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Maggid of the Masters: Rabbi Benzion Klatzko
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this is the
transmission
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very excited for you to meet rabbi
vincent of glasgow eva classico is one
of the most well-known mcarvin
in the country he regularly hosts
shabbos meals over 50 people maybe over
100 people
takes kid takes groups all over the
world
brazil spain sao paulo gibraltar
obviously israel he also runs a jewish
social platform called shabbat.com
now in partnership with whatsapp so i
thought to myself
if he runs shabbos meals for more than
50 people without even blinking
he must have the seder down let's go
find out
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all right
thank you so much for for having me in
your home
uh under the circumstances and it's kind
of crazy
a pleasure it's a pleasure so so i
i shared with you that we're we're
traveling around
the tri-state anyway uh looking for
uh amazing teachers and mentors uh who
run
the perfect storm and when i thought to
myself of people who run
um unusual difficult um
i don't mean difficult like they're
difficult like watching the olympics
it's like watching your your shot
disabled i have no clue what your
peseter table is like and i'm curious
what what it is
okay um well
first off thank you for uh coming by and
um yeah pace because it's coming up
and the sailors are very very uh
a big focus of our not pacer from here
uh my kids in one voice say that pesach
is their favorite young tiff
and i think the reason for that is
because
uh we really focus on making it a
child centric but not kitty child but
not kitty it's a little bit
different so we don't speak down to the
kids but we
allow the kids to feel very involved so
uh
one of the first things that we do in
this
seder is appreciator warm-up which is
that instead of me
putting out grape juice and maybe some
cat and wine
and crackers instead i bring
all the kids to the wine store and i
give them an allowance
and they choose their own wines and
it it's a tremendous buy-in it's it's a
it's a major highlight
to the point that we were once uh
invited
to spend basic in cancun which sounds
lovely but the kids all said but what
about our wine buying trip
like how do you compare cancun to wine
buying but it's it's a really big
highlight for them
where they're gonna drink four cups and
we try to get all the kids to even
young kids could drink grape juice or
something very very light
but you know or small cups but they're
gonna
drink the four cups and they
they want to have their wines
so like the older the way we work is the
older kids get
25 young kids get fifteen dollars and
they have to divide that between two
wines
they could add on their own each kid
needs to have two wines
each kid gets two bottles one for each
night starting from what age
starting from you know eight nine ten
you know that don't you know i know the
little kids are all choosing
the blue bottle you know the blue bottle
the moscato it's
soda it's delicious but uh i want them
to buy in
they're they're choosing they're
choosing that means everything and then
the older kids to show that they're more
posh and sophisticated they'll go for
the for the
older wines or the dry wines and i
warned them you're not gonna like it
but they they get it anyways and um and
that that's the initial buying
and that that thread
uh winds its way through the actual
seder
so for example instead of just
the father sitting at the head of the
table having the three monsters
every one of the kids get their own
three monsters so
every kid has an awful coma every kid
breaks it during yaka
and every kid has a nice covering
and again it it allows the kids to feel
like they're not
observers and they're not an audience
but they're participants and
they're a seder and it just it just
flips on its head
that uh the idea of running crusader
versus being part of
mercedes so i would say that is
that's number one uh the next thing i
would tell you
is and and cause i'll tell us this
uh uh you know not earlier but later
uh you know there are the the mice
there's one
i got the very things i got it and
speaks a lot about this
that pace is a time that
has the possibility of causing stress
and whether oh no don't put that on that
counter
or oh no you we found a piece of
comments and it wasn't put in the
cupboard what are we going to do now or
oh no we're not going to make katzos
so let's hurry it up and
so the second thing i would say is
we uh we work on being as you say ragua
or sababa or
chillax right very very chill
there's no rush there's this sense of
tremendous calm are you talking about in
the
weeks leading up to pesach or you mean
specifically saturn night
well absolutely the week's leading up
you know you're not going to
cause an amia
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tremendous fear much more so
to prepare a minutes but much more so
when it's something
that has that ability to cause it like
and especially seder knight
so you have to tell yourself yes my
kettle's white
it will not stay white yes the
tablecloth isn't white
it will not stay right yes the mods are
whole are whole but someone's going to
lean on them with their elbow
but it's just the way it is and
embrace it embrace the chill
of the night there's no reason for
stress and
the truth is stress can ruin the satan
for the kids so every
everything you're trying to do in every
minute will be
undone by tempers flaring and being
raised
that's not how hashem wants it
on
they see if there's a relaxed manuka
atmosphere in the home so hey sir
we're you're you're inviting me
of course that we have all over every
time we do a mitzvah
but we're actually inviting
right
and our children that mixes are like an
occasion for
happiness and not the case
infrastructure so i i just i'm going to
put that in because
it's forgot about the minute hugging for
a moment but the
approach is incredibly incredibly
important
um so that the whole mindset is is just
starting from a place of
joy and excitement and and relaxation
joy relax and you also you kind of have
to let go of the end point you're not
driving somewhere how do you balance
letting go and you know okay this is
going to get stained okay i'm not going
to get to do all them and hug him
with you have a purpose tonight and you
have a an educational goal a mitzvah
goal
right so the mix of a goal will be
accomplished
if the classroom setting with the
classroom setting
is one of joy that's how we're going to
accomplish it
to the point that uh
while i used to and i don't anymore i
don't have the ability
i allow my kids to do the the afikoman
altanai
the beforehand
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and the key is that there should be
a separation where we literally feel
like
we have traveled through so we even
had a point for many years to not have a
clock
in the dining room like the time makes
movements left
you know the kids are prepared let's
hear them every time
people have questions let's hear those
questions uh i have a good story i'll
share the story
let's act it out let's enjoy uh
i'll tell you something that we do we're
jumping to the middle of the seder but
just within that uh framework of course
there's a minute to give out
treats for good questions and we do that
with pistachios
we're done with the garlic sauce
pistachios because you want to be like
the rambam
yeah yeah yeah sort of but also
anti-candy
yeah it doesn't stick in the hair okay
we use pillows
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but we do something else that keeps the
children uh
into it and it's a minute one of my
sisters
married in persian and uh
there you go we do that as well we have
the scallions
and the kids love it the kids love it
they love it
sorry i it just for anyone doesn't know
the
persian mean hag is to reenact during
dayenu right
to reenact the sense of of slavery and
bitterness by
actually whipping each other with with
scallions with
long onions and when you say dayenu died
because besides us the jewish people
told them it's real
diego enough while they were getting
whip so we remember that with the
whipping
but of course it keeps the kids very
very entertained
and they can't wait to stay up for you
and
there's just so many of these
opportunities of course many people uh
in college well today reenact the ten
plagues
uh wonderful wonderful to do that um
by uh the avady mahinu we dance around
the table
with the matza around our shoulders
very very epic um some of the other
things that we do for the children
uh we
let's see well when we open the door for
ilio and navi
so we don't just say
but we have a beautiful two that we use
and
after that tune that leads into another
tune and it could take a half an hour or
longer
and it's it's very gorgeous you know we
open the door and
we sing it's uh taken from
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um
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yes
yeah but that's the tune we use for that
and then
we do an old silver summer song he may
or not
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and then just and then it just evolves
into really
beautiful gorgeous dancing and the kids
stay up for that
um without guided we do like many people
many families where each of the kids
becomes another one of the animals
after god the satan doesn't end
but we have a whole series of other
songs that are part of
the german minogue that we have my
grandfather's german and then we
we composed our own song afterwards
the key is to to make
to put your personal signature
on the event because i'll give us the
framework
that's what they do but the idea is not
to only stick to the framework in the
same way that
the idea wasn't to sailor khadodi but
sing it
in the various tunes and if you go to
ashkenazi
one way that's why the uh another way
maybe you want to send it your own way
we we have the ability to
take our personality and
inject it into these menhaden
and just make it mine to be conan
so how far off script do you veer
meaning you you say every word is it
about
being moses you you add things that
aren't in a haggadah or do you use
do you skip things or do you say do you
reinterpret or
so we we don't skip we don't skip back
is uh tanak in in its uh origin
and uh i wouldn't skip there there is
like this
six pages in the middle where it goes to
all the josh's
uh the josh's are incredibly fascinating
and
it was always my dream to actually take
my time
during these rushes just like
where's the relationship yeah you're
like it's kind of so kind
it's an amazing thing to do not say
tonight right right
so we i think the second seder we had a
covensator obviously last year
so the second seder we spent a little
bit of time doing that
not nearly what i wanted to but you have
to know
you know like kenny rogers says kind of
all i want to hold and want to fold them
there's a there's a time that you gotta
just spend your time
and there's a time that uh you
you're gonna lose you lose everyone and
uh
the the i would say the the
the shortcoming almost the crime the
crime of every great speaker
is to bore the audience that's the crime
that's a felon
telling phone so we're at it angle
but okay great i'll say that line again
there's a felony to bore the audience if
you're a speaker
and it becomes a felony to bore your
children
at a at the one event that's supposed to
be
the transmission this is the
transmission
of the heritage because everything rides
on the pay such story
everything if hashem didn't take us out
of the trying
then he didn't give us the torah they
give us the torah then
what are we doing here right traditions
only take you so far
right it doesn't okay drinking four cups
and eating
you know three four cause some of
monoxide and horseradish and more
restaurants
there's a point so if the kids are bored
uh and that also means if you have very
very little kids
who are not going to get it then
put them to bed they're not going to get
it and they'll detract from the kids who
will get it
so that's actually such a difficult
question for me is
everything you're saying all the
examples you gave about uh singing and
dancing
and uh a lot of song and a lot of like
play acting
at a certain point your kids let alone
you have guests who are older
they're looking for sort of like a more
intellectually stimulating
like that that's what's exciting you
know tell me something new like
i want to understand freedom i want to
like dig into clerus what does it mean
to be a bitcoin how do you balance
the the conversation about what does it
mean to be ben koren with let's let's
sing and dance
beautiful so i i think
there are parts of the haggadah that
lend themselves to
discussion perhaps
more than other parts and
if you're running a seder you should be
able to have your finger on that pulse
so for example anya
is a connect connection to gallows
it's a connection to inviting guests
and it's an intro so there's what to
talk about there
manuscript well we again we use
manuscript
to do different languages and make it
fun again
uh we have somebody do it in english of
course so we we understand the question
but the real question is
what do we do manuscript and then we
point out some differences but
the four questions really are one
question
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lends itself what does it mean to be a
slave
what does that mean we would still be
slaves don't the kingdoms
rise and fall civilizations disappear so
why would we think the pharaohs would
still be around and we would still be
slaves
and perhaps some mindset
the idea that uh that we that we say
uh i got that at night so there's what
to talk about uh
the idea that uh that these great rabbis
stayed up all night long
so that encourages us maybe we want to
be like them the idea that there are
four sons
it's very very deep like this so there
are there are triggers so you should be
aware if you're going to run a seder
what sort of is the the the talking
point
as it were for each uh for
for each paragraph that you're going to
say and it doesn't mean that there's
only one there
there's an infinite amount but you
should have at least
yours that if you're running the stadium
you should know what
what do i want to mention over here when
you ask a question
do you already have the answer or are
you leaving it open
um so i usually have an approach
i have an approach i usually it's a
broad lesson i want to teach whether
it's a lesson
about the hospital or
a lesson about anti-semitism a lesson
about gratefulness for hashem
there is there is an approach i try not
to get
too esoteric and too into the gematrias
and
uh i i i'm very uh
very lesson oriented with uh with my
approach
um the kids i know are going to have the
gematrias and the wordplays and
the drushes and that that's all hayley
kathora
but i feel like my my my
uh role is to be the teacher so
when you're starting your lesson plan is
it the same lesson plan every year
or how much do you prepare in advance
for the
the token so it is a
general lesson plan i know usually what
i'm going to stop
very often i'll think of something on
the spot that i want to share it
uh often it will also be connected to
current events i i i do like to
give current events to the torah's
perspective i think it's important
uh we're not living in a bubble and
some some uh
items in the news need translation
through
uh through torah's to through god's view
so i i you know well last year was
covend
uh there was an election going on uh
sometimes there's tragedy in the
community that after
that has to be spoken about sometimes
just amazing things and sometimes there
are things
that happen in our own personal lives
that
uh that can be brought out through
through that this struck me
this entire time we've been speaking you
keep referring to your kids
but i know i remember your chavez tables
having more than 50 people uh like on
average
chavez i imagine your stater table looks
something similar so
i'm just curious how how do the guests
come into the picture
are our guests like children are are or
they're treated differently how do you
how do guests plug in
so in a general year um
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we have one seder where we have just
family we started that
maybe four years ago uh the children
expressed
uh that desire so one one meal just
failing
and we farm out the guests and other
people have a chance to participate in
our mitzvah
the the second seder that we have
we will add the guests and often
we'll have guests that have children as
well as imagine we specifically
invite people that have
that that are divorcees or widows
single parents because we're very aware
that
it's hard enough to run a seder with a
two-parent family
but at one point family to create that
ambiance to create that
homey wonderful feeling it's very
difficult so
we will definitely
pull those children front and center
i will always put my children next to me
that's my mitzvah but next to them
will be the other children and often
i'll become like another parent
to their children of course i'll have
their appearance
because participate but i will include
them
after them come the guests who are
newer to judaism and may not have
participated in the seder
until now so they'll be very excited to
do so
and then the uh i then will have
you know people who have been to a seder
before
they you know they they need to be in
our cedar but
they they don't need to be so close to
the front
to see everything because they pretty
much know what's going on
and as i mentioned when you say next to
the only metaphorical you're talking
about seating plans
yes yeah and uh
and we'll we'll scan them throughout we
have a we have a
we have a very large time development
yeah but we are
and it will now
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that and we include the guests very very
much and
as a matter of fact we uh we we have a
challenge
we i learned this from my father and i i
think it's a wonderful
approach to the saturday when it comes
to the mitzvahs of the seder like
drinking the wine or leaning or eating
the monitoring tomorrow
there are certain children certain
measurements both in terms of how much
one eats
and how long one has to eat it in and
we give a primer every year for how much
to eat and how
long to eat it in and we try to
encourage people
to stick to that often so don't be
dainty about
a little bit of a little bit of wine a
little nibble on a matzah
yeah uh both because that's the outlaw
and because it actually uh
it actually makes the seder more
exciting
the buy-in and people
like they enjoy detail there's a beauty
and detail
so it's not just a sort of a nebulous
fuzzy okay supposedly matzah but no
you're supposed to eat smurf
and it can't be like this but it must be
like that and this is how much you have
to eat and
then we do take out the our watches at
that point
it was okay here's how to do it you want
to do the more mohammed time
you got two minutes keep them on how you
gonna do it in two minutes
well it begins from the swallow not from
the bite
well then munch up a bunch and stick it
in your cheek
so you got a whole cheek to look like a
chipmunk you got most of the matcha
very doable and people are excited
yeah you know we discover this video
game uh creators
challenge people you're challenged
people people love details to tell
stories
the difference between a storyteller and
someone telling a story is detailed
so people like to know i don't know what
to do
they have to lean how far do i mean what
do i lean on
and so we give lots of detail
it just makes the seder fun you said
before that you're just
not in a rush but what do you you are in
a rush because people are getting hungry
how do you balance so um
they're using the pistachios okay
something liberties of the carpets
you're not supposed to
and uh we we do encourage my wife
actually serves a
delicious meal before we open it's just
gonna be a late night
and she puts out chicken and google and
like it's just the way to go
because this way no one's in a rush yeah
yeah
um what's like the classical family
secret sauce that i
didn't i think that's the right question
to unlock
there's it's a concert that works all
year round but uh
much much more so on casa which is
to really learn how to in the spotlight
at the guests and especially the
children
and the kids should feel
like like they're the stars of the show
it's incredibly important
so like it's a simple thing but i've
seen it
the other way and i don't understand it
so
you know a lot of people do the the
templates the marcus
and the other father takes the here's
the here's the
cow and the cow is dying you know
here's the wild animals guess what
the kids have seen it every year they
want to be the ones to do it
so father don't do it get let them be
the wild animals
that's how they are anyway let them
throw the ping-pong balls by bart
let them start let them start
give your you know with the optic common
because
everyone has three monsters so there's
not much of a point in stealing nothing
even though uh the kids still still not
to come
with us but uh but instead when you tell
the kids you know
we'll get you a person you're gonna get
a question you're staying there you stay
you get it we tell the guests we
we made the song called uh
coming to a youtube video near you
and wasn't at the bottom uh yeah
but we tell the guests the famous
classical little stream song if you're
up
late enough you'll be able to hear it
then we make a big deal
i'll give you up for a little should be
up a little smoother now sometimes it's
tough we have actually had a few saddam
that ended by shadows so we had a we had
a minion in the house
so we finished the stage and we just had
broccoli
yeah that's amazing your daughter
described
your starring as as epic broadways
my father's dharm have been something
like an interactive broadway show
there's been a lot of performing and a
lot of
audience participation yeah well a lot
of what goes on
is is very musical there's a lot of
a lot of singing the kids are at
beautiful voices
and they're they're not shy and we very
much look forward to hearing the
hearing the music it's going to be very
epic this year my son's back from israel
and
another song is coming in from lakewood
and they all have
really beautiful voices and their
harmonies just it's gorgeous
um and uh
yeah i i
if if this doesn't say nothing well
i believe in the power of the seder
so strongly that
last year i had covered that i
ended up in the hospital with and and
i was so so sick and i ran both sidearm
with coven and each one it didn't last
till the morning
but each one lasted until about 3 30.
i was sick with fever goods
because i just i didn't want them to
feel ripped off there shouldn't be one
seder that was not memorable
and uh you know i gave it gave him my
all and
that i would say the secret sauce is to
realize
that there's no rush that this is this
is game time
this is what your kids are going to
remember this is going to give them
their emunah
this is going to give them their jewish
pride
this is the time where they're open to
hearing all the lessons
that you have to say from
to to the joy of the inner strength and
don't don't shortchange them
buy the best food by me you know i
bought backers for all the children
beautiful cups don't give them plastic
cups
we spend so much on our kids education
yeah that's right
anything else like what um yeah
i i'll just throw in one one
so we say in our
specifically in that order because the
mon
reminded us what chapters because they
didn't get the one on chinese
so if hashem had
given us the month which was one
tova for us uh it fed us
but it was my other toy for because it
didn't reveal shabbos dying
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but the idea of shabbos as a gift
all by itself reminds us
that that the shabbos remains the makara
bracha
even in the story of uh
of yetis ryan
meaning the story of it's kissing trying
hashem took us out and that was
wonderful
but the idea of hashem taking this out
only has validity because hashem made
the world in the first place
and it's hashem who is the boss to the
side
who goes out and who stays who inherits
eretz israel who gets kicked out
and that's why we say
every shop is kiddish zeke let's see
isn't trying
actually there's nothing on childhood
stuff zacchaeus isn't
trying nothing what do we do on
childhood executives
how is shabbos zechariah
but they're intertwined shabbos uh
hashem making art making the world
creating the world
and giving their shabbos are intertwined
the same hashem
that runs the world that owns the world
is the boss of the world and to the side
you all will take out a new order
you i will bring into eric's israel and
that
explains the rashi the very beginning of
the torah and
why does the torah begin with
with voracious or should have begun
to remind us that the entire point of
the entire
permission that we have to come into
eric's israel is because hashem made the
world
so we need china's it's that source of
brahman so
bear in mind that of course we do have
shadows with spacer
it's gonna be the last day uh you should
enjoy it
i appreciate it and uh and uh
just let it be a memory that our kids uh
cherish and pass on to their kids
this was awesome thank you
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