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Inside Israel Today: Why Israel-Lovers Should Care about the World Cup
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Gil Hoffman speaks to the "Sports Rabbi," Josh Halickman, about the World Cup and why even though Israel has not made the tournament since 1970, people who love the Jewish state should be watching. Halickman, who is an expert on Israeli sports, explains why Israel has not had much success in the most popular sport among its people. Gil then speaks about the ongoing divide between Israelis and young, progressive American Jews and why the choice of a new chairman of the Jewish Agency in the week ahead could be the key to either solving or deepening the problem.
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you're listening to inside Israel today
with Gil Hoffman on the land of Israel
Network hello and welcome to inside
Israel today broadcasting live from
Jerusalem not life hello and welcome to
inside Israel today broadcasting from
Jerusalem on a beautiful Tuesday here in
Israel and I myself am not so into it
but Israelis all around me including my
children are excited about what the rest
of the world is excited about which is
the World Cup it's going on right now
people all around the world are watching
these games and growing up in America
we're not really taught to appreciate
soccer the way people are in the rest of
the world and perhaps we're missing out
I don't know and growing up in Israel
children play soccer more than any other
sport but watching it I have made a
point of doing it a little bit with my
son because I want him to fit in but it
doesn't make me really find it exciting
and what I have found interesting though
is that there are connections between
Israel and the pretty much every team
playing and I was very impressed by an
article written by the one and only
sports rabbi Josh Halleck Minh who found
these connections with every single team
and I said I've got to get him on my
show here and so Josh sports rabbi thank
you for being here on inside Israel
today my pleasure Gil how you doing I'm
doing very well
so our listeners here on the land of
Israel network are people who love
Israel around the world mostly in
America that they might not like or love
soccer as much as they do Israel tell
people here listening if they love
Israel why should they be watching the
World Cup
listen there's plenty going on in the
World Cup that relates to Israel from
top to bottom first of all there are
probably over 10,000 Israelis that will
be at games in the World Cup in Russia
over the month which is incredible
amount of people considering the size of
the State of Israel that's a huge number
it's a massive numbers look at Mexico
for example there are roughly thirty to
forty thousand people that will be in
Russia and their population is far
superior than Ruud of Israel's and you
know that's the bottom line
football is soccer football many is that
interchangeably here is number one in
Israel and it is across the world even
the United States right now
soccer is a much bigger sport than I
once was it's grown 2026 the united
states canada and mexico was awarded the
World Cup which is a big a big boost for
the country itself also the last time
the World Cup was in the United States
is 1994 but for Israelis it's been 48
years since Israel is actually featured
in the World Cup so we have to find ways
of core skill that we can associate with
the World Cup and enjoy it with all the
other various countries that are in it
as well so for me the most interesting
development happened I believe on
Shabbat when there was a game between
Morocco and Iran and Iran won the game
even though they didn't score I found
that odd that can happen explain our
listeners how did that happen well they
did score they soared very late in the
game of course by the time about hit in
Israel it was already it was already you
know so about an Israel and Iran Iran
and rocks actually most of that game and
when we were finished Shabbat we found
out that he ran it actually had actually
won that game which is kind of shocking
there was a late game I believe it was a
known goal late in the game what is a
known goal the ball may have gone off of
a player from the upper tube very so the
other team goes our word for Iran
corrected good O'Connor
it could have deflected off of the
player it could have accidentally shot
it into his own goal lots of different
aspects as to how it would be on gold in
the 95th minute listen yesterday or two
days ago there was and there was a known
goal as well happened it's a common
occurrence in football soccer common
that of all
deflect accidentally off into your own
player and go right into the goal it
happens what can you do it's three
points in it to win but this is terrible
this means that that that Iran is
victorious does this mean that they're
going to move forward
wouldn't that be bad for the Jews listen
I ran this first of all these three
games in the group there's no problem
there's plenty of time there's plenty of
time to see if they're going to advance
or not that's number one number two you
have to look at the fact that is really
Iran actually were you know once upon a
time very good friends under the Shah
before the Islamic Revolution in the
late 70s you should know that Israel
used to go to Tehran and play in Iran on
a frequent basis the Israel national
team was there very very frequently
which is in itself amazing most recently
in 1974 but that wasn't just the only
time we competed together in the Asia
Cup they were friends Ron was one of the
Israel's the biggest biggest supporters
back in those days and I also believe
many of the Iranian people today would
support Israel as well if not for the
government so it's a an interesting mix
of various types of things also Gill
don't worry about that group but Iran
making it out because Portugal and Spain
are also in that group with Morocco and
Iran and I can guarantee you the
Portugal Spain will most probably be
getting out of that group and into the
round of 16 after the three games of the
half the play but again one of you know
Gil I want to mention this also in Iran
do you know that in Iran women are not
allowed to go watch the games in the
stadium so there are thousands of
Iranian women that traveled from Iran to
Russia as well as Iranian families note
the world that are going specifically to
see international team game the national
team play because they are allowed to go
into the stadium in Russia which itself
is phenomenal
that is indeed phenomenal and perhaps if
Iran at the last minute needs an extra
player they can use gonan Segev the
Israeli former cabinet minister who
spied for them I think that he might be
an expert on it own goals and I hope
that there won't be more teams in that
group who decide to score for Iran we'll
have to see if there's more spying going
on in countries players perhaps
defecting and who knows what what
intelligence we need in order to find
out what's going to happen next in
Iranian soccer okay so if I'm an Israeli
who am i cheering for is there any
country that that I want to win you know
that's a great question I think if you
ask me Raley's will hear different
answers from Argentina from because we
love Leo Messi
even though Leo Messi did not come at
the last minute the Israel people still
love Messi they want to see him win
people love Ronaldo they want to see
Portugal with people like Belgium
because doesn't have a kind of a
maintained soccer players
people like Brazil because there's
Neymar Colombia is coached by josé
Pekerman who happens to be Jewish
originally an argent and Argentinian Jew
so people may be rooting for them
Croatia one of Israel's big you know big
partners now especially a lot of
security issues people may be rooting
for Croatia England of course is always
a fan favorite they love Harry Kane and
Eric in of course at two goals last
night or could be from transmen Israel
we have so many people that have moved
to Israel from friends that have made
alia from France that people are going
to be rooting for them
I have a good question for you kill it
yes all the countries that are in the
World Cup right now what country may
have the most Israelis in it
could it be Germany bit of a Germany
perhaps there were there Russian
immigrants who will try to make alia and
had tough times and then move to Germany
and a large community their version
immigrants a baby think about that we
may have the most Israelis in the world
in Germany itself irony of ironies so
they're going to be opening for them
maybe it's Iceland Iceland's a nice
country feet are curtains in place for
Maccabi Tel Aviv you didn't make the
World Cup roster but you know people
like I still did an underdog maybe I'm
not gonna cup in the UN yes that's true
in Nigeria
jonno group plays for Nepal bear Shaba
maybe they're rooting for them the list
goes on and on yeah it's really a
so you can ask about 32 different people
in Israel 32 different Israelis you may
get 32 different answers maybe it's
somebody of Moroccan descent maybe it's
somebody Asian descent that are rooting
for those teams it's it's crazy it's a
very interesting about you know in
gathering of exiles and that makes us
such a unique country in that we could
probably find ties to third all 32
various different countries of people
rooting for all those countries within
this country of Israel so I did that I
did try to speak to politicians about
who they're rooting for and it turned
out a lot of it had to do with politics
you had politicians who were saying
they're there rooting against Argentina
because Argentina cancelled the game
that they were going to be having here
against the Israeli team a friendly
match and be so because of that they're
rooting for Brazil which is the arch
enemy of Argentina I've been told and
then you had politicians were saying
anyone but Iran and you had a left-wing
politician saying they wanted Egypt to
win because this rail has a peace
agreement with Egypt and so everyone has
their own political reason for
supporting a team why is it that Israel
hasn't had a team there since 1960 1970
actually 48 years thank you thank you
for the Maus 48 years no it's
interesting i spoke to somebody
yesterday that was associated with the
the 1970 soccer movement here in israel
i spoke to him yesterday as we were
watching one of the games in the
afternoon and i asked them I said you
know what's the story that was was the
World Cup such a big thing here back in
1970 and he looked at me says was it big
sitting here he said it was a massive he
says even back in 1970 the fact that
they were playing in a tournament went
at the time there were only 16 teams
that Israel was actually featured in the
World Cup even in 1970 was massive not
only that in the seventies Israel played
in the Olympic Games in soccer which was
huge in Montreal specifically in 1976
I've spoken many times to Vicky parrots
one of the stars of that team saying
that it was massive for the for Israel
for the country of Israel now
why haven't we moved been able to create
a team I think there's a lot of issues
that really start number one with budget
Israel has to spend X amount of money on
budget towards the fence every single
year many of these countries do not have
to do that
therefore there are very little public
funds that go into the development of
sports and specifically development the
football or soccer here in Israel
whereas a country like Iceland for
example you've 300,000 people but
defense is not exactly on their priority
list and they can spend millions and
millions of euros towards creating
footballers it's a very simple equation
if Israel had the money to be able to to
put into and to fund the more and more
sports activities maybe and perhaps we'd
be able to create better footballers
better athletes that's a very very big
question that's still out there and we
rely primarily on private dollars it
could be donors it could be people that
own various teams that are not from
Israel it could be just people that in
orders or their own teams and that
invest because they are big sports fans
but it is when you're not being provided
with the government funding and the
public funding you're knocked into
cheaper with the teams
hello last night was very interesting to
tell been to find one of the great
Israeli defenders of all time speaking
about why that is and he's dead straight
out at the end of the day we're falling
way behind Israel is falling way behind
these other countries and the fact that
Israel right now does not have a head
coach for the national team does not
have a director of the national team and
they've gone through a couple of Windows
without playing friendly games it is in
essence not going to be helping anybody
because it's a cross saving measure so
for us to be able to think that we're
going to be going into a tournament
anytime soon I think unfortunately we're
sadly mistaken Jill I hope that Roman
Abramowitz is listening to this show
he's a very wealthy man in England that
owned a British team over there that's
that's a really important team right
Chelsea he owns Chelsea so that's a
pretty big team that's a huge
multi-billion dollar
investment over the time that he's on
that team again somebody like that if he
decided to put in ten million dollars a
ten million euros into infrastructure or
into infrastructure helping the sports
situation here not even infrastructure
in stadiums I'm not an infrastructure
and actually teaching children values as
they grow up understanding what it's
like to be an athlete could go be very
very very far away and that's at this
point what we're hoping unless of course
we have peace in the Middle East and
Israel divert all kinds of funds from
defense into a sports well I hope that a
Roman Abramowitz listens to this show I
think we'll have to settle for re
Abramowitz but I don't think that he has
millions of euros to invest he has five
dollars and 42 cents left in his Skype
account my last question I guess would
be the immigrants to Israel are the ones
who've helped us a lot in sports we had
immigrants to Israel from the former
Soviet Union who built up various sports
in Israel and led to Olympic medals we
had immigrants from the United States
who've gotten baseball going here what
about all those immigrants we've had
from Brazil and from Argentina why are
they and the French why are they not
building up our local soccer industry
here do we just get the Nerds from those
countries are those the only Oh Liam you
know it's actually a great question I
don't know the answer to it I'd say that
it's combination of what you said it
could be the people water you know not
invest their time in sports so they're
investing in other things Americans
there's a definite sports passion but of
course I live in a building where
there's a huge you know a couple of
Brazilian fans that are rooting for the
World Cup again that may not be the
priority when they come to Israel I
think obviously if there were people in
their countries and there are definitely
Jews of means that are coming from
countries like Brazil and Argentina and
other countries in South America that
would invest in the soccer situation
Israel would be much better much better
bump in world standing and those
those specific sports but until that
time comes we're gonna just still have
to do what we have to do and listen we
have a great league we have a
competitive league we have some great
teams beat Maccabi Tel Aviv a Paul beare
Shaba and others and we just have to do
the best with what we have right now and
try to continue to expand what we do and
hopefully along the way there'll be
somebody that will you know some people
will stop by and say wow this is
something amazing that we want to invest
in that we want to show our true Zionist
pride in and hopefully that date will
come sooner rather than later Gil we
will pray for that sports rabbi thank
you for coming here and inside Israel
today on the Land of Israel Network
my pleasure Gil have a great day enjoy
watching soccer after the break we will
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and we're back here on inside Israel
today on the Land of Israel network on
the Land of Israel calm we talked in the
first part of the show about soccer and
about Israel not doing particularly well
in soccer in fact America as well and
being an Israeli and an American that
has made me not really turned on to
soccer but his also made me care a lot
about the relationship between Israel
and American Jews and we're at a crucial
turning point in that relationship
because right now there's a lot of anger
between Israel and a lot of American
Jews not all of them but the ones who
are more left-wing where the majority of
them the ones who are progressive and
not Orthodox where the majority of them
the ones who don't like Donald Trump who
are the overwhelming majority of them
and they see Israel being a country
that's becoming increasingly right-wing
because of the security situation over
here and increasingly Orthodox because
of the demographic situation over here
and increasingly pro-trump because he's
been indisputably good to Israel and
that makes them resent Israel or at
least resent those particular patterns
that are going on here and that is
something that might be very dangerous
for Israel's future Israel needs this
relationship that it has with American
progressive left-wing Jews we can't
afford to lose that and I'm not sure we
have a government that really cares
about that issue and we have a Netanyahu
who broke the Western Wall deal after
had been reached in a comprehensive
agreement but that was worked out by his
cabinet secretary at the time of Ehime
and elet who's an Orthodox Jew and is
now the Attorney General he the
ultra-orthodox and the reform and
conservative finally agreed on this deal
and then the ultra-orthodox came under
pressure from their own constitution
sieze because of their own reporting
that they have in their own media
outlets and that's in Yahoo under
pressure from the ultra-orthodox backed
off back down and that's made it
increasingly tense between Israel and
American Jews there were also fights
that work and the conversion issue
fights over who is a Jew their chief
rabbinate in Israel is not only Orthodox
its ultra-orthodox it turns away
potential converts who were converted by
very respected Modern Orthodox rabbis in
the United States and there are those
who say that Netanyahu himself in close
conversation since basically given up on
left-wing American Jews he's seen
studies like the one that came out a few
days ago from the Pew organization that
found that in a matter of decades
there's going to be more Jews in America
affiliated with the Orthodox movement
than the reform and conservative
movements but this study says it's gonna
happen in 40 years ok that's a long way
away
we need that non-orthodox majority for
the next 40 years we can't say what
Netanyahu has been reported by very
legitimate sources that are close to him
and saying in closed conversations that
we can just rely on Christian
evangelicals and Orthodox Jews in the
United States and give up on the reform
and conservative and unaffiliated
American Jews and so at this time of
tension the next week will be extremely
critical to that relationship this
coming week the Board of Governors of
the Jewish Agency is going to be
replacing Natanz Sharansky Natanz
Oransky is a living legend
he was refusenik in Russia the most
famous of them who was thrown in jail
for wanting to practice his Judaism and
for wanting to move to Israel
the efforts by the refuseniks to protest
against their government and those
protesting on their behalf
in the United States and around the
world led to the downfall of the Soviet
Union of the second strongest empire in
the world 'not insurance key came here
and he formed the Israel Valley a party
that helped the Russian immigrants who
moved here and he was a cabinet minister
and now for the last nine years he has
been the chairman of the Jewish Agency
he stayed on an extra year beyond his he
had two terms each of four years and he
stayed on an extra year because number
one he was worried about the Western
Wall issue and he thought he could fix
it and number and he failed and number
two he was worried about this gap that
was growing between American Jews in
Israel that he saw would be exacerbated
by the animosity of American Jews to
Donald Trump in the contrast that there
is with the way Trump is seen by an
overwhelming majority of Israelis and
Natasha rensky was asked to stay longer
he refused he said I was in nine years
in prison and Russia I'm nine years in
prison at the Jewish Agency
I'm not staying for another day now not
staying for another day means next
Tuesday when I'm sitting here at this
chair there should already be a new
chairman of the Jewish Agency and yet
here we are we have absolutely no idea
what's going to happen over the next
week as often happens in Israel they are
leaving things for the last minute to
see how they turn out the American
Jewish leaders are going to come up with
their candidate their Prime Minister
Netanyahu will come up with his
candidate and they're supposed to
compromise and because there is this
animosity between Netanyahu and American
Jewish leaders
whoever Netanyahu announces as its
candidate and I've heard he has some
mystery candidate who has not been the
subject of speculation whoever it is
chances are the American Jews are going
to say no and whoever the America
Jews pick as their number-one draft pick
chances are Netanyahu will say no
because he knows that they're out to get
him he knows that they want to have a
Jewish Agency Chairman who will use that
important post it was once occupied by
David ben-gurion as a launching pad for
attacks against Netanyahu who this
person will be the leader of diaspora
jury against the enemy of diaspora Jewry
which besides the simulation is
Netanyahu and there's going to be
tremendous fights between Netanyahu and
diaspora jury as long as Netanyahu is in
power and they're picking their
quarterback for those fights or I get
their striker if I have to use a term
from the other kind of football soccer
and so don't be surprised if you've seen
it in Yahoo come up with some mystery
candidate and then the American just say
no way and the American Jews say we want
Isaac Herzog who's the leader of the
opposition against Netanyahu and the
Knesset and Netanyahu says no way and
then it's in Yahoo says well I want you
of Alstyne it's one of the cabinet
ministers who's been closest to me
though it's somewhat connected to one of
the Criminal Investigations and it has a
reputation for giving speeches that are
quite long and have been known to put
people to sleep the American Jews
because of those reasons and because of
his closest and it's now could say no
way and then the American Jews can say
okay well we want Nachman Shai from the
Labour Party or we want Michael Oren
former ambassador and then maybe
Netanyahu say no to them or maybe he'll
say yes to Michael Oren and he'll be the
compromise candidate because he trusts
him and they trust him or maybe maybe
the one side or the other will say they
don't want Michael Oren or Michael Oren
will say he doesn't want the job which
he very well might do he is undecided at
as we're at this moment I can tell you
and maybe somebody like Ron purse or
whoo right now heads one of the schools
there at the Hertz of the
interdisciplinary center was our
ambassador to the United Nations maybe
he'll come from out of nowhere and take
this plum job and I mean he speaks with
a British accent he was our X he was our
ambassador to Britain maybe he will
present a very different point of view
if he becomes the chairman of the Jewish
Agency so look anything can happen and
it's going to be very exciting what
happens over the next few days I
reported in The Jerusalem Post published
today Tuesday we currently care more
about the internet Edition than the
print edition so I can tell you it was
published this article last night around
10 o'clock at night and now you can see
it if you go to gil underscore hoffman
on twitter an article that says that the
american jewish leaders on the search
committee for the chairman of the jewish
agency have already put out invitations
to come and be interviewed by them this
coming weekend starting Thursday I
verified that they sent invitations to
Ron purse or to Michael Oren and to
Nachman Shia I'm sure there are others
who received invitations who are not
volunteering that information as I'm
sitting here but we'll get to the bottom
of things so stay tuned to W J post com
to the Jerusalem Post app and to Gil
underscore Hoffman on Twitter to see all
the excitement as it happens and then
continue to follow after a new chairman
of the Jewish Agency has picked to see
how here you never know she will work to
ease that frightening gap that there is
between Israel American Jews and try to
have a better u.s. Jews Israel
relationship for the future which is so
key to Israel and thank you for being
here with us on inside Israel today on
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