mean way Jersey City um Jersey City
the Kanek attack I mean that's when
people re really woke up and then then
it was obviously October 7 and then
>> Montreal this week
>> Montreal yeah it's it's
>> crazy few people died
>> yeah Australia
>> yeah
um
>> even if even in 770. You know, today
it's a guy with a car, tomorrow it's
someone else. But it's it's
>> we got to be safe. Um the topic of E6
because I feel like this intertwines. I
wish I would have an EIG expert, but
>> no, because you were Yeah, because you
were saying
>> Ellie Stansky.
>> Yeah, Ellie also addresses community
topics. So yeah, he knows
>> Reb Elli
uh,
you know, he's changed a lot of people's
lives, you know, in terms of everything
all aspect of his life, but yeah, he did
address it. He dressed the the vapes.
>> Um, and yeah, it's and he's helping a
lot of people together and you know,
they're all, you know, it's it's Yeah,
it's
>> the Jewish kids stores, uh, toy stores,
they don't sell these scooters, I'm
assuming. So, Yiannis said put out he
stopped.
>> Wow.
>> To him. A lot a lot of uh shooting, a
lot of losses he said he'll have.
>> Um but uh yeah.
>> Wow.
>> I mean e it people say okay why' you
stop scooters evaping it never ends.
>> It's true but you got you know we gota
we got to focus. Health is a big topic
today.
>> Yeah. If we save one life I think and we
probably did it's already important. But
what the topic of E6 because now you
were saying that the number one issue
that all doctors are talking about now
is the scooters
a year ago was EIGs the vapes and
whatever. So what's the how does that
>> I I I guess they they look they come to
the ER and they see that you know there
you know there's so many the doctors are
saying like you know was I don't even
know which hospital there was a lady
doctor was saying you know they have a
code for you know heart attacks and this
strokes says today when they see a e
scooter like it's almost like a like I
don't know if in reality it's a whole
like they see think oh they got to run
it's it's a serious emergency.
>> Oh wow.
>> So I guess I guess that's what's driving
it.
>> They see the out of the
hospitalizations. They see the amount of
serious injuries and that's what's
driving the
>> Mhm.
>> And the vapes, why wasn't that such a
big campaign? I'm trying to think. I
think it's more dangerous because it's a
lot smaller. Everybody has it in the
pocket.
>> It became an addiction. So if you go
doing it all day,
>> it is an issue. It
>> I think it's because
and he spoke about it again. Uh
Stfansky,
>> he you know that from one day to the
next people you all of a sudden he
didn't wake up. But it's harder to
address and identify.
I think like a scooter you can see you
see someone driving then you see someone
on the floor then you see him bleeding
he's in the ambulance show them vape.
It's not that dramatic.
>> There was somebody that vaped and didn't
wake up.
>> He said and she that a smoker and he the
next morning he didn't wake up.
>> Oh, so you're saying it's harder to
connect.
>> Very rare. Do you see you know how
he died from
>> from
longer.
>> Oh, vape is a longer effect. Yeah. Yeah.
It can take years till you get to the
dangerous part over here. It's on your
streets and it's happening daily. They
had like in one day in two hours three
different accidents. So, by the way, but
that was also I think it was also they
were also making a campaign now about
crossing.
>> So, crossing is a big is the thing you
you look look around. I mean I think
we're all guilty of it to an extent. um
that you know that you walk on the
street and you walk between cars, you
don't you don't you walk against the
light. Drivers are all distract not all
but a lot drivers are now more
distracted.
>> People are distracted. I got hit by a
car walking across the street in FL came
boom hit me.
>> Wow.
>> I was not doing nothing wrong cuz my
light everything I went flying 10 15
feet.
>> Really? Yeah.
Wow.
>> So
all these things are important.
>> What what they're doing in Williamsburg
is very good. I mean it's
>> what are they doing in Williamsburg?
>> They have a whole campaign
to they're saying why it used to be when
we were kids on the gas. How come you
don't hear that anymore?
>> I don't know. I guess that people are
embarrassed to ask why.
>> I don't know. So they like why? It
became a normal thing. The kids walk on
the streets people.
>> Yeah. Everyone you'd be deathly afraid
to walk on the street.
Yeah. Oh, so what happened now that
people are crossing? Right. It's a good
question.
>> Is there an answer? I don't think there
is.
>> I think there's an answer. By the way,
if I have to think of an answer is like
you said, people are distracted.
>> Yeah.
>> They're busy.
No judgment, but
they they just don't get to it. They
just don't think. They're like, "Yeah,
just go out in the grocery, watch how
you cross,
>> right?"
>> Instead of, you know,
>> people on the street itself are also
very distracted.
>> Correct. So, it's a lot harder to ask
somebody to cross you if they're on a
phone or
>> Yeah. He sees his father on his phone
all day. His father is ignoring him. I
should when I see him on the street,
some random stranger, I should ask him.
I can't I can't get my father's
attention when he's on a phone. I should
get some random stranger,
>> right? Wow.
Very nice. Okay. So much uh we learned
so much today.
>> I hope so.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you for the opportunity.
>> And uh yeah, how long are we sitting
here already? It's an hour.
>> Wow.
>> Wow. a closing statement.
>> Yeah. Yeah. What is there anything else
that you want to say? You know that you
thought of saying
>> I ask one question.
>> Yeah.
>> What's your average kid that's
listening?
>> Okay.
Yeah,
>> let me let me say his question just so
the mic the producer MK is asking that
we have a lot of kids listening to this
that's why the podcast is PG 12 13 year
olds I know they're listening young
bkaram young girls and they they are
scooter users we we didn't even address
these people they are scooter by the way
it's funny because
we have a lot of kids. We have a
hotline. We have kids listening to this.
What do we tell them? Like, okay, so Pak
the scooter and what's where do I get
the thrill? Why? Why? Like, okay, I I
want to risk it. It's fine. Yeah, I
understand that four kids got injured or
10 kids got injured and one seriously.
Okay, fine. Things happen with every
sport. Why do I Where is my outlet?
>> So, where where your outlet is um is I
think a community. You can't There's no
one fit all answer,
>> right? It depends who's listening,
right? So, one guy's going to play
keyboard and then, you know, someone's
going to say, "Play something else." Um,
but what they should know and and I
think if they think about it to
themselves, they may they may need an
adult to explain it to them, but I think
they can understand themselves that they
know good and well that their parents
don't know what this is capable of. Did
you know that a scooter can be limited?
Just like you can lock your phone, most
scooters you can lock the
>> speed.
>> Lock the speed.
>> Why would Why would any kid tell it to a
parent? Why would the parent even know?
>> So, I think that they know good and well
that what it's capable of. And I think
they know good and well the dangers that
it has. How many near misses the kid
gets up where they get into an accident,
they just drive away. Hidden runs. Think
about it. Kids are doing committing
hidden runs come out on a daily basis.
>> Mhm.
>> So, I think the kids themselves know how
bad it is. Um I just think they it's
just not being addressed. It's just not
being talked about. And to address the
fact, um what could they do? Um they
could, you know, obviously it's also a
scuffle thing, but on a on a safety
perspective, they can do whatever they
want as long as they're doing it safe.
And the reason why we got here is
because it's not being done safe. So I
think we have to, you know,
if scooters are not eradicated from the
world, which probably it won't happen,
right? it's going to come back in a
safer form and if if it's done in a safe
way and I think we have to just learn
from that I think anything we have to do
we just can't do it to an extreme right
you can go dance by just don't don't
throw 40t up in the air
>> just don't what's had a video go viral
about me saying I'm
think
do things normal we have to be normal
and we have to do things the way the
normal world does it.
>> Yeah. I would talk to my followers and I
would say
be careful. It's your life. Be careful.
It's not worth it. It's not worth to be
even that one in a million. You know,
[snorts] it's funny because um it's okay
to do thrills. You don't have to be
scared of every moment of life.
>> You shouldn't.
>> But amensils aren't safe. Unfortunately,
we you hear these targadas and accidents
and this
>> majority of them could have been
prevented, you know.
>> Exactly. You don't have to do the crazy
I just saw on the news somebody died
from jump bungee jump. You don't have to
bungee jump protocols.
>> Yes. You don't have to don't go in a
lake when nobody is there. Don't go to
the beach when nobody's there.
>> I used to like to go swimming alone. And
I remember once asking somebody and I
was like,
>> I'm an adult. Do I think I have to have
somebody watch me go swimming?
>> And they said yes.
>> Why? Because things can happen. You jump
and you hit your head. You jump, you
lose cons, whatever it is.
>> Especially in an ocean.
>> So especially in an ocean, but even in a
pool. So don't do stupid things. It's
>> you're enjoying the thrill, then I then
you're not the guy. It's irrelevant even
this conversation. But for people,
especially the summer is coming now.
Don't do stupid things. It's not It's
not worth it. Don't play with fire.
Don't play with the weapon. Don't play
with sharp things. Try to be because
that's where my anxious side comes in. I
like to be safe. I like to
>> It doesn't mean that everything is us.
It just means that when things get out
of control, unfortunately, you have to
pull pull back
>> 100%. It's rather to live without a
scooter than not to live with a scooter.
>> The convenience. I mean, obviously
[laughter]
it's true.
Now your podcast like everyone else with
the quotes.
>> Yeah.
>> All right. We're good.
>> Listen, if you have a friend that has a
scooter
and Yeah. You had a closing statement
that you want to say? Anything else you
want?
>> Yeah. I I think the closing statement is
what I've learned from this is that
don't be afraid to voice your opinion.
>> Yeah. and and don't be afraid. And you
say, "How could I change the world?" I'm
not going to say I did. I'm I'm not not
trying to say that. But how could it
make small small impacts can make a
difference? And the people that are are
talking about it and continuing the
conversation and they're doing it
because they care. Those are the people
that are are are getting the credit. And
it's not even only about this. It's
about in general when you if you if you
see something, you know, say something,
right? That's the old old saying. And
and if you do that and and you know we
don't keep our eyes closed simply
because everyone has and we're not
afraid and then you know you know we'll
only uh see positivity.
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