Tucker Carlson Questions the Abrahamic Covenant - Is It Conditional? | Land of Israel Guys Podcast

[music] >> Hello and welcome to the Israel Guys where we believe that in a world of anti-Israel propaganda and Jew hatred you should always be connected to the land and the people of Israel. Guys, welcome back to the podcast on a Thursday, February 19th. Happy to have you with us. Make sure you subscribed and let us know in the comments if this is your first time watching or listening. Always happy to have you here. Here with Joshua Waller, Ari Abramowitz, Jeremy Gimpel. Um I I figured, you know, it's always tough to know how to start an hour-long podcast and I just I wanted to read Ari's comment from Tuesday this week to start things off >> [laughter] >> cuz it feels like it represents where the world's at right now. I didn't tell you I was going to do this, Ari, but uh uh you you sent a a one of the many news headlines from this week and it was it was from war room >> group. We aggregate ideas for the show. >> ideas for the show. And it it basically says Chinese and Russian warships have reportedly been dispatched to the Strait of Hormuz for maritime exercises. This could escalate fast. I checked, that is indeed true. Um but your comment afterwards was, "This is it, gentlemen. This is leading up to Hashem's great day. Mark my words." Well, I just want to make something clear. This morning at 5:00 a.m. I >> about to ask you to tell this. Yeah. I have an intercom between me and my kids' room so I can hear them if if they wake up and then I started hearing beep beep beep, which means that it's no longer connected, which means there's no electricity and I look out the window and the entire region of southeastern Judea is without electricity. So, I'm thinking this could be it. This could be it. Now, I'm not the only apocalyptic alarmist in Judea and so I reached out to some friends and someone's like, "The war has begun." So, I jump out of bed. The reason I'm wearing like this, you see I have my my army uniform on cuz I got my my my whole uniform on. I got my weapon ready, my vest ready, the safe room ready. I'm preparing everything and then I was like, "Wait a second. It's that guy? That guy said" and I said, "What do you mean?" He's like, "Yeah, the war's begun. There There's fires in Tehran right now. There's more than one way to fight a war in 2026." I'm like, "Okay. Don't conflate your speculation with fact. Look what you just did to me. I'm totally mobilized based on this guy." The point is though >> [snorts] >> that it's very plausible. We're We're in the the days leading up to that. And for people who are like writing messages saying, "Listen, though America's going to smoke Iran." I'm not so sure that it's just going to be like it was last time. Meaning China, Russia, they're ready. We've spoken about this on the show. Like they're this they're they're they have their military assets under the guise of maritime military exercises, but they're really just making sure that it's mobilized there. And also, if they're in that region and there is some sort of fallout where their ships get accidentally attacked or intentionally attacked by them, even they have now a pretext to enter this war. We're talking about a big thing happening here. We're on the cusp Am I wrong? Well, I mean I I've heard about a EMP over America and and knocking out all the power, right? And you talked about that on Fox News like 12, 15 years ago. And you reached millions of people through that. Um you never talked about an EMP over Israel. That's what basically what you were thinking happened this morning when your power was out. No, no, no. I just remember that up to this point when Iran was always attacks military infrastructure. >> Yeah. Or uh you know, electrical infrastructure for the country. That's They're aimed at that also. In addition to like civilian spots, they're aimed at that. >> see that as a threat for Israel? Well, I It's not that it couldn't be a threat. I just don't see that happening or playing out. I don't. But you know, on the last show I started one of my ADHD sentences saying, you know, "Tuna has mercury. That's why I sort of I'm I'm getting more and more sardines." And then And see that one of our great listeners, Chuck, who I'm very grateful for, he just gave me an entire box of sardines. This is waiting on my table for me. So, I didn't mention that also leading up to these days, we need to hoard gold. >> [laughter] >> Okay, before we get too far down the down the apocalyptic conspiracy rabbit hole, just a you know, you guys there's a reason that Jeremy and I sit on this side of the table and Josh and Ari sit on that side. So, I I want to bring it back to this side of the table. Maybe Jeremy, you could tell us what what you were doing when Ari was preparing for war this morning. I read that the US is sending the greatest amount of air power since 2003 to the region. I'm like, "Wow, the greatest amount of air power, like enough planes to really create chaos." And then I went to bed and slept until the morning. Yeah. >> Well, I mean, just in Jeremy's defense, when we were actually truly under assault by massive swath of intercontinental ballistic missiles that were detonating with what felt like nuclear blast in the atmosphere right over Israel, with missiles landing in our region, literally falling from the sky, he had the same response. Yeah, >> [laughter] >> literally the same. >> Which I'm not bashing him for. On one level, that is a sign of great faith and trust. And on the other level, it's just a Yeah, I was like, we didn't have a bomb shelter back then, so I was like, "You might as well die in the open, you know, so and see the show." But uh But I never went into the bomb shelter, but I would put my family into the bomb shelter, and then I was always patrolling and protecting the area. So, there's a reason I wasn't there. Um So, just just to tell you guys what we're not going to talk about today. And we're not going to spend the whole show talking about how the US is gathering the most air power in the Middle East since 2003, or that Reuters is reporting all US military forces participating in the ongoing Middle East build-up are expected to be fully deployed and operational by mid-March. That's according to a senior US official by cited by Reuters. Um In the last 24 hours Israel's home front command has been instructed to prepare for war. High-level defensive alert has been declared. Israel's raised its alert readiness in the last 24 hours. And it yeah, the US has like 50 Axios is reporting more than 50 US fighter jets in the have been moved into the Middle East I think in the last 24-48 hours. So anyways, all that to say is like the news last night to this morning was vastly different and then by the time you guys watch or listen to the show it'll be a different again. Um CBS is saying the US could strike Iran by this weekend or it could be mid-March. So we're going to talk about something different and that is yeah, much more important war I think we could say. You guys have seen the headlines Tucker Carlson came to Israel or did he come to Israel because he landed the airport took a photo and left again. Just stayed just long enough to claim that he was thrown into an interrogation room and had his passport taken away. Which turns out to be another one of his epic lies that he is so fond of telling now. And then while he was here as he was leaving on his private airplane he posted in two-hour interview which Josh so sacrificially watched this morning so that we can share the highlights with you guys. But that that follows in the wake of Marjorie Taylor Green just spouting incredible lies straight from the heart of Bethlehem this week cuz apparently she went there. But it it feels like the lies are so grotesque and the propaganda so massive that at some point we can't ignore it and and you know for two Jewish rabbis who live in Judea and two Christian Zionists who are based in Samaria and right now we have like 50 Christians volunteering in Israel's heartland. This you know people have been reaching out to us like, you guys have to respond. You have to respond cuz we're Christian Zionists and we're in Israel and we're on the front lines and we know what's actually happening and, um, I think, you know, we have been responding and we've been doing our best. Josh was actually in Taybeh yesterday, yeah, which is the only, one of the only, I think it's the only all Christian village in Israel. And you know, >> In Israel and and, uh, even across the Middle East there's not so many of those. So, that's a it's a pretty big deal. Josh, Josh and Justin were, uh, kind of undercover in Taybeh yesterday. That'll be a separate show coming out. But, this bears addressing. Um, it it's it's important. And I just want to clarify, I think we're past the point of dancing around like the the propaganda and spinning narratives. Like, I I feel like it's time to just say the truth for what it is. Tucker Carlson's a liar and he's a coward. Uh, and like, I don't know how he thought that was going to go well for him to pretend to agree to Dave, uh, Mike Huckabee's, uh, calling him out in public of of talking to him, say, "Yeah, okay, we'll we'll come to Israel for an interview." Landing his private plane at the VIP terminal in Ben Gurion. Refusing to leave the airport complex. Mike Huckabee was gracious enough to come to the airport, sit down for an interview. We don't even We haven't even seen that yet and literally took off again. Well, when you say, "I don't know how he thought that would play out well for him." Uh, you did send to our little WhatsApp group a link with Tucker Carlson's face and it said 45% of young Republicans see Jews as a threat. It is working out well for him. Yeah. He's a huge, massive part of this very significant ideological, religious, and spiritual shift of the entire right-wing conservative part of America, shifting the entire trajectory of US history. Okay, so he's having a real impact. So, we could try to minimize that, but he's he is doing well for himself here. What I realized uh, in these last two days for me have been really kind of awakening where I'm I'm I understand Christianity in a different way and I have to say that I ever have before where I thought just in general growing up as a sixth generation farmer in Tennessee that I thought most Christians just were kind of uh they loved the Jewish people, they loved the the biblical story. There was um you know, just understood that the Jewish people were God's chosen people. Genesis 12, simple faith and just believing that Israel is Israel, the Jewish people are people of Israel. What I've seen over the last two days is there's a vast amount of Christianity that are no friend of the Jews, that are actually enemies of the Jews in a much bigger way than I ever thought meaning they're actually more aligned with radical Islam against the Jews in their Christianity. I'm appalled by that. I mean, literally, I'm appalled by that. I didn't think that that's how vicious the Christian community was against Israel and the Jewish people. Like relating them to Muslim the the jihad against Israel. But yet yesterday specifically and are you a little bit pushed back by that? I'm I'm not really uh >> do go ahead, Jeremy. To me, the window of Christian love for Israel and the Jewish people is really a small window. That's just a few decades, maybe since 1967 since the Jews really came back to Jerusalem and the prophecy started unfolding, maybe 1948. But from I don't know, the destruction of the temple until about 1948, the vast majority of Christians were always our enemy. That's just the way it's been. >> Yeah, I just want to elaborate. I'm sorry, did I interrupt you? Okay, I would even take it a little bit earlier than that to the early return of the you know, the early 1900s, late 1800s, the Bilu pioneers that were coming back and draining the swamps. But that's pretty much it. Me, Nate, I agree with you in the essence of your argument and also the argument of someone like Nick Fuentes. So, it says this whole idea of Judeo-Christian blah blah Judeo-Christian Judeo-Christian if this is a real a relatively new phenomenon. Most of history has been Cossacks, pogroms, Holocausts, and Inquisitions. Okay, and so now >> in alignment with radical Islam. That's what they they're also they have the view. The problem is is that I don't see the the Christians that I'm that I'm encountering here, the Tucker Carlson Christians and the Christians of Taibeh. I'll just say exactly where I was with a father Jack yesterday and trying to understand. I went with a to understand, okay, what are what is happening with the Christians in Israel? Now they're outside of the Israel's jurisdiction. They're under the Palestinian Authority, but never nevertheless they're still using that as a as a tool against Israel. They're saying Israel's the problem and and they have no problem [clears throat] with their Islamic neighbors and they believe that their Islamic neighbors are actually the solution and not the problem and Israel's the problem not the solution. Um, so I guess just to put it in context I went yesterday uh to the village of Taibeh. It's the only 100% you know, Christian village and we interviewed the the priest there for about an hour and a half just talking to him and then I went walked all around the streets and we talked to people and all of this is going to come out in a adventure got that out of >> Got the police. The PA police called on you. >> PA police the Christian PA police officer called on us and >> Did that make you a little bit nervous? >> Wait, did he say anything? It's a joke. Yeah, he's a Christian. He's like a Taibeh police officer. I should have asked him I said I should ask him why he didn't arrest the Arab Muslims that were throwing rocks at Jesus's statue down in the the city city hall there. >> just caveat what you just said? >> guns, you know, and they're trying to intimidate >> may not know is that I looked this up. Taibeh is part majority area C and then a small area area B, which means that the PA police have no authority in Taibeh. Right. Right. Um, in other words, he was not really allowed to actually come up to you and tell you you can't film or whatever he said. >> Right. Well, here's my biggest thing that I want to address with everybody is is that there is a Christianity that fights Jews is a against the biblical narrative of the Jewish people returning. I literally asked the priest this straightforwardly. I said, you know, do you do you do you not see Genesis 12 and the promise to these people of Israel and the state of Israel as as a and the fulfillment of biblical prophecy in Isaiah and Jeremiah and Ezekiel and Joel. What do you do with these things? And and he he said straight out the Jews aren't the real Jews. We're the people of the promise coming back to the land. The as the Christians have taken that promise and and then I understood something crazy to me. Those people are enemies of the state of Israel. And they call themselves Christians and but yet they're enemies of the state of Israel. They hate Bibi Netanyahu. They said, we don't hate anybody and then they go on to talk about how they hate literally hate the state of Israel. >> Josh, it's worse than that. It's not that they're just enemies of the state of Israel. They're really enemies of the Jewish people. They don't recognize us as Jews and we're we meaning the alignment between Islam and this form of kind of the the Catholic Church hatred of Israel is replacement theology. That's really what it boils down to. They both believe that they've replaced Israel. There is no more Israel. God's promises to Israel have somehow transferred to someone else. And so the Bible can't be referring to us. And so that's why they hate Israel so much because we are a living manifestation of the truth. We are just reality and the Bible when they come together is manifesting before our eyes and they can't handle that. So they just see with hatred saying, what? All of the promises of the Bible are actually coming to pass for the Jews, but we replaced the Jews. And the more we're hated, the more we're persecuted, the more it proves that Jew hatred is true. Meaning the more >> [laughter] >> it's like if we've been replaced, then the more we are degraded, demoralized, persecuted, then it it proves their fake theology to be true. Right, but okay, but it also I have to say that you and Hayovel were tremendous inspiration for me, not only in general in life and but also this past Shabbat Mhm. you brought Joel Salatin to my home. Did I pronounce that correctly? >> Salatin. Salatin. And he was sitting at my Shabbat table and just I'm not going to get into my whole like man crush on Joel and just what an a righteous, humble man he is, but he was literally brought to tears with that he felt such a merit that he can bring his unique skill set just like Jethro did Mhm. to bless Israel and the Jewish people. He can command a big, you know, honorarium. He can make a lot of money just from the love and the kindness of his his love for God and for what he says God's people and and then I contrast that with the vicious hatred and it just seems like the love is getting stronger and more powerful and the hatred this is just a time of refinement where the confusion it's like that moment when Elijah said, "How long are you going to stand with both on both side? You can't be on both sides." Right after he said to the people to the priests of Baal, "Why don't you go ask your God Chemosh?" Meaning he said, "Your God Chemosh." It doesn't mean he believed in Chemosh. Right. Okay, right reference to the last show for those people who wanted to >> that. I needed to clarify >> [laughter] >> You stirred up some things online, you should Yes, yes, I know, I know that was fun. But anyways, so it's just interesting to see that there are the the righteous remnant is be being clarified. These are times of refinement and clarification and every person has the ability to decide where they're going to fall out and what role they're going to play in these in this unfolding redemption. >> I think that's the real point. The righteous remnant are being refined out and the truth is when you think about it there've been one There's like one alliance that's been formed between Israel and another large group, and it has been this like Christian Zionist world. And it's now in It's It's under attack now. There's no question about it. They're like, "Oh, these are the one supporters of Israel. Let's just chip away at that. Let's chip away." And they're like targeting these Christian Zionists. And that's a truly a part of God's plan because it's not meant to be a giant movement of people that are just kind of with slogans supporting Israel because they're cute slogans. Or, you know, if you bless Israel, you'll be blessed. Well, that'll now be questioned. Well, what does that really mean? And it will sort of throw people off, and the righteous remnant will be sort of pulled out, refined like silver and gold. And like whatever needs to fall into the sideway will fall into the side. One of the biggest things that I that I just baffles me. Like there's some things that make sense and there's you know, they they get these arguments and they twist words and they they make things. But when I looked at that priest yesterday and I said, "Can you help me with something?" I said, "I don't I don't understand something here." I said, "Um obviously around the world, look at what's going on to the Christians in Syria under the Islamic regime there and and you know, where there was 2 million Christians in 2011 and now today there's like three less than 350,000. They've just been massacred or fled. And um under Islam and everybody >> across the Middle East. Well, yeah, across the Middle East. Not that Syria is probably the the most extreme circumstance of the Islamic rule over Christians that there is in the Middle East. But every single Middle Eastern country is seeing a decline in Christian Christian population. Every >> Every single one except Israel. And and I got to clarify here because our all of our listeners are are really uh they're they're deep thinkers here. When Tucker Carlson said that the the the the uh the popula the Christians are declining in Israel, that's not true at face value. You know what he did? It's very It's very um uh genius of him. And he even said it when he said that remark, he said, "According to the national average." Okay. Meaning the percentage of the >> percentage of the population is lesser. So in 1949 >> I have the numbers here. the percentage of Christians were here were only 2.9%. >> Yeah, I think it was 2.9%. >> Okay, so So in 1949 there was 34,000 Christians in Israel. Today there's 185,000. So it's not growth. >> do the math on what percentage increase that is, but in 1949 Christians made up 10% of the population and today they're 2%. That's not the figures that I had on on uh the stats from uh from the Israeli >> to the Central Central Bureau Bureau of Statistics from December 2025. No, but but no, your point is correct. >> the national average, there's lesser. >> but I thought it was like 2. uh uh 9% of the population and today it's 1. uh 7 or something percent of the population. It That those are the figures I saw. >> in 1949 like there was nobody in Israel. Like there there was like what? A couple hundred thousand people. >> 600,000 people. >> whatever, you know, number 34,000 Christians made up a good percentage of the people in Israel. Today there's 185, but there's 10 million people. >> in the that's the the my point is is that he's took these national average. What he didn't say is is that Jews fled from all the Arab countries in this same time period. Period. Christians were not fleeing from these Arab countries at that time period. Jews were. And Jews fled from the whole planet. World War II um was going on. All of these things. They fled back to Israel. And so you have 6 million Jews coming back to the land of Israel, nearly 7 million now, um coming back to the land of Israel. Obviously could This is not the safe haven for Christians in the world. And so he's balancing that up against and so obviously it's the figures are off. He's not being But on a deeper level, there's a deeper truth to what he's saying. Yeah. And I'll tell you what I mean. The uh Oslo Accords, Bethlehem was given over to the Palestinian Authority. Before that, when Israel was in charge of Bethlehem, Bethlehem was 80% Christian, 20% Muslim. After the Oslo Accords, within uh months or just very very few >> the exact figures. >> 20%. >> from 85% in 1994 to the Oslo Accords being established and put in 1995 down to 35% in 1 year. Today it's only 10%. So, just exactly. I didn't I thought I thought it was 80% to the other 80%. >> in 1 year of the Oslo Accords and which means the Palestinian Authority, the Arab rule, meaning Arabs ruling over Christians, it immediately the Christians fled or were killed. >> Yeah, they fled to countries all around the and I years ago I spent I did a little mini project calling some of these Christians in different countries and speaking with them about what happened and they fled because of Islamic terror that there was just destroying all of Bethlehem and murdering people. >> more than that? In Gaza, there was 5,000 Christians that lived in Gaza before Israel pulled out. That that was just the people that were there under the Israeli rule of getting of course Israel wasn't even really ruling. It was like a it was still under Arab but just having Israeli presence in Gaza before 2005. You know what today? There's only 1,000 left. Israel pulls out, it's automatic what happens. In Taybeh, where I was yesterday, the same exact story. There are 300, it's just a small village, 300 empty homes. There's 15,000 residents of Taybeh, only 50 yeah, people people that are from there. Only 1,200 live there today. They fled. There's videos. I I told I said I said I told the priest and this is what baffles my mind. I told the priest I said So, you're telling me that Israel's the problem. You're Israel's like no other place. Well, he calls it Palestine. He also referred to 1948 as the Nakba and uh Which means the the disaster catastrophe catastrophe And I told him I said, but I don't understand how you feel secure under the Palestinian Authority. I said I just saw a video that came out a few months ago of of terrorist Muslims running down your streets here with guns shooting in the air and uh rocks at the statue of Jesus down at the down here that you have in your village. And he says, "No, no, no, my friend. It's all in That's He didn't He didn't deny that it didn't happen. He said, "It's just a little internal thing with between us." Right. And I said, "What about the time when the when the one of your boys here, Christian boys, married a Muslim girl?" And the Muslims came and burned down his house. I don't even know I don't know if he survived it or not, but I said, "What happened then?" I said, "You don't you don't feel like that that wasn't threatening to the community? That That wouldn't be the reason why everybody left?" No, no, no, no, no. That's just all an internal It's all internal. He literally said it. His hatred was was for Israel was more than his than the obvious answer to the question. Radical Islam is no place for anyone but Islamist. Okay, but let me get back to what I was saying. About the truth, the deeper truth. I think that's part of what we're here to do on the show, not just to report the news, but to do it from a prism of of truth and honesty and biblical sanctity, okay? And so, from a Jewish perspective, the temple was destroyed not because of the Babylonians, not because of the Romans. When we sit down on the 9th of Av and we mourn and and we we we weep, we're we're constantly saying the real reason, because of our sins. Our sins. Part of redemption that is unfolding right now is the Jews finally taking responsibility. And so, we have to own what we have to own. So, we could be like, "Oh, no, it's because of the Arabs taking over Bethlehem." But why did they take over Bethlehem? Because we made a covenant Yeah. with the people in the land and the Bible tells us, "God will return you to the land. He will give you the land in a miraculous fashion, and do not make a covenant with them. They will be thorns in your eyes. Do not do so." We see all the way back to the book of Joshua, when the the Jews right after the the victory against that the the village of Ai, right? The the Then, all of a sudden they got a little bit cocky, a little bit excited, a little bit while we're being recognized and they struck a covenant with the Gibeonites. With who were Canaanites in the land and they didn't investigate fully and that is part of the Jewish Achilles heel. We want peace in the world, we want a global unity. But God says we're supposed to rectify the world that can be my God with his kingdom. With his will and not to strike covenants. So in that way Tucker's right. It is our fault. Yes, the Muslims are persecuting and viciously uh terrorizing Christians throughout the entire Middle East in the world. Totally. But we are not doing what we need to do. That's all I want to say. >> No, the bottom line is it's really if is our God-given land then we need to take responsibility for everything within the land. What Israel was defending the Jews in Syria, I took great pride in that. I was like, "Wow, that's out of our political borders but we see something that's so unjust that's happening. And now the Jews are begging for Israel to annex parts of Syria into Israel and let them be a part of like what we're building here. And the same thing is happening in Taibe. The reason why they're sort of turning on Israel is cuz they don't feel like they can rely on Israel and they're now left alone dealing with the Palestinian Authority. Though they don't want to badmouth the Muslims cuz the Muslims will come and murder them. So they're just always like walking this this like that's what I always >> thought. I always thought that. Yesterday I think it's more than that. It's deeper than that. Well, that's what >> alignment >> with the Muslims. I always thought and that's what I was trying to do. I was trying to go to somebody on the street and be like we were trying to get someone, say, "Hey, listen, we'll blur your face, we'll blur your voice, we'll do everything we can." I've not found a I made calls to people. No one is willing >> important for our audience to know, too. >> They're not. If you're Arab in in Judea and Samaria like we cannot people will not be on camera with us. And the The only time we do get people on camera is if they don't know who we are. Like the priest you interviewed yesterday. >> Yeah, because you should tell people. You also went back to the other priest >> Oh, he that appeared that we did interview last year, that appeared in Israel Guys Show and he slammed the door in your face. >> Right. And he called the police on me. Um so there's I would like to think cuz the common sense thing would be to me it's the same thing that's happening with the woke right. Woke right, do you not get it? I mean woke left. Um that well well maybe >> And the woke maybe they're all doing it together now. By the way, they are >> woke >> Tucker Carlson and Cenk Uygur. Yeah, I'm like what are you doing together? >> It's the same with these Christians and it doesn't make any sense in the world because after the after the Muslims say when if you know, in their mind they're going to defeat the the Western world. Well, what are the what are these lefties and woke people doing? They're just going to kill them afterwards. The same exact logic is going on the heads of these Christians throughout Israel that are actually the majority of the Christians in Israel, unfortunately are these kind of Taibbi version Christians. Uh the vast majority of the of the Christians in Israel are the uh Arab Christians in this mindset and they're actually more aligned with Islam than they are the state of Israel. And it's deeper and I always thought before that it was a survival mechanism. But I believe it's more than that now. There may be a handful of them that are trying to survive. But more than that, I got the feeling yesterday that I was wrong. And cuz that's the obvious approach would be what you just said, Jeremy. Obvious Of course, they're trying to survive and they got these hostile neighbors. No, they hate Israel more than that. I I actually believe that's what changed yesterday for me to understand. They actually hate the state of Israel more than even their own life. Meaning they're willing to link up with the radical Islamist to to fight Israel and to be the one of the biggest voices of delegitimization to the state of Israel than they are to their own it's to [clears throat] their detriment. I told the priest, do you not understand? Israel could take sovereignty over this area, right? And you would be a you your your your beer festival that you hold here in Taybeh could be a Israelis would love to come here. They'd love to be a part of this this you know, your festive ancient traditions. And this could be a Christian thing that could be protected. You wouldn't have people you know, throwing stones and tearing down your you know, attacking your Jesus statues and stuff. I said the Christian population in Israel has doubled since 1970. Christians are doing just fine in Israel proper. They're protected. They have their freedoms. Um the worst thing Tucker Carlson Carlson can say about him is that they got spit at sometimes. Nobody's killing them and they're not burning their houses down for marrying someone outside of that and they're not they're not that's what these guys are saying. They're not fleeing the country because of radical Islamist persecutions against them, but they hate Israel more. They hate this what's happening to Jews. Their fight is aligned with radical Islam and that's what really that's a kind of a big wake up to me because I think most of the Christian world even the Tucker Carlson world is aligned with that as well. Their hatred of Zionism, the Jewish people, the promise, the covenant, Genesis 12. Everything has to be spiritualized. It's it's no more you know, the Jews is not the real Jews. The promises aren't the real promises. It's all in the sky. It's all fake. It's all and that's how they've now created another religion that removes Jews out of the way and now they're in um Josh, can we talk about Bethlehem for a second before you get farther in the Tucker Carlson interview? Yeah. Uh I think it bears mentioning because this is kind of like the two big high-profile people that were in Israel. Well, one was in Israel, one was in the airport. Uh but Marjorie Taylor Greene went to Bethlehem this week, made some waves and I just want to read you what she wrote about her visit cuz she met with the mayor of Bethlehem and she said, he told me, quote, he told me about Christian persecution happening in Bethlehem and also in Gaza and the West Bank. Christians have been killed in the bombings in Gaza and churches have been attacked. Others have told me this as well and I've seen videos online. I I feel like that's like the greatest line ever to prove of to show how much evidence you have or something. Uh and she says the mayor says they only want to live in peace alongside their Jewish and Muslim neighbors in their homes that they legally own, yet the settlers continue to take their homes. There are approximately 139 IDF checkpoints now in Bethlehem which one was 41 square miles once was 41 That part didn't make sense misspelling. I think she misspelled something. But now it's been reduced to 7 square miles. Uh and then she goes on. She says, "What is the Holy Land without Christians?" So, Bethlehem is your backyard basically. And if you if you don't you've never been to Israel, you don't live here, and all you watch is Tucker Carlson and people like this, Candace Owens, Marjorie Taylor Greene, like what did she leave out? I would say the biggest thing she left out is that if you want to go to Bethlehem as a Jew or an Israeli, you can't. You're not allowed. Number one, you're not allowed, and two, you would be stoned to death if you did go to Bethlehem. Or just shot. They got plenty of >> Or shot, yeah. Um like I don't know. That's a kind of important fact >> There's about 22 terrorist organizations working inside of Bethlehem now. Now that Israel's you know, pulled out. That's that's what they have for that. >> know, because when Oslo was implemented, Israel allowed themselves to be violated and invaded by Western projection that was really intended in a very cynical way to undermine the Jewish claim and connection to Judea. And they put these signs, these massive red signs that you see until this very day when you drive by every Arab village in the area saying this is area A. Jews, according to the law, are not allowed in here. They're not allowed in. They You if you're are and you come in here, you could die. Right? It's illegal. Right, it's illegal. So, to for the state of Israel to bar Jews from entering Judea is such a spiritual decay and rot and such a twisted thing that of course it's going to result in those areas being It's It's like saying, "Leave Sodom. Leave that to itself." Also, some of these Arabs were on the way to wanting to have a connection with Israel. Some of them are perhaps like Ishmaelites. Actual Ishmael, not these Philistine marauders. They wanted a connection. But the minute you put a big sign up in front of their village saying, "A Jew comes in here, they're going to die." Well, it's It's the ultimate disempowerment. I have a question for you guys. How How does it feel to be one of those settlements? And that's exactly what I was going to say. Settlements. That is oppressing the people of of the good Christian >> Because that's exactly You know that's who she's talking about. When she says "Settlers are are stealing, you know, the homes and territory of Bethlehem," they're talking about your lonely hilltop. And in Judea, it was not lonely anymore, but like that the hilltop that was barren for 2,000 years where King David wrote the Psalms. You guys came in, built beautiful homes, and a beautiful retreat center. That's exactly who she's talking about. You know, I I actually wish you were Bethlehem. There's something so misleadingly superficial and simplistic about so many of these verbal assaults on Israel that when you look, let's say, before October 7th, we did have Arab labor helping us build the farm and what we were building there. And if you came in and you see me talking to an Arab very respectfully and there's a very good relationship, but still I'm saying, "Build this here in this way." Well, he's the rich overlord. But if you just zoom out a little bit and you see me driving away in a beat-up Toyota that is is should have been impounded into a ball of steel a long time ago and him driving away in a Land Cruiser to a mansion and we're living in caravans surrounded by barbed wire to protect ourselves or they're living in mansions with no fences and no security sleeping the sleep of the just. Like, what is this about? What is really happening here? It is the absolute inversion inversion. It's not just a lie, it's the inversion of the truth. Mhm. You know, that was one of the things Tucker did get to the interview that he said was is that he said that the the settlements were pretty were ugly and that you know, compared to the Arab villages that were so beautiful. Now, now maybe if he just took one picture of a home but I don't know. >> just make sure everybody knows that that's a complete bold-face lie? Yeah. And I mean, you can you guys can Google it. I mean, there's something about the culture here. If you go in an Arab village, it's full of trash. Yes, I just want to say that I'm I try to walk around my whole life and never have hatred in my heart for anyone or anything ever. And even if I go out to war, I want it to be from a place of love. Not only from the people for the people of my nation and my people I'm protecting, but also love for these jihadist evil terrorists who want to murder Jewish babies that there's really nothing better for them than to never be able to do that ever. And so I'm going to try to facilitate that. And also they want to be shahids and martyrs, I'll so I'll so try to facilitate that. But the point is I have this homicidal urge when they're in front of me in the vehicles and they just roll down the window and throw out not just a can, a bag of garbage. Do you understand like our village has constant things where the kids go out to wherever I go with my kids, we have like a bag in our pockets so we can pick up garbage and say the sham mitzvah ahavat Yisrael. We say different things about our love for Israel and we're picking up garbage and the whole thing is a big garbage can to them. Okay? And so like to say that it's it's just such a twisted He's constantly saying, "You got to come to Qatar. You got to come to Saudi Arabia and see it yourselves. You got to come to Judea and see for yourselves what's really happening here." And that's what you guys do Mhm. really [clears throat] well. Yeah. Really well. 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These radical Islamists have taken over Bethlehem and driving the Christians out. The same radical Islamists that are slaying the Christians of Syria. Same same exact issue. Um you know the problem is? You see in the distance out there, way over there, there's a hilltop. >> Jeremy and his the Arutz Goat Farm. >> farm is over there. You know those Jews? Ari said he was just out, you know, the electricity went out. You know what he was really doing? He was he was He was >> an outhouse to his trailer. That's the reason that there's conflict in the Middle East is because that trailer added another room onto the back of it. >> literally say that they're attacking the the the Bethlehem is is dwindling and its population is actually on the verge of extinction extinction of Christians because of the settlers. Meaning the settlers are the problem, not the solution. Well, the settlers are the solution to protecting and guarding the land of Israel. Protecting the Christian populations cuz when they are actually in charge, there's law and order. And when they're not, radical Islam shows you what they can do. So, I just don't want to >> I just want to interject on one point. I'm sorry, forgive me. Not only protecting Israel, but protecting Tucker Carlson. That's what's so rich about this. He is literally, you know, I don't remember if you saw that commercial about the like the boulder coming down and stopped and they're swinging at the monster that's holding the boulder up that's protecting them. Like the global jihad is going for Tucker Carlson. And if he thinks that just because he was he's waving the banner in defense of them that they're going to you know, they're not going to cut his head off and put it on a stake, they're wrong. They're going for the entire world. And the tip of the spear in the battle against the global jihad is Judea and Samaria and the settlements and the farms on the tips of the settlements. And so, we're here not just protecting all of Israel and every Jew in the world, but every Bible believer anywhere in the world, whether they know it or not. That's right. I wanted to go to the clip here with these guys and just cuz I want to hear the the rabbi's responses to some of this this real Jew it is real Jew hatred yet the whole interview as I just listened to these guys was saying, you know, we don't hate Jews, we love Jews. We're not anti-Semites. Everybody tells us we're anti-Semites. I'm not an anti-Semite, you know. But the whole thing was oh, you know that you know that they were bashing Ambassador Huckabee the whole time and I think we have a lot in common with with Ambassador Huckabee on this show. Someone that believes in the Bible as though it didn't change and that it it isn't rewritten. And maybe there's a lot of reason [clears throat] why the the Christian community is embracing more of with Islam than the Jews is because there is a replacement in both of these. It's it's it's 2.0 and 3.0 and gather together against one the founders the Jews. So maybe that's why they're kind of there's a unity there and their and their replacement theologies of both the church and and the Islam. The Jews are a threat to both of them. Yeah. They have to somehow undermine the Jewish return to the land of Israel or both of those theologies fall apart and the most prophesied event in the Bible is the ingathering of the Jewish people back to the land of Israel. Every single prophet in the Bible speaks of it and here we are living it and so what do these replacement theologians do? They just can't handle it. So they'll attack us till their last breath. Right. And so I want to play this clip here where they're discussing Abraham and how the the covenant is is is conditional on Abraham but under Jesus it's it's secure and now the promises are it's it's basically replacement theology 101 that seems to represent so much of Christianity and how now that's it's it's causing them to be like, oh, Israel. Everything we're seeing in Israel is you know, what is what is that? It's it's just a you know, it's just a secular state, whatever. Let's let's play this clip. So this is important. What does it mean? Do we inherit uh a holy land between the river and the Mediterranean? Or does it mean something else? The meaning of that promise have also been transformed. It's not just the scope of the promise, it's the meaning of the promise. From temporary to eternal. From physical to spiritual. From conditional because it was conditional by the way. You know, he didn't just give them the land and say, "This is your land." It's by It's God's land by the way. He is the landlord. And the people that were given the land, they were tenants. And they have to obey the commandments of the Lord. They have to love their neighbors. They have to take care of the foreigners among them. And when they don't obey the covenant that was given to them, God always kicked them out. Oh, yeah. They get taken to Babylon. Yeah. Yes, twice. And and and the Old Testament gives graphic language when describes the the the, you know, not for Israel not obeying the the laws of the Lord. It says the land will vomit you out. Excuse my language. So, it was conditional when it was given to Abraham. But in Jesus, it's secure. It's eternal. Okay, watch this. I I I get it. I get aggravates me to no end, but I want to hear from Rabbis. Obviously, this is a pretty flawed theology. >> Well, I would say that first Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, they never spoke about a new Jerusalem. That's just not a part of their covenant. The one covenant that they did have is the land. That is the one covenant and promise given to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the promised land. And the second part is he said, "Ah, the covenant with them is is What did he say? Is coincidental?" Conditional. Conditional. It's like, "Well, because it says that they'll vomit them out of the land." There's a difference between um consequences and conditional. Like there are consequences if the Jews don't keep to the covenant. We will be vomited out of the land. And then every prophet in the Bible says, including Moses, one day they will be brought back because an everlasting covenant is an everlasting covenant. That is said over and over again. And so an eternal word, an eternal promise from an eternal God with an eternal people. Here the Jewish people are living in the land of Israel, living out the promises of God. And it's just undeniable unless you make up lies like, "Oh, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were looking for a new Jerusalem. That's not a piece of land. It's just a lie." >> could just stand on Jeremy's shoulders here for a second because I think one of the differences you were just talking about how Tucker Carlson advertises and his ideological alliances. And he's very much Catholic when it comes to to that approach. And you, correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understood, the Catholic priests and the Protestants, a big part of their war was that Catholicism wanted to keep the actual Bible away from the average people and in the hands of the priests who understood and the little peons just had to take their word for it. The same thing is happening here. Right? What Jeremy just said is true, but they don't want the people to actually dive into the Bible, swim those waters on their own, and see the lies that they're talking about. Right? First of all, when it says, you know, for God, he's literally calling God a liar. Right? God says, in Genesis chapter 17, "I will give you to you and your descendants the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession." Right? When it talks about the covenant of the parts, right? That Abraham made, usually in the ancient far east, the Middle East, it would both both sides would walk through that. Yeah. Right? Why? To say that if we violate this, this was a unilateral covenant. God made a covenant with Abraham. And yes, just like Jeremy said, in Leviticus 26:44, "Even when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them to completely destroy them, for I am the Lord their God." Right? This is it's it's a promise that God has made to the nation of Israel that he's with us. And the enemies of Israel think that God is a liar. And so they conflate and mistake our punishments from our father that loves us with his total rejection of us, which is why it's a desecration of his name to begin with. I have more to say this, but what would say? >> reading it this morning and he's I'm reading through all the prophets, which like the prophets are great with this, but Ezekiel has a number of chapters where they spend like, you know, he spends a lot of the chapter talking about if Israel disobeys, when they worship idols, when they sacrifice on the high places, they'll be kicked out of the land, but like if you just read the end of the chapter or the next chapter, like every single time it's like, I but I will bring them back. I will renew my covenant with them. I will keep my promises to the people of Israel. And maybe this is everyone's problem is they just don't read the end of the chapter, but I always tell people like just read the Bible in its entirety. It is filled from you know, beginning with Genesis all the way through with God's enduring promise and covenant with Israel. Here's what I don't get. They say you know, and if we watched it a little bit later in the clip, you'd see this part where they say why are we bringing back a pre-Christian territorial mindset? Meaning physical versus spiritual. Listen guys, everything is spiritual today, but yet underneath, what are they actually saying? They're saying it's it's really a big a big disguise cuz they're saying they want to change facts on the ground. They want facts on the ground to change. They want to take over Bethlehem. They want to take over these different areas. They want to hold on. They want to create a two-state solution. They want facts on the ground, but they're doing it through a kind of an interesting way. They're saying what are we going back to this thing, you know, because the Jews, you know, they're all focused on the the actions and actually doing what Abraham said and and saying to you and your descendants I give this land. And they're actually going to come back and physically take the land. >> he preceded by talking about how much the Palestinian church loves the patriarchs. And then he launched into how the covenant made with the patriarchs is no longer valid. I I I think maybe the calling here, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the difference between Tucker Carlson and you is that when I've seen your Bible >> There's a difference between Josh Um tell me I feel like I'm having How can we do that? I'm going out of my comfort zone so my laugh wasn't exactly right. I'm going out of my comfort zone here so I want you to tell me if I'm right or wrong, but you have a Bible that starts with Genesis and it goes all the way to the end of the New Testament. Meaning you see it all as one. Whereas I imagine if I were to ask him for his Bible, it's only the New Testament. Right? That That would be I think the difference >> reads it backwards. He wouldn't admit that, but yes. Yeah, I would Okay, but because it's impossible to not see the core biblical claim to the land. You know, we're reading off a computer cuz to go through the Bible and to shift around it's too much time. To your offspring I have given this land from the river of Egypt to the great river to the Euphrates. Genesis, I will give this land to your descendants for the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession. You shall take possession of this land and dwell in it for to you I have given the land to possess. You know, just over and over and over again. Hashem will return your captives, gather you from the nations, and bring you into the land. And he's like, "Oh, this antiquated, backwards." You're just calling the God of Israel, the God of all of mankind, backwards and antiquated and a liar. That's literally who those that are siding with Tucker Carlson are aligning themselves with to their own detriment and their own peril. You you got to play this clip because it's it's too too we're just going to love to eat this up cuz it's uh it's talking about how is this genetic? Is this just Is this really think cuz once you separate everything's so spiritual no longer [clears throat] the physical doesn't matter anymore. The promise made to Abraham what is it? It's a spiritual promise. Those that believe in God and what you know that now who are the Jews? That's what they ask. So who who are the Jews? That's the clip. Play this clip, yeah. Of course as a theological matter, but I I think if we're speaking in political terms this is a government >> Right. run by, you know, secular people by and large. >> Yes. And they're saying God gave us this land. Okay, what land? What are the boundaries? So, we should at least define the terms. Second, who's we? What does it mean? Who are the people who inherited this? So, the Prime Minister of Israel is not religious. He doesn't keep the Sabbath or keep kosher. I'm not attacking him. I'm just saying like then what are you talking about? Are you saying you have a genetic inheritance? Like what Okay, let's say >> Can Can someone who converts to Judaism claims divine right from Brooklyn, New York? >> even want to have these conversations. They're the ones pushing them. I think people I'm happy to people practice their own religions. I don't want to get involved. Yeah. I don't want to know everything about Mormonism or Islam or whatever. It's fine. But as long as you're saying you have a right to my money and your parents land on the basis of this promise in Genesis, I have a right to ask you what the heck you're talking about. Did you know that Israel goes out of its way to prevent Messianic believers from making aliyah? No. Jewish believers in Jesus. If they find out that you believed in Jesus, they don't they don't give you the right to immigrate to Israel. What? So, whose land >> true? whose promise? Yeah, I have a lot of Jewish friends who are believers in Jesus and they share with me. And they can't move back to Israel and get all the rights of Not as So, they're really Okay, so now that we're talking like present-day concrete political realities. There are two claims that they could potentially be making. One is is faith-based. So, I believe in this religion called Judaism. And we could debate what that religion is. Is it Talmudic or rabbinic? Whatever. That's all separate conversation that I don't want to have, but like they're pushing this. But it's either faith-based, I believe in this, or it's blood-based. It's genetic. And they they have also historical claims. Say Jews been here. We have a historical >> the Jews then? They are >> Like do you have more DNA? I don't know if you if you even know the answer, but do you if we were to say okay, who lived in first century Palestine, current day Israel, are you more closely related to those people or is Benjamin Netanyahu more closely related to those people? They should do DNA test and see. And I did my DNA test. Palestinian Christians are Levantine of origin. So it's likely that you have more Jewish ancestors than Benjamin Netanyahu's family is from Europe. >> Probably. Okay. So so then it can't be genetic because right? >> Yes. There you go. Jeremy, please. >> No, but I but there was two which clips are we doing? There's there's there's one to talk about that. >> I just want to say this is the problem. They give you so much they barrage you with so much insanity and so much twisted distorted logical and where do you even start? Okay, sorry. The first one Jeremy. We we need to scissors rock and paper for who gets to do this. No, you do it. No, I'm serious. You can really do it first. It's it's it's genetic. And it's is BB that's the two questions. Is this a genetic thing or is this are the Arabs more uh Basically what gives the Jews the right to the land? That was the first one. The first one, what gives the Jews the right to the land? God. >> [laughter] >> Okay. And the second one was he's more Jewish than BB Netanyahu. >> And then then in his case it well either way he he he's the inheritor of the promise. Cuz he's actually more you know. Okay. Okay, he's who's that >> ways it's exciting. They're really sparking some of the most foundational fundamental >> is that with in three sentences like that's that's that's like manipulated. That's twisted. It's like wait, I want to like take all of those things apart. So like can we just go back for once to to what is it once 116? I just want to hear like what >> First part? Yeah, the first that we just like then we can do the second part. I just want to make sure that I like want to if it's like showing that clip and then the response then I want to make sure that I'm responding to what he's saying. Second one, who's we? What does it mean? Who are the people who inherited this? So the Prime Minister of Israel is not religious. He doesn't keep the Sabbath or keep kosher. I'm not attacking him. I'm just saying like then what are you talking about? Are you saying you have a genetic inheritance? Like what Okay, let's hear the next >> Can the promise was given to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and their children forever. The Jewish people are quite literally an extended family. We are all interconnected, but what's so beautiful about the family is that anyone can join. It doesn't matter if you're a black Jew, a white Jew, a polka dot Jew, a yellow Jew. You can always attach yourself to Israel. You not Jewish, you're living in the land, you've been here for years, you have a like a place in this land. And so, it's not about a genetic thing, it's about an idea thing. Are you connecting to the idea of what Israel represents? Are you connecting to the God of Israel? If you connect to the God of Israel as our father and you attach yourself to the nation of Israel, then of course you have a place within the land of Israel. And so, there's always been righteous among the nations that have attached themselves to Israel. Moab was uh an enemy country, but Ruth the Moabite eventually attached herself to Israel and gave birth to King David and the Messianic Dynasty. That didn't have to do with ethnicity or DNA. She was a total non-Jew from the nations that attached herself to Israel. And specifically, the attachment of the righteous among the nations is what gave birth to the Messianic Dynasty. So, it's not just the Jews with their genetics, it's much beyond that, but at the same time, it's confusing because the Jews are one large extended family from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And anyone that attaches themselves to Israel is like joining the family of Israel. It's like one tree, and you can be grafted onto a tree and you become a part of that tree. You become a part of that family. And so, it is a family, but the family is open to all those that want to join. All right, I want you to answer this next question and I want to play this clip cuz he Who So, who are the Jews then? Let me play this clip and I don't Ari if you can respond to this part of this this whole >> Okay, but can I just say in one in one sentence I just want to respond to that because there's just so much to say there. You know, look back at Abraham. It's the same thing with us. We came to the land. We bought it at top dollar. We conquered it in a war in an actual war of this world with tanks and weapons and we won against overwhelming odds, right? And still we have to defend our right to be there because they're essentially speaking to the heart to the soul of the situation saying, "Yeah, but what's it really for?" And that's the question we really need to ask ourselves. What's it really for? Is it just that we have a a safe place Am Yisrael to go when when the world wants to kill us or are we supposed to be shining a light of godliness and truth and Torah to the entire nations of the world? That's like the the essence of the question that is being but meaning God is using them right now as an instrument, but I don't want to hold you back. No, but I want you to answer that question. I think there's also an expectation. It's interesting the way he's like Bibi Netanyahu, he doesn't keep Shabbat, he doesn't keep kosher, and I feel like that's so interesting that intuitively they want the people of Israel and our leadership to live by the Torah. If and so do I. If we could only be integral, have integrity, live by the Torah that God gave us in this land, that's what the world is waiting for and what we're doing is we are just confusing the world. We're confusing the world because we haven't won yet. We haven't just taken over that and just created the facts on the ground by declaring sovereignty. And we're also confusing the world saying, "Well, if you're God's chosen people and God gave you the Torah, why aren't you living by the Torah in the land like the Torah says?" And so uh what can I say other than he's right? The Prime Minister of Israel should keep Shabbat. The Prime Minister of Israel should keep kosher. And we should live by that word. Right. The book of Amos says, "V'shavti shvut ami They will rebuild desolate I will return the exiles of my people. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine. They will rebuild desolate cities. I shall plant them on the land and they'll never be uprooted again. Hashem will return your captives, gather you from the nations, bring you to the land your forefathers possessed. The city shall be inhabited, the ruins rebuilt. Like how much more do you need? You can't turn the page of the Bible without literally the prophecies that are being fulfilled right now through us. Well, I want to say something. When you spiritualize the Bible, which is what they're doing, they're saying, "Oh, that's a spiritual ingathering. It's talking about a spiritual rebuilding of cities and a spiritual of vineyards." Well, then who's to define what that spiritual meaning is? Oh, it's the church fathers. They can then decide what the spiritual meaning is. It's like a controlling of that religion instead of letting God take control instead of letting reality define what the truth is. And the reason why it's all happening now is because the world is going to be filled with lies. The prophets literally say, "Lies will look like truths and truths will look like lies and no one will know what to make of all the lies." And so, there is just going to be a truth, the Jewish people returning to the land, building a kingdom in this country, building up Jerusalem as the capital. It's just what's going to be reality and AI won't be able to fake it and the fake news won't be able to manipulate it. It will just be God's sovereignty as the people of Israel declare sovereignty on the world. That's what it's there for. It's to bring truth and clarity to a world filled with lies. >> The biggest reason I want to play this clip is just cuz it's absolutely so idiotic and stupid and and just so A perfect way to finish the show. >> [laughter] >> We are running out of time. We are running out of time, but there is one more thing that we have to get in on this. There's actually two more things we have to get in really quickly. So, let's let's speed through this. >> a rule that has to be an hour or could it be an hour 10 if we need to? No, there's just 50 people waiting outside to eat lunch, but that's all right. >> [laughter] >> So, they're really Okay, so now that we're talking like present-day concrete political realities, there are two claims that they could potentially be making. One is is uh faith-based. So, I believe in this religion called Judaism. And we could debate what that religion is. Is it Talmudic or rabbinic? Whatever. That's all separate conversation that I don't want to have. But like they're pushing this. But it's either faith-based, I believe in this, or it's blood-based. It's genetic. >> I think they have also historical claims. They Jews been here. We have a historical >> are the Jews then? They >> Like do you have more DNA? I don't know if you if you even know the answer, but do you If we were to say, "Okay, who lived in first-century Palestine, current-day Israel, are you more closely related to those people or is Benjamin Netanyahu more closely related to those people?" They should do DNA test and see. And I did my DNA test. Palestinian Christians are Levantine of origin. So, it's likely that you have more Jewish ancestors than Benjamin Netanyahu's family's from Europe. >> Probably. Okay. Wow. That is the craziest. That's That's what I'm talking about. Absolute idiocy. Can I just point out too like it the the whole context is we don't want to have this conversation. We don't want to get in anybody's business or tell people what they can believe or what religion they can be a part of. But but it's you know, it's important. We We have to. You're going to force me. We have to ask the question. Who are the Jews? And what gives them the right to modern-day Israel? Because we have to finish up. There's two things that they said in the show that we have to cover. So, we have to jump here really quickly. But I want to hear about Jeremy and I No, no, no. This is your job. This is your department. >> No, but I just think Everybody agrees that that's just that's just stupid. I just wanted everybody to hear that cuz it's just really stupid to say that maybe this Arab from the Levant has more Jewish ancestry than Bibi Netanyahu. I mean, that's just that's just a little bit far for me. And I don't think we need to talk about it much more. But there's something really, really cool um that they discussed here that I think is is awesome. It's talking about Jewish sovereignty in Jerusalem. Can we want to play this clip? Total disregard of the historic church that has been sitting there for the past 2,000 years. Okay? I pray for the peace of Jerusalem. But praying for the peace of Jerusalem does not mean accepting the destruction of Gaza. How do you respond to something like that? No, no, no, you start. >> You want me to start? >> Yes. Well, I just think it's absolutely it's it's it's it's a different religion to say that you shouldn't this this Jewish we pray for the peace of Jerusalem, but it's it shouldn't be a Jewish sovereignty is not what God what King David meant when he when he stated the words in the Psalms that you should pray for the peace of was the King David Jerusalem in the vision of the Messianic kingdom not Jewish and was this story somehow that is a different religion and to me it's it's it's more Islamic than anything else. I'm just pretty blatant about that. >> Well, right there it really goes to the heart of the issue. They don't want a Jewish Jerusalem. They don't want a Jewish people. That's why they keep on questioning who are the Jews. They want us to just disappear because then they can control the narrative. They can control the Bible. It's all spiritual anyway. I'll tell you what spirituality means. It's actually all analogy for AI and we need to worship AI now because the spiritual blessings of the rebuilding of who knows they could just make up whatever they want. And so Israel is going to be a light because it will bring the bottom line truth into reality. And they can try to replace us, but here we are. Jerusalem has never been so big. There've never been more Jews living in Jerusalem than ever before. So what will happen is that reality will reveal itself and the truth is reality and God is reality and God is good and the truth is good and eventually all of these lies will be exposed for what they are. >> And it's already starting to reveal itself now because anyone with the a modicum of intellectual honesty and curiosity can go and just look up the fact that right now Muslim Arabs, Christians, Catholics, the whole spectrum, Jews, the whole world has more access to pray in Jerusalem under a Jewish Jerusalem than ever before. A true international Jerusalem is under the nation of Israel, the state of Israel. Now unfortunately because we're in the days leading up to Redemption and we're not there now, the temple that we are seeking to build, that we've been praying to build, the temple that Ezekiel talked about in chapter 43. >> about the third temple? Oh, yes. Yes, there's prophecy about >> this clip for you real quick? >> Play this Play the clip. But one of the ideas that's common among Christian Scientists is that they need Christians need to help rebuild this thing called the Third Temple. Yes. in Jerusalem. Unfortunately, there's a mosque on the site, one of the holiest places in Islam, Aqsa Mosque, but is that something that Christians should want to rebuild the Third Temple? What is that? Where does that idea come from? And what would happen if it were attempted? >> Absolutely not. The short answer. Okay. Jesus in Ephesians 2, he knocked down the wall of hostility that separated the Jews and the Gentiles. Yes. Why are we bringing it back up? Why are we building it? There is no point There is no scripture that pointed to the fact that Christians need to build the Third Temple. There is no prophecy about the Third Temple. There is no way in scripture about anything close to a Third >> But we're doing it. I mean, we're moving toward knocking down Al-Aqsa Mosque and replacing it with a Third Temple. I mean, all things being equal, it's going to happen. It was just occupied yesterday by a bunch of settlers. So, this is happening in slow motion. Christians are paying for it. Again, they're What is going on? >> They're putting their hopes in earthly matters, where I direct them to the faith that Abraham had, where he fixed his eyes on what eternal. The New Jerusalem. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. First of all >> answer to that, but I want to hear the rabbinic one first. >> Yeah, I don't want to get into I'm going to let you touch I'm going to let you touch on the on the on the Christian thing about knocking down the wall of hostility. I mean, someone should have sent that memo to 2,000 years of Jews that was butchered at the sword, at the stake, in the Inquisition, in the Cossacks, in the pogroms, in Tucker Carlson's religion of no blood guilt that's 10 minutes old. Okay, but I mean the fact is Ezekiel chapter 43 verse 11. The I mean I'll go to the English. Make known to them the design of the temple, its arrangements, its exits, its entrances, all its forms, all its statutes, and all its laws. Meaning there it's not symbolic. There's actual architectural instructions for the third temple. I will set the prophet Ezekiel I will set my sanctuary among them forever. My dwelling place shall be with them. Right? In the last days, the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established and all nations will flow to it. That when we're praying for the temple, the temple we're praying for isn't just a Jewish temple. It's a temple for my house will be a house of prayer for all nations. And just as the priests are to the the 12 tribes of Israel, all of Israel is to the nations of the world. We are priests in that temple to bless the nations of the world. And until we start doing it now, until we start blessing the nations now, then it's not going to happen. Meaning we have to see the world through Messiah's through redemptive eyes and hear their questions although they're cynical and twisted, try to get to the bottom light spark of truth in there, focus on that and really ask ourselves inside, are we doing what we're supposed to be doing as a nation of Israel? You're asking yourselves that, that's what's led you to do what you're doing. Now you you go ahead I No, I'm just saying my approach to this whole thing is is that it's absolutely not biblical. It's not a it's not a biblical narrative at all. Like he he just literally obviously doesn't know his Bible to say there's no prophecy about the third temple. What kind of idiocy is that? I mean that's literally not true. The Bible is the it points toward a future day when God's presence will be established again on the mountain of God. >> mountain of God. Zion, that's Old Testament and New Testament where Jesus actually quoted the Old Testament when said, "This will be a house of prayer for all nations." Isaiah. Right. So like there's literally no argument for it. >> so yeah, there's no argument for this kind of thing. And again, if I were to just boil this all down and I know we got to wrap up is is that there's a war against the Jews. There's those that bless Israel and there's those that curse Israel. >> Jeremy still had something to say cuz like there was like >> just it. You can't >> There's There's a lot of smoke that's been coming out of everybody's ears. We just need to make sure and [laughter] Well, I I think that it's just beautiful that, you know, the nations right now, they're all aligning up to attack us. They're attacking us theologically, physically, militarily, politically. They're just everywhere. And the Jews are still holding on to the dream that we are going to build the temple in Jerusalem that will be a blessing to the world. A blessing to all those nations that are coming to attack us. And we're not going to give up that hope. We're still going to hope in the world, hope in God, hope in Jerusalem. And even if they're coming to attack us, we're really just coming here to bless them. And our blessing and our love is going to overpower all of the darkness. I'm with you. Can I end this with a prayer? But this prayer is not my prayer. This is the prayer that King Solomon explicitly prayed in during the dedication of the temple. And this is the prayer that we really need to to be having in our hearts. He said, "Moreover, pleading to God, moreover, God, concerning a stranger that is not of thy people Israel, but come out of countries far and wide for your name's sake, hear their prayers in heaven in your dwelling place and do according to all that the stranger calls you to do, that all the people of the earth shall know your name and fear you as your people Israel do, and that they may know that this house is called by your name." Amen. Amen. That is the prayer right now that we need to we need to be praying not only for the temple, but for the nations of the world to receive God's light and blessing, including Tucker Carlson. >> about to say including Tucker Carlson. He should I don't have any animosity and anger towards him or I try not to most of the time. When there's just such sinister, distorted, twisted lies, it's hard not to, but I still pray for him to receive God's light and blessing and humility through compassion and mercy and not through refinement, which could be very, very painful. >> Kind of sad you forgot to talk about his rooster and stuff like that, but you know, there's a yeah, discussion about the show, but well, we we could go for another hour, but unfortunately, we we filmed this show in a in a cafe in the corner of a cafeteria. We're trying to build a real studio this year and I'm just mentioning this in case anyone watching wants to help sponsor a brand new studio that we're hoping to build and then we can go over two hours when we're on topics like this, but we have 40 volunteers waiting outside the door to come in and eat lunch right now. 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