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Inside Israel Today: Preparing for an Inspiring Seder
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Gil Hoffman asks Jerusalem Post columnist Rabbi Stewart Weiss the tough questions about the upcoming Passover holiday, including how this year is different from other years, do we really have to say every word of the Haggadah if we want to keep our children involved, and do we really have to eat the bitter herbs? The Rabbi explains that we can only appreciate sweetness after the bitter herbs have been overcome. The interview concludes with a preview of the next holiday, the 70th birthday of Israel, and the question of how we show our appreciation to God.
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the truth is there is so much to be
happy about here in the state of
Israel's we have grown from such a small
little Enclave now we have over eight
and a half million residents you're
listening to inside Israel today with
your Hoffman on the land of Israel
Network hello and welcome to inside
Israel today here on the land of Israel
network on the land of israel calm and
we've had a tradition here on this show
going back years now going back to the
show on that other network that we had
in which before holidays we speak to
Rabbi Stewart Weiss the wonderful
columnist in The Jerusalem Post who
inspires so many people with his columns
especially before holidays and I've kept
a column that he wrote about Passover in
ten talking points for Passover about
ten years ago I've kept in my Haggadah
and I've reviewed it with my children
including just a few days ago and it
still inspires me every year it also
proves that I forget every year before
Passover starts what we're supposed to
say at the Seder and so that's why it's
great that we have rabbi Weiss back here
on the line
rabbi thank you for coming back here on
inside Israel today on the Land of
Israel Network how is this year
different than other years the to
paraphrase the Seder well good good
morning good day to all the listeners
out there and thank you Gil Hoffman for
your usually great radio broadcast that
we all appreciate and enjoy
well this Pesa you know in many ways of
course every year we are going through
the same ritual and the same reading
from the same Haggadah about Tessa
and as the Haggadah tells us in every
generation there are those who stand up
against us and wish to harm us but God
always saves us and this of course is
true as well this year because we are
surrounded by a lot of hostile neighbors
we are the subject of a lot of
demonization and anti-semitism
and so unfortunately that is no
different than other years and we have
to deal with it and the Haggadah warns
us that this one this for better or
worse is going to be something that we
deal with on an ongoing basis on the
other hand what's different this year is
that we have this wonderful opportunity
to celebrate the 70th year of Israel and
particularly the our ancient and eternal
capital of Jerusalem which having been
declared officially by the United States
as our capital is a wondrous event that
has not occurred for 70 years something
we've always wanted and waited for and
we're very privileged to live in a time
when this has come true the Haggadah
itself virtually ends with this famous
statement of LaShonda hey Bob you shall
I'm next year in Jerusalem and so we are
celebrating this year in Jerusalem and
hopefully many years to come
in our unified capital and we hope that
not only the United States but other
world powers will follow suit and will
recognize Jerusalem for what it's always
been and that is the eternal capital of
the Jewish people and that's what
history and geography and archaeology
and everything else shows and we hope
that we will be safe and sound and
United in our wonderful country with
Jerusalem as capital so this year saying
next year in Jerusalem can be especially
meaningful having a knowing that ish in
the next few weeks there's going to be
an American flag over an official
embassy here in Jerusalem that
definitely makes this year different
than other years in the Seder perhaps
even more special my next question to
you then would be about the other event
in which Passover is being referenced
which is Netanyahu over the last few
days it seems to be using the charoset
myrrh or analogy over and over again
Carosa listeners is a sweet dish made up
of apples and walnuts among other things
that we have at the at the Passover
Seder Aurora bitter
herbs and he said in a speech to Likud
activists in his pre Passover toast on
Thursday that there are people in this
country who focus on the myrrh or insist
on focusing on the bitter herbs but the
majority focuses on the her Osen on the
sweetness and then yesterday he did it
again yesterday he when he was speaking
after an investigation by police he said
I will celebrate the holiday with plenty
of corrosive and zero bitter herbs so
rabbi what do you think about that
analogy and do we really have to have
tomorrow well I would say that you know
there always is some bitter with the
sweet and mr. Netanyahu who I respect
very very much as a great leader in
Israel's history and in Jewish history
and I think mr. Netanyahu as well is
correct and emphasizing that we really
need to stress the positive and focus on
the positive because there's so much
positive yes there are some bitter times
he's facing his own some bitter issues
but the truth is that there's so much to
be happy about here in the State of
Israel there's so many good things which
are surrounding us and as we look back
and we see how much progress we've made
where we have grown from such a small
little Enclave of 600,000 in the opening
years of the state now we have over
eight and a half million residents and
the country is just doing thank God
phenomenally well and so although the
Haggadah does indeed tell us that we
have to remember the bitterness of the
past and we have to deal with that but
at the same time our focus is always
forward and always sends something
positive and I hope that it's going to
be a positive outcome and year for our
prime minister and the government as
well you can only appreciate the
sweetness after you've had the
bitterness indeed rabbi
a few weeks ago we had on our show the
issue of migrant workers and the experts
who I interviewed from the true slim
post was Dan Eisenbud and I want to pay
tribute to him on this show because enta
and Eisenbud is no longer with us
tragically and i recommend to our
listeners to go back and listen to his
brilliance from that show on the land of
israel calm but the reason why I'm
breaking this up here is that this
coming Saturday night when in Israel we
don't have a second stator like they do
in the Diaspora there's going to be a
Freedom Seder that the : ishyama Reform
synagogue in which the McClatchy
Sharelle organization that helps migrant
workers is going to be focusing on the
Seder and how it relates to the issue of
migrant workers and what they're going
through I don't know what to think about
this do you have any thoughts about this
rabbi well you know the the immigration
question is very complex and
multifaceted we are a compassionate
people we always have been we come from
diaspora that often mistreated us we
have to reach out and we have to show
compassion for others who are less
fortunate and and indeed there are many
of these immigrants who need who are
fleeing from war-torn countries and our
poor need help we must balance that of
course with the fact that every country
on Earth has to have its own immigration
laws and decide who can and cannot
become a citizen and how do you become a
citizen and the flow of illegal
immigration into any country is very
problematic Israel in this
administration has tried very hard to
prevent a massive amounts of illegal
immigration which is proper for those
who have come here and are already here
we have to try to find a solution so
that Israel has to remain a Jewish state
neighborhoods have to stay
safe crime has to be kept down we have
to whatever we do we have to do it with
compassion and we have to try to really
see both sides and help those where we
can help them and for those that are
here illegally and are breaking the law
we have to deal with that as well so it
is complex but hopefully we will find a
way
a Jewish way to deal with this problem
and keep the country strong and secure
while at the same time exercising a
certain amount of restraint and
compassion absolutely we who have been
through slaves need to have empathy for
people who are in difficult situations
in in Israel and around the world and
yet on the other side if this is a
freedom Seder and they're being compared
to the Jewish people
does that make Israel like Pharaoh I
don't know we'll take a break to allow
people to think about that and when we
come back we'll talk more about the
educational aspects of the Seder stay
with us
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inside israel today on the land of
israel network where we are speaking to
rabbi stuart wise columnist of the
jerusalem post about Passover so perhaps
the best Seder I ever had was a seder
that I did a few hours before the Seder
I just took my children and I said let's
just review by focusing on the good
parts we had the good food while we were
singing the songs and and going over the
most inspir
racial parts of the Seder this is not
Seder night itself and it felt very
special the Seder itself though has a
lot that has to be said there's a whole
Haggadah where we're going through
Hallel and the psalms that we say on a
regular Shabbat morning and it's a bit
long rabbi do we really have to say it
all if we're goal is really to keep our
children involved well we have our text
and we can try to be creative within the
context of the Haggadah but now I gotta
contains a tremendous amount of wisdom
We certainly have a priority to make
this exciting and enjoyable for the kids
to that extent we should try to move
forward as quickly as we can to what we
say the meat of the Seder where we're
getting to the to the main to the matzah
to the morrow to them to the meal of
course to the songs so we want to make
sure to balance by giving a lot of
material and insights and wisdom at the
same time to move forward it's there's
no problem with people reading silently
for a while which makes things go faster
and then focusing in a few particular
items I always try to focus on the Diana
because the diana is such a beautiful
song and the message which seems at
first problematic it would have been
enough would it have been enough if the
sea was split and we did not cross to
the other side and the answer to that is
that we don't have to always look ahead
of us we should appreciate and have
gratitude for everything God does for us
here right now at this moment what will
happen tomorrow and the next day in the
future well we'll take care of that when
it comes but for now let's not worry too
much about things to come when we have
so much to enjoy right here and that's
an important message of the Diana and of
the Seder in general which is all about
gratitude and so we want to impart
certain messages to our kids into our
family into ourselves
and at the same time we know that that
there's beautiful beautiful portions of
the Haggadah so we can move fast when we
need when we need to but certainly try
to emphasize key points in living and
that's what the hug that is all about so
what would you add to the day I know if
if the Robin Hood Rashid or whoever
would be most mas to do that would say
you know that they ain't no ends where
it ends but a lot has happened to the
Jewish people since how would you update
it well I think if we could have a
modern-day Diana Gill and this would
make I think very attractive a
best-seller that we would talk about all
the great things that have happened to
us since the state was established this
the independence war in 48 and the
six-day war in the UM Kippur War which
is a great victory in the in gathering
of the exiles and the rise of Israel's a
technological and economic power and at
any point along the way we can stop and
say Diana this would have been enough
this is great in and of itself and all
the more as we go further and come
further and we know that we're not done
yet there's lots of other great
challenges and achievements ahead of us
and so we could easily write a brand new
day a new just in the 70 years that
we've been here at Israel by the time we
get that hopefully that the Disneyland
that they're talking about building and
Damona will already be built and we can
end with that or Michelle's coming and
well one or the other so HOD god Yas
another song it's very special in which
we talk about the nations of the world
coming and going or I guess being bitten
by each other and in the end there's
just one little goat why are the Jews
why is Israel compared to a goat and
what's the end of that story well we we
are typically compared to a goat or
sheep
sometimes surrounded by 70 wolves
representative of all these nations even
today which surround us and which are
malevolent and hostile toward us but
certainly in history all these
civilizations that came after
and tried to destroy us and yet this
little sheep this little seemingly
helpless lamb always survives because
we're protected by the almighty and that
is of course the the symbol and it's
really a very very potent idea this song
that ends the technically ends the
petcock Seder is actually a lovely way
to keep children interested it's a very
singalong type of a ditty but at the
same time it sends an important message
that throughout history we again this
whole idea of there were those who will
rise up against us but God always
protects us he's the faithful of Father
guarding to go to the Sheep and as long
as we do our share we remain faithful
Jews then God is always going to protect
us so that's a beautiful way to end the
Seder now this year is a little strange
in that we're having another day at the
end there around the world the holiday
lasts for eight days and for us it lasts
only seven and then comes Shabbat can we
buy our comets back like in the split
second between when pass-off ends and
Shabbat begins and then be able to have
the whatever we snuck away and sold it
can we like buy it back
this year is again unique in that it
will all Jews will have eight days for
spending together for Passover for us
the last day is actually the eighth day
is really the day after Passover for the
Diaspora it's the last day the eighth
day of the Passover will be together and
that's a great thing we will be on
separate tracks for the Torah reading
for six weeks because we'll start
restart our Torah reading already on the
eighth day whether they espen will wait
a week but we'll get back together in
six weeks again when we combine and be
back at the same tour reading so an
interesting little footnote to this
eight-day holiday that's really
beautiful that will be all there
together I want to ask you the most
controversial question and I'm going to
say in advance that they will not
necessarily take this as a shock as a
an opinion of Jewish law that it will
have to obligate me but how do you
handle that the question of kidney ode
that thousands of years ago looked like
comets so the rabbi's made a offense and
said that you can't eat various products
that now are very much a part of a lot
of basic products and in Israel in
particular because safar diem never
adopted the custom of not having kidney
out the way Ashkenazim did most of the
products on the Shelf do indeed contain
kidney out if we're modern Israel and
we're all together
shouldn't we be eating the same thing
rabbi ever since I came to Israel 26
years ago we've been asking the same
question when are we all going to be on
the same page in terms of the diet why
do we have to keep the laws of kidney
out well this is a complex issue because
it's a decree that was accepted by the
Ashkenazi community it's not so easy to
just do away with a degree maybe we
would if we had the apparatus but then
again maybe they would add certain other
foods that we can't eat so who knows but
we have modified it a bit in that today
in today's day and age there are many
authorities that say derivatives of the
kidney out although we might not eat eat
the rice or corn or beans or peas but we
might have the derivatives certain soy
derivatives like lecithin or certain
oils like canola that many authorities
permit probably so some day perhaps we
may come together on this issue I'm not
all that optimistic it will happen but
there's always a lot of talk about it
and always a lot of sentiment to do it
but so far no binding authority that
really stands up and says yes you can do
it with a full conscience one way to get
around it as two of my daughters did
thank God
they married Sephardic husbands and now
they and their families are eating
whatever they want in terms of the hit
knee out on Pesa I would close by saying
that it is the 70th year of Israel it's
a wonderful occasion King David in a
sound said that the normal age of a
person is 70 that may be true about
individual but for a nation we are still
very very young 70 is really just a
child we have so much room to grow and
there's so many more things to
accomplish on top of all the miracles
that we have performed here and so even
in the 70th year we look back and
reflect on how great a country we have
built magnificent country but at the
same time we know that we have a great
future ahead of us and that we're going
to accomplish even more
and we will hopefully do this in consort
with a much more friendly world and
indeed we will be that light into the
nations that the prophets always urged
us to be and I think we have been to a
great extent in leading the world and
many issues of morality and discovery
and creativity and we're going to do
much more in the future
so to all the listeners to Gil and to
everyone connected with the radio show
have a wonderful pets out hug at the
chair of a Sameach and enjoy your fader
rabbi steward wise Raanana and columnist
of The Jerusalem Post thank you so much
for coming here on inside Israel today
on the Land of Israel network on the
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