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Hey guys, welcome to the 30th edition. I
think it's the 30 Clappy.
>> I think it's 30
>> of the Clappy and Frank show. We have
the great honor of having
my first CPG mentor. Um, was it three or
four years ago? I came over to Yas and I
said, "I'm making this grape juice and
salsa drink and you know Kadm the the
big monopolists in the in the food
kosher food world." I mean that time and
that was said, "Let me get a friend who
works with Royal Wine." So I know that
and will be my mentor and the great Yasi
Zecon happily led me in my early journey
in CPG. He was my first tasters
and he is the I think the first CPG
which means consumer package goods
founder in the kabala community right
currently I don't know there's very few
or none consumer package goods founders
in the kabal community that I that
>> raskkins fish
>> raskkins fish correct so yasi had you
start um and if one more if I one more
thing I remember as a kid the first time
I saw A fancy bottle of kosher wine was
the Musketine. I think it was black
label, right? Used to be black.
>> No, but if that's the first time you saw
a fancy label, you're very young.
>> Wasn't black, wasn't it? Dark. Now it's
like pink and white. What was your first
label? What color was it?
>> Same thing. The original musketini was a
little more ornate, but it was
>> wasn't dark.
>> It was a white. Yeah, I know. This has
been forever.
>> I'm getting old. Yay. How do you start
when you know?
>> No, you're just very young.
I in my head was a black label with gold
lettering. I don't know.
>> My first memory of Joseph Zecon Winery
is I was in the um Zecon Stationery and
Toy Store on Kingston Avenue. Your
legendary parents had a beautiful gift
shop on Kingston Avenue. I believe your
brother-in-law manages the store today.
Always a positive experience going there
with my children. And your parents were
showing off Tangiar and all of us. Your
parents were showing off your mother's
still alive. There was oh Tangi and your
mother should there was an article in
the New York Times and they had it
framed. It was a it was about Joseph Zon
wineries and about an award you won.
They were showing it off to everybody.
This is in the early 90s. They were so
proud that their son's a famous wine
maker.
>> New York Times.
>> New was the New York Times. Do you
remember? Do you remember how did you
get into the wine business? Back to
Mosi. How did you get into the wine
business growing up in Crown Heights?
Well, it was this very simple uh growing
up being a teenager and not really
appreciating kosher wine, not
understanding the what's so special
about it, but yet we make kesh on it and
yet it was something that's supposed to
serve for you know special occasions and
for kings and things and and I'm saying
something here just doesn't work. I
mean, it was to the point I'm saying,
can this wine really become yay if no
one likes it?
But, you know, it was a teenage question
that I had and I said, you know, let me
find out and uh what real wine is about.
Either the teachers don't were lying to
me. It's not true that it's special or
we just don't know how to make kosher
wine because yeah, in Jewish tradition,
in our day-to-day life, wine is the most
thing in the world. I was actually at a
shar on Shabas Rab was saying that and
it's but I think people don't realize if
you make hagen in a meal you're not
allowed to make shahak on a drink
anymore you're shak just the way is all
the food now you don't make a bra when
you make hagafan you do not make on
coffee on water and every wine shabas
wine pes is coming up in a few days
so you're saying it's the most cherished
special item in the world in Judaism and
the stuff didn't taste
It wasn't. No, no one no one no one
enjoyed it. It was like everyone whoever
you spoke to would tell you, "Oh boy, we
have to drink this." They made kish on
it. You know,
>> we're talking about like in the 1970s
and ' 80s.
>> Yeah.
>> So you the bottles of wine you would buy
in the liquor store, you weren't
impressed by.
>> No, I genuinely I wouldn't feel good
after I drank it.
>> But you know, it was like didn't make
sense. And then I saw people adding to
the Malaga wine, which was full of
sugar, even more sugar to to cover the
bad days. So I I had no idea what was
going on and I knew nothing about wine.
You have to understand my father was a
teacher. My mother was uh also a teacher
and then she was just raising a family
and we have no background in business or
any anything.
>> The little stationary store. When did
that happen?
>> Much later.
>> Gotcha.
>> And uh I had no idea about anything. And
but I was curious. So one day I said let
me find out. And I took uh I took the my
mother's blender, bought a some table
grapes, stuck it in the blender, mashed
it up. It came out a concoction of some
compot that was, you know, sweet and
bitter because you if you if you grind
the seeds, the seeds are very bitter.
You're not supposed to grind the seeds.
But what did I know?
>> And the end it was vinegar. Whatever it
is, it is. And it wasn't coming out. It
didn't come out. And I said, "Okay, I
got to figure figure this out and know
how to make wine. I want to know what
wine is all about." It was just simply I
was just very curious. Why is wine
supposedly so and what is what makes it
you know how do you make it that it
should be appreciated by everyone.
>> So how'd you figure it out?
>> So I went to the library
which is still here the library on Grand
Army Plaza.
>> Did I ever went there once?
>> Okay.
>> There's a famous story that went once. I
I went there instead of sitting in
yeshiva and but you know and I was eight
and I was just start reading everything
I can on on wine-making that they had
there and then the hardest part was that
some of the language I couldn't even
understand. So I had to sit with a
dictionary to understand the words that
I'm reading in the in the in the book
about wine making.
>> Gosh
>> and you know then it came to the point
of the chemistry behind it. had to learn
the tables of the chemistry and all
that. So, you know, how carbons and
everything work with one another and how
that affects the acidity of the wine and
the sugars and all the different
amino acids and different uh yeasts that
give the flavor and create this
beautiful bottle of wine. And it was
fascinating because I had a hands-on
learning experience which is the yeshiva
would not give me in anything in life.
your parents were were proacted about
you going into the wine- making or they
thought it was bitter terror. You're not
learning enough. I'm just curious what
their reaction was.
>> Like everyone else in the community,
some crazy kid,
they have a you know, it is what it is.
But I was stubborn and I was and one
thing my father told me years ago that I
always remembered that if you want to
get something done, you will don't have
to be perfect at it. You just have to be
persistent. So I that was always in the
back of my mind that I have to be
persistent whether I'll be perfect or
not I don't know
and as I started you know finding out
about these you know about wine making
and I started finding out people that
were in the industry making con you know
connections and talking to people so I
got to meet one time we went to this
there was a wasn't kosher but it was a
con wine convention and I wanted you
know I made already a decent wine, a dry
wine actually out of California grapes
and I couldn't sell it. I'm going on
King Stam. People are tasting it and no
one likes it. So, but you know the
little kid 17 years old has a bottle. It
was 18 years old. They gave me three
bucks and they took the bottle from me.
There was no one no one knew how to
drink it.
>> $3 a bottle. Where were you producing
it? Where were you manufacturing? in my
mother's basement, my parents basement
and uh it was you know Zinfendel Barbara
Ruby Cabernet those were grapes that
they were selling in the market for wine
making for the Italians or I guess yen
whom were making wine also and I
followed instructions I had another guy
in in Baton Rouge Louisiana's
his name was Philip Jackish and he was
like my mentor and
>> how'd you meet him
>> online through mail no online through
literally via mail his books and I read
his books and send him a letter and we
were Yeah. and communicated
>> and he would tell me
>> and then that was the year that he told
me that my Zinfendel
tasted like uh hard Gallow Hardy
Burgundy. Gallow Hardy Burgundy was then
like the top selling wine in America.
>> I I went I went to was it Oxnard where
they make the wines?
>> Yeah. Um,
no. Where they have millions of grape
vines. I went to be Mashk for a week
once in um, where is it? Zerinsk.
Where's that area? Fresno. Fresno.
Fresno. And Gallo. It was in a gallow.
We were doing a kosher grape juice crush
for whatever. And there was a gallow.
Um, they told me at the time that
Gallow, I think, is the biggest wine
manufacturer in the world.
>> Yeah.
>> They landed, the owner landed with us
helicopter to take a tour of the
factory. I was
>> largest privately owned,
>> right? Gallow. So od when I wor when I
was there I started realizing you see
the wines everywhere. So he your mentor
told you that your wine tasted like
gallow
>> gallow's hardy burgundy which was a very
popular one. Today it's not I don't
think
>> that's the biggest compliment in the
world.
>> Yeah. Especially when you're a kid you
don't know what and first of all I don't
even know what it tastes like and then
that was the funniest thing and then I
went and then I found out there was a a
wine convention where you for equipment
to buy equipment and see different
things.
>> It came out so good by mistake like what
did you what were you doing? No, I was
following just reading uh following
instructions, you know, like the like
you you follow a cookbook. Anyone can
make wine. It's something I'm going to
come back to and I'll explain. And I I
think I say people if you have the
patience, you can and you don't mind
getting a little dirty, you can make
wine, but most women don't want you
making wine in the kitchen. So, but uh
no, but let me tell you where where
where this led to. So this led to
another
uh to a convention of wine equipment and
stuff like that which was in
Pennsylvania
and I think it was Lancaster and I was
went there. I went there just to see
what's what what's around you know if I
want to make wine you know know which
what equipment I need to make wine and
uh I meet a guy his name was Leon Adams.
Leon Adams was the we'd call like the f
the the the father of American wine
industry. Yeah. his books are and I
don't even think you can find them
anymore but he had books and I remember
him speaking and saying the day wine
will be as cheap as milk is when wine
will become popular in America people
were not drinking wine those those years
yet it's only in the last uh the ' 90s
the
that people started drinking wine until
then we were two we were literally one
of the smallest uh per capita countries
of drinking wine
Trader Joe's was built on cheap wine
>> and yeah when the Trader Joe's open,
>> right?
>> I'm just saying. But this is I'm talking
the
>> that was their whole
>> this is this is 1980s.
>> I think I had a$2 or $5 bottle of wine.
How
>> this is literally I started my first
wine I made I think was 1977
>> and 70 and it was a whatever and then 78
was the wine that I made that I couldn't
sell. no one, you know, didn't like him.
It was like a hearty burgundy
and and but then I met him. It was 19
was probably 1980 I met him and when I
heard that I said, you know, he has he
has a he's saying something that maybe
it's true. There is a value to wine that
I don't grasp and I'm not a businessman.
So it was for me is like, oh, that's a
language I understand. You know,
businessman right away is how much can I
charge? And to me, no, I didn't know
that. That's how it works. So yeah, and
it's it stuck with me forever. And then
and then as I was then I decided I'm
going to make uh some wine to sell
legally because legally you can't make
wine at home and sell it. So when I went
on King Sammy was basically I gave it to
friends. It wasn't, you know, legally
selling official.
>> Mhm.
And uh then I so from there we went I
went and decided we need to get a I need
to get a winery license to be able to
make wine. And in those days this was
before 911.
I can tell you the government was the
nicest people to talk to.
>> Really?
>> I this is this is not this isn't this is
unreal.
>> Took me 40 years to hear this.
>> It's I still don't believe this is what
happened. I called them up. They send
down an inspector. The inspector comes
down to my house. He says, he looks at
everything, it's not going to work. You
cannot we cannot give you a winery
license in your own house. You need a
separate space.
Fanny came down to tell me,
>> wow.
>> You know, after looking at all the forms
tells me, find your own another space
and um you know, we'll we're going to
help you. If it wasn't your legal
residence, if it was your uncle or or a
friend, then it would be maybe legal or
>> No, it was more like the they just
didn't want it, right? They didn't if
it's in the house, you have to make
separate entrance more than anything
else.
>> Completely separate entrance.
>> That was the criteria.
And then he comes back a second time
when So I went I I saved up some money.
>> Have the similar rules. They want you to
have a separate commercial space.
>> There is Yeah, there is a reality that's
okay. And then I uh then he whatever I
rented a space and I was able to
uh
get a winery license and to get it he
came down a second time and and same
same inspector and he looked and he said
sure no problem you know what you're
doing. He tested me on if I know how to
analyze the wines and make sure you know
that the alcohol is proper.
>> Oh so you got you got a location now?
>> Yeah I had a location where Empire
Kosher is right now.
>> What was there then? There was a Chinese
restaurant was there were compartments
was associated and then there was a
Chinese restaurant
>> a retail level not on the top
>> right right on the right there
>> cuz on top I think used to be a roller
skating rink
bowling alley you was no roller skating
upstairs it was it was if anything got
no no roll
>> movie theater go upstairs
>> the roller skating was on Bedford in
that
>> I think it was a a nightclub maybe or
something crazy
>> it was yeah it was more like a theater
and then maybe a nightclub If you get to
sneak into that.
>> Yeah. But no, that was that was all gone
and then the upstairs was nothing. And
>> so you're 18 years old and you took out
a commercial lease on our storefront.
>> Yeah.
>> Where'd you get the money?
>> So I worked in the Navy and the Navy
hired me to make sure to know where all
their boats are at a certain time and
during peace peace time, no wars. And
>> you left your worked for the army.
>> I didn't leave. I it was only part-time.
I was still
>> You used to work for the Navy? the US
Navy.
>> Yeah, they were right here in
>> They ever worked in the Navyyard and
Yasi Zhan worked for the Navy at 18
years old. Where' they recruit you? I
never heard this.
>> I had I don't know how either because
trust me, they were it was like that I
even got the job because my credentials
did not qualify for the job.
>> Montgomery Street boy from worked for
the US Navy at 18. What were you doing?
>> I was I was a statistician basically.
I was basically counting the money that
was being spent on each boat wherever
they were located and if they you know
because they each boat has like their
own commissaries and all that and they
need to create a profit.
>> There's 300 million people in America.
>> Not not one of them created a pro. Not
one of them had a
>> million people in America. Where'd they
find you?
>> He gets around this guy.
>> My my cousin actually who was working in
then in programming in computer
programming. So she told she she told me
this. They they might you might be able
to get a job. Just come down.
>> Come down where?
>> To where she was working.
>> She was doing her It was here in
Brooklyn. It was in
>> the Navy Yard.
>> No, it wasn't the Navyyard. It was in
Sunset.
>> Sunset Park.
>> Yeah. You Now there's these commercial
buildings. But
>> by the way, to be
>> This was the first fancy label I saw on
a bottle of wine. I was so used to the
Kedm like little arching. I don't know
was like how many SKs did Kadam have at
that time 10 20 cream malaga and I don't
know what then suddenly one day I see
this fancy label on a bottle of wine I
was probably what how old how old is
this label Yazi
>> I know it's going back a while this 30
years probably 30 years
>> this was the first one that we made with
the Musketini the first Musketini was
actually had the Kesser label
>> which was a very ornate
>> beautiful label and then we switched
over to Joseph
>> with all that gold it looks very it
looks trumpy it looks bottles.
And then we started buying this in our
house every week. This was like the
fancy bottle. What was it? Eight bucks.
>> You don't remember?
>> Eight bucks 30 years ago. Probably like
>> I don't even know what it sells for
today. First years ago
>> innovative label I've ever seen in
kosher wine as as a kid. So for me,
Yassi Zan represents innovation ahead of
his time. That's him.
>> So again, you went from a basement to a
commercial storefront.
>> I went to commercial storefronts. I
saved up some money. That's how I saved
money. It was a part-time job and I
saved up some money. I rented a
storefront on it was a used to be a
Chinese restaurant. It was next to
associated where Empire Kosher is now.
And the guy cames down to give me the to
to check it out and you know they they
have to see what they're giving a
license on the premises and everything
everything adds up. Then later I find
out he tells me I went to 770. That's
how how close they were. you were able
to talk to them to find out that I had
nothing to do with the mafia. It was no
mafia money involved and you know that I
was a legitimate person and you know but
>> 18year-old
>> whatever. Yeah. But I'm just saying how
you were able to talk to them.
>> Wasn't what was the legal drinking age
then?
>> 18.
>> It wasn't 21 yet. So funny.
>> It was
>> by the way you could be a bartender at
18. You could serve it but you can't
drink it. And no, the funny part was
that I what's not funny. What was so
amazing and I said, "Wow, this is our
government." Because this was the first
time I'm having a real interaction with
governments and it's it's so they're so
nice. They tell me what to do. They they
explain it to me. I have a question.
They answer the phone and you know like
I need to get a bond and they told me
just don't go buy don't pay an insurance
company for a bond. Take a you know it
wasn't that wasn't much. He says take
your savings and buy a $1,000 bond with
clip coupons. We're going to use that as
a bond for you and we're going to send
you your clippings every every every six
months.
>> Excuse my ignorance and maybe other
people watching the show. What bonds
for? What? I don't know what
>> a winery has to be bonded. Meaning that
if god forbid you're going to steal the
tax money that you owe them, they have
your money. So usually you pay an
insurance company and big companies
that's that's the norm.
>> How many money? I mean I have now I
don't now now now I have bonds for my
winery and but then they were like so
nice and so he tells me no just you know
give me the bond and then every six
months you and then it was Carter error
14% interest so I would get from the
bond for every six months a check of 14%
it was like unreal
>> they made life easy for you governor
>> exactly they wanted to help you
>> Wow your first account
>> my first account. Who who remembers? I
had Burough Park and Eber.
>> So again, you're now you're an
18-year-old. You have a commercial
license from the government. You're
bonded. You have a winery distribution.
You have now a storefront. Now you have
bills. Now you got to buy buy grapes.
You have to buy machinery. You're buying
at these conventions. You have to pay
taxes. You have you're the only worker.
You're you're entrepreneur, soul
provider.
>> Entrepreneur.
>> How does it work?
>> You delivered yourself.
>> Yeah.
>> So what were you calling yourself?
>> It was just me. Um, nothing.
>> What the label say?
>> Kesser.
>> Okay. Only
>> Kesser. How'd you come up with the name?
>> I don't know. I just thought it was a
cute very good very a proone name for a
community of ours.
>> You see everybody in everybody just talk
about Kesser being some high level.
You're like, I'm high level wine Kesser.
So again, the guy at the show told you
that one of your wines was as good as
the gallery, the trillion dollar
company. Gallow, the trillion dollar
company.
>> So you took notes of what you did,
right? And
>> I always kept notes. I have to
constantly write down what I'm doing. If
not, if you don't have notes, you're not
going to get a winery license. You have
to have records. You have to keep
records of everything that's going on
and how you're doing it and what you're
doing. So, that's the norm. And that was
it. Basically, was as another side note,
I just want to say is that by me
starting this company, which was in
1981, I was the youngest person in the
United States to have a bonded winery.
>> Wow. And I helped two laborators go into
the wine business. One was Yasi Bist in
Florida. He started a distribution
company and started selling the selling
wine. And the other one was uh Nakas in
Detroit. Isl
>> Yeah. He was selling chemicals and all
of a sudden he's became a a wine
distributor.
>> Yeah. So it was like you know that was
really nice.
>> And didn't also Mr. Suker invent or
start a joy in Bartinura.
>> I have no idea.
>> No comment on that. Okay.
>> He he worked for Kadam and I don't know
what more than that.
>> Okay.
>> And uh
>> so you got media attention that you're
the youngest bonded winery in America,
>> right? And you know people like really
were curious and everything about it.
And
>> how many kosher wine stores were there
in New York, New Jersey when you
started?
>> I don't know. I just whatever I I
whatever I made sold out. I didn't even
have a chance to.
>> But how many stores? There were tents.
Let's just give people a start.
>> Oh, kosher stores.
>> Kosher wine stores.
>> Bar Park had three, I think. That's what
I remember. Flatbush had maybe one or
two.
>> Grown Heights.
>> It was only ever.
>> That's it.
>> Yeah.
>> And the Gisha stores carried your stuff
or No.
>> Did the grocery stores buy from you?
>> No, I didn't get to it. But the point
was that when I got my license, I signed
I went and I made a the first ever
commercial
labeled kosher Chardonnay.
>> Wow.
>> From Long Island Grapes.
And it was an unbelievable bottle of
wine that I made. And uh I couldn't sell
a single bottle to the kosher consumer
either. And when the non-Jews found out
about it and they sent me to the River
Cafe, which is the famous restaurant
under the Brooklyn Bridge
>> in Denver,
>> there was a guy there named Joe Delisio.
He tastes it and he tells me, "You never
tasted Chardonnay in your life and you
made this wine." So I tell him, "If you
believe me, yeah, I never did."
I'm like, "I don't even, you know, I
just follow the instructions and I made
this wine." Okay, I'm buying everything
you made. everything.
>> Wow.
>> And he made me sign the bottles
>> under Ker label.
>> Yeah. He put it right away. It was on
his
>> menu
>> and that was you know but I was in a
quagmire here. What was the problem?
Where my from one side I don't really
know the goes world of wine making and
yet I have the Jewish world who doesn't
appreciate it.
>> We need to make something good for them.
>> Remember creag nasty stuff. So I was so
what I what what made me realize is that
we have to make low alcohol sweet wine.
So the Kesser Concord that I made was
only 7% alcohol
and that changed the whole taste profile
of the wine where people really
appreciated it and they loved it and
that I couldn't I just couldn't keep up
with
and then came along the big boys and
copied it and tried to put me out of
business. But that's you know that's
happens when you when other people are
in business too. I've never tried to put
anyone out of business. That's one thing
I can tell you. And what what else
happened along the way is that Yardan
Winery who is the then is today is the
Rolls-Royce of kosher wine in my opinion
just started out and there was a guy
named Peter Stern. He wasn't Jewish who
was
their consultant and helping them build
up that winery. And I got to know him
also. Somehow I got to know people that
were really involved in the industry.
yard is Israeli one. Right.
>> Right. And they were just they just
started in also in the 1980s, early
1980s
and uh
they were building the their winery and
everything and they didn't know how to
go about with the kosher end of it
that it would be accepted in the United
States and be accepted in Israel. So the
owner then was Shimshin Welner and he
had a there was also from Barcan Winery
the owner Boxer. They both trying to
figure out what should they do to get
kosher. They come to my house, me, the
kid, the 20-year-old kid, and I'm
telling them, well, I just got the okay
to give me a cuz those are labaves that
I know. Those are my friends. It's the
first time okay ever got a a ha on their
wine. So, they got the okay from me and
then I directed them to get the okay
from Rabbi Levy
and the rest is history. Because of
them, Rab Levi got all these other
Israeli wineries who will, you know, use
okay
for their wine.
>> So they wanted an Americanized
recognized.
>> So that's to me was something to say
like, wow, you know, I can help a fellow
labra. I'm that's what I love. That's my
job in life. Not, you know, nothing
more, nothing less.
>> They didn't have from Israel like bad.
Why they
>> right? But they didn't
>> American market.
>> Yeah. They were the American market.
Badats. You was they they didn't know.
They literally they were clueless.
>> I always tell people when they're
opening up a story, I always say get the
okay. I'm not getting paid to say this.
I say get the okay. I said because the
world respects it. The modern Orthodox
world respects it. And
>> whoever doesn't respect it doesn't
respect someone else. So you think you
know which
>> it's a very it's a very safeure.
>> It's a like you know it's it doesn't
it's goes it goes without an end. You
know who's to respect. This is our
family. This is who you
>> So from the day you opened you had the
okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Yes. But I see just for people in the
food business if they're going to have
to pick a what would you advise them? I
see you have three. You have okay chk
and hill wineburger if someone's coming
up with their own product how would you
advise them about what should they get?
What do they need? What do they not
need? If you're starting today which
>> I don't go there it's the rabb that's
between them and the rabb.
>> No from a business perspective not
spiritual.
>> From a business rather just tell them
what I use. You saying they should get a
in in the kosher world there's something
called the national and aer so okay is
considered a national
>> oh you went through all this you know
all about it
>> I want you to discuss talk about it
>> that I don't want to discuss it it's
something I don't want to know
oh absolutely not
>> I think the okay has a certain
>> I'm just saying why I'm just saying the
okay because this is our labature for
people so I'm talking about our own
>> hill of wineburgger's mount kiscoco
that's like herzog in-house house.
>> No, he's big. No, he runs his Octagus.
He'll have M is the head of his Sakus.
>> Oh, CRC
>> and he has his own private brand.
>> Yeah.
>> Interesting. Okay.
>> Yeah. Which is also Yeah.
>> So he competes with himself.
>> I don't know. I don't understand the
politics. I don't want to know.
>> You don't want to get But in general in
the kosher world, people get a
especially the target in the world, they
get a ha and a national when they go to
buy her from Costco, they see okay ou
that's all they know. I just want to
make a confession that my whole life I
said when I get older I'm going to start
appreciating good dry wines and I'm
almost 40 and I'm still having a hard
I'm still having a hard time
appreciating good dry wine regardless of
the brand. I tried the holding my nose
and going like this and smelling it and
looking at it and letting it gargle for
a half a minute. I've tried everything.
I go to very wealthy people's homes and
they say, "Izzy, I have this wine. I
have this scotch. I have this. What
could I get you?" I said, "Could you
please bring me a freezing cold diet Dr.
Pepper? And if you don't have that, a
cold diet coke, cuz you're $600 bottle
of wine and a fancy bach that you have
to crack open with a screwdriver." I
said, "I just prefer the diet Dr.
Pepper. What could I do to become more
sophisticated and really appreciate good
wine?" Okay. Number one, you are
sophisticated.
Number two, to appreciate anything, you
have to appreciate who you are. So, it
doesn't matter. You like to eat?
>> Love eating.
>> Okay. Do you like chocolate or you like
vanilla?
>> I like both.
>> You like strawberry or you like mango?
>> More of a strawberry than a mango.
>> Okay, there you go. So everything in the
wine is a food. That's all it is. It's
food. It's the way it's made is that it
takes Hashem made that if you take a
grape and you squeeze it, it will turn
into wine on its own. The job is also
that it shouldn't spoil. So the wine
maker has one job making sure that it
doesn't spoil.
Now the difference in tastes and flavors
and the expense of the wine is where the
grapes are grown. If it's grown in Napa
Valley where an acre of land cost
$50,000
and you're growing only
um 100 one ton of grapes on on an acre,
this wine is going to be very expensive.
So per pound what what does it mark
itself per pound?
>> So it'll be very expensive.
Now will it be very good quality? No.
Definitely it's going to have a certain
smoothness, a certain taste to it, a
certain flavor to it that it will be
very unique and different because it's
so it's so it is so unique. The per the
chef, the cook, whoever made it has
turned it this wine, this grapes into a
very unique bottle of wine. However,
most grapes are not grown like that.
Most grapes are grown you get 10
um ton to the acre and they're grown in
different areas, not in the area like
Napa Valley where the climate and the
soil are, you know, in perfect sync.
Some grapes are grown in different
climates, different soils. New York, for
example, is very difficult to grow that
type of quality grape. But we have the
uniqueness of New York which some people
appreciate but a lot fewer than they
appreciate the typical California
Mediterranean style wines which is
Israelis and Italian and French
and for for that matter also Argentina
and Chile. So they they have they grow
that type that those type of grapes and
with those type of grapes literally
anyone can make wine. When you make
dealing with New York State grapes, it
requires a lot more work. Usually, you
don't get enough sugar in the grapes.
The acids are too high and you got to
know what you're doing. And it's all
experience from what the chef knows how
to
prod it along. It should come out the
way you want it. But to say that there's
an inherent value in a bottle of wine
that costs $100 compared to a bottle of
wine that cost $20,
there is and there isn't. If the person
likes that wine and he can only get it
if he pays $100, then fine. That's the
what what it is. But if a person doesn't
notice really much of a difference or
says the difference in taste between the
12 and 120 is not worth it for me, he's
allowed to say that and he should say
that. It's the right thing to say. You
are the only one who should decide if
you like that wine or not. Not because
someone is making a lot of noise and
saying I bought a $100 bottle of wine
and it's amazing wine. That's why you
have to like it.
>> So what was the most you spent on a
bottle of wine?
>> It's take for example caviar. If you I
mean we don't know the non-coosher
caviar. We've never tasted but
non-coosher caviar is very expensive.
Why is it very expensive? Because it's
rare. It's hard to get a Struggen to get
that caviar. Kosher caviar is much less.
And do you know we don't know the
difference in taste if we don't taste
it. And people who have taste it say
yeah there is a difference in taste. So
again there's a certain thing there are
certain values in wines inherently if
they're grown a certain way come from a
certain place where it's very expensive.
But it all has to do with what's in the
grape.
>> But one second. We know in real estate,
location, location, location. So the
exact contractor could build the exact
house on Park Avenue and it'll be $17
million. Or you could build it in Utah
and it would cost $1.2 million. So
you're paying 16 times more because of
the location, but it's the exact same
house.
>> Even you could even build it in the same
area, right?
>> Not building the location.
>> Okay. So the location. So if a bottle if
a certain area is very very very
expensive to grow grapes does it
>> could it be that the same grape could be
grown in a cheap area?
>> It could be
>> or not necessarily will it taste the
same?
>> Not no not it will not taste the same
but it will be very close.
That's the difference. And you know it's
like you're saying real estate take for
example art. You have a someone painted
a beautiful apple and that person for
whatever reason people are paying for it
a million dollars. A little kid can make
the exact same apple. What are they
gonna pay for it?
>> 50 cents.
>> Hold on. You know,
>> there we go.
>> Yeah. Clap. I just want to give a credit
to Yasi who whatever all the art he puts
on his bottles of wine, the values go up
because they recognize. So when he puts
a Z cl on his bottle and handle Liberman
and a Nakshan these three artists now
people recognize them.
>> I never did Z Liberman.
>> You did you never did handle Liberman?
>> So you just said Nakshon and Climman.
>> Yeah. And there is the value people
recognize.
>> But for example, here let me show you
something for Can I move this?
>> Yeah, you can move move it by the stick,
he said.
>> But he also off the record told me that
how much did this design cost you? Be
honest.
>> Oh, this cost me nothing. It was in
Pakistan maybe.
>> Yeah. $10, right? $20.
>> Wasn't that crazy?
>> This is camouflage.
>> No, from uh
>> No, it was $150 in Pakistan.
>> Upwork. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> People think I have to go to design
firm, spend 10, $20,000.
>> Yeah. Then I needed an in-house someone
to he wasn't a you can't you can't work
with them. Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> But the the reason I didn't have to
spend more money because the
>> we had an in-house designer who was able
to finish it up. So
>> So I understand a little bit to
educating the island. The mounted kosher
wine that's going to be drunk in the
next couple of weeks is going to be
probably in the hundreds of millions of
bottles because let's say 15 million
Jews and non-Jews are celebrating
Passover. Everybody buys a few bottles.
just that the people could understand
the customer could understand when you
when you press a grape and it's made out
of a single grape not a not a mix almost
sounds like a blend but a mix a single
grape so there's different grapes like u
malag what are the names of the grapes
that people I'm just curious
>> oh cabernet son is popular and then you
have a cabernet frank and you have
merllo and you have a petite verdo and
you have
>> so merllo cabernet sar are all different
types of grapes they look different when
you look at them there how many
variations of grapes are I'm just
curious.
>> Oh, there's there actually could be
thousands. But how many are do we
actually use?
>> There's the the popular ones, but you
know, if you go to Europe, there's so
many different ones they have.
>> And the grapes you buy in the grocery
store are not wine grapes.
>> The French hybrids that we grow here in
New York State is phenomenal amount.
>> But you know, that's you know,
>> so just get But she always says to give
me three things. Let's go through five
quick things about a grape. So there's
the actual type of grape. A Merllo grape
or a Cabernet grape or a French grape.
So then there's the grape. Then there's
that exact plant or seedling. You could
grow that vine. But if you buil you
could grow it in Long Island, let's say,
and you could grow it in France or you
could grow it in Italy. And based on the
nature and the climate and how high on
the mountain and what nurtur nutrients
are going into the thing soils, it's
going to taste different. So exact grape
grown in a few different places and it
could be very expensive, very expensive
real estate or hard intensive labor can
make a difference. Now, when it comes to
wine being extremely strong, 16 17%
versus a 3 or 4% alcohol content level,
what's in in 10 seconds of chemistry,
what's making a grape wine be 16% versus
a 3 or 4%.
>> Okay. the grapes generally the wine
grapes uh will be growing and collect
sugar as they grow and the sugar will
grow as the season goes on and they're
growing in the sun and the sugar levels
will reach around 21 bricks and that's
when they're really ripe for making
>> 21 bricks in in English
>> 21 bricks says 21% sugar
>> and
>> sugar turns into alcohol so 21%
>> it turns sugar now That's the norm here
in New York.
In California or Israel or any of the
warm climates, it'll be anywhere from 24
to 26 to 28
>> percent alcohol.
>> Sugar.
>> Sugar. Sugar.
>> Right now, each 2% of sugar makes 1%
alcohol and 1% carbon dioxide. You know
the bubbles that you'd see in champagne.
The real champagne can be made is the
real champagne is by preserving the
carbon dioxide from the fermentation of
the wine.
You could also add CO2 to it like salts
and call it, you know, you can't call it
champagne and whatever, but it it'll be
similar. It won't taste the same.
>> You're faking you're faking the process.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Right. Whatever. Yeah. It's
called artificially carbonated. Or you
could do a charmat process where you can
take all the wine and put it into a a
tank and let it create bubbles. So
that's more similar to the regular
champagne. And then there's the
expensive ones that are made in the
bottle itself, which is a very tedious,
laborous work. But the point is that the
each 2% will give you 1% alcohol. So now
if you have 21%
sugar,
>> but 11% alcohol,
>> you end up with 11% alcohol. So you have
a dry wine and no more sugar. The sugar
is all gone. Right now if you want it to
be 7% alcohol, you ferment only how much
how how much how much sugar? Figure it
out.
>> You want 73 and 20 14
>> 14 and the remainder remains sweet in
the wine which is what you have when I
make the eminent Passover wine. How do I
stop the fermentation? Because once it
starts fermenting by nature just wants
to go go. So originally we do is we
filter it to reduce the yeast count. We
chill it very we chill it down as much
as we can and we ferment it very slowly
so that we can control the fermentation
to give it a final
freeze down that it stops fermenting.
And then once we get that done, we again
use special sterile filtration to get
rid of all the yeasts that are in the
bottle that will want to make the sugar
ferment.
>> So you don't need to use sulfites.
>> Huh?
>> You don't need to use sulfites.
>> You need to you use first of all it's
not a question of needing to use
sulfites. Sulfites are naturally in the
ground. So grapes have sulfites in them.
Those sul there are natural sulfites.
And no sometime you you need I mean I'm
not going to say you don't need
sulfites. The sulfites are not so much
to stop the fermentation. Sulfates is to
stop any bad yeasts or wild yeasts to
take a hold. That's where that's why you
use sulfites. But it will never sulfites
in itself will not stop a fermentation.
It will never stop it.
>> So sulfites is a chemical, a powder.
What is it?
>> It's sulfur basically what you see on a
match. It's in the ground. It's a sulfur
that comes from the ground.
>> I know people are allergic to sulfites
and
could be.
>> So we have the grape. We have the grape.
what type of grape where it's grown.
Then
>> region
>> the region. Okay. Now you're putting the
grape into into it. You crush it. And
now based on how you measure the sugar
level is and or stopping the sugar
level, that's how strong you get the
alcohol to be. Okay. Now the color is
based on the color of the grape. The
natural
>> skin, right?
>> Right. Right. So most grapes the color
comes from the skin. There are some
grapes that have in themselves their
color within them, but those are not
popular wine grapes. And uh
>> see this has a beautiful like light
tingy color. So it's a lighter grape.
And these are much darker grapes.
>> Um that has a difference in the taste.
The the color is not that's just
naturally whatever the grape is.
>> It could affect the taste.
>> Now how long from when you crush the
grape until it's in the store? Because
you know aged wine is in the barrel.
We're not talking about when they say
aged wine is not talking about
>> barrel. You mean a bottle, right?
>> It can age in a bottle to to make an old
like crush of a expensive wine as aging
is in the barrel or in the in the
bottle.
>> Wine ages from the moment you squeeze
the grape.
>> It's like it's the moment you need your
dough and you're making food,
>> right?
>> Or you're cooking something, it starts
aging, right?
>> This is 2024. So this is two years old.
So this great from when this was
crushed, it's over two and a half, two
and a half years old. If I drank this in
2024 or I drink it today, we're going to
taste it soon. It's going to taste
better now or the aging is mostly in the
barrel.
>> It's at it's at its perfection though.
>> I know with scotches and whisies and all
these things. It has to do with being
like blue label. It's in the barrel 50
years or 30 years.
>> Scotches. Yes.
>> Scotch is the barrel. Wine is not in the
barrel.
>> Depends which kind of wines. And and
this wine will not age. Now is the time
to to drink it.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. And it's made to be drunk right
away. Are there wines that Kesser wines
manufacturers that could get better
sitting in the bottle on your shelf?
>> Yes. So, this is what I'm trying to
explain to you. So, you were just
holding that other bottle called Nature
Screaming.
>> The Nature Screaming is Where's the
Nature Screaming?
>> Nature Screaming.
>> Right. So, this
>> 2024 as well,
>> right? Now, now this wine has no
sulfites, but we're not even It's not
even being sold as no sulfites wine.
It's being sold as a very a very good
Cabernet Svenon from Pasarovals because
it just happens to taste very good and
it has the added benefit that was where
that was no sulfites were added and it's
people love it for that and it's not mov
>> okay so now when it comes to grapes that
are gra wines that are are like a blend
you you blend multiple multiple
different types of grapes. So, you're
getting multiple wines in basically the
same bottle. What's the When is that
recommended preferred? When do you not
do that? When do you decide to make a
blend?
>> When you have a lot of grapes, you don't
know what to do with them.
It's you it's a very subtle it's like,
you know, saying when do we put in this
much pepper? When do we put in paprika?
When do we put in that? It's it's again
to me it's basically a food. You taste
you know the the the flavor profile of
this wine. You know the flavor profile
of that wine. Are they going to enhance
one another or they're not going to
enhance one another?
>> Let me get a little sip. You see?
>> I think we I think we're talking so much
about the wine. I got to get I gota
>> And he said he wants a sweet one. We're
going to do the musket.
>> I know he wants this. Don't give him the
sweet. He
>> Well, he wants He says he like d
peppers.
>> I don't want him to have the sweet.
>> Oh,
>> I want him to have this.
>> Let me see this. What do we have over
here? Ker Cabernet Soon. And this is
Hold on. One second. This is from
>> Beo, New Jersey. This is a New Jersey
grape.
>> No, it's a New York bottle.
>> It's a blend. It's a blend of grapes and
>> it's again cabernet so as a blend
>> different grapes.
>> When you see cabernet so on a on a
bottle it's a cabernet grape and a savon
grape.
>> No, it's just it just could come from
different areas.
>> So this particular one
>> this is a prop priority secret of where
these grapes come from.
>> This one is a secret
>> in general or this one?
>> This one.
>> Okay, pass it. I'll open. I have the
opener.
>> Oh, let's get this. Let's get busy over
here.
By the way, when it comes to cork
screws, a dollar corkcrew versus a $200
cork screws, could one of them affect
the the cork to make a a taste in the
wine or there's no not happening?
>> Cork if if you have a bad cork.
>> No, cork, not spoil the wine.
>> The cork itself,
>> the cork, you can sometimes come by a
bad cork and it will spoil the wine.
Yes.
>> I'm finding that some of them don't have
the real cork feel. I'm finding that
some wines today have like a rubbery
fake feel.
>> That that shouldn't be done. It should
be It should be made out of a real cork.
No, because they're afraid of the real
corks. They had too many problems with
real corks being spoiled. They didn't
have a good supplier or something. So,
they just solve all the problems by
using that
>> rubber rubber. And it's cheaper, right?
Well, it's cheaper, too, right?
>> But it makes the wine look cheaper,
also. You don't You don't do any rubber
quirks.
>> No comment. Not
>> No, no, I don't. I do screw caps.
>> This is mushial or not mushial?
>> This is mushel.
>> Mushel. Say, tell me about
>> You should give this to the cameraman.
>> First of all, you have to go like this.
No. Got to go like this.
>> Yeah. Can you tell us how to how to
drink?
>> Did you hear the camera? Is the
cameraman here?
>> Okay. I went like this. I went like
this. Then you're supposed to go like
this, right? You go like this.
>> The cameraman will show you how
>> told me. He told me he became a a dry
wine drinker.
>> Come on set.
>> Yankee come on set. You'll do it later.
Okay. No, we can come on set. Yankee. We
never had Yankee on set. which
>> delicious. This is delicious.
>> Look, you see he became now a dry wine.
>> Ah, it's good.
>> I found that very expensive wine. I can
taste a difference. Take this bottle.
You take the cup. Yeah, this one. Oh,
straight a mug.
>> In a coffee mug doesn't taste the same.
>> Bring up glasses. Bring another
>> Take mine.
>> Oh, this is good. How much does this
bottle retail for?
>> They say it's worth about 30 bucks.
>> And you charge?
>> I don't. I I can tell you just what the
stores are selling it for. I don't
charge anything.
>> Ah, this sells for 30 in the store.
>> No, sells for seven.
>> $7? This is $7.
>> Yeah,
>> you could have told me 100. I'll be
like,
>> sold out already, so it doesn't matter.
>> 12%.
>> Now, isn't there a big over supply of
grapes these days because of China is
not importing? So, is that that means
that you get higher quality grapes for
cheaper today?
>> No. So, one of the reasons I was able to
create this bottle for
such a valuable price and which is my
goal in life is to be able to make
decent wine for people who are
financially struggling and you know
should just be able to buy
>> valueriven a good a good bottle of wine
and our own labage community especially
because every community has wines today
and everyone's making wines is the
reason why I made that bottle.
And uh
I was literally because of the downshift
in wine consumption the US which is
attributed they say to one uh ampic
and two people are using marijuana
instead of alcohol. So the wines
literally alcohol sales wine sales in
the in the US is down 40%.
>> Wow.
>> Since when? The last few years.
>> Yeah. the last two years. So
>> I think people are more health conscious
also.
>> Yeah. Welline people is wine healthy
>> alcohol.
>> So
>> younger people are drinking.
>> So fortunate for me was that I was able
to get some of these grapes that were
going into $100 bottles of wine. The
farmer just said, you know, I'll give it
to you for $500 a ton instead of $3,000
a ton.
>> Wow.
>> I heard they're tearing down vineyards
now.
>> They're tearing down. Yeah. All that is
happening. So what's going to be next
year? I don't know. But for now, I was
able to do something good for the
community. I did it
>> and it's a project right here.
>> No, it's a beautiful product. It's a
beautiful, beautiful wine. It's a
beautiful The label came together.
Beautiful. We changed the label, which
is really nice.
>> Where's the dancing one? I really like
that one.
>> That's the fangan. I didn't bring that.
I forgot to bring that.
>> He did.
>> That's selling a lot too.
>> The package is amazing. You took like
>> that's also a lab boy created these this
design. Yeah. His name is Munutz.
>> Munit. Wow.
>> Yeah. He he lives in Boston and he's was
Shai's friend and Shai tells me he's my
friend. You know, ask him. I said fine.
I have no problem. I love to help my
own. I don't want to go outside.
>> I said you were super helpful when I
started my first brand.
They're really like the guys that use
some pes and they like eat the matzah
three tables away from where they eat
the meal. I know the real it's a fact
they only drink eminent Passover wine.
When did this eminent label come in that
like the from the real from people drink
every bas?
>> I don't know.
>> Is it the one that you don't add
anything or you do something special to
it or
>> Yeah. Whatever. And it's
everyone can make this wine. You know
something to me I say if someone who's
really conscious of his food on Pesak he
has to make his own wine.
>> You're taking yourself out of business.
>> I'm not worried. I'll help him.
>> From squeezing the grape to ready in the
bottle. How long does it take?
>> Well, it all depends. Some wines can
take a
>> What's the minimum? If I want to make my
wine today, could I have ready for
Pesak?
>> Yeah. Today? No.
>> I can't 40 days or something.
>> Exactly. Uh you could but you can let's
say buy after pes buying I think if I
gra today how long did it take 40 days
listen to you said today you can't no
there's no 40 days but there are people
that are very holy and they don't trust
no one so they squeeze out the grapes
and they call it must and they say it's
it's for pes and it's I don't even think
there are drinking arocles
>> because
>> because it's not wine and it's a it's a
period end of discussion
>> so how long does it take
>> huh
>> squeeze is ready to drink. Not in the
store. Just if I want to make in my
house, what's the shortest amount of
time it will take?
>> What? To make grape juice?
>> To make a wine.
>> To make a wine can take 10 days.
>> 10 days.
>> A week even. Three days. It depends, you
know, on your
>> Where did I get this idea? Where did I
get this idea from? About 40 days. What
was the 40 days stuff?
>> It's brought down
has to be 40 days old before we can be
under.
It's a 40-day process.
I'm going to tell you. No, but yeah, but
the re But if you want to make wine and
not work so hard,
>> go get a Polar Spring plastic bottle,
gallon,
drink the water and buy. Now, now you
might be able to get You have to look up
online who's selling it in New Jersey, I
believe. Maybe here
they have they import fresh grapes from
Chile or Argentina. I don't know from
where wine grapes buy a case. They're
expensive, but you're going to enjoy it.
Take each grape off the stem. Put it
into the bottle. It's tedious. Fill it
up. Fill the grapes up till the top, you
know, as much as you can.
Don't know, you don't don't overfill it
because whatever. Till the top. Put the
cap back on.
Don't tighten the cap. Just enough for
any air when it starts fermenting to
escape. And as long as no dirt gets back
in inside, the grape on the bottom will
from their own gravity and pressure
start squeezing, you'll start having
juice on the bottom. 40 days later,
you're going to have a a wine. The wine
is going to be very sweet. There's still
a lot of wine in the grapes. But if and
it's going to be a light color, even if
it's a you're using red grapes, but it's
definitely going to be a nice sweet
bubbly. It's going to be very bubbly
because all the CO the carbon dioxide is
still in there. Remember I told you when
you ferment the sugar half
>> you think even with the cap loose you
could get CO2 built up
>> so the CO2 should get out but you don't
want dirt to go in.
>> So you have to seal it how you don't
want oxygen to go.
>> So how tight do you have to
>> you don't tighten it you just seal it
enough that
>> nothing goes back in as long as the can
escape. Otherwise Otherwise the bottle
will explode.
>> Oh you just put the grapes in and walk
away.
>> Yeah. And walk away later.
>> Yeah. Come back 40 days later.
>> A few years ago there was an article. I
think it was on CO that your son was in
altera eighth grade maybe Lady Rabbi
Feldman's classine made a wine
experiments and whatever and I was
thinking to myself it's so beautiful you
know you talk about wine you talk about
situs you talk about all these kosha
dick things you talk about carbonas all
day but kids are not going to farms I
thought it was so beautiful that you
came down to yes and you made a wine
experiment is this how you did it with
this Poland spring bottle
>> yeah yeah that's what that's what yeah
yeah but it was very high in alcohol
because the grapes were so high in sugar
>> 14y olds were getting high in alcohol
It was unbelievable. But they Yeah, it
was a fun time.
>> And they all came home with what a
gallon a gall was a gallon bottle.
>> Two bottles or three bottles.
>> Bottles of of wine.
>> As a CPG guy retail, how do you get that
spot in Empire Kosher? That perfect end
cap right when you walk in. Do you have
what's You have some type of deal. You
have that perfect spot always.
>> Where where his wine is?
>> Empire Grocery. It's the best location
in the entire supermarket.
>> Well, that's cuz it's Pesak and they all
year round. You have that spot right
when you walk in. I don't know because
people it's a staple that people buy
every you know to go sch slle a hand in
the head I guess the best ever I think
we got a little caught off guard you we
were discussing a Chinese you went to a
Chinese restaurant you were the you were
the guy making it distributing it to
stores in bar park how did you become
this multi-million dollar mega brand I
want to know I I'm still caught up on
how this happens
>> it's a lot more than that
>> it's really
>> tell me a little bit about this
experience.
>> It's something that I met Swilly and I
can't get enough of him.
>> An old problem.
>> Yeah. I met you and I said, "Oh, he bo
you can bother me again.
He used to bring every new sample to
Yasi."
>> So what you So the Chinese
>> Oh, wait. It's not only him that I love
so much. I spent Pesak many years with
him and his Rebbitson. as Brettson is an
amazing incredible Asus Kyle Sadus
incredible personality good person and I
got to know his children his sons and uh
you have a daughter you have only one
daughter
>> I have two daughters
>> I don't know the others I know Luna
>> Luna
>> Luna and my wife Connie are besties
they're like they're like amazing
>> but you know Giza Giza is the youngest
>> who's Luna mixing it up
>> Luna Luna is the older one and she's
married
>> that's the one I don't know Giza is the
one that's friends with Khani I mixed it
up. Yeah, Ga is the one that's friends
with Khani. They used to work together.
They're they're always on the phone.
Whenever I come home, they're on the
phone.
>> Takes away all my attention. Anyways,
>> by the way, I'm wearing Yassi's hat. I
have the real wine maker hat.
>> I told it.
>> It's a farmer's hat.
>> I told him where he didn't wear it. He
said he wants to look fancy. He's, you
know,
>> so you from your empire, how'd you get
into mass distribution? What would
happen in between?
>> So, what happened?
>> Was it all up from there? I was I was
building the brand for 10 years
basically
>> 81 to 91,
>> right? Meanwhile, as I was building this
brand, people were finding out about me.
The New York Times found, you know,
somehow found out who, you know, that I
was making wine here in Brooklyn. You
understand Brooklyn was a place that no
one was excited about.
>> Clappy, I remember the West End. What's
it say?
>> West End of Long Island.
>> Write a label. He stopped. I don't know
why
>> because if we put Brooklyn, it was like,
you know, he had no no stopped writing
it. You know, they'd run away.
>> Yeah, you're right. Everything is a
Brooklyn.
>> You stopped writing West End Long
Island.
>> No, it's there somewhere on the label.
>> People used to love like Chapoo, the
Westing made it sound Long Island was
now Brooklyn Long Island. So Brooklyn is
very trendy and cool today. Today those
days it was like, "Oh my gosh." And then
so whatever. So this guy's name is Frank
Pryal, Irishman, a really nice guy. And
he came, he said, you know, I would like
to do an interview next taste the wine.
So he comes I'm I'm in my comes to my my
mother comes to our house my mother she
made him a lunch
you know and it was like what you know
what do we know you know we were real
typical Jewish fa family that have never
been involved in in the limelight of
society in that sense and uh and he
enjoyed he's tasting everything he's
enjoyed it and then then he told me
something then that was also gave me a
lot of kay and saying continue says
people don't realize anyone can take
grapes and turn it into wine follow
instructions and make wine but there are
certain people who have a art in making
wine and their wine is just that tiny
difference and he says you have it in
you and when he said that to me he like
my ego flew through the roof
>> New York Times
>> yeah and he you know and he published it
and you know and he wrote it and it was
like oh my gosh
And I didn't believe even, you know,
that I'm going to get a front page New
York Times article.
>> Front page.
>> Yeah. 1986. 86.
>> Oh, the Metro edition or the National?
>> Oh, was the whatever the food I don't
know how it was. Food and wine. Huge.
Huge. I was born in '86. It was crazy. A
long time ago.
>> Good day to you.
>> And yeah. No, it was like really
amazing. And I think it made a lot of
made a big kish hashem and the reports
were coming because in those days there
was like no social media like you
nothing
>> all the papers
>> people so people sitting so I'm getting
a report and someone's calling me where
this guy I'm flying to Egypt and I'm
reading the New York Times. Who the hell
are you?
You know because and he got flack for it
also from a lot of the people who had
their noses up in the wine industry. Why
are you wasting your time with this guy?
>> This 20some year old kid.
>> But he he was such a sweet man. Such a a
straight honest man.
>> Did sales skyrocket?
>> It was Yeah, it was crazy. It was like I
didn't know, you know, how to go about
it because I'm not a businessman. So, I
literally didn't know where to go from
there. And uh and then CNN came.
>> Wow.
>> And they did a whole story on me.
>> Wow. So, you know, and it was the early
days of CNN when no one saw them as a
bad uh station and it was Yeah, it was
just quiet quite fascinating. I had I
had v a grape vine growing in the
backyard and they were fascinated about
the grape vine that was growing
>> in Brooklyn.
>> Yeah,
>> you could grow grapes in Brooklyn
>> for sure.
>> I if if I if I would ever have an
opportunity to grow grapes in Brooklyn,
I probably can grow one of the best
quality grapes in Brooklyn. We have a
microclimate in Brooklyn for grape
growing. You do it on a rooftop. All
these rooftops you don't
>> What happened? What happens in the
winter to the vine?
>> You need ground.
>> What happens to the vine in the winter
when it's 20 below zero here?
>> So this is a this year was a once in a
doesn't happen often. And if you grow
them properly, Brooklyn can survive.
>> Wow.
>> Grape vines can can survive at 20°. But
uh
>> in Canada they have these late harvest
frozen grapes or no
>> can Canada. Well, this year we're going
to see what's going to happen. This was
a harsh winter and it depend the the the
freezing temperatures lasted way too
long. So we'll see we'll find out. Our
biggest worry right now is comes June,
May when the bud the flowering of the
grapes comes out and then all of a
sudden we have a frost and though very
delicate and they get killed and then we
have and then it's a it's a big problem
and that's why we a farmer really dav
and knows that you know he's in his
hands saying
to him to him he knows he has no
control. Yeah, we're used to certain
trends we follow. we know this is going
to this happens these you know years for
going on this way years going on this
way but yeah the bottom line is you know
you know who ever thought a hurricane
will hit here
>> so did that become your full-time pastor
from 18 until today
>> full-time business
>> yeah so was very successful
>> we're going to take a we're going to
take a small a small break tok
>> to talk about our sponsors besides
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>> It's in my head it's every time.
>> Oh, really?
>> Now when you're sitting at the matzah,
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>> Yes. Clap. Which artwork do you prefer?
The new Hagada work artwork or the old
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>> This is very modern. This is not the
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>> Stop dodging the question.
>> I prefer the climbing Haga.
>> The artwork.
>> The art. This is more practical. The
other one has nicer pictures. You buy
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>> If if we can go through the Hagada by
just looking at the pictures, huh?
>> Yeah.
>> Moving on to our was our next
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We have chocolate.
>> It's not Pesak until you have chocolate.
For Perm, we were telling everybody to
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>> by the way.
>> It's the healthiest healthiest. Is that
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>> the 72% coco?
>> Okay, that's a little more.
>> You get along with the neighbor Yasi or
No.
>> Sure.
>> They look across the street.
>> Schmuring chocolate. You want to get the
kids to go in the car.
>> Eating the 85%.
>> If you want to get the kids in the car
to go to the trips, you just go to the
car and you start holding the bar of
chocolate and all the kids come running.
>> Schmuring chocolate is where it's
happening. Lot of flavors. How many
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>> I don't know. A lot.
>> It's It's high.
>> And I was just telling his
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>> Um, who told me I have to mention that
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>> You have a share with Robert Gerwitzki?
>> Since I'm 14.
>> Wow.
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>> Boom. But on that note, and I know I've
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No, he learns
>> he's very close to
>> and he just launched a new company
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>> Speaking of Brooklyn,
>> speaking of Brooklyn, when you go to the
Hagada, when you do the Hagada, you need
the Hagada. Hagada makes the legendary
um lady fingers. They make the seven
layer cakes. They now have individually
wrapped boxes of little packaged cookies
for kalamo trips to get the kids happy.
Candies.
>> How was the lux class?
>> The bubbies luxion I bought yesterday
and I you just take the lux instead of
sitting in the kitchen for eight hours
making luxion. You take the luxion, you
dump it into your hot soup. Within a
minute you have beautiful non- gibbrra
egg noodles. Hagada now doesn't want you
sitting in the kitchen the whole hour of
pes for two hours grinding mr. You buy
readym made myrrh the raanim every rub
in the world said it's kasha for mr.
>> It's dry so shelf stable.
>> Shelf stable mr.
Ooh. Can I smell it?
>> It looks like the real thing. It smells
like the wrong like the right thing.
>> The real thing.
>> Yeah. Yeah. The real thing.
>> Especially places where getting
horseradish raw in many cities if you're
not in a hamisher city
>> you can't get the stuff.
>> You can't get it. No one's selling you
horseseradish. Ready-made horseradish
right in little individually wrapped.
>> I want to have a horseeradish, right,
CL?
>> Yeah, it's not Araface. You could eat
the horseradish.
>> Oh, dama.
>> Is it bitter? I don't want you to start
crying on the show.
>> Not bad. Nothing too crazy.
>> Hagada chocolate bites. Get mini wrapped
cookies. Delicious. Delicious cookies.
We've been snacking them in the car for
the last few days. Where all fine kosher
groceries are sold. Look for the brand
Hagada. Made in Brooklyn on Bergen
Street. Yeah,
>> it's like 10sec drive from 770.
>> Mhm. He told me to 770 all the time.
>> Beautifully familyowned. They make all
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okay.
>> There we go.
>> It's got uh rabbit tidle bomb. It's of
course shahak of course.
>> Great for kids.
>> Ready-made chocolate bites.
>> If you're not a chocolatey person,
readymade strawberry bites. Delicious.
And then we got the readymade luxion. To
me, delicious egg noodle luxion. I had
it in my soup yesterday. It was
absolutely delicious. I personally stand
behind the hashka. I stand behind the
taste of the Hagada products. Once you
pop, you can't stop.
>> From YT food says that he knows Hagada
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You buy the readymade right out of the
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You spill it into your matzah and mr.
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>> You know what? You call you when you
call Wheels to lease, you say, "I want a
car in my driveway." 2, three hours
later, you hear a nice honk and your
shiny new car. Did I tell you the
pricing lately?
>> No.
>> You call wheels to lease. They're giving
people cars for 200 bucks a month.
>> Can you tell everyone?
>> It's like an over It's like
>> Is he personal?
>> Is it Is he will answer your phone at 4
in the morning and make sure your car is
delivered before it pays off.
>> Coffee.
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But you call wheels to lease. You ask to
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>> I just want to say I was excited to get
wheels to lease because until wheels to
lease, we looked like a very kabad only
podcast and suddenly got the ha wheels
to lease. They're a sponsor. You know,
we brought in
>> when you come into their office and you
see 20, 30 people, phones and cars and
honking and trucks are pulling up and
cars are leaving and it's a it's a
massive
>> Yasi Fineman from Five Towns Jewish News
told me he's like Moshi when I just
started my magazine, the first and only
sponsor I got was wheeliz
they're they're cutting edge
>> they're there to help you when you start
>> and the thing with when I just started
my drink I was all nervous tried to get
involved in the drink business. I came
to Yasi Zecon in his house on Montgomery
Street and he was welcoming,
encouraging. He was uh my one of my
first cheerleaders. So
>> that's the way that's the way we do it.
>> First cheer, by the way. Clappy first
cheerleaders, you never forget. When the
guys all come on board, you're
successful already blah blah blah.
They'll say, "Oh, blah blah." Bro, no
new friends. The guys in the beginning
who there to start who help you to
start, you never forget.
from Empire Boulevard from the Chinese
restaurant to being in the New York
Times to companies saying they want to
buy out everything you make in the
Chardonnay Italians. We're not even
talking about Hey Mishi and Friends, big
multi- conglomerates saying they want
you to sign the bottles and buy every
bottle. New York Times giving you front
cover exposure. How do you go from a
storefront on Empire Boulevard to
becoming a world recognized brand? What
was your next step?
>> Production. I needed to have a place to
produce and to really produce in any
quantities that it should make
economically sense required a very big
investment of uh money.
And people were throwing money at me,
but I being who I am, I said I'm not
going to take money from people, be
enslaved to people for something that
I'm going to have to do work. And I'm
not sure, you know, if that's the right
way to do it, but you so I resisted
and then um which happened was it was
probably 198
I don't remember which year
Mr. Herza called me and he told me you
know let's uh you know maybe I can you
his name was Rabbank Herzog Alba Shalom.
He was the wine maker then and he says,
you know, I like what you're doing and
he met me actually at the show and he
says, you know, maybe we could work
together.
So I said, "Okay." And they made him we
made we had a meeting and it was like
four brothers. Their father Yao was
still alive, but he wasn't there. and in
Williamsburg their their winery was then
in Williamsburg
and me the kid who knows very little
about wine about the business end of it
is there and they're telling me you know
it would be nice if we can do things
together and y'all will help you make
whatever you want and how you want and
you can continue doing it and you don't
and you don't have to worry about the
financial part of collecting the money
from the stores which is also not an
easy job
>> telling me Okay. So, I I said, "Okay."
And uh I was listening and uh then they
told me, you know, we'll draw up a
contract and let's tell us what you
think.
I I walk out of there, you know, okay, a
little bit dizzy because these are four
>> veterans in the industry.
>> Hungarians.
>> Yeah. In the industry. And they they
understand the dollar sign. I don't
>> artist. You're a true artist.
You're a true artist
>> and quit a contract and I don't know
where to turn
>> but then David Shalom. I don't know if
you knew him
>> from Connecticut.
>> Yeah.
>> The found like a big supporter of
Alterra
>> very support but he was a very close
friend of my grandfather Matlin the
cipher
>> and he also
>> he was also very you know he liked me a
lot. He always used to talk to me
whenever he had a chance. So I would I
asked him what should I do?
So, so he tells me
I know a guy, a lawyer that can look at
it and know what to do. Lawyer never
passed away already, but he was a young
guy, a young kid. Literally a young kid,
but what do I know?
>> Were you in a good cash position when
you met the Herzog or not so great?
>> I don't know what cash meant.
>> Okay. So, not good.
>> No, I mean saying yeah, for me it was,
you know, I didn't cash wasn't the there
wasn't the cash thing that was there. I
had my my my little sports car that I
needed, you know, so that was good. A
Datson 280ZX. I mean, that bought it
bought it for half price without wheels.
Put on wheels.
That's how I used to function, you know.
And uh
and then he told gave me this name and
then he this lawyer this which was mama
she said he was a young guy young was
younger than me
or maybe my age
>> in your late 20s. What age were you at
that time when Herzog approached you?
>> I was in my 20s. Yeah,
>> late 20s.
>> And he tells me, I know the right guy
for you, Madison Avenue lawyer. How am I
going to pay him? He's our lawyer. Don't
worry.
Go and meet with this Madison Avenue
lawyer. And literally, this is the
funniest. I mean, really, this guy's
buying and selling companies, not just a
lawyer. He's rich. He's he he's this is
his life. He looks at the contract as
very nice. I think they're giving you
way giving you everything that possibly
they you know they really really and he
just made a few changes there to make
sure that you know everything will be
work out well and he told me let's see
maybe if they'll accept it
and within a day they accepted it and
that was the the rest is history. 1988
>> and yeah the guy and the lawyer charged
me was like nothing. He didn't even it
was like he just charged me so I should
he shouldn't I shouldn't feel like I'm a
seducka case. So you know what it was
like $1,200 I think.
>> So you in 1988 you were basically bought
out by by the biggest comp.
>> I wasn't bought out. We did a
partnership. You're you're a
partnership.
>> I'm going to do whatever I have to do.
>> Right. We I wasn't married yet and we
made then and then he was so it was such
a good uh relationship I had that I I
crave for it every day almost. We took
then three grapes, a seal blanc, which
was a French hybrid, a Reisling, which
is a venifra,
and a Chardonnay, which is a venifra in
the Fingerlakes. And I showed him New
York
>> to blend. And we made a wine, a dry
wine, and it was my wedding wine, and it
sold out right away. And it was a
gorgeous label said Michelle on it. And
>> Michelle was Michelle was your wife.
>> Yeah.
>> Romantic. That was that was our wedding
wine and it was like such a good dry
wine. People didn't drink dry wine yet.
>> How old when you got married?
>> But we sold it. I was 30.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. And but you know there was Bashar.
>> What year you got married? 88.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow. Tismach year of happiness. Tismach
was I think I got married. Oh
>> I don't remember.
>> So you do production and they do all the
sales and marketing. So they Yes. So I'm
busy making the wines and making sure
wines come out a certain way and I'm you
know and I have to always and we you
know and they they decide basically
if if let's say a customer doesn't pay
I'm not going to sell them. If a
customer pays I will go there and I will
talk to them. Like one of the most
beautiful things we were in Florida
right after Pur Michelle and we we went
just to the stores. We didn't go to sell
them. They were good customers. the guy
the the the distributor told us these
are people that are love your product
and they're going to stand behind you.
All we did is we walked in me and
Michelle and said thank you and they
loved it.
>> We were talking about that yesterday
have to thank their customers. What
store was this?
>> All the stores in Florida
>> that you visited.
>> Yeah.
>> So you're involved in not really in
sales and marketing a little not so
much.
>> Right. My my main thing is production,
but when they see the person who's
making the wine and he's not the guy
who's harassing them to buy another case
of wine or to pay, they love it. So for
me, that was worth it. Before I got into
the food business, for me going to
Kosher Fest, meeting the founders of all
these brands I grew up with was like it
was like crazy. I walk in each they give
me golden fluff pop. Oh my gosh, you're
the guy. I go to the next guy, you're
the I was like I was in a different
planet. All these brands are coming
alive. And my sister, I just brought
her, she's she has a WhatsApp group to
sell kids clothing. I brought her to her
first children's clothing show in
Manhattan. She's like going crazy like
you're the person you really you're the
one that makes these sweaters. You're
she was so the same thing is to have a
founder meeting the founder. Now today
in 2026 with social media I would say
all the successful brands are brand
driven. You know the founder the
founders talking I I interviewed the
founder of Poppy soda that sold for I
think four billion to Pepsi and she said
I said I interviewed I said hey give
some tips for any new founders said make
sure you're talking to your audience
every single day in social media. I tell
Clappy all day long I hit him over the
head. I said Clappy we need to make a
video. We would leave the gym let's make
it. So it became like a seder, right?
Leave the gym.
>> I'm telling you, you you you this you
what you're saying is very important for
a lot of businesses and you can do it
with with AI is so much simpler and you
you might have a niche to to to offer.
>> I was today I want to I don't want to
say the name. One of our newer sponsors,
I was fighting with her. I said, "Bro,
if you're going to advertise on our
show, you have to say your name. If you
don't have your name, who are you?
You're some random company of nowhere."
And I fought and fought and fought and
fought. I said, "I'm I told him on the
phone, I he's offering us money." I
said, "I'm not putting you on our show
as a sponsor if we don't mention your
name."
>> Basically, we'll we'll turn down
corporate sponsors. We'll turn them away
if they don't let us brand it properly
because we have to believe in a company
that we promote.
>> And I I told him selfishly, if I don't
mention your name on the show, no one's
going to buy from you. If no one buys
you, you're not going to advertise with
us. So, we selfishly want to make sure
we know your ad's going to do well cuz
people want to know who's the person.
Who's the person behind? That's why it
was so cool.
>> How many people came over to you in the
street motion the last four days and say
they want to buy a hat from the guy we
had on last week. They said we finally
put a name in a face.
>> Exactly.
>> People want to know what they're getting
into, who's standing behind their
product.
>> The story, the trust. People make fun
that people spend what, $30,000 on a
Hermes bag, but you're spending you're
buying into their marketing, their ads,
their billboards. the emotional feeling
they give you. When I drink Yasi Zecon's
wine, it's not just wine. I think about
all the times he helped me with my own
brand. I met him. I know his obsession,
his artistry towards a brand. So, I
would say for all brand founders, old,
new, old, make sure you're on social
media talking to their audience. At
least if you're so horribly shy from the
camera, at least visit your store
owners. Show up. Show up. introduce
yourself because people want to know
who's a person, who am I talking to, who
am I trusting.
>> The part that I love the most is that I
know I know Abby for many years. I
didn't know that he grew up thinking
that all the wine tasted terrible and
that he wants to change it. Making wine
in his mother's basement, calling the
health department asking them how he
could get a permit. So when I when he
when he was doing it then, now he has 50
more years of experience. So now the
stuff's only going to start tasting
better and better.
>> Look at him. He doesn't like dry wine.
Look. Look at him. Ah, I got to get a
few.
>> Yi, you got married at 30. Totally off.
What do you tell people? I mean, your
age, in your era, getting married at 30,
you probably the looked at the most
cuckoost guy on the planet. In my your
day, I got married at 28.
What was it like about getting married
at 30? What was that journey like?
>> Oh, I'm not going there.
>> I had a fun life.
>> You had a fun life. Okay.
>> You have to understand I was a
celebrity.
>> Oh, during that school? Yeah. Oh, okay.
So, it was kind of crazy. I mean, I had
Joe. I was my my cousin Brana Schaefer.
I don't know if you know her.
>> My neighbor. My parents.
>> Yeah. You should have her on.
>> Oh, I'd love to have her on. She has an
open invitation to come on the show.
She's a legend. She gives Kawa classes.
She'll buy his classes.
>> I was very close with her.
>> She's your cousin.
>> Yeah.
>> How?
>> Her mother and my father, brother and
sister.
>> Her mother's maid name is Zach.
>> I didn't even know this.
>> Zeon or Zach?
>> Zakon is the real name.
>> I know. Mikoslavin is what? It's her
brother. It's her brother. her younger
brother, she's the oldest,
>> right? So her husband, Gadalia Schaefer,
he was my Google growing up. Anything I
didn't understand, I I used to talk to
him and speak to him and he was such a
sadic. I mean to me he still
an unbelievable sadic and uh and we had
a I used to have a share with him
actually and I used to love it and and
he was the one who you know yeah you're
crazy to make one and I love it too.
It was, you know, very interesting, you
know, a very sincere, beautiful man. So,
I'm Brana, for example, I owe her a
coffee breakfast. I keep on pushing it
off. She was telling us to come and
that's my fault. But, uh, so she took me
once to off Broadway show with Joe Pap.
You don't even know who these people.
>> I know who Joe Pap is. He had the
humanitarian fune. He was a big
humanitarian.
>> Let me tell you where.
>> Are you on the board? Are you the board
of
>> Let me tell you where it is. Yes. Are
you on the board?
>> I have no idea. I was maybe I don't
know.
>> So,
uh, so what board you're on, but you're
off your
>> So, I'm sitting all the way I'm sitting
all the way in the back because what do
I I'm going to go sit. What is it? What
I'm going here? But she went me and she
and I'm going for the first time in my
life. I'm looking what this is all
about. And there's this guy Kevin Klene
who just started out in the industry and
he was his mentor. And he and he sits
down next to me, Joe Pap. and he's and
he's like analyzing how Kevin Klein is
performing and then he starts telling me
uh do you know Rabbi Krinsky
he passed away I think Joe Papsky it's a
lang I said sure I know Rabudel because
Rab Udel I told him yeah I won a medal
of my wine and Udel brought it to the
rebu
and this was like Reb just came back
from the aisle and the reb was holding
it and he said this should you know be
publicized
>> said that you're getting a medal for
wine should be publicized
>> oh clap we have to go down the river we
didn't discuss
>> no I don't want I don't usually go down
I'm bringing this up from
>> so was very proud of this
>> I'm just telling you what happened
meanwhile he's telling me
>> that I should give regards to yudel and
he starts talking to me in yiddish
because he's from William he knew yish
and we made a connection then with braa
and And that's how he came to was also
involved with civashem and that's how he
got we got him to come to civ hashem to
start humanitarian with his wife who
wasn't Jewish you happened to
>> so this entire thing was a brun for matz
>> yeah and I was there
>> hold on did you sit next to him because
he knew you were it or was random
>> random very random random I told you I
don't I don't know how I ended up in
places
you used to use your wine
>> what
>> the rebang has had your wine or not
>> yeah not always and before there was
other wines
>> before was What?
>> Ganella slinger. I don't know.
>> Some syrup.
>> No, whatever it was. Then you know then
till
>> but then then they use your fing wine
until they Yeah. Then they started using
the wine.
>> And your wine is used by every year.
>> Yeah. Most 99% of the time
>> and I always you should have clapped. I
always think what type of deal did the
do with him? Did he donate it? Did he
sell it? What price? You should every
time I see I get all like I think about
product placements on every single
table. It's amazing. I'm always bragging
my head of asking what's the deal with
the but I never ask him. I still won't
ask him. It's not my business but it it
runs through my mind.
>> Ask men
>> because it's the only I think it's the
only branded item on the table because
the sodas and pictures and the only
brand you see is the Joseph Zeon wine
>> on different wines also from time to
time.
>> Yeah.
>> But you so nice talking about
persistence. As I remember was learning
director in Gil, New York and I believe
your son Yeti was a learning teacher. He
was the most persistent.
>> Oh, he just had a boy. Masle
>> last night.
>> He won He's one in Atlanta.
>> In LA.
>> He was the most persistent learning.
Make sure his class got every prize and
every this every this every He was so
persistent.
>> Perfection like wine perfection.
>> So persistency runs in the jeans. I'm
just saying on camera, off camera.
>> So then so here let me ask this question
from a business perspective. At what
point should you bring on a partner
distributor like you did? You did it 10
years in.
>> So again, you're asking me a question. I
didn't look it. It came to me
>> and that's why I am like an anomaly in
this whole industry in a sense.
>> Y did you always have when your 10 years
of celebrity stardom, did you always
have a ton of money or there are ups and
downs?
>> There's always ups and downs and I never
had it and I you know I was
>> you want somebody almost closed down.
Could you tell us more about that? Yeah.
Well,
>> we need some drama on the show. We can't
>> We can't all be roses here, Yasi. Sure.
It doesn't make a good show.
>> Sure. I'm telling you right in the
beginning.
>> When he told me his dramas on the phone,
how he almost closed out, he said,
"Okay, we need to book him." Until then,
it was a perfect. We said,
>> it was very simple. Tell me more. When
you sell out everything you make, but
there's not enough cash to build more,
you keep on going in circles, and that's
not good. That's where you thinking,
what am I wasting my time? That's really
the hard times.
>> Explain that. You sold that at profit.
So, what's the issue?
>> Right. But the the profit is not enough
to
>> to make more
>> to make a lot more to you know whatever
it is. It just becomes it's
>> when you're not a real businessman you
can end up in this cycle.
>> Success success could be an issue
because you need a lot more money to
become more successful.
>> Right.
>> So when did you almost close down? How
many years in?
>> No I mean it was a that was probably
five. I mean I didn't I never I didn't
>> You told me on the phone before we
booked that you almost closed down. What
year was that? What happened?
>> It started in ' 81. I'm not clappy and
that's 88. So your horses, right? So I
don't remember exactly when
>> what was the story and how you almost
closed down. We need some
>> I think one year I couldn't get my money
back from one of the stores and and
without the money where am I going to go
buy grapes? I said, "Okay, we're not
going to do anything this year." And
then somehow the money came. So I was
able to do it.
>> Were you ever at the verge of shutting
down, Yosi?
>> Yeah, for that reason.
>> Couldn't get How many years in?
>> It must have been five years in. And
then that one account did not give you
enough cash flow to stay open.
>> Yeah. Everything counted. Every penny
count.
>> How big was the bill?
>> It was a few thousand dollars. It
doesn't matter.
>> If you started over us, you tell a new a
guy wants to start making wine today.
How could how um first of all, how does
you find how would you tell them? Give
them three steps how to start their own
wine brand today. I see. Do they knock
on door? Store owner. Should they go to
distribution? Are there legalities?
Could you self-distribute in New York
state or New York to New York? You're
allowed you. Could you give us some
insight on that? Yay.
>> Okay. So, let me give you some preface.
I started making wine not to make wine
because the Goyam are making wine or
like the Goya make wine, but because I
wanted to have good wine to drink. I had
no idea what Goisha wine was. No, no, no
in the world that I have any idea what
it looked like.
>> You're filling a gap.
>> What it looked like?
>> He's eating mar. What's going
>> it's sweet?
>> No,
>> I think they sprinkled it with coconut
sugar.
>> No, that's a good hashture.
>> No, we don't need sugar. So, coconut.
Yeah. So, you didn't know. You just
wanted to make a good product. Okay.
>> That's all I was. 99% of the people in
the wine business that went into the
wine business, oh, you know, they're
they're here to compete with the goim or
make wine taste like the gyim.
>> I never tried that. I never went that
route. That was the funny part about it.
I just made wine because it said in the
book that's how you make wine.
So that's the first thing you should
know. Was it stupid? Was it crazy?
Absolutely. Would I want to do it again
the way I did it? No, I would not want
to do it again the way I did it.
>> So how would you advise a new burner to
start?
>> So I I and to be honest, the to to be in
this business to go into this business
is not a money maker. You're not going
to see any profits
>> for how long? A minimum of 10 years.
>> Wow.
>> A minimum of 10 years. And it's just not
a
>> trying to prevent people to get into any
way you cut it. What?
>> Are you just trying to prevent people to
compete with you? You're saying really
on the contrary, if someone wants to do
it and thinks he he knows how to do it
and he wants my reasoning and
explanation, let him call me.
>> You're available for mentorship.
>> I will. Yeah, whatever. I'll tell him
exactly.
>> He mentored me. He's not just
>> I have no I have no no problem. I mean,
I I love when pe when people making
wine. To me, I I love seeing people
making a good wine. For me, that's the
most fun, you know. Wow, you did
something amazing. You tried something
and it came out amazing. And I love
that.
>> And all your bottles to be proud of.
>> They're all under $20. What's You're
still you stuck to that budget thing,
right?
>> So, whatever. This is a
>> retail. What's your highest retail item
here?
>> I think the nature screaming. Oh,
there's the port. I don't know which
one. I didn't bring the port.
>> 20.
>> Yeah, about $20. $21.
>> Yi, what's the reason behind making that
grape juice? What was your just for to
get CHK?
>> Which grape juice? If I bring a grape
juice.
>> Yeah, that was for the community. It's
basically a community.
>> Is it the same as a kadm or different?
>> It's sometimes different, sometimes the
same. It depends, you know, who who has
grapes, they got to go, they got to move
out fast one way or another.
>> When people say kadm tastes different
every year. Is that true? The kadum
grape juice or your grape juice could
taste different every year. Is that true
or false?
>> Grape juice is literally a food that
spoils the moment it is pressed. Wine
you start preserving a little bit with
the alcohol as it ferments. So it has a
longer chance of of of of stand of of of
standing up. Grape juice is food. Food
food. The moment you start cooking, the
moment it hits the oven, it
>> So would it make sense that it changes
year to year?
>> Yeah, absolutely. Can they change it in
three months? It's a different taste.
>> So when people tell me because since my
original brand was grape juice and
celtzer, people say start giving all
their
feelings and opinions about grape juice.
The grape juice this year is different.
It's not different. The taste you saying
in grape juice varies just like wine.
>> Yeah. More than wine.
>> More than wine
>> for sure.
>> Because it's
>> because it's a food and the food the
minute it's made into put in the into
the bottle it's you know it's the the
oxygen starts you know changing it
>> or almost half the bottle's almost done.
CL
>> Jesse any of any of your children are
passionate about wine like you are?
Uh they're all passionate, but none of
them, everyone realized that it's not a
business to be in uh for many different
reasons. I'm not going to elaborate. But
one might one might be more than the
others. But meanwhile, he doesn't he's
not he's not getting he's not involved
yet.
>> Maybe a future son-in-law that has to
stay in the family.
>> Maybe whatever it's all in Hashem's
hands. I mean I mean you know I've done
I'm I'm I'm so happy that Hashem gave me
the opportunity to be able to do
something that I love and that I like
and that I can continue doing it. And I
do have to be grateful to the Herzuk
family for that because you know they
took a very big burden off my shoulders.
And now when it comes to selling
especially they know who are the guys
you can sell to who are the guys you
cancel. There certain guys if you bring
them the wine they'll they're not going
to pay you or you're going to wait and
if they'll pay you will be a year later
because another wine
>> but legally you have to pay the same day
right it's legally masled
>> no 100% it's days
>> who enforces it
>> the government who enforces it on people
>> no so it's it's a big problem it's a
very big problem
>> alcohol just so for people should know
there's a rule that it has to be three
layers right has to be a owner
distributor and a store owner correct A
wine maker, a winery can be the winery,
could be the distributor, and could be
the retailer
>> in state.
>> Yeah. In state,
>> out of state, there has to be
distributor.
>> State you needed. Yeah. Each state is
>> legally No, there are some states you
could sell directly to, but but most of
them
>> the kids are it's very a very regulated
industry.
>> Very regulated.
>> Why? For stupid reason, right? No good
reason
>> because every state wants to be a boss
>> on alcohol. We're learning we're
learning now with Trump trying to get
things done. every how every state is
showing we're somebody's till now we we
didn't realize that they were somebody's
now all of a sudden because of Trump
everyone is a Trump is a somebody a new
phenomenon
>> people ask world
>> people ask all the time why are you
getting into drinks why you do alcohol I
said I'm not good with rules and I'm
staying away from alcohol
>> so if I was good at rules I would
consider alcohol I'm so bad with rules
in theory
>> I would be arrested the first day I'm in
alcohol business
>> in theory 50 states so you have to deal
with 50 sets of regulations on
distributing. It's it's a lot of
paperwork. It's ridiculous.
>> But there's a lot of leniency leeway for
instate like states like New York. If
you're selling
>> if you're making the wine in the state
>> in New York and you sell in New York,
there's a lot of
>> a lot of the wines here from all over.
>> Yeah. You have certain importers who are
selling retail. That is also illegal if
you're an importer. But you know, it's
what it is, you know. But who cares?
>> Who cares?
>> Exactly.
So, all your bottles are under $20,
right? Yassi,
>> the Yeah, I I don't have expensive
wines. Maybe one day I'll move to some
in Lebanon. Maybe one day in Lebanon,
I'll be able to make some Yes. I asked
you the question before
>> because you know, my dream is to move to
Lebanon. Really?
>> Becca Valley because it says that the
wine for Mikdash came from Lebanon. The
cedars came from Lebanon and the wine
came from Lebanon.
>> And there's no wine coming from Lebanon
now today.
>> Not kosher.
>> 2026. It's dangerous. You got to rock. I
have a few I have I have a few contacts
there who grow grapes and
>> Oh, so why don't we do that cuz it's
>> No, hold on. Settle down. Could we say
we're launching next year? We'll have
it.
>> No, I'm saying to Has to say no. Can you
please read what it says on the label?
>> No, no, read it in English.
>> I you know, you just reminded me in
Clappy.
>> No, the the eminent. I was so proud that
for many many years before Yi Jacobson
reached the world the only message that
Reb guaranteed had that went out to the
world was Yasi Zecon's little veral you
would put on little wine bottles that
would reach everywhere like the you have
one about Fabangan right the power of
Fbrangan the only
if in a weird way the Reb's biggest to
the world was Yasi Zon's bottle of his
writing
>> hold one second it says on this year's
bottle it will certainly be the year of
our redemption. Amen to that.
>> That's the Google translation.
>> Literally the Google translation of
>> Do you have any interesting story with
wine and the Reb?
>> No, I don't. I don't use Reba cards.
>> You don't use Reb cards? I just because
I don't.
>> I'm just telling you what happened.
That's it. And
>> did Reb give you brahas for your wine
business?
>> Yeah, all the time.
>> Any specific?
>> No. Reb doesn't get involved in these
things.
>> When you came with a new wine, you asked
a braha. I mean, you did that type of
thing.
>> Yeah, for sure. every time.
>> Yeah. But you didn't The Rebel likes
when you did something on your own and
you showed him this is what I did and
and pray that you didn't do but you
don't get something you should have done
it that way or this. No, but here's my
here's my question. Guys like Avan Freed
and Machnik and many other artists, they
talk Rebbit stories like about this
wine, the Reb said this and this music
record, the Reb said this. Every time
they go on stage, they have a Reb story.
You don't try to Why don't Why don't you
push the Rebbit card? Why not?
>> It's good for branding. I don't I don't
I don't don't have any.
>> Imagine you say when I launched eminent
I wrote into and this and that and did
wrote back and now buy four bottles.
>> You know there was one year I made
>> cash in.
>> Hold on.
>> I'll tell you something interesting. One
year I made Pesak vodka.
>> Mhm.
>> And that year DV gave out for THAT
VODKA.
>> WHOA. OH,
>> and I didn't for some reason I don't
know. I never got I got I never got from
anyone this this bottle that Reb gave
out. He gave out to Rabbi Khadakov.
Could be my grandfather didn't get that
year already because he wasn't well.
>> Madlin.
>> Yeah. Because my grandfather used to get
my grandfather and I would have known. I
would have had it. But his grandson in
Connecticut.
What's his first name? Khadakov.
uh tells me that I saved from year to
year the Reb's mashka that was we didn't
have to sell it to go so we could have
it you know
>> ah the rebba gave
your mashka which was he didn't have to
get rid of it and he has it cuz usually
every year
>> you have that
>> he gave me a small bottle
>> so you now have to mix it in and you
could say it's vodka and charge $400 a
bottle and cash in once and for all
>> and then and then make some ink with
make some ink with it make a painting.
>> That's a tougher.
>> So you don't right now you do not vote
on Jakashka?
>> No. It was a very harsh business. It's
too much. People only like Smeirnov.
They don't care. It's you know that's
what they all today. It's grey goose. No
>> tequila. Tequila. Forget out.
>> Whatever. No, but I'm just saying only
gave out smirv. My grandfather used to
get always he was the cion that would
get
>> zeon is a European. Where what's your
background?
>> It's a Russian name. Ukrainian name.
Sakon. boys or which other brand were
you? No, my father my my father was from
>> square
>> during the war they he went to lab and
tashkent and they were very wealthy then
actually and
>> no they lost everything coming out
>> they he regained it got back the money
>> my my father
was on a flying on an airplane from
Moscow to Tashkant when he was 14 years
old I didn't go on an airplane till I
was 18 okay how old you first went on a
plane.
>> Eight. Went to visit my sister in
California.
>> 12. My uncle's wedding in Florida. I
still remember it.
>> An 8-year-old and a six-year-old. My
parents put us on a plane by ourselves.
>> So,
>> we went to California. They told the
stewardist to keep an eye on. Nobody
looks at us.
>> No, but I'm going, you know, and my
grandfather supported the whole Yeshiva
Tashken then with gold. Bullion,
whatever.
>> Bullion. They bought it from the oasis.
Of course,
>> no one could understand. He he ran away
from his house. He told my grandmother
to make sure that they have a minion in
the house. My father should know how to
dab him and he was in the also be went
to yeshiva there and then when they left
they they got visas in 1946 to leave
and on the way out they had a train
robbery and everything was stole from
them literally
except for one thing that my
grandfather's father my
great-grandfather
was a silver becker that he made from
silver coins. He would go, you know, in
those days the sadik would give you a
silver coin for sodaka
>> it's going also the rebal is not the
first time the reb g
it's a minute from
>> and he saved he collected all those
silver coins and made himself a silver
becker
>> and we used it for pes and that was the
only silver becker only thing that was
allowed to be brought into the fried
reb's house on pes because by the freed
was very strict p no one could bring
anything in from the outside and only he
was very close to the freed
then when they came to America so he
asks the freed
should my father come back to so he
tells him no leave him in lab he's in
good hands
>> in he said it to him you know
>> was the original word
>> lo him in labavich is in gutahent
>> leave him in lab he's in good hands
>> and then and then my father married my
mother Matlin who's from G of the Sedic.
So
>> you're G. You're totally G,
>> right?
>> You obviously last. What's the worst
part of of being in your business and
the best part? First of all, it's the
worst part.
>> The hardest or the worst?
>> When I when I'm when someone is not
happy with what I make.
>> That's the hardest part.
>> That never happens.
We're all people and you I make mistakes
and some people have different tastes,
>> you know,
>> talking about taste
>> and the be and the best part is when I
see people like someone who says I never
drank dry wine in my life just just down
this bottle because it is a very good
bottle and that's why I'm sold it's sold
out.
>> We have to negotiate. I would love to
have off the record tell have you Zon's
wine we'll drink it throughout the the
podcast because it's much better when
you have wine greasing the wheels. such
a nice
>> wants to speak to the yeah the marketing
executive
>> my first CPG mentor Yasi Z have his wine
and table we'll have to negotiate with
Gabriel Geller and Monty Herzog to make
some time
>> I'm sure they're interested
>> don't don't worry we'll take care of it
>> no it's
>> oh that was the that was the good and
the that's the good and the bad
>> the good and the bad was the complaints
>> and the best is the compliments
>> I remember I remember when people send
me pictures I'm drinking your drink I'm
drinking drink here drinking J here but
I'm just jealous to find to end
Product placement is so important when
you have a a beverage brand or any
brand. And YC Jon has the best
>> product placement. You go to Empire
Kosher, he always has his boxes exactly
smashed right in the front. He's saying
it's there by mistake. Just trust me.
It's not there by mistake. Trust me what
it's attracts the customer. Do you know
where my You know where Fibbran grape
juice is? I just got a an email in
Oregon, Portland, Oregon. They're
selling fra juice. in San Jose,
California to send selling fiber and
grape juice, you know. And you know who
did who did it? A lab guy. His name is
Yakov Yarmov.
>> Oh, Albertson's.
>> Yeah, he's unbelievable.
>> He's unbelievable to Yakov Yarmov who
>> just a a random weird story. Yakov
Yarmov who's a kosher and ethnic minor
for Albertson's nationally.
>> My my sister lives in Albany for a you
know many years for Schlot and Shus and
there had this shaw. There's a shaw
there called the rabbi rabbi Ruben but
the sh is not kabad and like and they
make sure it's not kabad. It's like you
know these people like
>> okay
>> and the only thing in the whole sh that
was the kabad calendar.
So I ask a guy so anti-abadan
why is the kabad what's called the lash
yeah
>> how what's the deal he's like oh you
don't understand this guy used to work
for price chopper his name was Jakob
yarmov he moved on to Chicago and
Albertson's whatever Jelasco he made
sure this luash was in and forever I
don't know if it still is there this
non-hating whatever hating this wereabad
steel in New
always had
grand placement even for the
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, unbelievable.
>> Yakam is the best. He's a big
>> He helped get my drink into Albertson in
Julasco in Chicago. A real mench ofid.
>> Um,
>> there we go.
>> Originally from Cincinnati where my
in-laws are spent time and my in-laws
parents, Dr. Hayes. Anyway, all
Cincinnati rabbit. Anyways, when you're
going to go shopping for Pesak, make
sure you go to fine kosher wine stores
and buy out the Zon Kesser
>> Fabang all it's selling out so fast.
Whatever they have still have from
Kesser wine. You know it's going to be a
quality product at a good price. Again,
thank you so much to Basel Zhan for
coming on the show and we wish you a
Kasher and Fes and Aut. Thank you very
much for having me. And I do want to
finish again and say that the acronym of
today of this year is produc
the Google translation is this year will
certainly be your redemption. We saw the
redemption of the hostages already
and we should be seeing the redemption
of Israel this year. We should be
in
this year.
>> Oh, come on. Clap. I just realized the
only Jewish branded food product that
has little verit on it in the entire
kosher world is Yasi Zikon's bottles.
>> I
>> not one. I just I was just thinking
about as he's saying his ver tell you
something. I realize there's not a
single oldest Hisha brands and this and
that. You would think they're so
spiritual and f and this and you know
blah blah blah. The only kosher brand in
the entire world that I could think of
that has inspirational little ver is
Yas. Tell me if I'm wrong. I'll tell you
something more. When I first started the
labels, making the labels, I was the
first person to write on a label and we
should be to drink the yammer
now's
wine and you know, we should be able to
to have that and and unfortunately when
the whole controversy came out about the
Reb being Msiah and who knows, but I had
legitimate people come up to me and tell
me you believe the Reb is Mashiach and
you know you can't you can't this can't
do this we're not going to touch your
wine we're not going to drink your wine
>> I said I don't know what you're talking
about this you know you want to drink it
drink it you don't want to drink it
don't drink it and I'm sorry that you
don't like the concept of mashia
>> that you talk about 10 times a day
>> I didn't say the is mashia I just said
we should be to the of
our new tea line will have some
inspirational lines it was always my
idea to have little inspir Some brands
still do like Celestial Seasoning always
had little inspirational lines. Not
>> Laffy Taffy had a joke.
>> They had a joke, but they had little
inspiration things and I or
interestingly that Celestial Seasoning
Tea was a sponsor of tea at the oil for
many years.
>> I think they still are.
>> Not anymore. They're not.
>> No, cuz the owner sold the company
Seagull.
>> Are you going to be having ver and zen?
>> Zen in Zen.
>> Zen is something with T's are like
>> Yes. So M with Clappy's my partner's
permission we're going to have a little
nice ver and continuing your inspiration
legacy that the food should have some
>> see clap someone told me this recently
that I have a complex since I grew up in
Flappers and it was so I had this
complex and people would hate on me that
I always have that which is probably
true. So when I would come to Flappers
and see these little ver msiah and on
wine bottles that were you know were
distributed throughout the world you
were loving it. It gave me a certain and
pride like hey you know you know we're
not just our own little planet but yon
would use his bottles of wine uses his
bottles of wine as a as a platform to
share the rabb's message. Love it.
>> You have to to be successful you have to
be able to show what you have a passion
for and what you believe in. That's
really the key.
>> Thank Thank you so much.
>> Thank you.