War, the Temple & Redemption: 1,000 Days After October 7 | Land of Israel Guys Podcast

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Israel Guys, where we believe that a world of anti-Israel propaganda, Jew hatred, you ought to have a direct connection to the Jewish people, to the land of Israel. We're here to bring that to you today. Now, we've got an awesome uh layout here today to talk about a lot of stuff. Um, as you know, Luke and Ari, old faces. All right, Josh Wonder um is here joining us. Jeremy is on the road traveling across America. We're wishing him much success. He said he was going to send a video in. I don't know if he did that. We'll we'll >> if he sends one in before we finish. It'll play right here. >> There we go. Okay. Uh so we're still waiting to hear from Jeremy, wishing him much success on the road with his family. Okay. Josh Wonder if I was to say um we've known each other for a while now. Um and I was thinking, how do I want to introduce Josh? And then I thought, you know what? I would say Josh is an activist, but I'm not exactly sure what uh area of activism I would put you in. live on um the Mount of Olives, which automatically makes you kind of like an amazing Jewish guy that's like living in there's not that many Jewish people living on the Mount of Olives. It's kind of a I mean that's growing. Um but there's a lot of Arabs living on that side of town right now. Um so I don't know. Would you answer that question for me? What kind of activist would you think you what what is your big points? You got a couple big points. >> First of all, we we have a a very large Jewish community. >> We have actually five thriving Jewish communities on the Mount of Olives. >> Yeah. How many people? >> I live in the largest of about a thousand Jews. Uh when I came to Israel uh four decades ago, there were no living Jews on the Mount of Olives. So this is this is definitely uh we've come a long way. >> Um there is also, as you correctly said, a very large temporary Arab population uh in our neighborhood. >> Okay, you're going to make Ari look great on this show. >> As Jews move from from America, they move out as part of the transfer of populations agreement we have with them. We're just waiting for the Jews of America to replace them. And uh >> you said that so matterof factly. Is there actually there's no agreements? >> I'm I'm watching it happen. I'm literally watching it happen. >> Well, I just want to also clarify it's the completion of a population transfer that happened when 800,000 Jews were forcefully expelled from Yemen and Algeria and Morocco, leaving behind all of their wealth. And I think what Yakov is saying here, I just learned that his Hebrew name is Yakov, is that this is just the the completion of a transfer that that that started then. Is that where what you're saying? >> My name is Jacob Yoseph. And uh yes, the uh if you're going to say it, say it right. At least the the the it's much better than that because we're not forcibly transferring any Arabs out of the region. We're doing quite the opposite. We're we're paying them good money for their properties and they're moving to places where they feel very welcomed like Europe and uh Detroit and places like that where they're >> you're so loaded. >> That's a great way of saying things very uh uh calm and matter of factly when it's like the most politically uh charged thing you could possibly say. Anyway, you didn't answer my question yet. New York City is obviously a huge fan I want to say this. I'm a huge fan of the mayor of New York. Uh, Mayor Mamdani was the aliyah candidate and if anyone can convince the Jews of New York to move home to Israel, it's it's him. So, I I'm definitely a supporter. Um, activists, I I I think that uh that God places me in the right places at the right time and uh and that's what guides my activism. My my business card has my title written as um a redemption expediter. >> See, that's what it is. >> And I that's what I try to to do is to to expedite the redemption. Uh that takes me to a lot of interesting places, including here to the Israel guys studio. >> Well, hey Josh, we're super excited to have your uh commentary on today's show. We're going to be talking about a lot of awesome things. it'd be great to have the redemption expediter on the team with us uh to talk about cuz I mean we we're literally living in some days. Uh we were just celebrating 4th of July together yesterday even though it's not here yet because of the Jewish calendar and a couple things we're we're celebrating early. So we were at an event yesterday together. A lot of crazy conversations, a lot of wild things happening on in the world stage that uh are really going crazy. One of those is well well first off today we're at a thousand days since October 7th. It's kind of hard to imagine that we've already been a thousand days since the war broke out. Uh there's moments of silence uh that was just commemorated this morning, 6:00 this morning. It's a moment of silence. Uh remembering all the victims. Uh today is also the fast of Tamuz. Um all the Jewish religious people of Israel are fasting. So you guys are fasting. Um maybe we should say a few words about that. Ari, >> I said not to do that. I I I can I can answer if you if you don't want to. >> No, I I can answer. I mean, it's connected. >> Let me do it better. Go. You start. Let me do it better. Ari, do you have any thoughts on that? Is that exactly what you said not to say? >> The the everything that we fast about really when you come to the core of it is the severing of the relationship with between the nation of Israel and the God of Israel. And that relationship was through the temple on Mount Mariah. That that was the greatest manifestation of the relationship. It's only when we started to relate to the temple as a building, when we were when we would afflict the widow and the orphan and have hypocrisy and then just offer a sacrifice that it became an abomination. And so the what we're we're fasting these fasts to remember that it's about the relationship with God. And so the 17th of Tamuz is really launching us into three weeks that culminates on the 9th of A when the first temple was destroyed, the second temple is destroyed and many other tragedies throughout history. If you want to >> Well, there are there are five tragedies that happen today. Uh the first historic tragedy was uh predates the temple and it goes back to Moses and it's the the according to Jewish tradition today was the day that the first tablets of the ten commandments were were were thrown down and destroyed. Um that that was the first thing that happened today. Uh the second thing was that the the there was a sacrifice brought called the tamid. It was brought in the morning and in the afternoon every day in the in the temple and that ceased during today. That's that's when it stopped. The third thing was that the the the walls of Jerusalem were breached and this is what most people are familiar with which led up to the 9th of uh of Av where the two temples were destroyed. >> The third was there was a Roman general that that publicly burnt a Torah scroll. And the last is that a a idol was placed in the holy of the holies uh on this day. So >> I thought that was the ninth of a >> no. >> Okay. So I'm going to Okay. So go ahead. >> So so these five calamities happened today and this this this kickstarts this period what we call the three weeks uh which are a period of Jewish mourning between now and the 9th of A. Actually goes on to the 10th of A the following day. Uh and this is this puts us into perspective. I was speaking to Yishi Fleer uh yesterday about this on his his uh podcast. Um in order we have a tradition that those that have that have mourned the destruction of Jerusalem will be present at the celebration of its rebuilding. and to understand to be in this incredible unique part of Jewish history where on one hand we recognize and remember the tragedies that the Jewish people have gone through throughout the generations. On the other hand, we are present presently watching as Jerusalem is being rebuilt is is just it's it's it's mindboggling that we're able to to be in right at this you call the precipice of of of Jewish history where where we're watch we we're like right in between in limbo right right in between the destruction and the rebuilding and as Jews around the world pray three times a day for the rebuilding of Jerusalem we are we merit to be here watching it being rebuilt. So it's it's very special. >> The the point that I want to make is that the it shows it really um displays the trauma of the loss of the temple for us that every nuance it's not like oh the ninth of the 9th of A is when the temple was destroyed when did the siege begin? When did the when were the walls breached every element of it it just shows what an central facet the beating heart of the nation of Israel throughout all of history really is that temple. It's not some sort of crazy fanatic uh topic that just that we have to stay away from because it's too that's what it's all about. It's really all about the temple. And the temple that we're praying for, of course, is a temple. My house is a house of prayer for all nations, all people. And we are the priests in the temple that are there to bless the world. So, I just wanted to clarify that that this isn't just some random historical thing. It's very real to us and it's very raw to us and it's all connected to that temple. >> Can I can I add something to that? >> Yeah. Um, two things. First of all, the the you reminded me of a story actually. was talking yesterday about India's relationship with Israel and when the president of India first came to Israel and he was taken on a tour of the Western Wall Plaza and the Western Wall tunnels and the guide that was guiding him kept telling him about this temple that was destroyed in 70 AD and and the temple this and the temple that the first temple the second temple and at the end he's like I don't understand he's like we have thousands of temples like what what's with this one temple of yours that's so special that you know we we have lots and we have temples on every block like what's what's what's what's this temple? So there there is a significance a biblical significance to this temple where God has chosen this specific spot to emanate his presence from. So, it's more than just a a a an a an a an a an a an a an a an a an a an a an a an an an a a a building that's built a physical construction but it is it is where God's presence to this day even though we don't have a temple yet God's presence still resides in that in that place. That's number one. The second thing is that we were discussing this a little bit on the way is the generational trauma that the Jewish people uh go through and and exists that beats in our hearts. And I think it starts from the destruction of the temple, but it continues and it's it's a great uh connection to to the thousandth day of uh of October 7th because I believe the whole Jewish nation was traumatized. We all have PTSD from October 7th. Different people have it in different ways. We've experienced it in different ways, but everyone has been traumatized. And it is it was a a transitional period. Both the destruction of the temple and October 7th were both transitional periods of Jewish history which has has completely changed the mindset of Jews and and it lives with us daily. >> Wow. That's really great to to put that in that perspective. It's it's a massive shift within the with the state of Israel and the Jewish people. >> Can I read a verse? So Ze Zechariah 8:19 says, "Thus says the Lord of hosts, the fast of the fourth month and the fast of the fifth and the fast of the seventh and the fast of the 10th shall be to the house of Judah seasons of joy and gladness and cheerful feasts. Therefore, love, truth, and peace." So this is today's fast is one of the fasts that are mentioned in scripture. So the people of Israel have been fasting for a very long time. But there's also a positive prophecy about one day in the future, right? So my question for you guys is when does that day happen? what what has to take place in order for it to turn from a day of mourning and fasting to a day of feasting and joy and gladness. And just a little add-on, I think, is that as we've been in the land of Israel for about 20 years now, and you guys have been in the land of Israel for more than 20 years, >> thousands of years, >> um, >> every year it seems like we see a little bit more of like the the echoes of redemption, I guess, like like even even for us as non-Jews and non-Israelis who who don't live here, we have a team of people who are out building a farm in Judea like today as we're recording this podcast. And that's like one of the positive prophecies about the land of Israel being restored and the nation of Israel being restored. And that's like that's just our lone little tiny example that's happening times, you know, 100 hundreds of times all over the land of Israel. So Israel is being restored like physically according to the prophecy. So where and when does this prophecy uh tie in? When does it turn from a negative pro prophecy about being a fast in the day of morning to a positive? >> I think Ari has something to say. >> Yeah. your blessing. I feel particularly passionate about this because you can understand that saying when the temple is built, they will be nullified. But why would it be turned into a day of celebration, right? So I can only just say on a personal private level, I went out on one date with my wife when we were 28 and I broke up with her because I was blind and I was a fool and I didn't see the greatness of who I was sitting across from. 10 years went by. You guys know what that looked like. It was pain and heartbreak and tears and really difficult time. But I celebrate that because I I know that if I had probably if I married her when we were 28 on that one date, we would have gotten divorced because I was not who I needed to be. And those 10 years transformed me into helped me evolve with God's help into the person who was just worthy enough to be with her. And now I celebrate those 10 years because it led me to where I am. And that's the idea that the destruction and all we've went through throughout history has been part of forming us into the nation that can actually be vehicles for God's light in the world. You were talking about October 7th. We just came out with the War of Redemption, which that's the primary message that that war, as painful and difficult as it is, I believe we'll look back at it as the final defibrillators that woke the nation up to who we are and what our mission is. And so we'll ultimately that's what redemption is redeeming all of the sadness and the tears and the pain. And we see why God led us through that to become who we need to be to be able to really be vessels for his light in the world. One of the most famous Talmudic passages which every kid Jewish kid grows up with is from the final uh page of trackctate Makot and it describes a story of one of our greatest sages Rabbi Aka and his colleagues and Rabbi Aka and his colleagues are are on uh what today is called Mount Scopus and they look out at the the the temple mount and they see a fox that's running through the temple mount and the rabbis all start to cry and Rabba starts to laugh and the rabbis look at Rabbi Ka and they say why are you laughing you know this is not a funny funny thing and Rabbi Kea turns to them and says I don't understand why are you crying so they answer him and they say we're crying because the place of the holy of holies that this this very special place where God's presence is and that only the the high priest is able to enter once a year on the on the holy day of atonement on Yum Kipur. Now we're watching wild animals running through through this area. How can we not cry? Aka says, "That's precisely why I'm laughing because now that I see this destruction, this prophecy that has come true, I know that subsequent prophecies of the rebuilding and the redemption are also in going to come true. So, I realize that this is just part of the process." And I think that's what Ari's getting at that that we understand that that the Jewish people, you know, I was speaking to somebody the other day that was uh very upset and anxious about what's going on in in in current events. And I told her, you know, it it it doesn't matter because it's like being present watching a a horror movie or or something that that's scary. You know, you if you know what the end is already, so then you're not scared because you you know how it's going to end. We we know the ending. We we have we have it written in the book, right? That exactly how it's going to end. So we we know that it's going to end well how how it gets to that point. Okay, that that really depends more on us than anybody else. But but we're we're we we know how it's going to end. So we have nothing to be concerned about, nothing to worry about because we know that in the end it's going to end in a positive way. >> Well, there's a whole lot to talk about uh on today. Look, Trump just got his plane. Um his little gift from the um >> his friends from Qatar and uh he just I guess the first flight happened. There's a lot discussed about that. But I did because Luke, you um you threw some uh questions in from uh since we're on the topic of the fast and the temple and all these things. I thought it would be great to actually somebody put this question in the comments. And guys, we absolutely love it when people put questions in the comments and we get to actually bring it up on the show. So here we go. Somebody asked this question and I think it's just really super fitting. Um, are there any updates on the building of the third temple? Is that not just the best question um, you know that you could have? It said, "I saw there were red heers born in Israel, but it's been a minute since I've heard any new uh, anything new about uh, the temple plans." Is that not a fantastic question? >> You have the right guy on the show. >> This is like one of the only Can I Can I also add to this, Luke, really? This is like one of the only shows in the world where you can say, "Hey, give us an update on building the third temple." >> The third temple. The I don't know if Josh, this would also maybe be something that would be a positive in the You built these trumpets. I don't know if this is something that ties into the third temple. I think it does. Um, but this is fantastic. Um, anyway, maybe answer that question. You might want to tie these trumpets in. We've got them here on the show. Um, what what's your answer to that this uh this a fantastic person that put this in the uh >> Great question. And I'm not sure that we're going to have enough time to go through uh the answer on this show. >> The short version, >> the short version. Um I'm actually writing a book on the subject. Okay. >> It's called uh the book is called Practical Redemption, a a step-by-step guide to the final redemption, practical gula. And uh part of this book deals with all the dozens and dozens of different projects that are currently happening right now in Israel that are connected to the final redemption. >> Um unbeknownst to most people, right? So most people know about one thing, you know, the red heers, the the third temple, the this that. There there there's no nobody that I know of has put it together, you know, in one source that you could see all these things happening because once you see that the pattern of all these things happening right now, it becomes just obvious that that we're living in in a very very unique time. >> Can you actually talk about the stuff? >> Some of them yes, some of them not. Um but uh I was doing another podcast recently where we started going through them. I had a list of about a hundred different things and we got through about five of them. So, like I said, it's it's not something you can do. >> Are those the top five that you're excited about? >> No, I just they were just randomly. I'm I'm excited. I'm excited about all of them. >> Give us some new ones. >> They're all exciting. Um, so first of all, maybe your audience is not familiar with this and I happen to write a book on it, so it's it's probably worth uh what you want me to blow this, >> dude. Go for it. Why not? >> Because it's going to blow everybody's ears out. >> No, go for it. That's awesome. I sure hope that picked up in the mics because that was fantastic. >> So, these are um biblical. >> Yeah, >> these are biblical. We have a tradition that uh Jews have 613 commandments. >> Mhm. >> That uh all stem from from bibl a biblical source. And one of those commandments is that one we are uh tasked to to form uh silver trumpets. That's how it describes it in the Bible. Silver trumpets. And they have to be one piece. And they're used for different occasions. First of all, they are used in the temple. And they're used in the temple for all the sacrifices. Different times that they're blown in the temple, but they're also used when we go out to war. Now out of the 16 613 commandments that we have, many of these are not practiced today. Definitely not by by everyone. There are certain commandments that are specifically for men, some for women, some for priests, some for Levites. Uh we have commandments that we Excuse me. >> No water on the fast today. You got >> That's what it is. Plus, I wasn't planning on blowing trumpets, >> right? Um there there are commandments that are specifically um geared to different people and there's commandments that we prefer not to do, believe it or not. >> Are you aware of this? >> Like uh a divorce. >> Exactly. Thank you. Like a divorce. So there is a commitment we have in Yeah. >> He's probably blocking the shot for you guys. I'm going to put it over. >> We have in um I don't know if you're aware of this. King Henry VIII. We we know the story of King Henry VII and he had a lot of wives. He was uh what the only religion that was available at the time was Catholicism. It did not allow for divorce and he started looking around for different religions that did allow for divorce and there's actually in England in London today a set of Talmud of King Henry VIII. He actually purchased a whole set of Talmud. I think only Giten only the one about divorce is the one only one he looked through. In the end he did not go with Judaism but he created his own church. It was probably more convenient to create your own church of England. But um but we have divorces that one of those things which we prefer not to divorce or wise but if one has to there there is a a mechanism to do that. Likewise there is a obligation to return stolen items. We prefer not to steal right but if one has stolen then one has to there is a commandment to return that stolen item. Um there's lots of examples of this. Now there of these 613 commandments, you know, many of them also just have been neglected, have been forgotten over 2,000 years of of exile. And uh and those are starting to come back to life today. An example in in modern days of one of these is is the commandment of Shates, which is a commandment not to mix wool and linen together in one garment and wear that garment. It was a commandment that was learned by Jews throughout the generations, but in the last generations, it was forgotten as a practical commandment. And there was a rabbi named Yseph Rosenberger that opened a laboratory in uh Brooklyn, New York. and he spent his entire life going around the United States teaching people about the practical um um the practicality of this commandment and literally revive this commandment to the Jewish people. So likewise, uh, in the beginning of the war on October 7th, um, I decided that, uh, it was time to bring this commandment back to the Jewish people because the Bible specifically states that this that these silver trumps should be blown at a time of war. And that's one of the the guarantees that the Bible says that we're going to go out to war, we're going to blow the silver trumpets, and we're going to be victorious. So, it specifically applies to where we're living today in this time of war. Although you could argue that war started in 1948 and hasn't stopped uh since the beginning of this the creation of the modern state of Israel, but these these silver trumpets are an important commandment that are being brought back to the Jewish people. So, that that is one example. >> So, you've been fighting in the warfront. Did you bring the trumpets to the to the war? Did you blow the trumpets? >> So, these specific trumpets have gone out to Gaza, to Lebanon, to Syria. Um they've been at they've been in battle the the famous new ultraorththodox uh unit the theim have taken these trumpets to battle. Um in fact uh their their um unit patch actually has a picture you could probably show this on the thing has a picture of the the silver trumpets on it >> on the patch. >> On the patch that's the that's their unit patch. >> That's awesome. >> So yeah, very cool stuff. I just want to mention one other thing that a lot of people have heard about and it was in the question is in the news again this week and that's the red heers. Um that's it's another kind of probably like you said the most famous example I guess of what people know about of how Israel is preparing for the uh the temple and and redemption right in Jerusalem. Um because there was a there was a a potential red heer born I think this week or in the last few weeks, but I I believe as far as I could tell it's disqualified from being an actual red heer, but it has the potential to reproduce and and produce an actual red heer. But it's it's another one of those things. And there's even like multiple red heer projects, I think, going on um not just one, right? and and the the whole goal is to produce an authentic red heer with a you know >> Can I ask you guys a question? I just sometimes wonder how what you know Josh is saying and what I'm saying and we're talking about the red heer how does that >> Yakov Ysef how how is that received in the Christian ear like a Christian you know I know we have many Jews in Israel and around the world that that listen to this program but I know we have many Christians also that we love that listen to this program too. How do Christians hear the red heer? Is that crazy sounding to them? I think it depends on there's two different concepts, right? There's one Christian group that says, "Oh, it's a means to an ends to a Christian ideology of faith and and they say it points to the end times and then that's wrap up." There's another Christian uh ideology that and so they're excited about it because of that the Christian kind of just from a Christian stance that they they and that's probably one of the more popular uh people they have a just a Christian worldview. They're not looking at the Jewish nation as God's chosen people and they're leading the redemption process. Um, so the first group is what I said. The other group is a is a group of people that are saying, "Wow, Israel is amazing on its own own right. The Jewish people are God's chosen people. They're leading this redemption process and they're excited about the red heers out of that. They're excited to see the prophecy becoming reality. They're excited to see the Jewish people rising to the occasion of leading the world in a prophetic sense." So, um, you see the difference in those two groups? Uh it's a >> it's just my opinion, but I would say the second group is probably pretty small because I think >> unfortunately >> it's interesting the red heer topic is it's the same as in the Muslim world. Christians are infatuated with the topic of the red heer. But I think most of them is because they just see it as another >> part of the process that brings us to like the end times, right? Um, and >> maybe you should explain that the kamas actually said that that's what led to October 7th is because they were pro we were breeding this red heer to to >> actually said that we did a show on it that the spokesperson for Hamas said we're fighting the al axa flood. They never called it the October 7th war. Uh there was no iron swords itself in itself is is very meaningful cuz the understanding I think you did this during your movie. you explained very well that that when our soldiers are going into Gaza and they're seeing in every school, in every house, in every government building, a picture on the wall of the Temple Mount and they start to realize that our enemies have a clear vision >> as to where, you know, what they're fighting for. And perhaps we don't have as much of a vision as we need to have. Uh and that's why the patches the famous patch uh that came out with the with the temple on it uh is worn by many soldiers because they also they also need to have vision when we're when we're going forward in war. >> Even in the Bible, first of all, I think I I've understood from some Christians that there's resistance or confusion around rabbitical Judaism. This isn't rabbitical Judaism. It's a Zotuka Torah in the book of Numbers chapter 19. This is the statute of the Torah which Hashem commanded, saying, "Speak to the children of Israel that they bring you a red hepher without blemish in which there is no defect and upon which no yoke has come." This is directly in the Bible, a biblical commandment that needs to happen that we need to do. We don't understand it. That's the whole idea. We're not going to act or pretend that we understand the spiritual dynamics and the wisdom of the transcendent creator of heaven and earth, but it's a it's a fundamental part of it. Um, I was going to say something else, but I forgot. It's a fast day. >> You need some of those calories to keep the uh the the brain waves rolling, don't you? >> But the red I I I just want to clarify that the red heer I think many people misunderstand the the necessity for red heer. >> Mhm. >> The red heer is a important and of course it is commandment. So we need to when fulfill it when we can but it is not in any way holding us back from doing the temple service. >> Right. Uh most people think that we need that in order to get to the next stage of temple service, but we can actually start doing temple service without the red heer. That's very clear in in Jewish law and uh and the red heer just takes us uh you know one step ahead. That's number one. Number two, red heers are not so uncommon. I mean anybody who works in a ranch in Texas knows that you know red Angus they're red heers born every day. The the the rarity is that they have to be of a certain age and as they get older they start to to form other grow other other just like our hair turns white so so does so does theirs and when it becomes a white color that that then it that starts to disqualify them. So having a a red heer of age is really what is uh which is unusual and rare. >> Wow. Well well here we are. We're in the redemption processes unfolding before us. I think um if I was to um really be curious in my own right, I would be wanting to know what are the hundred things that Josh is talking about. What are the teaser teaser for future shows? >> Yeah. Okay. Well, stay tuned. We'll let people know how to follow you at the end of the show and then, you know, you'll have like a hundred episodes you can do on your own. >> I remember I was once in a meeting with the head of the one of the heads of the Temple Institute that's like all about bringing back the knowledge of the temple and the vessels in the temple. We're in the middle of a meeting and he he took a call. was like, "I have to leave." Temple related emergency. >> Temple related. I'm like, "What is going on? What is that?" >> I've got a question for you. Um because this would be super super interesting for our audience. Does Israel know where the Ark of the Covenant is? >> Yes or no question. And do you know, >> because I've asked other people this and and some people say yes, some people say no. Those that need to know where it's at know where it's at. >> That's a great answer. >> Oh boy. Well, that's awesome. >> But again, don't misunderstand that is not holding us back, >> right? >> In the second temple, one of the things that was lacking in the second temple was that the ark of the covenant was not in its proper place in the second temple. >> Um, we still had a temple for hundreds of years. We were able to do the service. So, not people shouldn't confuse this and think that that that is what's holding us back. We we we do know where it's at. Um whether it needs to be in its proper place in the third temple is actually controversy. Um there are sometimes it's better that things be be kept secret. uh in today's modern Israel, >> if imagine if we were to discover the Ark of the Covenant, um Indiana Jones version of it, um you can imagine that the Israeli antiquities authority would immediately confiscate it and and put it up in a museum somewhere, which is not what it's meant to be used for. So in time, >> many people would die before that happened though. Yeah, there are biblical uh narratives of this. >> Um it'll it'll happen at its proper time. That that's again it's not holding us back. >> You keep saying holding us back. What is holding us back? >> I was about to say that too cuz I would like to hear from you guys on because I feel like >> Anyways, I'd like to hear from you guys like what is holding Israel back from that that next phase of redemption on the Jewish side? And then I think it'd be interesting for us to talk about because you know on some level we represent more of like the Christian Zionism side. We're Christians. Um so I'd like to talk about that too because we just referenced a minute ago how so many Christians seem to be pro-Israel but it's just a means to an end. But anyways I'd like first I'd like to hear >> what's holding Israel back. He's smiling. >> What what's holding us back? Well I just want to say you sent us a list of subjects that we were going to talk about on the show. >> We haven't talked about any of them. any of them because of the fast day. I think it's so significant that I I think it's they're connected. All those subjects are connected. And this is a great intro to to all of that because really when Jews mourned the destruction of the temple on the 9th of A, we're sitting there. We're not talking about Babylon or Rome or Greeks. We're talking about our own sins. And even God says, he calls um Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, right? Ai, my servant. Assyria is the rod of his wrath. Meaning that God is using these nations against us to afflict us, to wake us up to our own sins so we can have that develop that relationship. So when we look at kamas, when we're talking about these other subjects, it's important to keep in mind not to get lost on the when a a man beats a dog with a stick, the dog bites at the stick. We can't bite at the stick. We have to remember what's behind all of this. What is the deepest root of all this? So what's holding us back, if you ask me? Nothing but our own minds, our own limitations, our own feelings. Like, well, we need American weapons. We need America. We can't be internationally isolated. Josh was just saying, uh, sorry, Yakov. >> Yakov Yseph. >> Yakov Ysef. >> If you want to do it, just do it right. >> Do it right. I just called you Josh all these years. And then we learned that his English name is Josh and his Hebrews Yakov. Ysef. I just have one name. But you were saying on the way here, why is Israel a member of the United Nations? Why would we do that? It's all we do is do they condemn us, condemn us, condemn us? And the answer that I gave when I dug deep was because the fear of the government of Israel, the current King Saul's kingdom of Israel is so overwhelming about being internationally isolated. What will we do? We need the world to love us or at least recognize us. Even if they hate us, at least they're relating to us and we're somehow connected with them. It's this self-imposed limitation and subjugation to the nations of the world. And if we just put our faith in Hashem and we said we're going to put we care what he thinks a lot more than what anyone else thinks, then we're going to move forward with faith and with strength and with courage and things will happen like the construction of the temple. And when we do that, I really believe with my whole heart that the nations that right now hate us are going to be helping us build it. That that is the biblical narrative of the the sin of the spies, right? That that the the 10 spies that gave a negative report of the land. They said came back and they said that we are in uh their eyes in the enemy's eyes like grasshoppers. So, how do they know how other people are perceiving them except that they think this is how they're being perceived? Right? They have such a low self-esteem that even though God has sent them on this mission that they're not able to accomplish what God has said that they should accomplish that they're afraid to go there. >> And that is exactly the problem that we have today. We we you know being the chosen people sometimes that that that's another thing that people misunderstand. There's two different ways of being a chosen person, right? You could be the chosen person like you've been chosen with you you won the the the the the grand prize or you could be like in the classroom and the teacher points to you and says you read that like like you're put on the the the spotlight and and it's not a comfortable position. You know, you're moving around in your chair and okay, I'll I'll I'll give it a shot. Exactly. Um being the chosen person people comes with a huge responsibility and it's not necessarily comfortable to be in in the hot seat and uh and we have a a a lesson to do to to to pass on to the world. And part of that is come is overcoming our own problems of self-esteem that we don't feel that we're able to accomplish what we have been divinely mandated to accomplish. So therefore we we are holding ourselves back is is I think Ari is 100% correct >> which is where you guys come in really the the righteous of the nations although that number of righteous is dwindling ever so greatly every single day as we see around the world people who were pro-Israel love the Jewish people now don't and they've opened their hearts to have all sorts of doubts and ideas be placed within them from Tik Tok or whatever but the uh to have you guys come I don't know if you felt it last night, you know, but uh the gratitude people feel for you towards you that your your very essence and your existence is just such a source of comfort and strength and encouragement. You're a part of it. You guys are not, you know, this is an old fight we have. You're not watching redemption unfold. >> Tee it up for you real quick because I want to hear from you. But I just want to uh introduce a little bit cuz >> last week we were at this event where you were speaking on a panel with another say representative of the pro-Israel Christian community, the evangelical community from America. And the other speaker was very much like on the track of like, yes, we're pro-Israel, but it's all about, you know, Christianity. and and what I referenced earlier about so much of of Christianity sees Israel and the Jewish people in Jerusalem and the third temple and the red heers as a means to an end. And then you were able to very graciously make it very clear that there are Christians like ourselves and the the the people that we represent and our volunteers and everything who don't see this as a means to an end. We have zero agenda. So, I just wanted to tee that up because I think there is a a large percentage of the pro-Israel audience worldwide. Not everyone, but there is a large percentage of people, oh yeah, we're Zionists, we're pro-Israel, but they still see it as a means to their own end, their own theology, their own version of, you know, redemption and God's kingdom as a means to an end without the Jewish people being, you know, and without Israel and Jerusalem being that central focus. So, >> yeah. Well, there's like 60,000 something Christian denominations that all think that they've got it exactly right and and they're promoting their thing wherever they are. And I think one of the fascinating things about that is is that prophecy, as we're talking about prophecy unfolding, well, there's a prophecy that the nations are going to to uh fall and they're going to people of the nations are going to go, "Wait, God is with the Jewish people. They're going to grab a hold of the the tassel, the seat of a Jewish person. They're going to say, "Show us God." Well, we're in the beginning of a of a crazy global situation now where people are actually looking to Israel and in a Here you go. There we go. Let's do it. Uh, you've got it. And it's it's it's it's uh that that's what we're doing though. It's exactly that. It's fulfilling that when we talk see prophecy being fulfilled. It's becoming a reality. That's that's an actual reality of what we've just lived out. >> By the way, >> yeah, >> you mentioned sit and you can't I can't go past that without >> mentioning >> speaking about the blue dye >> of which is a commandment in the Torah which really jumpst started all the all everything we mentioned until now all these different projects that are going on and everything that's started 200 years ago in Europe by a kidic rabbi >> who this is very unusual at the time somebody who only spoke the Yiddish language and uh never left his little his little ghetto in in in Europe and he read that in order to move the redemptive process forward, we need to have this blue dye that comes from a a sea creature. So he actually, his name was the Rziner Rebi. He actually taught himself, I heard this directly from one of his descendants, by the way, the chief rabbi of Israel today, the chief Ashkanazic rabbi, Rabbi Kenbear, um, wears because he is a direct descendant of this Rebi. Um, he taught himself Italian. He taught himself how to use a gun because he was afraid of of his life. And he decided he's going to travel to Italy where the main national aquarium of the of the world at the time. All the experts of of sea creatures were there. And he's going to find out what the sea creature is that produces this dye because he understood that this is the next step that's going to f move us forward in the redemptive process. and he travels to Italy and he has a conversation with the scientists of the day and they tell him mistakenly we believe but they tell him that the only sea creature that can produce this this dye is a cuttlefish and he it doesn't seem from the sources that that is the right sea creature but he said you know the scientists they know they know more than I do and they're the ones they're the experts in the subject so I'll accept their their uh their opinion and uh he started making the die from the cuttlefish. Uh, years went by and the chief rabbi of Ireland, who eventually became the chief rabbi of Israel, Rabbi Dr. Herzog, >> Mhm. >> wrote his doctoral thesis on the topic of how this rebi, this kidic rabbi from 200 years ago was misled by these Italian scientists. Probably not intentionally, but they were they were they were mis misled. and the actual dye comes from a snail called the Murk's trunculus and started to and wrote a whole doctoral thesis. There's there's a lot more to the story than I'm than I'm going into, but just to fast forward to um modern day. So, there was a group of of Jews that decided to take his doctal thesis and put into practice and start producing this dye. I was at the time a divvisor in the Knesset and I got one of the first pairs of this uh this blue dye this this sit with and at the time the president of Israel was the the son of the chief rabbi and he was already elderly I think he passed away soon afterwards um he comes into the kesset and I walk over to him with my tit and I pull him out and I say it's because of in the merit of your father >> that I'm wearing these. He literally broke down in tears. He couldn't believe that anyone even knew about his father's doctoral thesis, let alone put it into practice. He was just blown away that that that people were actually doing this today. Um so this this is what really what kickstarted the entire movement um two centuries ago. >> Well, and now it's a huge movement across Israel where Jewish people are and around the world. Yeah. Um I so I think it's so significant the Jewish nation is is back in the land of Israel. prophecies being fulfilled. There's so many we talk about here we we literally have the trumpets that are being that are prepared to be blown in the temple. Even the temple institute has all these articles uh being made. But I think it's it's what has to happen now. And this is where we feel like we're on the cutting edge of is the Jewish people taking the central stage. It's already happened in the secular world. The Jewish people are at the center stage of the secular discussions on everything. The people that are lagging behind are actually religious people. and their religions are holding them back from understanding that the Jewish people are actually leading something that is so massive. It's so beyond anything that we've ever seen before. Um, you know, Qatar to all these people, the Alazer, the all of these news agencies. What are they talking about? They're like infatuated. The American press infatuated with the Jewish story. >> I have a scoop for you. Sorry to interrupt. >> When you say religious people, you're talking about religious Christians. >> Well, even Muslims. >> Muslims. Yeah. So, I have a scoop for you. >> Yeah. What's that? The religious Jews are also part of this process that's holding it back. >> Um, there are religious Jews around the world that still act >> like they are in a ghetto in Europe 200 years ago >> and do not see what we're talking about today. The conversation we're h having right now will just go right over their heads >> and they have no clue that anything's like there's a there's a there's a neighborhood in Jerusalem called Gula called the Redemption. Yeah. And it's an ultraorththodox neighborhood. And I always tell people, you can live in Guula and be as far away from the redemption as possible. If you think that you're living 200 years ago in Europe and and you have like no clue, you're oblivious to what's going on around you, then you're just you're just not there. And most religious Jews around the world have no clue. Like they this conversation would just go right over their heads. >> Well, I think that's unfortunately what's happening in most of the world. like we're we're we're we're not understanding the amazing things that are happening within Jewish context within specifically within the mountains of Israel. There's an amazing thing happening in Judea and Samaria >> and yet they're still infatuated with Israel and the Jews. >> Right. So I think just to just to to pull this where you were talking about Luke, I think that there there's a lot of uh specifically Christians that the fact that they're Christian actually helps them to to see this redemption process in a positive way. or there's the opposite case that they're actually they're being a Christian actually they're right now there's a huge push in the this their faith journeys uh we see it with JD Vance his new book the communion book or whatever where he he's obviously taking his faith as a weapon against this right and so we have people we see the same thing in within Islam we see them holding it as a weapon against the Jews we see uh this happening in a lot of people around the world and so I think right now there is a shift happening and it's global And it's massive. And those that are recognizing Israel, those that are grabbing a hold of that seat seat, like I just did a minute ago, it's a powerful thing to do. Uh to see the Jewish people in that light, to see a >> lot of room on that CT. >> Yeah, you got a lot of room here. We got We got We can definitely get 10 men on this one. Um that's what's got to happen is the nations have to see the Jewish people in this amazing place that God, again, you said earlier, chosen. >> You're chosen whether you liked it or not. And it was and the sooner the nations understand the choosing of Israel and know that it's not just an individual Jewish person, it's the nation of Israel. And the Jewish people, you guys already know that you're like, you're a nation and yourself. And I think it's such a powerful thing. And as other nations become and I see the nation of Israel as a nation that's leading something that's absolutely phenomenal. The whole conversation we're having today and I want to wrap this up so we can get to other things. But you've got the trumpets um arc of the covenant uh big question mark that I think everybody can make their own conclusions of uh according to your answer um we have if you go to the temple is there anything that's not prepared? >> No everything is prepared. >> So everything is ready to go. Um again it's it's a mindset that needs to be and and again that mindset is amongst the Jewish people primarily amongst the Jewish people which we're holding ourselves back >> um from the process the the the revolution that has gone on uh on the Temple Mount which you're all aware of >> um just in the past couple years allowing for Jewish prayers and prostration and and and and now we're talking about building a a synagogue on on the mount. Um, I have we I just finished one of the the the last of the three 613 commandments that we have is that every Jew has an obligation to write a Torah scroll. >> And I was uh I was able to do this commandment this past year and write a Torah scroll. And it's it's one of three Torah scrolls that has already been dedicated, put aside for use in the in this in the synagogue that is going to be built on the Temple Mount. >> When is that going to be built? Uh so the the chief rabbi of very soon very soon you think >> yeah no doubt um >> and where >> on the temple mount >> that has not been decided yet um the chief ra there are chief rabbis of Israel who son that is now the chief rabbi of safed um he's pushing this very very strongly his son by the way is a minister in the government >> um that we need to have a Jewish prayer presence on the temple mount um we cannot just even though for almost 60 years we have allowed the Muslims to and and and this again goes back to ourselves you know when when when Mosha Dian who was the minister of defense during the six- day war in 1967 he was not a friend of religious Jews and and and and and the Bible and when he heard that the the Temple Mount was was freed right they didn't had no plans to take over Jerusalem and the old city and the temple mount when he heard about this his immediate response was, "Why do I need to have another Vatican on my hands?" >> Right? He saw this as a as a terrible negative thing. And we understand that this this was just this was God handing us on a silver platter the Temple Mount for the first time in 2,000 years that we have sovereignty, Jewish sovereignty on the Temple Mount. And unfortunately, for the past 60 years, we've gone almost 60 years, 59 years, we've gone through year after year of having the Temple Mount in our hands, but not doing anything with it. And that is starting to change. >> Wow. >> Can I say one more thing about uh just to follow up with you what you were saying, Josh, about the nations being involved because I think there's an important encouragement here because there's there's multiple categories. We have the haters, right? The the Muslims, the so much of Catholicism, now these woke influencers, countries more and more that are hating, but yet they're infatuated with Israel and the Jewish people. And I think that's really interesting to think about. But then you also have the those who are pro-Israel but they see it as a means to an end uh for their own story. And then that's much of Christianity. And then you have you know Christian Zionist people who are not a ashamed to say you know we are dedicated Zionists like like the people that we represent people in our audience volunteers people who come to Judea and Samaria who are just here for the same reason. And I was in uh I was in Hevron yesterday and I got to see the site of in in the Arab side of and got to see the site of Araham's tent. And uh don't ask me how I ended up there, but I I didn't even realize I had no idea that this site was there and that it's so big and it was just it's so significant. You see part of the walls there, but realize like this is where Abraham lived when his tent was open to all travelers, right? And I would imagine that he his tent was open to everyone. Anyone who chose to come to the land of Israel, anyone who chose to uh learn about the story of Israel, including God's promises to Abraham. And it just struck me that well, there were no Jews and Christians around at the time. So, or Muslims. >> This is true. This is true. >> Palestinians were around for, you know, since since the six days of creation, but everybody else is everybody else is informed since. But it struck me how that's that's a good analogy for today because you know we're so many things you know probably hundreds thousands of things that we're we're seeing today that have not been seen for decades and centuries and sometimes thousands of years right and another one of those things is the invitation for the nations to come and be a part of the story that's being enacted in the land of Israel and with the Jewish people. And that would be my encouragement for Christians who are infatuated with Israel and the Jewish people. Whether you consider yourself a Zionist, pro-Israel, whatever it is, is be a part of the the story of Israel that's already going on here. Be a part of Abraham's story, Abraham's covenant, God's promise to Abraham. Don't come and try and be a part of your own story or your own version of the story. Attach yourselves to Israel and the Jewish people. And I think we see that encouragement over and over and over again in scripture. Like Isaiah literally says, you can join yourself to God and what he his covenant that's going on here. But the invitation is open. Like the invitation is there to come and be a part of the story, but we have to choose to be a part of the story of redemption that's already happening. Not our own like version of some end times theology or like >> well it's recognized for thousands of years. are going to be destroyed and you know and then we get to move in and come in and take over Jerusalem. Like that's that is the twisted version, right? >> Ezekiel is so clear about it. He says the nation and kingdom that does not serve you, the Jewish nation, the people of Israel will perish. To me, you can't get any more clear than that. The the story of Israel, what happened in 1948, the rebirth of the nation of Israel is the most crystal clear example of godliness in the whole planet. There's not a better representation of God in the world now. It's this. It's what? It's his choosing. And it's now putting everyone else as liars because they said, "No, the book's not right. Those prophets, they didn't know what they were talking about." And they could say it for 2,000 years and they could persecute Jewish people wherever they went. And they could say, "No, God's forgotten you. They forgot." But then in 1948, they do that. They could it was imp. I mean, they still tried, but there was no backing for it. And today, the wars continue against the Jewish people. But it is obvious in the front of everyone that God is doing the absolute impossible. And he's bringing Jewish people not from one country back into the land of Israel. He's bringing them from every single nation across the planet, not as a nation, but as individuals back to the nation. It's the most miraculous thing that's ever happened. I would say it's probably more miraculous than even the splitting of the sea when you really think about it. That that is why the Vatican Sorry, go ahead. That is why the Vatican has always consistently rejected recognition of the state of Israel from its inception >> because it it it came it clashed directly with their theology. Right? They've been saying for 2,000 years they've been saying >> the Jews have been punished. They did not accept our God. So therefore they have been exiled from their land never to come back again. >> Yeah. Even Martin Luther said if if if God were to remember and I could just probably misquing this, but this is the idea that if if if God was able to bring this scattered Jewish people back to the land of Israel, he'd believe in that God. Even Martin Luther himself was so like scathing against the Jews that he was like, >> and then in 1948 that won't ever happen. >> 1948, they had they had a crisis because all of a sudden the Jews have what are we going to do now? So they came up with a new version and their new theology now is yes they have Israel but they don't have Jerusalem. They don't have the Temple Mount. >> Fast forward to 1967 we get back all of Jerusalem. We get back the Temple Mount. >> Then they're stuck again. This is why they're always talking about internationalizing. They talk about internationalizing Jerusalem because they they can't have the Jews in charge of Jerusalem because that goes directly against their their whole belief system. >> Can I boil this down because I really got to talk about Trump and this Qatar thing. But this all does connect. I do believe. >> Do you want to say something profit to because when you say are serving you, if the nations aren't serving you, it's not some people may picture, oh, holding grapes over a Jews. No, no, no. It's just like when the Jews, there's the priests of the temple descendant from Aaron and the nation of Israel, all the other tribes serve them in helping them serve Hashem and bless us. It's only serving us to facilitate our service of you to facilitate our be ability to bless you and to serve the role that we're supposed to. >> Well, even the priest, what would the hold all the people would do, right? They would give of their land. They would give of their they would give their resource to the priest for a purpose though that the priest would then teach them, right? Like >> them and bless them. And that's exactly what what it is. I just wanted to clarify that. Of course, cuz people visualize serve us and it's not like >> it is a different role. There's different roles although we're serving you in one way. um the amount that it doesn't even equal the when a priest could give this person, you know, the knowledge of God and and help them understand godliness. What kind of service? That's an unbelievable service back to the person who then maybe had some sort of maybe seen as mundane, but it's still a great holiness when you're fulfilling your role. >> I just want to clarify that. Go ahead. Yeah. >> No, so I think it's amazing. That's what wokeism is completely this because they're they're trying to get rid of all roles, you know, men, women, >> distinctions. No distinction. There's no distinction. >> I do believe that America is at a point of a tipping point right now cuz they're missing the big point. They're missing the fact in the political situation in Israel, we've seen like 92% are like where they were like pretty well proTrump on high high numbers. Now they're like Trump has failed us. They're like they don't know how to get this is they don't understand how. Uh and I could we could go down a little rabbit hole on that and say why this is going on and maybe Trump's just trying to mid win the midterm and then he's going to come back into action later. Okay, that's an idea. But here's a uh interesting thing in the background. Trump just got his plane from from Qatar. We just we see a massive >> plane, right? >> His plane. >> Oh, sound like you said plan. >> Well, maybe that too. I don't know. >> 400 million plane. >> Unreal. He just took his first flight in this thing. But here's here's the uh thing that I'm concerned about. If they literally have so much influence over America, just I'm going to ask a question to you guys. I want to I want to get somebody's response on this and uh if somebody has one, just just go for it. Any one of you guys. What if Israel had given the American president the plane? Just just throw that out. >> Give Candace Owens a year's worth of podcasts to talk about. >> What would have happened when the fact is is that Qatar is actually doing what everybody says Israel's doing that Israel is not doing. >> And and Qatar is doing it exponentially more powerfully with more money through all through universities, social media networks, and through everything. Israel $7,000 that doesn't even exist. And it's it's literally the same thing as Korak saying to Moses, "You're so arrogant when God says he's the most humble man in the world." It's like the we're we're it's a it's a smoke screen to keep our eyes from the prize, which is literally what you're saying right now. >> Trillions of dollars. You know, they've invested in this thing. They own the algorithm behind so much of the information now going into American youth intentionally to get them off. And what are they most scared about? Who invented the Alaka flood idea? >> Well, of course, these geniuses over there with billions of dollars were right in line with Hamas and Hamas helping to fund Hamas. They're the wars against Alazer is a stateowned and run media network from Qatar. So all yeah, all this and investing billions if not tens or hundreds of billions of dollars into the American University. There's an idea that actually they own some of this AI backdrop that now the Alazer framed discussion is what leads the algorithm on all AI. >> Sorry to sound like a conspiracy theorist. >> No, but this is actually they literally have trillions of dollars behind the systems. It's very believable. It's not. You don't really have to be even be a conspiracist on this and I'm not. >> But Sam Alultman, the Jew, is the one that made the eye. So >> now you can get into the conspiracies. So just on this but yeah this all ties back to the thing of what this this Qatar war is really fighting is what we've just talked about for an hour >> and I think this is what they're most scared about a a Jewish person coming back to the homelands establishing themselves in Judea is Qatar's biggest and worst enemy and they've got to convince the world that the Jews are the problem what does Alazer spend most of its time doing demonizing the Jewish people and most of their money trying to influence America against them because we're a natural partner ner outside of that, but they're winning this propaganda war on the American youth that's now influencing people like JD and other people in the American government, even Congress. Massive amounts of money to try to influence Congress to try to stop this Jewish story from unfolding. >> Well, it's interesting. The United States, there's several stories this week that are showing the US is kind of pulling away from certain countries and starting to gravitate towards new allies, quote unquote. Um, which is kind of scary. Qatar is one of them. So, there's a story this week about how Saudi Arabia is not really cooperating with the United States in a mission that they're working on together. And now there some US officials are reportedly saying that the US is considering pulling some of its forces from Saudi territory and focusing on nations more nations that were more supportive during the war. At the same time, you have Trump receiving his new plane from Qatar talking about I believe he actually said Qatar is an ally of America. And then he goes on to talk about how they used to support high level terrorism and all this stuff, but they're really coming a long way, right? They housed kamas, funded kamas, you know, >> along with Turkey, you know, one who's that was my third, that's my third one is now the United States is thinking about giving Turkey F-35s. So now Turkeyy's about to become like obviously there's a weird dynamic going on there because they're part of NATO, but at the same time Trump is going to like they would be the third nation, right? There's only Israel and America are the only ones with F-35s, right? >> So >> I think Saudi Turkey is supposed to be getting >> Turkeyy's gonna, you know, receive F-35s and like Qatar and Turkey being America's new allies in the Middle East is very scary because both of them are very clear enemies of Israel and underhanded enemies of America, I would say. And if you know the all of the talk is about Saudi Arabia joining the Abraham Accords, now that's being pushed to the back burner. Now, now we're gravitating towards Qatar and Turkey and nations like this. It's kind of scary. >> Just got the mental imagery. Josh is just going to grab these trumpets. He's going to go out just going to blow these trumpets. It's like the Jericho walls. >> We should both do it cuz we're both Joshua. I think that's that blow it by the by Jericho. >> He blew those trumpets at the circumcision of my son Moraiimon. And last week we were at another Judeian bilah circumcision and we blew those trumpets together because if it's a moment of significance, right? If it's a moment of celebration, that's when we blow the trumpets. >> A moment of prayer >> prayer >> and introspection. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, we're we're talking about Saudi Arabia. We're talking about these things and I just keep having this visualization cuz I'm I'm around a lot of smart people like you guys. I wasn't blessed to be the sharpest tack on the board. Okay? I'm a simple guy and there's a certain advantage to being a simple guy in the sense that I really see this boiled down with Qatar and all these different international dynamics. It's Ishmael that is seething with jealousy when Abraham says, "You stay here with the donkey. I'm taking my son, the inheritor of my legacy, up to Mount Mariah." And that's when that happens. And that seething jealousy is epigenetically passed on generation to generation. and we pray three times, they're going to pay pray five times. They're going to prove. So, it's about Ishmael being jealous of Isaac and Esau being jealous of Jacob. And that's what it's about. So, if I had one mission, if I was standing at the United Nations, there's a lot of things I would say, but one of them is Papa Abraham loves you, too. It's not that he loves us more. He loves you, too. Iran, the jihad, Rome, he loves you, too. We're all his children. >> He doesn't love the jihad, but okay. No, he he loves his children. Even he loved Ishmael. >> He loves the people. >> He love Yes. >> But but not jihad. Jihad is is an ideology. >> The point of what? Yes, I agree. The ideology obviously not. But the ideology wouldn't be there if they really understood that he loved them too. That's what I'm saying. Where did this actually happen? So we know today anyone who's visited or will visit to to Jerusalem and comes on one of my tours can come to Armonhanie, right? There's there's a what's called hass prammanad. Um you can look over from the south at mount mariah at the old city and that is exactly because when when Abraham is coming with with Ishmael and with Eleazar so he's he comes to a point at the m he sees from afar Mount Mariah and he leaves them. So he's coming from from Hebron and that's the first place from coming from the south that you can see Mount Mariah. So he leaves them over there and he comes to Mount Mariah. So one of my mentors, Rabbi Nakman Kahana is fond of saying that you can imagine the scene. Um Abraham is an extremely wealthy person at the time and Eleazar and his his his slave and uh Ishmael are standing there and he says that I'm going with Isaac to bring him up on an altar. He grows with his knife and his fire and he starts to walk and you can imagine what they're doing at the time. They're cheering him on. They're like, "Go ahead, kill him. Kill him." Cuz they know they're going to inherent inherit all of all this wealth. So they're like, "Kill him. Kill him." So what happens to be right now in Armonets on this mountain where exactly where they stood? What is there today? >> It's at the UN headquarters. >> The UN headquarters. So he says they're still screaming, "Kill him! Kill him. It's happening today. We're still watching them scream, kill him." Yeah, >> that is wild. I never thought about that. >> That's wild. Well, it's all unfolding just like the prophets foretold it would. And uh it's amazing to see >> and that's why we know it's how it's going to end. That's that was my whole point. It says in Zechariah that all the nations are going to come up against Israel. So the fact that Turkey and Qatar and everybody's going to get F-35s and they're going to get nuclear bombs and they're going to it doesn't matter because we know it's going to end in the right way. So, so it's irrelevant and all their money doesn't matter. envelope. In the end, the prophets say that their people are not going to be hungry for bread and they're not going to be thirsty for water. They're going to look for >> to hear the word of God. >> To hear the word of God, which is coming from Israel and from the Jewish nation. >> Amen. >> I have to make a correction earlier on the F-35s thanks to David back there, one of our editors. Um, this would not be the third country. There are countries that have the F-35s, but they are all like more ally European nations. this would be, I believe, the first Middle Eastern country besides Israel to to receive the F-35. So, >> uh, we did kind of promise last week we asked for questions from our audience, and I know we're going over an hour now, but um, there are a couple more questions that we have to answer. And one of them I thought would be great, and it's a little bit of a different spin, but I think it could go handinhand with this whole topic about redemption and the temple being rebuilt. And somebody says, "Candidates for prime minister, the good, bad, and the ugly." And if you don't know, Israel's headed towards elections um for the government, the Knesset, the parliament in Israel, which will include elections for prime minister. And um so I guess my question, my way to frame that in today's topic is which candidate is would be the best one uh to help speed Israel on this redemption process of rebuilding the temple >> and not with your Mandani uh view. >> Well, I'll tell you, I I felt a little bit disheartened. I think many have when we talk about October 7th being the final defibrillators in the nation waking up and then you look at the candidates and it's the same faces. It's the same deal and we're like really are we really still voting for these guys the same thing? It's disheartening. But on the other hand, when I read through the prophets of Israel daily and I read about King David, he is not the guy that would ever run for office. He's not the guy that says me, vote for me, don't vote for me. The nature of a true leader is that the nation would go to them and say, "Please, we want you to be the leader." And he would feel unworthy of such a thing. And so the real leader that's going to bring us to the next level, I don't believe it's going to be going through the conventional route of the parliament and the Knesset and the political game because it's just not not to say that there aren't good people in there that are doing good things, but in my assessment, the leader that we're praying for that is imminent that is coming is not someone that we are necessarily seeing saying, "Hey, vote for me." Mosha Fagelan, another candidate, lives not far from here. Uh, one of his first elections, he had uh, Schmool Sackett come uh, do a do a, uh, campaign ad for him on TV and he gets on to this, he gets on come comes into stage and he says, "Israel is one of the leaders in the world in recycling. We recycle bottles. We recycle cans. We recycle cars. We recycle and he goes through this whole list. We recycle everything, plastics and glass. But our best thing that we do is we recycle politicians. And he goes through all the different politicians that have been knocked out over the years and they just come back. Their names and their faces keep coming back again and again and again. So it it's true. Unfortunately, it's true. I I would I would say my my short answer to this is that it doesn't matter because no matter who first of all we have a a a uh teaching that all the leaders of the world are in the hands of God and what they do is being controlled by God. So it doesn't really matter who's in that position. It it's going to what needs to happen is going to happen regardless of how it happens. We as as mortal men have to do our part in trying to move things forward and try to try to figure out who's the best person for the position. But in the end, again, we know the ending. So it's irrelevant who gets in because it's going to move us forward. No matter who gets in, it's going to move us forward. Like you said, even tragedies like October 7th have moved us forward as a nation. The Holocaust has moved us forward as a nation in in creating the state of Israel. There there's all sorts of things that that have happened. When I say creating the state of Israel, I mean the modern version of the state of Israel. Um, and when you speak Zionism, I we'll have to do another talk about what what that means because as even within Jewish circles, there's a lot of different versions of the definition of that of that. >> Well, this goes into our uh next question here. It says, "How close do you feel we are to the final battle? Most of us are looking on praying for you feel we are on the cusp." >> Go ahead. >> The final battle. Also, somebody else just wrote in and just said Ezekiel war. So that kind of goes hand in hand. It's funny how many people are thinking about these. >> I'm thinking like uh Star Trek in the final frontier. I don't know. Um um it's when >> because they're talking Yeah, you just went right out. Yeah. You know, my background uh people are talking about a lot. I mean, they heard from Ari Go and Meog uh Gog and Meog I guess how we say in English. Uh a lot of people are wondering is this is this where we're at? What is the Jewish perspective? I was talking to a Jewish guy the other day and he was like yeah we're in the we're my barber. I was getting my haircut and he's like, "Oh yeah, it's it's Gagame." He's like a a Jerusalemite guy, you know, he he's he's five, six generations Jerusalem and he's saying we're gagging go. What is the but what's what's going down on the >> the idea of Armageddon is not a Jewish concept. There does not have to be a final war which is going to be so destructive and is going to wipe out the world and and and there's going to be some sort of um first of all, we don't know. Let's let's start let's start from the beginning. Whatever we're saying now, we don't know that that the Myodes, one of the most famous Jewish commentators says that we won't know until how the redemption is redemption is going to unfold until it actually does happen. And which is which in itself is an incredible statement recognizing that for thousands of years even our greatest sages were not able to understand what we the we small people with small minds and and and and dull taxs and what I don't know what what are we used um we are seeing things that even the greatest people in history did not see right Moses was not able to come into the land right there are people that are able to see what the our greatest prophets were not able Y and understand these things that are unfolding because we're watching you know when when the Bible speaks about the Jews the gathering of the exiles and the Jews coming back alim on the wing wings of eagles and you know for thousand years that what did that even mean like we're going to sit on top of an eagle and and and today it's so clear that not only does it mean airplanes but Israel's national airline Al is owned by its parent company called Wings of Eagles. I literally planes are what are going to bring the Jews back. >> I didn't know that. >> Yeah. Wow. >> You look it up. You can do a get your guys in the back to to do a >> a fact check. >> It It is unbeliev We're watching these prophecies unfold and those people that are just sensitive to what's happening. It's so clear that that all the infrastructure that is being created right now. They just announced uh this week that Bengurian airport, the main airport in Israel, is going to be expanded to to to hold 40 million people to facilitate 40 million people. Right. We have this huge airport. We have this fast train that's going in 20 minutes from the airport to Jerusalem. We have uh light rails that are crisscrossing the entire capital. We have a cable car system which is being built right now which is going to bring 3,000 people an hour to the to the Western Wall Plaza and to the temple. This is all part of the infrastructure, the modern day infrastructure for the Ole Regel, for the pilgrims, the Jewish pilgrims that have to come three times a year to Jerusalem to the temple and to the nations that have to come as well. That's right. Yeah. and and and and it is a is a house of prayer for all the nations and and and we not on donkeys and we're not on camel. Some people have never been to Israel and they think that we're still on on on camel back and that we're just in in the desert over there in the tents with this with we have a modern nation and we're creating literally that that infrastructure for the final redemption to unfold. When and how it's going to happen, none of us really know. There are many people there are rabbis that say that that the final battle has already occurred, right? that the Holocaust perhaps was the final battle and that there are different versions. We nobody really knows in the end. We're going to leave it up to God to decide. >> No, I love that approach though. I would that would be amazing if it already happened. I got a feeling that Ari has a different It's a lot more positive than Ari usually sounds. So, >> no, I mean, you know, the pro the prophets speak about the exiles being gathered back to the mountains of Israel and there will be a coalition of nations that come against the land like a cloud covering the sky led by Persia. But who knows, maybe that was already part of this war that happened. The the Torah tells us the hidden things are for God. We should be doing our part. And I think sometimes when you don't necessarily know what your part is, you could get lost in the esquetology and things need to happen. Whereas like we need to settle the land, return to the land, return to have our faith in God. Even the nation itself, just hearing JD Vance, the vice president of the US say President Trump is the only president in the the national leader in the world with any sympathies towards Israel. a normal nation would be in some state of panic at least extreme discomfort. Israel, it's like we're just like, "Okay, that's just another headline. Let's go on with our lives and go on moving forward." Like God is building us in on a spiritual cardiac level to be that nation that really places our faith in him. And that's what's the real story is here. Whether it's Ezekiel's war or this war, it's not really our department. Our department is to do our our part here, which is the heart. The heart part. I have to add one more thing which is according to Jewish tradition all prophecies that are negative propheies prophecies do not have to come true right that depends on our the Jewish nation and how we conduct ourselves and if we do chuva if we repent then we're able to avoid all these negative things from happening >> or jonuts also the the nations of the world that's correct they prevented that from happening >> and it's only only positive prophecies that have to come true so the positive prophecies have to come true again we know the ending the the negative prophecies. That's really depends on how we we going to uh proceed. >> I think that's really fascinating and uh we could go for like three or four more hours if you guys want, but no, >> I thought that was just the intro. >> Um Josh Wander, thank you so much for being with us. How can people get in touch with you, follow you, what you're doing? >> So, we have a website bring themhome.org. URL some people. 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