These Prophecies Are Happening NOW | Rabbi Pinchas Winston - Living Inspired

What would you have to see happening around you to convince you it's time to sell your house, pick up and move there to Israel? >> Welcome back to the podcast. My name is Aaron Soil and you're watching Parsha Inspired. My guest today is Rabbi Pinhas Winston who has studied the end time prophecies of Ezekiel. What are the signs that we are in the end of times? Everything in life comes down to context. That's the most important thing to know off the bat that it's amazing how much how much things ideas events change in your mind based upon the context that you you look at them you understand them. So somebody for example doesn't understand how long history is meant to go [music] as far as tour is concerned they think it could last you know for 10,000 years 20,000 [music] years and all of a sudden what's taking place today we're only 5786 so maybe there's another 10,000 years of history to go. How do we know that what's taking place today is just not another one of those eras like World War II people thought that the Msiah was going to come because of the Holocaust uh and then the Romans before that the and the answer of course is context you have to understand when these things happened the Romans the time of the second temple it was only the year 4000 around that time you know it was 240 CE or actually 70 CE and then and that you know and when Barba came around and ribbika it was also still early was the beginning of of what we call Mashiah the the period of Mashiach but it was the beginning of that period. So it could be but still very far away. There's a lot of history that could still be lived out once you you you create that context and all of a sudden everything starts to look different. So for example the Gomorrah the Talmud, right? The Talmud says very clearly 6,000 years the world's going to last. In 1,000 years the world will be destroyed at the at 6,000. Cabal explains that destroyed does not mean a nuclear holocaust but rather it's in the same context as a person let's say who goes from adolescence to a teenager their adolescence was destroyed meaning they moved on so the same thing the world will evolve it'll ascend to a much higher level and that's called destroy in that context and the Talmud says that the first 2,000 years are called the 2,000 years of null and void because during that time people were very ungodly the flood that took place during that time until 2000. Then Aram came along in in 1948 which is quite a coincidence gi given that the state of Israel is also in the in the the western calendar 1948 but he came along in 1948 from creation and in 1948 he started teaching the world about God. So he he began the next period of history 52 52 years later called the period of Torah. From 2000 to 4,000 is called the period of Torah. And in 2448, 448 years into that period of time, God gave the Torah at Mount Si. The temples existed. 2828 something like that, the first temple was built and then 34 48, the second temple was built until 4,000. At 4,000, the Talmud says begins what we call the footsteps of Msiah. And that will last until 6,000. And then history as we know it comes to a complete end as we as we move to the next stage of history as far you know that God created. So 6,000 years is that real? Is that just rabbis throwing a number out? Is it based upon anything? So again, if you know Cabala, it it it's different because you know, even even the Rambam wasn't sure about this the number 6,000 because he didn't learn Cabala. But Cabal explains explicitly, yes, that 6,000 is a fixed number. That is 100% true because the same way that your genes and your DNA dictate your physical existence. You can't really do much about that unless you tamper and do you know genetic uh you know engineering right you will be who you are physically until you you leave this world right and the same thing is true that the history also has a genetic spiritual structure and that is that there are six spherists which are spiritual entities you know and they're the basis of history and there are six of them exactly and each one corresponds to 1,000 years so the 6,000 becomes real it becomes a fixed number We're 5786, right? That leaves like 214 years until 6,000. It's a lot of time still. It's a lot of time. We have to deal with that one. But it's not 1,000 years. Like at the time of of of Rika, there was still 2,000 years left to live. So even though it could have been that the Bara revolt was a messianic movement, could have been, start out that way, he thought it was, he believed it was, right? But in the end it didn't pan out the way that that they they thought it might. He had to abandon Bara and uh and then of course the temple was destroyed and we and everything went you know went south from there. So so it was a potential no question about it. There's been lots of potential redemptions but the later you get in history the less of a potential becomes the more of a reality becomes. You're already holding by this year right 2026 and and and 5786. So the events by definition become end of daysish already just by that by virtue of that alone. Then you have other things like you know miracles. So for example, the the the to the to the to the to the to the to the to the to the to the to the tomud asked the question, right? We have the shon, right? Right. The the 18, you know, blessings we say as part of our daily prayer service, right? And they're organized a certain way. And the Talmud says, why is it that the blessing of the land growing its produce and being successful agriculturally, why does that blessing come before the one about blowing the chauffeur to announce the arrival of Msiah? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Shouldn't shouldn't we announce, you know, Msiah is coming first and then we all come back and, you know, the miracles start to happen and we make the land prosper. Isn't that the way it's supposed to happen? Doesn't that logically speaking? The Gumar says no. The Tal says no. It's telling you that one of the signs of the messianic era that's it's really impending. It's at hand is when the Jewish people come back to the land first and they make it prosper. They make things grow. Now, people point out, you know, there's the green line. What's you know they use the green line politically, right? But why is it called the green line in the first place? Because everything on the inside of the green line that we took over grows. It's green, right? We made we literally made the desert bloom that the prophecies spoke about, you know, 2,000 years ago, 3,000 years a you know, a long time ago. These are incredible prophecies that when when they said that, you know, people, what are you talking about? What what are we talking about? And here we are watching it actually happen. And the the Talmud was closed already by 499 CE. So it was way before the Jewish people came back to Israel, way before all the political transformations took place. And yet they're talking about one of the main signs that that Messiah is at hand is when the Jewish people make the land prosper. Now the problem is, and this is always the problem, is that things happen in increments. They happen in in a way that's miraculous but not it's one thing where the seed is split, right? Like you you see that happen and and immediately you know that's not normal. That's something to look at like a a bush that's not burning, right? That's something to look at and to examine, right? But when when you you come back to the land and you literally have to drain the swamps and you start to you know you know reclaim the land and recover areas that once were considered to be completely unplantable and you start to use technology to make it work. So all of a sudden now you can grow things in in in uh hotouses and things like that using special irrig irrigation techniques. So people they admired that. They go yeah that's that's amazing that you can do things like that but they lose the miracle. They don't pay attention to the miracle. It's no different than the body, right? There's a billion things going on. Somebody once asked the doctor, you know, why am I sick? And the doctor answered by saying, don't ask me why you're sick. Ask me why you're not sick more often. That's the question. If you know how many things are going on in your body every single second to keep you healthy and how miraculous it is that they all work properly, you know, including your heart and things like that, right? You would you would be astounded that you could live from day to day and yet here we are taking it for granted. We make a blessing after coming to the bathroom. But how many people really think about that blessing? I mean so many times I've made that blessing and I barely had my mind on it because take it for granted because it's there every day. The same thing we're watching miracles take place in this land. Let's go back a little bit further. Right. in 5500 which is 1740 the vila go on based upon the Zohar because the Zohar says that as of 5500 because every every millennium corresponds to a day of creation that's what we're told right so the first day of creation is the basis of the first millennium and therefore the sixth day of creation when Adam was you know was created and the sin of the dust tree of knowledge of good and evil is the sixth day corresponds to the sixth millennium so he the zor says says that when you hit 5,500 that's like that's like sunrise on day six. Now day six is unique. It's not like day five because day five just leads into day six. Day six is what we call air of shabas, right? It's it's the afternoon before shabas. You have to start preparing for shabas really from the morning onward. Yeah, you can do later later on in the day also of course right people do on Thursday but at least from sunrise we call that already air of shabas you have to start focusing your mind on shabas to get ready on time because when the sun goes down that's it it's over so so the zohar says that that is the basis of history at the end in the sixth millennium just like at at sunrise in the morning you have to start getting ready for shabas likewise as the 5500 you have to start getting ready for the messy IC era and the world to come. That's got to be the focus. So the vnagon I mean this is that was around since rebar taught it going back a long time back the second temple period. A lot of people knew about it but the villagong we call the gr right he took it seriously. So at the age of 20 he decided to focus his attention on gathering the exiles back there to throw. That was his that was his mission. He obviously did other things too. He lived until 70 I believe, right? And he was he was teaching Gomorrah, Cabala, everything. But he put together a small group of students whom he trained and gave instructions to go back to the land of Israel, which at that time was literally a death trap because there was no food. There were marauders. He was owned by the Ottoman Empire at that stage of the game. Right? It was a dangerous mission to do. But he believed it had to happen. They had to start the process of gathering in the exiles. So they were the first ones. So they went to Israel and they began to settle around you know you know the old city and and eventually you know mayor Shereeim was one of their original you know settlements they developed and then if it wasn't for the mission of the villag go on they would have gone back home because it was so hard to survive with their families there but they stuck it out. We have streets today in Israel named after these people because of their self-sacrifice. And they did an incredible job of of of you know dealing with the problems and and holding off the enemies. And eventually it began to grow. And then you have from that point onward waves of aliyah. Which which people have waves of aliyah to their country or you read that but how many nations in the world can boast that if thousands of years have been away from their land that their peoples are starting to come in from all around the world right in the beginning wasn't so much America but but you know places like Russia other places people are like and you and you look at the in the in the books look in in Wikipedia and you look up ways of aliyah and they'll tell you how many people actually came from which country in which year you know and and okay It's history. You can't argue with history. You can argue about what might be coming in the future, but you can't argue about what happened in the past. But you have to think about it, right? That if if it wasn't prophecied back by Yyahu and Yezco, right, and and Isaiah, you know, as all these prophets, then we could say it's it's an interesting thing only. But the fact that this was spoken about a long time ago before anybody could have possibly have known the the future of the Jewish people thousands of years in the future, right? You can't just take that in stride. That's a huge sign. It wasn't happening in Rabbi Gibba's time because it didn't have to happen. They were already in the land, right? They it was before they got dispersed. It didn't happen in Rashi's time. It didn't happen in Ramban's time. It didn't happen in in you know late you know the later rabbis Rabbi Kebe Edgar's time you know or other rabbis of the last couple you know thousand thousand years but here in our generation already so close to the end it's happening as prophecied way back when and the land has been developed as prophecied way back when in that context all of a sudden and just as a side point right until maybe a up. We always knew that Iran was a was an issue was going to be an issue. They were funding Hamas, right? They were funding Hisbala, you know, they're by they're fighting against us by proxy. We knew that, right? But there was no direct interaction with him, per se. I'll tell you, the first time they sent missiles here and we went and you know that was hugely significant. The trouble is is that then it it stops and it slows down. But people make a mistake. The mistake they make is that they think when the the war ends, that's it. That's the end of the war. You know, in a safer Torah, you have what's called and stumas, right? You have pays and s, right? They break up, you know, the Torah into sections. So, the rabbis explain what are they doing there? Why why like why is it broken there? So, our our commentaries tell us because Moshe needed time to think about what he learned. So, God would give him a break. He's human. I mean, he's he's the greatest prophet that ever lived, but still human. So God would give him some time to integrate what he was taught. That's what these breaks are about. That when when these wars stop, you can already ask yourself the question, gee, I wonder when it's going to happen again and how much more intense it's going to be. Because we do have this final war of Gog and Maggog looming over us, the third one of three, right? And and we know that certain things have to happen at the end of history. One of which is the Jews have to come back home. Every last one of them whether they like it or not. Those who survive it and on top of that we have to rebuild the land. In fact the gone identified three things that have to happen that because we have two mashia right we have Mashia and Yseph and Mashia Ben in preparation for the final redemption. Three things have to happen. One we have to we have to get rid of Amalech from the world. Who is Amale? Amale was a nation back at the time of the Torah. It doesn't exist today as a nation. But we're told that Amalech is a philosophy. It's a way of looking at the world. It's it's it's anything that causes doubt, you know, in the reality of God in the minds of people. So that's got to go. We got we have to bring godliness and god god uh god consciousness to the entire world. Second thing, we have to rebuild the yishu. That's that's something you could take the next half an hour just to talk about. I mean I came here in 1981 or something like that. It was already quite developed but not nearly like it is today. I mean the the country and that's with a sword in one hand right just like when they built the second temple we're told you had a brick in one hand and a sword in the other to fend off the enemies. We have developed this country with the help of God miraculously to become so incredibly you know you know uh beautiful and functional in without the resources normally that people have without the safety that people have but again it takes place in increments so people they marvel at what's been done you know when I saw the first time I saw the new Ben Bengurian airport it was actually on the highway coming back from somewhere I hadn't seen it yet you know and I thought to self, you know, what do we need it for? All these other countries and nations were building big huge airports because they were having tons of people go through the country, you know, like London and and the states and things like that because so you want to be you want to be like at the top of the list. You want to be one of the most beautiful airports. They actually rate airports in the world. So you want to be on that list, right? So Israel was trying to get in there somehow making a newer airport and I realized no no this is for Kibbut's Galas Hashem in advance of the final you know in gathering of all the final exiles he's already building the airport in advance because we clearly don't need it not for now you know and and this has been going on the entire time right under our nose now we still have to deal with two two other important certain issues. One is that again what's the framework that makes this this our our time period so unique as opposed to others and second of all how do we know that there's not you know still 214 years that's more than one lifetime you know especially if you're already in your 60s and 70s you're not going to see Msiah who's going to come 100 years from now how do we know that we're at the end so again it's it's inside information that you have to know and and that is that the Zohar brings down and a person could ask the question who knows the zohor and say well the zohar you know zohar is something that we don't understand so well and there's lots of things in the zohar where it says something and maybe it's not literal so how do we know this is literal so the leashes who died in 19 1926 was one of the biggest cababalist in the last hundred or so years he actually was the grandfather of the the postador who died about 10 years ago something like that right and he had the respect the Kazan the the everybody knew that he was the person you know he had that understanding he wrote about this that's risings and he mentions that according to to tradition that that we have this concept called right the resurrection of the dead one of the 13 principles of faith is that God is going to resurrect the world people are going to be resurrected from the ground once again it's a hard concept to accept in our generation because we never see things like that. Although it does take place every day around us and on different levels but that's what's supposed to happen and according to the Zohar that's the last 210 years of history is that and prior to that is 40 years of Kipus Galos. So >> meaning the in gathering of the exile >> the in gathering of the exiles right so if you know that's 250 years right there. So if if this prophet this is written again over a thousand years ago in the year around you know 2,000 years ago or at least was taught at that time. So 2,000 years ago it would be meaningless because 250 years could be any time between then and the end. But now as of 1990 we reached the 250 mark. There's no longer more than 250 years of history. And yet the zora is telling us you need 210 for meim and 40 years for the in gathering of the exiles. So that would mean that we're in that 40-year period of time approaching the end of it which again makes everything very messianic. Even more interesting is you go back in time let's say you know 210 is actually is four years from now right but you go back in time 40 years from from from the beginning of that you get to 1990 right? Anything significant happened in 1990991? Well, just in advance of that, we had remarkable experiences. We had operation Solomon and operation uh what was the other one called again? I forget. We brought all these Ethiopian Jews, you know, in in emergency situations, you know, quite uh quite heroically to air Israel from from from Africa and and uh and that's right over the time of what's called the in gathering the exiles. But as in 1990, something really interesting happened and that is the war in the Kuwait invaded sorry Iraq invaded Kuwait. It was a suicide mission. What were you thinking? You had to know you're you're going to invade a a very important small state but a very important state in the mouth of of the the you know the Red Sea there, right? I'm sorry the Gulf of the Persian Gulf, right? It's oil wealthy. It's friendly to the West. It has tons of gold, right? It's a very centrally respected nation amongst the the Arab the Arab countries. And you're going to invade it and think you're going to get away with it. Of course, the Americans are going to come across the sea and and fight it back and they're going to be a coalition with the British because they don't want you there, you know. So what happens is that the Americas are forced to do operation you know you know desert storm and come all the way you know and again out of nowhere we have we have an expression by the way we actually say it's part of our prayer service hal on on holidays and it comes from king David and it is this is from God that which is wondrous in our eyes so the question is everything is from God so what do you mean you only that which is wondrous. Even the things that are not wondrous are from God, too. So, King David was saying, "No, no, you're right. 100%. It's all from God." But when something stands out and makes you say, "What is going on? How could this possibly? What was he thinking?" That means it's overt divine providence. So, what's the difference? Well, covert divine providence is what we live with every day. God running the world from the background, right? In the background, you know, you don't even notice him half the time or most of the time. But overt divine prophets like the six day war, right? When something's happening that is like so remarkable that you're forced to say it's the hand of God or God's got to be involved as divine prophets, a miracle type thing. So this is one of those things this war, you know, the world didn't see it coming and all of a sudden of nowhere it takes place and next thing we know we're involved in this war, but people failed to realize the main impact of that war that we're still paying for this very day. changed everything, transformed everything. Not that they they they got Kuwait back from Iraq, not that they got rid of Saddam Hussein or supposed weapons of mass destruction. That wasn't the issue. It it transformed American politics. Why? Because in order for the Americans to be able to go into into Iraq and carry out their war, they needed a ground base on that part in that part of the of the globe. They could use Israel because that would be considered an an active war of Israel on the Arab countries. That would be a real a mess. They needed some they needed an Arab state to land on. But the trouble is they're fighting against an Arab brother. So how's that going to work? So they eventually made a deal with Saudi Arabia to use Saudi Arabia as a base for planes and and and tanks and things like that which helped them to to fight the war successfully. But there were conditions. the conditions were because the Arabs had to be seen as as also gaining something from this. So therefore they said we'll do it if you impose upon Israel no more building in Yehuden Shamran they didn't call it that right but Yehuden Shamran at that time the housing minister was Ariel Shiron right who was a hawk things like this and building it translated on by Gushkat but this is what he was doing there right and we can't be involved in the war so until that war Apac whatever they asked for they got what they always had the ear of the Senate or the House or the President and it drove other people who didn't like the Jews nuts because no matter it's like literally a spoiled brat from their perspective. The first no that we officially got from the American government was then when we said that we have to keep building and Yehuden Shaman and the American government said no. And that was the beginning of the downfall of American Jewish influence in American politics, at least on behalf of Israel, and the beginning of the rise of Arab influence in American politics switched that war caused the transformation. Now, why would that happen? Why would divine procy fit for that happen to happen? Because exile is coming to an end. You see the Jews really are supposed to come back on their own. But there's a rashi in Dvari that says at the end of days it says difficult is the in gathering the exiles more than splitting the sea, more than creating the world. So difficult it is. Why? Because it's going to be as if God has to literally go and take each Jew by the hand and bring them back. Like a little child who doesn't want to come back from a party, right? The mother, we got to go. No. Got to go. No. Finally, she grabs the head and she she yanks the child out because it's time to go, right? But we're we're we're rooted. We're we're invested completely invested. We weren't told to live as if one day we might leave. So, as a result of that, we're very stuck and we're constantly and in Europe in the 1930s, exact same thing. We see the dangerous sites. I mean, I talk to relatives. I talk to friends living there who were hard cells 20 years ago who are now complaining to me about the dangers they see, you know, around them in communities that they're growing up in and living in. They're worried about the future of their host countries in terms of how they're going to treat the Jews. But are they moving? No. Because it takes a lot to make people change their way their their mentality, their way of thinking. So that if we don't do it, then God does it. So how do you do that? by making that comfortable comp you know you know country less comfortable and he does it in increments in stages and those are the signs the you know some people see them early and they respond I'm not staying around to see how this plays out and they leave already others they hang in they hang in just a little longer just you know I once asked somebody not just one person I've asked several people because this is what I talk about a lot of times fine Okay, I hear I understand. I empathize why you're not going to move. But let me ask a question. What would you have to see happening around you to convince you it's time to sell your house, pick up and move to Israel, if that's what you would do, right? And the person thought about it and when they began to describe to me what they needed to see, I said, "Well, you know, when that happened in Germany, it was already too late. When that happened in Europe, it was already too late." Right? If you have to wait to see that level of anti-semitism, that much danger around you, A, you're not going to be able to sell your house, that's for sure, right? And certainly not for any money that's worth it. And B, you may only leave with the shirts on your back if you get out at all. So, so think it through again. Like maybe you should be looking more closely at the things happening right now in history and take and take notes and and be affected by that. This is not this is not the whole discussion. there's so many other details, other points to look at that uh you know based but again it comes down to context it comes down to understanding the basis of Jewish history because because something that that everybody has to understand Jew and Gentile alike but specifically Jewish people we live in our own little slices of time as far as I'm concerned the whole world is my world right that that you know what goes on around me that's all that counts what affects me personally I don't know what's going on one community away necessarily unless It affects me personally. And do I care? Maybe I should, but I don't I don't always because but there's this master plan for history that supersedes all of this. We're just a slice of time. We're just a link in the chain connecting up God at the beginning of creation. You know, what he planned for all of creation and then what's supposed to happen at the end of history. So when you, you know, in the Gomorrah, the Talmud, you don't see much of that. You don't really get you know too many details to fill in the gaps in Rashid. get nothing in in in right you go to you go to school you go to to learn you don't no one teaches these things not even in yeshiva not if you're learning kell things like that you don't get this information so you have to sort of get on your own and if you don't then you're literally left in the dark in 1967 we conquer Jerusalem now every Arab in the world or every uh inhabitant of the land was confident that we were going to run up onto the mountain and build it. And the first thing we did was hand over the keys to our enemies and establish the Western Wall Heritage Foundation, which there's no heritage over there because that wall surrounds the entire Harabai till today. It it's not part of a wall. It's not one wall that's left over. And we've created this mythical uh heritage. There's no heritage of Gulos. There's a heritage that we will have redemption. So right now it seems like every time we move forward like we are going forward the we we've come into the land and the land has given forth its fruit and we keep stopping. We keep stopping and waiting for Hashem to finish the job. We don't >> 1948 people thought that was it. >> That was going to be the end of that was the that was the redemption >> and here we are fighting for survival again. So we in 1940 every time they thought it was something else. Now you mentioned Mashiah bin Ysef and Mashia bin David. Now I'll just go off on a little tangent since I'm I don't know if I'm going to keep this in the interview or not. I might just cut to what the next thing you say. I just wanted to talk to you about this for a second. So um 23 is a story of aiva which is her tent and the tent uh uh where my where my tent is meaning there are two places one is Jerusalem and one is binyamin or you know these two sticks that are mentioned in Ezekiel 38 right >> and these are the separation that existed even in Egypt believe it or not it's it's mentioned that there was says meaning that there was a separation between Rahul and Leia even in Mits these things existed this separation of the you know the people who were exiled with San the 10 lost tribes you mentioned but this division in clasol of the religious and the ones who are in Israel who are not religious and the rest of the world um so this division has always been and it is the messianic time that this comes together. >> I became aware at one point in time. I didn't know in the beginning but uh once I finally found out that you know because you hear about the Jewish people being exiled in in from the first base of mikdash in in 423 B.CE E and then 70 years later the you know because all the prophecies that we're talking about coming back 70 years later and and then you have the story of Purim 70 years later Morester and everything that we finally win we overcome Ham and we come back I didn't know at first until later on that already 52 years after you know the Jewish people were exiled Cyrus you know was Persia conquered Babylonia and he became king and the Gammorrah says in McGillah that Hashem put the rule Mashiach and Yseph into him. He was a gentile. So he couldn't be Mashia and Yoseph. But Mashia and Yseph is also a spirit. It's also an attitude. It's also mentality. You and I can also function as Mashiach and Yseph on some level according to the vagon. Okay. Moment you get involved in kibbus galios or spings you know cabala to the world or anything that the task of Mashiach and Yseph you have an aspect of Mashiach and Ysef and you were told. So here he's doing this and he says to the Jewish people quite remarkably very I mean Akash says to Esther half the kingdom meaning no temple Cyrus or Korish right he says yeah go back and build the temple go back to your lead and build the temp the temple 42,000 Jews answer the call and Cyrus himself gives gold silver materials to go do it an absolutely remarkable thing they do this for two years they get to build a foundation and then he he he recids changes his mind undone Right. And the Zohar says that at that time the wellsp springsings of wisdom above opened up to give the Jewish people the knowledge and the wherewithal to bring about the final redemption. But when only 42 42,000 people showed up their nation didn't want to they weren't interested. Right? Then they closed up again and they won't open again till the final redemption at the end of history. So I I learned it as as a failure. Right? We had a chance. We didn't take it. It failed. comes along to and he says no that's not the way God works that's all they were meant to build at that time because he says there two there always two parts of gula and you actually see this in Egypt what he calls paka and zak they both mean remember god's going to reme remember you right the sign that that yseph uses to tell the brothers how to know when the redeemers come is I think you know he uses a line a pika And that's what Moshe uses to identify himself later on to the elders that he has been sent by God. And he says paka is a very small thing that God uses to trigger the beginning of redemption, but it's not the redemption yet. In fact, it may be so small it may like spark it. Oh, it's over. Just like that. It's like 1948. Getting back to land was no small spark. It was a quite a major thing especially when you given the UN voted and the and the GRA held that such things like the you know the nations voting on it because that's what Cyrus did when he gave us the land back was very important. It's a lot of practics to do with Truman over there. You when you you examine it, you realize it was a huge miracle and had to be part of the redemption process. But it came and it went and the six day war also right an amazing pika but it came and it went. Zahira which is the it's the final stage is what happened when Morai and Esther toppled Hammond and the Jewish people celebrated port. That's so you know Kaneka also there were initial things that happened you know by by Kaneka time to trigger the the revolt that eventually led to the victory you know as limited as it might have been. So he says that's how God always works through history. It's always so Moshe goes down to Egypt says to the Jewish people you're all going to go out right God sent me to take you out and then the slavery gets worse. So in our minds and their minds, right? It's like that's not redempt even even Moshe himself comes back and complains to God, what is going on? I mean, you sent me down to save the Jewish people. Fine. It's like you told me that the Pharaoh is not going to say yes right away. I heard that part. You never told me he's going to increase the slavery and they're going to turn against me as a result of it. And God doesn't say, "I know. I'm sorry. I didn't mention that. I feel bad for you. Don't worry about it. I'll get better." He doesn't say that. He says, "What are you complaining about? You're watching the redemption in process. Your ancestors couldn't see it and you're watching and you're complaining and we're all going, "Wait a second. If you call that redemption, what do you call exile in the end?" Right? But God says that's all part of the redemption process. So that was a hugely important insight that the villain going gave to us that answers the question you're asking and that is that there's always two parts of the redemption. But why why must there be two parts? Why not all at once? Because this this this this nagging gnawing thing that we have to deal with called free will which is not so important to us until we can't have it right until we lose it. We take it for granted every day. But to God it's the whole the whole purpose of creation. The whole reason why he made this world not that it should exist forever but that we should have it for a period of time. Because because the greatest accomplishment and the greatest compliment, the greatest pleasure a person can have is becoming a partner with God in the redemption process. So what God does is he triggers he he causes events to happen and the spiritually sensitive the people who who have their mind in the right place when it comes to Jewish history notice it and say, "Oh, oh, it's time. Let me get involved." That's what the villagon did by sending his students to to Israel. there's Israel to begin the the the the rebuilding of the settlement, right? And all of us as well, you know, when I when I first got involved in this this topic, I I wanted nothing to do with it. I mean, I I was writing already and I was already teaching and lecturing, but on the par sharing ideas about about, you know, concepts that I thought were important people to know, but they won't necessarily see them on their own. The moment I heard the word Messiah or Mashiach or anything like that, the hair used to bristle on the back of my neck. I used to like it was like I was so uncomfortable because of all the bad you know you know you know you know uh sentiments that people had towards the Messianic era and false a size and things like that. So I I didn't want to get involved at all. I literally was forced into it because I I began to see more and more sources that talked about things and I began you know when I first met Aliyah in 1993 officially was actually here earlier than that but I actually came back for the for good in 1993. I was of the attitude teach his own. I want to I need to it's important for me as a Jew to be nurse Israel. You don't want to. That's up to you. And I think you're missing out by not coming. Uh but but I understand if you want to stay there. You have a nice shuel nice nice job and you're doing a good job keeping Shabas where you are. Fine. And who am I to tell you to come? But then I began to see the sources and I began to chart all the events on a timeline and I realized we don't have time anymore. And that kind of like it compelled me to start sharing those information because I started to see how these things were picked. I didn't know what they were at the time, but I began to realize that these are things that we have to pay attention to because God is and this is really what what uh what Morai, you know, says to to Esther, right? Esther, I'm not so sure. Do I go in? I don't go in. The king doesn't want me. They're going to kill me. You know, I was like, you know, what what do I do? So Morai says the most astounding line. He says, he says, "Listen, lady, you know, you may be the the queen right now and think you're safe in the king's house, but you should know that God is bringing the redemption, and the only choice you have right now is to be either be a part of it or be excluded and be and be lost along the way." So, she heard that, she got involved, she took the risk in the end. That's that's what this it's a you know we don't have a morai today to tell us that but but but the events do all the things going on you know and you know even something like like you know President Trump becoming president who who could believe such a thing could have happened you know and it did and and what's happened since then and there's so many things going on in history that don't make sense other than the fact that they're product they're part of prophecies and whatever they are and whoever they are we can't invest ourselves in them. But what we have to do is do know what the Gro told us to do and that is is is use them as an excuse to now propel ourselves to get involved in the redemption process so we too can have a role in it. You know he he goes one step further, right? He says for example, why is it that Israel always seems to need money and they turn to American Jews for the longest time and Canadian Jews and you know diaspora Jews for money, right? It makes us it seems like you know like beggars you know you know why can't we be in our own today we're doing quite well for ourselves it's amazing how far we've come but the gra says not because you can't make it in Israel not because we can't make it work not because we can't be successful in our own right he said but during the redemption process the people living is in Israel can be part of that process hands-on they're living there building houses there they're they're they're living in those houses. They're learning there. They're they're spend buying and selling. So, they're part of the process. But what about the diaspora Jews? How will they be involved in the gula process from 6,000 miles away? Through their money. Through their money. So, as a result of that, Hashem made it, God made it that Israel needs the money so that their money can come here and help them be part of the prize. We're actually doing them the favor according to the villag by taking their money, not them by giving it to us. We have to be grateful for it, but we're giving them the opportunity. So now if that's true, what happens a when the economy changes and people all of a sudden start giving less and Israel says we're doing pretty good on our own. I mean, for the first time, we're talking about making our own planes. You know, we're talking about making our own, you know, products that once upon a time we were completely dependent on the rest of the world for. So, again, that's that's history. It's, you know, things happen. You know, that's that, you know, over time that will happen. No, no, no, no. That's God manipulating history to tell us that era has come to an end. The era of the paka, the era of the the the preliminary acts of redemption, that's coming to an end. We're moving now into the zahira aspect of it. >> What's frightening is that if you read the end of go in Ezekiel 38:39, it finishes off that after the war then all of a sudden Jews start returning to the land. Meaning that there were Jews in the land before go but not everybody. No. And if you look in the malum, one of the commentators, one of the one of the seven uh portions we read of prophets in synagogue and in the coming weeks, we're going to be starting to read these and is referring to that Cion is crying out to the exiled Jews and saying, "Come back. Don't you realize it's happening? Don't you see it?" And make no mistake about it. uh Iran at least the Shiite 12ver Muslims who are in the leadership over there are witnessing they are a messianic death cult and they are witnessing what's happening they are witnessing all these signs that you've said they all know this and I know this because I've listened to their videos unfortunately I had I listened to their videos and the only argument they have is that we're forcing the redemption >> that was the the the you know the video with three and a half million views in six days. That was his argument and he and he's he's got a following. >> His argument was is we're pushing the redemption. Now my final question is can we ever push the redemption too much >> or is that just because like the Torah is just the book of the Jews refusal to enter? If you look at it from the perspective of eratrol, it ends with us not entering. Meaning the entire book is a lead a story of a people who didn't enter the land because Joshua brings them in and that was what that was their not um um maid eldad and maid that was their prophecy that was a prophecy of go as well the the the commentators say and that we're saying that >> Moshe dies and Yeshua takes them in and it's clear that the entire Torah is the story of the Jews refusal to push Msiah forward and my or come to my question is is why why why do we continue to refuse to go into Eritis >> so since since you mentioned the Malim >> okay I forgot about this but you brought it back to my mind once again it's a very important malim it's on on on Yahu Jeremiah right you know chapter 31 uh the verses are 15 and 16 and he's describing ing how it's going to be at the end of days when finally Mashiah is here and we're starting to come back to the land and how how you know everybody the the injured and the and the healthy and the pregnant and the elderly everybody's going to come back you know who's alive at that time and uh he makes two references in the verse Yahoud does right one is to is to is to Yakob and then the second time to Israel which is not unusual because we know we they're often interchangeable but Gomorrah says they are they are still interchangeable and uh it doesn't catch most of our attention, but does catch the Mim's attention. These are the Mimi, right? And he explains that it's not incidental. It's not accidental. It's for a reason. He says and and he says as a prophecy, like it's not a prophecy because it's not a prophet, but he he predicts based upon the prophets. He says this this verse is telling you at the end of days the Jewish people will be divided between two groups. One is going to be called Yakov and one is going to be called Israel. And it is YaKob is the name of the Jewish people in exile because that's where he was called until he came back and he got the name Israel. And Israel represents the fulfillment se the idea of the Jewish people reaching their full potential as a nation. Even though we use it still, but it's a work in progress. Yakov got to that level. His brother, his sons did not. And we the rest of history has been you know you know coming up to you know get up to speed with Yakov himself. So he says that what's going to happen he says at the end of history the the sheboot the oppression of Jews will finally come to an end. And after being murdered and killed and everything, same thing, murdered and and disgraced and and and violated and completely abused all of a sudden because the verse says it, we're going to find ourselves at the heads of nations, which we're going to have jobs, you know, vice president, you know, all after being rejected completely by the gentile societies that we were living in, all of a sudden we're going to have prominence and we'll be able to be successful and live, you know, shoulder-to-shoulder with our gentile neighbors has happened all across the diaspora in most places certainly in America and Canada place like that. So he says and and the the ones living in the diaspora will say oh this is enough this is redemption enough after all this time that we can finally live amongst our host nations and be successful and not to worry about looking behind ourselves all the time to see who's coming after us. That's as far as we're concerned that's redemption. and and this small component called Israel will say no it's it's nice but it's not enough until we go back to the land rebuild the temple and the the divine presence moves back in it's not called redemption how could you call it anything you know but you know you know exile at that time so therefore the m concludes by saying the verse is telling you that in the merit of that small little group of Jews who call themselves who are called Israel by the verse and who understand that we can use all these advantages to rebuild the bas mikdash to to bring the divine pres presence back to the Jewish people and the world right and their merit the final redemption comes but it's an amazing thing that he makes this distinction and you know he's talking the 1800s we didn't have the land back yet right the Jewish people were were you know scattered but to to to assume that this is what's going to happen the idea of the oppression of the Jews ending in his time was like was so outside the box, you know, and yet he saw it happening. And in 1986, the last place that the Jews from, you know, were were held against their will, you know, as a as a you as a large amount of people was Russia. And all of a sudden, the doors of Russia open up during Paris Strika, which probably only happened for this that the Jews should be able to to get out, right? and they get out and next thing you know we're becoming success millionaires, billionaires, you know, you know, political leaders, you know, the Senate and the House of Representatives and and and Knesset and and the House of Commons, you know, exactly how how he predicted and yet in the in the midst of doing that, you talk to people, okay, let's let's go back. You know this interesting thing that Barl Wine brings down one of his books to tell he brings in one of his books that uh you know after the the uh Spanish community fell apart they were exiled you know the it was a golden era in Spain in the 1400s 1300s for quite a couple hundred years actually developed a lot of the uh important people and great Torah came during that period of time eventually came the the turnaround you know 1492 the expulsion and uh all the you know the Inquisition everything like that. So the Spanish community they had a they had a a record book in those days communities kept record books of things that took place for posterity and uh and they asked the question amongst themselves like why did this happen to them? Why did they forced to lose their wealth, forced to leave their homes and have to you know go into exile again? And they answered first they thought it was their opulence. They went over they were over the top with the money they had. Then they came to the conclusion that wasn't it. At one point in time when they were very successful, they actually asked themselves, maybe God has made us successful, so we should go back to Israel and rebuild the land and and use our success here in the diaspora to get the to the redemption going. Maybe that's what it's all about. And they decided, no, no, we're not going to do that. And they wrote in this book that for all they for all the reason they know, that's why they lost it all. And and they're not wrong because they don't know God says the same thing. Prosperity of Jews in the diaspora only lasts as long as necessary to build the redemption. That's all it's for. >> Actually, sorry. >> It's actually the story of the Jews in Exodus. They were commanded to take the gold out, >> right? >> And some of them used that gold to make the golden calf and some of them used that to build the temple. >> Yes. And that gold was the what was termed in uh the five word letters days a too much money and too much money was was a problem you know and we were we were able to and we specifically had to bring that gold and into the land and raise it up. It's not about and and another example of this was the mirrors that the women used in Mitzim in Egypt. They brought them with them and then they wanted to give them to the temple. And Moshe said, "Ah, that's disgusting. It's from Egypt. It was used for for, you know, for not good things." And God said, "No, that's the most beautiful thing. Taking taking your, you know, taking the weaknesses of Egypt and bringing them up to Arat Israel and making them making them holy." >> That's beautiful. But but the this the main point here is that is that that every all of our success that we have in the diaspora is not so we can have great lives in the diaspora. That's just that's a perk. That's the thing to help bring it's to help uh support and and I'll tell you I saw today that Kakal which is the land organization in Israel has now opened a new division where they're going to be helping communities in outside in the diaspora with security meaning they have funds and this was on JNS news today a couple hours ago that they this is what they're doing they're actually funding and the the question was why are you funding these communities they should be coming they they should He said, he says, "No, they've been giving money for land and we have money. We want to give security to communities in the exile. It's kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy of, you know, let's see how long we could continue the exile." >> Yeah. Right. Right. And that's a problem because that's that's what people seem to, you know, that's what, you know, that's how look people, you know, this diaspora looked at Trump for example. They wanted to go back to the status quo. It's not about status quo. We're we're reaching the end of history. It's time to start packing up. Our success is way is dwindling and waning. Not because the economy has turned down. The economy has turned down so that our success should start to dwindle because that's God's way of saying it's time to go. It's time to pack up. And and history and this is not me speaking. This is Jewish history speaking. You go back over the last couple of thousand years. It's always been the same p I start off by telling you a story. I didn't finish the point how I got into the first. No, no, it was me. I forgot to do it. But the the idea was that I when I when I when I one of the first books I wrote was about Jewish history. I was just trying to connect the dots to see how it was an unbroken chain of Drew tradition and that's what the book was called timelines the first project I've worked on and in the process of doing that I realized one timeline wasn't enough so I thought I'd do a couple timelines so I looked at different topics one of them was anti-semitism and I did a timeline of anti-semitism since since the beginning of the Jewish people you know different places in the world what happened what was all just so people have a perspective on the whole thing and I used a book called anti-semitism the cause and effects of a prejudice. Very just is a very detailed book. Never saw a book like this ever before that goes through all the anti-semitism since the since the second temple period if not earlier. And you can't read it in one sitting, that's for sure. It's just too overwhelming. And I plotted all this stuff, you know, and as I went to this book, a question began to like to to surface in my mind. I didn't consciously think about this, but it started to show up as I read event after event after event after event. I I start to ask the question like why don't the Jews like the the Gentiles seem to see it happening not just because they're doing it but because they start to know you know to you know to focus on it. Why are the Jews always the last to know that an exile is coming to an end? That was the question that I was left with you know like yeah we're such a smart people. We're so learned right? We're we're so capable. Why that one thing that life-saving you know uh awareness why are you the ones you know who don't see it coming and then get stuck and then get killed in the process so I I started to investigate that and that's what led to a lot of other books after that and that you know was basically it comes down to one simple thing we see it coming we see it right but we rationalize it away we're you know all of life is a risk you're always taking a risk to do something walking across the road is a risk, but it's a calculated risk. And you're always trying to figure out, you know, what's the last possible moment I can leave? It's like the stock market. What's at what point do I pull out? So, some people are more cautious [clears throat] and they pull out early when this they know for sure they're going to make money. Some people stay a little bit longer and they might just get out by the skin of their teeth and still make money. Other people, and that's probably the vast majority of people, wait too long. I know a story uh I was actually coming back from my brother-in-law's house who lives in Malio Dumm you know uh which is uh it's uh towards Jordan a large [clears throat] community name and I was coming back out by bus by myself and uh and on the bus to it's about a 20-minute ride to Jerusalem from there and [snorts] on the bus I don't remember how but I I struck up a conversation with uh another person around my age who's also on the us and I don't remember the whole conversation but I do remember the the story the part where he was one of four people who had invested it was the dotcom era people were making great money at that time back in the 80s right you know and and uh the same as the loan you know time and they all decided that they were going to make aliyah together that was their goal but what they were going to do first right because the classic joke at that time was how do you make a million dollars in Israel you come with two right so therefore they were going to come with two million million dollars that they could to be able to have a million dollars here. And they all did very well, very well. And one of the four, the one I was talking to said, "Well, we did it. Hashem, let's go." And the other three said, "No, no, the longer you stay, the more you invest, like the longer you're in the market, the more you're going to make, the more you'll have this to live in." They were sincere. They weren't making it up. They were they were being honest about it. But he said, "Look, I reached my goal. This is this is I I want to go. My desire to go is stronger than my desire to take more money with me. So he actually made aliyah and now he's living there and loving it. What about his three friends? Shortly after the market fell out and all of them told him, you were right. We made a mistake by staying in too long. As a result of that, we're stuck here having to pay off loans and things like that while you're living here. And it was a regret. I don't know where they are today, where they came, but that was back in the 1990s, right? But that's that's that's that that's that sums up Jewish history. That one story sums it up so often. We do see it. We do recognize things are changing. But we just hope it's going to blow over. And it doesn't because people don't realize that anti-semitism is not racism. It's not racism. Racism is a hatred based upon differences. There might be physical. It might be ideological. But you'll notice that like, you know, a lot of Jews in Germany felt they were safe because they considered themselves to be more German than Jewish. Why would Hitler want me? I'm a secular. I was born Jewish. I can't change that, right? But I gave it all up and completely integrated. And he came for everybody. Everybody. Why? Because it's not racism. Anti-semitism, as we learned from Yakavinu, right? Jacob and and Leavon, right? Anti-semitism is God's way of communicating to the Jewish people an exile has come to an end. Ezekiel 36 says the Gentile will look at the Jew and say these are God's people and they've come from his land. Meaning the Jewish people being in exile serves as a disgrace to God's name and the entire and he says >> you know I'm not doing this for you. I'm not doing it just for you. for the whole world, for every Jew and Gentile and Noahide and Islamic and Christian, all the all the people of the world will know that Hashem and the Torah is true. But even even more seriously though, he has God inserts in there and says, >> "I'm not doing it for you, but to end the profation of my name >> because the entire time that Jews preferred to live in the diaspora over once upon a time was understandable, too dangerous to come, too hard to live your whole family and all that, right? But today it's like a father who says to his son, I bought you an apartment, right? And he can move into it, but it's not ready yet." So he says, you know, he shows him the apartment. Apartment's not ready. It's all just concrete walls and no nothing, right? The son says, "I can't live in a place like this." He says, "Wait till it's finished." Right? So the father goes out for the next six months and he and he and he finishes off the place. It's completely furnished now. And the son comes and takes a look at the place. Yeah, he did a great job. Wonderful job. I like where I am. I don't want to move. What's the father supposed to do? He built it for his son, not for himself. How hurt is the father going to be? Right? So in 1948 when there were swamps to drain and there was malaria and all kinds of dangerous things and Arabs to worry about etc etc and Jews didn't come Hashem said okay I understand I understand let me let me fix the place up first right and I'll get back to you soon right and here we are in 2026 and it's a gorgeous country a gorgeous country with so many amenities and so much going on okay we don't have everything everybody else has to have but you can live a very good life and and even though even the issues like Parnasa, you know, it's like we've solved so much of that and it's just going to get better and better as it gets worse and worse and wor and that's why you see the separation taking place. Israel is becoming pushed away even from America more and more and more because we're like a boat leaving dock. It's time to go. It's time to go. And all these are reasons why to back to the original point that we started off with. All these are the reasons why to take the events of today seriously and see them not just as another difficult period in Jewish history, a long history of Jew of difficult periods but actually end of days events, messianic period of time and you have to respond on that level or you get left behind. Rabbi Pinhas Winston, thank you so much for joining us. This has been a eyeopening conversation and uh I thank you again and may we witness the return of the exile and the rebuilding of the third temple the final temple and it will be done obviously with the aclescence of all nations that we'll all want this and see this and God's name will be glorified. Amen. >> Amen. Amen. Thank you very much.